Its interesting cause apparently, Dany had part of the dream when she was in the House of the Undying, seeing people with Silver-White Hair but with eye colors that match those of the Emperors of the Great Empire of the Dawn. Seems White Hair is a symbol of inner fire Magic, but where Valyrians had mostly Purple eyes, these others had other special eye colors, or rather, eye colors with special shades. So fancy shades of Blue or maybe Amber, etc.
I have been looking for a theory like this from someone who has gone deeper into the lore than I have for quite a while. When a world is built by a single mind, that mind is all but required to have ways of staying consistent and organized, and that means under all of this material, there must be some hidden structure that allowed GRRM to keep it all straight as he layered story upon story over it. This theory is probably the closest thing I've seen to lifting the hood on that hidden structure. I'd bet it's very close to the mark. And I think that because so much of this is obvious in retrospect. When something you didn't see before is suddenly pointed out and you wonder how you didn't see it, you can be pretty sure you're looking at something real. And now we know why Viserys claims Aegon's invasion was the requirement of a prophecy -- a Targaryan must be on the Iron Throne when the Others come...because they are the last Valyrians
Brutally good theory video connecting almost all the important "big picture" questions into one coherent whole. One thing I would add is that if the Night's King was in fact a Stark and his bride an Other, then Jon, as a descendent of House Stark might have both the blood of the Others as well as the blood of the Valyrians, making him another melding of Ice and Fire.
I don’t believe the Night’s King’s descendants inherited the throne, he was defeated by the lord Stark at the time and the NK sacrificed his kids to the others so unless the lord Stark at the time married a daughter of the NK (HIGHLY unlikely since his kids were seen as abominations) Jon isn’t his descendant
@@eddieroy2418 The Night's King, the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch who married an Other and declared himself king, *may* have been a Stark (it is unclear). However, that is not the problem with the theory, but rather that House Stark is descended from the contemporary King Stark (the Night's King's brother, according to one account), not the Night's King. You know, the actual Stark line (not that of the greatest and most notorious oath-breaker whose children with an Other would have been considered bastards of his oath-breaking and abominable demon spawn). How would the Night's King's "demon spawn" have become the progenitors of the current Stark line? The idea sounds interesting, but it makes no sense. I find the idea that House Stark is somehow descended from the Night's King's illegitimate unholy marriage extremely unlikely, at best.
@@edwinsoto6932 The fact that the oldest levels of the Crypts of Winterfell are conveniently destroyed definitely hints that Stark ancestry is tainted and someone was trying to cover it up.
Great theory, if the shadowbinders really fear the greenseers then it could explain why no animals live long in Asshai.. they could've used some sort of magic to make sure they die off soon after entering the city.
BTW, the signers singing "sad songs": Rhaegar's song at the Tourney was a "sad song" and Mance (as Abel) is singing a sad song in Winterfell. As for the Ghost of Highheart, she says she gorged on grief, which sounds like she wanted to cause grief. I suspect that because Aegon sought to hatch the dragon eggs, and because he was against the marriage of Duncan and Jenny, the GoHH wanted to prevent him from having the power of dragons, so she sabotaged the hatching, but in doing so accidentally caused Jenny's death. Mankind is not supposed to have power unless it is to rule over the rest of mankind under the worship of the old gods.
I'm so used to videos taking forever to get to the point that I almost thought I missed something when two minutes into the video you were already talking about the main point lol. I really appreciate how direct this video is and I think the theory holds up
I like the idea of Ghost Grass being like the weirwood of Essos. I don't think it could be referring to the Others because Xaro Xhoan Daxos tells Dany that Ghost Grass is growing in the Garden of Gehane in Qarth.
The ghost grass being like weirwoods also doesn't really work either. There's another type of tree, the one the Shade of the Evening the warlocks drink comes from, which is described in similar terms to the weirwoods. The big difference being blue leaves instead of red
Really enjoyed this video. I like the possibility of an expansion on this ancient race readers know as the children of the forest, and others of their ilk. With different wrinkles to their culture, ideas, relations to man and other aspects of nature. This is the sort of asoiaf magic and history based material that definitely speaks to me and draws my interest.
Did you compare The Others to _grass_ ? Can you think of any ways in which _grass_ and _The Others_ are, you know, not very similar? It's like comparing aardvarks and cucumbers.
I've been saying for years that there's a connection between ghost grass and weirwoods and you're the first person I've seen mention it. My reasoning is slightly different but more of the same. We get the ghost grass story from the Dothraki, and one of the very first things we are taught about them is that they don't have words for everything, they don't have words for concepts they don't know (I think the actual explanation was that they didn't have a word for please or forgiveness or something like that", and they live in vast grasslands that is sometimes called a sea. Doesn't sound like a place with lots of trees, so it's possible they just don't have a word for trees, because well, why would they? So running with this assumption, the logical thing to call a tree when you have no word for tree is grass. So now we take a look at how ghost grass is described. It is tall (like a tree), white like a weirwood, drains the life force of everything around it like a weirwood, magical like a weirwood, is prophecized to end the world (and while not outright stated, there is a case for the same thing happening with weirwoods if left unchecked), the magic they're tied to is dark, much like.. well, you get the idea.
the people who taught the valyrians how to tame dragons probably wanted them to be weaponized against the magic of the children of the forest up north in westeros but the valyrians got drunk on power and there's probably a safeguard put in place by the people who taught them and this could have caused the doom.
i reckon the faceless god had something to do with valyria going boom because the faceless men originated as slaves under the 14 fires but somehow their cult escaped practiaclly unharmed from valyria falling even tho they were at the centre stage of it
@@lordsathariel4384 there's a theory you can search about how the faceless men and possibly even with the targaryens caused the doom. personally, i don't think the targaryens are involved, but the faceless men seem really sus.
@@lordsathariel4384 it's also possible that they weren't involved but that they somehow got informed of daeny's prophecy and also escaped without helping any of the slaver valyrian overlords. not enough information for me to lean either way. atm, for me it's both possible that they were directly involved or that they got wind of the prophecy.
@@maggyfrog hmm ye i can see them getting wind of the prophecy since i imagine if you have a group who can be anyone they might have people everywere in order to rival some kingdoms in info gathering
Have no idea, but lets see if I got this right, so... In the beginning, there were 2 distinguished races, the giants and the children of the forest (aka The Singers), the first ones, were stone masons, building giant tunnels as their homes, and underground megalomaniac structures, makes me think they were technological advanced, and the other, the children of the forest, were small and fragile magic creatures and had powers such as, the power of overseeing, shapeshifting, the ability to possess/embody other wild creatures and the manipulation of (at least) 2 elements, fire and water (ice). For some reason, giants and the children were foes from the beginning. Then came the first men, colonizing and chopping every tree on their path, the children, feeling their own existence threaten and to avoid more blood shed, a blood pact for peace was created between them and let them never see each other again. Meanwhile, half-giants start to appearing, result of some crossbreeding between men and giants, until the original giants became more or less extinguished. Half-giants had almost the same habits than the old giants, also were stone masons, maze builders, but spend more time living above ground than underground (also managed to tame dragons? That can explain the existence of fused stone at Hightower's city) So, the children saw the half-giants as their new/old foe. Once again, the children of the forest saw their own existence in peril, but they needed a harsh method and used their magic (sing) to create or call upon the sea and the deep sea creatures do defeat the half-giants. So they did. (so the deep sea creature already existed, maybe?) Meanwhile, the children of the forest also teaches some men (Valyrian ppl) the knowledge of ancient magic and how to tame a dragon...(?) Much later on history, a more sophisticated generation of men but nonetheless warmongers called, the Andals, not only started to wage war against the first men, but as soon as they found out about the existence of the children of the forest, they started to hunt them down, fiercely (saw them as unnatural and obscure beings). For the children, this is a huge betrayal from the race of men and a break of the blood pact, so they used their magic/song like they did before against the half-giants, but this time, they call upon the eternal winter and the White walkers.
