Silent Magician & Swordsman - Failed Cards, Archetypes, and Sometimes Mechanics in Yu-Gi-Oh
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ต.ค. 2023
- A few things are guaranteed in life: Death, taxes, and Konami’s obsession with making nostalgic support for all of Yugi’s monsters, good or bad. You have your good ones for cards like Dark Magician and Buster Blader. Then you have puzzling support that fell flat on its face, like Jack’s Knight, Black Luster Soldier, and Gaia. The most unexpected had to be ones for the Silent Magician and Silent Swordsman that came out in 2016, as these cards haven’t had any support for them in over 11 years until Duelist Pack- Rivals of the Pharaoh. Did the support help? Of course not! You wouldn’t be able to have this video to watch at 3 a.m. if they’d turn out fantastic. There were still too many holes and weaknesses for this archetype to be good, and we got all the details on why the Silent duo stayed silent in the Yu-Gi-Oh TCG.
Script by V.Guildford
Edited by S
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I don't think insulting other people waifus is a good idea duel logs.
Yes, start the flame war. Spread the clout. 😈
^ i'm behind this
Weebs are gross
@@thatman666"Flameswordsman War"😏
The waifu warriors are sharpening their pitchforks
I don't care how bad these cards are, i will always love these guys from how they worked in the anime
Boy do I have good news for you.
having your master being the best cheater in the anime does help XD
@@snowman_ovenAtem is the cheater not yugi
11:59 "The upside of potentially getting a walking, talking Imperial Order..."
He doesn't talk, he's silent 😶
Most of these "failed" mechanics are a lot more interesting to me than stuff that became meta.
Filling one's graveyard with exactly 5 dark monsters is a far more engaging mechanic than the Lv mechanic.
It's funnier cause some of them get new support. Like Flip monsters, who just got a new one coming with Master of Ham.
Agreed. Maybe these ‘failed’ things are just more FUN than function
I never found the Lv mechanic back in the day "fun". Unless you brought out their starter level on your opponents end phase it was a pain to bring them out with how crap their body was.
Sadly, that's why they failed to the mundane and practical.
Konami definitely watches these videos to fall asleep at 3am. Every time you talk shit about cards being bad, Konami says, “Bet….” and releases support for them. First it was Genex and now it’s the Silent cards. 😂
These were supposed to be Yugi's ace monsters, representing him coming into his own and surpassing Atem.
DSoD walked that back though and him use Magician Girls and Dark Magician again.
The funny thing about Duel Logs snarking about Black Luster Soldier getting support is that it is now one of the strongest archtypes in Duel Links since the Yugis can summon multiple versions of all the BLS monsters on Turn 1.
To be fair Duel links has a very bizarre meta because of the skill system, reduced monster and spell zones, 4000 LP instead of the 8000, and decks having almost half as less cards in the deck as traditional Yugioh meaning you'll have less bricks. Duel links design helps more struggling decks become actually viable like Magical Muskets and Magikey which are 2 notoriously bad decks in regular Yugioh from the amount of bricking they give you.
@@Did_No_Wrongtrue, Magikeys and muskets are good decks that just do not play well with the amount of resources that regular yugioh allows but in a limited format where their consistency is key and skills can allow them to play against other decks.
Really if DL isn't as scummy with its cards I would ahve been playing it alot more than MD
I remember using the Silent duo in one of the GBA games. Ironically I always found Silent Magician to be far more effective in a spell counter deck than it was in a Lvl up deck, because the attack growth can be accelerated using spell counter support like Alchemist of Black Spells.
It was basically a discount Magical Marionette
Exactly what I was thinking, plus with stuff like certain Endymion cards you can put a bunch of spell counters on it more easily
Ill just say Silents were yugis coolest monsters and i still hold out hope they get some more support, either retrains, boss monsters backrow stuff whatever because them being Yugi's own Black Magician and Gaia were so amazingly cool and to them just getting left even in like DSOD was heartbreaking
The worst thing the silent waifu "support" has it's the fact it doesn't even work as intended. SM Lv4 checks every draw your opponent makes, not every card drawn, meaning Silent burning only gives one counter towards its level up instead of the five you'd get as seeing in the anime
Silent burning was never intended to be used with Lv4.
