Belly Pan Skid Plate for 2018+ Honda Goldwing from WingStuff | Cruiseman's Reviews | 2022
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Thanks for following up on both the wing stuff plate as well as Traxxions. Seems to me that with the modifications made by wing stuff, both will provide the sought after protection. Very informative.
I would actually opt for a kit that has the properly bent brackets. You should not have to do that…
@@samerhallak so once formed it will come out , but if it comes pre formed it won't? That makes no sense.
@@alsaint7944 simply it needs an engineer to understand it.
Wingstuff just announced that current kits will come with pre-formed mounting brackets, that will not touch the header pipe when installed! Good news!
@@claynicolsen5401 that is good news
It would have been easier if heed put the brackets on the correct bolts ( the front bolts on the engine bars and not the rear ones ) like it says in the instructions then you don't have to bend anything
I appreciate the install video, Cruiseman, even after I have already installed my own from WingStuff. Thank you.
I wondering if this case guard is install right..it looks like the plate is mounted below the lower fairing chin in this video..but on the GL1800 riders forum a picture is showing the plate tucked inside the lower chin fairing...that would explain why there is such a long mounting slot at the back end of the plate...so you can slide the plate back and forth as you postion the plate into the lower chin fairing...looks much better that way and would also keep the road grime out from under the case guard better.
It would have been easier if you'd put the front brackets in the correct bolt holes ( the front bolts on the engine bars and not the rear ones ) like it says in the instructions then you wouldn't have to have bend anything
Thank you for your review. After your review I am glad that I purchased and installed the Traxxion engine case guard.
Same!!
Well said! Speaking from experience..If you've ever had an impact to the engine guard you won't waste your money or time on this product.
@@gregb.6682 this plate only needs to be made a bit thicker and it would offer all the protection of the Traxxion case guard without removing any engine bolts to install
Nothing keeps you from permanently installing the T-bolt with a separate nut and then installing the plate over it with another nut except maybe my post below. It appears the "recess" or bend in the rear portion of the plate is deep enough so the additional nut will not lower the plate significantly. On the install pictures I have seen the T-bolt appears quite long, so maybe this was somebodies thought anyway.
I have Max's ECG system and installed it on my DCT. I have since removed it (Never ridden it, just installed), re-torqued all the OEM bolts (which were torqued all over the road). I had also reshaped the cutout for the rear Oil drain plug.
The bracket fit was fine, but the remove/re-install process with seven (too short 10mm screws) is cumbersome. The plate is heavy when you are lying under your bike on your back and are trying to hold up the plate with one hand and trying to insert one or two fiddley tiny screws with the other. Big pita, IMO.
YMMV
Well wing stuff changes it again I believe to the better. You now attach it to the front engine guard bolt . No more worries about highway pegs . It’s kind of crazy how many times they have changed each time gets better.
Chris, good video! I appreciate your doing the videos on both the Wingstuff and Traxxion protection plates. Advantages and disadvantages to each! That T-bolt at the back of the Wingstuff plate might be a challenge to situate while on my back or side, looking up through my bifocals 🤓. However, it appears that both company’s products will now serve the purpose intended.
Good review and install guide. The soft aluminium brackets and touching the HOT exhaust mite weaken over time. check regularly I say..I’d put a bigger washer on the Tbolt for sure.. good plate tho…👍
Wingstuff should be refunding everyone’s money who ended up with the first and second editions. Mine was crap and did not have the Nut and washer for the T bolt. Had to try to find replacement at local hardware store. Seems to me they should have taken the faulty one off market if they were designing a new one, instead of selling substandard plates. I literally purchased the last edition a month ago.
They should not be selling anything that's not finalized. Its kinda scuwy of them to do so.
This video made 9mos ago must have update/different instructions. Here in Oct 2022. Those 2 front bracket bolts between exhaust pipes are now the 2 bolts forward just inside the lower side engine covers. A goat screw, but not impossible and certainly not 15-20 min by any means. Not a complicated process but requires the finger dexterity of a martial artist. 😂 Got to be able to better engineer brackets that require no bending. Brackets that fit the Wing as it should. Otherwise a good value.
