Doctor Who: Rogue Breakdown - 24 Easter Eggs & References!

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  • The Doctor can never escape their past. Here’s our breakdown of Doctor Who Season 1's sixth episode - Rogue!
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  • @edwardlewis1119
    @edwardlewis1119 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +276

    the "you're hot" psychic paper scene feels like a reference to the psychic paper scene between Rose and Jack when they first met

    • @MrMann0123
      @MrMann0123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Absolutely

    • @BEW419
      @BEW419 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      8:14 more likely the Romulans. Their symbol is a bird, green is their main color theme, & had a Bird of Prey before the Klingons

    • @FiXato
      @FiXato 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@BEW419 Romulan Bird of Prey vessels generally were grey with red bird feathers painted on the bottom though, weren't they? While Klingon Bird of Prey ships were green.

    • @TransGamerGirl-547
      @TransGamerGirl-547 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I actually just watched that episode

  • @LenHazell
    @LenHazell 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    The Boss, (Biomorphic Organisational Systems Supervisor) is an old Doctor who enemy from the third doctor era, it was the computer that gained self awareness and sentience in "The Green Death"

  • @3dflux
    @3dflux 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    8:00 - if Rogue's character is based on Han Solo, then it makes sense that he flies a falcon

    • @steelsheen
      @steelsheen 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      goodness i went hunting around the web and saw the Unleashed vids for this episodes. if Jonathan didnt clue us in i wouldnt have picked up on it-- but now i see it clear as day , yes the (literal) Falcon ship, the "I Know" with the kiss goodbye before dropping to a dramatic exit, the devil may care brooding, the condescending attitude, his ship being a hodge podge DIY mess, and given that he was alone, he was flying SOLO 😅

    • @Donnagata1409
      @Donnagata1409 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@steelsheen "I know"
      Oooh, you're right!!! How could I miss that? 😍😍😍

  • @Andothe1st
    @Andothe1st 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +161

    Note: Susan Twist’s appearances have been predominantly themed in blue. The painting, the ambulance, the coat when she was hiking, the background of the dot and bubble screen, etc. And she appears as S.Triad. Like Tardis

    • @bitchenboutique6953
      @bitchenboutique6953 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ohhhhhhh there it is I think you’ve nailed it

    • @willr27
      @willr27 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      my thoughts exactly.......

    • @jaykaygxd8497
      @jaykaygxd8497 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Finally someone else spotted it

    • @CiaranFordStrongman
      @CiaranFordStrongman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      "Never seen a Tardis before?"

    • @MissMellyDi
      @MissMellyDi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@CiaranFordStrongman🤯🤯🤯

  • @conwarlock3537
    @conwarlock3537 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

    What I noticed during the "I am the Doctor" moment is that it very much seemed like Rogue recognized the tenth Doctor.

    • @EmpireGamingWynter
      @EmpireGamingWynter 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I read it more as the importance of the Doctor was communicated to Rogue through those holograms psychically. We know humans in Doctor Who are a psychic species. I think there could have been a throwaway line explaining it but thats my head canon of why that worked

    • @casualtravelers5847
      @casualtravelers5847 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I thought so as well - that Rogue recognized the tenth Doctor. Or perhaps it was just sloppy editing, because I would have expected that reaction after seeing a couple of those faces, not just the first one that popped up.

    • @long4jimshort4gabriel
      @long4jimshort4gabriel 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      YES! That’s exactly what I thought!

    • @MultiAbstrak
      @MultiAbstrak 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      When I saw the scene I thought something similar. But it was more of a "I found you!" Moment. With a bit of relief.

    • @yeuxdal
      @yeuxdal 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      And during the dance the strung quartet played Libertango. Grace Jones’s version adds lyrics: I’ve Seen That Face Before.

  • @iryna_s
    @iryna_s 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +99

    To add to the topic of the Doctor knowing Kylie Minogue.
    The Thirteenth Doctor has said that she loves "Hamilton" and has seen all 900 casts. And Jonathan Groff was in the original cast of "Hamilton". So the Doctor must know Jonathan Groff.

    • @Deliverance253
      @Deliverance253 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      How does that add to the topic of rhe doctor knowing Kylie Minogue?

    • @judithstrachan9399
      @judithstrachan9399 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just a fan-girl reference?

    • @sinom
      @sinom 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      ​@Deliverance253 it's another relevant example of the doctor having seen/met both the actual actor and a character played by the actor.

    • @sheersternfeld1914
      @sheersternfeld1914 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't know about things like that, but I headcanon that if shows like Good Omens and such played by the actors of the Doctor exist in Doctor Who, it's because that specific Doctor got bored and decided to become an actor.
      Like, I can definitely see 10 going to audition for Crowley's actor just because.
      Also, Jenna Coleman is one of Clara's echoes.