This theory could also suggest that the Targaryen tradition incest is a purposeful measure by the singers in order to keep the line self-contained and easier to eventually dispose of when it’s time to tie up those loose ends.
But only mostly the ruling family was incestual, the other targaryans not destined to rule were married off to other families. Not to mention the plethora of bastards they made.
Probably the best theories I've heard are on this channel. I feel like I now know the secrets. I've always felt everything is orchestrated behind the scenes by the Children and their Greenseers (not without mistakes of course), but never knew enough information to explain everything, until now haha. Even Euron Greyjoy I think is being manipulated by Bloodraven, in order to bring down the Wall (using the Horn of Winter at Oldtown) for the WW to come so that the Ice & Fire will destroy each other.
Excellent! I also think that Aegon was lured to destroy Harrenhal by the CotF. Harrenhal was a sort of afront to the greenmen, built right next to their HQ. But I think that again, an expected pact was broken, where the Targaryens were expected to rule over men as sort of proxies to the CotF, who wanted to bring them under the worship of the old gods. We have Jacaerys + Sara Snow which brought the "pact of ice and fire", then Duncan the Small + Jenny of Oldstones, then Rhaegar + Lyanna, and maybe eventually Jon + Daenerys. So twice the CotF may have sought to empower men with magic with which they would rule over mankind, once with ice and once with fire, and both times it backfired, as now it is likely that the red priests will champion Daenerys to destroy not only the Others but the weirwood too. The Doom of Valyria, like the destruction of Hardhome, I suspect was due to mankind researching magic. The CotF would want to prevent men from mastering magic, so they brought them down twice.
It’s extremely likely ASoIaF is a post apocalyptic sci-fi setting masquerading as a fantasy setting. I’m very certain that this “magic” was nuclear weaponry. The “cursed” land is radiation. It’s why “any man who sets eyes on the shores of Valyria is doomed.” Because to be that close will have one radiation poisoned.
love this I wish we had such genuine and dedicated people like you running the seasons 5-8 of the GOT TV Series Man, I feel such a sense of loss, watching this video and thinking about the human hubris that led to the lost (glorious) potential of the TV series :(
The Last Hero defeated the Others because he got a hold of the 'One Ring.' Sauron manipulated the Others and Targayrans through the Children of the Forest by his use skinchanging and forging. He forged dragonglass in the fires of Mt. Doom.
Really like this theory and how it would lead to the conclusion. I think nettles being a children of the forest also makes a lot of sense with this theory.
Lack of views on this video is sad , this is much polished , grounded and well thoughtout and less tin-foily than some of preston jacobs vids ( love you preston , but sometimes you go full alex jones )
The Valyrians are a genetic cross breed of wyverns, firewyrms, and 'dragons.' Or rather, dragons are a blood ritual/genetic engineering cross breed between firewyrms, and wyverns, and humans in order for the produces creature to bound to those humans with the same 'blood' (genetic/blood magic imbued). Thus, they aren't really taming them; they are literally seen as the 'same' species due to having the same blood, which is why only those with the blood of the dragon can bond with, and ride, a dragon
I've always wondered if ancient people of the forest were doing crazy magic and it all went to crap turning the whole Eastern region pretty much unlivable
I haven't heard this theory anywhere but I personally subscribe to the idea that the Deep Ones tamed Sea Dragons similarly to the Valyrians and that the oily black stone is their version of fused stone. Not enough information on any of this to confirm but just a gut feeling I've gotten over the years.
It seems like in the world of ice and fire, the magic is elemental; Fire, Earth, Water and Spirit/Air. All magic is combination of these. The children could use all 4 elements. Maybe I've been watching too much Aang 😁
This theory is amazing, still Yeen, Carcossa and nearby cities and overall K´Datn seems to be strikingly something apart from this highly reasonable and well constructed theory which connects and solves so well for all a lot of eerie mystery dark themes throught the Song of Ice and Fire universe. What else could be stated from Sothoryos, Ulthos, the unknown endings of Essos and even northernmost Westeros?
20:00 I think you could have better putted in a different way: Because the children's created white walkers and seeked to balance the song of ice, they taught the valyrians their arts of magic and dragon taming, and then went back to the shadow when they felt they done enough.
unreal breakdown. The facts and correlations are mind boggling once you see them lined up beside each other. My head was spinning watching this! Cheers man thnks for the great research
I don't think the children/singers created the Valyrians. I think the Valyrians are people. But the children/singers could have somehow brought forth the dragons.
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The children didn't create "the others" but they did create the White Walkers. I think the children are actually the villians of the story and are determined to wipe out humans in an attempt to save themselves. The fact that all the remaining children are stuck North of the wall may signify a pact between the Others and The Starks. I'd also guess that the Others and the Starks are bound by blood, magic, and oath. I'd also bet that the tale of Azora Hai was greatly exaggerated and the real reason for the end of the "long night" has something to do with a pact made between the others and the Starks. When you take into consideration that nothing magical can cross the wall, which is WHY the children can't cross it and the fact things become a bit clearer. The children are prisoners of the others in an attempt to contain their evil. The Starks of Winterfell are a last line of defense to contain the Children and so long as thier is always a living "Stark in Winterfell" the magic of the pact is held together. Once Winterfell was empty of Starks is when the pact started to fall apart and the magic started failing which is why Danerys Dragons were able to cross.
You miss wyrms were in valyria before the valyrians acquired dragons. They probably just bred dragons from wyrms and learned to tame them with aide of the children.
