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The mental gymnastics women cook up to dismiss body count are endless. It matters. Every study has concluded that women with lower notch counts make better long term choices for men.
The entire narrative excuses attractive women that sleep with a lot of men because, lets say, she “only” slept with 50 guys out of 5k proposals and that means 1%. Indeed the mental gymnastics used is out of this world. She is right about one thing though, something closed to 0% chances of occuring, if she agrees to sleep around with all the men that propose that, even if she has a low body count, that is an issue. However I would really like to see how a woman that had lets say 5 sexual proposals in her life looks, as there was a Tinder experiment with a morbidly obese woman that got 3x the likes of a really attractive man.
Only it's same for both genders 😊. For a relationship to work, both sides need to be satisfied and loyal. When you look back in the days, one-two generations ago women were the ones that were more loyal, now the tables turned.
@@jasminasinanbegovic6225 High body count for women is a signal of how much she has ALLOWED. The body count of men is a signal of how much he has EARNED or persuaded. The former is not a factor of attraction for men. The latter though, is an indicator of looks, status, and competency which ARE ATTRACTIVE to most women.
@@Halo-723 No because the reason for wanting a lower body count is different. If he was asking for a low body count in the name of discipline and character but at the same time had a high body count because he could easily sleep around, that would be hypocritical. However, if his goal was simply to improve his sexual skill then that wouldn't be hypocritical, as men need to be good at sex unlike women who don't - it's only hypocritical if the man is able to get sex easily like women are able to get sex easily
Let me put it this way. You're running a business and you're looking for employees. Two people apply: one of them has had over 150 jobs in 5 years, the other has only had 2 jobs. Which one is more likely to be a loyal employee?
Depends on how long the person had each of their two jobs? Like what if they got fired after a week both times, and have then been unable to get hired for 4 years and 50 weeks?
You’re a misogynist. She is exploring her career options trying to find herself before she fully commits to the corporate world. She now doesn’t have to settle for an employer she doesn’t like so why would she limit herself? It’s empowering to hold two jobs at once and she should always strive for higher pay. Employees have been slaves to the employer for all of history and deserve to be independent. That employer should shut his mouth and be grateful he can get any employees at all. There are a lot of better employers out there that would hire her in an instant. I wrote this sarcastically but it’s an interesting analogy. This sounds like a work culture where there is distrust between employer and employee. It sounds like a purely selfish and transactional relationship. “I’m looking out for me and me alone”.
Body count matters because it’s an indicator that you will have hard time remaining faithful and trustworthy. Rarely is a high count person happy in a long term monogamous relationship.
Also worth mentioning is that sex is more likely to fizzle out for promiscuous folks over time. Been there done that with everyone, well then there's not much to look forward to is there. Especially with a single partner. Dead bedroom relationships usually result in infidelity by one or both partners. The saying, "the more sex before marriage, the less sex after" is particularly fitting here.
Ignore the body count of a woman at your own risk. Past behavior is the best predictor for future behavior. Particularly if you want to get married. Or do you want to invest tons of your time, love, energy and money in kids which are not your own?
Forgot an important part. Past behaviors are best predictors for your future behavior under SIMILAR circumstances. You're not entirely wrong, but you got to account for the changes in an individual's situation to really have an accurate assumption. Observing a single behavior, maybe even an assumed behavior is inaccurate.
@@paulcashew5795 You also forgot an important part: the long-term irreparable damage done by those past behaviors, which would negate any change in their circumstances. Additionally, it is better to assume a negative behavior done in the past and have your guard up than it is to not assume one and be vulnerable to a negative outcome.
@@TquanAye The irreparable damage isn't always the case for all negative behaviors. As research develops the answer to that will be revealed. I will say however, irreparable damage caused by behaviors often involve external substances. Other than those, most negative behaviors aren't causing irreparable damage. To your second point, you need a reason to trust, but also to distrust people. You can of course keep in mind past behaviors, but you can't use those to completely assume their present character. You should allow their present behaviors speak for themselves, divorced from any opinions you have of their past behaviors.
@@paulcashew5795 The specific negative behavior in question here is the "body count." I agree that not all negative behaviors translate to permanent damage, but when it comes to a woman being consciously intimate with multiple partners, it does have a very lasting impact mentally. One's reasons for distrust don't always have to be based on the person they are interacting with but rather the environment or society they come from. For example, if I were a villager from Africa and encountered a lady from the US in that village, I would not trust that she is wife material from the get-go because of the societal differences she comes from. While her present behaviors can influence how I judge her, her past will always impact her future.
@@TquanAye well that will be determined by research in the future. Currently there are no studies showing that a causal relationship between being promiscuous and permanent damage to bonding. This is not something you can claim is true, since it lacks evidence. That is how you should view everyone. That they need to prove themselves trustworthy. People aren't husband/wife material from the get go not matter the culture, that type of character suited for relationships is built over time within the relationship. I would go as far to say that no one going into a relationship is built for one. But point being that they learn and grow. You should never favor past behaviors over present ones. You should always be accepting of positive change in people's behaviors, not by being naïve, but acknowledging their good behaviors.
"we hold onto the past as a way of predicting how they're going to hurt us in the future" That's called empiricism. Gotta love the rationalizations for "my past doesn't matter and it's a character flaw in you to think it does." The power of accurate forecasting is called insecurity by those who don't want you to have it.
You make a really good point. It could also be that people who constantly do misdeeds in the past are trying to escape consequences by claiming that "the past doesn't matter." So, if a woman had many affairs and a very high body count from her wild early 20s, she could avoid consequences by claiming that "the past doesn't matter" and that men should love her as they would love a woman who never had an affair/low-to-zero body count. But no. You're right: the past DOES matter. The past gives indications of the kind of person you are, and it gives you clues as to what the future will be like. The misdeeds committed in the past will have consequences on the present and the future
One of the things that’s not spoken about enough is that a lot of men worry about a woman’s body count because it helps them access if they’re long term investments will be worth it or not. Women have become very promiscuous and whether people like it or not, men do not want to invest in women who many men have had before them. It’s one of those aspects that’s so important to men, that it’s almost a non-negotiable, especially for long term commitments. Women can keep gaslighting the situation by making it a “maturity” issue all they want, it won’t make a difference, men’s stand firmly on this.💯
@@Alix-yu8rq No one is projecting anything, you just now said a whole bunch of nothing. The point still stands. Body count is a non-negotiable for men when it comes to long term investments point period. Whether women want to also make it a non-negotiable or not is up to them.
@Alix-yu8rq why have marriage rates dropped by over 60% in the last 20 years then? Make your money, have your fun, just don't ask where all the good men are when your 35 and childless.
@@Alix-yu8rq ok. Whatever you say lol. But as a successful man in his mid 30s the number of women who get increasingly desperate as they age past 30 is just sad to me because I see it in my social group. Highest rates of psychotropic medication use is in unmarried childless women between 36-45. You don't have much time to get everything in order, 2 decades tops. Women play an entirely different game than men, you just don't seem to realise until that empty egg carton starts rattling. God bless and good luck 👍
It kind of is an interesting and original way to frame the body count conundrum, but really does fall apart after thinking about it for more than 10 seconds.
I think what she's actually saying is that a woman's sense of self-worth increases with every guy she has rejected. So if she's in a committed relationship while she keeps rejecting guys but has nobody to brag about, then she will eventually feel her value exceeds his, provided he isn't also rejecting lots of women. She'll end up looking at him thinking "do you have any idea of how many men I had to turn down in order to remain faithful to you?" but won't be able to express it. Meanwhile men don't care about how many men she's had to reject, they only care about the number of men she has _not_ rejected thus far.
@@Trazynnwhat she is actually saying is that we should look at the percentage of opportunities taken. She is partially right and here is why: Example 1: she had 10 proposals and slept with 10 people, that is 100% Example 2: she had 10 proposals and slept with 5, that is 50% percent Example 3: she had 5000 proposals and slept with 50, that is 1% If we look solely as percentages, examples 1 and 2 are way worse, but in reality that is not absolutely accurate. Statistics are not used based on percentage compared with radically different input. Of course, if a woman slept with every man that had such proposal, that is bad. However, we must look also at psychology. If a woman is not attractive, she is more inclined to sleep with a higher percentage of men that have such proposal, but if a woman is really attractive she becomes selective and even she likes to sleep around, won’t be able to sleep with all/high percentage of men that want her. That is why relationships between attractive people are less likely to last compared to less attractive people, because they don’t have the chance to cheat as often. Regarding your example, that a woman might think at some point it is not fair that she rejected all the men, while her man didn’t have to sacrifice as much in this area, that is a flawed thinking because an average woman is going to have way more opportunities than a top man. However, women often get confused in this area, as due to their subjective experience, they put an equal between potential sexual partners and potential relationships. Also, not self-worth increases when someone is rejected, but ego. Your mindset and mentality is linked to you self-worth, not the number of people are interested in you which you decide to reject.
There's a correlation between a high body count and both divorce rates and infidelity. However, to be fair, correlation does not imply causation. However, a high count should be viewed as a red flag. It makes sense that a woman who isn't easy to please or has a lot of problems will look everywhere.
It indirectly implies it because of the behavioral changes it facilitates. No the actual sex _might_ not be the reason, but the neurological, emotional reasons behind it most likely do.
I disagree. Its the proclivities of highly sexual women to be diffrent hormonally that causes the divorces. Women dont change that much after sex compared to after being juiced up with sex hormones. A higher estrogen women will both have sex more often and be more nuerotic.
I saw a scientific study that said that once a woman has 2-3 sexual partners, she loses her ability to pair-bond. Also virgin brides tend to have the longest and most successful marriages.
lose is a strong word. lots pf disappointing hookups will turn them bitter and you'll be paying for other men's mistakes. That much I'm willing to believe just based on observations.
Sorry, what? If I'm a trained boxer, it doesn't matter how many people I've killed in a bar fight, all that matters how many times I've refrained from doing so? Stellar logic
If you’re a trained boxer it would be wrong if upon learning that a bar denied you access for fear that you MIGHT kill someone in a bar fight though. So what she’s saying is what Bruce Lee was saying. She’s saying it’s not how many fights you’ve gotten into and won that makes you a great martial artist. It’s your ability to avoid getting into fights that makes you a great martial artist.
which explains why women would rather be with a guy with high body count over a loyal guy with no options because she craves security where as a man craves loyalty and if she has pairbonded with other dudes then she is unlikley to remain commited long term and divorce even if she doesn't cheat
You don’t value something you can easily replace nearly as much as something that is irreplaceable. A man with a high body count might be boyfriend material, but never husband material or father material. There is a difference in mindset between a person who sees sex as intimate, sacred and bonding, and a person who sees it as good fun and nothing else. One is less likely to feel the value and effect of intimacy if he has felt it 3 dozen times over and suppressed it.
It’s hard not to read this as high body count is good enough to get pregnant by but not good enough to raise his own kids. Low body count guy is good enough to take responsibility for kids but not good enough to sire them.
