Top tier takes a surprising amount of skill tbh especially situational awareness. You could have the best plane with the best missiles, and still underperform if you don't keep your head on a swivel in the initial furball.
@@stoyantodorov2133 True there games where I’ll be on my phone half the time and die immediately, even in the f16 yesterday and games where you absolutely clap when ur concentrated
Yup. They should limit all previous planes to 7/8gs max to be as realistic as this limiter in f16 xD And make su25 to break in half at 7g's but it's bad for russian planes :/
@@adrianstachowski9422 personally i’d just like the limiter removed, i understand they let other jets pull more for gameplay purposes but it makes no sense to limit 1 plane to its “realistic” G pull… it’s just a nerf at that point
@@maverickjhett they could also put limiters on the other planes mig 21 i believe was only able to pull 8.2g and f5 7.6g its been a while since i had a discussion about the ridiculous g planes can pull in this game
@@colejones594 they wont, they let planes pull 1.5x more G for gameplay purposes, which is understandable (nobody want to only pull 6Gs in a phantom). but they shouldn’t apply limitations to certain aircraft
@@JackIsMe1993 Ridiculous. 10.3 is a whole nother story though. To be moved to 11.3 after they've made back 500% of the cost to develop the in-game model.
People will still bitch and moan about "high speed compression" because those planes are also limited to 8-9g. in before "the f22 flies like an f104!" Just stop turn fighting at mach 1 smh
It's because the FBW system limits G-pull to 9Gs The problem is that war thunder has a dumb G system that allows you to pull 15gs, and that is largely because of the control scheme where everyone uses arrow keys with 100% pitch or nothing.
With a joystick you can control your rate of pitch, but with arrow keys it's all or nothing. This worked ok with props, and even with compressing first gen jets. But with high AOA capable fighters there is no limit to your pitch at high speeds; you need to be able to control your pitch rate, but the control scheme makes it extremely difficult. Instead of finding some way to fix this, Gaijin just allows you to pull stupid Gs, along with the tiny maps this is a big part of why top tier air RB is so broken and unrealistic. Now though with the introduction FBW jets, this problem is catching up with them. The question is whether they will finally fix the G and M&KB control system, or they will take the lazy option and just get rid of FBW G-limits.
so is the ASA actually better than the f16? it accels better, pulls more g's, (11gs) (pulls 16gs in a snaproll) higher top speed, turns roughly the same, has better sarhs (faster, pulls more), lower br, but has less aim9ls, and a slightly worse radar
The AIM-9Ls got secretly nerfed. The flare resistance is basically 0 now. They get flared 99% of the time now. The ADF went into service in 1989 and carried AIM-9Ms, AIM120s, and AIM-7Ms. Let the MiG29 get the R73 and give the F16s the AIM-9Ms.
The ADF also had the 66A radar (edit: in real life, currently has the wrong standard 66 radar in game) which was upgraded over the standard 66 radar to give it better Look Down, Shoot Down tracking for the new inverses pulsed seeker on the AIM-7M.
Idk about that, 9Ls are still the exact same stat wise according to the datamines. Unless they did some trickery server side, there is no indication they got nerfed. They were always easy to flare in front/side aspect and a bit harder in rear. I guess people are just abusing and overestimating its front aspect lock ability a bit too much. Especially now that many more planes got access to 9Ls people are also more aware of them in headons.
Yes, this thing does fly like an F 104 at high speeds... but it can absolutely bleed its speed and dogfight pretty much anything. Just pop the air break, turn your throttle to 0%, and turn. You can fight basically anything and it turns amazing! Plus, it's not as costly to lose your speed, because it picks it right back up again. I mean, a mig 21 jumped me outta nowhere when I was at like mach 1.15, went head-on, dodged, popped the air break, throttled back to 0, turned around and EASILY turned inside his circle and gunned him down. Then proceeded to be back at mach 1.15 in like 15 seconds. Don't be afraid to lose speed to dogfight (unless there are enemies closing in obviously).
Yup, and since you can't pull a hairpin turn at max speed you'll keep your speed always until you pop the airbrake. It's actually a bit of an advantage in many ways, especially the worse of a pilot you are. It's still ridiculous to have only one plane limited in this way.
It's pretty crazy to see that the performance of planes have become so good that Gaijin forces people to fly with realistic parameters. The issue is that people have gotten used to flying in ways that break both the pilot and the plane that these extremely maneuverable planes feel gimped.
I'm honestly having a hard time deciding which plane is better. 9Ls are harder to flare, but they still get flared basically just as consistently as my R60Ms for me, except by omega hot planes like an F14. (They definitely seem nerfed a little bit compared to last update). I found the R27Rs more consistent than the Sparrows, but the MiG-29 radar is definitely MUCH more of a pain in the ass to deal with. Once you get a radar lock they're very comparable, but the 29's ACM mode is so infinitely worse.
youtube is recommending me your videos right after uploading, it's so good to -be European- live in the European Union. Thank you Doof for letting us see how top tier is going now. Edited cause "being european" sounds sus.
fun fact the chinese F-16 has 2x more pops on mixed than every other F-16 it gets 90 flares, and 60 of them drop 2 flares 2 chaff for 15 pops and the last 30 drop 1 by 1 ( 1 flare 1 chaff ) for 15 more pops, for a total of 30 pops on mixed
There are only three fighters that *might* be able to outrate the F-16 at low alt: the F-22, SU-57, and Eurofighter typhoon. It's just a phenomenal plane at ripping around the circle quickly. This thing should consistently beat the Mig-29 in two-circle fights when flown between 750-830kph, though I'd be surprised if that works in game. It is actually a problem of the F-16 that it retains energy well enough that the massive engine will accelerate the plane beyond ideal turning speeds in dogfights. Gotta cut the burner sometimes
the fix is to limit snap G's on pilots. A sudden onset 12-13g pull like everyone does in WT all the time will instantly induce GLOC, and on many airframes it'll just snap the wings off. 9.5G's is the correct fcs limit for the F-16 and an expert pilot should be able to sustain this for 30s without blacking out. The F-16's reclined seat should afford the pilot +1g of tolerance. Nobody dogfights at 1000 kph. BFM happens at like 500-800 kph.
the problem here is that you have these two with realistic G limit fighting old aircraft capable of pulling 14g+ ... they have to enforce realistic G limits for ALL aircraft or keep the previous 1.5 times the g limit rule every other plane uses
i love your content even got myself a decal id like to see a series of videos focusing on the unique/ awkward fights in ground RB when you spawn as air
DEFYN,by what looks like the F16A fly-by-wire system is modeled with the instrutor,because apparently the turning capacity is capped to 9G and a bit of 10G for stability and safety in high AoA and speeds,and because of that and you NEED to pull the airbrake out to try to pull as much as 10G honestly the gaijin should have done some way to disable the fly by wire for "abusing" much more of the potential from F16 even with the risk of blowing up your wings off
I believe the AoA limit of 29 units can be overriden by a button (on bl10 and later) but the G limit is fairly hard. The reality is every other jet in game is pulling too hard rn because pilot g tolerance for instantaneous pulls is absurd. The 9.5g limit exists to prevent Gloc and should be an advantage not a hindrance.
