I will NEVER forget this night. I was staying with my grandma at the time because she had broken her hip. She lived on Railroad st. In Clarence,NY. I was outside smoking a cigarette and heard flight 3407 pass low over my head. I still can't believe I never saw the plane but a few seconds later I felt the Shockwave of the impact pass through my body and instantly knew a plane crashed. As I turned I could see an orange ball of flames rising up a few blocks over and the terror and nausea hit me. The plane and impact was so loud I assumed it was a much larger plane like a 737. Crazy night.
I’m ex RAAF , and I really do sympathise with you. I’ve witnessed three crashes, and I still occasionally have nightmares, even with the benefit of being a professional pilot. I hope you haven’t been too badly affected. It’s one of those things you will never be able to forget.
I was in NorCal online and got an immediate notification of an aircraft crash in Buffalo. I got a live video feed from across the street from the house that was destroyed by the aircraft. I spotted a basketball hoop in the neighbor's yard in the video and pulled up the location on Google Earth. I identified the home that was crushed using street view within 15 minutes of the crash, flames still burning fiercely. This event hit me pretty hard and stuck with me for years. I learned that in the house, the dad named Doug passed away along with his kitty cat. The mom and daughter crawled out of the wreckage of their home. Doug had a big collection of sports memorabilia as I read about him later. The loss of all on board and Doug and his kitty sticks with me every time Buffalo and its winter storms are mentioned on The Weather Channel. What a sad night.
The idea is for the flight crew to manage the flight well enough that the autopilot remains within parameters. Autopilots aren’t designed for emergency action or unusual attitude recoveries.
Further information regarding Colgan 3407: The pilot and co-pilot had turned the Reference Speed Switch to the on position. This is designed as a safety measure during icing conditions. If it is turned on, it activates the stick shaker at a higher speed than usual. But if it is turned on, the pilots must remember this fact and make the approach at a higher speed than usual, otherwise, the stick shaker may activate when the plane is not in danger of stalling. The pilots of Colgan 3407 did not remember and did not make the approach at a higher speed than usual, so that's exactly what happened. The stick shaker activated when the plane was still 11 knots above its stall speed and in no danger of stalling. This would not have crashed the plane if the pilot had reacted appropriately by putting the nose down and increasing speed, even though this was not necessary to avoid a stall. Or the crew could have just turned off the Reference Speed Switch. Instead, the captain reacted completely inappropriately by pulling the nose up, thus putting the plane into a stall. Very poor piloting.
This video is of poor quality. Not what i come to expect from this channel. Never made reference to how many were lost, no explanation on how the crash “ changed aviation forever” , no mention that the FO on the American flight was sleep deprived.
Yeah, I was confused and disappointed as well. What's the connection of these two, what changed the aviation forever, how many victims both on the plane and on the ground...no explanations whatsoever. Just an abrupt stop.
Yeah, I was confused and disappointed as well. What's the connection of these two, what changed the aviation forever, how many victims both on the plane and on the ground...no explanations whatsoever. Just an abrupt stop.
Love your content but personally I still prefer your old one accident per video, was far more detailed and engaging. The first accident you brushed over the Captain’s very poor training record & how he actually lied to Colgan Air while being interviewed, which would have stopped him ever flying with them (they only allowed one failure and he had 4 failures). His most worrying training failure & mentor comments was actually highlighted to be that he would overreact and in the complete wrong way when startled. Hence, he reacted to the stall warning by pulling back the column and only worsening the aircraft state with each movement he made & it was proven if he had just let go of the stick, the ‘stick pusher’ feature would have recovered the aircraft. This accident basically kick started the pilot information database that prevents any deceit or previous failings from being covered up.
Informative comment! I prefer his older ones myself. The co-pilot/ first officer of an air cargo flight which crashed into the Trinity Bay part of Galveston Bay, on approach to IAH in pretty good weather, had also lied in his interview, and never would have been hired by Atlas. The captain of the Atlas Air cargo flight (operating as an Amazon flight) was the pilot monitoring, but he was engrossed in some paperwork, at the time. They were inside some fair-weather cumulus, and the co-pilot went to reach around the throttle, I believe to lower the landing gear, and he unwittingly hit the Take Off/ Go Around (TOGA) switch. The sudden acceleration caused him to erroneously sense an abrupt climb, so he shoved the nose down. That caught the attention of the captain, and about that time, they came out from beneath the clouds, where they both could appreciate their situation. But there simply wasn't enough altitude to recover. I think that they were still implementing that new system to better track pilot's work history database, at the time, but by that time, the co-pilot was already hired. According to the news article that I read, the airline said that they would never have hired him had they known his history, which was mediocre.
@@ryanburch3092 That’s definitely a possibility. Or, the proprietor either got a busier life, or just got bored with it. Any of those are possible. But, with about 1.5 million subscribers, it definitely has monetary value that could easily be sold.
@@thomasjensen6243 I binge watch all their videos, it’s entertaining and background noise. However, I’m giving fair feedback since I love the channel, content & to see the drop off in quality in the name of quantity can’t be ignored for me.
I remember waking up for school the morning after 3407 happened. My parents didn’t tell me exactly what happened, just that a lot of people got hurt and to say a prayer for everyone involved. It wasn’t until my adult years I would meet and work with people who were supposed to fuel, and service 3407.
I miss the original guy who started this channel. It's obvious that he sold it or something. This new person has no idea how to run the channel. He/she should at least talk to the original owner about how to engage and inform his subscribers. Way too much info is being left out, and we only want to see one story per video.
Yes, just after she presented President Obama with a new petition signed by all the families to open a new 9/11 investigation! These families refused the multimillion $$$$ cash settlement to all the 9/11 families. Beverly spearheaded the first petition for the 9/11 investigation, these families rejected the 9/11 commission report!
One of the Colgan Air's victims was a widow of a 9/11 victim, her husband was in one of the towers and she was heavily involved with commite of the rebuilding of Ground Zero, talk about tragedy
Fun fact : In the second case the pilot or ground crew had noticed the fracture in the propeller and reported it to the head of PIA flights at Chitral Airport who didn't want a delay so to prove his point that nothing will happen he too took the flight and then this tragedy occurred . RIP
As well as not recognizing a governor failure (probably asserted to the turbine failure). That engine should have been e-handled and forced it into feather before it went flat to the wind.
A good friend of mine's younger brother was on this fight. He was going to see his G/F who he thought was cheating on him. It was a last minute decision.
One minute I'm in Buffaloe, then suddenly heading for Islamabad. Looking at Wikipedia, there is much more to the Colgate flight than even hinted in this vid.
It’s a testament to aviation safety that the last North American fatal airline accident was in 2009, and had absolutely nothing to do with the aircraft but rather the fatigued pilots. Before that, was the American A300 that crashed due to wake turbulence and rudder inputs the second most recent? (Correction: it was a Comair CRJ-100, runway overrun due to pilot error). Regional airline crew conditions have improved but there’s still a lot of room for some more. A first officer on a regional aircraft for example is paid quite low despite all the expenses they made to obtain their licenses.
I mean, North American _airlines_ may have not had a fatal crash, but US-built planes sure have killed hundreds of people in the last five years due to downright evil corporate policies and shoddy workmanship/cut corners. Nobody looks to Boeing for safety anymore.
The first crash highlighted how the Captain had 1. Lied about his training profile, which if noticed by the airline, they would have never allowed him to fly. 2. Fatigue, both pilots had inadequate rest up to the flight, especially for the FO who had been using her mobile in the early hours and also suffering from a severe cold. 3. Breaching sterile cockpit conditions during important phases of flight which led to lack of instrument monitoring and not noticing they left an anti icing system on which meant the stick shaker was activated early (not in an actual stall) which kickstarted the Captain’s wrongful attempt to recover the plane.