It's not jealousy, it's Bayesian. Huge difference between being her 3rd and her 43rd. Men don't care how many other men she's had to reject, they derive zero validation out of that. That's why tradwives are so popular, men would easily prefer an obscure woman living in a distant rural town over a celebrity worshipped by millions.
That's silly. Every attractive girl has rejected innumerable people interested in sleeping with them It's not about the rejections It's about the count and the baggage that comes along with it
Around 20% of children born today belong to a guy different from the father named on the birth certificate. That's why body count should be important to a man.
@@DTreatzthey dont release the data because it shows the same information. They banned paternity tests and deemed it damaging to the family because if the supposed fathers knew the truth it would lead to break ups of families. There was also the story, not sure if its real, of science classes doing blood tests to explain how parents pass on there blood type but it kept revealing the named father wasnt the father.
@@ginto1990 Easier to just Google the stats yourself. There's 2 sets of stats. The ones where the men alrready suspect the child is not theirs -that % is really high - and the stats that are due to medical tests for blood transfusions and organ donors, etc.
This. No excuse for "influencers" to talk about body count and not know the basic science. This whole conversations stinks of rationalization on both sides. They're not looking for what is true. They're looking to reatiopnalize what they want to be true.
I don't need studies to tell me I find women who sleep around disgusting. I simply do because it is. Water is wet, the sky is blue and garden tools are filthy creatures.
Changing the body count frame to a rejection rate frame kind of falls apart considering that women, even average women, get approached way more than even the top men. Especially considering that most women find 70-80% of men as unattractive, the rejection doesn't really mean anything. So even if you do have men trying to get with you, it doesn't necessarily mean you were selective. There's a difference between being approached by 95 unattractive men and 5 attractive men and the woman sleeping with ALL 5 attractive men when compared to a woman who only sleeps with 5 attractive men while being approached by 85 attractive men and 15 unattractive men. So the details matter. It's also more important to know if the past sexual partners were someone who the woman actually wanted to be with or if he was just a stranger/acquaintance who happened to be extremely attractive. Body count past the double digits should be a red flag. Body count in the single digits should be investigated more. Were her partners boyfriends? Were any of them hookups/fwb? How long did it take for her to sleep with someone? Is she holding you to the same standard? A lot can be revealed from body count, it's not something that carries zero weight, which is why it is important to men. History exists in many areas not just dating, there's employment history, rental history, credit history, etc. Overall, we need some way to judge someone's character. No one wants to employ the guy that was fired 8 times, rent to someone who was evicted 3 times, or lend money to someone with a 580 credit score. Same thing with body count
This whole conversation just proves how weak out culture is. It’s wrong because it dishonors the husband. Feeling dishonored doesn’t mean you’re insecure it means you’re a man. If you don’t feel dishonored, then there’s something deficient. We shouldn’t have to appeal to statistics to say that it’s wrong. it’s wrong because it’s dishonorable.
Also wrong because it's simply disgusting. We do not need 300 "peer-reviewed studies" to tell us water is wet. It simply is what it is and I, as a man, am repulsed by women who sleep around. I was long before any of this internet feminist crap and I always will be.
If you are in line for an ice cream, and everyone in front of you are getting an ice cream for a dollar, but when you get in line they tell you the ice cream is $100, thats exactly what men who ignore body count aré doing Overpaying for what everyone got for free
First part of this conversation feels like a psy-op. She knows very well why men dislike women with high body counts (evolution, ensuring paternity and pair-bonding). And yet still she tries to offer us an explanation that will serve her self interests, and the interests of her fan base the most.
@@buybuydandavis it would be rationalization if she was trying to convince herself. She's not. She looks happy with herself and doesn't have those slightly crazy eyes. She's trying to convice us. It's like when women say a real father is the one who steps up, not the biological father. It's all self serving bullshit that goes against your best interests and only benefits them.
@@infinityslibrarian5969she’s still rationalising. If she had a low body count she wouldn’t need to be talking about rejection rates. Or maybe she is rationalising on behalf of her friends. But still rationalising
@@gm9460 i don't think she's uncomfortable with her body count, or has issues attracting the men she wants, so no point in rationalizing on that front. If there is something that would cause her to do so it would probably be the way other people see her and think of her. She seems very socially adept, and people like that are very aware of how others think and feel about them. Personally I don't think it's that she's lying to herself in order to cope with the fact that she's not desirable as a long term mate. Cause it seems like she's a lovely person (all things considered), and more that she's lying to us, trying to do a psy-op in order to place herself in the best possible light. Highly social and charismatic people are always doing some social maneuvering and weird tongue-fu bullshit. They don't do mental gymnastics, they fuck with your feelings and make you do it for them.
I used to like her but the rejection ratio is a wild theory 😂😂😂😂 Clearly it means something whether or not you rejected as that shows your selectivity. But also how many and who you chose to be with shows your selectivity. Your selectivity shows what you value and what value you give to intimacy, sex, human connection and your body. So knowing someone's body count matters when it comes to choose a partner, as that would give further information on them. But the fact that a 25 year old has rejected 200 people and slept with 100 doesn't make it look like a low body count. Even if it's half of what they could have had. Man or woman doesn't matter, if you've been in the streets you've been in the streets.
The way I see it is men don't really think that far ahead. We don't want you to have slept with loads of guys. Now if you're that cute girl next door, we don't care if you rejected no guys or 100s, as long as your body count is low. As another commenter said, we don't care if the girl is an Eskimo and never seen another dude to reject them. It's just unnecessary spin on something that I'd already well established, we don't like high body counts. Thousands of years of virgins being the ideal and we are figuring this out for ourselves all over again... reinventing the wheel
That first part is the most illogical argument for body count I’ve ever heard. A girl who’s a 4 can download tinder and get 500 matches in no time, if she only sleeps with 25 of them does that means it’s ok cause she has a “high rejection “ rate? What complete clown world why anyone take this chick seriously is beyond me.
@@Ajax-wo3gttrying to communicate that she is talking nonsense to try and justify a body count for either herself or her friends or both that she knows is unacceptable to most men
She makes a logical point, rejection rate is a factor, but even then, if you had 1000 proposals and only consumed 10% of that, it is still a bodycount of 100, wich will in turn make you having a much harder time creating a long lasting bond in the future. All things equal, a higher rejection rate is obviously better, but a substantially higher actual bodycount still has the most emotional impact.
To me it sounds like a coping mechanism. If a women has a body count of 40 and has a “rejection rate” of x %.. quite honestly I don’t care about a rejection rate bc she still for the streets
That’s because it absolutely is. You don’t get women with low body counts saying stuff like this. It’s also her attempt to flex at the same time. “At least I’m not easy” is what she is attempting to say.
Having only been with one woman in my life, and now freshly divorced, I find all the red pill content about female body count so puzzling, since those influencers seem to be exactly the kind of men who contribute to women's body counts. So it's ok if you do it, but not if she does it. I'm sorry, I don't care what science says, if you are basing it on morality, it should apply both ways. Coming from a Christian background, the central idea is that anyone can be forgiven for their past. You could be the biggest sinner in the world and be redeemed and made righteous. I think this is sorely missing from the conversation. The idea that there is no way back from promiscuity is so helpless. And a woman believes there is no way back, why would she ever change her behavior? We need to make room for grace, but also have social proof that they are bearing, as the Bible says, fruits worthy of repentance. That means not dressing like a hoe, seeking attention on social media, going to clubs etc. I'm not a Christian anymore, but I see a lot of wisdom in these concepts.
Your argument would hold weight if women ever realised accountability for their actions, which they do not, they always try to justify them with bs excuses that only hold until they want a relationship with a guy, as soon as they are off the hook of that relationship, they typically repeat the process, have experienced it 1st hand
She's just saying body count doesn't matter if you have high SMV. Ignores how the ability to bond with future mates decreases as body count climbs. "Historical jealousy" is negative spin on the realization of decreasing ability to bond with each new partner. "Insecurity" as well. You *are* less secure the less your partner is *able* to bond with anyone.
data shows that when women have slept with 5 or more men the likelihood of her cheating and/or divorcing is 80%. your mental gymnastics are astonishing
Problem with the whole theory of "Rejection Rate" is straight away that is going to vary wildly from Male to Female in our current World.. so using it as measure for both sexes is off the table. Women, especially in this Social Media era are getting approached either online or in person by way more people of the Opposite Sex then even the top 1-5% of Guys. Maybe if this was the 90s or early 2000s something like Rejection Rate could be a good indicator, now it's not even comparable. Body Count is quite simple, the higher it is the more likely that person is jaded, if they haven't had a period of time alone to reflect their pair bonding is most likely fried as well. That's also assuming the person hasn't picked up a STD or anything Health Complication from high amounts of encounters. I'll be honest I'm no angel, I can't actually count anymore, even if I sit down in a dark room and reflect and try to remember them all I have lost count of my body count. That said I pretty much spent COVID alone, partly because I was ready for a change and partly because of the nature of the pandemic. So I have had a few years here to reflect and regather myself from all my encounters. I do not dislike Sadia, she has a lot of good takes, this is not one of them. Rejection Rate is pretty superficial in 2023, especially for women and especially if those women still sleep with a 1-3 different men each month.. but they reject 5 guys in there instagram DMs each week, like that's not gonna give you an accurate take on their Body Count and how it affects their Physical and Mental well being, I'm sorry it's not.
Body count means less to women because they care about being taken care of and having their kids taken care of. Men are interested in loyalty and real respect.. Men SHOULD care about body count and so should women. Everyone else can live with the consequences of their behaviour.
This is some crazy mental gymnastics to justify hookup culture. I think the issue is that women are giving themselves sexually to people they otherwise wouldn’t be in relationships with. Rejection rate doesn’t matter as much as the reason why she engages sexually with men. Choosing the right partner and dating with the intention of starting a family takes time. Time should ultimately be the limiting factor not how pretty the girl is. I think her opinion is toxic and does no good for anyone. Women are the gatekeepers of sex and they are abusing that power for the wrong reasons. MOST young women aren’t looking for relationships, they want the high that comes with hookup culture. I partly don’t blame them. Young people in general have been taught this. I didn’t get any guidance when it came to women, dating marriage or children so I turned to media, the internet and porn. People are hungry for trust and a women with a high body count is not trustworthy from a guy’s perspective. Who wants to get compared constantly to exes or cheated on?
Men cheat too and many girls who don't engage in hookup culture are insulted and ridiculed as boring or nuns. How many guys moreover search a serious relationship in their early 20s for example? NOT many. Try date men and you will se.