The issue exists more with others planes in warthunder being able to pull 14gs for no reason, needs to be limited on all to 6-9Gs depending on aircraft. People have no concept of the fact that dogfights dont happen at mach 1.3
@@TheAmazingchickens Gaijin apparently doesn't want the gameplay to be full on realistic. If it was very few props would be pulling more than 6-7Gs. However most every prop fighter being able to pull 10+Gs means that US props and 190s are nerfed by this. Fairly notably too. The F-16 gets a similar nerf where everything else is benefiting from unrealistic elevator pull. The technical fix would be to just straight up nerf what the in game 'pilot' can pull to be more representative of what an actual human pilot can do. However most players likely wouldn't like that. Imagine everything pulling something similar to what the Hornet currently does. My bigger issue with this is that certain aircraft are getting nerfed by these adjustments unfairly. The problem is that there isn't a way to really buff them without getting even more ridiculous.
The stuff you said about plane performance not mattering is why I just stopped trying to do anything related to top tier. I like small scale dogfights where you can carry against the odds and top tier just doesn't have that, or at least a lot less of it.
With how f 16s work right now, ironically F4 EJ kai seems like a better choice, if you gonna missile trucking anyways why not choose plane with more of those missiles instead
Aim-7M should have the same kind of seeker as the Skyflash, not sure if it's implemented or not though but it's almost impossible to notch, this isn't the case with the F on the EJ kai.
Well, from what I heard the seeker should have better low alt performance, and from the few times an F-16 got me that low, the missile tracked pretty well, morr than the F would
It’s sad to see how many people golden wiggled there way to these rank 8 jets. I really thought it wouldn’t happen and I’d say MLD’s and tomcats but boy half the teams seem to be wallet warriors now
I’m lvl 91 and have all of Great Britain researched and I got the ML to grind Russia. I wouldn’t blame the people but I would blame war thunder for allowing you to do it. If someone wants to spend their money on something they enjoy there is nothing wrong with it to me. Plus I didn’t do too bad in the mig-23ml at top tier when I played. There does need some balancing to the game though.
9.3 is even worse buddy. Theres like 3-4 tech tree planes out of 12 on average. The rest are Harriers, A-10s, Frogfoots and Su-7s with a little A-6 and A-5 sprinkled on top.
Oh no, Tornado is next, can't bellieve you actually going trought this pain. Well, i hope you will do some nice medium tier plane after this to recuperate. Anyway, nice showcase of F-16 capabilities and your own skill, have a great day. Also, a question - does your experience say that new top tier jets are good but not broken on it's own, or they are really broken and you just don't state it blatantly?
war thunder's game engine isn't able to model multiple stages of WEP; for example, even on things like the P-51H, ~92% power is "military," 100% is "dry WEP," and WEP is just WEP with water injection.
@@fexilsehn6445 sure it is, the multiple stages just isnt handled by the GUI. Most jets i have are implemented with 2 stage afterburners, Its very finicky to engage stage 1, you need to be at 100% engibe power and throttle up with the scroll wheel one single tick.
@@AttiliusRex that's not them implementing different stages of afterburner, that's just afterburner being modeled as 110% throttle so you can scroll to intermediate values
They should honestly cap toptier at like 6-8 people per team and make people spawn on different airfields. Modern jets werent meant to fight like in ace combat where there are bandits in every which direction you look.
This plane should have the best flight performance in the game. MiG-29 can insta-turn harder and one-circle, but F-16 should win rate-fight, and still insta-turn really hard. Flight model is broken is what this means
It is extremely maneuverable. Gajin is applying its written into the real life FBW control system 9G limit. Other aircraft are benefiting from superhumans in the cockpit that are capable of pulling way more than what is humanly possible. It isn't that the F-16 is nerfed or being made unmaneuverable. The accurate way to look at the scenario is to notice how overbuffed everything else is maneuverability wise relative to what they should be because of the superhuman ability to pull. For example most prop fighters shouldn't be able to pull more than 6-7Gs yet almost every one can pull 9-10Gs. This has also nerfed many American fighters and 190s in the same way that the F-16 has been handicapped as they should be better in terms of high speed handling than pretty much every other fighter out there but that isn't represented in game for the same reason.
@@rainsilent if other planes in game can pull insanely well, then a fighter like the F-16 should be made to pull even more to compensate. The F-16 after all was built to be very maneuverable
Hey Defyn. Would you ever consider doing 1v1 or 2v2 tournaments? I think it woulf be really interesting to watch as well as you could showcase some of the flying style when fighting with that particular plane
I thought people were exaggerating when they said that the F-16 handles like a F-104 and i thought its just the FBW system that limits the pull to 9G but when i finally flew it i understood what they meant. The flight model is botched no 2 ways about it. The F-16 is limited by FBW to 8G but can get short bursts of 9G but in WT it simply doesn't turn right. At 700-800km it should be turning like a zero and in game it turns like a F-104 with critted wings. The one thing i noticed is that instead of turning performance being based on IAS, its based on whether the afterburner is on or off. Also botched is the AIM-7M. Instead of a significant upgrade over the AIm-7F, its more of a nerfed version.
Also from what I heard the aim 7m is a aim 7f at its core but the aim 7f has a better seeker and there was something else 8 forgot ehat it was but all I know is the new seeker in the aim 7m is just more chaff resistant
@@kynanledee5089 i see but thats what i just read up so the aim 7m is just a aim 7f at the core but just a better seeker head so idk if war thunder will implement that small change
15.40 "....and if there is no teammates to help you...." and you see in the kill feed that EJ killing the friendly F-14 just at the moment you said it! Highlight moment right there!
I noticed you jettison your sparrows a few times, you think it gives a big enough flight performance increase to justify giving up the potential utility?
@@LewisB3217 False, the statcard may say that you lose only a few km/h but the pact on acceleration is pretty big. Noticed it especially after getting the F14
I should have waited for both of these videos to come out (F-16 and Mig-29) but I made the worst mistake of my life and is spend my day off (tuesday) grinding the mig-29 only to see 6 enemy f-16s vs only me in mig-29, and they focus you down and I'm stock with only R-60s (not even R-60Ms) I played 20 matches before I gave up and went to grind f-16 and there I was, happy and a feeling of "safety" as I was never 1v10 because "Russian teams" don't know how to play together and half of them die to radar at start of the match... What a horrible experience I had in such a short amount of time Jesus Christ... Thanks for the content DEFYN
remember when gaijin added tghe magic 2 AND PL-8 on the dev back when the Mirage F-1 came out.....yea to this day the J-7E and J-8B still havent gotten them.... (the J-7E was literally developed cuz the missile was a bit too heavy for the other J-7 variants)
Well they’re all the same, and completely useless. According to my test flights Gaijin probably haven’t even modeled any increase in maneuverbility with the wings fully retracted vs fully extended. No matter the speed it’s going to get shafted by even an early phantom with full bomb load or a buccaneer in maneuverbility. (I know it isn’t a turn fighter but it seriously cannot be that bad.) the only thing it has going for it is that it’s bloody fast, it just seriously won’t lose speed in full burner, and the speed you lose you’ll get back in no time
@@onelyone6976 here's the thing. The German one has superior engines, but the British one (I can't talk about how the German one performs really but the X-ray shows its got a pair of far better engines) underperforms horribly. The engines are the garbage ones, the flaps and slats aren't correct, the top speed is incorrect, basically Gaijin have gimped it. I can't speak for the German one particularly but I can't imagine it's much better. They're not even fast enough that's the problem, I struggle to reach mach 1 with tanks and bombs meanwhile some MiG-29 or F-16 is outrunning me or closing in on my 200kph faster than me. It's such a worthless vehicle.