I think people are missing the big picture with the continental flight. Yes it was pilot error, and yes it seems like the absolute rookie mistake to pull up when at risk of stalling. The pressures these pilots, especially the first officer was under were immense. The first officer lived in Washington state and flew overnight in for her shift. She was on an estimated $20000 dollars a year. In the end it was their fault and no one is more to blame than them, but the industry has to remember that humans are not machines. And not providing the environment where pilots are 100% capable of flying without being impaired just sets them up for failure. Just my thoughts on the matter.
The captain had lied about his training record during recruitment, he had a poor history and his biggest failure was not being able to react to being startled (a stall e.g), so for anyone looking at his profile and this crash it makes perfect sense. However, the copilot was also suffering from a severe cold as well as fatigue after refusing to call in sick, which drastically reduced her performance. Mix this with breaching sterile cockpit conditions during a key phase of flight, this flight was tragic.
The human factors involved in this one were textbook. That final error of flaps up in slow flight makes you realize how fatigue and poor and continuous poor decisions correlate….what a mess .
I can never understand how the pilot for the PIA Fokker plane is so calm. he never yells or panics in fear and stays so calm till the end and literally makes no sound as they impact the mountain.
The Pakistani crash reminds me of another crash in Pakistan where they did a deep investigation and concuded HALF of Pakistan Airline pilots had either FAKE or suspicious licenses!.
I was there. I was on a flight just in front of the Colgan Air flight. We we flying out of Chicago and as we landed, we noticed sleet but nothing major. But the strange part was after we gathered our luggage, we went up the escalator to the lobby. I was the last one to get my bags because I had an oversized bag. Baggage claim at this point was 100% empty. But at the top on the escalator, there were still many people waiting for their flight which was scheduled to arrive 2-3 minutes after ours. Sadly, they were waiting for passengers who would never arrive. I'll never forget the looks in their eyes, it was so sad. As I got in my taxi to drive to downtown Buffalo I remember seeing a line of first responders racing the other direction on the highway towards Clarence Center. Colgan really cut corners with those two "pilots"...
I don't really understand what's happened. The video doesn't explain much. What's the connection between these two flights? What changed aviation forever? How many victims were there on the plane and on the ground? I haven't seen videos from this channel lately, and feel totally confused.
Unfortunately for flight 661 that is part of the things that failed in the engine they lost all control of engine no1 and could not feather it nor have much if any control over it at all. The ATR has an auto feather system that engages when one engine fails and it did not here because the engine was completely effed up ...... there was little to no chance of actually recovering from that and saving the aircraft it truly was a catastrophic failure due to poor maintenance.
@@MEGAMIGA They probably did as that is standard emergency procedure but it seems the damage prevented any kind of control to the engine this is the kind of freak accident that’s as catastrophic as the rotor assembly coming off a helicopter (one such incident was filmed) I think the pilots realized this and gave it their all here.
I'm shocked at how mumbling and not understandable the Buffalo Approach was on the radio. Is there any person in the world who could have realistically understood Buffalo's Altimeter?
At some point you need to accept that you are going to crash off-airport. Pull the throttle to maintain directional control, lower the nose, pick a place for a controlled crash, flaps at the last minute, but don't stall. Multi engine pilots think the aircraft will always fly and sometime it just doesn't.
I am forever grateful for my RAAF training, where we were taught to use our hands and feet to fly the aircraft, rather than depend too much upon automation. Unfortunately, I have the impression fundamentals are being skimped in order to get inexperienced low time 1st officers into the right seat to skimp on costs.
All pitch control on engine 1 was lost it was a catastrophic failure , from what I understand the prop was free spinning and the prop pitch was changing all the time which is what led to the unpredictable behavior of the aircraft due to constantly changing aerodynamic properties. I don't think there was any chance to save that aircraft.
One thing i suggest the channel owner to do is respond with likes or feedback to the videos. It increases algorythm, engages the viewers whether agree or disagree and increases subscribers. And a bit more detail on the human contribution to the crashes either on video or in description.
Since I am watching this channel, I haven’t been able to fly anywhere and I am not going to do it any time sooner. Nope, no. Enough with the airplanes crashing. It is better to be on a ship in the ocean knowing that ships sink slowly where you have the chance to survive… but planes?? Forget about it, you become a dead person hitting the ground at such speeding pace of the airplane. Unbelievable. May all the passengers and crew, Rest in Peace always 🙏💐
I'm with you 100% on that !! After EVERY aircrash they tell us it was a " freak combination of circumstances "...???!? Sorry guys but that excuse is wearing very thin.. I'd rather die instantly in a head on car crash than screaming in helpless terror for several minutes as you realise you're about to die in a huge fireball !! And it KEEPS happening....!!
So PIA pilots could not feather the left propeller because it was not connected anymore? I did not get it from the video. To feather the propeller to avoid drag mostly gots forgotten and leads to dramatic outcomes. If feathering was not possible in this case they likely would not have a chance to rescue the aircraft anyway.
A good friend of mine on thos plane, Jennifer N. was 7 months pregnant. Friends and family wanted the death count to include her baby and were told nope.
I know the Colgan air pilots were tired and broke CRM but I still don't understand how the pilot didn't know the stick shaker going off meant a stall was coming and to lower plane and increase speed to get out of it. Isn't this the first thing a pilot is trained in? What to do in a stall? Rest in peace to all the people lost on that flight. We haven't forgot about you guys.
It was the first one. It led to new regulations regarding the amount of rest required for pilots, how many flight hours before becoming a pilot/first officer, and more simulator training.
I had landed in BUF 3 hours prior in a Dash 8 100. There was light snow and very light icing. Did not know about the accident until the next morning when the news was on in the lobby. It should have never happened! I had flown with 250 hour first officers and had no problem with them as they were all grads of aviation colleges. The important thing is a capable Captain and those tests are thorough!
Did anyone survive the first crash? Whoever is running this channel now seems to omit these crucial details & is showing a lack of respect for the souls on board.
It still amazes me how relatively safe the Shuttle program was. During the Shuttle programs life, there were 135 Launches. Only 2/135 were there losses of the Crew and Vehicle. (Challenger-STS-51L in 1986 and Columbia-STS-107 in 2003). Of the two, BOTH of those losses were COMPLETELY preventable and both due to a known/possible failure. (Rubber O-Rings and Shrinkage in cold Weather and the Foam Strikes during launch). Both issues were known about about since the inception of the Program. Atlantis-STS-27 in 1988 was a direct precursor to Columbia. Atlantis was nearly lost on Re-Entry due to Tile damage from a foam strike on launch. The orbiter suffered extensive damage. But fortunately to a tile adjacent to a structurally heavier part of the wing. But it was so close to complete loss of the crew and Atlantis. Challenger never should have launched and NASA never should have “assumed” the foam strike to Columbia wouldn’t be a problem. Columbia should have been kept in orbit, Spacewalked, or docked to the Space Station. Complacency kills.
