A little warning for those who enable this via Wintoys on unsupported hardware: you better have a restore point first as you WILL get a neverending blue screen if you enable this. Not even safe mode will help.
Hi, you're doing the right thing. There are a lot of nasty things out there, so having extra protection on your computer is never wrong. Take care and have a lovely day.
Memory Integrity was something another channel told me to turn on ages ago, so I did and just forgot about it. I've never noticed anything so I just leave it.
I would love to use it. But I have a i5 14400 /ASRock 760m wi-Fi Riptide. After current Windows update I rebooted and had driver incompatibility error messages on reboot. It was all tied to Core Isolation settings, as well as Memory Integrity setting. When I turned it off I rebooted without issue. The main program incompatibility was ASROCK Phantom Game Tuning which includes Fan Curves. I'll stick to it off, I'd rather not have all the errors that come up after booting.
Thanks for this, I have just moved to Win 11 and was wondering what this was. I think a lot of "gamers" who might be complaining are often unaware of other things that can and do affect their gaming experience, and latch on to things like this to blame the "Big Bad Microsoft".
Yeah, I've tested this as well with similar results (using PresentMon). Looks to be just overhead that affects processing time, bandwidth, and access time. Depending on the game (like Fo76), it can introduce microstutters, which can be very noticeable. Games with more sophisticated engine architecture are less affected, however.
My 6700K and 3080TI dislike it on WIN10. Yep...I need to update 😢 Wanting to jump on Ryzen! Cheers for the vid, pretty much all within margin of error on modern stuff with the odd potential outlier, so very much worth having it on.
Hi Brian, thanks for the video. Yes, I have Core Isolation turned on in Windows. It's a great feature for added protection and enhanced security that is included in Core Isolation. But as you say, Brian, you can turn it off if it affects your computer when you play games and so on, but I also recommend keeping Core Isolation turned on in Windows. Take care Brian and I wish you a lovely Sunday evening. Greetings from Nils.
I'm not arguing with your premise that disabling these things will not increase your FPS because we both know it won't. I'm just saying that doesn't mean disabling these features will not improve your computers responsiveness and overall performance. For example if your a user an your on a low end machine and you disable these 2 settings an notice that after doing so your pc is now taking only 30 seconds to do what was previously taking 10 minutes to do that's an improvement. And once you've had that experience no one is going to be able to tell you that disabling those settings make no difference what so ever! This phenomanen makes it hard to steer users in the right direction.
I do get small fps hit when turned on. I ran it on the Black Myth Wukong benchmark and lost 1 frame. I got 44fps min when Core Isolation Protection was turned on and 55fps min when turned off. I think the main reason to turn it off I have heard of is that some hardware device drivers conflict with it. I think it was some exotic audio hardware.
Thanks for the video. Virtualization is a great anti-virus technique. I turned it on. I'm running Win 11 on 8G of ram. ... just switched from Win 10. I'm hoping that Win 11 uses Ram memory better. So far, so good.... Not sure about WSLg.. still have to try it.
I remember when I got my new PC a year ago I turned this feature on and played a single game with no impact, then I decided I was ready to play another game which was more of the fps kind and holly molly it was bad like 2 seconds per frame bad. I didn't understand what the issue was until I remembered the only thing that I changed was the enabling of Core Isolation Protection, I reverted it and voilà, no more stuttering. I don't have a potato that's for sure, so I don't know how the game it's impacted by this but I suspect that the game may be running something and this feature may be constantly checking what it's doing so the game cannot access smoothly the resources. Kind of like an antivirus checking a file before you open it, but in this case it is locking it from running until it's in the clear and then release it for every little change. So I don't think it's only old computers, there must be something else going on. I have a Ryzen 7 7700x 8-core processor, 16 logical processors, ASRock A620 Pro mobo, Radeon RX 7900 XT GPU, running Windows 11 Educational edition.
Try it on much older hardware like a ddr3 based xeon,amd pre ryzen build. If it does not cause chaos on a 10 year old plus setup from both Intel and amd than it may not be that bad.
I had to disable everything (even in the registers, switches didn't work) as it blocks VirtualBox virtualization and in emulated one KDE was unusable (short freezes, stuck keys, ...)
