Just imagine dry electrode solid state version of it,it will have around 1.5 kwh/kg energy density which is equivalent to euro 6 98 octane gasoline,meaning a 1600 kg ev will need 65 kg 100 kwh battery pack to travel 621 miles or 1000 km on a single charge
@@davidfujkk8018 One thing the battery game is not short on is imagination. Lets see the production plants producing this stuff and the reviews that follow. Another aspect that is unarguable is that no mobile battery application has lived up to real life usage.
Someone said via the last *"New Battery **#Break_Through**" Video"* that in 6 days there will be another *"Battery Break Through"* video. 🤓 That person was *WRONG* !❗️! 🤨 It has been only *"4"* days
@@davidfujkk8018Imaging is not producing. The Americans image they are the beacon of democracy and freedom of the humanity, but in fact they are the global tyrant who has been terrorizing the world with bombing and killing on fabricated WMD allegations as humanitarian aids.
We got so far that if CATL or BYD announce a new battery tech, that we believe that, because they deliver. When we hear that Japan releases a new technology, we think 'There we go again, again a disney technology'.
@@ChickensAndGardening Even worse, they didn't do any type of validation before publishing this. So there is nothing, not until a validation was done by a major battery manufacturer with knowledge of a profitable manufacturing process. I think we can both agree on that.
To be fair the Japanese have a great record for producing and inventing stuff especially in the electronics field but stagnation has slowed their investment in R&D in the last 15 years.
At the start of the video Sam said that you can now buy Jumbo Jets with CATL's condensed battery!!! Er.. no you can't. I love your videos mate but when you make bold statements like this you need to be able to substantiate them with a link in the description to your source, not that a source exists in this case as its not true. Be careful what you say, Sam. Guess we just have to put this foo-pah down to verbal enthusiasm.
Sam this is energy density of the CATHODE not of the battery as a whole. For e.g., NMC already can achieve 220 mAh/g at an average discharge voltage of 3.6V, giving a cathode energy density of 220 x 3.6 = 792 Wh/kg. The paper where you showed the data managed 220 mAh/g at an average discharge voltage of around 3.2V. 220 x 3.2 = 704 Wh/kg i.e. the benefit of this cathode isn't energy density, it's that it is nickel and cobalt free
There are cobalt free(lithium-nickel-manganese oxide)batteries on the horizon with 55% higher full charge voltage compared with today's NCM cells,meaning they will have around 400 wh/kg in cell level energy density with liquid electrolyte.and as you would probably know the main destablizer factor for thermal runaway and impact cathing fire of NCM cells are cobalt,meaning these 400 wh/kg LNM oxide batteries will be even safer than already ultra safe LFP cells but with much higher energy density.
@@davidfujkk8018 55% higher full charge voltage? Currently they're charged to around 4.3 V commercially, implying 6.6 V. This isn't possible with unfluorinated electrolytes and even fluorinated ones would probably have trouble going that high. If it's true they've managed to get rid of the cobalt and deal with the low conductivity issues that's great :)
The irony is China is also leading hydrogen powered vehicles, China is just smart enough to use them for heavy trucks and trains travelling on fixed routes, and using green hydrogen created from renewable, not for family cars.
The aptera is not going to generate much power from solar. Tesla says it is not even worth generating solar polar on a Tesla semi trailer which is insanely large compared to an aptera .
Estimate from Aptera is for 40 miles a day - in perfect (i.e. full sun) charging conditions. So, doable, but you’d need to have a pretty relaxed schedule. Now if you used it just for local transport you could theoretically never have to plug in.
The constraining factor in the current EV business is not the specific energy (i.e., "energy density") of batteries. It is cost. It doesn't matter today if the specific energy of an alternative battery technology is significantly greater, because the cars are not selling because people still do not have the money to buy and EV and install a home charger. The industry is also struggling because oil prices are starting to come down and the US and Canada have imposed 100% duties on Chinese EVs (including Chinese Teslas) EVs. The only way battery technology will help EV sales is if a lighter and cheaper battery for an EV giving 600km of range is cheaper than an ICE vehicle with similar range. I think this will happen but not before a few more years in Europe and North America, because of import duties.
Suggestion: Create a table of ‘battery of the day’ technology checklist. This could be a simple one page chart giving an overview of the battery’s characteristics… ie. - state of technology, researching, pre production, production - basic tech - country of origin - various capacity metrics - total cycles - performance degradation. You discuss new battery types continually… it’d be nice seeing where the current battery fits within the existing mosaic of batteries. They’re all fantastic in some way… but often there’s some glad that prevents them from becoming mainstream.
A battery with such a high energy density could become important in electric motorcycles. When it comes to cars, price is more important. Also because you can install much larger batteries there.
Don't under estimate the value of added range, that's been a sticking point for many. Not to mention a half sized battery would bring the range and price down to the competition with a much lower weight.
