This video FINALLY got me to grasp the concept. I too was confused with the fact my oil was much thinner when draining at normal temp. Which didn't comply with explanations I'd read before.
Thanks very much for your clear and concise videos & explanations. As a DIY mechanic (or as my wife said(accidental youtube mechanic) i enjoy and learn here, kind regards, Neil
What a creative content you represent Your videos always are informative and I keep learning from them This topic is very complicated when you try to explain the relationship between viscosity and temperature and how oil behaves in such way respoding to temperature fluctuating Because the left number before the W represnts the dynamic viscosity and the right number represnts the kinematic viscosity It’s all about viscosity improvers as you mentioned in your previous videos Thank you for such videos Keep them coming
Thank you for the clear and concise definitions! A quick question: at what temperature is the Winter weight oil viscosity measured? 0 C?? Just curious and Thanks Again!
Thanks, this is the best explanation of this I’ve found. One more question please, as when it is poured from the bottle new it acts like a cold 5, it appears to the eye that a cold 5 is thicker than a hot 30. How does this cold 5 meet our needs to get to the top of the engine immediately on start up (thick) AND though thinner when hot (like a hot 30) meets our needs and not get flung off the rotating parts and vapourised when hot and a operating RPM? Thank you
Yeah, I agree. I don't understand how in reality a 5w-30 is thick when cold and thin when hot, yet the numbers indicate the oil is "mysteriously" much THICKER when hot. So I'm just using different words to say what you're saying. If it is officially much thicker when hot, how can that be, considering in reality that oil is thick out of the bottle but flows almost like water when fully hot. Doesn't make sense to me either. The only way it makes sense would be to redefine the words "thick" and "thin," as obviously oil is much thinner when hot, despite the numbers saying it is much thicker. I suppose the secret lies in the phrase "behaves like"/"acts like." I don't care about arcane meanings to common words, I can clearly see and feel that hot oil is much thinner at high temperatures, even though the scientists say it is much thicker when hot. Scientists also rely on concepts like infinity and imaginary numbers, so who knows what to believe, lol. If you have any more insight since you wrote your comment, please share. This quandary really has me vexed, lol.
@@skankytrick your candor is refreshing! Best I can get MY head around it is that when cold, the 5w comes out of the can as we see it (moderately thin) and as it heats up the OIL in the product becomes more runny (thinner) but the additives start to thicken up the overall ‘product’ until it gets to operating temperature where it is the same viscosity as a 30 weight oil (but a hot 30 weight oil not a cold one that we may imagine pouring from a can which would be quite thick). The kicker is a HOT 30 weight oil is actually thinner than a cold 5 weight! So, though the product is actually thinner hot than cold it is actually thicker than it would have been without the additives. Make sense? I hope you agree!
1. Pls clear what these number here, 5 & 30 denotes? Are these viscosity means 5 centistokes or they indicate another value of viscosity? 2. Does cold 5 and hot 30 have the same viscosity? 3. What main chemicals and additives are added in the mutli grade oil in order for them to work like this?
Is there a difference between for example 0w-40 and 5w-40 at operating temperature. Does the first number influence the second number? I don't understand why you would use 5w-30 when you can use 0w-40, on paper the 0w-40 will be better in every instance
Yes, but I'm dubious you understand even now. See my reply to a lengthy comment above. The only way to understand this issue from this video is by first accepting certain facts cannot be understood and abandoning common sense and the meaning of mundane terminology (i.e., "thick" and "thin").
@@LeonardoCostaUSA no probs so then include the details of , vehicle type, make and year, engine type and size, mileage. I run a D4D 2012 hilux, recommended oil is 15/40 however I have run Penrite HPR Diesel 20/60 since the first service at 10000, It has now done 350000 (klms) and starts and runs like new, I have a similar climate to you except it gets colder 0 - 44c,
@@LeonardoCostaUSA wow that sounds like fun. I would use a Penrite HPR 10-50 Full Synthetic, Product code is HPR10010, It even has a BMW spec code on the label. I use it on a few different cars. No i do not work for Penrite.
Love this video, very nice and simple explanation. But now I have another question. Does the oil originally have viscosity of 5 and the chemical is add for it to work like 30 , or the oil is originally 30 and the chemical make it become like 5??