No mention of light bringer? I guess the implication is that light bringer was the first Valyrian steel sword. I think Dawn, the sword of house dayne, is light bringer. The azor ahai prophecy is too prevalent to not have an element of truth in my opinion. Love the video, several new perspectives I hadn’t heard before
In Essos they talk about a hero with a red sword, slaying the darkness, leading the virtuous into battle to bring back the day. In Westeros, they talk about the Last Hero with the dragonsteel sword, slaying the Others, leading the first man of the Night's Watch into the battle of the Dawn. With that, you can clearly see that the hero from the Asshai legend was in fact the Last Hero, so the hero that R'hllorist claim to be their god's champion, Azor Ahai is in fact the Last Hero. In the first book, Old Nan tell us that the Last Hero was looking for the help of the Children and their magic, he was chased by the Others and when he faced them, his sword broke (like we've seen in the prologue, the Others' blades are so cold they can shatter steel). The tale stop here but Bran remembered that the Children will help him. In the second book, Saladhor Saan tell Davos that "Azor Ahai" needed a special sword to oppose the "darkness" (the Others were only in Westeros, in visions they appear as "darkness" which is why the Essosis legend are about a hero fighting the darkness). That's the Last Hero who needs a special sword to deal with the Others since their blade can shatter steel. So with the help of the Children (blood sacrifice, spells), they make that magical sword... Fourth book, Sam says he found tales about the Last Hero slaying the Others with a "dragonsteel" sword, a weapon that could kill the Others and we can guess that it can stand against their cold blades. What is the only thing that can kill an Other that we've seen so far? Obsidian which is also call... "dragonglass", a volcanic glass that can generate fire, that can burn without deteriorating, that can kill an Other, melting him... So a dragonsteel sword would be a sword that can burn, preventing the cold blades of the Others to freeze it and shatter it, it would be a blade that could kill an Other, melting him... In the fifth book, Jon read about Lightbringer, a sword that can burn and when it stabb a "demon", he melt.... Lightbringer is the name given to the dragonsteel sword. Dragonsteel is a magical steel with fire magic and made with a blood sacrifice. Valyria sorcery is rooted in fire and blood magic. They produced a magical steel, it's heavily implied that it's made with blood sacrifice. The Others are the ice, they have the blade of ice and the Dragonlords are the fire, they have the blades of fire... And like presented in that theory, the Children are the ones who knew the magic to make dragonsteel and they most likely taught the Valyrians how to make it. So we can expect in the books to see a Valyrian steel reacting against an Others' blade, the VS blade will start to generate heat to counter the frost just like the dragonglass did. In the tv show we can see that VS blades did the same thing that dragonglass, it killed the Others and the blades wouldn't shatter against the Others' weapons. They just remove the burning part of the obsidian (and the Others melting) and therefore, of the VS but it worked the same.
House of the Dragon kinda confirm the theory, if that thing of Aegon conquering westeros because of a dream that told him to unify against "the darkness" reveals itself to be something from the books that have not been reveal yet, a possibility that seems to be quite feasible.
I think it was in ashai that Melisandre learnt to use dark magic, and give birth to shadow creatures. Because that's non of R'lhor methods. My theory is that Melisandre is actually Elissa Farman... If you know her story, she ran from Westeros and stole 3 dragon eggs and was never seen again.. except Corlys Velaryon said that her ship was last seen going to Ashai, the shadowland... My theory is that MELISANDRE (ELISSA+ANDREW=ELISSANDREW) went to Ashai and learned the dark magic of shadows , that's why she can give birth to shadows (Stannis). After that, she went from Ashai to Essos and that's how Daenarys eggs were in Essos, those 3 dragon eggs are the dragon eggs that Elissa stole in the first place, then Elissa(Melisandre) gave herself to R'lhor and became a red priest. That's my theory, when she had to make a new name for her she mixed Elissa and Andrew and got Melisandre. What do you think? Trust me, search the story of Ashai, Elissa and Melisandre
Cool theory, but I got one question, how the hell does a skeleton stay connected while hanging upsidedown!? This is more of a question for George & the story as a whole, but if what Bran saw in the cave was just a dead upside-down dragon or giant bat or whatever, then there's no way that that should be a thing, lol It's probably just an oversight by George, but if not, then there's some crazy Skyrim type necromancy going on in that cave!
It’s easy to find some Tolkien similarities where everything began with a song. But also the songs are referring to the swords. John snow is ice and fire and I think he will wield Ned starts ice sword and the Targaryen dagger, not arya
I honestly think the Rohynar were a part of the story, but the singers made the Valyrian, particularly the Targaryens, in order to defeat the Night King. I think it must have been them who put the ability to have dragon visions in the Targaryen line, just as green-seers have the sight. They could even have put the vision into Daneays' mind, and therefore Aegon the Conqueror's mind and gave him a reason to fly to and conquer Westeros. Maybe the children of The Shadow in Asshai saw what was to come in Westeros, and so they started their song of Fire well before the children in Westeros started their song of Ice.
Another great deep dive! My only problem with this one is not being able to place a connection between the Shadow People (the supposed branch of the Singers) and the Rhoynar. They just seem to be too far off. And while it makes sense for the Rhoynar to have taught the Valyrians the art of forging steel, I just don't see how the Singers could have influenced the Rhoynish and transported a sword to the Last Hero.
I think the Rhoynar and their ironworking are their own thing; the Children probably went there because they had iron, but would have went to wherever had iron anyways.
He mentioned that the Rhoynar worshiped the river gods, and that the Children have a lot of rituals involving rivers as well. If the extremes of the Children's power are fire and ice, their core power seems to be water, seeing as how their most powerful singular act we've seen so far was the Hammer of the Waters.
If you watched his other videos, he argues that the Long Night was triggered by the Andal invasion, so the knowledge of steel was in Westeros during the Long Night.
So, the question as to how humans are able to develop Greenlight has been brought up. I believe it has something to do with Cannibalism, or whatever the equivalent is for when a human devours a Child of the Forest. And that is why the Children created the Cold Shadows, the Others to Mankind, to devour humans as humans devoured them.
where would the empire of the dawn or the golden empire fit in here? they didnt have dragons or know about them? did they know about the children? why would the children need the valyrians when the GE was older and powerful?
Personally i dont think this is far fetched i also thought the Children of the Forest taught the Valyrians how to tame dragons. The Weirwood Network extended to across Westeros and Essos. Before the continent's where separated so it not a great leap to think some of the Children where isolated amd cut off from the Westeros Weirwood network when the land was collapsed to separate them. My thoughts where that the Children of the Forest in Essos where the ones that sided with the first men after the creation of the Whitewalkers. And this was part of why the children collapsed the landmass. I think the creation of the whitewalkers was part of why they taught the Valyrians how to control dragons. And that the reason Essos saw them as demons was because they altered the Valyrians to have dragon Blood. I also think that these fire children are behind the religion on the fire God. And the fact that they say hes good and sided with men to fight against the whitewalkers in the beginning of time leads me to think the Children on both continent's fell out due to a rift on opinions towards the first men. I also think that the Fire Children sent the Targaryans a vision of the Doom to ensure they survived and where in Westeros ready for The Song of Ice and Fire. I think that just like the Westeros Ice Children formed the religion of the Old Gods and the Weirwoods. The Fire Children Formed the Religion of the Fire God to ensure some would stay faithful to the Song of Ice and Fire. To ensure the Whitewalkers and the Valyrians wouldn't get out of control again. The Children being begind fire God is why all the priestesses of (i forget him name) the fire god believe everyone with Targaryan blood, Stanis, Deneares and John Snow are Azura High Reborn. The same for the wierwoods and the Starks. The Fire Children sent the Targaryans for the song to Westeros and the Ice Children guided the Starks. I think that the reason the Fire God is Good and the Whitewalkers evil is because the children fell out. Fire sided with the first men, Ice sided against like the Fire Gods religion says. The fire children accept their extinction and are grooming people to take over the world from them and Ice resents it but both are going to die in the song of ice and fire. The reason i think the fire and Ice Children fell out is because the wierwood network doesn't extend to Essos they have no interaction with eachother. You would think the Greenseers would stay in contact with the wierwoods of Essos but they dont. And i dont think this has anything to do with the distance. Theres a great distance between wierwoods in Westeros (due to the first men cutting them down) yet the Ice Greenseers can still communicate with them. The disconnect is likly down to a difference in opinion and thats why they dont communicate but they can both predict the future so they both know what the other is up to. But thats just my opinion its completely possible they are still working together to restore the balance, one manipulating events in Westeros one manipulating events in Essos.