Two complete losses of the Shuttles out of a total of five is a 40% failure rate. Two losses in 135 launches averages out to one every 68.5, not very good odds in my opinion. This is a very good video: th-cam.com/video/Ja4ZlswGvpE/w-d-xo.html
@@MrChopsticktech Both losses were completely preventable and known to NASA. -Launching Challenger at below freezing temperatures, causing both the first and second Rubber O Rings to shrink and not seal the SRB joint. NASA was up the night before arguing with the Engineers at Morton-Thiokol (The Company in Utah who engineered and manufactured the SRB’s) who insisted the temperature was too low and not to launch as it posed a serious risk. No shuttle ever launched in temperatures that low. NASA went ahead regardless. -When NASA finally informed the Columbia crew that the foam strike occurred but assured them it wasn’t anything serious and isn’t going to be an issue. They did not think something as light as foam could do the damage it did. (Not learning from the Atlantis foam strike). Decision makers at NASA were warned and knew of both potential risks but proceeded regardless. Nothing about Challenger, Columbia or their Crews had anything to do with either orbiter’s destruction. Complacency and Assumption are a deadly combination. A combination that has no place in a car. An Aircraft. Let alone the Space Shuttle Program.
Columbia could not dock with the ISS. It was an older shuttle and IIRC could not reach the altitude of the ISS. For this reason, it was restricted to science missions and never used to connect with ISS.
We lived exactly as far away as this accident but in the other direction had the wind direction been from the other way our neighborhood would of been the disaster point, I sure do feel for those families and the horror all the souls on board, and the family of the one casualty on the ground RIP!
I've talked of this before, but it bears repeating, Being very involved in this investigation, the NTSB dropped the ball in their final report for, I believed and made clear, were political and cultural reasons. I felt they left out or sanitized what really was a major causal factor in this accident. Captain Renslow was a late in life, paint-by-numbers pilot. In a very structured situation, he could be a fairly competent pilot, but should never be captaining anything bigger than a rubber ducky in the bathtub. FO Shaw was actually quite skilled but unexperienced in a sophisticated aircraft like the Q. She should have had a long and accomplished career, And here's where it gets uncomfortable but is still true. Captain Renslow was a middle-aged man teamed with a much younger attractive woman, who just happened to be quite ill that night. Renslow should have never allowed her to fly in her condition, but something else was in play and it's obvious when you listen to the whole CVR recording as I did. Simply put, Renslow was distracted by her and was more engaged in regaling her with exaggerated stories of his flying prowess and simply lost the plot. It wasn't in any way overtly or even vaguely flirty or sexual in nature (I heard the whole CVR). But it was an attempt to impress a young and cute FO by an older man enjoying the companionship of a young attractive woman. It wasn't like he was going to bed her in Buffalo. He knew that, but was just enjoying the moment, as men are wont to do, and was caught off guard. He regaled her with stories of derring-do from his modest career, babbling like a high school nerd with the prom queen. For her part, Shaw admitted to really never seeing ice when she trained in Arizona, except in a tumbler. She was also not the driving force in keeping up the constant chatter in the cockpit. Renslow was. He was really enjoying her company! Now Chuck Yeager likely could've been making out with the FO and sipping vodka from a hip flask and still landed the plane without so much as spilling water from a plastic cup. But Renslow was not Yeager. He was an average to below average pilot who needed all his attention directed to the tasks at hand, especially on initial approach, responding to vectors from ATC, checklists, bug speeds, you know the drill. There are a number of factors that caused Colgan 3407 to stall. Renslow pulled against the stick pusher. a totally rookie mistake. Shaw raised the flaps in a panic (she might as well have stuck her elbow out the window. Of course, all this caused the Q400 to land way too hard and 5 miles short of the runway, sliding into a house, ruining everyone's day and bringing property values down in the neighborhood. The NTSB report did speak of unnecessary talk, especially below 10000 feet, sterile cockpit rules, etc. but never explored the psycho-social factors in play with this particular crew. Nevertheless, the dynamic between this older Captain and this pretty First Officer is something that our current culture (and our politically correct safety board) is loath to admit in today's climate. Broadly call it "poor situational awareness" or "lack of crew coordination" but, by all means do not address the real underlying cause of the poor performance by this flight crew. This is not a sexism issue, it's a fact that was ignored and everyone on that investigative team knows it.
This night will stay with me forever. Im from Buffalo and i happen to be driving about a half a mile away from where the plane went down. But as it was going down the sound in the sky was deafening. I pulled over and with my 2 daughters in the car with me who were 13 and 10 at the time were just dazed watching this plane we didnt ever realize it was coming down until about 30 seconds before hand. We got back into the car and just ducked down idk why it was just an instinct my car shook. Two windows blew out. It was horrible we knew we just witnessed many people dying
But the question was not answered on "how, these 2 crashes changed the aviation history" and there is little to no information in this video compared to the usual videos.
I’m not a trained pilot, but even I know that pitching up in response to a stick shaker warning is the complete OPPOSITE of what you should do. What in the world were these pilots thinking?????
Feeder Pilots and Feeder Carriers were brought under review for the lengthy work hours and limited rest time that they endure. Feeder carriers typically have (5) flights per day and are not well rested. Feeder Pilots are young and less experienced.
13:56 Notice the Islamabad controller says "probably your transponder has gone off" and he means OFF, like most of the world. Whereas Americans say "gone off" meaning ON (siren, alarm, gun). Same words, opposite meaning, may cause misunderstanding and possible accident one day.
Only flew once with PIA, it was a long haul, and a dry flight(no alcohol), and the in flight movie was a censored version of Gone with the wind, kissing scenes removed and low cut dresses had a black square over them. The airplane was old and scruffy and I never trusted them again, also did an internal flight with Russian Aeroflot, that was worse, no seat allocation and sheep and goats in the cabin.
PAKISTAN INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES OR PIA. ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN. alcohol was not present as it is prohibited in islam and pakistan is an islamic country. plus the cut scenes etc were also censored due to this reason. with the airplane being old, i can agree with that cause even with the new planes, theres just so little maintenance and that causes all this stuff. sorry to hear about your bad experience though. From pakistan
Haha, some flights in Russia are surreal. One crash was due to an Aeroflot captain in 1986 making a bet that he could land the plane blind. The bet was agreed and the cockpit curtains were drawn. They landed too hard and too fast and flipped, unfortunately. 70 people died. The captain survived and was sentenced to 15 years.
Agh. Hard to believe that the Dash 8 pilot pulled up after a stall warning. That's some basic pilot stuff. Increase power , keep the IAS above stall. Fly the plane. Also, why didn't the Pakistani pilot feather the prop and shut down that engine when TQ went to 0??? I wonder if that computer failure prevented from feathering?
United did not have that livery in 2009. It was still exclusive to Continental Airlines and their regional carriers. The merger didn't even take place until 2011.
To be fair, EVERY crash changes aviation forever - certainly procedurally. There’s always a little extra sadness for me when mechanical failure in the sky…is from something missed on the ground.
First, how are these two accidents connected? If they are unrelated, why are they in the same video? Second, I prefer your old videos, I feel they were greater in detail and the overall experience for me as a viewer was better, don't know why exactly.
In the first scenario when they got the initial stall warning why did they pull the stick back? In the second scenario don't turbo prop A/C have feathering capabilities?
The graphics maintain both engines/propellers maintaining normal function. Since this is computer graphics, it could at the very least illustrate the one engine not functioning.
In regards to the second crash. multi engine planes are designed to operate on one engine, I am trying to understand why the engine that failed the propeller was not feathered and single engine check list and flying was not done, May they rest in peace.
The Colgan accident also was the lynchpin to overhauling Faa crew rest rules for the first time in about 50y. In the 2nd accident, was any attempt ever made to feather engine #1’s propeller?