The real issue that nobody talks about is this: people often crave intimacy, especially the ones who look great on the outside but are carrying heavy emotional baggage. Many times, these are women who've been through a lot, and they might lean on their attractiveness as a way to feel close to someone, to belong, or to feel loved. When someone's dealing with unresolved trauma, it's like they have a magnet for attracting the wrong kind of partners-those "fixer-upper" types. They're not really looking for love; they're chasing the idea of it, trying to fill a void or escape their own pain through sex and relationships. But here's the thing: having a lot of partners isn't about being easy or not having standards. It's often about feeling incredibly lonely and searching for love in whatever way they can, even if it's not the healthiest. And society, especially men, might quick to judge this behavior without understanding the deeper, underlying issues. It's not about moral failing; it's a cry for help, a way of dealing with trauma that hasn't been properly addressed
A man cares only and only about the woman's past when he's looking for a wife, so he cares about the past of a particular woman. He doesn't care about the past of other women.
You are telling us the reason, but what you and other women dont understand is that men dont care what your reasons was for having 25 in bodycount, its still 25 no matter what reason you come up with. "i killed 4 people a few years ago beccause i felt lonley and angry". Sure its a reason, but it still says a lot of that person, right? No matter what you say, your sexual past is deeply rooted in your personality.
This might be believable to an extent, young naive woman confused, awkward in dating sleeps with a couple of guys thinking it's love she's found. Problem is when you've racked up especially a high double digit body count, that's no longer innocent, naive mistakes, it's deeper psychological issues. You obviously haven't realized after the first 10 guys, ok this isnt working, I need to try something else.
This is why you don't ask women a shame-loaded question. Notice how she replied with womanese that obfuscates the matter (look at the hypothetical percent of men they rejected) which you will never find out instead of giving an objective scientific answer that is backed up by data as you would expect a psychologist to answer. She most likely is aware of the literature but is emotionally invested in the answer and chooses hypotheticals instead of facts. Here are the cold hard facts from Wikipedia: " Having multiple sexual partners is linked with risks such as maternal deaths and complications, cancers, sexually transmitted infections, alcohol, and substance use, and social condemnation in some societies.[18] A higher number of sexual partners poses a greater risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases, mental health issues, and alcohol/substance use."
Instead of asking "why do men care about a woman's body count," people should instead be asking "why DON'T women care about a man's body count." If a man has been with over 100 women, he is demonstrating through his actions that he is either unwilling or unable to maintain a committed long-term relationship, so pursuing a committed long-term relationship with such a man is incredibly foolish. Relationships take work, so a high body count signals that the person isn't learning the habits that make a relationship work, and is instead learning the habits that cause them to frequently jump from one partner to the next. Past behaviors are a good predictor of future behaviors, so a high body count simply means that the relationship is more likely to fail.
Yes- I think both genders should care about body count. Someone that has low enough standards to sleep with everyone who approaches them, is likely someone that is insecure. Makes me sad for them because casual sex does not give people connection or meaning.
hi body count represents the state of one’s mind one’s moral compass one’s self esteem. ones stability with themselves.hi body count shows they are never yours just your turn .
Body count absolutely matters, but it's pointless asking a woman about it because they will try to rationalize it as Sadia just did, and the excuses will be endless. Men will gain experience with more partners, while woman gain trauma and disconnection with reality (bonding, views on love, loyalty, etc.).
@@Cocoisagordonsetteridc about your so called love life nor do I your orientation plus why you stating that you're straight to then just say something about you wouldn't date her 😂😂
Lol, shes defending her position. High body count (same as a bad character which is hard to knkw witbout a few dates) is a sign of infidelity (once you are used to a habit, its very hard to correct (it happens, but takes quite a lot of discipline and self control).
I wouldn't call it infidelity, because that would imply her sticking to the relationship while engaging with other men. But even if they are decent enough to end one thing before starting the next, the fact remains that once exiting relationships becomes a practiced process, how does one find the trust to invest in something that is likely not going to last?
To be fair i would expect a psychologist to be able to perform a cognitive reframe. And she doesn't disappoint and i suspect she has a s high body count.
The thing is she brushes past the fact about how this multifaceted and nuanced. 1) Let's begin with perhaps the obvious, a guy with high body count tends to be a much different story to a girl with a high body count. 2) With women, pretty much all of them have access to hundreds or thousands of men due to a bunch of things such as how many lonely desperate men there are and due to how much a lot of men want sex and men's sex drive lowering the barrier for the attractiveness of a girl their willing to sleep with. 3) As long as the women pass the certain threshold for niceness or attractiveness or whatever, then the difference in terms of access and getting approached by guys between the most attractive nice woman and the woman who barely passed the threshold for those things may not be a negligible difference. And in some cases the most attractive nice women may actually get approached less because of reasons such as the average guy thinking she's way above his league and therefore he does not even attempt the approach. 4) Bunch of other people in the comments have made good counterpoints to what she's saying too. Such as how body count for a woman is more emotional based than that of to a man. Therefore, if a woman even has a body count of higher than 1 then she was willing to sleep with someone who ended up not being her long lifetime partner (assuming the guy did not pass away).
Body count is not about historical jealousy. It’s about burning out the neural hardware that’s devoted to forming the mating bond. Women that have a high body count will have a more difficult time forming a deep, abiding mating bond. They are simply a bad gamble.
High body counts increase the chances of being an alpha widow who has done all things that if they were recorded and shown to you in a video you would run like Forest Gump. The challenge is, that while the woman was doing all that, the man was struggling to develop himself, and had they met that time, the woman would not have looked at him twice (his SMV was still low relative to hers). That is why our forefathers insisted on purity until marriage!
Let's not pretend that men and women have even remotely comparable sexual access. An average 5/10 woman has greater sexual access than your average A-list celebrity hunk. So yes, it's a different standard for men and for women.
What's considered a 5 out of 10 then buddy whats an average woman oh wait there isn't because you people still think you can put numbers on people and think its objective when it's not
@@bigcharva909 I think everyone instinctively knows what 5/10 means, it's another way of saying average looking and I think you know that too. Either you're being intentionally dense or you just don't want to accept reality because you don't think it's "nice" to say these things. Also who exactly are 'you people' ? I guess people that are blunt and don't sugar coat the truth in order to appear politically correct. Anyway, let me make the same point a different way if you don't like the way I phrased it there. Almost any woman can decide to sleep with multiple men per week (or even per day) if she chooses to, and can achieve this quite easily. Hardly any men have the capability to do that. And if you don't think that's the case I don't know what to tell you buddy because you're clearly not in touch with reality. That is why there is a different standard between the sexes about body count.
@@giaktilli you've no logic whatsoever about attraction and what someone does and doesn't find attractive and maybe those women who you say get it easier just don't want it with you hahah cry about that as well
@@giaktilli putting numbers on someone attraction is delusional pal, I know a lot more than you ever will, you're telling me then if you put 1 woman in a room with 50 men you're telling me all 50 are gonna find her attractive, very highly doubt it jump back in reality buddy
Normally I like what Sadia has to say... but I don't agree here.... I don't think the ratio is all that relevant. I think that the more sexual partners you have the less satisfied you'll be with your partners going forward but also the more you'll crave novelty.
I don't want want to marry someone who views beautiful physical intimacy as some fun commodity to trade and collect. A high body count not only enforces and expresses that mentality, but kills the ability to feel intimacy. It's that simple.
Sadia: excuse the French but this is a BS argument. Women get hit on and offers at the grocery store, gas station, McDonald’s, and thirty other places during a casual Tuesday. Saying a woman with a high body count on Wednesday doesn’t matter because she turned down 33 guys on Tuesday is not recognizing what men value.
My fiancé revealed her body count was 30. I felt sick/disgusted until she revealed her rejection rate was 97.4%. Now I feel lucky and special to be with someone so chaste
3:21 Is a perfect look into the female psyche. She believes because a person has been hurt before, they'll look into their partner's past to find a reason they'll be hurt again. When in reality, a person's past is indicative of what they'll do in the future. It's the same reason why a prospective job asks for your work history. If you've been moving from job to job for over a decade and never staying in one place for long, it shows that you are willing and able to leave that job to find a 'better' one, at any moment. Of course your new possible employer will look at that with caution, the same is said for dating.
Body count is like a used car mileage. A car that has a million miles of rough road on it and a couple of serious crashes behind it is not worth new car prices.
Women get jealous and threatened by their partners ex’s is because they don’t yet have that full package of security which is what a woman is looking for and for good reason. You simply have to trust someone and feel safe in order to have a stable healthy family unit.
This argument she made is besides the point. Women value men who can and will sleep with a ton of women and men and women look down on women who have a high body count. More partners for women equates to lower ability to pair bond. This is why body count matters. This virtuous argument is interesting but it has almost zero impact on the main issue at hand.
2:52 _"They couldn't have said 'no' (for the reason that) they were waiting for you."_ They could have, if the person they were waiting for was their future and sole spouse, as has been traditional throughout the world since back before written history. Modern society is bashing its head against sexual morality SO HARD trying to find "the solution" to it, when we collectively figured this out thousands and thousands of years ago.
Majority of females have a lot of access and options, that’s why it matters to guys. Even a 4 would have the same access if not more than a guy that’s a 10.
And buddy would you like to tell me why you think someone is a 10 or a 4 when attractiveness is subjective.... you're delusional pal for numbering people based on attractiveness
@@Trilluminati713 coming from a guy who's speaks likes it's from lala land who are you to put numbers on people... I'll let the women tell me if I'm hot or not.... incelation is strong with you buddy
The reason why they have body count more than 1 is because they have grown to think that it doesn't matter. If men came back to their senses, women would take themselves more seriously.
She is wrong. She is depreciating. This is what she said in her first sentence. Beautiful woman may have lots of man intresting. Rejection rate will be 97percent of 2000. So it will be 60 you will have to compete with. Regards
I think "rejection rate" is a cute attempt at parsing out value from body count but it doesn't matter for most men. For starters, "rejection rate" isn't anywhere as catchy as a concept as body count because it's nearly impossible to measure. Some women can barely keep track of how many men they've slept with, what makes Sadia think the average woman will keep track of how many men have propositioned to her on top of that in order to extract a percentage. Yes, you can sus out how in demand a person might be and I agree that a fit millionaire that remains celibate shows more self-restraint than a virgin that dwells in a basement, but the difference in value between such an accomplished person vs one who is not is self-evident and doesn't require a "rejection rate" to go on top of that. The same applies to women, you can very quickly separate the wheat from the chaff in order to determine value without having to look at their body count or rejection rate. The second reason why this doesn't work is because a strong component of men's aversion to women's body counts is biologically driven. It's just raw monke brain jealousy. If you have a woman that slept with 10/10 men that propositioned to her and another that slept with 10/100, the mental image, that is, the "ick" that men get from knowing that a woman slept around prior to being with them will remain. Sure, if you held a gun to their head and forced them to choose between the two they would choose the 10/100 woman but that won't make that "ick" go away. For western women to visualize this, imagine I told you you'll get the chance to date a man that is in the top 10% of income earners... in the Democratic Republic of Congo. So they bring home less than $1,000 per year. Or a man that is tall in his poor country and is 5'6. I could say to you: "No you don't understand! Given their circumstances, they're actually doing quite well in life!" Would western women compromise on their partner criteria because of the circumstances of the men? Probably not. The same applies for men. "No you don't get it, I fucked 100 men but 1 gorillion of them were trying to get into my bed!" yeah that's cool and all but we're not looking for women that have slept with 100 men regardless of circumstances. Other than that great interview, I watched the full video and agreed with most of Sadia Khan's takes.