Hi am bolt driver we working in Nigeria.i drive a 2005 camry 2.4L . The hot weather can be as hi 40 degrees Celsius. I use mobil 1 5w 30 . Is it okay or i should switch. Though the manual specifies 5w30 only
Good video! Here are 2 examples of full synthetic oils of 5w-20: 1) "Known brand" which has cSt of 8.8 at 100°C and 2) "Also known brand" but has cSt of 8.2 at 100°C. Which one would be considered a bit thicker?
how about living in a tropical climate with an average temperature of 28 - 34 degrees Celsius? according to the vehicle manual I must use oil with a rating of 10w30? do i need to increase the SAE rating to 10w40 or 20w40? I have driven the vehicle about 160,000 km
Did I get it right? Viscosity acts as '5 when cold' and '30 when hot' because the viscosity classification relates to the same standard temperature for comparisons between classes. Adding to that, the fact that viscosity changes with temperature variations allows us to draw a viscosity curve for all viscosity classifications. In other words, this means that multigrade oils have this special property: when the engine is cold, the oil is on the 5 viscosity curve, acting like a '5', and when it is hot, it's on the 30 viscosity classification curve, acting like a '30'.
Please tell me something.... The recommended oil for my 100 cc air cooled motorcycle is 10w30... But can I used 20w50 during hot season I live in a place with 4 seasons
Personally i would stick to manufactures recommendation because its so easy to cause accidental damage to engines, sorry i couldn't help further - Craig
Ok I understand the principals. But I pump oil for a living and 15/40 as well as 85/140 are much more thin at 70-100 degrees than at 45-10degrees. If 15w-40 means is should be thinner at cold temps. What am I missing. I’m sitting here waiting forever to drain this oil because it’s cold…
Can someone tell me, without ac on my idle running engine temperature is around 93 to 97 celcius in aisi wagonr. My car is running on natural gas(cng). Should i do with 20w50 or 5w30? I live in India, here environment temp range from 4 to 50 celcius.
I was recently thinking the same. My car takes 5W-30, but, i live in Spain where air Temperature gets up to 40oC!!!! But, my instincts tell me to stick to car oil Spec in the manual
then why is a rod knock much louder at operating temperature than at start up, if viscosity improves with heat the oil should fill the gap between the bearing and the crank better
because when cold the oil is more viscous and so in that way lubricates more strongly. but when it gets up to working temp, the oil is thinner and so yes flows to all engine parts properly as desired but actually doesn't provide as strong a lubricating effect*. What we need is the balance of good lubrication (high film strength from high viscosity) vs. ability of the lubrication to be delivered to the right places (high flowability of the oil due to low viscosity) As you can see, this means you need to take care with saying "viscosity improves" - better to say increases or decreases. *chemical additives start working at higher temps though to offset the basic viscosity effects and the "additive package" can be dominant improver of the oil overall.
Yep, this is very far off. Cold rating is a ansolute viscosity, warm rating is a kinematic viscosity rating. They are measured by two different methods.
I actually don't like this video. It needs to show how the 5w-30 actually behaves in the cold as opposed when it's hot. It can get too cold for even a 0w-20 to be viscous enough to pump through the engine at startup.
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This video FINALLY got me to grasp the concept. I too was confused with the fact my oil was much thinner when draining at normal temp. Which didn't comply with explanations I'd read before.
Thank you for your feedback. I really appreciate it. Craig
Thanks for explaining that, I always knew that the w stood for winter but didn't have a form grasp on what it all meant. Now I do!
In many years trying to understand this, it's the first time I actually do. Thanks a lot for your amazing explanation!
Thank you so much for your kind feedback. I really appreciate it. Craig 👍👍👍
Thanks very much for your clear and concise videos & explanations. As a DIY mechanic (or as my wife said(accidental youtube mechanic) i enjoy and learn here, kind regards, Neil
This video is under rated and viewed
What a creative content you represent
Your videos always are informative and I keep learning from them
This topic is very complicated when you try to explain the relationship between viscosity and temperature and how oil behaves in such way respoding to temperature fluctuating
Because the left number before the W represnts the dynamic viscosity and the right number represnts the kinematic viscosity
It’s all about viscosity improvers as you mentioned in your previous videos
Thank you for such videos
Keep them coming
finally starting to make some sort of sense. thanks!
Useful information well explained! Thank You!
Maybe a video on the differences between diesel and gas driven motor oils. Great video
Thanks Craig, always great videos.
Thank you so much for the nice feedback. I really appreciate it. Craig
Absolutely perfect explanation to satisfy the "Hmmmm" in my head, thank you!