@@firestarteronyoutube5542 okay did not know the German one has better engines, I test flew the german one because that's the tornado I have access to. I am myself a British main when playing but haven't played for up to half a year partly my craptop barely runs the game and partly because I don't even have enough space on the SSD
@@gansior4744 I,m talking about live server though. The Brit one was the only one available on the Dev Server hence the coverage but there appears to be little to no coverage post launch
Supposedly It's not compression at high speeds it's the jets G limiter kicking into effect Do you think a G limiter should be on all modern jets like the F16?
It should be on all modern jets that had it. Mig-29, Su-27 has a soft 8g limiter overridable to direct control. F/A-18 has a soft 7.5g limit with paddle override up to 10. F-14/F-15 have no limiter but give overload warning at 7.5g and 9g respectively. All these numbers with AA stores only. Bombs and external fuel will reduce the limits in most cases.
@@appa609 The problem is that planes that dont have it in warthunder can in some scenarios sustain 11-12 G pull for multiple seconds without GLOC and thats just absurd.
Here's a video idea: How to fight against F-16s in your BR 10.7 F104G I haven't tried, but I bet it goes something like this: Fly near F-16, try to flare and dodge, fail, get slammed. Back to hangar we go.
It compress to much when it shouldn't, it doesn't take much common sense to realise this, and there is literally cockpit and HUD videos out there where the f16 is doing 450 knots and it still Turning really fucking good. I hope to god the improve its maneuverability at higher speeds as the way its performing at the moment is completely and utter bullshit.
@televisio86 that's irl, in war thunder u can pull 11 to 12 sustained, so think of it as 12 being 9 in irl, and 9 to 10 g's being 7.5, just think about it like that for a sec
Why do people call it compressed FFS. It's not compressing at all, simply limited by FBW. Also 450 kts is bellow mach 1 and around 850kph to be exact which in game turn performance is great. IRL 400-430 kts is where it turns best and can achieve its highest STR.
@@Xrdyls Phantom doesn't have FBW with a hard coded 9G limit that the pilot can't bypass. It has a superhuman at the controls that is capable of pulling more than a human can. Virtually every fighter in the game is benefiting from that to various degrees. Funnily enough a number of American props and the 190s also suffer from a similar problem brought about by the superhuman pilots.
@@aaronbowe9523 The thing is that it shouldn't, Gaijin for some reason put in the fly by wire limiters when other planes don't have any consequences for going all out. Gaijin just realized these planes perform too much better than the current jets and then ruined the performance instead.
Can't remember who ,but was on youtube. A real F14 pilote when he tried an F16 for the first time said the same thing. When F16 get up to speed it doesn't pull. You are forced to lose speed. Otherwise the commands won't let you pull as you'd like to. So... seems accurate.
@Dingle P-51s don't have a FBW system with a coded in G limiter though. That is the difference. Also if most things were limited to realistic human capabilities most everything in game would be limited to 6-7Gs in turns with G-suit aircraft the only ones able to sustain 6+ for any really meaningful duration. Imagine most every prop fighter handling like the Hornet. Gaijin doesn't think most players would enjoy that. The ironic thing about what you said is that the P-51, a number of other US prop fighters and the 190s are negatively impacted by this as well as one of their major historical performance advantages (their ability to pull higher Gs at higher speeds) is essentially gone.
@Dingle Everything I said is relevant. I explained what Gaijin is doing with the other aircraft and why they are able to pull more than they should be. Gaijin is sticking to what they have been. They don't allow vehicles to bypass hard coded limits chosen by the designers. The 9G limit is hard coded into the FBW system. There is no way around it. This is something that they have been following with a number of ground vehicles too. Is it silly? One could easily argue yes. Personally I think the issue isn't that they aren't letting select vehicles pass hard limits set by designers. I think it is the degree of superhuman strength that aircraft can pull.
sure, thing is IRL the F-4 was limited to 7.5 Gs and MiG-23 to 8.5 ... and ingame F-4 can pull 12G+ and 23 14G+ ... you cant have more modern jets designed to pull MORE than legacy designs to be limited while you allow old birds to pull way more than what they were specced to... thats total nonsense
@@Asghaad if you wanna go back to the good old days when F86 was breaking it's wing in the slightest turn be my guest. If you pull as hard as you want in the F16 at 1200 kph, it will either break instantly, or break the game cause it will outurn everything that exist including missiles.
@@anttila674 yeah fr. We all know that it wouldn’t break them a lot too. I understand that my wings will break if I do a hard turn, but please let me do the hard turn 🤣
this is phantom moment, when they nerfed it's fm after dev only gave it back for f4e now what, we need to wait for later f-16 for it to turn normally? ...
@@Omen09 To say what was said in reply in a more clear way the 9G limit is hard code in the FBW system of the F-16. There isn't a way to bypass it. Other jets get the benefit of the superhuman in the cockpit that can pull way more than a human can. This is an issue in props as well as many American prop fighters and the 190s have lost what should be a high speed handling advantage over other contemporaries. Most props should be stopping at 6-7Gs due to human limits like the Hornet does. Instead they are capable of going to their structural limits.
The only reason EC map matches are longer is because of the longer time to travel to the fight. The fight itself is still mostly a furball which takes place in the middle of the map and takes no longer than on a normal map, you just fly for 10 minutes to get there
I think a big issue is that a plane built around BVR is stuck in a game that *can't* allow BVR because of compression. If you start the match from 80km away, with missiles designed to fight at that range, the fuck is a 10.7 even going to do?
ok, ok, but where's the R-27ET or ER? huh? Or how about the nerfed to hell R-73? US doesn't need anything else, they are already dominating, how about give other nations something to actually be competitive? Oh wait, no US mains will just cry and cry until no one else can have shit other than the US mains.
i do wanna ask why you put ADV when it isnt the F16A-ADV its the F16A-ADF for the national guard its the Air Defence Fighter hence why it was given sparrows due to there requirement ?
All the planes can pull much higher g's than their airframe could handle irl (14g for f5, 12g for f14 f. e.) but the f16 is the only plane with realistic g limiter for some weird reason xD
Hey Defyn, Love your vieods too. I would ask a personal preference of yours, which one is better in your aspect f16 block, f 16 ADF and Mig 29. I would be happy if you put to answer CAS and Air RB
Why are these WT players so dumb? They complain that they're too fast while running full ab and run full fuel with a drop tank to get the endurance... These matches last like 10m you're fine with 20m fuel and cruise at mil power. Your plane will perform much better, you'll overspeed less, your IR signature will be less.
@DEFYN should top tier (6 or 7 to 8) be restricted to 5v5 Or similar? Would be happy to see a video on the question just explaining your thoughts, how to make toptier less noobfriendly.
@@ofcefcipu yes but with a more fair chance to suceed if you fly well, proficient pilots will no longer suffer a loss even tho they scored an ace. I have lost top tier matches with 6 kills and me being defeated in a 3v1 (or more) meaning my entire team got 1 kill. Should it have been a 5v5, I would have been left in (yes still very difficult, but less so) 4v1 if my whole team dies with 1 kill scored between them. But you are probably right though, the SL rewards at toptier are pretty lackluster.
@@ofcefcipu you may be right, but gaijin also said AA mssiles and supersonic jets would never make it into WT, but after alot of work they did. But it's questionablr if its prifitable to improve toptier, since they probably make the most money of dimwitted level 4 creditcard players buying jets they cant fly whether it be 5v5 or 12v12
I personally will still play the A variant ngl. I just feel like using sparrows is gonna get me killed even faster sometimes so I would prefer using 9l a more fire and forget missile.
