Review! SVS Prime Pinnacle
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- SVS Prime Pinnacle - Review!
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Just watching this video shows me how much experience you have gained on your audiophile journey - thanks for sharing your experience/advice/opinions with us mate! You definitely know what you are talking about! Detail vs. bright, bitey, shrill etc. hard to tell the difference sometimes but you cleared it up well here - the same with the double-edged sword of bassss haha
Great review ! Love the intro.... The boxes told the story in your tear-down w/ the multiple ports. Good stuff 👍
Hey Ron! I realize I'm late to the party, but there's a reason for it. Since SVS announced its new EVO line coming out soon, these Prime Pinnacles are on sale right now. I bought a pair about 6 weeks ago, and I haven't looked back since. I've been in the hobby almost 40 years, and can't count the amount of different components and speakers I've owned over the years, but I'll tell ya one thing. These puppies are going to be with me for a long while. I have a sensitivity for glary upper mids and treble in general, and you're totally right, the Pinnacles are smooooth. Not dark or lobbed off at the top, just easy going on the ears. I never in a hundred years would have thought that I would really like what I consider to be a HT speaker for my dedicated 2-ch rig, but I've really fallen for their sound signature and soundstaging prowess. Thank you SVS, and thank you Ron for this review. You know your stuff.
Love your reviews. I can blindly buy a speaker just from your Sound description and get exactly what I think I am looking for. I was between Ultra Tower or this, but I hate anything on "bright" side and you mentioning that you can pick up a tweeter on Ultra vs you can not with this, helped me pick this one. Using it for home theater.
How did it work out for you, Savan?
Great explanation of the difference between smooth and warm 👌
for potential buyers, the review starts at 9:58
Thank you lol
Ditto. This is like an infomercial. “But wait, there’s more!”
Thank you
I’ve had these speakers for about 4 months and they’re very impressive! Agree with all you have to say.
I recently found your channel and enjoy your content. I’d love to see the guts and a review of the SVS Ultra Tower.
Thanks for the informative video, Ron! I wonder how those compare to Polk Reserve series, specifically the R600 that you reviewed?
Great review on the Prime Pinnacles. The speakers sound really good and not to mention relaxing. I'm the running Prime Pinnacles, Ultra Center, Dual SB-3000s, Ultra Bookshelves and Prime Elevations. Nice sounding system for music and movies. I like the small footprint more then anything.
Why did you get these over the ultra towers? Anything specific...
@@gregjones2472 I choose the Prime Pinnacles, because I don't have the correct space for the side woofers. Figured might as well get the Pinnacles, since it does 90 percent of what the ultras can. Ultras have that nice defining bass and extra push with the extra mid range driver. If you have the space grab the Ultra towers; however the Pinnacles are an amazing sounding speaker and have plenty of low end.
You have the exact speaker setup I'm looking at! I was maybe thinking of doing the Prime elevations as also my base layer surround speakers.
For L & R, I run these Prime Pinnacles with dual SB2000 Pros. Often for music, no matter the genre, I will switch off the subs. Incredible speakers for the money. I absolutely love them. Now to change my source and get into the world of separates.
@Todd Brand I do. Still love them just as much as when I first got them.
Fantastic review as always!
Thanks!
Great video NRD. I can’t wait to add the Pinnacles to my set up soon & hear what they are like. I am a brand new SVS customer am thrilled with my Prime Center & Elevations.
How is your setup working out for you Len? I joined the Svs club a year ago also. Currently running Prime Pinnacles and a Ultra for my LCR, 2 SB 3000's, 4 Prime Elevation speakers for my height channels, 2 Fluance Bipoles for surrounds and some old towers for my rears. Totally love this setup, just wish I had to funds for some bigger subs and the Svs Ultra surrounds.
@@troystevens9506 - I am loving my 5.1.2 SVS Prime setup especially when I upgraded my AVR to the Anthem MRX 740. It’s taken the home theatre sound & experience to another level. That sounds like a very impressive setup Troy 👍🏻
@@Jedi_Order81 Excellent!!! Very glad to hear that. My setup is a 7.2.4, powered by a Marantz 6014. Looking to eventually bump it up to a 7.2.6 with an Anthem receiver like yours or a Trinnov Altitude. I need to win the lottery or start robbing drug dealers.