If your Song of Ice and Fire interpretation is used, it fits quite well with a "tragic hero" ending for Dany where she forsakes the pursuit of the throne for the bigger threat in North, intending to return to claim it, but dying on the field of battle against the others, just as the Children intended. If that's the case it raises some interesting "Stallion Who Mounts the World" issues... either Rhaego is dead and Dany in essence "usurped" the role that the Children had intended for him (which comes with the collateral benefit of a "Breaker of Chains", something that is mutually exclusive with being a "Stallion who Mounts the World"), or he is alive, and Jorah lied to Dany all along, and he still has a role to play. Or, and this is my favorite, the Children themselves killed Rhaego via Mirri because they realized he too would be an overpowered superweapon, perhaps powerful enough to beat the Others and go on to mount the world anyhow.
I love this video,, do not agree about the ghost grass but I like your take on it. The bat skeletons being dragon skeletons and all that theory connecting is epic though!
Well Ice being The Others and Fire being represented by the dragons or Targaryens (Danaeris) is probably no brainer so this is stacking up. And Children of the Forest were active at the East (as well and Deep ones). It could as well be Game of Thrones aka war between children of the West and East that got out of both hands.
I mean with this theory which makes quite a lot of sense, it also leaves the possibility that since dragons have originated from two areas. One being the shadow and since the shadowlands are so large and so dark it’s possible that dragons still exist there even after the dance of dragons. I mean after all we never found out where Grey ghost, Sheepstealer, and Cannibal came from. Because if they originated from Westeros there would be more than the 3 of them. Also coincidentally all of their colors are either darker shades or white/gray in Grey Ghosts case, this would make sense if they originated from the Shadowlands as animals tend to use the colors around them to camouflage with their surroundings. So a darker color like black and brown, or a grey/white tends to take in the colors around it and is also very present in environments that tend to lack a lot of sunlight.
Now that you lay it out?n why wouldnt there be different groups of the Children? There are always different versions of elves in fantasy. And while Westeros had their winter/forest elves, Essos had their summer/fire elves. And unlike in westeros, they managed to share more knowledge with the humans they encountered, but they were soon killed off.
At first, I thought you grasping at straws… But now i think you’re on to something!! It might also be that I’m so desperate for more ASOIAF that any story relating to it sounds good to me.
George said some of the theorists are spot on….i think you’re on of them. Just be aware; he also said that now he is not sure whether to change his plan for how the story will play out.
So the children lived in the shadow, they created the deep ones during the song of water and earth to fight the various giant species, then they created the others during song of iron and bronze to defend themselves from the andals, then they created dragon magic during the song of ice and fire to save themselves from their other run away creations?
killing of the Dragons is bullshit without the riders they would not play a role in the song! Valerians are gone the children are gone.. no more dragon riders!
if the bloodstone causing the others to wake up how can they fight until the north of westeros? when all the man still in the dawn continent? can anyone explain the timeline? if the hero fighting the second long night? who defeated the first long night?
this is really good except the glass candle thing . the targaryens were not anywhere near the most prestigious of dragon lords, and its very possible the daughter of a potentially patriarchical society had little to no experience with them, and theres no indication they present as anything different than a normal dream as far as i remember ? all im saying is both are very much possible imo
what i mean is, the 17th century earl of orkney, though an earl, possibly has little idea what the kings jewels look like and what function his sceptre serves, and those chances for his daughter are even greater. i know not a perfect analogy, but the greatest evil in asoiaf seems to be either the proliferation or hiding of knowledge, and we really dont know who knows what until we do, and even then its often times dubius
17:39 that would explain why George wanted to make valarians black initially, and Corlys would be more accurate amusingly. to bad he couldn't do it because making black slavers would have been to controversial. I understand why he didn't go with his initial idea.
Where on earth did you hear that? He says he doesn't want tropes but story is full of them and fall, fair, white blonde haired super people is an old trope. Like Elric of Melbibone?!?!
This video slapped so much that as soon as it finished i subscribed to your channel. Been a ASoIAF fan for years and never heard the Valyrian Steel= song of fire. Mind blown and completely sold!
Might it be that it could work the other way around too? since the children wouldve encountered what would be future valyria first going west. What if the they helped the sheep farmers on the hills with the dangerous fire worms native to their home by teaching them forms of fire magic. The children moved on to westeros, heard of the atrocities the valyrians caused with their dragons and fire magic, they sung their sad song, creating the white walkers. They lost control of the whole situation which culminated in the long night
it was the melniboneans, and then went back to the young kingdoms. Althoug maybe elric had something with one valyrian lady... which would explain their white hair.
At this point I know more game of thrones history than real history
thats why you have a job!
I get them all mixed up with my own fantasy now
Well GRRM used so many historical events as inspiration, you kind of are learning real history in an indirect way.
Its interesting cause apparently, Dany had part of the dream when she was in the House of the Undying, seeing people with Silver-White Hair but with eye colors that match those of the Emperors of the Great Empire of the Dawn.
Seems White Hair is a symbol of inner fire Magic, but where Valyrians had mostly Purple eyes, these others had other special eye colors, or rather, eye colors with special shades. So fancy shades of Blue or maybe Amber, etc.
I assumed their eyes were just telling us what emperor they were
I have been looking for a theory like this from someone who has gone deeper into the lore than I have for quite a while. When a world is built by a single mind, that mind is all but required to have ways of staying consistent and organized, and that means under all of this material, there must be some hidden structure that allowed GRRM to keep it all straight as he layered story upon story over it. This theory is probably the closest thing I've seen to lifting the hood on that hidden structure. I'd bet it's very close to the mark. And I think that because so much of this is obvious in retrospect. When something you didn't see before is suddenly pointed out and you wonder how you didn't see it, you can be pretty sure you're looking at something real.
And now we know why Viserys claims Aegon's invasion was the requirement of a prophecy -- a Targaryan must be on the Iron Throne when the Others come...because they are the last Valyrians
Brutally good theory video connecting almost all the important "big picture" questions into one coherent whole. One thing I would add is that if the Night's King was in fact a Stark and his bride an Other, then Jon, as a descendent of House Stark might have both the blood of the Others as well as the blood of the Valyrians, making him another melding of Ice and Fire.
Wouldn't that require Jon (and all historical Starks after the Night's King) to be a descendant of the Night's King (and his Other bride)?
