Doctor Who: Rogue Review (Ups & Downs)
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- Doctor Who goes full Bridgerton, and might just have shattered its own canon along the way. Here's Seán with our review of Rogue!
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I'm bummed "Why isn't it cloaked?" "It's behind a tree!" didn't get an up. It was my favorite line in the episode!
i demand a revision. its the best line a doctor / any doctor ever / could say in this situation.
@@angelosalvo1989 I can clearly picture in my head 9 saying it confusedly (because why would you even ask that question when it's clearly behind a tree), 10 saying it defensively (like he's being accused of doing it wrong), 11 saying it smugly with a smile (because he thinks it's a compliment that he didn't need to cloak it), 12 being annoyed (because his motives were put into question), and 13 being offended (because she thought it would have been enough to hide it)
Same!
Your not the only one getting bummed this season
@@shipyardtown8155 i see what you did there 😁😁😁😁
I thought Ruby being a second thought in the episode was deliberate. For the scene were the doctor realizes he let himself get distracted by Rogue and it cost him Ruby. It seemed to be part of the point.
thats ur thoughts, not everyone else's
@WhoShorts_ woah everyone is allowed their own interpretation
I really like this interpretation, thanks for sharing
They still could’ve made her subplot more interesting or gave her more to do
@@danthemeegs8751 with an hour yeah but making 2 separate perspectives equally interesting in a 45 minute story is near impossible. The writers did amazing with what they were given, I would never believe they were first time writers for doctor who. I really hope next season has hour long episodes and they return to show what they can do when given more time to flesh out the story.
Trope 101.
If you don't see a lead character die on screen, assume they lived.
And maybe even if you do.
Ngl I thought Ruby's death was going to have a lead-in to the finale. Like Hell Bent where the doctor tries to save Clara from death.
Rory for the 42563478th time
except admiral akbar
@@guy3854ideally they'd have tied it in to her mysterious secret.
i kept thinking rogue was going to press the button and turn into a villain so it was a great reveal for me with his self sacrifice
YES!, I thought the same thing
I thought he pushes the button and they then go after them in there ships to get Ruby back.
"You got a screwdriver, good I've been meaning to put a cabinet up over there."
"Who looks at a screwdriver and thinks, ‘Ooh, this could be a little more sonic’?"
"Why are you pointing your screwdrivers like that? What are you going to do, assemble a cabinet at them?"
Right? That was a great scene, too.
@@jonesnori
River: You've got a screwdriver, go build a cabinet
Eleven: That's really rude
RIver: Shut up and drive
@@EA_TheWatchman7 I SO heard that during the scene 😂😂
They're scientific instruments not water pistols!
The 10 Doctor having actually used a water pistol in the Pompeii episode
The screwdriver jokes never get old
When Rogue sacrificed himself it reminded me of when Jack Harkness told the Ninth Doctor " I wish I'd never met you Doctor I was much better off as a coward" The Doctor can bring out that quality of compassion and self-sacrifice in others.
I think the Doctor wasn't telling us that Ruby is his Best Friend so much as telling Rogue - the emphasis being that he's not attached in *that* way.
A thing can be 2 things
Yh he says ruby is his best friend to not mistake them as a couple or him having romantic interest which can be quite common especially in the gay scene ive found
Yes, because The Doctor has no firm sexuality, or any firm gender. Some of the sexuality in RTD's stuff feels forced, but in Doctor Who it feels natural.
Yeah, to me that felt like Rogue being like “Are you taken?” and the doctor being like “Nah, that’s just my bestie.”
And, to be fair, I’d argue that the very last scene showed us that Ruby and the Doctor are best friends.
Rogue referencing his "new employer" feels like something we'll be coming back to, I really hope he's back this series and we don't have to waiiiit
I *think* it ties in with similar warning from the Meep and Maestro: and will get resolved in the last two episodes …
They dropped a lot of extra stuff in captain jack's first adventure that they decided not to pick up on, like the Time Agency having erased a good chunk of his memories. This may be another example of that.
@@VinnieBartiluccior is that about to be picked up now? Is Rogue actually a pre-memory wiped, pre-bad-wolf Jack?
RTD likes to drop lots of 'will they go somewhere with this' elements, many of which are pure red herrings, in Rogue's case we have 'what is the ring', who is the employer, 'and who was/what happened to his previous companion'
How the hell did you miss the line about D&D and my fav moment. "How long do they live" "600 years", "Good, that's a long time to suffer". They deserved an up in my mind. A peak into 15 being brutal.
I agree. That long enough to suffer part gave me the chills. Demons run when a good man goes to war.
It gave me the family blood vibes.
I really disliked it, I was hoping that 15 might prove less callous… 💔
There's going to be two more videos on this episode in the next few days. They didn't miss them. They just had a limit on the number of ups and downs, and those didn't make the cut. For this video.
That whole scene was one great line after another. SO GOOD!
I didn't mind Ruby's subplot at all. I think Millie Gibson actually did a lot of the episode's heavy lifting by providing the comic relief to break up the moments of high drama. But even if we disagree on that, I suspect we agree that Gibson is absolutely nailing it this season!
I love how Rogue's ship looks like a bird of prey, hunting down the Chuldurs. It is also cloaked (nod to Captain Jack), disguised to blend in just like the Chuldur do.
Also the psychic paper having a flirtatious statement happened to Rose and Jack in that same episode.