    • @petraw9792
      @petraw9792 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And didn't the Doctor also mention "Frozen" at some point?

  • @s1gne
    @s1gne 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    What i missed in the breakdown is that the central console of Rogue's ship was an octagon, just like in the TARDIS.
    Makes me think if Rogue was just Rogue or The Rogue.. a Timelord like The Doctor.
    It also looked like Rogue recognized one of the other Doctors.

    • @EasternStandardTim
      @EasternStandardTim 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I’m thinking more galifreyan, he very pointedly said “NOT a lord”

    • @s1gne
      @s1gne 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@EasternStandardTim , good point, i never thought about that.. not everyone on Galifrey could be a lord or lady, otherwise the title wouldn't have any meaning.

    • @kitten_rose777
      @kitten_rose777 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@s1gne Time Lords typically come from the noble houses of Gallifrey

    • @jonesnori
      @jonesnori 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Is the one in the Tardis an octagon or a hexagon?

    • @s1gne
      @s1gne 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@jonesnori , TARDIS is a hexagon, the one in Rogue's ship was an octagon.

  • @kieronlintott9210
    @kieronlintott9210 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I thought the Doctor's comment of 600 years being a long time for them to suffer was quite reminiscent of the ending of Human Nature/ The Family of Blood story, by showing the Doctor's darker side, but maybe I'm making that connection following on from the cloaked ship in a field and I was already reminded of that story.

  • @ThePikachuThing
    @ThePikachuThing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    hate to nit pick but as someone who is from Bath I do feel I should call you out on the fact that Bath is a CITY not a town, we've had city status since 1590 and it's also one of the oldest settlements in England having been established as a Spa town by the Romans in 60 AD. (yes I know a lot about Bath lol, like I said it's my home city)

    • @Idk-ys7rt
      @Idk-ys7rt 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Yeah, Bath is a city not a 'small town'.

    • @gavla-82
      @gavla-82 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I was just about to say the same thing. Bath is definitely a City.

    • @curtisbme
      @curtisbme 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      As someone who is from America, I do feel I should call you out on the fact that Bath is most certainly a Room, not a city.

    • @gavla-82
      @gavla-82 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@curtisbme a bath 🛁 isn't a room. A bathroom is a room. 🤣

    • @ThePikachuThing
      @ThePikachuThing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@curtisbme I'm not being rude or anything, I was just making a point politely, if you want to be rude or snide then that's on you, I'm sure I don't need to point out the intricacies of the English language to you either but in case I do, a word can have more than one usage or meaning, hope this helps.

  • @GrahamPointer1972
    @GrahamPointer1972 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    What would happen if the Chuldur encountered the cat-nuns from "New Earth"?

    • @WhoCulture
      @WhoCulture  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

      Utter carnage, that's what

    • @FiXato
      @FiXato 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      a catastrophe

    • @ianstopher9111
      @ianstopher9111 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They would cos-play the cats?

    • @sheersternfeld1914
      @sheersternfeld1914 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Death and destruction, of course!

    • @Donnagata1409
      @Donnagata1409 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@WhoCulture The nun cats would hav a feast!

  • @Deliverance253
    @Deliverance253 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Man that final bit on derilium when river asks " how long is a night on derilium?" and the doctor answers " 24 years" amazing moment.

  • @WightNanna
    @WightNanna 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    So lovely to have you back Ellie. Missed you.

  • @davidponseigo8811
    @davidponseigo8811 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +359

    I am a straight man but I don't really think it needs to be called a queer love story, it should just be a love story ! A love story is just a love story, no need to label it. I thought they were a cute couple and I'm sorry Rogue didn't make it.

    • @triplejazzmusicisall1883
      @triplejazzmusicisall1883 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      I agree. Obsessions with labelling is unecessary and starts to grate when overkilled.

    • @thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852
      @thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      BUT HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IT WAS A GAY LOVE STORY? They could have been beat bros. With butt stuff.

    • @MarKRaVeN.
      @MarKRaVeN. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      I agree I’m straight & this happened to be the best episode so far & the chemistry felt real

    • @sjacpswbs03162005
      @sjacpswbs03162005 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      It literally is a queer love story and saying it as it is is important so I don’t understand what your point is

    • @reynshyne
      @reynshyne 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Well i dont even see it as a gay story, since doctor is above genders in general. I just didnt understand how in 30 minutes they both developed feelings for each other. Gay love story for ticking in the box in this example imo

  • @ItsMeGPZ
    @ItsMeGPZ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    you know Ellie Littlechild is back when River Song is in the thumbnail.