I'd have this turned on but there are incompatibilities with a certain driver and that driver belongs to Shadow Defender, a reboot to restore security solution I've been using for about 15 years. To turn core isolation on would mean I would need to stop using Shadow Defender, which isn't happening because Shadow Defender is the most important security software I use.
the problem is that you've tested gpu bound games. I have r5 7600 and with memory integrity off I have higher 1%lows on cpu bound games and no stuttering
Meanwhile in Linux..... everything runs in user mode and isolated child processes. "Core Isolation", trying to fix the fundamental root problems with Windows... why does 'everything' run as admin? ( yes both statements are a generalisation )
I would rather core isolation be on but unfortunately it prevents a commercial flight simulation hardware driver from working. No work arounds until the driver vendor updates to Win 11. Guess I could go back to Win 10…..
I think the biggest problem is people shooting their mouths off because they don't want to turn the feature off for game play on their outdated hardware but still want to play with the big kids...
Of course there's not. Turn it off completely and don't install garbage on your OS. If you're worried and easily scared then disable defender and install AV that turns itself off while gaming. Best things you can do is install custom OS made for maximum performance like ghost spectre for example, without defender if you want own AV.
Memory integrity prevents a lot of malware from being able to do its damage, you should always have it turned on and never install anything that wants you to turn it off
@@Britec09 literally nothing that an average, advance or even professional user would ever want to use needs to get that deep into the system. If it won't run with all the core isolation features enabled, it's malware. the tiny difference in framerates and loading speeds isn't worth opening up the deepest parts of your system to everything.
@@AlrekArinbjorn you do realize these things are invented for boomers who click every link, open every email, download all the obvious malware right. The same with AV. On how many things are you going to say that its not worth the few frames? when you lose 10.. 20? perhaps 30? It's obvious people want max performance for games, those should turn it off and don't use AV or at least have it off during that, if you don't install garbage on your system you don't need these things they made for 80 yo grandmas. If you don't know what you're doing or installing then you should get a console.
@@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU the days where you needed to be tricked into clicking on something to get malware are long gone. Most malware is delivered through zero-click exploits, look at the WannaCry ransomware and how that was able to run on the vast majority of systems, no clicking at all, you didn't even need to have anything open for it to happen. If your antivirus was a good one that actually works your system would be protected, if your antivirus was a shitty one like crowdstrike or norton, your system would be infected. A tiny difference in loading times or a tiny difference in framerates is not worth having your whole system toasted when you least expect it. All this horse-crap about framerates is definitely some kind of propaganda to get people to turn their security features off. No security on your system means that anyone can plant whatever they want on there. Always use a VPN, always use antivirus, always use all your core isolation features No, you won't lag with a VPN if it's a good VPN. Don't allow people you play games with to know where you are
No. I tried and it f**** up my performance hugely. Maybe more powerfull pcs can, but still Im not sure you want to sacrifice performance no matter what pc you have.
Yes, Brian. Running on a third-generation intel processor any virtualisation will seriously impair the performance of Windows on such hardware. However, I don't use my third gen for gaming. I just use Word Processing, DTP, and a little internet surfing. Were I gaming I would run a much more modern powerful processor and more RAM than by current 16GB machine. But then this video isn't really aimed at me, well not yet. However, it may be good to reference in the future.
in the real world no one will notice any difference in gameplay or fps, the only ones that will notice are those with the stats displayed in front of them and because it is there that 1 fps is the end of the world and makes the game unplayable 🤣
lol this wrong way to test this feature off and on because i always disable it from the bios which is tpm and trusted computing platform and what i noticed when its on i have 2 to 5ms increased latency of frame times while playing online games so i just disable it for better latency
Less someone is making 5 figures or more per year as a professional gamer, anything over 100FPS is plenty. The people that need higher than that are just being ridiculously overly competitive for no real reason. You might see more fluid game play in a competitive FPS shooter but just the human response time is orders of magnitude slower than even 100 FPS, then you have latency from all sources added in, etc. If you are playing games offline then 60 is plenty but, obviously 100 looks nicer. The 1% lows / min / average fps during a drop is what matters. I'd take 60 FPS steady all day long over 120fps average with periodic dips into the 60s. Those drops / stutters are infuriating.
The FPS is not everything. The responsiveness & InputLag tanks, the whole system feels heavy. For single player games that doesnt matter but many people play Online FPS Shooters where you need low latency& system responsiveness.
@@Britec09 back in 2015 i bought a top tier 5960x cpu (1050€) with 20mb l3 cache. 40 pcie lanes and 4mem channels. Clocked to 4.5 with a good 4x8 b-die kit was beating 10700k that came out 7 years later that had a lot lower mem bandwidth and just 16pcie lanes. In 2019 got a new rampage v edition 10 with 2x 2080tis ftw3 ultra hc (all in a custom loop) quite a lot of money build and that platform Microsoft is calling it old! Its bs. Not saying that all used top tier parts and still perform descent for today's standards but for those who did its a damn shame being categorized the same
A little warning for those who enable this via Wintoys on unsupported hardware: you better have a restore point first as you WILL get a neverending blue screen if you enable this. Not even safe mode will help.