Received this kit yesterday. The “T” nut has two nuts and the acorn nuts are no longer shipped in the hardware pack. Face lock nuts have replaced them. I was never a fan of a belly pan. But, seeing engine case damage on the Goldwing forum, I ordered this pan from Wingstuff. It is absolutely a very sturdy pan. If road debris destroys this pan, you have bigger problems. I was hesitant to order this over the heavier Traxxion pan. But, seeing it firsthand, I can assure you, it’s more than adequate to prevent damage to your engine case. It is very heavy (like 1/8”+) thickness. I was actually surprised at the quality and strength of this pan. I would not hesitate to say, spending more money on the traxxion is a waste of your dollars.
Does not look nearly as "substantial" as the Traxxion Dynamics skid plate. Also wondering if in the future, the engine guards/ tip over protection Max talked about making will work with either plate?
I have an ’18 Tour, manual. I installed the latest version of Wing stuff’s belly pan on 1/25/22. It was a fairly easy install, taking me less than 45 minutes. I watched Cruiseman’s video before starting. He covers the process pretty well.
A couple of points have changed since he posted it. The front brackets are pre-bent. However, I still had to make minor adjustments on both sides. The kit now includes two washers and nuts for the rear t-bolt. This allows you to secure the T-bolt, with one washer and nut. You then slide the plate onto the bolt, and secure it with the second washer and nut.
I have a few minor concerns:
The printed instructions say that you can slide the belly pan above the front plastic cover, and push the plate up about an inch. I could not do that on my manual. To me, there was not enough gap to slide the plate inside. The brackets also hold the plate lower than the plastic cover.
I’m concerned about the nuts coming lose while going down the road. You need to remove the plate for oil and filter changes, so you may not want to use Loctite. A nylon-insert lock nut might help on all three nuts. Lock washers may help also.
Be aware that the nut, on the left side bracket, is pretty close to the shift linkage on the manual bike. (May not be a problem with the DCT.) You may need to adjust the bracket, to make sure there’s enough clearance.
Just my 2cents worth.
The braces on the front should come pre bent - fail. SAE hardware on a Metric Bike (if that's the problem you were having) - they should be identified in the instructions under "tools required" - another fail! A "T bolt" that, if it comes loose, will come right out of the hole - another fail!
Hmmm, wonder if the skid plate should fit "under" the front cowl?
I do like the idea of NOT having to remove bolts that are holding the engine together as is required with the other Skid Plate when its time for an oil change. And, I like the full coverage. Even if there is a heaving impact pushing the skid plate into the engine the force will distributed much better than not having the plate in place.
I do like the idea of the flush mounted bolts on the Traxxion Dynamics skid plate bottom as they seem easier to undo than trying to get a 14mm (or whatever) wrench on an acorn nut "up underneath".
GREAT review - thanks & keep them coming. HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Good point Don, the T bolt in the rear should have 2 nuts... one to hold the T-bolt on and in place (with some lock-tite), then you put on the plate and have second nut that holds the plate on.
You can mount it with the plate under the front cowl.
@@cruisemansgarage Hi Chris, Do you mean that it can be tucked in, under the front cowl and then bolted up? Thanks, Al
@@alt9874 Yes, you can install it that way, but when I tried it that way it sort of reshaped the plastic, like it was being put under stress. So, I opted to install under the cowl.
If the 2 left and right hangers are pre bent, they would not maneuver between the engine and pipes. This was left intentionally so customer can form it easily by following instruction starting from top engine guard bolt. Once it's formed it could go in and out easily.
Got my 2020 DCT Tour in February 2020. Looking at skid plates like do many are doing. Still not one I would buy. I would not even look at Traxxion and end up with a oil leak. Thank you Cruisemans for doing these videos. This helps all of us make better decisions.
Mmmm.... for 180 beans, I believe in my opinion , it's a fail ! way to much fiddling and not solid enough when it comes to the front brackets. The rear T bolt is another pain....maybe if they incorporate a nut inside a hard rubber grommet which you slide in the oval hole and use a flat bolt with an allen key center ...same for the front brackets which would be pre-bent and of better stronger metal...welded nuts and flat head bolts with allen key center it might be worthy of 180 beans and of easier installation and removal for oil change.....again until then...it's a fail in my opinion !