I'm in Japan, I borrowed a Hyundai ioniq 5 for a week, wow, very cool car compared to the mostly garbage ev made in Japan.... Now I'm hanging out for the Hyundai INSTA ev, coming in March next year! ( Apparently it will be about $30k AUD here in Japan, it's about $20K AUD in Korea )
Secret weapon, eh. Besides Germany Japan also developed secret weapons and projects during World War II, though they are less well-known compared to those of Nazi Germany. Here are some notable examples: 1. **I-400 Class Submarines**: These were massive submarines capable of carrying and launching aircraft. The I-400 class submarines were designed to strike targets as far as the U.S. mainland. They could carry up to three Seiran aircraft, which were floatplanes designed to be assembled, launched, and recovered by the submarine. 2. **Kaiten Torpedoes**: Kaitens were manned torpedoes, essentially suicide weapons piloted by a single person. The pilot would guide the torpedo to its target, sacrificing themselves in the process. Kaitens were used in combat, but with limited success. 3. **Fugō Balloon Bombs**: Japan launched thousands of hydrogen-filled balloons equipped with incendiary bombs toward the United States. The goal was to start wildfires and create panic. While a few of these balloons did reach the U.S., causing some casualties and minor damage, they were not effective as a large-scale weapon. 4. **Ohka (Baka) Rocket Planes**: The Ohka was a piloted kamikaze aircraft that was essentially a flying bomb, powered by rocket engines. It was carried into battle by a larger bomber and released near the target. The Ohka's speed made it difficult to intercept, but its short range and the vulnerability of the carrier aircraft limited its effectiveness. 5. **Biological Weapons**: Japan's Unit 731 conducted horrific experiments on biological warfare, including the development of weapons using plague, anthrax, and other pathogens. They even conducted live human experiments. While Japan did use biological weapons in China, these weapons were not deployed on a large scale in other theaters of the war.
Don't forget the Japs big germ warfare. That's what US kept after WWII for further researched and more developments. Da, da, COVID 19 from Fort Dicktrick Maryland is born. The rest is history.
It's all fascinating, the developments keep on coming, but just a point I work in Southwark , south London, and already we have double decker electric buses, taxis, delivery trucks and teslas and mgs . The tech is already there.
Early adopters pay a premium early developers pay a premium.The final winners usually finds away around the patents and win by building at scale. Tariffs give the winners breathing room to catch up and protect national security. The west will vote for democracy with its wallet. I appreciate your work Sam.
Sam, you can't buy jumbo sized electric planes. Not yet, anyway. There are a handful of electric aircraft available, but with limited range and only a few seats.
Manganese would be for the cathode to reduce costs and maintain capacity or maybe increase slightly. Also 800Whr/kg should lower costs if it only takes 0.25kg of materials to achieve the same energy capacity as a 200Wh/kg cell. Rule of thumb, the goal is always cheaper and better using less, not four times better at twice the cost. Four time better means 1/4th the costs for same capacity to make business case. Of course half the costs would still work, but not double costs.
Amprius has sold batteries that deliver up to 450 Wh/kg since 2018. They are now building a second, much larger factory. In March 2023, Munro published a video about them.
Even if Japan has a battery with enormous energy density, they did say that these batteries will be used in their hybrids first. They say it is to test the product further in the field so to speak, but to me it is to keep the ICE manufacturing sector alive somewhat longer.
Only talk when it is available in the market at affordable prices, not in the lab or under research and definitely no need if it is very expensive and unaffordable.
I hope to eventually swap out the 105 w/kg battery from my 2016 volt with a higher density battery. I get 3 to 4 mp kwh with the volt, carrying a low density battery and ICE. In summer this translates to a bit more than 50 miles of range. I think it’s reasonable to imagine a 200 mile range with a 400 w/kg battery. I hope the opportunity presents itself.
There are a lot of fantastic technologies that have never made it out of labs due to suitability, scalability, and price. What is more important is the sheer amount of talent and resources that is being put into energy storage that is creating a knowledge base for research.
Please always discuss battery LIFE when discussing battery CAPACITY. We have heard in the past that high capacity batteries often have very short lives in terms of cycles. Thank you.
If Japan has come up with 820Wh/kg batteries it really doesn't matter if they can not mass produce them. The one who is able to guarantee the quality and mass production with delivery even with 400Wh/kg...that is the one who wins. And the one who is able to do 400 will also be able to deliver 800 and more.
the most impressive density capacity improvement I have seen is in the EVDI or Electric Viking Density Index which is easily calculated, with January 21 as the base, as being the number of Sam's game changing battery articles this month/those in the base month. current 10.7
This is based on research. This manganese anode IS NOT in production. Also there are concerns that Manganese dissolving into the solution. Not a fully proven product yet and not in production yet
The battery is not the problem, it's the cost of electricity. In California, the cost of electricity is $0.43/KWH and going higher. If your EV gets 3.5 miles per KWH, that's $12.2 cents per mile. The cost of gasoline in California is $3.99/gallon and going down. If your Toyota hybrid gets 42 MPG (most do), that's &.095 per mile. I understand that prices for electricity and gasoline are much cheaper outside of California. Batteries are great, it's the cost of charging them that's the problem. BTW, during daylight hours, almost all electricity in California is from renewables and yet we have the highest costs in the nation.