@@troystevens9506 LOL! Whatever it takes! :)
When you recommended to combine the SA3 and PA3, how were the speakers connected, Bridge mode vs just using one pair of speaker terminals on each vs other setup? Also, how were the amps connected to one another? (sorry if this is a dumb question, I am very new to Hi-Fi world and trying to learn)
Great review sir as always
I'd recommend paying $600 more for a pair of Canton Vento 896 DC at accessories4less, handmade in Germany(45 years), unmatched ceramic tweeter, titanium bass and midrange drivers. Will be WAY more refined and drop clean tight bass. Ron........Canton is so under the radar and needs an audition. I follow all you guys...Sean, Steve, Thomas, Joe and Tell, etc. One of you just HAS to give a pair of Ventos a shot. They are glorious. Most balanced speaker I've heard in my 25 years of hifi. People are missing the boat.
I agree completely. I heard the bookshelf version of that speaker and was completely blown away at how clean and detailed it was without being harsh. No exaggeration that it has pinpoint accuracy as well. On a test track with a choir in a church and I could hear the multiple individual rows of singers. It was completely nuts because I've never heard anything like that from anything low or high priced. This was the speakers hooked up to Canton's new Smart Amp 5.1 which is a simple plug and play class D unit. The least fancy front end one could imagine.
@@JasonDominus awesome feedback man. How were you able to get your hands on the Canton amplifier?
@@ryanschipp8513 I'm living in the UK at the moment.
which of the Amps setups did the speakers respond to the best?
Good Morning.
Having watched both your Ultra Bookshelf and Prime Pinnacle reviews, assuming budget is no issue, which would you end up ultimately recommending for a 2.1 setup?
Would love to see the speakers set up while you listen to them like in the old videos, otherwise a very good review. Or just some shots of the speakers set up in your room. It would help create more interest in the video.
Ron, I discovered your site recently and really enjoy it. I've noticed in many of your speaker reviews, like this one, you refer to speakers that handle bass with more clarity and realism (which, once you hear, you can't go back). However, I've never come across anything on your site providing some examples of speakers that do it well? Maybe you've done this already, but how about a video that calls back to some of your reviews where speakers met your standard for bass performance, at some different price levels.
The more i hear your reviews the more i appreciate you ! thx ! i like these as i need a full set of speakers for a HT and w/ SVS I can get SAME
tweeter and sonic similarity ! how can the bass defect be fixed ? i wonder what danny @ GR research would say or do to fix them ?
I'm just getting back into hi fidelity and the room I was planning on using is kind of odd shaped etc . Would this be a good speaker since they have a wide sweet spot and what are your thoughts on using 70's receiver to drive them? The receiver is 70 watts per channel.
Great detail in the video. Like the presentation. Am not an audiophile. Owned a 5.1 with Klipsch 8000f and 504 c and 600m. I liked the sound however little sharp and maybe tiring sometimes. Looking at SVS prime pinnacle or Polk R600/700 now. Can you opine on what do you think the sound is like compared to klipsch or SVS? Thanks a lot.
Hi Ron! That IOTA gear is some great looking gear. Great looking price tags also. Just went over to the SVS website. Those Prime Pinnacles are great looking speakers, with some great specs. At 57 lbs each that just that just screams build quality. I watched the What's Inside video. I really like the speaker drivers, and that cabinet construction. I like the price tags also. If one takes the time to look, there is some great bang for the buck out there right now. Have a great day man!
I have Klipsch RP8000Fs and the cabinet looks surprisingly similar to these on the front baffle.
@@Jordonater Man you have got some awesome speakers man! I have got a pair of the Emotiva Airmotiv T1+. Have a great day!
@@hi-fihaven2257 Those are real nice to. You have a great day today as well.
@@Jordonater How's the bass on these, do you use a sub as well?
@@bustercolin7507 I no longer have the Klipsch. Traded for something smaller because i realised my room was far to small for them. In my small room they went down to about 30hz with minimal roll off however as i said my room is small and i think in a bigger room you should have a sub. I use an old SVS SB1000 which is fine for me. I imagine the new pro ones are suitable for most. Ill worn you despite what people say about the Klipsch they are still bright and the sibilance range is still above neutral. Getting the speakers i have now helped me realise how wrong they were and i was after a neutral warmish sound.