It was suppose to give Silent Magician 4000Atk by setting your hand size to 6
Ar we now really comparing anime wiht real world?
@@_the_Omega i don't really like to compare, but i feel it's necessary in this case. It depicts SM using its attack and its effect mimics the one used by Yugi in the ceremonial duel but fails to live up to its counterpart, sorry
Thankfully Silent Magician Zero rectifies this mistake by explicitly boosting herself based on the number of cards drawn. LV4 is still crying in a corner though
Legacy of Destruction leaks just came out and we got a bunch of Small Yugi supports including for Silent Swordsman and Magician 😂
ya bruh thanks for the Silent support this was a good teaser keep it up
Konami really have beef with this dude.
I think the retrains were going in the right direction, but then totally veered off a cliff.
1: You should have been able to Normal Summon them. Not sure why that restriction was put in place when the game feeds off of Special Summoning.
2: With the passing of time or actions, their levels, stats and abilities should increase naturally as long as they're on the field
3: If they're destroyed, they should be able to summon any Lv counterpart from Deck, Hand or even the GY Ignoring Summoning Conditions.
This would have made them at least a little playable. Now? Even if you were to do a themed duel, their playstyle and support are extremely lack luster at best.
Back in the day, the game wasn't so special summon based. It was based around normal summons with a handful of special summonable monsters
Konami has a weird idea of balancing and not replacing with retrains, so no on the "You should have been able to Normal Summon them."
@@Bezaliel13 I actually do agree with the not replacing with retrains. The point of a lot of legacy support is to give new support to old cards, literally nostalgia baiting. If you just replace it with retrains, you might as well just make a new archetype since none of the old cards will be played.
@@archwing3441
RIGHT?
It is so annoying how people tend to just want retrains to replace old cards, even when something that DIRECTLY supports an old card.
Genuine question. How would you write out those specific erratas, specifically the "longer on field = stronger" effect? I'm writing a story with the Silents and I would love to include that idea for the retrains.
Silent swordsman already has an effect like that, but idk how to make it stronger or incorporate it into Silent Magician.
I love the silent swordsman cards. I got Diamond in master duel with them . Silent sword slash is overpowered and I love it.
Duel links reference 👀
Oh! Wow! Do you have a deck list? I tried but only got to Platinum 4 before going back down to 5.
@hgsqu33zy post the deck list my dude.
my deck could only go to platinum.
@@bigdaddyjh2002 if he really made it to diamond with those cards he probably just splashed whatever meta cards in the deck that were not from the archetype like Kashtira Fenrir and hand traps
@@ooperblownup Not like it really matters.
Silent Swordsman design is so cool! I like how LV3 resembles Yugi a lot.
As someone whose username is based on the “Silent” archetype. I was kinda sad they don’t play that much ( unless it’s duel links)
"but in duel links"
Normal Witch of the Black Forest, Link into Artemis, search Silent Magician, TS silent magician. Was doing this combo in decks that dont need a normal summon.
Well. New support for Silent magician as a new Sarcophagus yugi Moto archetype announced. Definitely want to hear you talk about it
And now new Silent support just came out.
Please please do a BLS failed video next, he too needs new support already. 😂
Konami has tried multiple times to reference anime Card of Sanctity on Yugi support but has never considered that "At the start of your Main Phase 1" might actually be enough.
I really love the Silent cards and i think they should be Yugi's Ace Monsters, not Yami Yugi's Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl. Just makes sense to me to him have Silent Magician and Silent Swordsman
10 days later: "Silent Support". Why is Konami so good at ruining Archetype videos?