  • @joeswift403
    @joeswift403 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Triangles, why is no one talking about the triangles. S. Triad, Triad Technologies, triads in music. It's all there

    • @JamesScholesUK
      @JamesScholesUK 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Devil's Chord is a Tri-tone too (although not a triad)

  • @idgamingfederation8172
    @idgamingfederation8172 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    so a note about the 3rd doctor's Image in that line, yes, taken from 'Dimensions in Time' this is not the first time in this new Era that has called back to that event, Tales from the Tardis with Ace and Professor aka 7 he mentions that the last time him and Ace parted ways at a point and that the last time they where together was "The Rani was up to her old tricks" implying that Dimensions in Time" was the about the last adventure they did prior to them parting of ways.

  • @jonathanfesmiresteampunkau6983
    @jonathanfesmiresteampunkau6983 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The bird of prey ship cloaked also resembles the Klingon Bird of Prey that was cloaked in Golden Gate Park in Star Trek IV.

    • @chemvah
      @chemvah 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly! And it's film about time travel, it fits.

  • @igorschmidlapp6987
    @igorschmidlapp6987 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Rowan Atkinson IS the Doctor... and Hugh Grant... I LOVED that skit...

  • @ImmortalAbsol
    @ImmortalAbsol 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    You skipped the Bond, Molecular Bond.

  • @markosborne7776
    @markosborne7776 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I don’t remember the exact line but Captain Jack also said something about building a cabinet in The Doctor Dances.

    • @ftumschk
      @ftumschk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The Doctor actually says to Jack and Rose: "Never had a long night? Never had a lot of cabinets to put up?" (Had to look that up. Credit to chakoteya's Doctor Who transcript archive)

    • @DogsAreTheBest312
      @DogsAreTheBest312 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Jack says “well I’ve got a banana and in a pinch you could put up some shelves”

    • @markosborne7776
      @markosborne7776 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DogsAreTheBest312 Thank you! Thats the one I was thinking of.

  • @HairyDalek
    @HairyDalek 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Also, that little salute is the one used A LOT in The Prisoner. “Be seeing you” is the accompanying phrase.

    • @besskorey7403
      @besskorey7403 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart used to salute the Doctor. That is what the salute reference made me think of.

  • @jonathanfesmiresteampunkau6983
    @jonathanfesmiresteampunkau6983 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Han rimes with Jon. Han specifically calls out Lando in "Solo" for pronouncing the a like the a in "hand."

  • @jaynesmith8509
    @jaynesmith8509 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Don’t forget Richard E Grant was also in the episodes The Snowmen, The Bella of Saint John and The Name of The Doctor as the Great Intelligence

    • @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914
      @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yup, sream of the shalka's doctor explained by the great intelligene finding its good side and taking on the doctors regen when it failed in that parllel timeline wher ehe is 9th

    • @besskorey7403
      @besskorey7403 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Seeing Grant 's photo in Rogue also made me think about how he played the Great Intelligence. I didn't realize there was a connection between that character and the 9th Doctor.

  • @cybernovadw5124
    @cybernovadw5124 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    With the Whole Kylie Minogue Being both a Character and A Person that exists on Earth. We've had similar things as well where other Aliens or characters Happen to look like Actors and Singers. In the Doctor Who Game The Lonely Assassins, John Simm is referenced from Life On Mars, Despite in Universe the Actor Plays the Master. Plus in an even more Meta way, there is a 2013 Comic where the 11th Doctor actually Meets the Actor Matt Smith, Although for time lords its not uncommon for them to have the same face as another individual like Salamander, Maxil, Princess Astra and Strella (Romana), and Most Notibly Lobus Caecilius and John Frobisher from Torchwood.

  • @jamesward4561
    @jamesward4561 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Also, noting that Rogue comes across as a more Han Solo type than Jack Harkness, you could say his ship resembles a falcon. Wonder if he bought it at the turn of the Millennium.
    Ps your break must’ve done you well, you are looking absolutely wonderful. It’s Brilliant to have you back 😊😊

    • @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914
      @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      his ship is an hommage to The great condor in Les Mysterieuse scite d'or... british people seem oblivious to this classic. Lost cities of gold, with Esteban, tao, zia, mendoza

  • @MeNoOther
    @MeNoOther 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Richard E Grant was also the Great Intelligence, which walked into The Doctor's timestream.
    The Great Intelligence just took up a bi-regeneration after the 8th, which was a forced regeneration into John Hurt.
    The Great Intelligence would just Bi-generate into a new form

    • @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914
      @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      scream of the shalka mate... scream of the shalka was thus influenced by the grea#t intelligence's trip inbto the doctor's timestream as you said !