Great review. I want to get new speakers and am torn between these Pinnacles, Ascend Towers, or NHT C4. I know the last two are more expensive but I wish I knew how they compared. Hardly any reviews on the C4 or the Ascend, sadly.
If i would get the iota integrated and the amp combo how would i turn it into 90 wpc and does it have tons of headroom like my NADs ive owned
Well, doubling the power only gets you 3dB. I don’t know how dramatic the difference would be
you stated the base was missing some texture and tone, is there a floor standing speaker that has similar highs and mids that prime pinnacle's have With the missing texture and tone to base that is missing for this price range? Can the base of these speakers be modified via Equalizer if I was using my computer as a source?
How does the off axis sound look like?
Hi Ron , thanks for your work reviewing the hifi gear, but i have question for you: why i dont see in you Chanel reviews on KEF speakers? like the Q series or LS 50? they are affordable and is a brand with a long story on hifi? thanks !Peace!
I just got the ls50 meta in for review
Thanks Ron. I’ve been subscribed for a few months and I’m really enjoying your channel. I’m also aware that you are a fan of open baffle speakers and so you’re a little spoiled when it comes to detailed bass and soundstage. I get that this is an excellent speaker. I would appreciate if you had called out pricing. For context, which gr research speaker would you most closely relate it? With love, Ken
Your review was one of many I watched or read before buying a pair of SVS Prime Pinnacle, and only now half a year later, I really understand how positive you were about their voicing and sound, and I think you were right, and I am indeed happy with the speakers. I have paired them with NAD C 658/298 and a couple of Dali S1.2 subwoofers, despite I don't think I need the subwoofers for music. However, I live in an apartment and I try to show consideration to my neighbors by normally using the option to switch the sub bass off ( sub 60 Hz). Actually, I often use small computer loudspeakers or headphones for listening in the evening, but this is another story. Sorry that I got a bit sidetracked, I just wanted to say that now I can even better see that your review was a good help to make a good purchase. Thank you.
Great review! So at the end of the day would you take these or the Ultra towers? Been struggling between these two. I don't need the extra bass of the Ultra towers, but wondering if their mids and highs are better?
It's hard to tell an difference between the two. Ultras have a little more punch in the lows, mids and highs. Can't go wrong with either tower depends on what you are looking for. Prime Pinnacles can do 95% of what the Ultras can produce, but Ultras will sound slighty better.
Basically, a subwoofer with a twitter haha
Although I returned them as mentioned in your tear down video, I totally agree with everything that you're saying about these speakers. And they're built like a Sherman tank! I will say if you can find the JBL 5 series on sale to try those out because they also have a 60-day return policy with free return shipping and I stuck with those and I'm glad I did!😇😇 That compression driver/treated paper woofer on the JBL makes all the difference but they're not built nearly as well as the Pinnacles! As Ron stated, SVS sure knows how to do cabinet finishes!🤪🤪🤔😬
I was thinking about either getting the pinnacles or the 590 or 580. Which 5 series did you end up sticking with?
@@babupranav
I have 2 590's. 2 530's. 2 550p's. 1 520. Love them all but would buy 590 for 2 channel only. Just learned to use extreme toe in per New Record Day video and now they are even better.🤪🤯 Need to get them under the $500 a piece on sale. Bought all at 50% off. Great speaker series for both movies and 2 Channel!🤗😇
Wowsers!!! $2749.Nad is slick......but there are a boat of other better values out there....one that comes to mind is the Peachtree nova300...they can now be had remanufactured by Peachtree for $1649.... Or how about the Outlaw Audio RR2160 for $999....I could go on and on.
And those dacs you named are boring. Yes they're good, but man they look dull. No whiz bang to em
Low bass is a negative attribute IMHO because if you separate it from the front speakers, you can more easily integrate it within the room. Room gain at low frequencies is a major problem for a lot of people who don’t have major rooms to put their speakers in (or for second, third setups because audiophiles are weird like that).