Awesome feedback, thank you. Craig
Thank you for the clear and concise definitions! A quick question: at what temperature is the Winter weight oil viscosity measured? 0 C?? Just curious and Thanks Again!
Thanks, this is the best explanation of this I’ve found. One more question please, as when it is poured from the bottle new it acts like a cold 5, it appears to the eye that a cold 5 is thicker than a hot 30. How does this cold 5 meet our needs to get to the top of the engine immediately on start up (thick) AND though thinner when hot (like a hot 30) meets our needs and not get flung off the rotating parts and vapourised when hot and a operating RPM? Thank you
Yeah, I agree. I don't understand how in reality a 5w-30 is thick when cold and thin when hot, yet the numbers indicate the oil is "mysteriously" much THICKER when hot. So I'm just using different words to say what you're saying. If it is officially much thicker when hot, how can that be, considering in reality that oil is thick out of the bottle but flows almost like water when fully hot. Doesn't make sense to me either. The only way it makes sense would be to redefine the words "thick" and "thin," as obviously oil is much thinner when hot, despite the numbers saying it is much thicker. I suppose the secret lies in the phrase "behaves like"/"acts like." I don't care about arcane meanings to common words, I can clearly see and feel that hot oil is much thinner at high temperatures, even though the scientists say it is much thicker when hot. Scientists also rely on concepts like infinity and imaginary numbers, so who knows what to believe, lol. If you have any more insight since you wrote your comment, please share. This quandary really has me vexed, lol.
@@skankytrick your candor is refreshing! Best I can get MY head around it is that when cold, the 5w comes out of the can as we see it (moderately thin) and as it heats up the OIL in the product becomes more runny (thinner) but the additives start to thicken up the overall ‘product’ until it gets to operating temperature where it is the same viscosity as a 30 weight oil (but a hot 30 weight oil not a cold one that we may imagine pouring from a can which would be quite thick). The kicker is a HOT 30 weight oil is actually thinner than a cold 5 weight! So, though the product is actually thinner hot than cold it is actually thicker than it would have been without the additives. Make sense? I hope you agree!
1. Pls clear what these number here, 5 & 30 denotes? Are these viscosity means 5 centistokes or they indicate another value of viscosity?
2. Does cold 5 and hot 30 have the same viscosity?
3. What main chemicals and additives are added in the mutli grade oil in order for them to work like this?
And I also would like to thank you personally for this video because I FINALLY got it 🤝🤝
Thank you for your nice feedback. Craig 👍
So is a "cold" 5 the same viscosity as a "hot" 30? Meaning basically no change at all?
Is there a difference between for example 0w-40 and 5w-40 at operating temperature.
Does the first number influence the second number?
I don't understand why you would use 5w-30 when you can use 0w-40, on paper the 0w-40 will be better in every instance
I think there is.
If not, all car manufactures woul recommend high SAE gap engine oils.
0w40 is superior in alot of situations. Even a 5w40.
i always wondered this. thanks for explaining
Yes, but I'm dubious you understand even now. See my reply to a lengthy comment above. The only way to understand this issue from this video is by first accepting certain facts cannot be understood and abandoning common sense and the meaning of mundane terminology (i.e., "thick" and "thin").
Thanks
great video sir!! in my country, weather temperature goes from 15C to 40C (c=celsius) so what is the oil grade instructions in that case? tks
look in the owners manual, there are too many variables for an outsider to give you exact advice on what oil to use.
@@EssentialComment owners manual is useless on that matter
@@LeonardoCostaUSA no probs so then include the details of , vehicle type, make and year, engine type and size, mileage.
I run a D4D 2012 hilux, recommended oil is 15/40 however I have run Penrite HPR Diesel 20/60 since the first service at 10000, It has now done 350000 (klms) and starts and runs like new, I have a similar climate to you except it gets colder 0 - 44c,
@@EssentialComment my car is 2014 BMW X5 V8 twin turbo 40K miles. Thanks
@@LeonardoCostaUSA wow that sounds like fun.
I would use a Penrite HPR 10-50 Full Synthetic, Product code is HPR10010, It even has a BMW spec code on the label. I use it on a few different cars.
No i do not work for Penrite.
Love this video, very nice and simple explanation. But now I have another question. Does the oil originally have viscosity of 5 and the chemical is add for it to work like 30 , or the oil is originally 30 and the chemical make it become like 5??