I enable Core Isolation because I would rather have it on protecting my Pc rather than have the system compromised but I am not a gamer.
yeah, with Microsoft on your side you have nothing to worry about 😅
@@ChrisGR93_TxS sounds like a good reason to have it enabled. Do you disagree?
Hi, you're doing the right thing. There are a lot of nasty things out there, so having extra protection on your computer is never wrong. Take care and have a lovely day.
Leave it enabled
Thanks a lot Brian. I'll leave mine as it is. I hope you have a great week.
Thanks, you to
Memory Integrity was something another channel told me to turn on ages ago, so I did and just forgot about it. I've never noticed anything so I just leave it.
Same
I would love to use it. But I have a i5 14400 /ASRock 760m wi-Fi Riptide. After current Windows update I rebooted and had driver incompatibility error messages on reboot. It was all tied to Core Isolation settings, as well as Memory Integrity setting.
When I turned it off I rebooted without issue. The main program incompatibility was ASROCK Phantom Game Tuning which includes Fan Curves. I'll stick to it off, I'd rather not have all the errors that come up after booting.
Thanks for this, I have just moved to Win 11 and was wondering what this was. I think a lot of "gamers" who might be complaining are often unaware of other things that can and do affect their gaming experience, and latch on to things like this to blame the "Big Bad Microsoft".
Yeah, I've tested this as well with similar results (using PresentMon). Looks to be just overhead that affects processing time, bandwidth, and access time. Depending on the game (like Fo76), it can introduce microstutters, which can be very noticeable. Games with more sophisticated engine architecture are less affected, however.
My 6700K and 3080TI dislike it on WIN10. Yep...I need to update 😢 Wanting to jump on Ryzen! Cheers for the vid, pretty much all within margin of error on modern stuff with the odd potential outlier, so very much worth having it on.
Hi Brian, thanks for the video. Yes, I have Core Isolation turned on in Windows. It's a great feature for added protection and enhanced security that is included in Core Isolation. But as you say, Brian, you can turn it off if it affects your computer when you play games and so on, but I also recommend keeping Core Isolation turned on in Windows. Take care Brian and I wish you a lovely Sunday evening. Greetings from Nils.
Thanks, you to
I'm not arguing with your premise that disabling these things will not increase your FPS because we both know it won't. I'm just saying that doesn't mean disabling these features will not improve your computers responsiveness and overall performance. For example if your a user an your on a low end machine and you disable these 2 settings an notice that after doing so your pc is now taking only 30 seconds to do what was previously taking 10 minutes to do that's an improvement. And once you've had that experience no one is going to be able to tell you that disabling those settings make no difference what so ever! This phenomanen makes it hard to steer users in the right direction.
I do get small fps hit when turned on. I ran it on the Black Myth Wukong benchmark and lost 1 frame. I got 44fps min when Core Isolation Protection was turned on and 55fps min when turned off.
I think the main reason to turn it off I have heard of is that some hardware device drivers conflict with it. I think it was some exotic audio hardware.
thanks for the video, i did not even know about these settings.
Glad I could help
Thanks for the video. Virtualization is a great anti-virus technique. I turned it on.
I'm running Win 11 on 8G of ram. ... just switched from Win 10. I'm hoping that Win 11 uses Ram memory better. So far, so good.... Not sure about WSLg.. still have to try it.
I remember when I got my new PC a year ago I turned this feature on and played a single game with no impact, then I decided I was ready to play another game which was more of the fps kind and holly molly it was bad like 2 seconds per frame bad. I didn't understand what the issue was until I remembered the only thing that I changed was the enabling of Core Isolation Protection, I reverted it and voilà, no more stuttering. I don't have a potato that's for sure, so I don't know how the game it's impacted by this but I suspect that the game may be running something and this feature may be constantly checking what it's doing so the game cannot access smoothly the resources. Kind of like an antivirus checking a file before you open it, but in this case it is locking it from running until it's in the clear and then release it for every little change.
So I don't think it's only old computers, there must be something else going on. I have a Ryzen 7 7700x 8-core processor, 16 logical processors, ASRock A620 Pro mobo, Radeon RX 7900 XT GPU, running Windows 11 Educational edition.
