The Best Climbing Performances in Pro Cycling 2022 | Jonas Vingegaard, Tadej Pogacar, Tour de France
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- Lanterne Rouge presents the final top 10 list of the best climbing performances in pro cycling in 2022, featuring Jonas Vingegaard, Tadej Pogacar, Remco Evenepoel, the Tour de France amongst others.
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LR, any chance you could edit some great, long climbs into 30, 45 and 60 minute segments? I'd watch those as I ride my home trainer during the winter here in the North.
this video massively understates the importance of the glorious Tour of Norway
That race has such a glorious scenic route too.
That VWA pull on Hautacam tho
Plus spandelles
Vout wan Aert
Aout wan Vert
@@WiardiVK nice pick-up
Benji's climb up that berg next to his house should be on the honorable mentions
for me it was Wout van Aert on Etappe 18 TdF, pacing and riding until his eyes went dark (also: literally). He dug so deep that even Pog couldnt follow at Hautacam.
Yup, this guy went in some kind of otherworldly trance. Possibly had an out of body experience
THIS and his performance on stage 8 of paris-nice, saving the yellow jersey for roglic. He did it both times in the green jersey too!
Yeah the EPO was strong
He dug or drug? 😅
I guess you gave yourself away... your belgian then 🤣
I was on the granon for stage 11, and the atmosphere and amazement when it was vingegaard not pogacar coming round the corner first was incredible!
YAll don’t have phones? 😅
No reception up there?
@@telmolicious there’s tens of thousands of people on one mountain all trying to use mobile data so it didn’t really work for anyone
@@danmoody6756 Damn.. were y’all really shocked though?
I remember thinking that Jonas would have the edge in the highest mountains and reading on the day that Andy Schleck had him as the favorite on the day.
@@telmolicious it’s true I had suspected that jonas might do well and was hoping he would win a stage but pogacar looked untouched in every race he had been in so to see him distanced was still a surprise!!
@@danmoody6756 To me the most surprising thing was Jonas staying with Pog on the shorter, steeper climbs.
Once I saw that I got even more confident on the outcome.
In 2021 Jonas only lost time in the early part of the race.
After that Pog couldn’t distance him.. and that was a Jonas joining the Tour as a “substitute”.
A year later as a co captain and looking stronger in the mountains thaN Roglic in the Dauphine I felt more confident but of course u never know.
Notification gang reporting for duty. Bedroom shot and all these hot watts from LR making me feel steamy in the morning.
WVA’s performance and climb on the Hautacam stage was superhuman if not a pure climbing top 10.
100% correct. There is nothing that man cannot do on a bike.
It was amazing for a rider like him, but his w/kg weren't at all in the ball park for a top 10 climbing list, he really benefitted a lot from the time a break gets.
I was a bit bummed JV chased after him, he'd likely have won that stage and by doing so even was even likely to take the mountain jersey. Imagine that, someone taking the sprint and mountain jersey as well as 4 stage wins, several 2nd places, a few days in yellow and winning the tour with another teammate, would have been nearly unbelievable.
@@MDP1702 Of course you are right about the entire climb but I'm guessing no one put out the watts he did over 2 minutes at the end of a mountain stage like that on top of the effort of being in the break all day. I was rooting for him to win too but he did the work for Jonas and Jonas paid him back by finishing it as he should have.
@@MDP1702 His watts would have been outrageous though. It's a shame heavier guys don't get as much credit.
@@MDP1702 Yeah.. but the Tours a but more important, ha? 😅
Ands Jonas paid him back by slowing down on the TT.
Best climbing performance for me this year was Amamezasu Pass by Hanno, Japan, where I (female, 49 years, cycling so far mostly in the flats of the Netherlands, overweight at about 90 kg) dropped easily from my wheel a 30 year old guy. In Vingegaard style I waited for him (and the other 2 people of our ride) on the top ;-)
nice
regardless of how many strong pogi is this TDF Jonas was completely unbeatable on the hardest climbs. Insane performance
This just shows how incredible Jonas was this year. Pog was never able to win this years edition of TDF. Perhaps next year, it really just comes down to whoever is in their best form.
And the best team ! If TJV brings an even stronger team next year and UAE brings a stronger team it's going to be amazing to watch. Hopefully less covid abandons too.
Premoz' was Jonas's Superman...Without the horrible luck, Premoz' Would win almost every race he enters. A TRUE WARRIORS!