So, do you imply Rogue and the Chuldurs arrived together in that ship? And that's why he switched places with Ruby, so they can leave together. It is odd that they are all time travelers and seem to come from the same era.
@@petraw9792 I don't think they arrived together. Only that the ship is symbolic for a bounty hunter, with a focus on hunter.
The weird thing is it's still sitting on the lawn, cloaked. Will the gardener run into it, or is the cloak an out of phase thing. Will Unit find it in the future, and put it in storage. Will it remain hidden into the far future where it supplies the technology required to build it?
@@snowgods2195 the Doctor sent it to orbit the moon.
I loved all the cheeky dialogue like “I thought you were a tall glass of water but your just half a pint of shandy. Excuse me Lord Stilton.” and the brooding babble from The Doctor when he meets Rogue. Does he in fact practice that brooding in a mirror? 😂
It was GREAT
I bet he could brood all night
Dialogue felt very Moffat!
"It's a very... difficult cheese"
come on now. lol
The minute I heard Kylie minogue I knew for a fact we were loosing rogue it felt like an Easter egg to prepare to lose someone who the doctor invites to travel with.
Wow! I didn't realise it. thank you!
U mean a foreshadowing or a prelude.
@@Twillek1019_ I said Easter egg in reference to the episode Kylie was on in which the doctor invited her to travel with him and she sacrificed herself to save the day
Good observation
@@Ricanromeo679 I've been using this exact episode as an example of The Doctor meeting someone, having chemistry and kissing them before they sacrifice themselves. It's a great way to cut through the homophobic reaction of "This is not MY Doctor!"
26:16 This really stood out to me. I feel like it's the Doctor almost falling back into his old habits, and Ruby saying "Don't do that. You don't have to. You're safe. I'm here. Just cry if you need." And it really works and I can connect with that feeling. At the end of last year and beginning of this one, I fell into a spiral of emotional repression and unacceptance. I'm recovering and reconnecting with my feelings a lot recently, but I do sometimes have to catch myself and tell myself "it's okay to feel". And the doctor having to do that with Ruby's support really resonated with me
Yes, me, too. That was important, I think, and says a lot for their friendship.
Good call -- and good journeys to you, too.
Love this and best of luck to you with your healing 🖤💜🖤💜
Best wishes with your progress.
You can do it! Just remember to ask for help when you need it.
Like Robin Williams in Good Will Hunting.
I like in the scene when Rogue and the Doctor almost kiss that they're interrupted by the TARDIS. It's a nice immediate callback to the Doctor just saying that she has a moral problem with bounty hunters. So *of course* she's going to interrupt an intimate moment with one.
So here’s a crazy theory. At the end Rouge tells the Doctor to come and find him. In other words, he’s WAITING for him. Both the Toymaker and the Maestro have spoken and warned about “The One Who Waits.” We know that Rogue has ended up in some kind of isolated dimension where anything can happen. What if he was transported outside of normal space/time and something happened to him that caused him to transform into “The One Who Waits” as in waiting for the Doctor.
I was also wondering with his one word name if he wasn't a timelord in disguise. They even pointed out how timelords only go by titles.
But as far as we know rogue isn't evil. And i'd say you only need to warn about someone with mighty powers and who's evil. I guess it's possible that he got corrupted in this dimension so that would explain the need for a warning though🤔
@christinakohl6111 what if they met him later? Or he's not evil, but self serving? There's some wiggle room I feel
I’ve got a life sized stand up of the Richard E Grant Doctor. I won it in a BBC Doctor Who website competition. People think it’s a vampire who happens to be holding a sonic screwdriver.
Man, that's great!
I can see that.
BEST COMMENT :D
Get a life weirdo
HE'S SO UNDERRATED! (Honestly, I prefer his Ninth Doctor to Eccleston's personally, but that's just me) ❤❤
I saw Ncuti Gatwa on Seth Meyers a couple of weeks ago and he talked a little about Jonathan. It seems like they were already friends, and when Jonathan was having his screentest with Ncuti, they went to a Beyonce concert together. Their friendship certainly helped them onscreen and I would definitely like more Rogue, please and thank you
Ncuti, to his agent: "Hey I'd like to play a character like Doctor Who or Willy Wonka."
RTD: "Por que no los dos?"
I thought it was a wonderful thing to add and Ncuti sang it so well
My thoughts exactly
In the German dub Ncuti's Voice actor also plays Timothée Chalamet (who played Wonka recently)
It added to the enjoyment of this moment to me
I know it'll be that Richard E.Grant is referencing the Shalka Doctor but it would be much funnier if this episode made the comic relief special "Curse of Fatal Death" canon instead and had Rowan Atkinson, Joanna Lumley, Jim Broadbent, Hugh Grant show up too
I agree!!
I only discovered that recently, so it was the first thing I thought of... I was like, "that can't be it, if so they did Rowan Atkinson dirty, lol"... I wonder if we'll see the shalka doctor in season two now though...
The chuldurs blinking left to right shows the vfx department really put a lot of effort in, they really didn't have to do that but it works so well at making them seem actually alien.
Pretty sure the Slitheen did that too.
When we look back, I think most folk will feel the season needs 3-4 more episodes like this. There needs to be simple episodes to establish tone and the relationships between Doctor and Companion, then the gut punch episodes can really cut loose.