The only positive thing I can say about these "Silent" monsters... Is that their art was amazing. So amazing that it's almost a tragedy to see them die out like that xD
I actually teched Silent Swordsman into my Noble Knight deck during the height of the Sky Striker days. Having a near free spell negate that I could just splash onto my end board (going first) or early into my combos (going second) was solid.
in the Silent magician part, you accidentally said "silent swordsman lv4 and silent magician lv8"
just a reminder, still a great video
While they aren't good, you can run them in different decks to take advantage for them. Phantom knights for swordsman and magician can work with invoked (or possibly shaddolls).
Silent Swordsman is a massive threat in my Kings Court Deck. It fits in perfectly and works with some nasty floodgates being the same type and attribute
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I'd argue Silent Swordsman LV5 was.....okay back in the day. it didn't NEED to be special summoned which helped a lot.
There is ONE strategy involving level down; and that is using it like defusion in the battle phase to go for game after your LV monster has already attacked.
It's not much but it's A use that has won me the game when I was messing with it
You messed with it? Nobody on earth messes with LV monsters in the first place, and you messed with their shittiest card?
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@@roncerjani9063 🤣 listen man, they remade my Armed Dragons, I had to try everything, Lol. And Thats a simple strategy. The real trick is trying to turbo out Armed Dragon catapult cannon without using Ojama blue crash
@@roncerjani9063 we are a small but strong following
There is another use I found but I don't see it happening often either, but basically LV down counts as a special summoned armed dragon LV 7 for armed dragon Catapult Cannon. Ojamatch does not.
New Silent Swordman and Magician support just drop
I haven't played the game in over 15 years. The game has evolved way too much for me to keep up. But...I watch these videos to help these videos to help me sleep and calm now my anxiety. So I appreciate that wholeheartedly.
I tried running this archetype here and there but it just needs a little more, oomph. Not omni negates or anything, just more to help LV and their respective sub archetype.
I do still love Silent Swordsman as a whole though.
A couple corrections:
-Silent Swordsman LV3 came out in Rise of Destiny, then LV5 in Flaming Eternity (so it is worse than you thought xD )
-Silent Magician (the retrain) also negates a Spell once per turn like Silent Swordsman does. She's not just "unaffected".
+ silent magician doesnt get stronger every standby phase like silent swordsman but increases its atk according to your cards in hand like slifer
The way it was worded in the script was a bit weird, but we do say that both magician and swordsman have the spell negate. I remember double checking that
@@TheDuelLogs At around 12:05 ish is where I think the confussion stemmed from. I think you are referring to the highest LV forms of them, but the image on screen is that of the non-LV versions, so I suppose it was a talk about the archetypes overall.
@@TheDuelLogsanother mistake that i havent seen mentioned: its never said that silent magician gains 500 for each card in your hand, its different from swordsman which gains 500 in each standby. in fact you even say she gets stronger every standby at 14:15 when thats not true. its also why the spell draws you cards
ohhh, yeah my editor used the wrong cards there lol@@Sleepy0173
Mr. DuelLogs did it again ... HOW DO YOU DO IT?!
And can you please give my favorites Nephthys some new support? :')
Here’s my idea for a LV 12 version of Swordsman and Magician each:
_Silent Swordsman LV 12_ (LIGHT)
Level 12
Warrior/Effect
_Can only be Normal Summoned/Set by using 5 face-up Spells you control as Tributes. (Quick Effect) Can only be special summoned (From your hand, deck or GY) If your opponent activates 5 or more Spell Cards or Effects during their turn. Unaffected by Spell cards or effects, and also, all Spell Cards and effects on the field are negated while this card is face-up on the field. If this card would be destroyed, banished, or negated by an opponent’s card or effect: You can tribute 1 Spell card from your hand or field instead. You can apply each of the following effects of “Silent Swordsman LV 12” once per turn:_
⚪️(Quick Effect) You can tribute any number of spell cards from your hand or field: During your next turn, this card can attack extra times in a row equal to the number of tributes.
⚪️If this card would leave the field by an opponent’s card or effect: Special Summon 1 “Silent” or “LV” monster from your hand, deck or GY, except “Silent Swordsman LV 12”, ignoring it’s summoning conditions.