Thanks for the review ! it will save a lot of people time and $$ , be well !
Hope the visit went well !!
I won't install one for the simple reason it has to be removed to do an oil change...and they all look too flimsy to protect against something big enough to damage the crankcase...I guess it would be better than nothing, but still...
I can see it now on the website. “Does this item fit your bike?”
Yes, it fits every bike as long as you bend the one size mounting bracket to fit your bike.
Looks like the easiest belly pan protector to install - there’s a bolt on one of the other competitors plates that I’m not keen on, however that one may provide more protection?
Good concept and the fact you do not remove critical bolts of the engine block is a plus for me. This is pretty simple install. What bugs me big time is the fact that I will need to guess the banding and angels and more. Why ??? It should come as a Lego kit, plug and play. This will deter bikers from ordering. Traxxion's is way more solid, but I have an issue with the engine block bolts removal and the fit of the plate is way too tight. The plate on Max's must float and then tightened.
Fitted my Wingstuff belly pan today. The brackets are a right royal PITA!....especially if like me, you have the Goldstrike Highway pegs fitted. It's doable but very fiddly have to line up the highway peg bracket with the POS belly pan bracket and the bolt hole in the casing. Lots of sweating and swearing involved. I ended up tapering the highway peg mounting bolts that the bellypan brackets also hang from so they would find their way easier into the casing eventually. IMO, a better and easier way would be a 2 piece bracket for each side, either end bolted into their respective holes and then joined with another nut and bolt in the middle?? ....Just a thought.
I placed front of the skid plate under the front plastic skirt instead of on below it as you have. It's asking to hook up or catch on debris. Which will could cause damage by dragging or worse.
One would have thought that wing stuff would have already made the proper bend in that bracket that connects to the engine case between the two exhaust pipes ?? Seems like it’s still not an ideal situation
Totatally agree with Mat, I appreciate these are still new products but really it shoud not require any bending by the user to fit !
Form fit and function. Both plates need refinement.
To be clear, WingStuff does not manufacture the product, they simply have an exclusive marketing arrangement with the designer. Or, at least that is my understanding.
Can you please address the fact that the instructions show the brackets installed on the "front" engine guard bolt not the rear ones???
Good follow up! You'd think, the brackets would come pre-bent, tho. Wouldn't ya? Too much like "backyard engineering" All in all, looks pretty good
If the 2 left and right hangers are pre bent, they would not maneuver between the engine and pipes. This was left intentionally so customer can form it easily by following instruction starting from top engine guard bolt. Once it's formed it could go in and out easily.
@@samerhallak This reply makes no sense. If it goes in and out easily once it's formed, it follows that it would go in easily if it were preformed...As it is the hangers do NOT go in easily as the are NOT preformed and have to be bent in a ridiculous ritual/ceremony
@@wernerm9613 since you don't have it physically in hand, you won't be able to tell. I know what I am talking about.
@@samerhallak This reply makes no sense. If it goes in and out easily once it's formed, it follows that it would go in easily if it were preformed...As it is the hangers do NOT go in easily as the are NOT preformed and have to be bent in a ridiculous ritual/ceremony
@@samerhallak you have it "physically in Hand"? I suspect you work for the manufacturer and you are doing your job.
It seems like a lot of modification is required for a Bike Specific part. Think I’ll wait for Max’s. I’m also not a fan of paying for advertising on products. A small MFG badge is fine but come on that’s over the top. On that back attachment it seems to me if it went a little farther back you could use a button hole slot to make it easier to remove the pan for maintenance without having to remove the bolt/
Hardly advertising. Who the hell is going to see that?????
@@robertmercer9117 it’s a philosophy ok. Btw if you can see the logo turn me over 😱
I think this latest version is going in the right direction. I would like to see the plate go a little thicker and remove the bottom cutouts and that Wingstuff cutout..those cut outs are unnecessary and only increase the cost...the front mounting brackets should be made from stainless steel and be already bent.