Absolutely this! I've enjoyed all of the episodes individually, but the season as a whole feels so rushed. We needed at LEAST 2 more of this kind of episode. These are where the character development happens, and it feels like the importance of that has been forgotten a bit.
Maybe the reason why The Doctor is a Kylie Minogue fan is because she reminds him of Astrid Peth. 😅
The 10th doctor makes a Kylie Minogue reference in season 2's The Idiot's Lantern, so he was canonically a Kylie fan even before he met Astrid.
In the scene showing how Ruby got away from the Chuldur, there's a violin cover of Lady Gaga's Poker Face going on in the background. Once I noticed it I couldn't UN-notice it, it was so funny.
I’ve always liked Ruby, but that moment when she hugged The Doctor at the end of the episode is when I finally fell in love with her. Donna will always be my favorite companion, but Ruby is now a close second.
If they had taken out the line about being best friends, I think this would have been awesome as their first outing together. I wish this episode had been earlier in the season, it tells so much more about both the Doctor and Ruby than any other episode so far. I think I would feel much more connected to them moving forward had this episode been earlier
That's the moment that really sold their entire dynamic for me. I now believe they love each other but aren't in love with each other, and at the same time they're more open and honest with each other than any pairing in a long time. Really good stuff. At the same time I'm convinced this should have been the third episode.
What about rose
ayoooooo
ruby and the doctor are proving really good together i just wish we got more episodes with them as a pair, they have been separated a lot, which is just a shame cuz millie and ncuti have such potent best friend chemistry lmao, they're really great together
I got a River Song vibe in the Doctor when he saw the Ring; he flinched - I can imagine him having a memory of River when he saw that...
Nice to see Ncuti getting to sing pure imagination after saying he wanted to play Willy Wonka and Doctor Who. Always a similar feel of the doctor showing the tardis too wonka showing the chocolate factory.
Everytime I watch Willy Wonka I keep picturing him as a time lord! It's the only thing that makes sense!!!
Yes! Having just heard that about Wonka / Doctor Who I broke into such a grin when he started singing it 🙂
John Pertwee was originally cast to be Willy Wonka, but was to busy with Doctor Who to film the movie. I've always considered the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka as The Doctor 3.5.
Chocolate factory meaning bum
@@Zathena and Gene Wilder would have made an interesting Doctor.
Did anyone else catch on to Rogue saying he has more paperwork to fill out because of a new Boss?
Yeah. Which boss, I wonder. I expect we'll find out!
Maybe were finally going to get to see the time agency
UNIT?
Is it the same boss the Meep mentions?
Oh, yeah the boss might be Susan Twist.
Sean, I think you've missed the point of the lack of Ruby's screentime/plot. The Doctor is focusing on his romantic wants. The Doctor had taken his focus away from Ruby which resulted in him not realizing he trapped the wrong Ruby, AND ultimately costing him his love interest.
I truly think Ruby's plot time was intentionally minimized for the purposes of developing the Doctor's plot and motivation
I really hope that I’m not the only one who thinks it was an intentional Easter egg for an episode with birds cosplaying as humans, also featured the doctor, apparently cosplaying as Cat from Red Dwarf.
He is! Lmao
Omg that's so true!!!
Susan Twist is such a Bad Wolf call back. You think back to how Bad wolf was everywhere - I wonder if something psychic is happening there too.
Except "bad wolf" was very subtle. Here it's more like : SEE IT'S THE SAME WOMAN SEEEEEEE !!!!!
@@FloBEAUGit started subtle. Then the doctor noticed the words were following them before the finale, when he realized that power plant was named Bad Wolf.
To add on to this: Rogue got dropped into another dimension. Interdimensional travel is now in play. Previously, interdimensional travel was extremely difficult - the Daleks just barely managing to make it into the void between universes to hide from the time war. It took all of Division and the knowledge of Time Lords to punch a hole through to another universe to escape the Flux. Now there are casual interdimensional traps and... humans can make them?
Since you brought up Bad Wolf... and how a certain someone is currently trapped in another dimension.
@@FloBEAUG This is literally RTD's only trick for foreshadowing. Repeat something over and over.
Series 1: Bad Wolf
Series 2: Torchwood
Series 3: Vote Saxon
Series 4: The Medusa Cascade
Specials (2008-2010): Knock Four Times
Season 1: Susan Twist appearances.
But heck, it's not just RTD. Moffatt was up next, and he repeats things hoping you'll wonder what they mean all the same.
Series 5: Crack In The Wall
Series 6: Silence Will Fall
Series 7: The Impossible Girl
Series 8: Missy
Series 9: Hybrid
Series 10: What's in the vault?
Chibnall too! Except he was a little lazier - he only came up with one every two series.
Series 11/12: The Timeless Child
Series 13/Fired: Division
Congratulations, now you know the formula for spotting the ending ahead of time, and how to plan a series like a real Doctor Who showrunner.
I like that "Vote Saxon" was also all the way back in Series 1 also
Kate Herron _wasn't_ the showrunner of the first season of "Loki", she was the sole director of every episode. Michael Waldron (who then went on to write "Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness") was the creator of the show, as well as showrunner for season 1. He deferred duties to another writer for season 2. I just wanted to correct you on that. That said, she and her co-writer did an excellent job with this episode, and I hope that she does more in the future!