ATK/3500 DEF/1000
_Silent Magician LV 12_ (LIGHT)
Level 12
Spellcaster/Effect
_Can only be Normal Summoned/Set by using 5 face-up Spells you control as Tributes. (Quick Effect) Can only be special summoned (From your hand, deck or GY) If your opponent activates 5 or more Spell Cards or Effects during their turn. Monsters you control are Unaffected by your opponent’s Spell Cards and effects, and also, unaffected by opponent’s card effects during any turn where they activate a spell card or effect. Monsters you control Gain 500 ATK/DEF for every Spell card or effect that’s activated or applied, and also for each card that is added to or removed from either players hands by card effects. You can apply each of the following effects of “Silent Magician LV 12” once per turn:_
⚪️(Quick Effect) You can tribute any number of spell cards from your hand or field: During next Draw Phase, Excavate an equal number of cards; add all excavated spells to you hand, then shuffle the rest back into your deck.
⚪️If this card would leave the field by an opponent’s card or effect: Special Summon 1 “Silent” or “LV” monster from your hand, deck or GY, except “Silent Magician LV 12”, ignoring it’s summoning conditions.
ATK/5000 DEF/1000
sky striker is gonna have a field day with this
@@steelshoelace1970 why sky Stryker in particular?
I think it's because they use a lot of spell cards and can loop them from the GY back to the hand and keep reactivating them multiple times in a turn.@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire
How come Everytime you bring up certain cards those cards end up getting retrains or something a week or so later?
Its a known phenomenon with Yugitubers. Rata makes the same thing happen
Please do a video on the seal of orichalcos/the arichalcos anime arc cards!
Lvl up mechanic needs a field spell that
1. Searches/adds back from the gy level up
2. Gives protection on summon (mound of the bound)
3. If the card is sent from the field to the gy add any level up or card that mentions it.
big props for going the entire 15 minutes without stooping low enough to mention the elephant in the room why magician would ever be played even once (huehuehue)....
Errata modulation to say: treat it as if it was special summoned properly first then special summon it....
Bold video for someone in mind crushing distance
Silent Sword Slash now has a new super bulky target in Silent Swordsman Zero
that'll be really fun
Used to beat so much face with Silent Waifu in highschool. She was such a fun card.
Again, the LV Monsters were done right with the Level Up mechanic in Magic: the Gathering. A simple cost, a very rewarding payoff (depending on the card).
And man, Duel Links is just a format where some bad cards see play.
level up creatures were garbage tho. Paying so much mana just for your opponent to remove the thing on the last activation.
@@ich3730true. But even then, they're much easier to use and don't require any obtuse requirements.
They can at least serve as janky, funny boss monsters, especially Lighthouse Chronologist.
If LV mechanics had been around in the very beginning with weird mechanics like Great Moth it might’ve had a chance to grow into something. Can’t make them too good otherwise they get abused. Horus LV8 couldve broke the game if you didn’t have to jump through so many hoops just to get him out and it’s not super easy to cheat out in the first place.
@@TheGreatSalsaManIt's more of a case that the final monster was made laughably OP to compensate for the LV mechanic being utter trash, but the opposite.
Duel Links be wild. It's a format where near full powered black wings and salamangreats aren't tiered but Ursatic is. And the deck to beat is black luster and potentially blue-eyes and Yubel.
I still did like how easily splashable High ATK monster is Silent Magician for a lvl 4 special summon.
1000 + 500/each card in your hand. :-)
They're probably just going to be retrained into new gandora support at this point so actual yugi can have an archetype and we can leave dm behind forever
Fuck I should have bought lottery tickets
Let's go! We getting new Silent Magician support with this one.
to watch at 3 AM hit me so fucking hard LOL
I find it a neat attention to detail that Silent Magician LV8 has the same attack as LV4 with 5 counters on it (1000 ATK baseline with an additional 2500 ATK from the 5 counters which increase ATK by 500 per counter)
I have a feeling that silent burning is more or less supposed to help the silent magician retrain. If i remember correctly, that monster gains 500 ATK for each card in your hand. That being said, having your opponent draw multiple cards is uh...ehh....