I don’t believe the Night’s King’s descendants inherited the throne, he was defeated by the lord Stark at the time and the NK sacrificed his kids to the others so unless the lord Stark at the time married a daughter of the NK (HIGHLY unlikely since his kids were seen as abominations) Jon isn’t his descendant
@@edwinsoto6932 a stark went to the wall to become the top leader i forgot what they are called and married a white walker didn't he?
@@eddieroy2418 The Night's King, the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch who married an Other and declared himself king, *may* have been a Stark (it is unclear).
However, that is not the problem with the theory, but rather that House Stark is descended from the contemporary King Stark (the Night's King's brother, according to one account), not the Night's King. You know, the actual Stark line (not that of the greatest and most notorious oath-breaker whose children with an Other would have been considered bastards of his oath-breaking and abominable demon spawn). How would the Night's King's "demon spawn" have become the progenitors of the current Stark line? The idea sounds interesting, but it makes no sense.
I find the idea that House Stark is somehow descended from the Night's King's illegitimate unholy marriage extremely unlikely, at best.
@@edwinsoto6932 The fact that the oldest levels of the Crypts of Winterfell are conveniently destroyed definitely hints that Stark ancestry is tainted and someone was trying to cover it up.
Great theory, if the shadowbinders really fear the greenseers then it could explain why no animals live long in Asshai.. they could've used some sort of magic to make sure they die off soon after entering the city.
BTW, the signers singing "sad songs": Rhaegar's song at the Tourney was a "sad song" and Mance (as Abel) is singing a sad song in Winterfell. As for the Ghost of Highheart, she says she gorged on grief, which sounds like she wanted to cause grief. I suspect that because Aegon sought to hatch the dragon eggs, and because he was against the marriage of Duncan and Jenny, the GoHH wanted to prevent him from having the power of dragons, so she sabotaged the hatching, but in doing so accidentally caused Jenny's death. Mankind is not supposed to have power unless it is to rule over the rest of mankind under the worship of the old gods.
I'm so used to videos taking forever to get to the point that I almost thought I missed something when two minutes into the video you were already talking about the main point lol. I really appreciate how direct this video is and I think the theory holds up
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I like the idea of Ghost Grass being like the weirwood of Essos. I don't think it could be referring to the Others because Xaro Xhoan Daxos tells Dany that Ghost Grass is growing in the Garden of Gehane in Qarth.
The ghost grass being like weirwoods also doesn't really work either. There's another type of tree, the one the Shade of the Evening the warlocks drink comes from, which is described in similar terms to the weirwoods. The big difference being blue leaves instead of red
Its just a metaphor for the Others. Doesnt mean there is a tangible connection.
@@skilledwarman So shade of the evening is probably the same as the blood + sap weirwood paste Bran are to improve his visions
What does this have to do with the title of the video?..
@@ricardogaspard5287 maybe watch the video?
Really enjoyed this video. I like the possibility of an expansion on this ancient race readers know as the children of the forest, and others of their ilk. With different wrinkles to their culture, ideas, relations to man and other aspects of nature. This is the sort of asoiaf magic and history based material that definitely speaks to me and draws my interest.
Welcome back! As always, insightful and thoughtful stuff
Did you compare The Others to _grass_ ? Can you think of any ways in which _grass_ and _The Others_ are, you know, not very similar?
It's like comparing aardvarks and cucumbers.
I've been saying for years that there's a connection between ghost grass and weirwoods and you're the first person I've seen mention it. My reasoning is slightly different but more of the same. We get the ghost grass story from the Dothraki, and one of the very first things we are taught about them is that they don't have words for everything, they don't have words for concepts they don't know (I think the actual explanation was that they didn't have a word for please or forgiveness or something like that", and they live in vast grasslands that is sometimes called a sea. Doesn't sound like a place with lots of trees, so it's possible they just don't have a word for trees, because well, why would they?
So running with this assumption, the logical thing to call a tree when you have no word for tree is grass. So now we take a look at how ghost grass is described. It is tall (like a tree), white like a weirwood, drains the life force of everything around it like a weirwood, magical like a weirwood, is prophecized to end the world (and while not outright stated, there is a case for the same thing happening with weirwoods if left unchecked), the magic they're tied to is dark, much like.. well, you get the idea.
the people who taught the valyrians how to tame dragons probably wanted them to be weaponized against the magic of the children of the forest up north in westeros but the valyrians got drunk on power and there's probably a safeguard put in place by the people who taught them and this could have caused the doom.
i reckon the faceless god had something to do with valyria going boom because the faceless men originated as slaves under the 14 fires but somehow their cult escaped practiaclly unharmed from valyria falling even tho they were at the centre stage of it
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there's a theory you can search about how the faceless men and possibly even with the targaryens caused the doom. personally, i don't think the targaryens are involved, but the faceless men seem really sus.
@@maggyfrog my logic if you survive the equivalent of 14 pompaie,s at once your more lucky then god or involved
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it's also possible that they weren't involved but that they somehow got informed of daeny's prophecy and also escaped without helping any of the slaver valyrian overlords. not enough information for me to lean either way. atm, for me it's both possible that they were directly involved or that they got wind of the prophecy.
@@maggyfrog hmm ye i can see them getting wind of the prophecy since i imagine if you have a group who can be anyone they might have people everywere in order to rival some kingdoms in info gathering
Cool vid!
As a fantasy writer, I love the immense world-building in ASOIAF
Have no idea, but lets see if I got this right, so...
In the beginning, there were 2 distinguished races, the giants and the children of the forest (aka The Singers), the first ones, were stone masons, building giant tunnels as their homes, and underground megalomaniac structures, makes me think they were technological advanced, and the other, the children of the forest, were small and fragile magic creatures and had powers such as, the power of overseeing, shapeshifting, the ability to possess/embody other wild creatures and the manipulation of (at least) 2 elements, fire and water (ice). For some reason, giants and the children were foes from the beginning.
Then came the first men, colonizing and chopping every tree on their path, the children, feeling their own existence threaten and to avoid more blood shed, a blood pact for peace was created between them and let them never see each other again. Meanwhile, half-giants start to appearing, result of some crossbreeding between men and giants, until the original giants became more or less extinguished. Half-giants had almost the same habits than the old giants, also were stone masons, maze builders, but spend more time living above ground than underground (also managed to tame dragons? That can explain the existence of fused stone at Hightower's city)
So, the children saw the half-giants as their new/old foe. Once again, the children of the forest saw their own existence in peril, but they needed a harsh method and used their magic (sing) to create or call upon the sea and the deep sea creatures do defeat the half-giants. So they did. (so the deep sea creature already existed, maybe?)
Meanwhile, the children of the forest also teaches some men (Valyrian ppl) the knowledge of ancient magic and how to tame a dragon...(?)
Much later on history, a more sophisticated generation of men but nonetheless warmongers called, the Andals, not only started to wage war against the first men, but as soon as they found out about the existence of the children of the forest, they started to hunt them down, fiercely (saw them as unnatural and obscure beings). For the children, this is a huge betrayal from the race of men and a break of the blood pact, so they used their magic/song like they did before against the half-giants, but this time, they call upon the eternal winter and the White walkers.