Subs are a negative for me because my speakers sound better without subs. No sub needed. Acoustic bass sounds real, home theater shakes. Need good amp and two speakers.... Only.
Do you install spikes on large towers? If so why
I have all 3 SVS current-gen speakers, the Ultra, Primes and the Prime Pinnacles. It's very odd to me how jarring these speakers actually sound despite SVS saying they timbre match each other, which they don't.
Prime Bookshelfs/Towers - these are bright speakers, not Klipsch old RF series burn your ears bright, but it's up there. Primes can be borderline harsh especially when there are cymbals or female vocals. They sound very forward, too forward in fact that there seems to be lack of depth behind the speakers. When you listen to music with a band, it sounds like you're a foot away from them and it sounds fatiguing especially when the cymbals gets clapped on. The forwardness of the Primes are certainly fruitful for action movies though, I'll give them that. A real gun shot rings and startles you, the Primes does exactly that. I do not feel like the Primes are good speakers for music, but certainly they are fun for action orientated content like movies or video games.
A side note regarding HT since I'm talking about movies, the Prime center is adequate but just like its Bookshelf and Tower cousins, hot damn listening to people who has a high pitch talk is like scratching on chalkboard.
Ultra Bookshelfs/Towers - these are fairly neutral, still a tinge of top end push within the 4khz to 8khz range but unlike the Primes, will never be harsh. At high volumes, they can sound a little metallic still however and yes, they never truly disappear. But unlike the Primes, they don't just swing the way of action movies and nothing else. The Ultras can do just about anything and not sound terrible at it in one way or another. These are sweet spot speakers, but not exemplary in any situation.
Prime Pinnacles - like you said, laid back and smooth. It's like SVS took the criticisms of the Primes to heart and just mellowed everything down, but if you ask me - they went down just a bit too far. The Ultras, as far as this aluminum dome tweeter and diffuser design goes is the sweet spot. Metal music really shows this difference, the Ultras are noticeably more energetic and just have a bit more air and detail where as the Pinnacles sound just kinda... boring. One other thing about the Pinnacles, I'd much rather they went with the same 5.25" driver on the below the tweeter instead of using the 6.5" driver here. Would have looked better and not much (if any) of a sacrifice for upper bass performance.
Hey thanks for jumping in here and sharing your thoughts! Appreciate that.
So maybe you can put in a link to your TH-cam channel so we can watch your review? Most of us came to hear what Ron has to say.
Hi Ben Tan do you mean Primes are bright like Klipsch RP series? When asked Joe n Tel said Prime, Ultras and RP600m top end are similar. I was interested in Prime LCR to replace my Wharfedale Diamond 220 for dialogue audibility. In India though are expensive than US but cheaper than RP series. I am attracted to their 3 way centre. I have SVS PB1000.
@@sanonmars Not RP series, but the old RF series (the RF 6x series). The Klipsch RP are actually more well behaved and controlled than the Primes. The RP can still get bright, but never harsh. The Primes get bright and CAN be borderline harsh. There is also some distortion at around the 3-4khz range, due to cone break up. This is not a new phenomenon and SVS has fixed it in the Prime Pinnacles.
You could get the Prime bookshelfs for the L/R but get the Ultra center for the center channel instead of the Prime center. Since L/R basically becomes a glorified effects channel the moment you add a center, they don't have to be Ultras unless you're doing multi-channel music or enjoy "multi-channel stereo mode".
@@BenTan89 for those reasons I went with the prime towers and ultra center. The center I love. The prime towers sound great for movies and kick well. But, for 2 channel I feel I am chasing the sound that I want based on music type. They do well with alot of synth based house music, but when rock sounds great at first, very forward but then gets fatigued after a while.
I really wish I bought the ultra towers. Once ai really started to use my system the trail was up and it took me a while to really hear the speakers. The problem is mostly movies is that the ultra is so damn good at them that I did not really notice the prime towers. SvS would of course let me upgrade but the shipping back is around 3 to 400 which kills the return upgrade value. At some point I might just sell and buy. I keep waiting for a refresh on the ultra....
Since you've reviewed these and the Emotiva T2+ speakers which would you choose given the price difference?