IT ABSOLUTELY BREAKS MY HEART AND I CANNOT IMAGINE IN MY WILDEST IMAGINATION THE FEAR THE PASSENGERS FELT AS THE AIRCRAFT PLUMMETED INTO THE GROUND. THEY PROBABLY REALIZED THAT THEY WE'RE GOING TO DIE. THE SPEED THE AIRCRAFT REACHED AS THE AIRPLANE HIT THE GROUND MEANT INSTANCE DEATH. REQUIESCAT IN PACE TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT PERISHED WHEN ALL THEY DID WAS BEING A PASSENGER ON AN AIRPLANE FOR VACATION OR A BUSINESS TRIP. MY GOD! BEST WISHES FOR THE BEST HOLIDAY SEASON EVER TO YOU AND YOURS TAKE CARE AND STAY SAFE AND STAY STRONG IN THE FAITH. ✌️ PEACE THAT SURPASSES UNDERSTANDING I PRAY FOR EACH OF YOU WHO READS MY COMMENT! ❤! MICHAEL FORMER UNITED STATES ARMY 🪖☮️🇺🇲 MILITARY POLICE OFFICER WHO SIMPLY PUT SOUGHT JUSTICE NOT INJUSTICE NO MATTER RACE COLOR OR CREED!
@@SmAhmadWasti718if not that is how you subscribers. It’s like Judge Judy, it will be posted as new but reruns instead. I would love if they started with #1 and worked up to the latest.
I believe the ATR wing is just too small and not enough surface area so that if severe icing or engine failure occurs the plane easily stalls. I may be wrong, but it seems this way to me.
I remember this when I was 19 years old - I am myself a pilot now - I ran straight to the aircraft, saw the tail's logo protruding out of the ground, it was burning and you could feel the flames 100 ft away. I got as close as I could, ....and I get cuffed and given a trespassing ticket. To "3407" someone means to alter something(i.e. flaps, as in this case) without CRM/acknowledgement to the captain. Just google my name and "3407" and it claims I was just there filming. BS. I was one of the first ones there, I lived in Spaulding Lake and I was going down Goodrich and **BOOM** this aircraft comes down. I was there before the police were there, and I received Criminal Trespass and got put in the news for this(again). Channel 7 asked me if I shot down the plane. Fast forward several years and I'm flying a similar aircraft type. I can't make this shit up.
That 2nd plane could've made it had they not turned left again, after regaining control of the plane. They should've only made right turns, and tried to put down in a lake, large river or flat field. ... It appears that they could've cut down on the drag produced by the left engine by turning it off.
Hello, I have a recommended crash that I really believe deserves a proper reconstruction. Aviateca 901, it was a flight with an airport that had no radar during disorientating conditions that contributed to ATC telling the pilot to go 5000 but it led to him crashing into a volcano. Its the only aviaton incident in El Salvador besides Taca 110 that had a Salavdoran pilot. Thank you.
Did I miss something? No info on who survived from either flight? How many people were on the first flight, anyway? This is unsatisfying to not know Anything about the aftermath of the souls from both flights. Not sure I will keep clicking on these videos if that isn't shown. There's gotta be someone who shows that at the end, even if it is obvious that everyone died, which I do not know. No one wants to be left hanging or made to go on a Google run after.
Why is there no mention of the PIA flight crew never feathering the #1 prop? Was it impossible due to the parts failing? I'd love some input on that, as it seems to me that feathering that prop would have solved everything, no?
I will NEVER forget this night. I was staying with my grandma at the time because she had broken her hip. She lived on Railroad st. In Clarence,NY. I was outside smoking a cigarette and heard flight 3407 pass low over my head. I still can't believe I never saw the plane but a few seconds later I felt the Shockwave of the impact pass through my body and instantly knew a plane crashed. As I turned I could see an orange ball of flames rising up a few blocks over and the terror and nausea hit me. The plane and impact was so loud I assumed it was a much larger plane like a 737. Crazy night.
Sounds like a movie. Thanks for sharing your memories with us.
That's terrible, what a terrible thing to witness. Did you go towards the crash scene to see if there were any survivors?
Oh gosh, that must've been surreal.
I’m ex RAAF , and I really do sympathise with you. I’ve witnessed three crashes, and I still occasionally have nightmares, even with the benefit of being a professional pilot. I hope you haven’t been too badly affected. It’s one of those things you will never be able to forget.
I was in NorCal online and got an immediate notification of an aircraft crash in Buffalo. I got a live video feed from across the street from the house that was destroyed by the aircraft. I spotted a basketball hoop in the neighbor's yard in the video and pulled up the location on Google Earth. I identified the home that was crushed using street view within 15 minutes of the crash, flames still burning fiercely. This event hit me pretty hard and stuck with me for years. I learned that in the house, the dad named Doug passed away along with his kitty cat. The mom and daughter crawled out of the wreckage of their home. Doug had a big collection of sports memorabilia as I read about him later. The loss of all on board and Doug and his kitty sticks with me every time Buffalo and its winter storms are mentioned on The Weather Channel. What a sad night.
I love the way the autopilot turns itself off every time the going gets tough. It's as if it's saying, "This is too hard for me. I'm off. Good luck."
"...unable to cope, the autopilot disengages..."
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@@MXedits_1 But it's every time LOL! As if the pilot hasn't got enough to worry about!!
The idea is for the flight crew to manage the flight well enough that the autopilot remains within parameters.
Autopilots aren’t designed for emergency action or unusual attitude recoveries.
@@Willtellthetruth But an emergency is the one time when you really need it!
Further information regarding Colgan 3407: The pilot and co-pilot had turned the Reference Speed Switch to the on position. This is designed as a safety measure during icing conditions. If it is turned on, it activates the stick shaker at a higher speed than usual. But if it is turned on, the pilots must remember this fact and make the approach at a higher speed than usual, otherwise, the stick shaker may activate when the plane is not in danger of stalling. The pilots of Colgan 3407 did not remember and did not make the approach at a higher speed than usual, so that's exactly what happened. The stick shaker activated when the plane was still 11 knots above its stall speed and in no danger of stalling. This would not have crashed the plane if the pilot had reacted appropriately by putting the nose down and increasing speed, even though this was not necessary to avoid a stall. Or the crew could have just turned off the Reference Speed Switch. Instead, the captain reacted completely inappropriately by pulling the nose up, thus putting the plane into a stall. Very poor piloting.
661 must have been one hell of a ride. RIP
GETTING to the point of RIP was probably the worst screaming and horrifying noises that humans can ever make before pending doom…😳.
This video is of poor quality. Not what i come to expect from this channel. Never made reference to how many were lost, no explanation on how the crash “ changed aviation forever” , no mention that the FO on the American flight was sleep deprived.
Yeah, I was confused and disappointed as well. What's the connection of these two, what changed the aviation forever, how many victims both on the plane and on the ground...no explanations whatsoever. Just an abrupt stop.
Yeah, I was confused and disappointed as well. What's the connection of these two, what changed the aviation forever, how many victims both on the plane and on the ground...no explanations whatsoever. Just an abrupt stop.
Why do my replies keep disappearing???
They didn't. You have two of them.
MrJaccdem, now we know. Maybe that's what you're here for.
Love your content but personally I still prefer your old one accident per video, was far more detailed and engaging. The first accident you brushed over the Captain’s very poor training record & how he actually lied to Colgan Air while being interviewed, which would have stopped him ever flying with them (they only allowed one failure and he had 4 failures). His most worrying training failure & mentor comments was actually highlighted to be that he would overreact and in the complete wrong way when startled. Hence, he reacted to the stall warning by pulling back the column and only worsening the aircraft state with each movement he made & it was proven if he had just let go of the stick, the ‘stick pusher’ feature would have recovered the aircraft. This accident basically kick started the pilot information database that prevents any deceit or previous failings from being covered up.