@@dennisdoucette9373 Primoz isn't better than Jonas and Pog anymore. He missed his opportunities, and now fresh contenders have entered the scene. Primoz is brilliant and he still is, but he won't win the TDF unless Pog and Jonas are both out.
@@nielshaug30 I think he can win if things go right, especially with team tactics. If Pog focuses more on Jonas (which isn't unlikely after this year), Roglic might benefit from it. And I am not sure Vingegaard would threaten Roglic winning (maybe even gifting it?), considering their dynamics. Especially with a health Rog and Jonas, they could potentially dominate this years tour securing places 1 and 2 imo and then deciding who takes it.
@@MDP1702 if they get 1 2 then they will decide it by whoever is the strongest. Mano el mano. No gifting. They are competitors after all. I think it will be decided on the TT's though, where Jonas has proven to be the strongest.
To all of you that are officially on their indoor trainers. Best training to you and may you reach all your performance goals. Cheers.
Thanks! The Same for yourself!
Really enjoying your off season content, thanks!
100% this, it has been great the last few weeks
Pog maybe is the best rider of the world but Vingegard is just there too, now you see is not only Jumbo power, Vingegard is something special
Your race retrospectives with video from the race are a gift. Thank you, keep up the good work!
Good to see the videos again , considering how busy you have been .
I've been waiting for this one. Love these top 10 climbing episodes. Actually basically any top 10 is super cool
Love these videos 😍😍
WVA in the Tour was just phenomenal
I think the tour stage 7 over La Planche des Belles Filles was one of the most intense and entertaining climbs of the year, deserves at least honorable mention
jonas is a monster
Great video quality Patrick!!
The Roglic climb on the queens stage at Paris Nice was amazing.
Don’t you mean Wout’s climb?
@@orangeorphan No, Roglic won the stage.
@@orangeorphan th-cam.com/video/3DW65D7UvxU/w-d-xo.html
@@orangeorphan He means stage 7 col du turini, not stage 8 Nice.
What about Benji’s climbing performances on Zwift? I feel like LR should have a video breaking them down…
Great vid as always! Ciao
Vauuu...on Hautacam the last 4km+ was faster the Riis' 1996 performance... (after the hard tempo on the Spandelles) - Jonas was amazing this year
Vingegaard is much much smaller and better suited for the climb. Riis not so much (mr 60 pct lol)
Great vid keep it up
The perfect video to watch during a Zwift zone 2 session.
makes you pick you cadence up about 5-10 rpm, right? :D
@@Materazzi73 just watching this puts my HR into the red! Never thought I'd say this, but thank goodness for ERG mode, right?
@@kelldub78 Yeah, could never stay in zone 2 the entire ride without it!
love your videos! hope too see Jonas win again!
Outstanding quality technical sports channel.
I love your channel!
God vid can’t wait for 2023
2024 TDF with Remco vs Pogacar and Vingegaard is gonna be epic.
Mark Padun - one (or twice) a year he´s there !
LR, any chance you could edit some great, long climbs into 30, 45 and 60 minute segments? I'd watch those as I ride my home trainer during the winter here in the North.
Hi LT, love your videos. You posted a video almost two years ago, the best climbing performances ever, with Lance up Ventoux and Riis up Hautacam. I think the ASO removed it or something. Can you repost it again please?
Great Vid as always 👍🏻, but:
Am I the only one who loves the performance of Mikkel Bjerg?
The fact Bjerg literally translates to mountain in danish makes it so much better
@@hansjakobappel3716 in german: Berg = Mountain
#1 is absolutely correct. And as a Team effort, WvA and JV just put on a masterclass of WIN
I thought it would have been funny if you included Van Der Poel on that stage to Lavarone up Monte Rovere 😂
Right now Jonas is the best climber in the world.
Obviously
Remco on the goat track...
I see what you did there 👀
I feel incredibly fortunate to have been at 2 of the stages included in this video 😅
Being a Dane 🇩🇰 i cannot wait for next years Tour De France 😭 i want’t too see it now !
Hopefully Jonas and Tadej will be in the shape of their life, so we can get an epic battle again, but of course with a Danish victory at the end 😉
Remco I think will be a big contender as well. And also Bernal
What about Paris-Nice stage 8? Simon Yates dropped the hammer on Roglic and Wout had to carry him to the line so save GC. 5 categorized climbs in the cold rain and Yates absolutely owned the day. Think of Jumbo getting beat by BikeExchange when they brought LaPorte, Roglic, Wout, and Dennis - it makes the Tour efforts look easy.