This one did not age well as well !
To be fair Knight engine was played in Exostister and did top some regionals so its not "Failed"
Failed means on their own
Doesn’t count if you combine them with another superior archtype
@aceclover758 if you go by this, then ishizu, dragonlink, and bystial have failed too, lmao clown take
6:20 flashback to that duel when i thought i could level down armed dragon 10 into 7 to finish up the game but instead lost my lv10 and was left with nothing 😑
I loved these two cars for some reason, the RPG theme was so cool.
I remember running Silent Magician in my Fortune Lady deck in Duel Links to pop my own synchro turn 1 so I could have spell negation, a possible 3500 if they got through it, and my synchro back next turn to do whatever I needed.
I really loved the level up cards as a concept, and i would really loved to have seen them actually see competitive success, but it really sucks that they didnt get off the ground 😔😔
Early YGO was just too conservative with monsters (though not spells considering their spells from the first few sets were some of their most problematic lol) most of the time. So often they'd give summoning conditions that werent even remotely worth the pay off. Obviously the poster children for this were early fusion and ritual monsters.
Like look at the best level up line with Horus. His base form needs to destroy something by battle back in the day when 1900 vanilla beatsticks or bigger beatsticks with detrimental effects (goblin attack force, zombyra, etc) were considered hot commodities and totally legit for deck building and if you didn''t have a baller stat line, your effect needed to be amazing...and he has to level up by winning a battle with only 1600 attack. Ridiculous. And he wasn't even remotely the hardest effect to pull off. Even Horus wouldn't have seen play if level up didn't exist. Though his level 6 was normal summonable iirc and had the satts to win a fight and level up on his own, so there's that.
The idea of LVing up a monster is interesting to me as someone who grew up in the era of JRPGs such as Final Fantasy. That your monster can become stronger the longer its alive on the field when Yugioh did used to be a game of mostly normal summons with the occasional special summon would've made the original silent series' powerful so long as something like blue eyes didn't show up.
I've also recently seen a great use for the card considered to be less useful, silent magician in a 43 card dogmatika/magician deck. The video was made by Crowley12 if you want to take a look
Silent burning is used to boost silent magician to 4000 ATK (it gains 500 atk per card in your hand, you didnt mention that for some reason). It’s still useless in most situation, but your example of leveling up lvl4 to 8 instantly is way off, as they may not draw enough.
Using it to lvl4 to 8 was way off because it counts the amount of times they draw, not the amount of cards. So you'll still only get 1 spell counter regardless of how many they drew.
I don't even play Yu-Gi-Oh anymore but I love watching your videos
Silent Magician's design baffles me, it's like a tribute to Perfectly Ultimate Great Moth.
"walking, talking imperial order"
i don't know about the 'talking' part...
No matter what though, this will always be my favorite archetype
0:30 calling me out for watching that vid at 3am exact was SO uncalled for…
There are three Skills in Duel Links that support the Silent cards: Determination to Fight, Silent Duelist, and Level Change!
Great video duel logs . My fav normal monster is dark blade
I'm somewhat surprise a silent swordsman and Silent Magician weren't used in decks competitively. Even if you do nothing with it, it's still a fairly easy to summon spell negation. As mentioned in the beginning of the video, spells play such a crucial part in decks that I figured decks would run them just to slow down your opponent. Silent swordsman especially since it's an ever present threat into no spells.
The oxygen to the body line made sense but sounded out of character.
Huh this aged well
Lol I think Konami heard you or something
Hell I love this deck! I hope now that you’ve made this video Konami should print new support
NEX: Silent Magician & Swordsman Thunder lv
Silent Swordsman and Jinzo on the field together was fun. Always managed to anger my friends when I’d get them both out
You could combine Swordsman in a Phantom Knights deck which I’ve done to great effect
I made a successful silent magician + lightsworn deck that I made it to legend 2 with maybe 3 years ago. Silent magician will always be my favorite card even if it isn't the best these days
Silent magician needs a reprint, she has seen zero play and she is $35~ I just want to put her into a cube why does waifu tax exist
What do you mean by "Put her into a cube"? A bunch of decks/cards that are of equal power for drafting/playing with friends?