I already bought the Traxxion case guard but havn't installed it. I don't know what to think with the few reported oil leaks after installing the Traxxion case guard. I like how this case guard doesn't mount to the engine but the front mounting brackets could be made from much stronger stainless steel.
Frank I totally agree with all your points. I was going to order the Traxxion version, but I'm hesitant now about taking out those engine bolts and the possible oil seeping. This version seems fine, but the connecting arms should be pre-bent stainless like you suggest. Maybe they'll do that in their next version.
I think the oil seepage was temporary and will resolve itself. I am doing long term testing and will report back.
@@cruisemansgarage Chris. Can we remove the rear oil plug bolt to drain oil without removing the rear machined retention block. Still have yet to see if is is still a point of contention as the retention block should be replaced with one wher the drain bolt can freely be removed. That would be the solution as a crush washer is needed on this cap bolt. Hope to hear from Max next week.
@@cruisemansgarage Thanks Chris, I am curious to know if that oil seepage stops. Let us know which one you decide to use permanently.
@@SecurityBob the Traxxion case guard I received has a notch milled in the rear bracket so the oil plug with the DCT model can be removed without touching the mounting bracket..it was a afterthought and done after the part was anodized. Its not needed with the 6-speed model
It looked to me like the Wingstuff skid plate could be shaped ( bent up enough) in the front area to be placed on top of the front cowl to help protect the plate from collecting road dirt and small stones? Just a thought, it does look good, and yes I do believe it will help protect the engine from large road debris. As always great video and job well done. Mike
Traxxion or WingStuff? You've done videos on both. Which one is on your bike for daily use?
I put the Traxxion on mine and found your install video to be more helpful than Max's. I've only got about 150 miles on the bike since adding it, but so far no oil leakage.
seems like if the rear T-bolt was abit longer, you could put a washer and thin nut to secure it, then the skid plate and washer and nut. that way the T bolt would not have to be lined up every time you take the plate off.
Just ordered the traxxion plate for my 2022. I think much stronger in the event of a connection with speed bump or rock. Besides the fact that wingstuff is backordered. Almost $300 for the traxxion but I think I will feel much more comfortable with it as well. Thanks for the awesome videos.
I love mine
The bracket is not being connected to by correct bolt. There is a bolt further forward, visible thru the front cover panel on the right-hand side where the bracket needs to be connected. On the left hand side, the front panel would have to be removed since bolt is not visible. When properly done, no bending of bracket would be required. Video needs to be updated. 🤔
Let us know how long before the skidmark (plate) begins to rattle. The "adjustment" holes being oversized for the Tbolt means it is likely to loosen a bit and since the only thing holding the "T" in place is torque, steel through aluminum, if it moves around or loosens even a little, it falls out and that might be a problem.
Which do you prefer, the WingStuff guard, or Traxxion Dynamics?
Thanks for the review!
What is the OEM purpose of the bolt that is removed between the first and second exhaust pipe to mount that strap type hanger?
Is it an Engine Case Bolt that compresses an Engine Oil Gasket or does it mount a particular part of Motorcycle hardware?
I do not like to have to remove ANY Engine Case Bolts that secure Engine Oil Gaskets as I feel it just potentially invites oil leaks in the future 🤯
I believe that Chris verified that it is one of the mounting bolts for the tip-over bars, so it's not a bolt that holds any part of the engine cases together.
Clay is correct, these are the lower mounting bolts for the tip over bars.
EXCELLENT QUESTION !
This procedure is contrary to the instructions with the new belly pans. However...I have comfort bars installed on my 2022 Gold Wing and the procedures provided by the company don't work. Cruiseman's procedure depicted in the video is an alternative that actually works if you have the comfort bars. The only issue is the brackets are heavier metal and don't bend quite as easily as the aluminum ones depicted in this video.
Very good conclusion on if the product stand to its purpose! honestly after seeing the brackets size holding the plate I think it will ultimately damage more parts if this 850 lbs monster hits a concrete block or something! I believe this is a total waste of money for a GW, just watch where you are going and avoid following those dual purpose bike!