They managed to make the deadliest dogfighter ever made by the US Military into a slightly worse F-104 😂😂 I’m willing to bet that the Mig-29 feels like a proper 4th gen fighter tho and can confidently destroy any jet it comes across no problem 🤷🏽♂️ bc you know…it’s Russian!!
I’m surprised you don’t climb to 10,000meters to top down people. If you aren’t fighting America you can abuse headons at that altitude with the sparrow against Mig-29’s and just go top down :)
lol F16 ADF FIghting Falcon thats not correct the ADF (Advanced Daylight Fighter) was the development name for what became the F16, like JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) was the development name for the F35 lightning II btw F16 pilots will call it the viper
Heaven forbid anything takes skill at top tier. I’m no pro but I’m doing just fine in the f16. It has great flight performance if you know how and when to cut speed. I can manage my speed just fine and I have out accelerated and out sped many f104s and mig 23s. I don’t know what you are talking about
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Verdict: operation skill issue gets more real with every update
Top tier takes a surprising amount of skill tbh especially situational awareness. You could have the best plane with the best missiles, and still underperform if you don't keep your head on a swivel in the initial furball.
*completely ignores original point*
@@stoyantodorov2133 True there games where I’ll be on my phone half the time and die immediately, even in the f16 yesterday and games where you absolutely clap when ur concentrated
@@stoyantodorov2133 nah. You either have the f14 or you die
you can thank Gaijin for adding this plane with its realistic G limiter for some reason when we have phantoms that can make 12G turns
Yup. They should limit all previous planes to 7/8gs max to be as realistic as this limiter in f16 xD And make su25 to break in half at 7g's but it's bad for russian planes :/
Or the f5 and mig 21 pulling 14g
@@adrianstachowski9422 personally i’d just like the limiter removed, i understand they let other jets pull more for gameplay purposes but it makes no sense to limit 1 plane to its “realistic” G pull… it’s just a nerf at that point
@@maverickjhett they could also put limiters on the other planes mig 21 i believe was only able to pull 8.2g and f5 7.6g its been a while since i had a discussion about the ridiculous g planes can pull in this game
@@colejones594 they wont, they let planes pull 1.5x more G for gameplay purposes, which is understandable (nobody want to only pull 6Gs in a phantom). but they shouldn’t apply limitations to certain aircraft
Can't wait for stealth predators update, f22 and su57 at 12.0
Nah, Gaijin would never do that, that would indicate bad BR compression!
Su-57 will be 12.3
can we also get F-117 premium at 10.0 :)
@@JackIsMe1993 Ridiculous. 10.3 is a whole nother story though.
To be moved to 11.3 after they've made back 500% of the cost to develop the in-game model.
@@natesiress1057 The thing has zero air to air capability
People will still bitch and moan about "high speed compression" because those planes are also limited to 8-9g.
in before "the f22 flies like an f104!"
Just stop turn fighting at mach 1 smh
the flight model reminds me of the ariete with how much it compresses at high speeds
this is truly a mig 15 moment
@@iampurechaos I was thinking that as well. The 15 and 17 compress worse than anything else I know
Q-5/A-5C as well, they compress post mach 1 horribly, like another plane when its in 600-800ish speed
It's because the FBW system limits G-pull to 9Gs
The problem is that war thunder has a dumb G system that allows you to pull 15gs, and that is largely because of the control scheme where everyone uses arrow keys with 100% pitch or nothing.
With a joystick you can control your rate of pitch, but with arrow keys it's all or nothing.
This worked ok with props, and even with compressing first gen jets.
But with high AOA capable fighters there is no limit to your pitch at high speeds; you need to be able to control your pitch rate, but the control scheme makes it extremely difficult.
Instead of finding some way to fix this, Gaijin just allows you to pull stupid Gs, along with the tiny maps this is a big part of why top tier air RB is so broken and unrealistic.
Now though with the introduction FBW jets, this problem is catching up with them.
The question is whether they will finally fix the G and M&KB control system, or they will take the lazy option and just get rid of FBW G-limits.
the ticket system is the bane of my existence
so many instances i’ve had like that
hate it so much
Still can’t believe I’m looking at an F-16 in War Thunder
At this rate (and with Gaijoobles' greed) we'll probably be looking at an F-22 in WT in 4 years lol
@@sadge1234 maybe even sooner, since the tech and game mechanics are mostly there already. F-22 would make a great 12.3 fighter :V
@@kny1098Probably gonna be more likely to be 13.0, honestly.
@@kny1098 11.7 actually, BECUZ IT SUXXX AT DOGFIGHTING ECKSDEEE!
The f104 flight performance could not be more spot on
Maybe it really was ahead of it's time.
so is the ASA actually better than the f16? it accels better, pulls more g's, (11gs) (pulls 16gs in a snaproll) higher top speed, turns roughly the same, has better sarhs (faster, pulls more), lower br, but has less aim9ls, and a slightly worse radar
@@primobiliran9967 Not at all. F16 is a low speed monster, and has a ridiculous t/w ratio. Its an f104 outside of a dogfight tho
The AIM-9Ls got secretly nerfed. The flare resistance is basically 0 now. They get flared 99% of the time now. The ADF went into service in 1989 and carried AIM-9Ms, AIM120s, and AIM-7Ms. Let the MiG29 get the R73 and give the F16s the AIM-9Ms.
The ADF also had the 66A radar (edit: in real life, currently has the wrong standard 66 radar in game) which was upgraded over the standard 66 radar to give it better Look Down, Shoot Down tracking for the new inverses pulsed seeker on the AIM-7M.
I mean it certainly didn't have AIM-120's in 1989...
Fuck no.
Idk about that, 9Ls are still the exact same stat wise according to the datamines. Unless they did some trickery server side, there is no indication they got nerfed. They were always easy to flare in front/side aspect and a bit harder in rear. I guess people are just abusing and overestimating its front aspect lock ability a bit too much. Especially now that many more planes got access to 9Ls people are also more aware of them in headons.
Yes, this thing does fly like an F 104 at high speeds... but it can absolutely bleed its speed and dogfight pretty much anything. Just pop the air break, turn your throttle to 0%, and turn. You can fight basically anything and it turns amazing! Plus, it's not as costly to lose your speed, because it picks it right back up again. I mean, a mig 21 jumped me outta nowhere when I was at like mach 1.15, went head-on, dodged, popped the air break, throttled back to 0, turned around and EASILY turned inside his circle and gunned him down. Then proceeded to be back at mach 1.15 in like 15 seconds. Don't be afraid to lose speed to dogfight (unless there are enemies closing in obviously).
Yup, and since you can't pull a hairpin turn at max speed you'll keep your speed always until you pop the airbrake. It's actually a bit of an advantage in many ways, especially the worse of a pilot you are. It's still ridiculous to have only one plane limited in this way.
It's pretty crazy to see that the performance of planes have become so good that Gaijin forces people to fly with realistic parameters. The issue is that people have gotten used to flying in ways that break both the pilot and the plane that these extremely maneuverable planes feel gimped.
What
To a certain degree i can agree with that, breaks the OCD
Well put. Realistic battles with 12 G turn ain’t realistic.
@@DirtyMardi The problem is if you're going to restrict these planes, you have to do it to the rest in some way.