Glorious purpose
Somehow I don't think Rogue is the type to sit and wait to be rescued. There will be stories to tell and complications to explain the next time these two run into each other, and flirting.
Wherever he and rhe Chulder got sent, running will definitely be involved.
He's probably already dead. He's surrounded by 5 of them and he has no weapon.
some river song type long-term storyline maybe??
I also smell a big finish series in the futur 😂
He didn't ask to be 'rescued', he asked to be 'found'! 😍😍
Thank you for revealing that was Richard E. Grant. I couldn't quite tell whose face it was but knew it was not any Doctor we've seen on screen (in live action) before.
This episode felt like the best insight into 15’s personality and Ncuti was fantastic, but I think having had two Doctor light episodes before this feels like we haven’t seen enough of Ruby’s relationship with the Doctor.
Yeah thats my only gripe with this series so far... where the hell is the development in their relationship? Why are they suddenly best friends during the christmas episode?? Anyway I have really enjoyed almost everything else
He's such a cry baby.
Yeah a lot of that has real second season Doctor and companion energy when it should be first season bonding.
@HelloThere-jd8vd It's never stopped him doing what needs to be done though... he takes a beat to feel the emotions, then springs into action, I honestly see that as a really healthy way to deal with things.
Happy that the Fugitive Doctor was included!
I mistook the 12th Doctor for Peter Cushing - well it was a Peter...🤭They showed the faces "at random", because the numbering of the 'Doctors is done by UNIT and they never cataloged the Master - so noone knows in which order he regenerated in his different bodies/faces😅
I thought of something during the scene on Rogue's ship with Can't get you out of my head, considering it's a Kylie Minogue song, we now know for a fact that on the day Astrid and The Doctor met Wilf in Voyage of the Damned, there were at that point two people on Earth who looked exactly like Kylie Minogue, one of course actually being Kylie Minogue
Damn how could the doctor miss that!😂 Kylie is now the new 'impossible girl' Clara😂😂
So...is this Kylie Minogue second appearance in Doctor Who.😂
The Chuldurs were just the Slitheen without the farting.
They could of used the Slitheen for this! The story would still work. I miss those big green costumes 💚
I don't agree that Ruby was sidelined. In fact, I thought that she finally showed some real agency as a companion in this episode (she also did in 73 yards and Boom, but there she didn't really have a choice but to be separated from the Doctor; I liked that in this case, they just decided to split and she actually chose to do her own thing). She had fun, and made some very clever choices, saving herself while the Doctor was busy elsewhere.
However, I do sadly agree about the best friend comment. While I adore Ncuti's and Millie's dynamic and chemistry, we just didn't get to see enough of it this season. I loved 15&Ruby's scene at the end of the episode, but generally speaking, we def didn't get enough of them together yet to make it believable that the Doctor considers her his best friend.. I blame the weird choice to take a 6 months time jump in episode 2 for that, though. So I wouldn't really down it on this particular episode.
I love how much you enjoyed the Doctor and Rogue, and I completely agree with you on that. Their dance was indeed very sexy and beautifully shot, but honestly I mainly loved it for the way they used the homophobic era in their favour, and the Doctor's reaction to the proposal was very intriguing as well. Basically, every moment we got with them was fantastic, and I really hope they manage to bring Rogue back in S02 :)
But she didn't even save herself she had a Deus Ex Machina in the Battle Mode which took away her agency I think
@@IAmABoss2 She had to think of using it though, and then come up with the idea of cosplaying to blend in until the Doctor could come to her aid. She basically went undercover, which was really brave. I thought it was a pretty clever plan on her part.
@@micron000 I agree
Best episode this series Jonathan Groff had better be coming back. the chemistry between the Doctor and Rogue was electric and that kiss was 🔥
For me the Doctor and Rogue was very much the same energy as Captain Jack meeting the real Captain Jack.
Yes. I was almost hoping that Jonathan Groff would be playing a somewhat younger version of Jack Harkness.
Utter rubbish, away watch those fantastic Tennent Dr episodes again
YES !!!!
😂 fool
England is loosing their culture and history.
"I'm 903 years old ... and you're basically just a rabbit, aren't you?"
😂😂. Oh it was the horse
I’d honestly be happy for rogue being an upcoming companion. It really worked.
Groffsauce is busy af on Broadway, not sure if it would work, scheduling would be mad
@@MsKathleenb You got that right! And he's soooooo good at it! It's a shame we'll never be able to get him as a regular tho.
@@MsKathleenb Merrily closes on July 7... so... unless he has another show lined up, his schedule is opening up greatly next month....
I think he would be better as a "River Song" regular than as a companion. He needs to show up a few times per season, play some important role, add some "will they won't they" energy, and the be off again.
I feel like he is going to be like a Captain Jack/River Song type companion. Like shows up joins The Doctor and companion for a few adventures, then takes off for awhile.
The comment about the doctor being more joy-filled is slightly wrong IMO - he is more emotion-filled, but rather than putting a lid on his emotions, he let's himself feel them, expresses them momentarily, works through it, and comes out the other side ready to focus on continuing to live for those he lost. I believe that's why he is crying more on screen than other doctors. He doesn't bottle the feeling, he feels and feels. It's a much healthier doctor because of it, and i see that as a direct benefit of "shedding" all of the pent-up/ bottled emotions during the bi-generation.