A 304 with a high body count is like a porta poddy men will use one if the have to release an urge but you’ll never see them put a porta poddy in their house.
I get why some people don't like her take on rejection matters but there is some truth to it in the way that it matters how / why there was sexual intercourse. If a woman slept with 5 people in a span of 10 years (16 to 26) but she had a relationship with every one of them but it just did not work out. It is different to a woman becoming pretty or more outgoing at 24 and then sleeping with 5 men just because she can now and has no relationship. At least for me. Doesn't change the fact that the more men she had the higher chance of other bad things in general come to be. I just think it also matters how the number came to be.
I'VE LOST ALL RESPECT FOR HER !!! ...... THIS IS RIDICULOUS...... A HOT GIRL WITH 100 BODIES BUT HAS REJECTED 10,000 IS A BETTER SITUATION THAN AN AVERAGE WOMAN WITH 12 BUT HAS ONLY REJECTED 700.... HOW DO YOU WRITE WOMEN SO WELL?..... I TAKE A MAN AND I STRIP AWAY ALL LOGIC AND ACCOUNTABILITY
I disagree w prioritizing the kids over their partners Kids GET security from KNOWING that their PARENTS are OK. It is a model of how a family unit should be. Because a couple of podcasts after you’ll (Sadia) say something within the lines of “but when a child sees their parents having a conflict or when the relationship is unstable, this will create an insecurity…” (in Sadia’s lovely accent) I love her by the way so don’t hate.
Thus far, I have moved on from every relationship. I can say with almost 99% certainty that I don't look backwards. Why would I want a woman that does? What does that tell me about our relationship? If I'm focused on the now and she's even infrequently bringing up her past relationships, what does that say about her priorities?
It's an interesting framework, but it's not full proof. Let's say an attractive woman has been approached by 100 guys, but only slept with 10 of them. So she has a 90% rejection rate and 10% acceptance rate. Unfortunately that's not how the male psyche works. Its not, " Oh she rejected 90 guys, it's: Wow. she slept with ten guys already". Mind you statistical substantiality starts at 10%. Besides that it isn't a pure numbers game. It's more qualitative than that. When it comes down to our hypothetical situation here it shows this woman lacks intimacy, views sex as a casual activity, did not stay with any of the guys she was with, or all of those men left her. Besides we know men will have casual sex more often with women "uglier" than them because a man's affinity for casual sex is higher. As well as them being fine with a woman who's passively attractive. Yet women who're much more hypergamous than will not have sex with they find beneath them in SMV(Sexual Marketplace Value). So it doesn't matter if our hypothetical woman here rejected those 90 guys, because she would've rejected them in the first place. Raw empiricism is overshadowed by qualitative judgments for men when viewing women. And the High Rejection vs. Low acceptance rate only gets worse the woman as she accumulates more bodies.
"We're only threatened by women who have access to your resources" How to say "we don't care about you, we only care about the resources you provide us".
I wouldn't judge my man for his body count, as long as he is faithful to me, & same applies to me. If I have found someone wonderful enough to be loyal to, & know I will, that's what matters.
The difference is you'd have no reason to judge a man's body count since men's bodies aren't valued or carry the same exact significance to a woman that a woman's body does for a man... It would be like a man saying "I wouldn't judge my woman for making less money than I do, as long as she is faithful"...
Look, Chris I’ll watch the rest of the video But 1:06 in and I’m already skeptical of the logic here Not surprised that others are to Now, back to the video
A man having a low body count, who’s also not a viable option for women, is not… a problem many men have Its a rare man that requires a lot of effort to be in a position of optionality To then reject so many offers In order to prove he’s virtuous Which really depends on who’s definition of virtuous we’re talking about Because if it’s nature’s then no If it’s religious or conservative Then yes
It is jealousy because women have access to near endless optionality by default From this side of the fence It does seem like women have it far easier in society At least in modern society
Every culture in the world has a dim view on promiscuous women. In my opinion that is due to the overspill promiscuity brings. Emotional damage, often far, far more baggage, unresolved issues, trauma, and so on. Personally I believe if you sleep around you demonstrate poor life choices (applies to both genders). If we were talking about various criminal activities we would not be so hasty to forgive. Your past matters, and only you get to control it in real time. Again, this applies to both genders. I clearly remember speaking to an elder in Afghanistan years ago, who explained the typical emotional and behavioural problems of promiscuous women, and how he strongly advised his sons and male relatives to steer clear of the potential issues. My takeaway from that conversation was that this is cross-cultural, global, and the evidence strongly suggests predictable outcomes relative to marriage/divorce for people with an active past. I don't buy the rejection rate argument. It's little more than a thinly veiled attempt at a smart spin that fails to stand up to any scrutiny. If you aren't careful about who you give yourself to, that's on you.
The fact that it’s even a question is a joke. To show how much it matters for heterosexual relationships, picture a room or even just a lineup of all the guys (or girls) that a woman/man has slept with. Think about this logically. Do you really want a partner where you walk into the room and there’s 20 different dudes? 40? Even higher than that? What if you’re a women? Do you want a guy who has 50 different women in the room? Just doesn’t feel right imo. Anything over 10 is sus as hell
The way I like to do it is to verbalise what it actually means to have a body count of 20 guys. So for example if a girl told me she had 20 guys, I would get my head around it like this: She slept with a guy, then another guy, another guy, another guy, another guy, another guy, another guy, another guy, another guy... and that's only 9 guys right there lol
The fact is body count is important to a lot of men and women will be judged by their actions. Delving into the why men think this way is on some levels asking to make an argument that it shouldn’t be important, and that it needs to be justified. If it’s important to your partner you’re left with a pretty basic question, accept it important to them or don’t. I’d argue tell the truth and let the chips fall when there will.
WOW! I bet this fine woman has now at least 4 or 5 jobs out of the 100s that have been offered her - as chief propagandist for the biggest names in media!
It comes down to genetics really. Women whether they like it or not get a connection to the man they sleep with and men dont get that. A women who slept with alot of men will have underlying trauma because of all the broken connections. Seriously though if shes been with over 20,30,40,50 men do you want to be 51? Nah. Plus you know there probably is high chance you wont be the best shes ever had either and she WILL compare you
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The mental gymnastics women cook up to dismiss body count are endless. It matters. Every study has concluded that women with lower notch counts make better long term choices for men.
The entire narrative excuses attractive women that sleep with a lot of men because, lets say, she “only” slept with 50 guys out of 5k proposals and that means 1%. Indeed the mental gymnastics used is out of this world.
She is right about one thing though, something closed to 0% chances of occuring, if she agrees to sleep around with all the men that propose that, even if she has a low body count, that is an issue. However I would really like to see how a woman that had lets say 5 sexual proposals in her life looks, as there was a Tinder experiment with a morbidly obese woman that got 3x the likes of a really attractive man.
Men are also judged by their body count.
Have you considered having Sadia Khan in your podcast? It would be a great conversation
Preach Rich
Can you link some studies?
It's a sign of character and self control. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Only it's same for both genders 😊. For a relationship to work, both sides need to be satisfied and loyal. When you look back in the days, one-two generations ago women were the ones that were more loyal, now the tables turned.
@@jasminasinanbegovic6225 High body count for women is a signal of how much she has ALLOWED. The body count of men is a signal of how much he has EARNED or persuaded. The former is not a factor of attraction for men. The latter though, is an indicator of looks, status, and competency which ARE ATTRACTIVE to most women.
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@@marvzramos2992let's not be hypocritical if a man wants a woman with a low body count his body count should match hers or he's a hypocrite
@@Halo-723 No because the reason for wanting a lower body count is different. If he was asking for a low body count in the name of discipline and character but at the same time had a high body count because he could easily sleep around, that would be hypocritical. However, if his goal was simply to improve his sexual skill then that wouldn't be hypocritical, as men need to be good at sex unlike women who don't - it's only hypocritical if the man is able to get sex easily like women are able to get sex easily
Let me put it this way. You're running a business and you're looking for employees. Two people apply: one of them has had over 150 jobs in 5 years, the other has only had 2 jobs. Which one is more likely to be a loyal employee?
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Depends on how long the person had each of their two jobs? Like what if they got fired after a week both times, and have then been unable to get hired for 4 years and 50 weeks?
You’re a misogynist. She is exploring her career options trying to find herself before she fully commits to the corporate world. She now doesn’t have to settle for an employer she doesn’t like so why would she limit herself? It’s empowering to hold two jobs at once and she should always strive for higher pay. Employees have been slaves to the employer for all of history and deserve to be independent. That employer should shut his mouth and be grateful he can get any employees at all. There are a lot of better employers out there that would hire her in an instant.
I wrote this sarcastically but it’s an interesting analogy. This sounds like a work culture where there is distrust between employer and employee. It sounds like a purely selfish and transactional relationship. “I’m looking out for me and me alone”.
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Body count matters because it’s an indicator that you will have hard time remaining faithful and trustworthy. Rarely is a high count person happy in a long term monogamous relationship.
A counter argument to this is, they have gotten the urge to procreate out of their system and are more likely to remain faithful.
@@dazzykingetting the urge out of your system is bs,if you participate in a habit it gets stronger not weaker lol
@@dazzykin once they have kids and stability, that urge is gone and everything is going to shit. Your argument is a kids mindset
Atlantis and bj4xc, Your arguments are of the nature "your argument is bs because I say so". Not supported with facts or anything. Yeah not buying it.
Also worth mentioning is that sex is more likely to fizzle out for promiscuous folks over time. Been there done that with everyone, well then there's not much to look forward to is there. Especially with a single partner. Dead bedroom relationships usually result in infidelity by one or both partners.
The saying, "the more sex before marriage, the less sex after" is particularly fitting here.
Ignore the body count of a woman at your own risk. Past behavior is the best predictor for future behavior.
Particularly if you want to get married.
Or do you want to invest tons of your time, love, energy and money in kids which are not your own?
Forgot an important part. Past behaviors are best predictors for your future behavior under SIMILAR circumstances. You're not entirely wrong, but you got to account for the changes in an individual's situation to really have an accurate assumption. Observing a single behavior, maybe even an assumed behavior is inaccurate.
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You also forgot an important part: the long-term irreparable damage done by those past behaviors, which would negate any change in their circumstances. Additionally, it is better to assume a negative behavior done in the past and have your guard up than it is to not assume one and be vulnerable to a negative outcome.
@@TquanAye The irreparable damage isn't always the case for all negative behaviors. As research develops the answer to that will be revealed. I will say however, irreparable damage caused by behaviors often involve external substances. Other than those, most negative behaviors aren't causing irreparable damage.