Warthunder had a multiplayer on gs i believe so a 9g pull is a 12g pull
I'm honestly having a hard time deciding which plane is better.
9Ls are harder to flare, but they still get flared basically just as consistently as my R60Ms for me, except by omega hot planes like an F14. (They definitely seem nerfed a little bit compared to last update).
I found the R27Rs more consistent than the Sparrows, but the MiG-29 radar is definitely MUCH more of a pain in the ass to deal with. Once you get a radar lock they're very comparable, but the 29's ACM mode is so infinitely worse.
they nerfed it. 9L are easy to flare with 1 -2 flares
Definitely neefed the Ls. They flare 99% of the time.
@@brian-us6vw Yeah, the whole reason AIM-9Ms were developed was to produce a sidewinder with actual countermeasure resistance.
@@buschacha those are aim 9m not aim 9l Aim 9M was developed to have more resistance than the L variant. Did u mean the L variant and not Aim 9 M?
F14 is still best us jet with 6 radar guided missiles and descent flight performance
youtube is recommending me your videos right after uploading, it's so good to -be European- live in the European Union. Thank you Doof for letting us see how top tier is going now.
Edited cause "being european" sounds sus.
Why is it good to be European in relation to his videos being recommended? Is the Algorithm different for legal reasons or something?
@@stanjon7 idk, I got this notification too, and I'm in the middle of the U.S.
@@stanjon7 Idk, I'm in the US and I get these recommended quick. He's probably glad these are uploaded at good watching times for Europeans, I guess.
Heh doof heheh
@@satagaming9144 Nah, he just knows Europe is the best 💪💪💪
fun fact the chinese F-16 has 2x more pops on mixed than every other F-16
it gets 90 flares, and 60 of them drop 2 flares 2 chaff for 15 pops
and the last 30 drop 1 by 1 ( 1 flare 1 chaff ) for 15 more pops, for a total of 30 pops on mixed
You really should be able to choose how they drop
There are only three fighters that *might* be able to outrate the F-16 at low alt: the F-22, SU-57, and Eurofighter typhoon. It's just a phenomenal plane at ripping around the circle quickly.
This thing should consistently beat the Mig-29 in two-circle fights when flown between 750-830kph, though I'd be surprised if that works in game.
It is actually a problem of the F-16 that it retains energy well enough that the massive engine will accelerate the plane beyond ideal turning speeds in dogfights. Gotta cut the burner sometimes
it does consistently beat the mig in a two circle and one circle even at low speeds
im glad you chose the best aircraft in the game for your decal, the f86f2 saber
the fix is to limit snap G's on pilots. A sudden onset 12-13g pull like everyone does in WT all the time will instantly induce GLOC, and on many airframes it'll just snap the wings off. 9.5G's is the correct fcs limit for the F-16 and an expert pilot should be able to sustain this for 30s without blacking out. The F-16's reclined seat should afford the pilot +1g of tolerance.
Nobody dogfights at 1000 kph. BFM happens at like 500-800 kph.
Yeah like wtf
I was able to pull 16G with the mig 19....16 fcking G
the problem here is that you have these two with realistic G limit fighting old aircraft capable of pulling 14g+ ...
they have to enforce realistic G limits for ALL aircraft or keep the previous 1.5 times the g limit rule every other plane uses
i love your content even got myself a decal id like to see a series of videos focusing on the unique/ awkward fights in ground RB when you spawn as air
DEFYN,by what looks like the F16A fly-by-wire system is modeled with the instrutor,because apparently the turning capacity is capped to 9G and a bit of 10G for stability and safety in high AoA and speeds,and because of that and you NEED to pull the airbrake out to try to pull as much as 10G
honestly the gaijin should have done some way to disable the fly by wire for "abusing" much more of the potential from F16 even with the risk of blowing up your wings off
I believe the AoA limit of 29 units can be overriden by a button (on bl10 and later) but the G limit is fairly hard.
The reality is every other jet in game is pulling too hard rn because pilot g tolerance for instantaneous pulls is absurd. The 9.5g limit exists to prevent Gloc and should be an advantage not a hindrance.
The issue exists more with others planes in warthunder being able to pull 14gs for no reason, needs to be limited on all to 6-9Gs depending on aircraft. People have no concept of the fact that dogfights dont happen at mach 1.3
No they need to fix the G system, and fix the control system that has prevented them from fixing the G-system.
No, even with a joystick in sim you can't pull that hard at high speed, I've tried.
@@TheAmazingchickens Gaijin apparently doesn't want the gameplay to be full on realistic. If it was very few props would be pulling more than 6-7Gs. However most every prop fighter being able to pull 10+Gs means that US props and 190s are nerfed by this. Fairly notably too. The F-16 gets a similar nerf where everything else is benefiting from unrealistic elevator pull.
The technical fix would be to just straight up nerf what the in game 'pilot' can pull to be more representative of what an actual human pilot can do. However most players likely wouldn't like that. Imagine everything pulling something similar to what the Hornet currently does.
My bigger issue with this is that certain aircraft are getting nerfed by these adjustments unfairly. The problem is that there isn't a way to really buff them without getting even more ridiculous.
Never thought I'd hear f16 and shit brick in the same sentence
Is it me or does it look like 30fps? Might've been the render issue
Skill issue
Now that you say it, I do see it...
Still watchable but strange nonetheless
omg smigol
Sounds like a skill issue ngl
Picked up your decal and nailed it on the wing of my fulcrum, looks gorgeous
The stuff you said about plane performance not mattering is why I just stopped trying to do anything related to top tier. I like small scale dogfights where you can carry against the odds and top tier just doesn't have that, or at least a lot less of it.
im only researching it to do duels with friends on custom battles, that at least is actually enjoyable, if only gaijin made 1v1 modes
This update is really a rollercoster of skill issues
On a special note the F4U-4B is now good at high altitude
Wait what why?
Corsairs keep on winning even when updates are not about them lol
@@virgilio6349 american radial power 💪
@@virgilio6349good on them! Loved using the corsairs. Sexy reverse gullwing and sturdy landing gear to boot.
With how f 16s work right now, ironically F4 EJ kai seems like a better choice, if you gonna missile trucking anyways why not choose plane with more of those missiles instead
I can’t wait. The more things they force players to do while flying the higher I sit in the skill curve😂
Aim-7M should have the same kind of seeker as the Skyflash, not sure if it's implemented or not though but it's almost impossible to notch, this isn't the case with the F on the EJ kai.
Well, from what I heard the seeker should have better low alt performance, and from the few times an F-16 got me that low, the missile tracked pretty well, morr than the F would
skyflash is a aim7e2 copy in wt
It’s sad to see how many people golden wiggled there way to these rank 8 jets. I really thought it wouldn’t happen and I’d say MLD’s and tomcats but boy half the teams seem to be wallet warriors now
I’m lvl 91 and have all of Great Britain researched and I got the ML to grind Russia. I wouldn’t blame the people but I would blame war thunder for allowing you to do it. If someone wants to spend their money on something they enjoy there is nothing wrong with it to me. Plus I didn’t do too bad in the mig-23ml at top tier when I played. There does need some balancing to the game though.
Blame gaijin, this is what they want, you funding Russiathunder with whales and premium chasers
9.3 is even worse buddy. Theres like 3-4 tech tree planes out of 12 on average. The rest are Harriers, A-10s, Frogfoots and Su-7s with a little A-6 and A-5 sprinkled on top.