I love this take! And agree, Ever since Nchuti Gatwa's first scene I was so happy because it felt like this was an incarnation of the Doctor we need right now, showing us that it's possible to live and experience all the ups and downs (downs=extreme trauma) of life in a healthy way. I'm probably putting too much pressure on this version of the doctor though 😅
Also agree. This is a very open, expressive Doctor. Love his portrayal so far.
He. Better. Find. Him.
Rogue was sent to a "barren universe", so death by starvation and thirst is guaranteed within like a week at most. Same goes for the bird people, so those 600 year lifespans won't matter after a few days with no food and water. The Doctor basically pulled another 'Arachnids in the UK' by doing a "non-lethal" alternative that is actually very much still lethal only way more painful and cruel than a quick execution would be.
You don't know how often the bird people, or Rogue can live without food or water. We don't even know what race Rogue is... I think it was more a family of blood punishment than arachnids in the UK as well. Why do you want Rogue dead?
@@HOTD108_The bird people would probably kill him before the starvation lol
@@HOTD108_ There's literally 0 evidence of what type of dimension he was sent to. There's also an unending amount of ways to bring him back. Ofc he'll be back, he's set up to be a new cap Jack-esque figure
My heart says there's a tracking beacon in the ring and stuff is all timey wimey in the dimension they're trapped in so they don't need sustenance. Reunion next season
The sonic would likely be rubbish putting a shelf up especially if it’s a wooden shelf lol
Or, as the War Doctor said in the 50th: "what are you going to do? Assemble a cabinet at them?"
You don't use wooden screws to put up a wooden shelf my friend.
@@chrisblake4198 Blimey! "my friend" is seriously passive-aggressive. Please go away, buddy.
Maybe it's a Swiss Army Sonic.
1. Screwdrivers are for screws. Screws aren't wooden, even if the thing being assembled is otherwise wood.
2. Ignoring actual screws, Rogue would surely make an entirely metallic shelf anyway, to match the rest of the ship.
3. Refer back to 1 because your understanding of how a SCREWdriver works is troubling and I'm worried for you.
Completely agree about the Doctor/Ruby relationship. Like with 10 and Donna, he didn't need to say it, we just knew. Here I was like, oh I guess we have to imagine all the bonding they've done lol
Yeah, I love Ruby and 15, but the 'best friends' bit really felt unearned to me.
For me the rogue story remind me of miss pompadour : the doctor find his soulmate and lost it forever
I normally don't comment on videos, but I discovered the channel before the 60th anniversary special and subscribed.
I only discovered DW in 2012 (I'm Brazilian and the series always aired on pay channels that I didn't have access to) and I fell in love. DW is the only series that I still follow, that I have a tattoo, that is part of my personality and... this episode just gave me a hug.
This episode was exactly what I missed in DW and my god I wanted to hug the writers of this episode and thank them for giving me what for me (so far) is my favorite episode.
I hope Rogue comes back - and as much as River will forever be the Doctor's wife, I think she would approve of Rogue being the Doctor's husband.
I thought that Rogue will tell us that his "Companion" WAS Jack Harkness :D FANTASTIC episode in my books :)
Addition: Does this episode mean, that there are two persons in the Whoniverse who looks EXACTLY like Kylie Minogue (Kylie Minogue and Astrid Peth) :D
My thoughts exactly. Whoever Rogue’s companion was, I suspect we will get to meet them/save them in a future episode, eventually reuniting them with Rogue.
I was so waiting for that!
I was wishing for the same thing if they can't have lovely John back it would be nice to have his PARTNER.
The problem with the series so far, which is again on display here, is the amount of time Ruby and the Doctor have had together on screen. Yes, there seems to have been a small time jump so 'we' missed some of the thigs they have done together. But, show, don't tell. In an 8 episode season, they essentially were not together for an episode, were together, but not the focus in another for most of it's length, and Ruby was KO'ed and at death's door for a chunk of another. Which makes alll of the panic and distress when one sees the other in danger, the degree of loyalty and the 'best friend' stuff, just feel unearned. And yet they could have totaly played into the hand they were delt by having them have a more slowly burning relationship path. Showing the growing trust and connection, rather than just yelling at us that has happened, off screen really, when we weren't looking. We know the Doctor is brilliant, not cos we are told it, but because he shows us he is. Ruby has shown that she is brave and read the room quickly, because she ahs done things that demonstrate that. So why tell us they are best buds, but not show it happen? It's a sad diservice to two very capable actors, and just poor writing/planning. Ruby will forever now be the autopilot companion. She learned to trust the Doctor and feel for him off screen, and the show has been doubling down on that from episode one of this series. It makes her Rose-lite, which is horrible for Millie. I like both her and the character, but she got kneecapped from the get go and I don't see how they can/or would, recover from their mistake.
The Doctor falls in love with Han Solo is my oneliner for this episode.
Imagine episode where the Doctor meets Rogue again and things get bit romantic and then River Song suddenly appears from nowhere and everyone is like "what" 😂.
"Threesome, sweetie!"
It probably wouldn’t bother her much: how many husbands did she have?
She would just say, "The mind boggles!" ✌
I think River would be totally fine with it.
this episode gave me strong series 2 (2006) vibes (...the good parts of series 2, at least)
If this was in Series 2 it would be one of the better Episodes.
this is better than most of series 2
It feels like "The Empty Doctor Dances" crossed with "Family of Human Bloody Nature" - as it were!