CATL has been working on this same technology for use in EV (4-wheelers) for quite some time already, so this is not new at all. LMO battery chemistry is one of the oldest lithium technologies, and have been extensively used in 2-wheelers and consumer goods.
Sam even with that energy density it’s not enough for a jumbo jet. Sure it will work for short haul, but for long haul flights you need at least a tens times greater energy density.
Every day, we hear of all sorts of breakthroughs in battery technology, but we see none of this going into mass production. Plus, we don't know what they are going to cost. For me, this is just another teaser announcement without any substance. On the other hand, if a Japanese company starts putting these into hybrids or EVs and they hold up without issues, then this would be a real achievement. But this is a research battery with no consequences for the current market.
They have to leap over two obstacles, they are cheaper and would last as many charge and discharge cycles as existing commercially produced batteries. Some how, I think these 800 kWH batteries are still vapour ware. We should be seeing them in applications that are not as sensitive to price and longevity by now if they exist.
Batteries keep their weight during flight, while Jet A-1 gets burned away. Electric aircraft thus need a much stronger structure and landing gear which males them uncompetitive for long haul flights.
I love the new battery tech. Imagine getting a solid 400-500mi of range while requiring LESS battery? The EV bears won't have much ammo left in a year or two.
Cost, longevity, charge rate, temperature sensitivity, fire safety, cell voltage, etc etc.? Where is the factory to make them in volume? It all matters, if you want to drive somewhere TODAY.
The pending release of a new battery from Japan is like 'new' revolutionary medical 'breakthroughs' .......it will be available in 10 years....if we're lucky. BYD keeps on giving.
wait...WHAT?!?! One can currently buy an electric jumbo jet? Noooooo, pal. You misspoke. 400 wh/kg batteries is the threshold to make small regional air-transport feasible. Larger and longer electric air transport is coming, but an electric jumbo jet? We're a LONGGGGGGGGGG way from that development in air travel.
Sam, good that you find info like this! Also good that you say “maybe ten years”. Tesla would perhaps get it done in five years, if they had invented this.
Read the paper about it, and they still need to solve the manganese dissolution problem. So, it's going to be awhile before this gets into production...
The Chinese cars are serious competitors, but economics tends to balance things out. Right now, Chinese labour costs are really low helped by current exchange rates. But if Chinese auto makers are as successful as you predict then we should expect the yuan to appreciate making costs higher.
Japan is just demonstrating class Dunning Kruger, when CATL and BYD talk Solid State they aren't talking about building them, they already know how, what CATL and BYD talk about are increasing charge cycles, reducing cost of production, metrics that's actually preventing mass commercial adoption.
To be honest... I've seen hundreds of battery improvement video's over the last 10 years... But they all turn out to be campaign material in order to gain funds. Nothing really broke through.
"Can buy" I would really like to be able to buy the CATL cells. I don´t even think they have published a data sheet yet? They are very hush about the exact characteristics of their condensed battery and the applications they are deploying them in, is more like a long time real world test. So let´s hope they´ll be available next year to buy as they promise!
When you have a great product, you sell it. When you are behind your competitors you sell FUD (Fear Uncertainly and Doubt). It is possible that one of these technologies will make it to market from Japan, but I am not going to hold my breath.
Even if they’re awesome on all aspects of the battery spider chart in a lab we probably still have to wait 5+ years to completely test them before they are put into high volume vehicles. These days I get excited about batteries that have been rigorously real world tested by independent companies and it’s about a year before they go into mass production of affordable electric vehicles. Probably only insiders and top Wall Street people get that information so THEY can get even richer.
Panasonic’s problem is none of the Japanese car companies are serious about EVs at the moment. On top of that their local source for battery grade, refined Lithium is China. I’m sure it’s a hard sell to local banks for investment without Toyota and the rest on board.
Technology transition! At this density we can imagine way beyond EV applications. Homes, businesses, grids, emergency services, rural and remote, farm tractors and combines, mines, aircraft, shipping, military - what energy technology can make as much operational and economic sense as this?
When it comes to Japan, I'll believe it when I see it. Vietnam has been waiting for its high speed rail for over ten years. Indonesia didn't fall for the hype that anything Japan is excellent. It instead chose China and started its high speed rail project years later than Vietnam. The Jakarta-Bandung high speed rail has been operating for a year now 🤣.
I would never again believe anything again coming out of Japan about EV. Their integrity is shit. They fell on their sword and have on life support. They cried wolf way too many times.
Toyota has been saying "Next year ..." for so long, I now believe that we will see a "Mr. Fusion" on cars before Toyota gets their act together. But they will survive on the legendary reliability of their ... WAIT. Did that truck engine EXPLODE?
It kind of depends by far the largest weight of any commercial aircraft is the fuel it has to carry. This has such a bearing on the performance of the aircraft that fuel weight has to be considered for every takeoff and landing depending on the runway and the weather conditions. An electric powered alternative would have a static weight that doesn’t change.