  • @bretth342
    @bretth342 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    At the risk of making Ellie overly excited...
    ...I really thought that at the end there Rogue was going to say "come find me sweeties" revealing that he's a pre-Mels River Song regeneration

    • @stormyjlb
      @stormyjlb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes!! A friend of mine thinks Rogue might be an incarnation of River! His calm statement in the face of danger reminded me of when River dives out the window in Day of the Moon.

  • @yeuxdal
    @yeuxdal 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Note: the tune playing during the dance is Grace Jones’s Libertango, aka I’ve Seen That Face Before. No way that’s an accident. (Edit: Grace Jones did not write the tune- see comments below. I do think the words are a hint, however.)

    • @LeFouGallois
      @LeFouGallois 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I was going to post this ( one of my favourite Grace Jones tracks) . I am glad someone else noticed :)

    • @paulwagner688
      @paulwagner688 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Libertango was written by Astor Piazzolla. In 1974.

    • @DavidBeddard
      @DavidBeddard 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Libertango was composed by Astor Piazzolla in 1974. Grace Jones wrote new lyrics and recorded a version of it, but did not compose it.

    • @yeuxdal
      @yeuxdal 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@paulwagner688 Truth! It was a bad characterization on my part. Grace Jones is a huge queer icon of course.

    • @yeuxdal
      @yeuxdal 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@DavidBeddard Truth. Thanks for being more precise than I was.

  • @andrewdawson3525
    @andrewdawson3525 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    the whole shelves thing with the sonic was in moffat first story too, in the empty child/the doctor dances captain jack asks the doctor "who has a sonic screwdriver?", to which the doctor says i do, going on to ask jacl "have you ever had a late night, needed some shelves putting up?"

  • @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914
    @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the toymaker saying in the giggle he made a jigsaw of the timeline means to me that this explains the paradoxes and multidoctors stories of clasic who. AND it explains THE PANDORICA!! It was the toymaker's way of avenging himself BEFORE ... intelligent fella!

  • @lordofthereels6790
    @lordofthereels6790 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    An episode with The Doctor & Frank Sinatra (maybe played by Seth McFarlane) literally flying to the moon (maybe to a moon base) could be a very on the nose but fun historic guest episode given Sinatra's strong charisma & personality IMO.

    • @DavidBeddard
      @DavidBeddard 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Sinatra's cool and all but, come now, if The Doctor should meet any crooner then it surely has to be Vic Fontaine 😉

    • @Donnagata1409
      @Donnagata1409 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DavidBeddard Oh, I'm sure 15 would buckle at the knees at meeting that elegant and suave silver fox Vic Fontaine!

  • @user-qx6fp1jq6i
    @user-qx6fp1jq6i 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I keep thinking that Jenny, from The Doctor's Daughter, is going to have something to do with Ruby Sunday. He doesn't know that she survived, right? The Doctor also says something about his family not being in order. Kind of how he and River had intersecting yet reversed time lines?

  • @medafan53
    @medafan53 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It is worth noting that we have had bird aliens before: the Vulture undertakers from the Sarah Jane episode "Death of the Doctor"

    • @tulliusexmisc2191
      @tulliusexmisc2191 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And it was half done in Vengeance on Varos. The ever-reliable Robert Hammond in his book of 'truthless bilge about every Doctor Who story ever' tells us 'the scene where Peri is turned into a bird was written into the script when Nicola Bryant accidentally got dressed in a wardrobe full of feathers'. (Anyone who claims Peri was not an alien but a native Varosian hasn't heard her accent.)

  • @connorthoiss
    @connorthoiss 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the doctors outfit also reminded me of peter capaldis 12th doctor, especially since clara mentioned she loved his red velvet coat

  • @Wasserstoffmelone
    @Wasserstoffmelone 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Welcome back, Ellie! Hope you enjoyed your holidays!

  • @MrGlenbw
    @MrGlenbw 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    14:45 (Cue entrance of The Unknown in the infamous Glasgow Chocolate Experience)

  • @BruhsCookieJar
    @BruhsCookieJar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    “We traveled together we had fun. Then a day came and at the end of that day. I lost them.” Reminds me of jack talking about the dr and rose. I don’t remember when but I feel like he said something similar. Also rogues death scene felt very much like something jack would have done.