Saw a level 6 player in a 23ML today...
He crashed on take-off
@@icantsleepman I wish they had a lvl 20 or 30 limit to get top tier premiums
Oh no, Tornado is next, can't bellieve you actually going trought this pain. Well, i hope you will do some nice medium tier plane after this to recuperate. Anyway, nice showcase of F-16 capabilities and your own skill, have a great day. Also, a question - does your experience say that new top tier jets are good but not broken on it's own, or they are really broken and you just don't state it blatantly?
"Radar missiles are becoming more prevelant".. F14 hits hard still tbh ngl.. the phoenixes are surprisingly effective
I think the F-100-PW-200 has a 7 stsge afterburner. It shouldn't just be on/off and it certainly isn't called WEP
war thunder's game engine isn't able to model multiple stages of WEP; for example, even on things like the P-51H, ~92% power is "military," 100% is "dry WEP," and WEP is just WEP with water injection.
@@fexilsehn6445 sure it is, the multiple stages just isnt handled by the GUI.
Most jets i have are implemented with 2 stage afterburners,
Its very finicky to engage stage 1, you need to be at 100% engibe power and throttle up with the scroll wheel one single tick.
@@fexilsehn6445 they have modelled different A/B stages on the F-14
@@AttiliusRex that's not them implementing different stages of afterburner, that's just afterburner being modeled as 110% throttle so you can scroll to intermediate values
@@fexilsehn6445 Then what is 95% on the P51H? I don't think there should be an intermediate.
All Warthunder needs for Air RB is better thought out gamemodes that don't snowball as much..
They should honestly cap toptier at like 6-8 people per team and make people spawn on different airfields. Modern jets werent meant to fight like in ace combat where there are bandits in every which direction you look.
New and improved game modes will flow and fluidity would make the game so much fucking better
They made a dcs f16 with 9g pulls only, and made a warthunder”balanced” mig29 that pulls 12g at 1300kph and the Stalinium airframe still intact
Poor murika fan boi, u can go for f-14 its can pull 12g or even more.
This plane should have the best flight performance in the game. MiG-29 can insta-turn harder and one-circle, but F-16 should win rate-fight, and still insta-turn really hard.
Flight model is broken is what this means
F14 pilot: yeah I’m gonna stick to BVR
Gaijin logic
This plane is known for its super high maneuverability and high angles of attack. Let’s make it unmanuverable
It is extremely maneuverable. Gajin is applying its written into the real life FBW control system 9G limit. Other aircraft are benefiting from superhumans in the cockpit that are capable of pulling way more than what is humanly possible. It isn't that the F-16 is nerfed or being made unmaneuverable. The accurate way to look at the scenario is to notice how overbuffed everything else is maneuverability wise relative to what they should be because of the superhuman ability to pull. For example most prop fighters shouldn't be able to pull more than 6-7Gs yet almost every one can pull 9-10Gs. This has also nerfed many American fighters and 190s in the same way that the F-16 has been handicapped as they should be better in terms of high speed handling than pretty much every other fighter out there but that isn't represented in game for the same reason.
@@rainsilent if other planes in game can pull insanely well, then a fighter like the F-16 should be made to pull even more to compensate. The F-16 after all was built to be very maneuverable
@@philippeszwarcbart6507 Again you can't pull hard because of the G-limiter which shouldn't even be in the game if you ask me
Hey Defyn. Would you ever consider doing 1v1 or 2v2 tournaments? I think it woulf be really interesting to watch as well as you could showcase some of the flying style when fighting with that particular plane
Great video as always, you should take another look at the mirage IIIE, it’s down to 10.3 and it feels much better cause I think they changed the FM
I thought people were exaggerating when they said that the F-16 handles like a F-104 and i thought its just the FBW system that limits the pull to 9G but when i finally flew it i understood what they meant. The flight model is botched no 2 ways about it. The F-16 is limited by FBW to 8G but can get short bursts of 9G but in WT it simply doesn't turn right. At 700-800km it should be turning like a zero and in game it turns like a F-104 with critted wings. The one thing i noticed is that instead of turning performance being based on IAS, its based on whether the afterburner is on or off. Also botched is the AIM-7M. Instead of a significant upgrade over the AIm-7F, its more of a nerfed version.
Also from what I heard the aim 7m is a aim 7f at its core but the aim 7f has a better seeker and there was something else 8 forgot ehat it was but all I know is the new seeker in the aim 7m is just more chaff resistant
Not in game right not it’s copy paste
@@kynanledee5089 i see but thats what i just read up so the aim 7m is just a aim 7f at the core but just a better seeker head so idk if war thunder will implement that small change
That decal. I love it. Rare that I like such things but that one does it.
15.40 "....and if there is no teammates to help you...." and you see in the kill feed that EJ killing the friendly F-14 just at the moment you said it! Highlight moment right there!
I noticed you jettison your sparrows a few times, you think it gives a big enough flight performance increase to justify giving up the potential utility?
I can carry like 12 missiles on my f4c and only lose like 5 mph max speed, you don’t need to drop missiles
@@LewisB3217 False, the statcard may say that you lose only a few km/h but the pact on acceleration is pretty big. Noticed it especially after getting the F14
The second time he did it was for a close range dogfight, and the third time was because his radar got destroyed.
I should have waited for both of these videos to come out (F-16 and Mig-29) but I made the worst mistake of my life and is spend my day off (tuesday) grinding the mig-29 only to see 6 enemy f-16s vs only me in mig-29, and they focus you down and I'm stock with only R-60s (not even R-60Ms)
I played 20 matches before I gave up and went to grind f-16 and there I was, happy and a feeling of "safety" as I was never 1v10 because "Russian teams" don't know how to play together and half of them die to radar at start of the match...
What a horrible experience I had in such a short amount of time Jesus Christ...
Thanks for the content DEFYN
With that flight performance, why would I even bother to grind that jet having the F-14 and the F-5E
There isn't a point at the moment.
Both MiG 29 and f16 both feel like bricks. I’m convinced the flight model isn’t finished.
they probably arent, gaijin also nerfed the crap out of the f16's engine too
Watching you're videos legitimately made me a better player.
remember when gaijin added tghe magic 2 AND PL-8 on the dev back when the Mirage F-1 came out.....yea to this day the J-7E and J-8B still havent gotten them.... (the J-7E was literally developed cuz the missile was a bit too heavy for the other J-7 variants)
The J-7E is still missing it's HMD.
Please cover the Tornado GR.1 (Brit one specifically) as no one else seems to be covering it only the German and Italian one for some reason🤔
Well they’re all the same, and completely useless. According to my test flights Gaijin probably haven’t even modeled any increase in maneuverbility with the wings fully retracted vs fully extended. No matter the speed it’s going to get shafted by even an early phantom with full bomb load or a buccaneer in maneuverbility. (I know it isn’t a turn fighter but it seriously cannot be that bad.) the only thing it has going for it is that it’s bloody fast, it just seriously won’t lose speed in full burner, and the speed you lose you’ll get back in no time
@@onelyone6976 here's the thing. The German one has superior engines, but the British one (I can't talk about how the German one performs really but the X-ray shows its got a pair of far better engines) underperforms horribly. The engines are the garbage ones, the flaps and slats aren't correct, the top speed is incorrect, basically Gaijin have gimped it. I can't speak for the German one particularly but I can't imagine it's much better. They're not even fast enough that's the problem, I struggle to reach mach 1 with tanks and bombs meanwhile some MiG-29 or F-16 is outrunning me or closing in on my 200kph faster than me. It's such a worthless vehicle.