I understand, but I am not sure that either of these products is really designed with hitting a concrete block in mind. Putting all 850 pounds + the rider and gear onto any engine guard will most likely result in damage. These are designed to protect against objects getting kicked up from the front tire and striking the underside.
@@cruisemansgarage and this happened to you on your last GW didn’t it Cruiseman?
@@6582rg Not exactly, I hit a piece of scrap iron on the highway at 65 mph that cracked the engine case, but only had a thin belly pan which was destroyed.
@@cruisemansgarage Hi Cruiseman, I still think it is useless the flat-6 engine block being very capable of enduring FOD's in my view, a plate covering the thin walls of the exposed oil filter would have make more sense to me!...this is not about arguing it is about discussing the sense of a concept, sometime more is less!
I like the skid plate but not a big fan of the front brackets. I homemade a makeshift plate to go to Alaska last year and used a similiar mounting bracket in the front. Had to bend them also to get around the exhaust. It Looked clunky but necessary. I wasn't happy with it but it was all I had as no one had made a skid plate for this bike. (US/Canadian border didn't open in time so trip was postponed) I just purchased the Traxxion Dynamics skid plate two weeks ago. I would have preferred Max had put some vent/drain holes in his plate. I will likely drill my own holes in it before mounting it. CG good video on mounting this skid plate. I was kind of kicking myself for buying the TD plate but after seeing those front brackets I will stick with Max's TD skid plate.
Whats your thought on this plate vs the Traxxion plate? Did re-applying the correct torque resolve the oil seepage?
I am in the process of evaluating both products and need a little more time to give each a fair evaluation. I am monitoring the oil seepage and will report back soon.
Hey Cruiseman my question is if I have Gold Strike Highway pegs will this belly pan work? It looks like a different bolt from the hole the highway peg bracket goes into but I just wanted to be sure… thanks
That is a question for WingStuff. I know that were working on a way to accommodate the GoldStrike highway pegs, but I am not sure if these brackets provide that.
@@cruisemansgarage thank you very much sir for the reply. I’ll look into it.
Yes.. they will work with Goldstrike highway pegs.@@BigSmittyRiding
@@ricka.8584 you are the man! Thank you very much for answering!
I just installed this pan a few hours ago and it appears the updated product front brackets needs to be installed to the most front engine guard bolts vice using the second frame bolts per this video...I had no problem with the left bracket and it installed without any bending however, the right bracket needed to be bent in two different places/section to complete the installation...
In addition, the rear T-Bolt now comes with two nuts, the first nut one allows you to preinstall the T-Bolt on the bike's slotted fame hole and when complete, the rear can be installed without manipulating the T-Bold or worry about it coming loose. It also comes with a lock washer however the front nuts are standard nuts and I wish they included lock washers...I may stop by home depot and add my own lock washers later on.
I would still give this product a 4 on pricing but a 3 on the front bracket installation and over all a 4.5 on the overall product quality and strength...I know the Traxxion belly pan is the Cadillac version, but the pricing and cost of shipping just brakes my overall budget...I guess a pan is a pan and "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it"...lol
I also received what I believe is the not the updated version as well. The instructions also say to install the front brackets to the front engine guard screws. Not as shown in video. I called them regarding the bends in the brackets. The ones I received only had the one angle bend at the top. I called them and they are sending me new updated brackets and instructions.
Hi Chris, When your video showed you putting that T bolt in place it looked as though the plate itself was pinching the rubber tubing to the side of it. Was this an issue or am I imagining it?
I don't recall any pinching but I will double check.
One concern I have with the Wingstuff solution is this: the front portion mounts to the engine and the rear portion mounts to the frame.
Now, the engine is possibly rubber mounted or otherwise isolated from that same frame. The engine therefore would be free to move somewhat by design, Every time you apply throttle or torque, for instance, the engine will move in the frame in the opposite direction of the shaft drive turn direction. The case guard rear frame mount cannot move while the front mount will move with the engine. This means the case guard will continuously flex back and forth as the engine is running and torque is applied or removed from the drive train. Also the solid mounting of the plate to the frame will allow noise and vibration to transmit freely from the engine to the frame or the rest of the bike. IMHO the rear mount needs to be redesigned with an insulated rubber mount ( rubber well nut) to avoid these issues.