  • @BrandonJPearce
    @BrandonJPearce 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know that people don’t like 15’s sonic (myself included), but I love the sound that 14’s and 15’s Sonic’s make, it’s very satisfying listening to them with headphones on

  • @michaelbettinson3543
    @michaelbettinson3543 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Watched with my 9yr old granddaughter and within 15 mins into episode she recognised the song we both looked at each other in confusion with episode being set in the 18 hundreds

    • @DrWhoFanJ
      @DrWhoFanJ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      You’ve clearly never encountered _Bridgerton,_ then. That’s one of the most famous things the show has always done.

    • @Terahnee
      @Terahnee 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I've only seen a few episodes of Bridgerton (started watching then got distracted by something else) so I didn't get that reference.
      However, a similar thing is done in the movie A Knight's Tale. In that case, modern music is used to convey how they felt about their music. We're not excited about 1200s or 1800s music necessarily, but we are excited by our modern music, just like they were. ie "We Will Rock You" was not a thing in medieval times, but how that song makes us feel is the same way they felt about their music.
      Same thing with Poker Face nowadays vs whatever would have actually been playing at the dance.

    • @realfingertrouble
      @realfingertrouble 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DrWhoFanJ They likely both copied the idea from Westworld - the series. The player piano always played modern hits.

  • @CharmedPop
    @CharmedPop 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think the references really work in Doctor Who on rewatch because they make the character feel even more authentic in a way you don't realize when you're living it. Say you had a companion from the 80's. You could toss out a bunch of 80's references that are relevant today but there's actually value in referencing things that are much less popular by later generations which is rarely done when you're creating a character retrospectively. For example, for better or worse, Rose saying "gay" as a pejorative was just a thing people did back in 2005. A modern writer wouldn't think to include that usage, or if they did might be hesitant for obvious reasons. It's like a snapshot in time and it works really well with Who since it's all about Time Travel.

  • @robalt1983
    @robalt1983 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is a breath of fresh air compared to all the reviews revolving around bigotry and phobias.

    • @christopherrichardson6889
      @christopherrichardson6889 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So someone who hates the show is a bigot then? This new direction is vile and stupid.

    • @robalt1983
      @robalt1983 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@christopherrichardson6889 If their critique is solely based on bigotry and phobias then it's not a critique. It's hate.

    • @christopherrichardson6889
      @christopherrichardson6889 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robalt1983 well maybe the fans don’t want their childhood hero’s hijacked. Make your own characters and leave ours alone. We don’t want this crap. Isn’t June already enough?

    • @robalt1983
      @robalt1983 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@christopherrichardson6889 I'm a fan and have been for over 30 years. Married and hetro. And I'm not offended at all by transgender, gay/lesbian/bi, or multiracial/racial characters. As far as "Isn't June enough?" is concerned, people had to fight hard to get equal treatment. And if things would've moved more forward hundreds of years ago, everything would be just normal. Just as it should now.

  • @Maeve_Rose
    @Maeve_Rose 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i think the ship decloaking sequence and the design was probably meant to resemble the Romulan warbirds more than Klingon warbirds

    • @chemvah
      @chemvah 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There was decloaking klingon bird of prey sitting in the park. Voyage home. Time travelling.

  • @redeem147
    @redeem147 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    RTD illustrated James Goss' DW poetry book Now We Are Six Hundred

  • @conwarlock3537
    @conwarlock3537 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The de-cloaking of Rogue's ship reminded me very much of what we see in the MCU and the Orville, which I suppose is basically Star Trek, which tracks with RTD being a Trekkie(see what I did there?).

    • @ianstopher9111
      @ianstopher9111 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The de-cloaking of the ship and taking The Doctor onboard is reminiscent of Rose and Captain Jack's cloaked ship in The Empty Child.

  • @jonesnori
    @jonesnori 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    One point I haven't seen made is that Rogue is not dressed in the breeches, hose, and soft shoes that the other male party-goers are wearing. Rogue is wearing trousers or possibly pantaloons, with riding boots. I believe this was considered more casual wear in the period. I believe there were high-level parties where men wearing what he was wearing would not have been admitted. I don't know if they did this to make him look casual, or an outsider, or contemptuous of custom, or something else. Perhaps a Bridgerton fan might have some input on that - I haven't been watching that show, but I know they took liberties with the costumes.

    • @johnscarsandstuff
      @johnscarsandstuff 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I noticed that Rogue was the only male character in boots and not breeches. The whole outsider thing makes sense, as does the nod towards Han Solo's less formal attire and general outlook (who're you calling 'scruffy-looking'?).

    • @_sylph.bard_
      @_sylph.bard_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      not to mention the doctor insinuated that rogue didn’t do enough research on the time period, so it’s possible that he just had a quick look, saw something similar and thought that should work. how he got into the party would be harder to explain though.