@@WittyMick03that’s a lie.
@seoulgt86 Nah, their is 3 maybe 4 stories better then Rouge in Series 2
I thought it was interesting that Jo Martin’s Fugitive Doctor was also included in the ring of faces. And the D&D rogue line was pretty fun. Plus hiding the Tardis behind a tree as a form of cloaking. This was just a fun episode for me. Although right now it feels to me like we have a lot of separate stories and not quite enough linking between them.
Jo Martin is a GREAT doctor who deservers their own show!
@@andywellsglobaldomination agreed! I was happy to see her included
I thought it hung together quite well. Undemanding, I guess.
Didnt realize how starved i was for a classic dw episode monster of the week
OMG SAME
Yep... 8 episodes just isn't enough, we needed a few more of these kinds of stories.
I got a Human Nature/The Family of Blood vibe. Menacing aliens who are not who they appear to be. The Doctor getting a love interest that's doomed to end in heartbreak. The aliens being banished at the end. Both great stories.
Yeah, I got very similar vibes, *especially* at that moment when the Doctor realised Ruby has been got, and the anger when he turned to go get the Chuldurs. Just paraphrasing, but "How long do Chuldurs live?" "600 years." "Good, a long time to suffer." Absolutely gave me the same vibes at the end of Family of Blood, even if it didn't quite pay off the same.
Same, especially the cold open
@brookdevonshire319 I also liken it to 12s "it's a small universe " speech
The family had only 3 months of life, so they were huntig for the doctor to get more time for themselves: the Doctor put them into places where they could not die.
I absolutely agree with the point about how the shortened series length (it will be over before June ends! That stinks!) contributes to not really believing it when we are told that Ruby is his best friend. It's a sweet line, but it just doesn't hit for me because I don't feel it. It's such a shame that Disney couldn't use their piles of money to produce five more episodes and give us the 13-episode run we're all used to. I think that would give everything more time to breathe and grow.
The line about Rogue giving the TARDIS indigestion because of his moral ambiguity was interesting. Is the Doctor saying that the TARDIS would get sick if someone who is evil walks into it? That seems new.
The line made it seem like it was a specific reaction to bounty hunters, but could just as easily been something else entirely. I don't think the first rule has gone away completely...
I normally don't enjoy "instalove" but, every now and then, a story comes along that works and boy does it work here! All I want is more of them being married and having adventures. Hope 15 finds him soon.
Personally i would have put an Up for the William Russell Tribute at the end
There’ll probably be one in the season finale or Christmas special
@@brewster_4There already was one here.
It was only on the UK version. Disney gets an earlier version so it was missing. I was sad too.
Imagine if at some point in the future we see Richard E. Grant playing the Valeyard!
my only question about Susan Twist is whether or not her brother Oliver will show up.
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I didn't mind them getting split up, as it gave The Doctor the banter with Rogue and Ruby getting to reveal more sides of her personality. I thought it balanced well. They are handling Ruby much better, I feel, than they did with Clara in the early going.
What if BBC/Disney have chose Richard E. Grant to play the 16th Doctor. And the reason he is already in this episode is because the ship has data from a future where the Richard E. Grant (16th doctor) is around. This would be a really good hidden but also not hidden foreshadowing.
I vote for Rowan Atkinson!
If we're drawing from curse of fatal death, I vote for Joanna Lumley, but Rowan comes a close second
I think it's more likely to be a one off appearance in a special, which really excites me... I don't think Ncuti is going anywhere just yet, he's enjoying himself way too much.
The dynamic between the Doctor and Rogue specifically reminded me of the episode of Torchwood where Captain Jack meets the original Captain Jack Harkness during the second world war.
Millie's facial expressions in this episode were hilarious! I ended up rewinding a few scenes just to watch her reactions.
I didn't have a problem with splitting the Doctor and Ruby up. The episode kind of reminded me of The Unquiet Dead, and I think they focused more on Rogue and the Doctor because (and this is wishful thinking on my part) Rogue has potential to be another companion in the future (him saying "Find me" and the Doctor having his ring). The chemistry between Ncuti and Jonathon Groff was FIRE.
Indira Varma is great in anything she does.
Are you sure that's the Shalka Doctor or is it the Valyard?
I need to go watch this episode again.
This series is really making me appreciate how good RTD are the writers for this series are at utilising Checkov's gun
I like to say Pavlov's gun and Chekhov's dog to make people confused and angry lol
Chekhov's Battle Mode Earring
One of the things I really liked (which I thought deserved an up) was the way - when the doctor was scanning the room with his sonic was how it sounded very much like it was a scan being made by a Sonar (i.e. the "ping, ping" noise from any submarine film we have ever seen). This is very accurate - because of course the "S" in SONAR does stand for "sonic"
I really like Rogue. It’s nice to have a fun episode again after the two rather heavy ones previously. I know there are many times when we’ve seen one-off characters that said they’d return but it really feels like we’ll see Rogue again. And I really like the chemistry that Ncuti and Jonathan Groff have. It took me a rewatch to buy their romance. Whenever he’s fallen in love, it’s always been either with a companion or with a one-off character reluctantly. It's never so quick and so obvious. It took him forever to admit his feelings to Rose, River, and Yaz. That being said, I liked the chulders and that they just ended up maliciously playing. I love the _Caberet_ reference they make. I never believed for a second that Ruby was dead… again. At the rate she’s going, she’ll beat Rory’s record for deaths. And it was really funny in a really meta way to hear Kylie Minogue’s “Can’t Get You Out of My Head”. I almost wanted the Doctor to reference Astrid as a character directly.