Informative comment! I prefer his older ones myself.
The co-pilot/ first officer of an air cargo flight which crashed into the Trinity Bay part of Galveston Bay, on approach to IAH in pretty good weather, had also lied in his interview, and never would have been hired by Atlas. The captain of the Atlas Air cargo flight (operating as an Amazon flight) was the pilot monitoring, but he was engrossed in some paperwork, at the time. They were inside some fair-weather cumulus, and the co-pilot went to reach around the throttle, I believe to lower the landing gear, and he unwittingly hit the Take Off/ Go Around (TOGA) switch. The sudden acceleration caused him to erroneously sense an abrupt climb, so he shoved the nose down. That caught the attention of the captain, and about that time, they came out from beneath the clouds, where they both could appreciate their situation. But there simply wasn't enough altitude to recover.
I think that they were still implementing that new system to better track pilot's work history database, at the time, but by that time, the co-pilot was already hired. According to the news article that I read, the airline said that they would never have hired him had they known his history, which was mediocre.
I feel like the channel was sold to a different creator
So you are complaining about this channel not providing you with information that you already have??? I'm confused.
@@ryanburch3092 That’s definitely a possibility.
Or, the proprietor either got a busier life, or just got bored with it. Any of those are possible. But, with about 1.5 million subscribers, it definitely has monetary value that could easily be sold.
@@thomasjensen6243 I binge watch all their videos, it’s entertaining and background noise. However, I’m giving fair feedback since I love the channel, content & to see the drop off in quality in the name of quantity can’t be ignored for me.
One of my neighbors died on the Colgan flight. Very preventable.
I remember waking up for school the morning after 3407 happened. My parents didn’t tell me exactly what happened, just that a lot of people got hurt and to say a prayer for everyone involved. It wasn’t until my adult years I would meet and work with people who were supposed to fuel, and service 3407.
I miss the original guy who started this channel. It's obvious that he sold it or something. This new person has no idea how to run the channel. He/she should at least talk to the original owner about how to engage and inform his subscribers. Way too much info is being left out, and we only want to see one story per video.
You can't speak for everyone, some might like two
This has been said over and over again. Change appears unlikely.
No one likes two videos. Thats crazy
He sold it ?
What is surely missing is the tribute to the lost souls at the end of the clip.
A 9/11 widow, Beverly Eckert was killed on the Buffalo flight. Her husband died in the South Tower.
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Fuck...
That’s terrible
Yes, just after she presented President Obama with a new petition signed by all the families to open a new 9/11 investigation! These families refused the multimillion $$$$ cash settlement to all the 9/11 families. Beverly spearheaded the first petition for the 9/11 investigation, these families rejected the 9/11 commission report!
For real? Damn 😢
One of the Colgan Air's victims was a widow of a 9/11 victim, her husband was in one of the towers and she was heavily involved with commite of the rebuilding of Ground Zero, talk about tragedy
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There’s a pic of her shaking hands with Obama days before the accident.
@@kanpoe7043 dammmmmnnnn
@@kanpoe7043days after the accident too
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Fun fact : In the second case the pilot or ground crew had noticed the fracture in the propeller and reported it to the head of PIA flights at Chitral Airport who didn't want a delay so to prove his point that nothing will happen he too took the flight and then this tragedy occurred . RIP
WTF!
These videos break my heart for the pilots that fight till the end for everyone on board may they all rest in peace.
It's actually amazing how many of these accidents are caused by the crew not adhering to sterile flight deck conditions during take off and landing.
As well as not recognizing a governor failure (probably asserted to the turbine failure). That engine should have been e-handled and forced it into feather before it went flat to the wind.
@Runway_Behind_You the reference is to the Buffalo crash not the Pakistan
A good friend of mine's younger brother was on this fight. He was going to see his G/F who he thought was cheating on him. It was a last minute decision.
One minute I'm in Buffaloe, then suddenly heading for Islamabad. Looking at Wikipedia, there is much more to the Colgate flight than even hinted in this vid.
It’s a testament to aviation safety that the last North American fatal airline accident was in 2009, and had absolutely nothing to do with the aircraft but rather the fatigued pilots. Before that, was the American A300 that crashed due to wake turbulence and rudder inputs the second most recent? (Correction: it was a Comair CRJ-100, runway overrun due to pilot error).
Regional airline crew conditions have improved but there’s still a lot of room for some more. A first officer on a regional aircraft for example is paid quite low despite all the expenses they made to obtain their licenses.
I mean, North American _airlines_ may have not had a fatal crash, but US-built planes sure have killed hundreds of people in the last five years due to downright evil corporate policies and shoddy workmanship/cut corners. Nobody looks to Boeing for safety anymore.
Fatigued yes but the Captain had a very poor training record
Asiana flight 214 was in 2013, and Southwest flight 1380 was in 2018. But it’s true that fatalities from aviation accidents have become much rarer.
The autopilot of that flight is C3PO. - This is too hard fo me I'm off
Quite low is an understatement. I abandoned all plans for a right seat with a larger regional airline when I learned of their miserable pay.
A bit of a weird one for the channel... A good video but no mention of how "it CHANGED aviation forever"??!
The first crash highlighted how the Captain had 1. Lied about his training profile, which if noticed by the airline, they would have never allowed him to fly. 2. Fatigue, both pilots had inadequate rest up to the flight, especially for the FO who had been using her mobile in the early hours and also suffering from a severe cold. 3. Breaching sterile cockpit conditions during important phases of flight which led to lack of instrument monitoring and not noticing they left an anti icing system on which meant the stick shaker was activated early (not in an actual stall) which kickstarted the Captain’s wrongful attempt to recover the plane.
The original owner of the channel sold it to somebody else who just re uploads his old videos in a 2 for 1 format.
That's good to know a shame but good to know @@christopherweise438
@@christopherweise438So this is going to be how it is from now on?
@@christopherweise438 ah, that's very useful to know, thanks! 🙏🏼
The ATC officer for Pakistan 661 did a great job communicating
I think people are missing the big picture with the continental flight. Yes it was pilot error, and yes it seems like the absolute rookie mistake to pull up when at risk of stalling. The pressures these pilots, especially the first officer was under were immense. The first officer lived in Washington state and flew overnight in for her shift. She was on an estimated $20000 dollars a year. In the end it was their fault and no one is more to blame than them, but the industry has to remember that humans are not machines. And not providing the environment where pilots are 100% capable of flying without being impaired just sets them up for failure.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
The captain had lied about his training record during recruitment, he had a poor history and his biggest failure was not being able to react to being startled (a stall e.g), so for anyone looking at his profile and this crash it makes perfect sense. However, the copilot was also suffering from a severe cold as well as fatigue after refusing to call in sick, which drastically reduced her performance. Mix this with breaching sterile cockpit conditions during a key phase of flight, this flight was tragic.
@@PatTalisman yep poor captain combined with lax airline standards and this or another crash was all but inevitable.
The human factors involved in this one were textbook. That final error of flaps up in slow flight makes you realize how fatigue and poor and continuous poor decisions correlate….what a mess .
The airline did provide that environment.
Both pilots decided to live thousands of miles away instead.
Look at the turd airbus hung under that incapable wing ! Joke on the travelers ! Shitty joke !
I can never understand how the pilot for the PIA Fokker plane is so calm. he never yells or panics in fear and stays so calm till the end and literally makes no sound as they impact the mountain.
Thank you for another great video.
Pilots: MAYDAY MAYDAY!