Hi am bolt driver we working in Nigeria.i drive a 2005 camry 2.4L . The hot weather can be as hi 40 degrees Celsius. I use mobil 1 5w 30 . Is it okay or i should switch. Though the manual specifies 5w30 only
Good video! Here are 2 examples of full synthetic oils of 5w-20: 1) "Known brand" which has cSt of 8.8 at 100°C and 2) "Also known brand" but has cSt of 8.2 at 100°C. Which one would be considered a bit thicker?
I think the first oil woul be considered more thicker at higher temperature.
Anyone agree with that?
how about living in a tropical climate with an average temperature of 28 - 34 degrees Celsius? according to the vehicle manual I must use oil with a rating of 10w30? do i need to increase the SAE rating to 10w40 or 20w40? I have driven the vehicle about 160,000 km
Did I get it right? Viscosity acts as '5 when cold' and '30 when hot' because the viscosity classification relates to the same standard temperature for comparisons between classes. Adding to that, the fact that viscosity changes with temperature variations allows us to draw a viscosity curve for all viscosity classifications. In other words, this means that multigrade oils have this special property: when the engine is cold, the oil is on the 5 viscosity curve, acting like a '5', and when it is hot, it's on the 30 viscosity classification curve, acting like a '30'.
I was looking for something to show how to adjust in summer.
I still like the old saying “Any oil is better than no oil”! 😂
Very true 👍
I didn't know it was controversial, why is that and what about it is? in the beginning you mentioned it... can you elaborate on it more?
Please tell me something....
The recommended oil for my 100 cc air cooled motorcycle is 10w30...
But can I used 20w50 during hot season
I live in a place with 4 seasons
Personally i would stick to manufactures recommendation because its so easy to cause accidental damage to engines, sorry i couldn't help further
- Craig
My motorbike have an viscosity of 20w50. Is it possible to use 5w50 or 10w50 without any issues.
yes , u can.
Ok I understand the principals. But I pump oil for a living and 15/40 as well as 85/140 are much more thin at 70-100 degrees than at 45-10degrees. If 15w-40 means is should be thinner at cold temps. What am I missing. I’m sitting here waiting forever to drain this oil because it’s cold…
Please notice, and read the pinned comment before commenting again. Thank you!
Super!
Thank you so much for the nice feedback. I really appreciate it. Craig
Can someone tell me, without ac on my idle running engine temperature is around 93 to 97 celcius in aisi wagonr.
My car is running on natural gas(cng). Should i do with 20w50 or 5w30?
I live in India, here environment temp range from 4 to 50 celcius.
Yes. A 20w50 would be an excellent choice in your climate.
I was recently thinking the same. My car takes 5W-30, but, i live in Spain where air Temperature gets up to 40oC!!!! But, my instincts tell me to stick to car oil Spec in the manual
I live in +9°c and i use 15w40 is it okay?
This makes more sense but makes the concept of viscosity more complicated.
Ok, thank you for your contribution 👍
Finally!
but how could cold 5 and hot 30 be same???? viscosity isnt dependant on temperature is it
then why is a rod knock much louder at operating temperature than at start up, if viscosity improves with heat the oil should fill the gap between the bearing and the crank better
because when cold the oil is more viscous and so in that way lubricates more strongly. but when it gets up to working temp, the oil is thinner and so yes flows to all engine parts properly as desired but actually doesn't provide as strong a lubricating effect*. What we need is the balance of good lubrication (high film strength from high viscosity) vs. ability of the lubrication to be delivered to the right places (high flowability of the oil due to low viscosity) As you can see, this means you need to take care with saying "viscosity improves" - better to say increases or decreases. *chemical additives start working at higher temps though to offset the basic viscosity effects and the "additive package" can be dominant improver of the oil overall.
So basically TLDR, the 5w30 oil DOES indeed "get thicker" as it warms up, BUT before taking physics into account 😀
Or in other words, the oil still gets runnier overall, just much more gradually over the temperature range i suppose
VERY CONFUSING VIDEO !
Sadly, this information is completely incorrect.
Look at the SAE, API and, ASTM related testing and documents
Yep, this is very far off. Cold rating is a ansolute viscosity, warm rating is a kinematic viscosity rating. They are measured by two different methods.
but...............HOW? thanks
u didnt explain HOW heat increases it, u just explained that heat increases it -_-
I actually don't like this video. It needs to show how the 5w-30 actually behaves in the cold as opposed when it's hot.
It can get too cold for even a 0w-20 to be viscous enough to pump through the engine at startup.