It seems to me that both available solutions (Max or Wingstuff) have a lot of development work left to be done. But as usual the testers will be the first customers as the manufacturers are usually almighty and will find a thousand reason why everything they do is absolutely perfect🤣
I have to say the front brackets are a big fail for me. They look like a great way to rub your exhaust system and either rub a hole in the pipe or wear the bracket to failure really fast. A belly pan taking a nose dive at highway speed can be disastrous. Leaving the forming of the brackets to the customer is kind of cheesy. No thanks!
Amen . If that contraption come loose or falls off you are going to be in the crash of your life.
On another video you installed the Traxion Dynamic cover plate. You had also felt this might have created an oil leak. You were going to follow up with another report you did further investigation. I’ve been waiting on your report before installing mine. I reached out to Max but to date I have not received a response. Did you discover what was causing the oil leak?
Yes I think we all want to know if the oil leak was resolved
I've only put about 150 miles on it so far, but no oil leak with the Traxxion guard.
I have re-torqued the bolts on the engine, cleaned the area and am monitoring. I suspect it was a one-time seepage and has corrected itself. I will report back.
Is it possible for the front of the skid plate to tuck up inside the lower front cowling?
Yes, you can mount it either way, but it is pretty thick and could distort the plastic cowl.
Another great question . If that thing gets bashed hard in the front, it will destroy the cowling as well.
After watching this video and Max's video , I am rather unimpressed with both. 1st I think it's not acceptable for these brackets to have to be bent by the installer. I can see getting them in contact with the exhaust which would make NOISE by reverberating through the system. I agree with your other concerns. If these things are really necessary , why doesn't Honda include them ? This isn't a dual sport bike !
You can bend the brackets so that they do not touch the exhausts.
My 2021 Goldwing DCT is in the shop now. Had a nice oil leak after I got off the highway just 45 miles to the house thank goodness. Looking underneath the next day, cleaned excess oil and leak looked like the front timing cover. Shop says I damaged the shifter cover from road debris. Waiting for parts, I've been off the road for 2 and a half weeks now. I don't have room at my place to much work on the bike. So I'm ordering this guard, looks easy for me to take off before taking bike to the shop for an oil change.
Also i would replace those Acorn nuts with nylon lock nuts
I might recommend doing the same.
I don’t like the brackets. If they’re going to mass market the product it really should fit without the customer deciding where and how much to bend the brackets. Using your exhaust pipe to create a bend is not what I consider a professionally engineered product. Also, get rid of the company name cut all the way through the bottom plate. Those holes will become an entry point for dirt, pea gravel, etc.
I "think" the thought was that the slots and name cut into the plate would offer ventilation. Not sure that ventilation is needed, but I suspect that was the intent.
If the 2 left and right hangers are pre bent, they would not maneuver between the engine and pipes. This was left intentionally so customer can form it easily by following instruction starting from top engine guard bolt. Once it's formed it could go in and out easily.
@@samerhallak This reply makes no sense. If it goes in and out easily once it's formed, it follows that it would go in easily if it were preformed...As it is the hangers do NOT go in easily as the are NOT preformed and have to be bent in a ridiculous ritual/ceremony
If these skid plates are so important, Why doesn't Honda put one on the bike? Or offer one as a add on? I'm not sold on them. Poor sound quality when you moved to the garage
We could make that same argument about a more comfortable seat, or better suspension, or any aftermarket product offered.
This installation video appears flawed. Cruiseman, you connected the aluminum strip to the wrong bolts. May not matter much since the new Wingstuff belly pans are configured differently - but for folks with older pans like me - don’t do it this way.
I recently bought the Wingstuff pan. The brackets are still garbage; bent wrong and weak. They should be stainless steel rather than aluminum.
has anyone used a bike lift with the belly pan installed?
I would definitely not recommend it with the WingStuff and would be cautious using it with the Traxxion. The aluminum brackets on the WingStuff would definitely give under the weight of the bike. I am afraid the exhaust manifold would be compromised.
Why the hell wouldn't the manufacturer bend the bracket? WTF.