  • @mylesturvey7593
    @mylesturvey7593 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great info and insight there Ellie.
    One thing I noticed, and you didn’t mention, that one of the ladies in the background of one of the dancing shots looked extremely like the actress that played Martha’s mother. I could be mistaken as it was only a quick shot. It was around the 7 minute mark of your video.

    • @JennyMarie93
      @JennyMarie93 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thats because it IS Martha's mum!
      That shot was from Bridgerton, and Adjoa Andoh is in Bridgerton as Lady Danbury.

  • @ruby8455
    @ruby8455 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm pretty sure Susan Twist is literally gonna be a SUSAN twist. She is The Doctor's granddaughter, Susan. The Doctor left her way back in Hartnell's era, and told her that he'd be back for her. But he never came. She was left there to wait for him, therefore making her 'The One Who Waits', and a literal Susan Twist at the end.

    • @hannahkarver892
      @hannahkarver892 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Susan Triad, or S. Triad, is also an anagram of TARDIS - and Susan Foreman was the one who originally used the letters of 'Time and Relative Dimensions in Space' to coin the term TARDIS

  • @MultiAbstrak
    @MultiAbstrak 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I noticed the salute as well, because it is one that I give. It is called an Acher's salute. And unlike the kind that Jack gives, the standard salute, given by military training more out of habit. It is a sign of respect for skills earned (when done with the right hand) Otherwise an archer will give it it with the left hand. Which is a big fu.

  • @Auntydaren
    @Auntydaren 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Also in the doctor dances. Jack said "well I’ve got a banana and at a push you can put some shelves up".

  • @jamesy1318
    @jamesy1318 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    15 hit 14's tardis with the Toy Masters' hammer. It created a new tardis with a jukebox in...
    But I'm sure the Susan twist character has something to do with them changing "gravity" to "mavity"! Maybe that's the real reason why all the fairy tale stuff is breaking into this dimension and not the salt throwing thing.
    Also Ruby is blatantly Rose's daughter 😅

  • @TheDoctor1996
    @TheDoctor1996 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am the only one who thought the TARDIS having indigestion was link to 1996 TV Movie when the master is sucked into eye of harmony. Possibly hinting at The Master returning once more

    • @digitig
      @digitig 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Boss"/"Master"? Hmm...

  • @carinseein
    @carinseein 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    A thing you didn't mention, but really should've, is these almost companions the doctor keeps having. More than once the doctor had encounter people that he thinks would make great companions and should travel with him, but then they die. Other than rogue, Astrid and the Indian girl from the god complex come to mind. Not dead, but otherwise occupied people come to mind like the woman from planet of the dead, or the next doctor, or the guy from the lodger, or even Donna originally at the end of the runaway bride. It's just when the doctor hinted at traveling together, it became painful obvious the episode was gonna end badly.
    Honestly I'd love a multiverse series about rogue as he travels the doctor verse and encounters many other doctors who bigenerated or even rose with her meta crisis David tennant.

  • @doppelganger3992
    @doppelganger3992 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Knew Ellie was back the second I saw River in the thumbnail , all things lead to River.

  • @Pad929
    @Pad929 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The TARDIS was fine until 15 whacked it with a giant mallet. I think both the Doctor and the TARDIS wants to be whole.

  • @triviabuff5682
    @triviabuff5682 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Speaking of music. An orchestral snatch of "Libertango" (heard on C4's "The Piano" in competition on Sunday 9 June) written 1974.

  • @whovian_holmes
    @whovian_holmes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Been waiting for this top drop all day :D

  • @liamwilliams1794
    @liamwilliams1794 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As for the screwdriver joke, 9 also said to jack in ‘the doctor dances’ “you never had a long night? Never had a lot of cabinets to put up?”

  • @jamesmoten7222
    @jamesmoten7222 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Much Respect on this episode after I watched it I went back in the Whoverse and watched the second season of Torchwood the Framents episode showing how Captain Harkness got involved with Torchwood and waiting 100 years for the Doctor.

  • @MsKathleenb
    @MsKathleenb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Much as I'd like to see more of Groffsauce, he has an incredible Broadway career which would make scheduling a pain.

  • @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914
    @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the bird ship of Rogue is an hommage to THE GREAT CONDOR !! In Lost cities of gold
    Les Mysterieuses Citées d'or, with Esteban, Tao, Zia & Mendoza!
    ROGUE is also the name of Severus Snape in Harry Potter's french translation: Severus ROGUE.

  • @RavenNiffler
    @RavenNiffler 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Susan is going to be the doctors granddaughter! He mentioned her I think in The Devils Chord which means they are going to bring her in, most likely this season. I'm almost sure of it!