@@firestarteronyoutube5542 okay did not know the German one has better engines, I test flew the german one because that's the tornado I have access to. I am myself a British main when playing but haven't played for up to half a year partly my craptop barely runs the game and partly because I don't even have enough space on the SSD
Funny, cuz Ive seen one person cover Italian, and most cover a brit one. Not that There's much difference
@@gansior4744 I,m talking about live server though. The Brit one was the only one available on the Dev Server hence the coverage but there appears to be little to no coverage post launch
Supposedly It's not compression at high speeds it's the jets G limiter kicking into effect
Do you think a G limiter should be on all modern jets like the F16?
It should be on all modern jets that had it. Mig-29, Su-27 has a soft 8g limiter overridable to direct control. F/A-18 has a soft 7.5g limit with paddle override up to 10. F-14/F-15 have no limiter but give overload warning at 7.5g and 9g respectively. All these numbers with AA stores only. Bombs and external fuel will reduce the limits in most cases.
@@appa609 The problem is that planes that dont have it in warthunder can in some scenarios sustain 11-12 G pull for multiple seconds without GLOC and thats just absurd.
@@appa609 No it shouldn't, this is a video game and obviously Gaijin is not smart enough to implement such mechanics without making it frustrating
Here's a video idea: How to fight against F-16s in your BR 10.7 F104G I haven't tried, but I bet it goes something like this: Fly near F-16, try to flare and dodge, fail, get slammed. Back to hangar we go.
It compress to much when it shouldn't, it doesn't take much common sense to realise this, and there is literally cockpit and HUD videos out there where the f16 is doing 450 knots and it still Turning really fucking good. I hope to god the improve its maneuverability at higher speeds as the way its performing at the moment is completely and utter bullshit.
fly by wire. It cannot pull past 9 Gs.
@televisio86 that's irl, in war thunder u can pull 11 to 12 sustained, so think of it as 12 being 9 in irl, and 9 to 10 g's being 7.5, just think about it like that for a sec
@@televisio8652 lmao its war thunder im pulling 12g in a phantom 4e with low fuel
Why do people call it compressed FFS. It's not compressing at all, simply limited by FBW. Also 450 kts is bellow mach 1 and around 850kph to be exact which in game turn performance is great. IRL 400-430 kts is where it turns best and can achieve its highest STR.
@@Xrdyls Phantom doesn't have FBW with a hard coded 9G limit that the pilot can't bypass. It has a superhuman at the controls that is capable of pulling more than a human can. Virtually every fighter in the game is benefiting from that to various degrees. Funnily enough a number of American props and the 190s also suffer from a similar problem brought about by the superhuman pilots.
that 1st game you lost bc all your ground units had died
They should’ve put the worse f16 before the ADF. People getting this way too early is not helping the aim 7 spam right now.
The adf is the worse one. The regular f16 can keep a aced plane and crew to the limit while the adf turns into a flying brick at high speeds
@@aaronbowe9523 agreed
@@aaronbowe9523 The thing is that it shouldn't, Gaijin for some reason put in the fly by wire limiters when other planes don't have any consequences for going all out. Gaijin just realized these planes perform too much better than the current jets and then ruined the performance instead.
Got your lovely decal yesterday. Keep up the good content!
Can't remember who ,but was on youtube.
A real F14 pilote when he tried an F16 for the first time said the same thing.
When F16 get up to speed it doesn't pull. You are forced to lose speed.
Otherwise the commands won't let you pull as you'd like to.
So... seems accurate.
She still is missing engine power and the automatic flaps aren't modeled.
@Dingle P-51s don't have a FBW system with a coded in G limiter though. That is the difference. Also if most things were limited to realistic human capabilities most everything in game would be limited to 6-7Gs in turns with G-suit aircraft the only ones able to sustain 6+ for any really meaningful duration. Imagine most every prop fighter handling like the Hornet. Gaijin doesn't think most players would enjoy that.
The ironic thing about what you said is that the P-51, a number of other US prop fighters and the 190s are negatively impacted by this as well as one of their major historical performance advantages (their ability to pull higher Gs at higher speeds) is essentially gone.
@Dingle Everything I said is relevant. I explained what Gaijin is doing with the other aircraft and why they are able to pull more than they should be.
Gaijin is sticking to what they have been. They don't allow vehicles to bypass hard coded limits chosen by the designers. The 9G limit is hard coded into the FBW system. There is no way around it. This is something that they have been following with a number of ground vehicles too. Is it silly? One could easily argue yes.
Personally I think the issue isn't that they aren't letting select vehicles pass hard limits set by designers. I think it is the degree of superhuman strength that aircraft can pull.
sure, thing is IRL the F-4 was limited to 7.5 Gs and MiG-23 to 8.5 ... and ingame F-4 can pull 12G+ and 23 14G+ ...
you cant have more modern jets designed to pull MORE than legacy designs to be limited while you allow old birds to pull way more than what they were specced to... thats total nonsense
@@Asghaad if you wanna go back to the good old days when F86 was breaking it's wing in the slightest turn be my guest.
If you pull as hard as you want in the F16 at 1200 kph, it will either break instantly, or break the game cause it will outurn everything that exist including missiles.
This is prob the most enthusiastic warthunder player
when you wanna fly the f-16 but you are still at tier 1 aircraft
12:22 "And then I give him a second stage afterburner which burns his hull" XDDDDD
I want this thing just for sim, just look at the cockpit, radar all aspect sidewinders. its perfect for sim.
In one of my early games in the plan I got reversed by an f104, it was bad energy management on my part but I didn't realise how hard it compressed.
Its because of the f16s 9G limiter irl.
@@raphaelsantiago9387 If they add the irl g limiter for the f16, they should definitely add it to every planes
@@OzzyTheWild i would honestly break my wings than use this limiter
@@anttila674 yeah fr. We all know that it wouldn’t break them a lot too. I understand that my wings will break if I do a hard turn, but please let me do the hard turn 🤣
@@OzzyTheWild yeah its dumb af why only the f16 got it
this is phantom moment, when they nerfed it's fm after dev
only gave it back for f4e
now what, we need to wait for later f-16 for it to turn normally? ...
it turns fine, it's not supposed to pull more than 9G
you are playing war thunder sir, others shouldn't as well
@@Omen09 other doesn't have fly-by-wire, so they can pull as many as they can, until they lose wings.
@@Omen09 To say what was said in reply in a more clear way the 9G limit is hard code in the FBW system of the F-16. There isn't a way to bypass it. Other jets get the benefit of the superhuman in the cockpit that can pull way more than a human can.
This is an issue in props as well as many American prop fighters and the 190s have lost what should be a high speed handling advantage over other contemporaries. Most props should be stopping at 6-7Gs due to human limits like the Hornet does. Instead they are capable of going to their structural limits.