Autopilot: Nah I can’t this anymore I’m too tired. Your on your own with this one pal.
Seriously.???..NOT funny when fatalities are involved
The Pakistani crash reminds me of another crash in Pakistan where they did a deep investigation and concuded HALF of Pakistan Airline pilots had either FAKE or suspicious licenses!.
Remember that the next time you need to fly with them.
Rather like their regular drivers licenses then!
You'd have to be a madman to get on a PIA flight... Or extremely desperate.
Never fly Third World Airlines.
And the maintenance engineers probably too.
I was there. I was on a flight just in front of the Colgan Air flight. We we flying out of Chicago and as we landed, we noticed sleet but nothing major. But the strange part was after we gathered our luggage, we went up the escalator to the lobby. I was the last one to get my bags because I had an oversized bag. Baggage claim at this point was 100% empty. But at the top on the escalator, there were still many people waiting for their flight which was scheduled to arrive 2-3 minutes after ours. Sadly, they were waiting for passengers who would never arrive. I'll never forget the looks in their eyes, it was so sad. As I got in my taxi to drive to downtown Buffalo I remember seeing a line of first responders racing the other direction on the highway towards Clarence Center. Colgan really cut corners with those two "pilots"...
cut corners? What corners were cut exactly?
@@skyboy1956paying professional pilots instead of cheap pie-lots
@skyboy1956 they were distracted by their conversation....so....yes he's right
I don't really understand what's happened. The video doesn't explain much. What's the connection between these two flights? What changed aviation forever? How many victims were there on the plane and on the ground? I haven't seen videos from this channel lately, and feel totally confused.
There was just a couple minutes of Hope there....😢
No... there was no hope.
@@KuvDabGib well when you get out of the Roll. you thought they kind of had a handle on things.... there's just something wrong about ATR's.
@@WALTERBROADDUS Wrong thing about ATR series is inadequate anti ice, simple as that.
I really thought 661 was gonna make it 😢
I'm no pilot, but aren't they able to feather the blades on engine failure to reduce drag?
Unfortunately for flight 661 that is part of the things that failed in the engine they lost all control of engine no1 and could not feather it nor have much if any control over it at all. The ATR has an auto feather system that engages when one engine fails and it did not here because the engine was completely effed up ...... there was little to no chance of actually recovering from that and saving the aircraft it truly was a catastrophic failure due to poor maintenance.
@@XavierLignieres But couldn't they cut off the left engine's fuel line? If the propeller stopped spinning, drag would have been reduced, wouldn't it?
@@MEGAMIGA They probably did as that is standard emergency procedure but it seems the damage prevented any kind of control to the engine this is the kind of freak accident that’s as catastrophic as the rotor assembly coming off a helicopter (one such incident was filmed) I think the pilots realized this and gave it their all here.
@@MEGAMIGA The propeller was windmilling, not turned by the engine.
@@blitzstrahl Oh, my bad!
I'm shocked at how mumbling and not understandable the Buffalo Approach was on the radio. Is there any person in the world who could have realistically understood Buffalo's Altimeter?
At some point you need to accept that you are going to crash off-airport. Pull the throttle to maintain directional control, lower the nose, pick a place for a controlled crash, flaps at the last minute, but don't stall. Multi engine pilots think the aircraft will always fly and sometime it just doesn't.
What?
@@keith3970 Yes.
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Was actually thinking the same thing!
I am forever grateful for my RAAF training, where we were taught to use our hands and feet to fly the aircraft, rather than depend too much upon automation. Unfortunately, I have the impression fundamentals are being skimped in order to get inexperienced low time 1st officers into the right seat to skimp on costs.
For the 2nd accident was the situation non recoverable under any circumstances? Was there an attempt to feather the propeller?
All pitch control on engine 1 was lost it was a catastrophic failure , from what I understand the prop was free spinning and the prop pitch was changing all the time which is what led to the unpredictable behavior of the aircraft due to constantly changing aerodynamic properties.
I don't think there was any chance to save that aircraft.
Can't these planes be flown with one working engine? @@XavierLignieres
One thing i suggest the channel owner to do is respond with likes or feedback to the videos. It increases algorythm, engages the viewers whether agree or disagree and increases subscribers. And a bit more detail on the human contribution to the crashes either on video or in description.
Since I am watching this channel, I haven’t been able to fly anywhere and I am not going to do it any time sooner. Nope, no. Enough with the airplanes crashing. It is better to be on a ship in the ocean knowing that ships sink slowly where you have the chance to survive… but planes?? Forget about it, you become a dead person hitting the ground at such speeding pace of the airplane. Unbelievable.
May all the passengers and crew, Rest in Peace always 🙏💐
time is why most folks fly instead of sailing. as ou know; boats take weeks to do what a plane does in hours.
@@noneofyourbizness - OK, but if you're not in a hurry, it's wise to consider taking it easy and arriving safely...Remember: only fools rush in !
I'm with you 100% on that !!
After EVERY aircrash they tell us it was a
" freak combination of circumstances "...???!? Sorry guys but that excuse is wearing very thin.. I'd rather die instantly
in a head on car crash than screaming in helpless terror for several minutes as you
realise you're about to die in a huge fireball !! And it KEEPS happening....!!
Tragic event RIP to all. The ATR aircraft seems to have too many serious events.
So PIA pilots could not feather the left propeller because it was not connected anymore? I did not get it from the video. To feather the propeller to avoid drag mostly gots forgotten and leads to dramatic outcomes. If feathering was not possible in this case they likely would not have a chance to rescue the aircraft anyway.
A good friend of mine on thos plane, Jennifer N. was 7 months pregnant. Friends and family wanted the death count to include her baby and were told nope.
That's even dumber than not having cameras.
I think the title is misleading. However, a nicely presented video.
I know the Colgan air pilots were tired and broke CRM but I still don't understand how the pilot didn't know the stick shaker going off meant a stall was coming and to lower plane and increase speed to get out of it. Isn't this the first thing a pilot is trained in? What to do in a stall? Rest in peace to all the people lost on that flight. We haven't forgot about you guys.
Never buy an aircraft from a company that makes little machines that go on top of the snow!
Misleading headline: So what was the item that "changed aviation forever?"
PIA is banned in Europe. It turned out that some of its pilots weren't even qualified!
You have 2 crashes here, which one is the "Crash that CHANGED Aviation forever?"
It was the first one. It led to new regulations regarding the amount of rest required for pilots, how many flight hours before becoming a pilot/first officer, and more simulator training.
Still no sign of Vasp 375, Japan Airlines 123 or Varig 967...
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You mean the ones that have been done to death by other channels
Hey, idea....make it yourself!
@@Sweetthang9 Whenever you're just taunting me or geniunely suggesting it, i'll be sure to consider it regardless.
Cheers! 😁👍
Edit: Grammar.
@@leandrosouza48-t8t We have not had new episodes on TFC for quite a while so your request for new videos is unlikely to be honored.
I grew up with the co-pilot. RIP to all onboard.
His version of 'More' or 'Hello Dolly' are great listens
I had landed in BUF 3 hours prior in a Dash 8 100. There was light snow and very light icing. Did not know about the accident until the next morning when the news was on in the lobby. It should have never happened! I had flown with 250 hour first officers and had no problem with them as they were all grads of aviation colleges. The important thing is a capable Captain and those tests are thorough!
HOW SAD
Did anyone survive the first crash? Whoever is running this channel now seems to omit these crucial details & is showing a lack of respect for the souls on board.
no survivors
This channel isn't what it used to be.
No. All 49 passengers and crew on board died, plus one person who was in the house it crashed into. 50 dead in total.