To your second point, you need a reason to trust, but also to distrust people. You can of course keep in mind past behaviors, but you can't use those to completely assume their present character. You should allow their present behaviors speak for themselves, divorced from any opinions you have of their past behaviors.
@@paulcashew5795 The specific negative behavior in question here is the "body count." I agree that not all negative behaviors translate to permanent damage, but when it comes to a woman being consciously intimate with multiple partners, it does have a very lasting impact mentally.
One's reasons for distrust don't always have to be based on the person they are interacting with but rather the environment or society they come from. For example, if I were a villager from Africa and encountered a lady from the US in that village, I would not trust that she is wife material from the get-go because of the societal differences she comes from. While her present behaviors can influence how I judge her, her past will always impact her future.
@@TquanAye well that will be determined by research in the future. Currently there are no studies showing that a causal relationship between being promiscuous and permanent damage to bonding. This is not something you can claim is true, since it lacks evidence.
That is how you should view everyone. That they need to prove themselves trustworthy. People aren't husband/wife material from the get go not matter the culture, that type of character suited for relationships is built over time within the relationship. I would go as far to say that no one going into a relationship is built for one. But point being that they learn and grow.
You should never favor past behaviors over present ones. You should always be accepting of positive change in people's behaviors, not by being naïve, but acknowledging their good behaviors.
"we hold onto the past as a way of predicting how they're going to hurt us in the future"
That's called empiricism.
Gotta love the rationalizations for "my past doesn't matter and it's a character flaw in you to think it does."
The power of accurate forecasting is called insecurity by those who don't want you to have it.
My goodness, I have to give it to you , you sound inordinately intelligent.
I don't even care if the garden tool isn't going to cheat. It's disgusting regardless of what the future holds.
O mannnnnn!! This last line is to die forrr!!!!!
On God. Well said.
You make a really good point.
It could also be that people who constantly do misdeeds in the past are trying to escape consequences by claiming that "the past doesn't matter."
So, if a woman had many affairs and a very high body count from her wild early 20s, she could avoid consequences by claiming that "the past doesn't matter" and that men should love her as they would love a woman who never had an affair/low-to-zero body count.
But no. You're right: the past DOES matter. The past gives indications of the kind of person you are, and it gives you clues as to what the future will be like. The misdeeds committed in the past will have consequences on the present and the future
It makes me so happy to see this comment section rejecting her terrible take
it doesnt matter because still western men marry women with higher body count
well yeah that some 304 streets gross shit excuse am being deadass fr not capping here
One of the things that’s not spoken about enough is that a lot of men worry about a woman’s body count because it helps them access if they’re long term investments will be worth it or not. Women have become very promiscuous and whether people like it or not, men do not want to invest in women who many men have had before them. It’s one of those aspects that’s so important to men, that it’s almost a non-negotiable, especially for long term commitments. Women can keep gaslighting the situation by making it a “maturity” issue all they want, it won’t make a difference, men’s stand firmly on this.💯
@@Alix-yu8rq No one is projecting anything, you just now said a whole bunch of nothing. The point still stands. Body count is a non-negotiable for men when it comes to long term investments point period. Whether women want to also make it a non-negotiable or not is up to them.
@Alix-yu8rq why have marriage rates dropped by over 60% in the last 20 years then? Make your money, have your fun, just don't ask where all the good men are when your 35 and childless.
Modern women are not promiscuous , you are worrying about a non existent problem .
@@Alix-yu8rq ok. Whatever you say lol. But as a successful man in his mid 30s the number of women who get increasingly desperate as they age past 30 is just sad to me because I see it in my social group. Highest rates of psychotropic medication use is in unmarried childless women between 36-45. You don't have much time to get everything in order, 2 decades tops. Women play an entirely different game than men, you just don't seem to realise until that empty egg carton starts rattling. God bless and good luck 👍
@@Alix-yu8rqKeep monkey branching and hit the wall...invest in cat food and boxed wine 😊
It kind of is an interesting and original way to frame the body count conundrum, but really does fall apart after thinking about it for more than 10 seconds.
I think what she's actually saying is that a woman's sense of self-worth increases with every guy she has rejected. So if she's in a committed relationship while she keeps rejecting guys but has nobody to brag about, then she will eventually feel her value exceeds his, provided he isn't also rejecting lots of women. She'll end up looking at him thinking "do you have any idea of how many men I had to turn down in order to remain faithful to you?" but won't be able to express it. Meanwhile men don't care about how many men she's had to reject, they only care about the number of men she has _not_ rejected thus far.
Watch the vid us chick's bodycounts are crazy. The women say bodycounts matter
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@@Trazynnwhat she is actually saying is that we should look at the percentage of opportunities taken. She is partially right and here is why:
Example 1: she had 10 proposals and slept with 10 people, that is 100%
Example 2: she had 10 proposals and slept with 5, that is 50% percent
Example 3: she had 5000 proposals and slept with 50, that is 1%
If we look solely as percentages, examples 1 and 2 are way worse, but in reality that is not absolutely accurate. Statistics are not used based on percentage compared with radically different input.
Of course, if a woman slept with every man that had such proposal, that is bad. However, we must look also at psychology.
If a woman is not attractive, she is more inclined to sleep with a higher percentage of men that have such proposal, but if a woman is really attractive she becomes selective and even she likes to sleep around, won’t be able to sleep with all/high percentage of men that want her.
That is why relationships between attractive people are less likely to last compared to less attractive people, because they don’t have the chance to cheat as often.
Regarding your example, that a woman might think at some point it is not fair that she rejected all the men, while her man didn’t have to sacrifice as much in this area, that is a flawed thinking because an average woman is going to have way more opportunities than a top man. However, women often get confused in this area, as due to their subjective experience, they put an equal between potential sexual partners and potential relationships.
Also, not self-worth increases when someone is rejected, but ego. Your mindset and mentality is linked to you self-worth, not the number of people are interested in you which you decide to reject.
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There's a correlation between a high body count and both divorce rates and infidelity. However, to be fair, correlation does not imply causation. However, a high count should be viewed as a red flag. It makes sense that a woman who isn't easy to please or has a lot of problems will look everywhere.
It indirectly implies it because of the behavioral changes it facilitates.
No the actual sex _might_ not be the reason, but the neurological, emotional reasons behind it most likely do.
I disagree. Its the proclivities of highly sexual women to be diffrent hormonally that causes the divorces. Women dont change that much after sex compared to after being juiced up with sex hormones. A higher estrogen women will both have sex more often and be more nuerotic.
Modern women aren’t promiscuous , you are worrying about a non existent problem .
@@jposhpaws2588how much for the bot?
Statistically in both men and women bonding decreases after 6 partners
I saw a scientific study that said that once a woman has 2-3 sexual partners, she loses her ability to pair-bond. Also virgin brides tend to have the longest and most successful marriages.
Would love to look at that study, mind telling me what it’s called?
lose is a strong word. lots pf disappointing hookups will turn them bitter and you'll be paying for other men's mistakes. That much I'm willing to believe just based on observations.
Humans are not birds.
@@DennisNeijmeijer Men also get bitter after relationships. People can have traumas, they are humans! We don't need to be happy all the time.
Statistically in BOTH men and women bonding decreases after 6 partners....from one of Rollo's graphs.
Sorry, what? If I'm a trained boxer, it doesn't matter how many people I've killed in a bar fight, all that matters how many times I've refrained from doing so? Stellar logic
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If you’re a trained boxer it would be wrong if upon learning that a bar denied you access for fear that you MIGHT kill someone in a bar fight though. So what she’s saying is what Bruce Lee was saying. She’s saying it’s not how many fights you’ve gotten into and won that makes you a great martial artist. It’s your ability to avoid getting into fights that makes you a great martial artist.
@@jdilligrd That's an awful analogy. Worse than the feminist cope in the video.
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Men seek loyalty, women seek security. Body count matters in loyalty, access matters to security.
which explains why women would rather be with a guy with high body count over a loyal guy with no options because she craves security where as a man craves loyalty and if she has pairbonded with other dudes then she is unlikley to remain commited long term and divorce even if she doesn't cheat
@@LavaSlayer77 A man with a high body count is not likely to be loyal and actually it's pretty disgusting to have no self control. Get a grip.
@@Elisabetta.10980A man that can get a high body count has no problem replacing women. That is the reality that you seem to ignore.
You don’t value something you can easily replace nearly as much as something that is irreplaceable.
A man with a high body count might be boyfriend material, but never husband material or father material.
There is a difference in mindset between a person who sees sex as intimate, sacred and bonding, and a person who sees it as good fun and nothing else.
One is less likely to feel the value and effect of intimacy if he has felt it 3 dozen times over and suppressed it.
It’s hard not to read this as high body count is good enough to get pregnant by but not good enough to raise his own kids.
Low body count guy is good enough to take responsibility for kids but not good enough to sire them.
It's not jealousy, it's Bayesian. Huge difference between being her 3rd and her 43rd. Men don't care how many other men she's had to reject, they derive zero validation out of that. That's why tradwives are so popular, men would easily prefer an obscure woman living in a distant rural town over a celebrity worshipped by millions.
Based as fuck.
That's silly. Every attractive girl has rejected innumerable people interested in sleeping with them
It's not about the rejections
It's about the count and the baggage that comes along with it
Hence why it is an attractive girl making the argument as rationalisation. It make whatever her count is better in her own mind
@@gm9460she's not attractive hahahahaha though
@@gm9460if you think that is attractive wake up
@@gm9460 Maybe she has a high count lol
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Around 20% of children born today belong to a guy different from the father named on the birth certificate. That's why body count should be important to a man.
Birth certificates mean fkall, I want to see the receipts (PATERNITY TEST)
Who cares? That's how you get genetic variety. Imagine all kids coming from the same gene pool.
Be nice if the father would know about it though.
@@DTreatzthey dont release the data because it shows the same information. They banned paternity tests and deemed it damaging to the family because if the supposed fathers knew the truth it would lead to break ups of families. There was also the story, not sure if its real, of science classes doing blood tests to explain how parents pass on there blood type but it kept revealing the named father wasnt the father.
I'm not doubting these stats at all, just wondering do you know where the source for this 20% figure comes from? I've never heard this before
@@ginto1990 Easier to just Google the stats yourself. There's 2 sets of stats. The ones where the men alrready suspect the child is not theirs -that % is really high - and the stats that are due to medical tests for blood transfusions and organ donors, etc.
Nobody ever thinks it will affect their pair bonding, but science definitively proves that it does
Affects in both men and women after 6 partners
This.
No excuse for "influencers" to talk about body count and not know the basic science.
This whole conversations stinks of rationalization on both sides.
They're not looking for what is true. They're looking to reatiopnalize what they want to be true.
Do show some studies
I don't need studies to tell me I find women who sleep around disgusting. I simply do because it is. Water is wet, the sky is blue and garden tools are filthy creatures.