Air RB maps way to small for these new planes & weapons
"and then i gave him a second stage afterburner, which burns twice as hot" 😂
wait you dropped your sparrows?? 6:29 oh nvm lol great vids btw
If they won't add endurance confrontation playing top tier air RB makes no sense
Do you love the EC maps? because im pretty sure it can definitely drag matches longer like it does in lower br
The only reason EC map matches are longer is because of the longer time to travel to the fight. The fight itself is still mostly a furball which takes place in the middle of the map and takes no longer than on a normal map, you just fly for 10 minutes to get there
11.0-11.7 EC maps are a blessing
@@birthdwt8859 bozo opinion
@@birthdwt8859factually wrong
Really confused why this is the only jet in the entire game with a realistic G limiter.
still insane to me how those things are 11.7 and not 12.7... also how tf is the Tornado 11.3/0 worthy? it should be 10.7
Cuz of the cas option. The event one whit bad cas options is 10.7
@@ISt0leYaCheese the tornados payload is absolutely trash
12.7 xD yeah with br compression ok but without it then 12.0 max and mld should get r73 and get a 11.7 br with f-14 too.
@@ayylmao182 no shit
@@ISt0leYaCheese okay moron
Day 6 of wanting you to play the Spitfire Mk 24 pretty please hopefully my master debate can convince you
Aim7m's seem to accelerate faster than 7f's
I think a big issue is that a plane built around BVR is stuck in a game that *can't* allow BVR because of compression. If you start the match from 80km away, with missiles designed to fight at that range, the fuck is a 10.7 even going to do?
The 7M should just have a new seeker head that allows for look down shoot down, and some chaff resistance
ok, ok, but where's the R-27ET or ER? huh? Or how about the nerfed to hell R-73? US doesn't need anything else, they are already dominating, how about give other nations something to actually be competitive? Oh wait, no US mains will just cry and cry until no one else can have shit other than the US mains.
@@televisio8652 sir this is a Wendy's
@@televisio8652 lmao “us mains just cry”
Cries the Russian main.
Tell me, who’s crying here
@@televisio8652 ur crying right now lol
@@televisio8652 boo hoo hoes mad
i do wanna ask why you put ADV when it isnt the F16A-ADV its the F16A-ADF for the national guard its the Air Defence Fighter hence why it was given sparrows due to there requirement
?
Just a typo
@@DEFYN ah is all good just asking good video though love the content!
Mig23 pulling 12G = balanced f16 and mig29 locked 9G= realistic
F-16 have all missiles that should have - balanced , mig 29 with only r60m and completely nerfed r27 -realistic
All the planes can pull much higher g's than their airframe could handle irl (14g for f5, 12g for f14 f. e.) but the f16 is the only plane with realistic g limiter for some weird reason xD
Ok, I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but instinctively laugh when you said the next video is the Tornado.
yeah. Gayjin ruined it i so many ways
there's 4 F-16 in the game, but no East German or North Korean MiG 29 in Chinese techtree, 😥
I think the North Korean MiG-29 is supposed to be at the soviet tech tree. Some north korean migs are already there.
Why tf would north Korean mig be in China tech tree
East German f16 lol
@@apathofpain Because the Shenyang F-5 is in the Chinese TT as a premium, seriously it takes 2 seconds to check this bruh
Hey Defyn, Love your vieods too. I would ask a personal preference of yours, which one is better in your aspect f16 block, f 16 ADF and Mig 29. I would be happy if you put to answer CAS and Air RB
14:40 come in, give your wife a son or two, and simply leave 😂
Why are these WT players so dumb? They complain that they're too fast while running full ab and run full fuel with a drop tank to get the endurance...
These matches last like 10m you're fine with 20m fuel and cruise at mil power. Your plane will perform much better, you'll overspeed less, your IR signature will be less.
@DEFYN should top tier (6 or 7 to 8) be restricted to 5v5 Or similar?
Would be happy to see a video on the question just explaining your thoughts, how to make toptier less noobfriendly.
the problem with that is that people will go bankrupt, because, for example, the mig21 smt costs 14k to repair spaded, and you make like 6-7k per kill
@@ofcefcipu yes but with a more fair chance to suceed if you fly well, proficient pilots will no longer suffer a loss even tho they scored an ace.
I have lost top tier matches with 6 kills and me being defeated in a 3v1 (or more) meaning my entire team got 1 kill.
Should it have been a 5v5, I would have been left in (yes still very difficult, but less so) 4v1 if my whole team dies with 1 kill scored between them.
But you are probably right though, the SL rewards at toptier are pretty lackluster.
@@turbov7611 i do think that its a good idea, its just that gaijin would have to do a lot of other things to make it work, which they simply wont
@@ofcefcipu you may be right, but gaijin also said AA mssiles and supersonic jets would never make it into WT, but after alot of work they did.
But it's questionablr if its prifitable to improve toptier, since they probably make the most money of dimwitted level 4 creditcard players buying jets they cant fly whether it be 5v5 or 12v12
@@turbov7611 only because their businnes model changed to "squeeze every single cent out of this game", and jets turned out to be VERY profitable
How can you do the different colors between your aim circle and your IR lock system? Your IR locksystem is green and your aim circle is red. How?
I personally will still play the A variant ngl. I just feel like using sparrows is gonna get me killed even faster sometimes so I would prefer using 9l a more fire and forget missile.
Have fun with the Stock 9J’s lol
@@ICECAPPEDSKY F-14 cries in 9D.
They're great actually in a close dogfight but caged seeker is infinite yuck.
The Chinese Female pilot profile icon has a J20 in the background..
Do you think the F-4F should receive its AIM-9Ls?
it would go up in br and thats not worth it, unless gaijin is felling kind but i doubt it
No way did they actually make drop tanks work in this update?
They did, mostly. But they haven't added them to any old vehicles I don't think which is lame.
@@HRCSJSUAMMAS leave it up to gaijin to pull a rockstar lol
How are you able to activate your radar target search for that long? mine goes for 1 second then stops searching...
They managed to make the deadliest dogfighter ever made by the US Military into a slightly worse F-104 😂😂 I’m willing to bet that the Mig-29 feels like a proper 4th gen fighter tho and can confidently destroy any jet it comes across no problem 🤷🏽♂️ bc you know…it’s Russian!!
Should I buy the British phantom to grind the tree?
At this point why would you even want to grind British Air. (Coming from a Brit main)
@@firestarteronyoutube5542 Britain is fun but definitely not the best country. The only thing that is really good is the gr.7.
I cant use adens to save my life and I have played the meteors into the dirt, I just dont know what to use
For me this thing is like playing a buffed a5c
The Chinese version still gets Drag chutes. Neither American version does which is somewhat dissapointing.
that is historically accurate
Notice the Elks, posing as reindeer? 🙄 someone doesn't know squat bout Christmas. Lol
Can you get the top left of your decal fixed? The cropped part looks kinda bad..
Soooo glad the US plane got radar missiles.
At this point, I'm staying the fuck away from top tier. Its just gets fucking worse and worse
I’m surprised you don’t climb to 10,000meters to top down people. If you aren’t fighting America you can abuse headons at that altitude with the sparrow against Mig-29’s and just go top down :)
Its gonna be US v US for quite some time now so not fighting america is gonna be really rare.
@@Julio_Tortillia just que with a friend :P
@@cablebooth5344 huh
lol F16 ADF FIghting Falcon thats not correct the ADF (Advanced Daylight Fighter) was the development name for what became the F16, like JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) was the development name for the F35 lightning II btw F16 pilots will call it the viper
Just a typo, fixed it
Red wing? One red wing? Solo wing?
*spanish guitars start playing*
Cool seeing this, Cries in tornado tho
Heaven forbid anything takes skill at top tier. I’m no pro but I’m doing just fine in the f16. It has great flight performance if you know how and when to cut speed. I can manage my speed just fine and I have out accelerated and out sped many f104s and mig 23s. I don’t know what you are talking about