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This theory could also suggest that the Targaryen tradition incest is a purposeful measure by the singers in order to keep the line self-contained and easier to eventually dispose of when it’s time to tie up those loose ends.
But only mostly the ruling family was incestual, the other targaryans not destined to rule were married off to other families. Not to mention the plethora of bastards they made.
Probably the best theories I've heard are on this channel. I feel like I now know the secrets. I've always felt everything is orchestrated behind the scenes by the Children and their Greenseers (not without mistakes of course), but never knew enough information to explain everything, until now haha. Even Euron Greyjoy I think is being manipulated by Bloodraven, in order to bring down the Wall (using the Horn of Winter at Oldtown) for the WW to come so that the Ice & Fire will destroy each other.
Excellent!
I also think that Aegon was lured to destroy Harrenhal by the CotF. Harrenhal was a sort of afront to the greenmen, built right next to their HQ. But I think that again, an expected pact was broken, where the Targaryens were expected to rule over men as sort of proxies to the CotF, who wanted to bring them under the worship of the old gods. We have Jacaerys + Sara Snow which brought the "pact of ice and fire", then Duncan the Small + Jenny of Oldstones, then Rhaegar + Lyanna, and maybe eventually Jon + Daenerys. So twice the CotF may have sought to empower men with magic with which they would rule over mankind, once with ice and once with fire, and both times it backfired, as now it is likely that the red priests will champion Daenerys to destroy not only the Others but the weirwood too. The Doom of Valyria, like the destruction of Hardhome, I suspect was due to mankind researching magic. The CotF would want to prevent men from mastering magic, so they brought them down twice.
It’s extremely likely ASoIaF is a post apocalyptic sci-fi setting masquerading as a fantasy setting.
I’m very certain that this “magic” was nuclear weaponry. The “cursed” land is radiation. It’s why “any man who sets eyes on the shores of Valyria is doomed.” Because to be that close will have one radiation poisoned.
That's why they chose Bran.
Pretty sure it was the Children who also shattered the step stones
love this
I wish we had such genuine and dedicated people like you running the seasons 5-8 of the GOT TV Series
Man, I feel such a sense of loss, watching this video and thinking about the human hubris that led to the lost (glorious) potential of the TV series
:(
The Last Hero defeated the Others because he got a hold of the 'One Ring.' Sauron manipulated the Others and Targayrans through the Children of the Forest by his use skinchanging and forging. He forged dragonglass in the fires of Mt. Doom.
Really like this theory and how it would lead to the conclusion. I think nettles being a children of the forest also makes a lot of sense with this theory.
Lack of views on this video is sad , this is much polished , grounded and well thoughtout and less tin-foily than some of preston jacobs vids ( love you preston , but sometimes you go full alex jones )
The Valyrians are a genetic cross breed of wyverns, firewyrms, and 'dragons.' Or rather, dragons are a blood ritual/genetic engineering cross breed between firewyrms, and wyverns, and humans in order for the produces creature to bound to those humans with the same 'blood' (genetic/blood magic imbued).
Thus, they aren't really taming them; they are literally seen as the 'same' species due to having the same blood, which is why only those with the blood of the dragon can bond with, and ride, a dragon
You just cracked the code! Everything make a lot of sense. It also ties well with Preston Jacob's theories and LmL's
Some of Preston's vids are good. He's a little full of himself though and gets stuck on his theories
He's still stuck in R plus L not being J even though GRRM pretty much confirmed it multiple times
Love David, LmL
I've always wondered if ancient people of the forest were doing crazy magic and it all went to crap turning the whole Eastern region pretty much unlivable
I haven't heard this theory anywhere but I personally subscribe to the idea that the Deep Ones tamed Sea Dragons similarly to the Valyrians and that the oily black stone is their version of fused stone. Not enough information on any of this to confirm but just a gut feeling I've gotten over the years.
It seems like in the world of ice and fire, the magic is elemental; Fire, Earth, Water and Spirit/Air. All magic is combination of these. The children could use all 4 elements. Maybe I've been watching too much Aang 😁
This theory is amazing, still Yeen, Carcossa and nearby cities and overall K´Datn seems to be strikingly something apart from this highly reasonable and well constructed theory which connects and solves so well for all a lot of eerie mystery dark themes throught the Song of Ice and Fire universe. What else could be stated from Sothoryos, Ulthos, the unknown endings of Essos and even northernmost Westeros?
20:00 I think you could have better putted in a different way: Because the children's created white walkers and seeked to balance the song of ice, they taught the valyrians their arts of magic and dragon taming, and then went back to the shadow when they felt they done enough.
unreal breakdown. The facts and correlations are mind boggling once you see them lined up beside each other. My head was spinning watching this!
Cheers man thnks for the great research
I don't think the children/singers created the Valyrians. I think the Valyrians are people. But the children/singers could have somehow brought forth the dragons.
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LmL quaking in his boots rn
The children didn't create "the others" but they did create the White Walkers. I think the children are actually the villians of the story and are determined to wipe out humans in an attempt to save themselves.
The fact that all the remaining children are stuck North of the wall may signify a pact between the Others and The Starks. I'd also guess that the Others and the Starks are bound by blood, magic, and oath. I'd also bet that the tale of Azora Hai was greatly exaggerated and the real reason for the end of the "long night" has something to do with a pact made between the others and the Starks. When you take into consideration that nothing magical can cross the wall, which is WHY the children can't cross it and the fact things become a bit clearer. The children are prisoners of the others in an attempt to contain their evil.
The Starks of Winterfell are a last line of defense to contain the Children and so long as thier is always a living "Stark in Winterfell" the magic of the pact is held together. Once Winterfell was empty of Starks is when the pact started to fall apart and the magic started failing which is why Danerys Dragons were able to cross.
You miss wyrms were in valyria before the valyrians acquired dragons. They probably just bred dragons from wyrms and learned to tame them with aide of the children.
One thing I'd say about the last valyrians dying is that house celtigar and house velaryon would also have to be wiped out *cough cough cersei*
No mention of light bringer? I guess the implication is that light bringer was the first Valyrian steel sword. I think Dawn, the sword of house dayne, is light bringer. The azor ahai prophecy is too prevalent to not have an element of truth in my opinion.
Love the video, several new perspectives I hadn’t heard before
In Essos they talk about a hero with a red sword, slaying the darkness, leading the virtuous into battle to bring back the day.
In Westeros, they talk about the Last Hero with the dragonsteel sword, slaying the Others, leading the first man of the Night's Watch into the battle of the Dawn.
With that, you can clearly see that the hero from the Asshai legend was in fact the Last Hero, so the hero that R'hllorist claim to be their god's champion, Azor Ahai is in fact the Last Hero.
In the first book, Old Nan tell us that the Last Hero was looking for the help of the Children and their magic, he was chased by the Others and when he faced them, his sword broke (like we've seen in the prologue, the Others' blades are so cold they can shatter steel). The tale stop here but Bran remembered that the Children will help him.