@@ouethojlkjnwhich means it's max takeoff weight has to be the same as it's max landing weight. Normal aircraft can takeoff much heavier than they can land due to the stress on the landing gear.
There are constant reports from Japan about new miracle batteries, but they are not being used in Japanese products. This may be due to the Japanese power grid, which is not prepared for the demands of e-mobility.
It’s just the usual made up staff like hydrogen cars. Something to keep the shareholders happy even though Toyota is the most indebted company in corporate history.
A secret game-changing battery - so secret it doesn't even exist yet - and probably never will. But if it does ever see the light of day, I hope Aptera buys some and makes a 3000-mile EV. Then somebody can cannonball an Aptera from coast to coast in the USA on one charge.
Sam: With batteries for cars it is the cost that matters. Other options may be more dense but that only works if they buyer pays lest. For aerospace its a different calculation and for aerospace customers will pay if it makes financial sense
I have to wonder. If someone could produce lead-acid batteries or some other low density battery for super cheap, would it happen? I kind of doubt people would drive a car with half of it's volume filled with battery. Still a lot of use of the more expensive old batteries with Cadium despite LiPO4 types and Sodium.
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Another day, another world changing battery chemistry...
Just imagine dry electrode solid state version of it,it will have around 1.5 kwh/kg energy density which is equivalent to euro 6 98 octane gasoline,meaning a 1600 kg ev will need 65 kg 100 kwh battery pack to travel 621 miles or 1000 km on a single charge
@@davidfujkk8018 One thing the battery game is not short on is imagination. Lets see the production plants producing this stuff and the reviews that follow. Another aspect that is unarguable is that no mobile battery application has lived up to real life usage.
Another day, another claim by Japan that they have some kind of breakthrough
Someone said via the last *"New Battery **#Break_Through**" Video"* that in 6 days there will be another *"Battery Break Through"* video. 🤓
That person was *WRONG* !❗️! 🤨
It has been only *"4"* days
@@davidfujkk8018Imaging is not producing. The Americans image they are the beacon of democracy and freedom of the humanity, but in fact they are the global tyrant who has been terrorizing the world with bombing and killing on fabricated WMD allegations as humanitarian aids.
Call us back when they start selling it....
..... In year 2077😂😂😂
...never.
At what price?
Yea. So sick of hearing about new tech that NEVER makes it to market.
they can't compete in price war maybe work in commercial industry?
We got so far that if CATL or BYD announce a new battery tech, that we believe that, because they deliver. When we hear that Japan releases a new technology, we think 'There we go again, again a disney technology'.
This isn't a Japanese company announcement; it's a research team at Yokohama University.
@@ChickensAndGardening Even worse, they didn't do any type of validation before publishing this. So there is nothing, not until a validation was done by a major battery manufacturer with knowledge of a profitable manufacturing process. I think we can both agree on that.
@@hvxcolors396 Yes this is just another data point in the long term race to build better batteries. Hopefully it's real.
@@ChickensAndGardening Not real, just a way to get free funding money from their arse broke government.
japan needs to keep the falling stock price up
Let's see. So far there has been a lot of Game changing tech announced by Japan but amounting to nothing...
To be fair the Japanese have a great record for producing and inventing stuff especially in the electronics field but stagnation has slowed their investment in R&D in the last 15 years.
Japan says a lot but produces nothing
The same as all the other claimed breakthroughs.
At the start of the video Sam said that you can now buy Jumbo Jets with CATL's condensed battery!!!
Er.. no you can't.
I love your videos mate but when you make bold statements like this you need to be able to substantiate them with a link in the description to your source, not that a source exists in this case as its not true.
Be careful what you say, Sam.
Guess we just have to put this foo-pah down to verbal enthusiasm.
@@zorbakaput8537The Japanese has faked and remixed a lot of things in the past, but invention.
I believe it when I see it, Toyota has been talking about Solid state for 10 years now.
My favorite game changer is the MAGIC battery for the WAYER engine YEHEHE
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Sam this is energy density of the CATHODE not of the battery as a whole. For e.g., NMC already can achieve 220 mAh/g at an average discharge voltage of 3.6V, giving a cathode energy density of 220 x 3.6 = 792 Wh/kg. The paper where you showed the data managed 220 mAh/g at an average discharge voltage of around 3.2V. 220 x 3.2 = 704 Wh/kg i.e. the benefit of this cathode isn't energy density, it's that it is nickel and cobalt free
There are cobalt free(lithium-nickel-manganese oxide)batteries on the horizon with 55% higher full charge voltage compared with today's NCM cells,meaning they will have around 400 wh/kg in cell level energy density with liquid electrolyte.and as you would probably know the main destablizer factor for thermal runaway and impact cathing fire of NCM cells are cobalt,meaning these 400 wh/kg LNM oxide batteries will be even safer than already ultra safe LFP cells but with much higher energy density.