    • @RavenNiffler
      @RavenNiffler 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The various incarnations of her are her version of Clara oswald and the impossible girl, slipping into the time streams of Tradis technology that she has built herself after the doctor abandoned her.

  • @stephenlott22
    @stephenlott22 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Didn't see it mentioned elsewhere. But when singing "Pure Imagination" he was doing an impression of Sammy Davis Jr, who famously sang the "Candy Man" song.

  • @jasonjimerson7046
    @jasonjimerson7046 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To me, that ship decloaking was more reminiscent to a Romulan vessel decloaking with the green coloring used. That's my opinion.

  • @jeffreyallison771
    @jeffreyallison771 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did anyone else catch the actress who played Martha’s mother was one of those who attended the dance. You can see her in # 17 right at the end.

  • @michaelanthonygarcia2507
    @michaelanthonygarcia2507 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Something else I noticed is that not only does Billie Eilish’s “Bad Guy” play when they meet, but when the Doctor and Rogue dancing, the song that the orchestra is playing is Grace Jones’ “I’ve Seen That Face Before” Could there be a reveal later that Rogue is a previously seen villain?! The Master perhaps?

  • @mandycooke5518
    @mandycooke5518 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The ninth doctor himself made a comment about wanting to put up a bunch of shelves when he told Jack that his sonic was a screwdriver

  • @TheDrunkSith
    @TheDrunkSith 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I need an episode revolving around 15, rouge and river the potiental for some hilarious scenes

  • @rbranch234
    @rbranch234 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Damaged when it was split. The reuniting of it with other TARDIS 14 kept, leading to reuniting of 14 and 15. Think that’s how the regeneration to 16 will go.

  • @JamesA1102
    @JamesA1102 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    About the salute. 14 gave 15 that salute at the end of the Giggle so it probably has nothing to do with Captain Jack.

  • @JenuineJune
    @JenuineJune 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Loved the dnd reference, been heavy into it the past few months. Can’t stop that Rogue stealthy kill grind.

  • @zaaroncampbell2596
    @zaaroncampbell2596 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When the doctor says the tardis has indigestion I think it was a nod to the 1996 movie with Paul Mcgann, at the end of the movie the tardis groans and he tells grace and the other kid with them that it's indigestion

  • @StephenLeGresley
    @StephenLeGresley 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Welcome back Ellie!! Glad your here, Sean did a banger job for you but we are happy to have you back and I hope you had a wonderful time.

  • @Kazavop
    @Kazavop 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    17:55 Interesting. The doctor's wife on Gallifrey was called 'patience', so they could be 'the one who waits'
    (tbh at this point anyone could be the one who waits 😅)

    • @TristanHathaway
      @TristanHathaway 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's obviously Amy Pond. 😁

    • @johnroberts524
      @johnroberts524 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TristanHathawayI would love Amy to return but that makes no sense at all 😌

    • @TristanHathaway
      @TristanHathaway 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johnroberts524 it was a joke, but it makes total sense. She's the Girl Who Waited

  • @BritishBeachcomber
    @BritishBeachcomber 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    15's costume was in period. 3 was just an old fashioned thing that didn't really fit any historical period. But my cousin was in love with him.

  • @edenvowles8225
    @edenvowles8225 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Surprised the dance scene wasn't mentioned. The room disappearing as they danced was an almost shot by shot reference of the 2005 pride and prejudice.

  • @xanderb1082
    @xanderb1082 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ok someone hear me out. What if RTD connected this with the Timeless child arc somehow and revealed that his granddaughter Susan was never actually his granddaughter but instead was a Division Agent tasked with playing that role and they faked the memories onto him. She eventually did care for him and chose to leave the mission and have her own life.

  • @malach6i
    @malach6i 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    15:54, it's weird how the tardis isn't a fan of "Rogue" Just like how it wasn't a fan of Jack

  • @IsiahBradley
    @IsiahBradley 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    WOO-WOO!!!! THANKS for this, Ellie!!!!

  • @JohnWinchester3567
    @JohnWinchester3567 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Sonic screwdriver Crack in that exact wording was season 1 Jack to Chris Eccleston's doctor.

  • @StevenHouse1980
    @StevenHouse1980 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well what name is The Doctor to call a young time agent who may be undercover as a bounty hunter. Javic Piotr Thane used a number of Alies's years before, he started to use the name Captain Jack Harkness. The Doctor may know enough about Jack from later talks to not call him Javic and by doing so blowing any kind of deepcover identity he might be useing at the time, thus The Doctor asked him to provide him with a name. Also perhaps he had a bit of work done, for the undercover role. (is it him role a D20.)