Try it on much older hardware like a ddr3 based xeon,amd pre ryzen build. If it does not cause chaos on a 10 year old plus setup from both Intel and amd than it may not be that bad.
I had to disable everything (even in the registers, switches didn't work) as it blocks VirtualBox virtualization and in emulated one KDE was unusable (short freezes, stuck keys, ...)
I'd have this turned on but there are incompatibilities with a certain driver and that driver belongs to Shadow Defender, a reboot to restore security solution I've been using for about 15 years. To turn core isolation on would mean I would need to stop using Shadow Defender, which isn't happening because Shadow Defender is the most important security software I use.
You spoke of other games after Tomb Raider, but you didn't change the image with stats.
In all honesty with such negligible numbers, testing 1% lows would be more relevant & to see if this would have any bearing on them?
the problem is that you've tested gpu bound games. I have r5 7600 and with memory integrity off I have higher 1%lows on cpu bound games and no stuttering
Meanwhile in Linux..... everything runs in user mode and isolated child processes. "Core Isolation", trying to fix the fundamental root problems with Windows... why does 'everything' run as admin?
( yes both statements are a generalisation )
If you run something like VirtualBox, my understanding is that core protection has to be off.
I run VirtualBox VMs every day and I have memory integrity and core isolation and all of those settings turned on, strange lol
I think is the android emulator like bluestack.. Not virtualbox..
Most systems can’t do this. They always say check drivers but never list them.
Thank you, Brian.
My pleasure!
Stay safe Brian
If you like to OC you cannot use the Intel or ASUS software while in Windows.
I would rather core isolation be on but unfortunately it prevents a commercial flight simulation hardware driver from working. No work arounds until the driver vendor updates to Win 11. Guess I could go back to Win 10…..
now i get it thanks for another good video
You're welcome
But on other big channel , Hardware Unboxed they show big diference on this!!
All well and good but is protection not better than a SMALL bit of FPS?
I think the biggest problem is people shooting their mouths off because they don't want to turn the feature off for game play on their outdated hardware but still want to play with the big kids...
It's not gonna make or break anything, but even Microsoft is saying that it will improve performance.
I would NEVER EVER sacrifice protection for speed, wgf about speed if you're system is wide open??
windows 10 has that setting turned off by default and still, you have survived.
Also is there a way to turn on/off these features with a desktop shortcut or a command?
Of course there's not. Turn it off completely and don't install garbage on your OS. If you're worried and easily scared then disable defender and install AV that turns itself off while gaming. Best things you can do is install custom OS made for maximum performance like ghost spectre for example, without defender if you want own AV.
I have too many needed drivers that are not compatible so it's off.
Valid point
always on and more now than ever. some games like the malware game (valorant) need to be on to be use also
How much does BITLOCKER affect performance ?? 🤔
Memory integrity prevents a lot of malware from being able to do its damage, you should always have it turned on and never install anything that wants you to turn it off
I agree
@@Britec09 literally nothing that an average, advance or even professional user would ever want to use needs to get that deep into the system. If it won't run with all the core isolation features enabled, it's malware. the tiny difference in framerates and loading speeds isn't worth opening up the deepest parts of your system to everything.
@@AlrekArinbjorn you do realize these things are invented for boomers who click every link, open every email, download all the obvious malware right. The same with AV. On how many things are you going to say that its not worth the few frames? when you lose 10.. 20? perhaps 30? It's obvious people want max performance for games, those should turn it off and don't use AV or at least have it off during that, if you don't install garbage on your system you don't need these things they made for 80 yo grandmas. If you don't know what you're doing or installing then you should get a console.
@@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU the days where you needed to be tricked into clicking on something to get malware are long gone. Most malware is delivered through zero-click exploits, look at the WannaCry ransomware and how that was able to run on the vast majority of systems, no clicking at all, you didn't even need to have anything open for it to happen. If your antivirus was a good one that actually works your system would be protected, if your antivirus was a shitty one like crowdstrike or norton, your system would be infected.
A tiny difference in loading times or a tiny difference in framerates is not worth having your whole system toasted when you least expect it.
All this horse-crap about framerates is definitely some kind of propaganda to get people to turn their security features off. No security on your system means that anyone can plant whatever they want on there. Always use a VPN, always use antivirus, always use all your core isolation features
No, you won't lag with a VPN if it's a good VPN. Don't allow people you play games with to know where you are
No. I tried and it f**** up my performance hugely. Maybe more powerfull pcs can, but still Im not sure you want to sacrifice performance no matter what pc you have.
I tried turning in on but it keeps saying my TV card's driver ( (Hauppauge) is incompatible
Yeah, that can be a issue.