@@davidfujkk8018 55% higher full charge voltage? Currently they're charged to around 4.3 V commercially, implying 6.6 V. This isn't possible with unfluorinated electrolytes and even fluorinated ones would probably have trouble going that high. If it's true they've managed to get rid of the cobalt and deal with the low conductivity issues that's great :)
Nominal voltage of ncm battery is 3.6v and theoretically LNM batteries will have 5.2 nominal voltage through charge/dicharge rate
@@davidfujkk8018 Theoretically? :)
@@davidfujkk8018so it would still have a graphite anode?
We cant go 4 days without new battery breakthrough.
This is great too….. ever changing / improving battery technology
same with new fusion breakthrough, new perovskite breakthrough, etc, etc.
how do you know China haven't got a better one.. old Chinese saying.. don't tell other people your plans.. show them the result..
Because we do not know.
amen
Kamala said that….
Because Chinese people cheat and couldn’t innovate to save their grandmas dog soup
Secret weapon but no such secret product out yet to show us anything . . .
What's important to the consumers is when is this new battery going to leave the laboratory and enter every Toyota EVs.
great balls of fire
Sadly, this is one of many FUD announcements from Toyota. A little bit of reality would be nice.
When snowballs exist in hell.
Puncture test first.
game changers ain't game changers anymore, they're every day events
And yet... It seems like the game never changes.
daily stock market event
Hey hey hey wait now give Mr Sam a break…… this is the first game changing battery technology in 3 days YEHEHE
Japans having a Kodak moment...
🤣🤣🤣
The once upon a time mighty KODAK?😅😂😅😂😅😂
Yes, it's looking like KODAK more and more of today.
Not another Game Changer!
Lots of "game-changers" with Shit results!
This game keeps changing faster than I can keep up!
Nicely done. I especially like the way you temper expectations here.
I'll believe it when it comes to market.
Remember Toyota keeps saying they have solid state battery and yet where is it.
You do not believe what Sam said is true?
A secret weapon so secret that even its inventors don't know how to make it.
I mean if you’re in charge of one piece of the project then I could see that.
This ought to stop. How many game changing batteries in the last few days? This is becoming ridiculous.
Japan also said that hydrogen powered cars were happening.
They’re being sued in California for that right now.
They are trying to hit a jackpot blindfolded.
The irony is China is also leading hydrogen powered vehicles, China is just smart enough to use them for heavy trucks and trains travelling on fixed routes, and using green hydrogen created from renewable, not for family cars.
Japanese and hydrogen:th-cam.com/video/_uTZWaJU6ho/w-d-xo.html
@@peanutbutterjellyjam2179 Ukraine uses Japanese hydrogen cars as mini hydrogen bomb weapon as mentioned in YT.
"If you put it into..."
Aptera, you could drive across USA without charging (other than the solar charging as you drive).
The aptera is not going to generate much power from solar. Tesla says it is not even worth generating solar polar on a Tesla semi trailer which is insanely large compared to an aptera .
@@allangraham970 Have you ever driven 2000+ miles? Takes a while... While you're charging.
@@allangraham970 Aptera doesn't *use* much power.
Estimate from Aptera is for 40 miles a day - in perfect (i.e. full sun) charging conditions. So, doable, but you’d need to have a pretty relaxed schedule. Now if you used it just for local transport you could theoretically never have to plug in.
@@mk1st You guys miss whole point; solar'd be superfluous. *It goes 1K miles on 200 wh/kg, this is 4X that.*
The constraining factor in the current EV business is not the specific energy (i.e., "energy density") of batteries. It is cost. It doesn't matter today if the specific energy of an alternative battery technology is significantly greater, because the cars are not selling because people still do not have the money to buy and EV and install a home charger. The industry is also struggling because oil prices are starting to come down and the US and Canada have imposed 100% duties on Chinese EVs (including Chinese Teslas) EVs. The only way battery technology will help EV sales is if a lighter and cheaper battery for an EV giving 600km of range is cheaper than an ICE vehicle with similar range. I think this will happen but not before a few more years in Europe and North America, because of import duties.
1:34 "These batteries, therefore, If they are real?" That statement says it all!!
Always good to hear about the latest, cutting-edge battery technology, Sam.
Suggestion:
Create a table of ‘battery of the day’ technology checklist.
This could be a simple one page chart giving an overview of the battery’s characteristics… ie.
- state of technology, researching, pre production, production
- basic tech
- country of origin
- various capacity metrics
- total cycles
- performance degradation.
You discuss new battery types continually… it’d be nice seeing where the current battery fits within the existing mosaic of batteries.
They’re all fantastic in some way… but often there’s some glad that prevents them from becoming mainstream.
A battery with such a high energy density could become important in electric motorcycles. When it comes to cars, price is more important. Also because you can install much larger batteries there.
e-bikes too.... they can be lighter
@@fatdoi003 Forget all that, cellphones would be the first application of these. My Ebike gets too much range anyway.
Don't under estimate the value of added range, that's been a sticking point for many. Not to mention a half sized battery would bring the range and price down to the competition with a much lower weight.
Maybe I'll look up Prof Yabuuchi ... I walk my dog past the Dept of Chemical and Life Science building all the time. The YNU campus is beautiful.