21:10 I agree that it was obvious that Ruby wasn't actually dead given the set up of the scene, but I thought the reveal was going to be different from the one we got. With all the fandom speculation on Ruby's origin, a lot of which has been wondering if she's even human, I thought the reveal would be that she *did* the Chuldur'd, but that she somehow survived it, and the fact that she did would set the Doctor up to start investigating her origins more actively going into The Legend of Ruby Sunday. Of course, we now know thanks to next week's preview that The Legend starts with them actually investigating Susan Twist, so there's no need for anything spooky to happen to Ruby in *this* episode to kickstart things, but that would've been neat.
That all being said, the actual reveal we got was still fun, nice payoff for the "combat mode" comment that could've just been a one-off the same way as the Doctor's "1905 got away from me" bit
Rogue gets lost on another place in the universe thus becoming “THE ONE WHO WAIT’S”
Rogue. Rouge is a color.
Rouge
Susan is the one who he abandoned and never came back for.
@@richardvinsen2385 thank you, have you heard of autocorrect and dyslexia?
@@TheOnlyGamingDML thank you, have you heard of autocorrect and dyslexia?
This was my favorite episode so far, with the pacing, the natural chemistry, and Ruby just being Ruby. The Doctor sings the Imagination song, he falls for Rogue, and after the discovery of the maid, I cheered on the Doctor and Rogue. Can you imagine my first Doctor (Tom Baker) having this kind of storyline? Would have blown my mind.
The ring can serve as a way to find Rogue.
My first thought was it will have some kind of resonance from Rogue wearing it that The Doctor will figure out how to use to "track" WHICH pocket dimension has someone with the same resonance in it.
That was what I thought, too.
YES!
I thought that.
yep, that's exactly what I said to the missus he'll use the ring and Tardis together to find the dimension and location
One of the issues I have been having is I think we're not getting any of the bonding of the doctor and companion with us only getting 8 episodes there's no time for it
8th and Grace, 10th and Rose, 11th/12th with River, 13th with Yaz, and now 15th with Rogue. The Doctor can be quite the romantic. (I forgot the 1st with Cameca, and Fugitive with Lee).
I wouldn't count Fugitive + Lee particularly, she wasn't herself then. Any more than Ten / Joan should be counted imo
Oh also Ten / Reinette arguably
Two/Jamie FTW!
I really miss pre-8 when the Doctor only befriended humans rather than romanced them. The Doctor is so above humans that there should never be anything in common to make a romantic match possible without it being seen as predatory. The Rose relationship was extra weird seeing that she was barely out of high school.
It's great that the attraction between the Doctor and Rogue comes out of their loneliness and finding someone they can really talk to. I quite liked Ruby's subplot in that it looked like it was setting her up to be protector or possibly the only good person in the room and then turned it on its head. Quite a cheesy episode, in some ways, but also strong and setting stuff up for the future.
Does anyone else feel like this would have served as a much better first episode than Space Babies? Or this should at least have been in the first few episodes. This has provided a much better introduction and insight into this incarnation of the Doctor than any of the episodes we've had up until now.
Btw, the film is actually called Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is the book and the later adaptation.
I noticed Sean corrected himself but had it right first time.
I was gonna comment but you beat me.
Richard E Grant also played the Great Intelligence, and even more importantly, and what I believe RTD was actually referring to, he played the Tenth Doctor in The Fatal Curse of Death.
It might also be because he's been classic Loki and one of the of the writers is from that show
It's The Curse of Fatal Death.
I would agree if he weren’t the *only* Fatal Death Doctor. I have to agree with Sean that he’s the Shulker (?) Doctor.
One thing for the Easter eggs vid is that The Doctor and Ruby’s outfits look like the Beasts and Bells outfits in Beauty and The Beast
Also starring Jonathan Groff as Colin Firth as Rogue.
I swear to god I heard bad guy and poker face at one point
You did, indeed!
Also versions of Murray Gold’s themes from the show.
It's part of the fact that everyone is cosplaying.
You did.
Yup! I watch with subtitles on and it says what song is playing. I compare it to A Knight's Tale. They used modern music in that movie because it evokes the same feeling for music for us that their music did for them.
ie, no, "We Will Rock You" wasn't around in the 1200s or whatever, but how I feel about that song is how they felt about whatever music would have been playing.
Same thing here. Our joy at hearing those songs is the same they felt about their music in the 1800s.
Its almost as if saying Bridgerton its like Ruby is continuing to create scenarios around her…
I disagree with the fake out on ruby only because i figured she'd use her "snow princess" powers to cancel out the transfer but thats only because i forgot entirely about the battle mode earrings.
Chekov's Battle Mode.
I hope we see Rogue again, to me he seems like a more fleshed out Jack. I wouldn't be mad tho if we never do. It was a beautiful story that could be self contained if need be. I hope if he does come back tho it's more of a River Song arc, where the Doctor pops off for little adventures here and there with his mister, or they just randomly bump into each other (since it's implied Rogue has some sort of time travelling capability)
I think this was the best Doctor Who ... EVER! It had all angles coverd and when we went into Rogue's ship and saw the control module, all I could think ... He's missing Time Lord!