47 souls lost on the second crash, too.
They did a video on it before, Idk if that’s why.
It still amazes me how relatively safe the Shuttle program was. During the Shuttle programs life, there were 135 Launches. Only 2/135 were there losses of the Crew and Vehicle. (Challenger-STS-51L in 1986 and Columbia-STS-107 in 2003).
Of the two, BOTH of those losses were COMPLETELY preventable and both due to a known/possible failure. (Rubber O-Rings and Shrinkage in cold Weather and the Foam Strikes during launch). Both issues were known about about since the inception of the Program.
Atlantis-STS-27 in 1988 was a direct precursor to Columbia. Atlantis was nearly lost on Re-Entry due to Tile damage from a foam strike on launch. The orbiter suffered extensive damage. But fortunately to a tile adjacent to a structurally heavier part of the wing. But it was so close to complete loss of the crew and Atlantis.
Challenger never should have launched and NASA never should have “assumed” the foam strike to Columbia wouldn’t be a problem. Columbia should have been kept in orbit, Spacewalked, or docked to the Space Station.
Complacency kills.
Two complete losses of the Shuttles out of a total of five is a 40% failure rate. Two losses in 135 launches averages out to one every 68.5, not very good odds in my opinion.
This is a very good video:
th-cam.com/video/Ja4ZlswGvpE/w-d-xo.html
@@MrChopsticktech Both losses were completely preventable and known to NASA.
-Launching Challenger at below freezing temperatures, causing both the first and second Rubber O Rings to shrink and not seal the SRB joint. NASA was up the night before arguing with the Engineers at Morton-Thiokol (The Company in Utah who engineered and manufactured the SRB’s) who insisted the temperature was too low and not to launch as it posed a serious risk. No shuttle ever launched in temperatures that low. NASA went ahead regardless.
-When NASA finally informed the Columbia crew that the foam strike occurred but assured them it wasn’t anything serious and isn’t going to be an issue. They did not think something as light as foam could do the damage it did. (Not learning from the Atlantis foam strike).
Decision makers at NASA were warned and knew of both potential risks but proceeded regardless. Nothing about Challenger, Columbia or their Crews had anything to do with either orbiter’s destruction.
Complacency and Assumption are a deadly combination. A combination that has no place in a car. An Aircraft. Let alone the Space Shuttle Program.
Columbia could not dock with the ISS. It was an older shuttle and IIRC could not reach the altitude of the ISS. For this reason, it was restricted to science missions and never used to connect with ISS.
I thought this was a rerun but it was not, for me at least.
They both were but I enjoyed watching both again
We lived exactly as far away as this accident but in the other direction had the wind direction been from the other way our neighborhood would of been the disaster point, I sure do feel for those families and the horror all the souls on board, and the family of the one casualty on the ground RIP!
I really thought PIA would be able to land. Unhappy with the abrupt ending.
I've talked of this before, but it bears repeating, Being very involved in this investigation, the NTSB dropped the ball in their final report for, I believed and made clear, were political and cultural reasons. I felt they left out or sanitized what really was a major causal factor in this accident.
Captain Renslow was a late in life, paint-by-numbers pilot. In a very structured situation, he could be a fairly competent pilot, but should never be captaining anything bigger than a rubber ducky in the bathtub.
FO Shaw was actually quite skilled but unexperienced in a sophisticated aircraft like the Q. She should have had a long and accomplished career,
And here's where it gets uncomfortable but is still true. Captain Renslow was a middle-aged man teamed with a much younger attractive woman, who just happened to be quite ill that night. Renslow should have never allowed her to fly in her condition, but something else was in play and it's obvious when you listen to the whole CVR recording as I did.
Simply put, Renslow was distracted by her and was more engaged in regaling her with exaggerated stories of his flying prowess and simply lost the plot. It wasn't in any way overtly or even vaguely flirty or sexual in nature (I heard the whole CVR). But it was an attempt to impress a young and cute FO by an older man enjoying the companionship of a young attractive woman. It wasn't like he was going to bed her in Buffalo. He knew that, but was just enjoying the moment, as men are wont to do, and was caught off guard. He regaled her with stories of derring-do from his modest career, babbling like a high school nerd with the prom queen. For her part, Shaw admitted to really never seeing ice when she trained in Arizona, except in a tumbler. She was also not the driving force in keeping up the constant chatter in the cockpit. Renslow was. He was really enjoying her company! Now Chuck Yeager likely could've been making out with the FO and sipping vodka from a hip flask and still landed the plane without so much as spilling water from a plastic cup. But Renslow was not Yeager. He was an average to below average pilot who needed all his attention directed to the tasks at hand, especially on initial approach, responding to vectors from ATC, checklists, bug speeds, you know the drill. There are a number of factors that caused Colgan 3407 to stall. Renslow pulled against the stick pusher. a totally rookie mistake. Shaw raised the flaps in a panic (she might as well have stuck her elbow out the window. Of course, all this caused the Q400 to land way too hard and 5 miles short of the runway, sliding into a house, ruining everyone's day and bringing property values down in the neighborhood. The NTSB report did speak of unnecessary talk, especially below 10000 feet, sterile cockpit rules, etc. but never explored the psycho-social factors in play with this particular crew. Nevertheless, the dynamic between this older Captain and this pretty First Officer is something that our current culture (and our politically correct safety board) is loath to admit in today's climate. Broadly call it "poor situational awareness" or "lack of crew coordination" but, by all means do not address the real underlying cause of the poor performance by this flight crew. This is not a sexism issue, it's a fact that was ignored and everyone on that investigative team knows it.
Exceptionally Well Said. Thank You for your contribution.
The pilots did an excellent job of maintaining the aircraft for so long, how sad that their efforts were in vain 😢
This night will stay with me forever. Im from Buffalo and i happen to be driving about a half a mile away from where the plane went down. But as it was going down the sound in the sky was deafening. I pulled over and with my 2 daughters in the car with me who were 13 and 10 at the time were just dazed watching this plane we didnt ever realize it was coming down until about 30 seconds before hand. We got back into the car and just ducked down idk why it was just an instinct my car shook. Two windows blew out. It was horrible we knew we just witnessed many people dying
But the question was not answered on "how, these 2 crashes changed the aviation history" and there is little to no information in this video compared to the usual videos.
I’m not a trained pilot, but even I know that pitching up in response to a stick shaker warning is the complete OPPOSITE of what you should do. What in the world were these pilots thinking?????
could you bring a video of the milan accident? it was a pc12 that crashed into a company building
2nd case: When your next car shop does the "maintenance".
Prior to this, a US pilot could be hired right away out of flight school as a first officer at 250 hours. That changed after this.
This is one of the more tragic crashes, however, how did it change aviation? I was only 4 years old at the time.
Feeder Pilots and Feeder Carriers were brought under review for the lengthy work hours and limited rest time that they endure. Feeder carriers typically have (5) flights per day and are not well rested. Feeder Pilots are young and less experienced.
Why is the full CVR not played ? Is it that the whole recording in not released ?
So how did these change aviation forever?!?!?
13:56 Notice the Islamabad controller says "probably your transponder has gone off" and he means OFF, like most of the world. Whereas Americans say "gone off" meaning ON (siren, alarm, gun). Same words, opposite meaning, may cause misunderstanding and possible accident one day.
Only flew once with PIA, it was a long haul, and a dry flight(no alcohol), and the in flight movie was a censored version of Gone with the wind, kissing scenes removed and low cut dresses had a black square over them. The airplane was old and scruffy and I never trusted them again, also did an internal flight with Russian Aeroflot, that was worse, no seat allocation and sheep and goats in the cabin.
wtf where did you fly with aeroflot in such conditions?