Toyota promised to sell Solid State battery in 2023 :) the truth is that they have nothing to compete with CATL or BYD
Monday already ?
Nope only friday…
Dear gods this cursed week will never end…
I'm in Japan, I borrowed a Hyundai ioniq 5 for a week, wow, very cool car compared to the mostly garbage ev made in Japan.... Now I'm hanging out for the Hyundai INSTA ev, coming in March next year! ( Apparently it will be about $30k AUD here in Japan, it's about $20K AUD in Korea )
Seriously there are so many changing of the game who knows what game it even is anymore.
It’s the game of keeping a revenue stream for Sam 🫢
Good to see you eye is back in good form. ^^
Another gamer changer! Wake me up when something actually changes.
Secret weapon, eh.
Besides Germany Japan also developed secret weapons and projects during World War II, though they are less well-known compared to those of Nazi Germany. Here are some notable examples:
1. **I-400 Class Submarines**: These were massive submarines capable of carrying and launching aircraft. The I-400 class submarines were designed to strike targets as far as the U.S. mainland. They could carry up to three Seiran aircraft, which were floatplanes designed to be assembled, launched, and recovered by the submarine.
2. **Kaiten Torpedoes**: Kaitens were manned torpedoes, essentially suicide weapons piloted by a single person. The pilot would guide the torpedo to its target, sacrificing themselves in the process. Kaitens were used in combat, but with limited success.
3. **Fugō Balloon Bombs**: Japan launched thousands of hydrogen-filled balloons equipped with incendiary bombs toward the United States. The goal was to start wildfires and create panic. While a few of these balloons did reach the U.S., causing some casualties and minor damage, they were not effective as a large-scale weapon.
4. **Ohka (Baka) Rocket Planes**: The Ohka was a piloted kamikaze aircraft that was essentially a flying bomb, powered by rocket engines. It was carried into battle by a larger bomber and released near the target. The Ohka's speed made it difficult to intercept, but its short range and the vulnerability of the carrier aircraft limited its effectiveness.
5. **Biological Weapons**: Japan's Unit 731 conducted horrific experiments on biological warfare, including the development of weapons using plague, anthrax, and other pathogens. They even conducted live human experiments. While Japan did use biological weapons in China, these weapons were not deployed on a large scale in other theaters of the war.
Don't forget the Japs big germ warfare.
That's what US kept after WWII for further researched and more developments.
Da, da, COVID 19 from Fort Dicktrick Maryland is born.
The rest is history.
Batteries are going to continue to improve in every way.
I love it when a new battery chemistry comes together
It's all fascinating, the developments keep on coming, but just a point I work in Southwark , south London, and already we have double decker electric buses, taxis, delivery trucks and teslas and mgs . The tech is already there.
I'm glad to see the "Game Changing Battery Technology" for September has arrived early enough in the month that we might get two this month!
Early adopters pay a premium early developers pay a premium.The final winners usually finds away around the patents and win by building at scale. Tariffs give the winners breathing room to catch up and protect national security. The west will vote for democracy with its wallet. I appreciate your work Sam.
It’s getting better and better so much competition
I head "Game Changer" so many times, I thought I was watching Gold Rush. Love the channel...
Sam, you can't buy jumbo sized electric planes. Not yet, anyway.
There are a handful of electric aircraft available, but with limited range and only a few seats.
Did you understand the vid? Er, no, you never.
@@johnburns4017 eh?
Manganese would be for the cathode to reduce costs and maintain capacity or maybe increase slightly. Also 800Whr/kg should lower costs if it only takes 0.25kg of materials to achieve the same energy capacity as a 200Wh/kg cell.
Rule of thumb, the goal is always cheaper and better using less, not four times better at twice the cost. Four time better means 1/4th the costs for same capacity to make business case. Of course half the costs would still work, but not double costs.
Amprius has sold batteries that deliver up to 450 Wh/kg since 2018. They are now building a second, much larger factory. In March 2023, Munro published a video about them.
Even if Japan has a battery with enormous energy density, they did say that these batteries will be used in their hybrids first.
They say it is to test the product further in the field so to speak, but to me it is to keep the ICE manufacturing sector alive somewhat longer.
Only talk when it is available in the market at affordable prices, not in the lab or under research and definitely no need if it is very expensive and unaffordable.
Its likely very hard to mass manufacture.
I hope to eventually swap out the 105 w/kg battery from my 2016 volt with a higher density battery. I get 3 to 4 mp kwh with the volt, carrying a low density battery and ICE. In summer this translates to a bit more than 50 miles of range. I think it’s reasonable to imagine a 200 mile range with a 400 w/kg battery. I hope the opportunity presents itself.
Could you do a video on battery safety?
There are numerous reports of Chinese EVs burning. A comparison to traditional gas cars would be useful.
There are a lot of fantastic technologies that have never made it out of labs due to suitability, scalability, and price. What is more important is the sheer amount of talent and resources that is being put into energy storage that is creating a knowledge base for research.