@@leeeyles1864 yep! Was going to put her into a cube with monster league rules so any monster could be tributes to summon her. Hoping she gets a reprint in an ots or something
If "Silent Magician & Swordsman" (and family) ever make it to Rush Duels, I'm sure the Level Up mechanic will be removed since:
1) It is an obsolete mechanic. Additionally, Rush Duels already removed many classic Mechanics like Chains or Continuous Spell/Trap Card from the game.
2) It is very slow. In Rush Duels, what you want is to be as fast as possible and kill your Opponent with your Boss Monsters. There is no time to repair your next turn to have your Level Up Monster.
In any case:
- Low Level Monsters would serve as a bridge to reach high Level Monsters: example, this Monster can be used as two Tributes to bring in this specific Monster.
- There would be many Retrains. Possibly even more playable or more versatile than the OG Monsters. This is because many Monsters do not meet the Rush Duels's stat standards.
I feel like you were overly harsh on the LV monsters in general. Level down has applications like dodging effects and recycling.
They even had a time in the spotlight where they were a viable rogue strategy in Duel Links.
Wonder balloon + LV Insects was annoying AF over there, and Horus has been strong against A LOT of events especially when problematic spells we don't have access to are at play.
For level down you could use it to Dodge effects or attacks (quick play), so it still has "some" use.
It's 2am and not the first time it's been this close.
Still have my Ulti Silent Swordsman 3+5 somewhere. Loved those cards. Especially when my opponent had Econ/Brain/Snatch 😂
I only played the game on and off in the past, but I thought the use for the silent cards was to play along side a spell counter deck. Essentially using and moving spell counters around to boost Silent Magician to max pretty quick. Or at least that's how I played my deck...
I am confused: Can you not place Spell Counters from other sources
on SM LV4? Any competent Endymion Deck could have easy acces
to a 3500 ATK Beatstick to put onto the Field here, or am i completly wrong?
I could only think of using Level down in a mirror match, but then again all of the Level monsters you'd want to use it against are either immune to spells or can negate them freely.
I wonder if Silent Burning was ever used for deck-out strategies
It's midnight for me, but I feel called out about the "watch at 3am" crack 😂
@TheduelLogs I am watching this at 3:22 am. Your intro really freaked me out 😅
I still play silent swordsman sometimes in my warrior decks since a spell negate is very very powerful.
Unfortunately, Yu-Gi-Oh was never as popular as it was during the DM era and it never will again. It's no wonder the nostalgic stuff gets all the support, since it was basically the last time in which the game even made sense in the first place.
One of my favorite dumbest strats in Yu-Gi-Oh Spirit Caller, right next to playing Horus
LV monsters are a guilty pleasure of mine in this game. Most of them are pretty bad but the idea behind them is interesting enough for me to enjoy them and their challenge
I'm a failed yugioh mechanic...
I will never understand why cards that flat out state they ignore summoning conditions sometimes don't ignore summoning conditions.
All I'll say is that I made a lot of money selling my Silent Magician. Thanks waifu tax!
this duo deserves more support
This is perhaps the most tragic addition of this series
I'll continue to campaign for the Ally of Justice cards, but the Worms and Aliens themselves could probably qualify for a Failed Cards episode.
It would've been nice if Silent Paladin was at least better than her parents.
Failed or not, I wish they would reprint them so I can get physical copies of them. They are currently too rich for my blood
Once played silent magician in magician pendulum as a tech and many time sir won me the game to summon level 8 unexpectedly due to bating the negation just to destroy it and then summon a decent beststick
6:41 It sounds to me like it'd be the perfect counter to LV monsters EXCEPT the Silent monsters since they'd be immune.