In the second book, Saladhor Saan tell Davos that "Azor Ahai" needed a special sword to oppose the "darkness" (the Others were only in Westeros, in visions they appear as "darkness" which is why the Essosis legend are about a hero fighting the darkness). That's the Last Hero who needs a special sword to deal with the Others since their blade can shatter steel. So with the help of the Children (blood sacrifice, spells), they make that magical sword...
Fourth book, Sam says he found tales about the Last Hero slaying the Others with a "dragonsteel" sword, a weapon that could kill the Others and we can guess that it can stand against their cold blades. What is the only thing that can kill an Other that we've seen so far? Obsidian which is also call... "dragonglass", a volcanic glass that can generate fire, that can burn without deteriorating, that can kill an Other, melting him...
So a dragonsteel sword would be a sword that can burn, preventing the cold blades of the Others to freeze it and shatter it, it would be a blade that could kill an Other, melting him...
In the fifth book, Jon read about Lightbringer, a sword that can burn and when it stabb a "demon", he melt....
Lightbringer is the name given to the dragonsteel sword.
Dragonsteel is a magical steel with fire magic and made with a blood sacrifice.
Valyria sorcery is rooted in fire and blood magic. They produced a magical steel, it's heavily implied that it's made with blood sacrifice.
The Others are the ice, they have the blade of ice and the Dragonlords are the fire, they have the blades of fire...
And like presented in that theory, the Children are the ones who knew the magic to make dragonsteel and they most likely taught the Valyrians how to make it.
So we can expect in the books to see a Valyrian steel reacting against an Others' blade, the VS blade will start to generate heat to counter the frost just like the dragonglass did.
In the tv show we can see that VS blades did the same thing that dragonglass, it killed the Others and the blades wouldn't shatter against the Others' weapons. They just remove the burning part of the obsidian (and the Others melting) and therefore, of the VS but it worked the same.
I believe those from TGEOTD taught the Valyrians. As there is evidence of expansion throughout the known world.
House of the Dragon kinda confirm the theory, if that thing of Aegon conquering westeros because of a dream that told him to unify against "the darkness" reveals itself to be something from the books that have not been reveal yet, a possibility that seems to be quite feasible.
I think it was in ashai that Melisandre learnt to use dark magic, and give birth to shadow creatures. Because that's non of R'lhor methods.
My theory is that Melisandre is actually Elissa Farman... If you know her story, she ran from Westeros and stole 3 dragon eggs and was never seen again.. except Corlys Velaryon said that her ship was last seen going to Ashai, the shadowland...
My theory is that MELISANDRE (ELISSA+ANDREW=ELISSANDREW) went to Ashai and learned the dark magic of shadows , that's why she can give birth to shadows (Stannis). After that, she went from Ashai to Essos and that's how Daenarys eggs were in Essos, those 3 dragon eggs are the dragon eggs that Elissa stole in the first place, then Elissa(Melisandre) gave herself to R'lhor and became a red priest.
That's my theory, when she had to make a new name for her she mixed Elissa and Andrew and got Melisandre.
What do you think? Trust me, search the story of Ashai, Elissa and Melisandre
Cool theory, but I got one question, how the hell does a skeleton stay connected while hanging upsidedown!?
This is more of a question for George & the story as a whole, but if what Bran saw in the cave was just a dead upside-down dragon or giant bat or whatever, then there's no way that that should be a thing, lol
It's probably just an oversight by George, but if not, then there's some crazy Skyrim type necromancy going on in that cave!
It’s easy to find some Tolkien similarities where everything began with a song. But also the songs are referring to the swords. John snow is ice and fire and I think he will wield Ned starts ice sword and the Targaryen dagger, not arya
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I honestly think the Rohynar were a part of the story, but the singers made the Valyrian, particularly the Targaryens, in order to defeat the Night King. I think it must have been them who put the ability to have dragon visions in the Targaryen line, just as green-seers have the sight. They could even have put the vision into Daneays' mind, and therefore Aegon the Conqueror's mind and gave him a reason to fly to and conquer Westeros. Maybe the children of The Shadow in Asshai saw what was to come in Westeros, and so they started their song of Fire well before the children in Westeros started their song of Ice.
Another great deep dive!
My only problem with this one is not being able to place a connection between the Shadow People (the supposed branch of the Singers) and the Rhoynar. They just seem to be too far off.
And while it makes sense for the Rhoynar to have taught the Valyrians the art of forging steel, I just don't see how the Singers could have influenced the Rhoynish and transported a sword to the Last Hero.
I think the Rhoynar and their ironworking are their own thing; the Children probably went there because they had iron, but would have went to wherever had iron anyways.
He mentioned that the Rhoynar worshiped the river gods, and that the Children have a lot of rituals involving rivers as well. If the extremes of the Children's power are fire and ice, their core power seems to be water, seeing as how their most powerful singular act we've seen so far was the Hammer of the Waters.
If you watched his other videos, he argues that the Long Night was triggered by the Andal invasion, so the knowledge of steel was in Westeros during the Long Night.
So, the question as to how humans are able to develop Greenlight has been brought up. I believe it has something to do with Cannibalism, or whatever the equivalent is for when a human devours a Child of the Forest.
And that is why the Children created the Cold Shadows, the Others to Mankind, to devour humans as humans devoured them.
where would the empire of the dawn or the golden empire fit in here? they didnt have dragons or know about them? did they know about the children? why would the children need the valyrians when the GE was older and powerful?
Personally i dont think this is far fetched i also thought the Children of the Forest taught the Valyrians how to tame dragons.
The Weirwood Network extended to across Westeros and Essos. Before the continent's where separated so it not a great leap to think some of the Children where isolated amd cut off from the Westeros Weirwood network when the land was collapsed to separate them.
My thoughts where that the Children of the Forest in Essos where the ones that sided with the first men after the creation of the Whitewalkers. And this was part of why the children collapsed the landmass. I think the creation of the whitewalkers was part of why they taught the Valyrians how to control dragons. And that the reason Essos saw them as demons was because they altered the Valyrians to have dragon Blood. I also think that these fire children are behind the religion on the fire God. And the fact that they say hes good and sided with men to fight against the whitewalkers in the beginning of time leads me to think the Children on both continent's fell out due to a rift on opinions towards the first men.
I also think that the Fire Children sent the Targaryans a vision of the Doom to ensure they survived and where in Westeros ready for The Song of Ice and Fire.
I think that just like the Westeros Ice Children formed the religion of the Old Gods and the Weirwoods. The Fire Children Formed the Religion of the Fire God to ensure some would stay faithful to the Song of Ice and Fire. To ensure the Whitewalkers and the Valyrians wouldn't get out of control again. The Children being begind fire God is why all the priestesses of (i forget him name) the fire god believe everyone with Targaryan blood, Stanis, Deneares and John Snow are Azura High Reborn. The same for the wierwoods and the Starks. The Fire Children sent the Targaryans for the song to Westeros and the Ice Children guided the Starks.
I think that the reason the Fire God is Good and the Whitewalkers evil is because the children fell out. Fire sided with the first men, Ice sided against like the Fire Gods religion says. The fire children accept their extinction and are grooming people to take over the world from them and Ice resents it but both are going to die in the song of ice and fire.