Another game changer from the viking😂
Did he say 820 Wh/Kg ??? That just gave me chills. You have my full attention.
Please always discuss battery LIFE when discussing battery CAPACITY. We have heard in the past that high capacity batteries often have very short lives in terms of cycles. Thank you.
If Japan has come up with 820Wh/kg batteries it really doesn't matter if they can not mass produce them. The one who is able to guarantee the quality and mass production with delivery even with 400Wh/kg...that is the one who wins. And the one who is able to do 400 will also be able to deliver 800 and more.
400 w / kg is not double the current 270 w / kg of a 2170 but still it's a good leap. 820 w /kg is mind blowing if it's real.
The battery may become smaller but the cooling system will have to grow to cover the heat output of a smaller four fold energy battery. Physics!
CATL condensed matter battery is actually 500wh/kg🙄
@@zorbakaput8537 less heat lost though that is partly how it is becoming more efficient. SO the problem has a positive feedback loop
I am looking forward to electric aviation, but electric jumbo jets available today? I don’t think so. Could you give us some model names?
the most impressive density capacity improvement I have seen is in the EVDI or Electric Viking Density Index which is easily calculated, with January 21 as the base, as being the number of Sam's game changing battery articles this month/those in the base month. current 10.7
This is based on research. This manganese anode IS NOT in production. Also there are concerns that Manganese dissolving into the solution. Not a fully proven product yet and not in production yet
he never said it was in production. Think before posting.
The battery is not the problem, it's the cost of electricity. In California, the cost of electricity is $0.43/KWH and going higher. If your EV gets 3.5 miles per KWH, that's $12.2 cents per mile. The cost of gasoline in California is $3.99/gallon and going down. If your Toyota hybrid gets 42 MPG (most do), that's &.095 per mile. I understand that prices for electricity and gasoline are much cheaper outside of California. Batteries are great, it's the cost of charging them that's the problem. BTW, during daylight hours, almost all electricity in California is from renewables and yet we have the highest costs in the nation.
The cost of gasoline in California is still a lot cheaper than anywhere in the UK!
@@jasoneldridge4738 I'd be curious to know what the cost of electricity/KWH is in your part of UK.
CATL has been working on this same technology for use in EV (4-wheelers) for quite some time already, so this is not new at all. LMO battery chemistry is one of the oldest lithium technologies, and have been extensively used in 2-wheelers and consumer goods.
10 years been hearing this shit. never seen one exist once.
Funny thing is, while Japan keeps on claiming that their *_stuff_* is coming along, any day now, China keeps on producing *_the stuff_*
they have hydrogen cars... 🤣🤣
Sam even with that energy density it’s not enough for a jumbo jet. Sure it will work for short haul, but for long haul flights you need at least a tens times greater energy density.
Every day, we hear of all sorts of breakthroughs in battery technology, but we see none of this going into mass production. Plus, we don't know what they are going to cost. For me, this is just another teaser announcement without any substance. On the other hand, if a Japanese company starts putting these into hybrids or EVs and they hold up without issues, then this would be a real achievement. But this is a research battery with no consequences for the current market.
They have to leap over two obstacles, they are cheaper and would last as many charge and discharge cycles as existing commercially produced batteries.
Some how, I think these 800 kWH batteries are still vapour ware.
We should be seeing them in applications that are not as sensitive to price and longevity by now if they exist.
For all of the talk of the problems with battery technology, I knew that technology would move forward.
Batteries keep their weight during flight, while Jet A-1 gets burned away. Electric aircraft thus need a much stronger structure and landing gear which males them uncompetitive for long haul flights.
I love the new battery tech. Imagine getting a solid 400-500mi of range while requiring LESS battery? The EV bears won't have much ammo left in a year or two.
Cost, longevity, charge rate, temperature sensitivity, fire safety, cell voltage, etc etc.? Where is the factory to make them in volume? It all matters, if you want to drive somewhere TODAY.
The pending release of a new battery from Japan is like 'new' revolutionary medical 'breakthroughs' .......it will be available in 10 years....if we're lucky. BYD keeps on giving.
wait...WHAT?!?! One can currently buy an electric jumbo jet? Noooooo, pal. You misspoke. 400 wh/kg batteries is the threshold to make small regional air-transport feasible. Larger and longer electric air transport is coming, but an electric jumbo jet? We're a LONGGGGGGGGGG way from that development in air travel.
True, although an electric hydrogen fuel cell jumbo jet could be made with current technology
Lets talk about this when they sell 1 million cars with these batteries in . Till then its all a bullshitto nonsense :)
Sam, good that you find info like this!
Also good that you say “maybe ten years”. Tesla would perhaps get it done in five years, if they had invented this.
Read the paper about it, and they still need to solve the manganese dissolution problem. So, it's going to be awhile before this gets into production...
The Chinese cars are serious competitors, but economics tends to balance things out. Right now, Chinese labour costs are really low helped by current exchange rates. But if Chinese auto makers are as successful as you predict then we should expect the yuan to appreciate making costs higher.