  • @jacklomas4218
    @jacklomas4218 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Great video as usual. Hope you enjoyed your break Ellie. :)

  • @mutantdog.
    @mutantdog. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Rose, River, Rogue. There’s something those names all have in common.

  • @lassemogensen7099
    @lassemogensen7099 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I haven't seen any mention of the music when the Doctor dances with Rogue. When they meet, the music is "Bad Boy". When they talk in Rogue's ship it is "Can't get you out of my head". When we see that Ruby has been tricking everyone into thinking she was a shape shifter, it is "Pokerface". All comments to the action. The music when they dance is Grace Jones: "I've seen that face before". Makes me wonder if there is more to the Rogue character.

  • @MurrayMuses
    @MurrayMuses 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Surely it’s suggested The Doctor will go in search of Rogue, so he’ll be back. Which is great since Groff is amazing. So wonderful in Hamilton.

  • @MrJackfaire
    @MrJackfaire 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Russell T. Davies posted a list of episodes people should revisit going into the season finale. One of them is where Richard E. Grant played the Great Intelligence in Doctor Who

  • @AtoManPL
    @AtoManPL 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not a Bridgerton watcher but couldn't help but notice Adjoa Andoh at 7:04, nice (accidental?) nod there :D

  • @josephcooter5763
    @josephcooter5763 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    The Episode is set in Bath, the cleanest town in all of the UK.

  • @sophitsa79
    @sophitsa79 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You missed that the Dutchess said she feels the portrait's eyes following her. Surely S Twist is always watching

  • @DravenGal
    @DravenGal 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a bird fan, it was cool seeing bird aliens. The one with the blue head and massive whiskers/brows, I ^KNOW* I've seen that before! In an animated Disney movie, I think. Oh wait. Maybe I'm thinking of a rockhopper penguin, which Robin Williams played in "Happy Feet!" He wasn't blue, but he had massive "eyebrows."
    Rogue reminded me of Jack too! I was expecting Jack to be the one Rouge "lost." If we don't get to see 15 interact with Jack, I'm going to be SO disappointed! I loved seeing him with 13, I wish we'd gotten to see him with 11 and 12! 💙

  • @foolonthehill8410
    @foolonthehill8410 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    still rewatching the star beast and the giggle every day in an effort to find susan twist. will keep you all updated.

  • @christinakohl6111
    @christinakohl6111 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was absolutely LIVING for the doctor and rogue😍 they were so cute! The kiss, the dance, the proposal over which i did indeed gasp, their flirting and the psychic paper suddenly sharing the doctors feelings towards the other person instead of a jobtitle were all totally glorious moments❤😊

  • @Prettygiirlswagable
    @Prettygiirlswagable 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I noticed this was the 2nd time an episode was named after a character more specificly a companion (fingers crossed Rogue is a companion some day) but the other episode was Rose. Series 9 episode 1

  • @papirooster6236
    @papirooster6236 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just realized that two of Susan's cameos were dead, possibly 3. Penny pepper-bean was eaten on the home world, the duke's mom had only passed recently, and possibly the coms officer from space babies.

  • @BritishBeachcomber
    @BritishBeachcomber 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Susan Twist must have had the time of her life playing all those cameo parts. I just hope she gets the big role soon.

  • @willr27
    @willr27 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Susan Triad" S TRIAD TARDIS ?????????

  • @IronicWhiteBoy
    @IronicWhiteBoy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:26
    Boss is just a nicer way to say Master 👀

  • @maitechu103
    @maitechu103 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Doctor and Rogue`s dance music is Grace Jones' "I've seen that face before (Libertango)" Not as recent as the other two but more or less modern

  • @guywhiteman
    @guywhiteman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the “Legend of Ruby Sunday” trailer, there’s a sound clip of the TARDIS’ groan included as well. Yeah, the TARDIS is definitely “infected” or sensing something is wrong… “The One Who Waits” maybe? “The Boss”?? Susan Twist? Or something else?

  • @A_Mini_A
    @A_Mini_A 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One scene that hasn’t been mentioned. The scene where the Doctor and Rogue dance together is quite reminiscent of the Torchwood episode “Captain Jack Harkness.” The episode where Jack and Tosh end up in 1941 and Jack falls in love with the original Captain Jack Harkness. It reminds me a lot of this episode because they too dance and become the only ones in the room.

  • @donutdog1937
    @donutdog1937 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the tardis also made a groan in wild blue yonder which was susans first appearance but it was also when the doctor changed time changing gravity to mavity