Nope, humans don't pair bond like birds
A man who doesn’t care about her body count isn’t looking at her as a wife. He’s categorized her as a release valve
Changing the body count frame to a rejection rate frame kind of falls apart considering that women, even average women, get approached way more than even the top men. Especially considering that most women find 70-80% of men as unattractive, the rejection doesn't really mean anything. So even if you do have men trying to get with you, it doesn't necessarily mean you were selective. There's a difference between being approached by 95 unattractive men and 5 attractive men and the woman sleeping with ALL 5 attractive men when compared to a woman who only sleeps with 5 attractive men while being approached by 85 attractive men and 15 unattractive men. So the details matter. It's also more important to know if the past sexual partners were someone who the woman actually wanted to be with or if he was just a stranger/acquaintance who happened to be extremely attractive. Body count past the double digits should be a red flag. Body count in the single digits should be investigated more. Were her partners boyfriends? Were any of them hookups/fwb? How long did it take for her to sleep with someone? Is she holding you to the same standard? A lot can be revealed from body count, it's not something that carries zero weight, which is why it is important to men. History exists in many areas not just dating, there's employment history, rental history, credit history, etc. Overall, we need some way to judge someone's character. No one wants to employ the guy that was fired 8 times, rent to someone who was evicted 3 times, or lend money to someone with a 580 credit score. Same thing with body count
"This chick is a keeper! She has a 90% rejection rate to sex."
_the woman getting approached by 10 guys every night_
This is hilarious and sounds like some math Tiger Woods was trying to convince his wife of.
Hahaha hahaha what a point
@syedtayyab5142 but honey i rejected 10,000
@@MrStreetninja007 hahahaha
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You know her body count is questionable.
Hahaha
This whole conversation just proves how weak out culture is. It’s wrong because it dishonors the husband. Feeling dishonored doesn’t mean you’re insecure it means you’re a man. If you don’t feel dishonored, then there’s something deficient. We shouldn’t have to appeal to statistics to say that it’s wrong. it’s wrong because it’s dishonorable.
Also wrong because it's simply disgusting. We do not need 300 "peer-reviewed studies" to tell us water is wet. It simply is what it is and I, as a man, am repulsed by women who sleep around. I was long before any of this internet feminist crap and I always will be.
Or it dishoners the wife, I mean it is dishonorable for both the man and the woman.
If you are in line for an ice cream, and everyone in front of you are getting an ice cream for a dollar, but when you get in line they tell you the ice cream is $100, thats exactly what men who ignore body count aré doing
Overpaying for what everyone got for free
First part of this conversation feels like a psy-op. She knows very well why men dislike women with high body counts (evolution, ensuring paternity and pair-bonding).
And yet still she tries to offer us an explanation that will serve her self interests, and the interests of her fan base the most.
Be a better beta
shorter: It's all ratiponalization and rhetoric.
@@buybuydandavis it would be rationalization if she was trying to convince herself. She's not. She looks happy with herself and doesn't have those slightly crazy eyes.
She's trying to convice us.
It's like when women say a real father is the one who steps up, not the biological father. It's all self serving bullshit that goes against your best interests and only benefits them.
@@infinityslibrarian5969she’s still rationalising. If she had a low body count she wouldn’t need to be talking about rejection rates. Or maybe she is rationalising on behalf of her friends. But still rationalising
@@gm9460 i don't think she's uncomfortable with her body count, or has issues attracting the men she wants, so no point in rationalizing on that front.
If there is something that would cause her to do so it would probably be the way other people see her and think of her. She seems very socially adept, and people like that are very aware of how others think and feel about them.
Personally I don't think it's that she's lying to herself in order to cope with the fact that she's not desirable as a long term mate. Cause it seems like she's a lovely person (all things considered), and more that she's lying to us, trying to do a psy-op in order to place herself in the best possible light.
Highly social and charismatic people are always doing some social maneuvering and weird tongue-fu bullshit.
They don't do mental gymnastics, they fuck with your feelings and make you do it for them.
I used to like her but the rejection ratio is a wild theory 😂😂😂😂
Clearly it means something whether or not you rejected as that shows your selectivity.
But also how many and who you chose to be with shows your selectivity.
Your selectivity shows what you value and what value you give to intimacy, sex, human connection and your body.
So knowing someone's body count matters when it comes to choose a partner, as that would give further information on them.
But the fact that a 25 year old has rejected 200 people and slept with 100 doesn't make it look like a low body count. Even if it's half of what they could have had. Man or woman doesn't matter, if you've been in the streets you've been in the streets.
Also keep in mind that by that logic every onlyfans girl becomes a saint because she probably rejected thousands of men at least...
The way I see it is men don't really think that far ahead. We don't want you to have slept with loads of guys. Now if you're that cute girl next door, we don't care if you rejected no guys or 100s, as long as your body count is low. As another commenter said, we don't care if the girl is an Eskimo and never seen another dude to reject them.
It's just unnecessary spin on something that I'd already well established, we don't like high body counts. Thousands of years of virgins being the ideal and we are figuring this out for ourselves all over again... reinventing the wheel
I feel her body count is high and has experience 😀🤣🤣
@@happydogg312quite likely. She basically admits this. but still irrelevant
That first part is the most illogical argument for body count I’ve ever heard. A girl who’s a 4 can download tinder and get 500 matches in no time, if she only sleeps with 25 of them does that means it’s ok cause she has a “high rejection “ rate? What complete clown world why anyone take this chick seriously is beyond me.
Exactly.. I was thinking the same thing. The hubris and verbal gymnastics with Sadia are off the charts
Some people are really good with words…
NOPE. numbers matter.
frfr no cap men
This is a ridiculous concept... Completely obliterated by real world statistics and experience.
What exactly are you trying to communicate here? Can you back up what you’re saying with evidence?
@@Ajax-wo3gtthere are numerous other videos of this very channel where people provide the statistics.
@@Ajax-wo3gttrying to communicate that she is talking nonsense to try and justify a body count for either herself or her friends or both that she knows is unacceptable to most men
@@gm9460 You’re not the OP. I’m sure he can answer for himself. But thanks for your uninvited input.
We do not need statistics to know water is wet. Sleeping around is disgusting. It just is what it is. No need for Dr Magoo to tell you otherwise.
She makes a logical point, rejection rate is a factor, but even then, if you had 1000 proposals and only consumed 10% of that, it is still a bodycount of 100, wich will in turn make you having a much harder time creating a long lasting bond in the future. All things equal, a higher rejection rate is obviously better, but a substantially higher actual bodycount still has the most emotional impact.
To me it sounds like a coping mechanism. If a women has a body count of 40 and has a “rejection rate” of x %.. quite honestly I don’t care about a rejection rate bc she still for the streets
That’s because it absolutely is. You don’t get women with low body counts saying stuff like this. It’s also her attempt to flex at the same time. “At least I’m not easy” is what she is attempting to say.
Sadia Khan doesn't speak on behalf on men, so her opinion on bodycount does not matter when it comes to men
fr it's biased af
why? she did her researh and interacts with a lot of men
Modern women aren’t promiscuous , why worry about a non existent problem .
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644it's the research she didn't do and the men she didn't interact with that matters, obviously
@@billytheripper4 they dont matter
Having only been with one woman in my life, and now freshly divorced, I find all the red pill content about female body count so puzzling, since those influencers seem to be exactly the kind of men who contribute to women's body counts. So it's ok if you do it, but not if she does it. I'm sorry, I don't care what science says, if you are basing it on morality, it should apply both ways.
Coming from a Christian background, the central idea is that anyone can be forgiven for their past. You could be the biggest sinner in the world and be redeemed and made righteous. I think this is sorely missing from the conversation. The idea that there is no way back from promiscuity is so helpless. And a woman believes there is no way back, why would she ever change her behavior?
We need to make room for grace, but also have social proof that they are bearing, as the Bible says, fruits worthy of repentance. That means not dressing like a hoe, seeking attention on social media, going to clubs etc. I'm not a Christian anymore, but I see a lot of wisdom in these concepts.
Men and women have vastly different sexual market strategies. To think that the standards are not different is ignorant.
Your argument is not one i hear often, i think it carries weight to a degree.
Your argument would hold weight if women ever realised accountability for their actions, which they do not, they always try to justify them with bs excuses that only hold until they want a relationship with a guy, as soon as they are off the hook of that relationship, they typically repeat the process, have experienced it 1st hand
Wow, a reasonable argument. Thank you
She's just saying body count doesn't matter if you have high SMV.
Ignores how the ability to bond with future mates decreases as body count climbs.
"Historical jealousy" is negative spin on the realization of decreasing ability to bond with each new partner.
"Insecurity" as well. You *are* less secure the less your partner is *able* to bond with anyone.
data shows that when women have slept with 5 or more men the likelihood of her cheating and/or divorcing is 80%. your mental gymnastics are astonishing
"data shows" blah blah. What does it show for men? Surely it must be similar, right? 🤣
@@FavMutual Only because the woman isn't divorcing herself... so the ensuing divorce will be added for both.
Thanks for the gaslight Sadia.
Problem with the whole theory of "Rejection Rate" is straight away that is going to vary wildly from Male to Female in our current World.. so using it as measure for both sexes is off the table. Women, especially in this Social Media era are getting approached either online or in person by way more people of the Opposite Sex then even the top 1-5% of Guys. Maybe if this was the 90s or early 2000s something like Rejection Rate could be a good indicator, now it's not even comparable.
Body Count is quite simple, the higher it is the more likely that person is jaded, if they haven't had a period of time alone to reflect their pair bonding is most likely fried as well. That's also assuming the person hasn't picked up a STD or anything Health Complication from high amounts of encounters.
I'll be honest I'm no angel, I can't actually count anymore, even if I sit down in a dark room and reflect and try to remember them all I have lost count of my body count. That said I pretty much spent COVID alone, partly because I was ready for a change and partly because of the nature of the pandemic. So I have had a few years here to reflect and regather myself from all my encounters.
I do not dislike Sadia, she has a lot of good takes, this is not one of them. Rejection Rate is pretty superficial in 2023, especially for women and especially if those women still sleep with a 1-3 different men each month.. but they reject 5 guys in there instagram DMs each week, like that's not gonna give you an accurate take on their Body Count and how it affects their Physical and Mental well being, I'm sorry it's not.
It’s clearly her own way of coping. Top tier hamster wheeling from her to justify a higher body count than she’d actually like to admit
@@gm9460 Yeah, truly does seem like a cope honestly.
Body count means less to women because they care about being taken care of and having their kids taken care of. Men are interested in loyalty and real respect.. Men SHOULD care about body count and so should women. Everyone else can live with the consequences of their behaviour.
Believe me, the number matters big time if you want a loyal girl who won't just message guys out of boredom, because she will.
This is some crazy mental gymnastics to justify hookup culture. I think the issue is that women are giving themselves sexually to people they otherwise wouldn’t be in relationships with. Rejection rate doesn’t matter as much as the reason why she engages sexually with men. Choosing the right partner and dating with the intention of starting a family takes time. Time should ultimately be the limiting factor not how pretty the girl is. I think her opinion is toxic and does no good for anyone.