Game changer mate 👍
The japanese auto and battery industry are on life support. All legacy auto dying, Chinese are dominant in batteries. although the Koreans are trying.
Japan is just demonstrating class Dunning Kruger, when CATL and BYD talk Solid State they aren't talking about building them, they already know how, what CATL and BYD talk about are increasing charge cycles, reducing cost of production, metrics that's actually preventing mass commercial adoption.
I hope this is true because I would like to see the Japanese auto manufacturing industry survive.
Need to see reality prior to believing the story coming out of Japan.
Japan says... Well, until mess production, all bullshi
Why?
To be honest... I've seen hundreds of battery improvement video's over the last 10 years...
But they all turn out to be campaign material in order to gain funds.
Nothing really broke through.
Best part about extra range is extra battery life. Slower discharge and charge rates, and cycle life probably won't be a thing even.
Most people would not say electric powered airplanes are jets since they have propellors.
"Can buy" I would really like to be able to buy the CATL cells. I don´t even think they have published a data sheet yet? They are very hush about the exact characteristics of their condensed battery and the applications they are deploying them in, is more like a long time real world test. So let´s hope they´ll be available next year to buy as they promise!
everything is possible in the lab
Fusion power too.
When you have a great product, you sell it. When you are behind your competitors you sell FUD (Fear Uncertainly and Doubt). It is possible that one of these technologies will make it to market from Japan, but I am not going to hold my breath.
Even if they’re awesome on all aspects of the battery spider chart in a lab we probably still have to wait 5+ years to completely test them before they are put into high volume vehicles. These days I get excited about batteries that have been rigorously real world tested by independent companies and it’s about a year before they go into mass production of affordable electric vehicles. Probably only insiders and top Wall Street people get that information so THEY can get even richer.
Panasonic’s problem is none of the Japanese car companies are serious about EVs at the moment. On top of that their local source for battery grade, refined Lithium is China. I’m sure it’s a hard sell to local banks for investment without Toyota and the rest on board.
The Problem is "if they can ..." and it's the costs are ok and ....
Technology transition! At this density we can imagine way beyond EV applications. Homes, businesses, grids, emergency services, rural and remote, farm tractors and combines, mines, aircraft, shipping, military - what energy technology can make as much operational and economic sense as this?
And we know they're not going to stop research, development, commercialisation, scaling up now.
Well I've just invented a battery that has 2000 wh/kg, it'll change the world but it's top secret so I can't tell anyone about it
When it comes to Japan, I'll believe it when I see it. Vietnam has been waiting for its high speed rail for over ten years. Indonesia didn't fall for the hype that anything Japan is excellent. It instead chose China and started its high speed rail project years later than Vietnam. The Jakarta-Bandung high speed rail has been operating for a year now 🤣.
I would never again believe anything again coming out of Japan about EV. Their integrity is shit. They fell on their sword and have on life support. They cried wolf way too many times.
Why are we talking about this if it’s 10 years away and there isn’t even a prototype. How did we get here
Toyota has been saying "Next year ..." for so long, I now believe that we will see a "Mr. Fusion" on cars before Toyota gets their act together. But they will survive on the legendary reliability of their ...
WAIT. Did that truck engine EXPLODE?
Electric planes still have smaller passenger capacity and shorter range than the biggest/longest range jet fuel powered planes...
Jumbo jets are an area liquid hydrogen makes a lot of sense for
Commuter VTOL vehicles will be great though 😅
It kind of depends by far the largest weight of any commercial aircraft is the fuel it has to carry. This has such a bearing on the performance of the aircraft that fuel weight has to be considered for every takeoff and landing depending on the runway and the weather conditions. An electric powered alternative would have a static weight that doesn’t change.
@@ouethojlkjnwhich means it's max takeoff weight has to be the same as it's max landing weight. Normal aircraft can takeoff much heavier than they can land due to the stress on the landing gear.
Battery technology development is too dynamic…can’t decide which solution is better…continue using ICE until battery reach maturity
There are constant reports from Japan about new miracle batteries, but they are not being used in Japanese products. This may be due to the Japanese power grid, which is not prepared for the demands of e-mobility.
It’s just the usual made up staff like hydrogen cars. Something to keep the shareholders happy even though Toyota is the most indebted company in corporate history.
A secret game-changing battery - so secret it doesn't even exist yet - and probably never will. But if it does ever see the light of day, I hope Aptera buys some and makes a 3000-mile EV. Then somebody can cannonball an Aptera from coast to coast in the USA on one charge.
I just made a battery, the densest ever. It has anyone 2000 km range. I am planing to make another one next week: 3,000 km range.
Sam: With batteries for cars it is the cost that matters. Other options may be more dense but that only works if they buyer pays lest. For aerospace its a different calculation and for aerospace customers will pay if it makes financial sense
I have to wonder. If someone could produce lead-acid batteries or some other low density battery for super cheap, would it happen? I kind of doubt people would drive a car with half of it's volume filled with battery. Still a lot of use of the more expensive old batteries with Cadium despite LiPO4 types and Sodium.