My Logitech drivers are incompatible with Memory integrity
Yeah, I came across that. I'd had a Logitech joystick and gave it away and it took me ages to locate and delete the offending driver.
@@rogerbowen5753 I have a Logitech mouse, keyboard, and webcam, so I just leave it turned off.
Yes, Brian. Running on a third-generation intel processor any virtualisation will seriously impair the performance of Windows on such hardware. However, I don't use my third gen for gaming. I just use Word Processing, DTP, and a little internet surfing.
Were I gaming I would run a much more modern powerful processor and more RAM than by current 16GB machine.
But then this video isn't really aimed at me, well not yet. However, it may be good to reference in the future.
All I want is safe operating system without spyware and bloatware.
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does not like the intel cpu driver igdkmd64.sys?
e il primo sito dove c e anche l assicurazione sui depositi
sorry bothering anyone, but how do you get this start menu layout? is this a mod, with this tabs and colorscheme its kinda nice?@0:03
@majorschlemihl4550 It’s Start11. Brian already did a in depth video on it. I’m using it, it’s very good.
@@PhD63 thank you!
@@majorschlemihl4550 👍
in the real world no one will notice any difference in gameplay or fps, the only ones that will notice are those with the stats displayed in front of them and because it is there that 1 fps is the end of the world and makes the game unplayable 🤣
I agree
Is the default on or off ?
Hopefully this is now the last on this subject 🤔
lol this wrong way to test this feature off and on because i always disable it from the bios which is tpm and trusted computing platform and what i noticed when its on i have 2 to 5ms increased latency of frame times while playing online games so i just disable it for better latency
PUBG won't run if the Core Isolation Protection is on, so I turned it off and PUBG will run, idk some other games have same issues as PUBG too
Less someone is making 5 figures or more per year as a professional gamer, anything over 100FPS is plenty. The people that need higher than that are just being ridiculously overly competitive for no real reason.
You might see more fluid game play in a competitive FPS shooter but just the human response time is orders of magnitude slower than even 100 FPS, then you have latency from all sources added in, etc.
If you are playing games offline then 60 is plenty but, obviously 100 looks nicer.
The 1% lows / min / average fps during a drop is what matters.
I'd take 60 FPS steady all day long over 120fps average with periodic dips into the 60s. Those drops / stutters are infuriating.
Thanks for sharing
I was going to check to see if this was on or off while watching the video until I realized I was using my Linux PC... 😂
Maybe because that's all your pc is cable of running, Linux
@@Britec09do you have something against Linux? I find it way better for gaming and other stuff i do👍🏻
If you're gaming on a 5 or 10 year old system then this would be an issue
No difference for me on a Ryzen9 7945HX,
This option isn't even in my windows11
Unsupported Hardware?
you should get ghost spectre or linux, problem solved
Just stick to Windows 10 then you dont have all these problems.
I thought core isolation was on Windows 10?
@@Britec09 It is off by default Brian.
A driver prevented it being installed. Device driver of some type prevented. Vague
i didn't know that Microsoft started supporting again 3rd gen intel platforms. I thought you needed an 8th gen and later 😂
I not have such option in my windows 11 like you , so is meaningless!
The FPS is not everything. The responsiveness & InputLag tanks, the whole system feels heavy. For single player games that doesnt matter but many people play Online FPS Shooters where you need low latency& system responsiveness.
I disable this, since it is required to undervolt your cpu which I value far more than this shit ms protection
yeah apparently the slower your pc runs the more protected you're 😂
Its people still trying to use 15 year old computers in 2024 and then blame Microsoft for adding Hardware Requirements to Windows 11
@@Britec09 back in 2015 i bought a top tier 5960x cpu (1050€) with 20mb l3 cache. 40 pcie lanes and 4mem channels.
Clocked to 4.5 with a good 4x8 b-die kit was beating 10700k that came out 7 years later that had a lot lower mem bandwidth and just 16pcie lanes.
In 2019 got a new rampage v edition 10 with 2x 2080tis ftw3 ultra hc (all in a custom loop) quite a lot of money build and that platform Microsoft is calling it old!
Its bs.
Not saying that all used top tier parts and still perform descent for today's standards but for those who did its a damn shame being categorized the same
This guy talks too much!
Real business start at 5:31
Batter turn as much microsoft bullshit of as possjble. It alssys kilo's my PC performance. Also beter turn off atomatic updates.
Don't forget to turn off windows defender or any other antivirus software and disable firewall as well if you want maximum performance 😂