Women are the gatekeepers of sex and they are abusing that power for the wrong reasons. MOST young women aren’t looking for relationships, they want the high that comes with hookup culture. I partly don’t blame them. Young people in general have been taught this. I didn’t get any guidance when it came to women, dating marriage or children so I turned to media, the internet and porn. People are hungry for trust and a women with a high body count is not trustworthy from a guy’s perspective. Who wants to get compared constantly to exes or cheated on?
Men cheat too and many girls who don't engage in hookup culture are insulted and ridiculed as boring or nuns. How many guys moreover search a serious relationship in their early 20s for example? NOT many. Try date men and you will se.
You summed it up perfectly 💯👍
The real issue that nobody talks about is this: people often crave intimacy, especially the ones who look great on the outside but are carrying heavy emotional baggage. Many times, these are women who've been through a lot, and they might lean on their attractiveness as a way to feel close to someone, to belong, or to feel loved. When someone's dealing with unresolved trauma, it's like they have a magnet for attracting the wrong kind of partners-those "fixer-upper" types. They're not really looking for love; they're chasing the idea of it, trying to fill a void or escape their own pain through sex and relationships.
But here's the thing: having a lot of partners isn't about being easy or not having standards. It's often about feeling incredibly lonely and searching for love in whatever way they can, even if it's not the healthiest. And society, especially men, might quick to judge this behavior without understanding the deeper, underlying issues. It's not about moral failing; it's a cry for help, a way of dealing with trauma that hasn't been properly addressed
A man cares only and only about the woman's past when he's looking for a wife, so he cares about the past of a particular woman. He doesn't care about the past of other women.
You are telling us the reason, but what you and other women dont understand is that men dont care what your reasons was for having 25 in bodycount, its still 25 no matter what reason you come up with.
"i killed 4 people a few years ago beccause i felt lonley and angry".
Sure its a reason, but it still says a lot of that person, right?
No matter what you say, your sexual past is deeply rooted in your personality.
This might be believable to an extent, young naive woman confused, awkward in dating sleeps with a couple of guys thinking it's love she's found. Problem is when you've racked up especially a high double digit body count, that's no longer innocent, naive mistakes, it's deeper psychological issues. You obviously haven't realized after the first 10 guys, ok this isnt working, I need to try something else.
This is why you don't ask women a shame-loaded question. Notice how she replied with womanese that obfuscates the matter (look at the hypothetical percent of men they rejected) which you will never find out instead of giving an objective scientific answer that is backed up by data as you would expect a psychologist to answer. She most likely is aware of the literature but is emotionally invested in the answer and chooses hypotheticals instead of facts. Here are the cold hard facts from Wikipedia:
" Having multiple sexual partners is linked with risks such as maternal deaths and complications, cancers, sexually transmitted infections, alcohol, and substance use, and social condemnation in some societies.[18] A higher number of sexual partners poses a greater risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases, mental health issues, and alcohol/substance use."
Instead of asking "why do men care about a woman's body count," people should instead be asking "why DON'T women care about a man's body count." If a man has been with over 100 women, he is demonstrating through his actions that he is either unwilling or unable to maintain a committed long-term relationship, so pursuing a committed long-term relationship with such a man is incredibly foolish.
Relationships take work, so a high body count signals that the person isn't learning the habits that make a relationship work, and is instead learning the habits that cause them to frequently jump from one partner to the next. Past behaviors are a good predictor of future behaviors, so a high body count simply means that the relationship is more likely to fail.
Yes- I think both genders should care about body count. Someone that has low enough standards to sleep with everyone who approaches them, is likely someone that is insecure. Makes me sad for them because casual sex does not give people connection or meaning.
Men and women have vastly different sexual market strategies. To think that standards are not different is ignorant.
hi body count represents the state of one’s mind one’s moral compass one’s self esteem. ones stability with themselves.hi body count shows they are never yours just your turn .
Body count absolutely matters, but it's pointless asking a woman about it because they will try to rationalize it as Sadia just did, and the excuses will be endless. Men will gain experience with more partners, while woman gain trauma and disconnection with reality (bonding, views on love, loyalty, etc.).
So women should not give men opportunity to get exprience.
Religious people in places like India and the Middle East don’t even have to worry about this.
Truly religious people everywhere don’t have to deal with this
Well, you need to do your research! Especially on ME societies!
This woman probably has a really high body count.
Of course she does. Or has lots of friends who do. Or both. Otherwise the nonsense rationalisation about percentages would not be necessary
@@Cocoisagordonsettermate she's only good-looking cos of the other half British genes
@@Cocoisagordonsettershe ain't beautiful
@@Cocoisagordonsetteridc about your so called love life nor do I your orientation plus why you stating that you're straight to then just say something about you wouldn't date her 😂😂
@@Cocoisagordonsetterwho do you think you're mate😂😂😂 "I'm highly selective" you don't even remember the names of past guys you've had
Lol, shes defending her position. High body count (same as a bad character which is hard to knkw witbout a few dates) is a sign of infidelity (once you are used to a habit, its very hard to correct (it happens, but takes quite a lot of discipline and self control).
I wouldn't call it infidelity, because that would imply her sticking to the relationship while engaging with other men. But even if they are decent enough to end one thing before starting the next, the fact remains that once exiting relationships becomes a practiced process, how does one find the trust to invest in something that is likely not going to last?
To be fair i would expect a psychologist to be able to perform a cognitive reframe. And she doesn't disappoint and i suspect she has a s high body count.
Ah but she has rejected 10x more than she's slept with so she's a keeper again lad
@@billytheripper4lol that's funny.
@@billytheripper4 frfr no cap
When shopping for a car, low mileage is desirable. The same should go for body count, for both partners.
This! And never pay full price for an used car. :D
The thing is she brushes past the fact about how this multifaceted and nuanced.
1) Let's begin with perhaps the obvious, a guy with high body count tends to be a much different story to a girl with a high body count.
2) With women, pretty much all of them have access to hundreds or thousands of men due to a bunch of things such as how many lonely desperate men there are and due to how much a lot of men want sex and men's sex drive lowering the barrier for the attractiveness of a girl their willing to sleep with.
3) As long as the women pass the certain threshold for niceness or attractiveness or whatever, then the difference in terms of access and getting approached by guys between the most attractive nice woman and the woman who barely passed the threshold for those things may not be a negligible difference. And in some cases the most attractive nice women may actually get approached less because of reasons such as the average guy thinking she's way above his league and therefore he does not even attempt the approach.
4) Bunch of other people in the comments have made good counterpoints to what she's saying too. Such as how body count for a woman is more emotional based than that of to a man. Therefore, if a woman even has a body count of higher than 1 then she was willing to sleep with someone who ended up not being her long lifetime partner (assuming the guy did not pass away).
Body count is not about historical jealousy. It’s about burning out the neural hardware that’s devoted to forming the mating bond. Women that have a high body count will have a more difficult time forming a deep, abiding mating bond. They are simply a bad gamble.
High body counts increase the chances of being an alpha widow who has done all things that if they were recorded and shown to you in a video you would run like Forest Gump. The challenge is, that while the woman was doing all that, the man was struggling to develop himself, and had they met that time, the woman would not have looked at him twice (his SMV was still low relative to hers). That is why our forefathers insisted on purity until marriage!
Let's not pretend that men and women have even remotely comparable sexual access. An average 5/10 woman has greater sexual access than your average A-list celebrity hunk. So yes, it's a different standard for men and for women.
What's considered a 5 out of 10 then buddy whats an average woman oh wait there isn't because you people still think you can put numbers on people and think its objective when it's not
@@bigcharva909 I think everyone instinctively knows what 5/10 means, it's another way of saying average looking and I think you know that too. Either you're being intentionally dense or you just don't want to accept reality because you don't think it's "nice" to say these things. Also who exactly are 'you people' ? I guess people that are blunt and don't sugar coat the truth in order to appear politically correct.
Anyway, let me make the same point a different way if you don't like the way I phrased it there. Almost any woman can decide to sleep with multiple men per week (or even per day) if she chooses to, and can achieve this quite easily. Hardly any men have the capability to do that. And if you don't think that's the case I don't know what to tell you buddy because you're clearly not in touch with reality. That is why there is a different standard between the sexes about body count.
@@giaktilli you've no logic whatsoever about attraction and what someone does and doesn't find attractive and maybe those women who you say get it easier just don't want it with you hahah cry about that as well
@bigcharva909 Wow, how articulate... keep believing you're right big fella. Hope it works out for ya.
@@giaktilli putting numbers on someone attraction is delusional pal, I know a lot more than you ever will, you're telling me then if you put 1 woman in a room with 50 men you're telling me all 50 are gonna find her attractive, very highly doubt it jump back in reality buddy
Normally I like what Sadia has to say... but I don't agree here.... I don't think the ratio is all that relevant. I think that the more sexual partners you have the less satisfied you'll be with your partners going forward but also the more you'll crave novelty.
I don't want want to marry someone who views beautiful physical intimacy as some fun commodity to trade and collect. A high body count not only enforces and expresses that mentality, but kills the ability to feel intimacy.
It's that simple.
Body count matters. Lower to zero is highly attractive to quality men.
Sadia: excuse the French but this is a BS argument. Women get hit on and offers at the grocery store, gas station, McDonald’s, and thirty other places during a casual Tuesday.
Saying a woman with a high body count on Wednesday doesn’t matter because she turned down 33 guys on Tuesday is not recognizing what men value.
My fiancé revealed her body count was 30. I felt sick/disgusted until she revealed her rejection rate was 97.4%. Now I feel lucky and special to be with someone so chaste
A man shouldn’t have to prioritize his children over his wife. Parenting is a team sport.
Reading the comments, you can see pretty much 95 percent of men care about body count
3:21 Is a perfect look into the female psyche. She believes because a person has been hurt before, they'll look into their partner's past to find a reason they'll be hurt again.
When in reality, a person's past is indicative of what they'll do in the future. It's the same reason why a prospective job asks for your work history. If you've been moving from job to job for over a decade and never staying in one place for long, it shows that you are willing and able to leave that job to find a 'better' one, at any moment. Of course your new possible employer will look at that with caution, the same is said for dating.
Body count is like a used car mileage. A car that has a million miles of rough road on it and a couple of serious crashes behind it is not worth new car prices.
For women it inherently matters a lot. Women w/ more than 2 partners do not have the ability to pair bond beyond that point.
Women get jealous and threatened by their partners ex’s is because they don’t yet have that full package of security which is what a woman is looking for and for good reason. You simply have to trust someone and feel safe in order to have a stable healthy family unit.
This argument she made is besides the point. Women value men who can and will sleep with a ton of women and men and women look down on women who have a high body count. More partners for women equates to lower ability to pair bond. This is why body count matters. This virtuous argument is interesting but it has almost zero impact on the main issue at hand.