The reason i think the fire and Ice Children fell out is because the wierwood network doesn't extend to Essos they have no interaction with eachother. You would think the Greenseers would stay in contact with the wierwoods of Essos but they dont. And i dont think this has anything to do with the distance. Theres a great distance between wierwoods in Westeros (due to the first men cutting them down) yet the Ice Greenseers can still communicate with them. The disconnect is likly down to a difference in opinion and thats why they dont communicate but they can both predict the future so they both know what the other is up to.
But thats just my opinion its completely possible they are still working together to restore the balance, one manipulating events in Westeros one manipulating events in Essos.
Glad you're making videos again. Good stuff.
This video is amazing! Keep up the great work!
The children GIVE VALYRIAN steel of LAST HERO? However you speak the Valyrian were starting to use IRON!!! HAUAHAUHAUH NOSENSE!
If your Song of Ice and Fire interpretation is used, it fits quite well with a "tragic hero" ending for Dany where she forsakes the pursuit of the throne for the bigger threat in North, intending to return to claim it, but dying on the field of battle against the others, just as the Children intended. If that's the case it raises some interesting "Stallion Who Mounts the World" issues... either Rhaego is dead and Dany in essence "usurped" the role that the Children had intended for him (which comes with the collateral benefit of a "Breaker of Chains", something that is mutually exclusive with being a "Stallion who Mounts the World"), or he is alive, and Jorah lied to Dany all along, and he still has a role to play. Or, and this is my favorite, the Children themselves killed Rhaego via Mirri because they realized he too would be an overpowered superweapon, perhaps powerful enough to beat the Others and go on to mount the world anyhow.
I love this video,, do not agree about the ghost grass but I like your take on it. The bat skeletons being dragon skeletons and all that theory connecting is epic though!
I was watching the video and suddenly realized it has less than 10k views. Very underrated
Well Ice being The Others and Fire being represented by the dragons or Targaryens (Danaeris) is probably no brainer so this is stacking up. And Children of the Forest were active at the East (as well and Deep ones). It could as well be Game of Thrones aka war between children of the West and East that got out of both hands.
I mean with this theory which makes quite a lot of sense, it also leaves the possibility that since dragons have originated from two areas. One being the shadow and since the shadowlands are so large and so dark it’s possible that dragons still exist there even after the dance of dragons. I mean after all we never found out where Grey ghost, Sheepstealer, and Cannibal came from. Because if they originated from Westeros there would be more than the 3 of them. Also coincidentally all of their colors are either darker shades or white/gray in Grey Ghosts case, this would make sense if they originated from the Shadowlands as animals tend to use the colors around them to camouflage with their surroundings. So a darker color like black and brown, or a grey/white tends to take in the colors around it and is also very present in environments that tend to lack a lot of sunlight.
HBO needs to make another story about the shadow people and dark magic, including the faceless men. There is alot to explore. Please HBO! =D
I can see the "song" reference of G.R.R Martin from J.R.R Tolkien's song of the valars and how they created Arda.
Now that you lay it out?n why wouldnt there be different groups of the Children? There are always different versions of elves in fantasy. And while Westeros had their winter/forest elves, Essos had their summer/fire elves. And unlike in westeros, they managed to share more knowledge with the humans they encountered, but they were soon killed off.
At first, I thought you grasping at straws… But now i think you’re on to something!!
It might also be that I’m so desperate for more ASOIAF that any story relating to it sounds good to me.
George said some of the theorists are spot on….i think you’re on of them.
Just be aware; he also said that now he is not sure whether to change his plan for how the story will play out.
So the children lived in the shadow, they created the deep ones during the song of water and earth to fight the various giant species, then they created the others during song of iron and bronze to defend themselves from the andals, then they created dragon magic during the song of ice and fire to save themselves from their other run away creations?
killing of the Dragons is bullshit without the riders they would not play a role in the song! Valerians are gone the children are gone.. no more dragon riders!
if the bloodstone causing the others to wake up how can they fight until the north of westeros? when all the man still in the dawn continent? can anyone explain the timeline? if the hero fighting the second long night? who defeated the first long night?
This confirm my theory, the children or the Forest and Giants are original from Asshai, how they got to Westeros i don not know.
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especially the first half is very good with many interesting points
You know what else is like a corpse city? The crypts of winterfell.
Dude why r u soo underrated?? The show runner should've watched this and give us the ending we deserved!!
So the Great Empire never existed?
Shadow people? Like the Velaryons in the show?
I really enjoyed the video and theory. This just make so much sense that it would play out in the books
The area near Santorini is sometimes called the Door to the Aegean. The references to doors might be like that.
~ Very, very interesting! ~
They were shepherds, they tamed dragons the same way nettles did.
This is a new one to me... I kinda like the theory it makes sense.
They say there was children of the forest in Essos
this is really good except the glass candle thing . the targaryens were not anywhere near the most prestigious of dragon lords, and its very possible the daughter of a potentially patriarchical society had little to no experience with them, and theres no indication they present as anything different than a normal dream as far as i remember ? all im saying is both are very much possible imo
what i mean is, the 17th century earl of orkney, though an earl, possibly has little idea what the kings jewels look like and what function his sceptre serves, and those chances for his daughter are even greater. i know not a perfect analogy, but the greatest evil in asoiaf seems to be either the proliferation or hiding of knowledge, and we really dont know who knows what until we do, and even then its often times dubius
Come to dark side bran - blood raven probably
All this singing reminds me of the Ainulindale
17:39 that would explain why George wanted to make valarians black initially, and Corlys would be more accurate amusingly. to bad he couldn't do it because making black slavers would have been to controversial. I understand why he didn't go with his initial idea.
Where on earth did you hear that? He says he doesn't want tropes but story is full of them and fall, fair, white blonde haired super people is an old trope. Like Elric of Melbibone?!?!
Joder, qué coñazo de vídeo!
Nice, one of, if not the best theory i've heard so far👍
Great videos. Hope theres more to come!
im in love with your videos
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Podrick is song of ice and fire
This video slapped so much that as soon as it finished i subscribed to your channel. Been a ASoIAF fan for years and never heard the Valyrian Steel= song of fire. Mind blown and completely sold!
If thdy just needed dragon swords why help the Valyrians with everything else, including the Dragons 🤨🤷♂️
Sorry, but It makes little sense to me.
Might it be that it could work the other way around too? since the children wouldve encountered what would be future valyria first going west. What if the they helped the sheep farmers on the hills with the dangerous fire worms native to their home by teaching them forms of fire magic. The children moved on to westeros, heard of the atrocities the valyrians caused with their dragons and fire magic, they sung their sad song, creating the white walkers. They lost control of the whole situation which culminated in the long night
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Wow!!
Plot twist: those shadow people were actually Hiccup Haddock and his descendants
ghost grass is snow
it was the melniboneans, and then went back to the young kingdoms. Althoug maybe elric had something with one valyrian lady... which would explain their white hair.
I love your deep dive videos, I hope you and Preston Jacobs can collab at some point.
fantastic channel