@@samerhallak This reply makes no sense. If it goes in and out easily once it's formed, it follows that it would go in easily if it were preformed...As it is the hangers do NOT go in easily as the are NOT preformed and have to be bent in a ridiculous ritual/ceremony
This product is an all around failure. How can anybody take up for this shoddy product. Useless. Get right.
@@samerhallak so why after they are bent can you still maneuver it into place?
@@adamt581 because it becomes shorter bracket, so it fits better.
@@samerhallak so according to your reply, once it's formed it becomes shorter and therefore fits better? This reply is just as much nonsense as your first one. Based on this answer, if it were preformed it would be easier to install, which you denied before.
Good Review! I think that this "Skid Plate" is a runner up to what Max has created! It looks flimsy by comparison and the mounting brackets seems weak, not to mention the extra work that you went to to make it fit! Makes me wonder which skid plate you are going to have installed on your bike... I'd like to know! (:>)
I am not sure I would refer to it as "flimsy", it is still stout enough to prevent a pretty decent strike that could take out your oil filter or engine case.
If the 2 left and right hangers are pre bent, they would not maneuver between the engine and pipes. This was left intentionally so customer can form it easily by following instruction starting from top engine guard bolt. Once it's formed it could go in and out easily.
@@samerhallak This reply makes no sense. If it goes in and out easily once it's formed, it follows that it would go in easily if it were preformed...As it is the hangers do NOT go in easily as the are NOT preformed and have to be bent in a ridiculous ritual/ceremony
@@wernerm9613 since you don't have it physically in hand, you won't be able to tell. I know what I am talking about.
@@wernerm9613 It just appears the hangers are made of very lite material and I'm not sure about the strength of them. But then again I am only compairing "pictures" that I have seen on the internet! Again, they look flimsy by "comparison" to what Max has built! At this time I am still trying to decide which one to buy! (:>)
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shame on the manufacturer/seller for not engineering the brackets without mods.
Hey wing stuff - stop cutting your name in every part either stamp it or etch it or leave off.
ya gotta be kidding. Parts aren't designed for the fit and then it's kinda half baked, part loading against exhaust header? Gotta bend em yourself. What's next, a pile of dirt, process your own aluminum then roll it then cut it?
Hell
Where can I buy it?
Wingstuff.com
Very nice skid plate but a poorly designed mounting system. Those front brackets should be pre-bent to fit perfectly and that rear T-bolt should be replaced with something that is permanent and can't turn and drop out. I would not purchase this setup after seeing your video - but then I wouldn't buy Max's either. A properly designed skid plate should allow access to remove drain plugs and filters without having to remove the plate itself. That being said, I believe that a skid plate is a necessary accessory as I damaged a coolant tank underneath my last Wing . . . then I installed one . . . too late of course.
I am not impressed with it. First, why should I have to bend brackets to make it fit. That's not right. The brackets should already be bent in the shape to fit the installation. Second, I'm not a mechanic, but I don't think anything should be laying up against the exhaust headers even metal that won't be affected by heat. That is just a bad design. I wouldn't be surprised if down the road you could also get a rattling or vibrating sound from there. Third, shouldn't the front of it go under the plastic lower cowling? I could see that it would be a good place for dirt and debris to get in there on top of it from what is thrown off the front wheel. I went on Wingstuff website and, of course it isn't available yet, but there are no instructions. I was hoping to see if they tell us we have to bend those brackets to make them fit. Good video. Now that you have videos out on both Wingstuff and Traxxion, which do you prefer?
If the 2 left and right hangers are pre bent, they would not maneuver between the engine and pipes. This was left intentionally so customer can form it easily by following instruction starting from top engine guard bolt. Once it's formed it could go in and out easily.
This design is a fail. The Traxxion plate is a cnc milled and anodized work of art. I have it installed and over a thousand miles on the bike no oil seeps.
I made the mistake of buying the Wingstuff plate. Piece of junk, I took it back off and will be ordering the Traxxion one.
Seems cheap and some what Mickey Mouse
What a pile of junk. Traxxion you still have the superior product.
Word! I wouldn't even leave mine on my bike, Wingstuff needs to make some brackets that fit and are stronger.