This is the worst way of looking at it it
2:52
_"They couldn't have said 'no' (for the reason that) they were waiting for you."_
They could have, if the person they were waiting for was their future and sole spouse, as has been traditional throughout the world since back before written history. Modern society is bashing its head against sexual morality SO HARD trying to find "the solution" to it, when we collectively figured this out thousands and thousands of years ago.
Majority of females have a lot of access and options, that’s why it matters to guys. Even a 4 would have the same access if not more than a guy that’s a 10.
And buddy would you like to tell me why you think someone is a 10 or a 4 when attractiveness is subjective.... you're delusional pal for numbering people based on attractiveness
@@bigcharva909 said like a true 4 😆you can live in lala land if you choose to. Facts are facts.
@@Trilluminati713 coming from a guy who's speaks likes it's from lala land who are you to put numbers on people... I'll let the women tell me if I'm hot or not.... incelation is strong with you buddy
@@bigcharva909 there’s a reason why models aren’t women that look like your mom 😂
@@Trilluminati713 models aren't hard to define nowadays, I'm sure I'd find your mum in the plus sized section buddy 😂😂
Historical jealousy results from wanting that person to have been reserving themselves for marriage. Regardless of demand, the best count is 0.
@@Cyber_Jar23 I'm living in the real world too just saying that's optimal.
The reason why they have body count more than 1 is because they have grown to think that it doesn't matter. If men came back to their senses, women would take themselves more seriously.
Sadia lost a lot of credibility here.
She is wrong. She is depreciating. This is what she said in her first sentence. Beautiful woman may have lots of man intresting. Rejection rate will be 97percent of 2000. So it will be 60 you will have to compete with.
Regards
I think "rejection rate" is a cute attempt at parsing out value from body count but it doesn't matter for most men. For starters, "rejection rate" isn't anywhere as catchy as a concept as body count because it's nearly impossible to measure. Some women can barely keep track of how many men they've slept with, what makes Sadia think the average woman will keep track of how many men have propositioned to her on top of that in order to extract a percentage. Yes, you can sus out how in demand a person might be and I agree that a fit millionaire that remains celibate shows more self-restraint than a virgin that dwells in a basement, but the difference in value between such an accomplished person vs one who is not is self-evident and doesn't require a "rejection rate" to go on top of that. The same applies to women, you can very quickly separate the wheat from the chaff in order to determine value without having to look at their body count or rejection rate.
The second reason why this doesn't work is because a strong component of men's aversion to women's body counts is biologically driven. It's just raw monke brain jealousy. If you have a woman that slept with 10/10 men that propositioned to her and another that slept with 10/100, the mental image, that is, the "ick" that men get from knowing that a woman slept around prior to being with them will remain. Sure, if you held a gun to their head and forced them to choose between the two they would choose the 10/100 woman but that won't make that "ick" go away. For western women to visualize this, imagine I told you you'll get the chance to date a man that is in the top 10% of income earners... in the Democratic Republic of Congo. So they bring home less than $1,000 per year. Or a man that is tall in his poor country and is 5'6. I could say to you: "No you don't understand! Given their circumstances, they're actually doing quite well in life!" Would western women compromise on their partner criteria because of the circumstances of the men? Probably not. The same applies for men. "No you don't get it, I fucked 100 men but 1 gorillion of them were trying to get into my bed!" yeah that's cool and all but we're not looking for women that have slept with 100 men regardless of circumstances.
Other than that great interview, I watched the full video and agreed with most of Sadia Khan's takes.
A 304 with a high body count is like a porta poddy men will use one if the have to release an urge but you’ll never see them put a porta poddy in their house.
I get why some people don't like her take on rejection matters but there is some truth to it in the way that it matters how / why there was sexual intercourse. If a woman slept with 5 people in a span of 10 years (16 to 26) but she had a relationship with every one of them but it just did not work out. It is different to a woman becoming pretty or more outgoing at 24 and then sleeping with 5 men just because she can now and has no relationship. At least for me. Doesn't change the fact that the more men she had the higher chance of other bad things in general come to be. I just think it also matters how the number came to be.
I'VE LOST ALL RESPECT FOR HER !!! ...... THIS IS RIDICULOUS...... A HOT GIRL WITH 100 BODIES BUT HAS REJECTED 10,000 IS A BETTER SITUATION THAN AN AVERAGE WOMAN WITH 12 BUT HAS ONLY REJECTED 700.... HOW DO YOU WRITE WOMEN SO WELL?..... I TAKE A MAN AND I STRIP AWAY ALL LOGIC AND ACCOUNTABILITY
I disagree w prioritizing the kids over their partners
Kids GET security from KNOWING that their PARENTS are OK. It is a model of how a family unit should be. Because a couple of podcasts after you’ll (Sadia) say something within the lines of “but when a child sees their parents having a conflict or when the relationship is unstable, this will create an insecurity…” (in Sadia’s lovely accent)
I love her by the way so don’t hate.
This women has a high body count
frfr no cap
Guys don't want to spend more than those before him. If she's been with a lot of guys, her value is lowered.
Thus far, I have moved on from every relationship. I can say with almost 99% certainty that I don't look backwards. Why would I want a woman that does? What does that tell me about our relationship? If I'm focused on the now and she's even infrequently bringing up her past relationships, what does that say about her priorities?
This is silly because the vast majority of women have access to the vast majority of men.
She’s completely avoiding the question. Sophistry
304s be like this everyday no cap
It's an interesting framework, but it's not full proof. Let's say an attractive woman has been approached by 100 guys, but only slept with 10 of them. So she has a 90% rejection rate and 10% acceptance rate. Unfortunately that's not how the male psyche works. Its not, " Oh she rejected 90 guys, it's: Wow. she slept with ten guys already". Mind you statistical substantiality starts at 10%. Besides that it isn't a pure numbers game. It's more qualitative than that. When it comes down to our hypothetical situation here it shows this woman lacks intimacy, views sex as a casual activity, did not stay with any of the guys she was with, or all of those men left her. Besides we know men will have casual sex more often with women "uglier" than them because a man's affinity for casual sex is higher. As well as them being fine with a woman who's passively attractive. Yet women who're much more hypergamous than will not have sex with they find beneath them in SMV(Sexual Marketplace Value).
So it doesn't matter if our hypothetical woman here rejected those 90 guys, because she would've rejected them in the first place. Raw empiricism is overshadowed by qualitative judgments for men when viewing women. And the High Rejection vs. Low acceptance rate only gets worse the woman as she accumulates more bodies.
"We're only threatened by women who have access to your resources"
How to say "we don't care about you, we only care about the resources you provide us".
I wouldn't judge my man for his body count, as long as he is faithful to me, & same applies to me. If I have found someone wonderful enough to be loyal to, & know I will, that's what matters.
The difference is you'd have no reason to judge a man's body count since men's bodies aren't valued or carry the same exact significance to a woman that a woman's body does for a man...
It would be like a man saying "I wouldn't judge my woman for making less money than I do, as long as she is faithful"...
In other words “I want to be a slut and you can’t shame me”
yup frfr no cap
Look, Chris
I’ll watch the rest of the video
But 1:06 in and I’m already skeptical of the logic here
Not surprised that others are to
Now, back to the video
A man having a low body count, who’s also not a viable option for women, is not… a problem many men have
Its a rare man that requires a lot of effort to be in a position of optionality
To then reject so many offers
In order to prove he’s virtuous
Which really depends on who’s definition of virtuous we’re talking about
Because if it’s nature’s then no
If it’s religious or conservative
Then yes
The example of a woman having a low body count, while being attractive, due to being unpleasant is more likely
It is jealousy because women have access to near endless optionality by default
From this side of the fence
It does seem like women have it far easier in society
At least in modern society
Every culture in the world has a dim view on promiscuous women. In my opinion that is due to the overspill promiscuity brings. Emotional damage, often far, far more baggage, unresolved issues, trauma, and so on. Personally I believe if you sleep around you demonstrate poor life choices (applies to both genders). If we were talking about various criminal activities we would not be so hasty to forgive. Your past matters, and only you get to control it in real time. Again, this applies to both genders.
I clearly remember speaking to an elder in Afghanistan years ago, who explained the typical emotional and behavioural problems of promiscuous women, and how he strongly advised his sons and male relatives to steer clear of the potential issues. My takeaway from that conversation was that this is cross-cultural, global, and the evidence strongly suggests predictable outcomes relative to marriage/divorce for people with an active past.
I don't buy the rejection rate argument. It's little more than a thinly veiled attempt at a smart spin that fails to stand up to any scrutiny. If you aren't careful about who you give yourself to, that's on you.
First 3 minutes is total womanese - cope. SIMPLE NO ACCOUNTABILITY, the feminist doctrine.
A high body count woman's hamster wheel rationalization of her past.
Typically, it's not the body count, it's the rejection rate.
Get real?
Another defence of women.
Bunch of bs. Yes it matters point bank period
Ye well get over it buddy virgin, because the average is anywhere from 4 to 8
The fact that it’s even a question is a joke. To show how much it matters for heterosexual relationships, picture a room or even just a lineup of all the guys (or girls) that a woman/man has slept with. Think about this logically.
Do you really want a partner where you walk into the room and there’s 20 different dudes? 40? Even higher than that? What if you’re a women? Do you want a guy who has 50 different women in the room? Just doesn’t feel right imo. Anything over 10 is sus as hell
The way I like to do it is to verbalise what it actually means to have a body count of 20 guys. So for example if a girl told me she had 20 guys, I would get my head around it like this:
She slept with a guy, then another guy, another guy, another guy, another guy, another guy, another guy, another guy, another guy... and that's only 9 guys right there lol
A man cares about a woman’s past just like how a woman cares about a man’s future. It’s that Simple and we can’t make it complicated.
It does matter and the data shows that there is normally a reason she wasn’t locked up by now
The fact is body count is important to a lot of men and women will be judged by their actions.
Delving into the why men think this way is on some levels asking to make an argument that it shouldn’t be important, and that it needs to be justified.
If it’s important to your partner you’re left with a pretty basic question, accept it important to them or don’t. I’d argue tell the truth and let the chips fall when there will.
This lady seems smart and lovely but a lot of what she says doesn’t follow common sense.
WOW! I bet this fine woman has now at least 4 or 5 jobs out of the 100s that have been offered her - as chief propagandist for the biggest names in media!
It comes down to genetics really. Women whether they like it or not get a connection to the man they sleep with and men dont get that. A women who slept with alot of men will have underlying trauma because of all the broken connections. Seriously though if shes been with over 20,30,40,50 men do you want to be 51? Nah. Plus you know there probably is high chance you wont be the best shes ever had either and she WILL compare you
The last sentence of the above comment is the true one. Fear of being compared and fear of not being the best. The rest is bullshit.
Bc women will go back guys will look for something new that’s why we have that historical jealousy 😂