Totally different sounding speakers! The Emotiva is tipsy on top and can be a little bright. The SVS is the exact opposite of that.
Then a sub might be a great addition as it's low end may have better definition.
@NewRecordDay - What do you think of these for HT vs Emotiva speakers you reviewed ?
Airmotiv is too bright.
Dang it Ron, to your credit you make it difficult on making a decision for the best "overall" tower speakers. I've watched The Triangle Bro8's, these, the Ultras and the new Elac 2.0's. Not looking for the deepest base from any of them but still quality as you say "tone & texture" tho. I have a pair of SVS SB Ultra 13's. Can you either suggest the best of those or even better do a "Verses" of all 4? Either one would be great ! Thx 👍🏽
Triangle Bro are no no
@@joeygonzo So many folks say they're a ridiculous value. What's your criticism of them?
So would you say a pb2000 pro would be a waste of money with these speakers?
Is that really warm?
Good and cheap pianos can explain better.
What are some cheaper US-available AV receivers you'd recommend for these?
Anything Yamaha, but I’d recommend a newer model with the curved corners. Marantz and Denon seem “luxury” but they don’t sound any better
Iotavx combo.......or......
NUPRIME IDA-8 all in one integrated. Give it a shot Ron.
It would have been nice to see some more images of the speakers you were actually reviewing.
Question: SVS pinnacles vs Emotiva T2+??? Your opinion ???
SVS Prime Pinnacle, Magnat Signature 707, Canton Chrono 90DC and Triangle Genese Quartet today best floor speakers up to 1600-2500$.
Wassup cuzz
What speaker has "texture" in the bass?
svs prime vs klipsch rp600m???
I am a fan, my buddy has them being pushed by a jolida Fusion 3502P
Contrary to general opinion, amps don't push speakers. Speakers take what they need.
carlos oliveira LMAO. really guy it’s a figure of speech
Im torn between svs pinnacle and klipsch rp8000f. Which one would u guys recommend?
Pinnacle. I haven't heard either but the rp8000f has a dip in the midrange, probably because it is only a 2 way.
Went with the Pinnacles. Have them for 9 months now. No regrets.
Coming from the car audio world am i missing something in my understanding. in car world 100w is standard for a 6.5inch mid bass and tweeter pair. in fact most people run 100w just for the mid bass then 25w for tweeter. Where as in home audio 90-110w seems to be considered good power for towers that have 2-3 6.5inch drivers plus tweeters??
not really noise floor is part of it car ambient noise can make more power necessary as well as doors not always being great for "cabinets" for the speakers. Personally I use 60-100w RMS on my surrounds, and an amp with 165W RMS on LCR. Also SVS speakers even though measured as 8 ohm can drop down to and under 4 at times meaning 100W@8 may become quite a bit more at times if the amp can handle it.
need to do the ultra towers
What do you think of Onkyo's cheap receivers?
@Jingle Nuts in what way? I have heard nothing but praise from other people about the value of their TX-82xx series line
Sir can you review Polk RTI A 9
Detailed review! But, I wish Ron would actually power these up with some music and show the subscribers how they actually sound!!! Describing is all fine, but how do they actually sound? Subscribers are left hanging about making a decision on purchasing these because we don't have a clue on how they sound!!!
OK, we're all busting at the seams for the "Review", you know what we mean. M3 Saphires!!!!!! I'm on the fence on these. I need a push.
I hear that, I want a pair as well but dammit they are too expensive, the wife would kill me!!
Hey I'm on the fence buying pinnacles or the ultra tower, been waiting for your ultra review! Any idea when we can expect it?
Within a month
@@Newrecordday2013 my local dealer will have them back in stock within a month, you sire have perfect timing! Thank you!!
Very detailed review!
I'm on a budget and am wondering if I can get away with just a Denon x3700h powering these bad boys in a 3.0 setup...your thoughts good Sir?
Sorry for the late response @FragBoy Stewie. You can definitely run these speakers with your current Denon receiver. I was able to run mine just fine with a Denon S950H before upgrading to a Marantz and separate amplifiers. Granted to truly get the best performance from these speakers, you will need to get an amplifier but for normal or even above normal listening levels you should be more than fine.