And then the "Pure Imagination" ... Okay, I was done. They could have destroyed what was left of the universe and I would have been happy had it created a new one just for them.
Also giving you an additional +25 ups for your last comment. Should have that carved in stone! I'd buy the tee shirt....and I'm a 73 year old straight female Whovian from the first day it aired.
It sure did look like a TARDIS console, didn't it? But the ship doesn't seem to be bigger on the inside. Confusing.
@@jonesnori Rogue's console had eight sides instead of the six in most TARDISes.
**imitates Capaldi** The shed! You still call it a shed!
Do we not get a nod to Jo Martin being there too?
Yes, she was one of the Doctor's faces featured.
I appreciated that. I'd really like to see her again. She impressed me. I hope we see Jodie Whittaker again, too.
@@jonesnori It would be great having the Doctor bump into Jo Doctor again and having them work together.
I have a theory I wanted to share - I may be way off the mark, of course!
The Doctor has cried in every (or almost every) episode since the Christmas special. It started when he said to Carla, "Then why are you crying?", she then asks why he was. At this point he travels back to the time Ruby is found at the church and has an encounter of sorts with the cloaked person. I think there is more to be revealed on that, something the Doctor doesn't remember yet. I think his crying is a result of something resonating back on him from that encounter.
I think clara is Missy. She just regenerated very young, but as far as I know there's nothing that says this couldn't happen. She is his best friend after all.
This episode reminds me a lot of Girl in the Fireplace in the Vibes if that makes sense and I love it..
This episode won't age as much as you think (ignoring the references to Bridgerton) since there'll always be another Jane Austin coming along.
Also, from the moment the lights go down, that dance looks like it's a single take so big plus for choreography.
I was offended by 2 men kissing, i DEMAND 3 men MINIMUM
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LMAO
Bring back Captain Jack and have the gayest Tardis team since 2, Jamie and Zoe
Why limit it maybe we can blow the minds of the h critics by having an episode with only gay people.
@@SomeBritishGal1I’m a fan of this! But if you want to kill the show specially in America that’s one way to do it 😂
I actually enjoyed Ruby's subplot, but we did need at least 2 other episodes developing Ruby and the Doctor's relationship (one between episodes 1 & 2, and one after '73 yards')
Rogues relation to the doctor was build up as a very strong one. At the end, when the triangle sends rogue away he says "find me" and the doctor sends the ship to "wait" as long as it takes. Maybe it's a decoy but i thought of Rogue as "the one who waits". Like the doctor said there are so many dimensions maybe he was sent to the gods dimension, waited for almost an eternity but wasn't saved/ found by the doctor. He got pissed, went crazy and is out for vengeance. Maybe he got godlike powers from the rest of the pantheon because of his newborn hatred towards the doctor. We wouldn't need a new character who is the big antagonist but we have already a connection to the "rogue".
Yeah back when it was assumed the Doctor had only 12 regenerations, it definitely made sense to number them, but with what we know now and with the War & Fugitive Doctors, it doesn't mean much, kinda like the Windows iterations!
Missed something with Richard E. Grant's inclusion. He not only played one of The Doctors, he also played one of the Lokis in season one of Loki which, as you pointed out, one of the episode writer's worked on. Lol.
As funny as battle mode is, I was hoping that she was going to survive due to whatever it is that causes it to snow around her. That way, they could have furthered that storyline a tad bit.
The other thing, did no one find it strange that we had three sets of time travelers. The Doctor obviously left in the TARDIS. The Doctor hid Rogue's ship (which may or may not be capable of time travel). But, what about the Chuldurs? How did they manage to get to Earth in the 1800s? And, did the Doctor just leave their transport (and possible time machine) there for someone to find?
Vortex manipulators maybe?
Am I the only one that got 1985 Prince or Morris Day vibes from The Doctor's look and vibe in this episode? I'm not in the LGBTQ community, but I absolutely Loved this episode. Very "classic" Doctor Who type episode but with modern adjustments. For all those who might complain about him enamored with a guy, did you have an issue with Rose? With the Woman in the Fireplace? The woman when the Doctor's psyche was kept in the pocket watch when he battled with The Family? How about that he has a Granddaughter dating all the way back to the First Doctor? If you didn't have issues with them, then your issue is that it's a guy, and as we've seen The Doctor is non-binary and can regenerate into male, female, or something undefined. Rogue is like the Jack Harkness for this Doctor, at least in terms of "vibes," and I hope that he returns. Wouldn't mind seeing him as a Companion or perhaps The Companion for Ncuti's final season for example. Very interesting character. The "bad guys" are ok, but beyond this one episode I'm not sure if we need to see them again. But yeah, this episode is a 10/10 from me.
Yep!
I had an issue with Madame de Pompadour, but only because he was 3/4 in love with Rose by then & it felt like cheating.
@@judithstrachan9399 I tend to agree with that, but the point is that for the most part as I recall people didn't have an issue with him being attracted to her...in her case the main issue would be the "cheating" aspect as you and I both had...not that he felt an attraction to her.
@@aliwantizu Absolutely. Both Sophia Myles & Reinette were lovely.
I’m not so sure the real Madame was totally admirable, but she was here.