@@fteussh Mineraldy Vody in the Baksan valley in 1995, climbing trip in Caucasus.
PAKISTAN INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES OR PIA. ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN. alcohol was not present as it is prohibited in islam and pakistan is an islamic country. plus the cut scenes etc were also censored due to this reason. with the airplane being old, i can agree with that cause even with the new planes, theres just so little maintenance and that causes all this stuff. sorry to hear about your bad experience though. From pakistan
@@johndoyle4723 well looks like you got yourself a regional cargo An2 mate 😁
Haha, some flights in Russia are surreal. One crash was due to an Aeroflot captain in 1986 making a bet that he could land the plane blind. The bet was agreed and the cockpit curtains were drawn. They landed too hard and too fast and flipped, unfortunately. 70 people died. The captain survived and was sentenced to 15 years.
It would be great if youtube could read out the subtitles for the visually impaired
Is there a reason Pakistan 661 didn't completely power off Engine 1?
OMG HE REDID IT
Agh. Hard to believe that the Dash 8 pilot pulled up after a stall warning. That's some basic pilot stuff. Increase power , keep the IAS above stall. Fly the plane.
Also, why didn't the Pakistani pilot feather the prop and shut down that engine when TQ went to 0??? I wonder if that computer failure prevented from feathering?
United did not have that livery in 2009. It was still exclusive to Continental Airlines and their regional carriers. The merger didn't even take place until 2011.
To be fair, EVERY crash changes aviation forever - certainly procedurally. There’s always a little extra sadness for me when mechanical failure in the sky…is from something missed on the ground.
How About SQ321 Turbulence Reenactment?
First, how are these two accidents connected? If they are unrelated, why are they in the same video? Second, I prefer your old videos, I feel they were greater in detail and the overall experience for me as a viewer was better, don't know why exactly.
and it's happened again in brazil
How sad that poor maintenance led to the crew of flight 661 being unable to maintain the control of the flight.
Wish you can make content on accidents that you haven't done and not reupload them :(
selling homes or anything u were talking about but this was enjoyable to watch, i learned a lot About a subject i know zero about, great work!!
In the first scenario when they got the initial stall warning why did they pull the stick back? In the second scenario don't turbo prop A/C have feathering capabilities?
Despite the issues with the plane, it is still upsetting the captain in the second crash basically decided to stall the plane into a mountain
I was confused what you were talking about because the Colgan Q400 had nothing wrong with it and was pilot error but then I noticed this was a 2 in 1
The pilot in the second crash lost control of the plane because of shoddy maintenance….not his fault
I think it's important to hear the passengers screaming as the plane is going down, I find it strange they left that out.
that's fucked up David
The graphics maintain both engines/propellers maintaining normal function. Since this is computer graphics, it could at the very least illustrate the one engine not functioning.
No date in description??
In regards to the second crash. multi engine planes are designed to operate on one engine, I am trying to understand why the engine that failed the propeller was not feathered and single engine check list and flying was not done, May they rest in peace.
The Colgan accident also was the lynchpin to overhauling Faa crew rest rules for the first time in about 50y. In the 2nd accident, was any attempt ever made to feather engine #1’s propeller?
Another re-upload?
IT ABSOLUTELY BREAKS MY HEART AND I CANNOT IMAGINE IN MY WILDEST IMAGINATION THE FEAR THE PASSENGERS FELT AS THE AIRCRAFT PLUMMETED INTO THE GROUND. THEY PROBABLY REALIZED THAT THEY WE'RE GOING TO DIE. THE SPEED THE AIRCRAFT REACHED AS THE AIRPLANE HIT THE GROUND MEANT INSTANCE DEATH. REQUIESCAT IN PACE TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT PERISHED WHEN ALL THEY DID WAS BEING A PASSENGER ON AN AIRPLANE FOR VACATION OR A BUSINESS TRIP. MY GOD! BEST WISHES FOR THE BEST HOLIDAY SEASON EVER TO YOU AND YOURS TAKE CARE AND STAY SAFE AND STAY STRONG IN THE FAITH. ✌️ PEACE THAT SURPASSES UNDERSTANDING I PRAY FOR EACH OF YOU WHO READS MY COMMENT! ❤! MICHAEL FORMER UNITED STATES ARMY 🪖☮️🇺🇲 MILITARY POLICE OFFICER WHO SIMPLY PUT SOUGHT JUSTICE NOT INJUSTICE NO MATTER RACE COLOR OR CREED!
why more re-uploads tho
He actually should make new other ones instead of the reuploads
@@SmAhmadWasti718if not that is how you subscribers. It’s like Judge Judy, it will be posted as new but reruns instead. I would love if they started with #1 and worked up to the latest.
@@SmAhmadWasti718 How ridiculous! What, you want more planes to crash so you have new videos to watch?
@@donnabaardsen5372 yes
Of course not but there are plenty they haven't done
I believe the ATR wing is just too small and not enough surface area so that if severe icing or engine failure occurs the plane easily stalls. I may be wrong, but it seems this way to me.
I remember this when I was 19 years old - I am myself a pilot now - I ran straight to the aircraft, saw the tail's logo protruding out of the ground, it was burning and you could feel the flames 100 ft away. I got as close as I could, ....and I get cuffed and given a trespassing ticket. To "3407" someone means to alter something(i.e. flaps, as in this case) without CRM/acknowledgement to the captain. Just google my name and "3407" and it claims I was just there filming. BS. I was one of the first ones there, I lived in Spaulding Lake and I was going down Goodrich and **BOOM** this aircraft comes down. I was there before the police were there, and I received Criminal Trespass and got put in the news for this(again). Channel 7 asked me if I shot down the plane. Fast forward several years and I'm flying a similar aircraft type. I can't make this shit up.
That 2nd plane could've made it had they not turned left again, after regaining control of the plane. They should've only made right turns, and tried to put down in a lake, large river or flat field. ... It appears that they could've cut down on the drag produced by the left engine by turning it off.
It’s a hilly area.
Hello, I have a recommended crash that I really believe deserves a proper reconstruction. Aviateca 901, it was a flight with an airport that had no radar during disorientating conditions that contributed to ATC telling the pilot to go 5000 but it led to him crashing into a volcano. Its the only aviaton incident in El Salvador besides Taca 110 that had a Salavdoran pilot. Thank you.
Anyone know what - do you have “good victor mike” with the ground - means?
no such saying.
Who is playing the music in the intro?
Did I miss something? No info on who survived from either flight? How many people were on the first flight, anyway? This is unsatisfying to not know Anything about the aftermath of the souls from both flights. Not sure I will keep clicking on these videos if that isn't shown. There's gotta be someone who shows that at the end, even if it is obvious that everyone died, which I do not know. No one wants to be left hanging or made to go on a Google run after.
Horrible design that they couldnt feather that prop. that last one definitely shouldnt have ended in a crash.
Why does an electronic horizon need a "cage" button?
I was only a mile away from this crash that night.
I thing the ATR has also P&W 120 series engines. As i remember they have a prop feather pump.
Isn’t this the same aircraft from the Brazilian crash yesterday?
Why is there no mention of the PIA flight crew never feathering the #1 prop? Was it impossible due to the parts failing? I'd love some input on that, as it seems to me that feathering that prop would have solved everything, no?
As far as i understand. That ATR has an automatic feather system. But the engine was too fucked up to feather the prop at that point.
Bro you just give me a flashback to fir hold video re uploading 😔🥀