@@troystevens9506 Great! Thanks for the reply!
I really like SVS subs.. i've had a few different models for years. from the small sb3000 to the large ultra16 . SVS speakers on the other hand - sound like junk (for their price - which is already cheap.) i'd take an el cheap-o elac over SVS speakers. They will be cheaper and sound better. (that said, i'd get something nicer than both.. but we all have budget limits.) - but, as always, the video was great. (other than the BILLION ads :( )
You do know 45 to 90 watts does not DOUBLE the power, right ?
So these are like Definitive Tech bipolars? Those things have amazing amounts of low end, but it's really muddy. Good for watching Marvel movies, but not great for music.
I have a conundrum... I need new speakers I saw Your review of the Polk R600 and these SVS Prime Pinnacles. I do like crystal clean highs and great midrange and accurate bass, I like to hear the drum sticks tapping the rims of the drums..I like all the subtle sounds .... I like to play it Loud... Mostly into Classic Rock and some Metal but Love all music. So I ask What do You think I will like better the SVS or the POLK R600 ...ANY one care to reply? Super sale on pinnacles 700 each ... 848 each for the Polks ps: I am running an adcom gfa555 (upgraded) 200 watts and a Coda Continumm Audio Window preamp... this Preamp was 2800 bucks and I love it but It plays FLAT no tone controls... Just thought You may need this info I hope to hear from You all. Thank You
I’m doing to be very honest here. When people talk about speakers being flat, warm, harsh, smooth I just don’t get it lol. When I listen to speakers I either like them or I don’t
every time i watch your videos kinda like watching eminem physically:)
Yea, the nice Eminem. 😄
@@hifiman4562 i would say the same talented eminem in the audio community who talks only real shit.
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From a marketing perspective I can respect SVS choosing bass quantity over quality. Only a small minority of listeners will complain about too much bass. I prefer acoustic bass to sound lifelike and have definite pitch and rhythm.
Quantity or extension? I don't like bass humps. I do like that my Genelec 8260 goes flat down to 20hz.
@@stevenswall In case you missed Ron's room treatment video, he could only reduce the bass nodes, not eliminate them. Dipole speakers like the Spatial and GR Research excite fewer nodes.
Hard to imagine you dont hear aluminium tweeter, maybe you are getting old? You dont think it would be smoother with silk or paper?
Eh I wouldn’t go that far. All I’m saying is they did a great job at taming it.
@Marten Dekker Its pretty hard to fight physics? I would imagine it is also pretty easy to measure. People hear what they want to hear sometimes.
Looking for speakers that will sound better than my tv...🙄
Hi Ron.
The IOTA is priced in Pounds not Euros 🙂
Hahaha! Thank you!
No response graphs?
My measurement system broke, it’s in for repairs soon.
@@Newrecordday2013 .. I watched ..but didn't recall if you mentioned. My bad. :-)
In your opinion, do the svs models live up to in performance as they do in looks?
its low price... £700 for a 90w stereo amp...
Where are you SVS ultra towers come on guys it’s time to face the truth
How much is a Euro in real money?
You said you cannot measure these speakers. Why is that?
My measurement gear broke. I am sending it in for repairs.
@@Newrecordday2013 Roger. Thanks.
Audioholics have measurements checkout the site.
Maybe not your fault but way,way to many adds!!!!!
I’m sorry man, I have no control over that stuff.
I felt the same. Most other reviewers I’ve seen have ads only at the beginning. NRD has multiple ads throughout and it’s very jarring when they pop up with no warning.
Sorry Ron, it started to sound like a commercial for all the components.
That’s ok - everything I said is how I feel. Appreciate the feedback!
@@Newrecordday2013 I believe you, just offering an unsolicited critique.
I appreciate you Todd. Keep me honest and if I start fluffing stuff up to much, let me know. Thanks dude!
WHY WHY WHY........? Do I keep getting hair removal ads for women, when watching your videos.....???? Please make it stop Ron......😔
I have no control over that
@@Newrecordday2013 Well...if this it what i takes for you to keep posting brilliant content.....then so be it....I will endure😉😎
@@jim9930 it was meant as a joke😊😎