It was the brother Simon
@@HugoFSantos good point lol
Yeah, problem was that JV themselves made that stage hard for no real reason, wittling down their riders and setting up the opposition. This is no problem if Roglic was the strongest that day, but you never know for sure as that stage showed.
like it or not we had to wait 30 years to get a racer that is brining fans to the edges as in the times of great Marco Pantani, pogacar is the man to watch as he entertains and attacks on all climbs. This is what makes cycling special.
Jonas ❤ the silent killer 👌
Remco definitely had a season numbers also don't lie.
clear example of clean riders and clean sport :)
my kom on the weekend was pretty good
I don't care what anyone says, 2022 was the best TDF in history. I've seen since 1980
oh Vinge ♥
No Volta a Portugal ?? Damn ... i came here just to watch it :D
you just gotta believe and anything is possible :)
No Pidcock??? Is there a best descent of 2022 video? He’s gotta win that surely.
Missed Woods 7.75 for 7 minutes. Give us some Canadian love!!
100% agreed
when I heard the phrase "faster than Bjarne Riis" my doping alarm went uuiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
In LR we trust
I'm just here waiting for the Remgoat 6.5 for 35 performance in 2023. Mark my words people.
@fensterfred 1) 2023 tour doesn't have really big climbs with relatively steep gradients. Giro does. Giro in 2023 is like Tour 2022.
2) If you can do 6.5 for 30 you can probably do it for 35.
@fensterfred He doesn't go to the giro because he wants to avoid the tour (that also was kept as an option), but because he likes to do the giro. There are also other reasons like team (not strong enough climbing squad), planning (worlds 2 weeks after tour), route (lots of TT km's in giro, not so for tour and 3rd hard week to test himself), potential revanchism after 2021 attempt, maybe scrapping it of the bucket list, ....
VS
TdF just because it is the bigger grand tour in publicity and participation.
@fensterfred Are those valid reasons? Absolutely. He doesn't claim to be next coming of christ in cycling or whatever, nor does he is under the impression that he needs to immediately prove himself against everyone else. Rather he just needs to do what he wants and race the races he wants and are more logical.
The real question is, why don't Pogacar and Vingegaard do the giro, both have already won the tour anyway. It would make more sense for them to do the giro and then after go for Giro and worlds or Vuelta (or both).
Personally that is the problem I have with many people in cycling now, they put the tour on a divine pedestal and act like that is the only GT/thing that counts. You could say "well it is the biggest one with the best competition and publicity", but both of this is exactly because riders make it so, it is a self reinforcing circle: the best riders are supposed to the tour because it is the biggest most competitive and public GT, but by doing so they also keep the tour as such. If Vingegaard and Pogacar had both decided to go to the giro this year, the tour would become the 'overrated' GT this year and the giro by far the hardest and most interesting one.
Imo the reason to go to the tour should never just be "it is the biggest and baddest", if that is the only reason to go, you might want to see if there aren't better reasons to go elsewhere. Only if the other GT's don't have better reasons, you can go to the tour for just that 1 reason.
Granon was more epic. Pogacar was a huge favorite, and he lost the tour on that climb. It's the best stage I've ever seen, and I've been watching since the late 80's. Hautacam, it was Vingegård who could defend - and then attack. It was also an epic stage when first Vingegård almost crashed, and then Pogacar crashed. Pogacar pushed it to the limit, and if he chrash again, Vingegård won't wait for him. That's not my words - but Vingegård's.
Do you know when the Netflix show will come out?
I thought it was something like (late) spring, so probably quite close to the tour when you already get some hype and attention on it.
i know you dont watch cross much, but if you watched the race in dublin today, you might change your mind. wout, pidcock, van der poel (though not in this race), and the rest of the best cross racers swimming their way through mud and snow and towels and RUNNING OUT OF CALORIES in less than 60 minutes?! i dunno man.. you are lissing out if you didnt watch the race in dublin today.
"...very close to the times of Pantani, Indurain, and Riis." I find it interesting that in these days of carbon fiber frames with aerodynamic refinement as well, and advancements in gizmos like power meters and heart-rate monitors being used in training as well as racing, and even some guys using hypobaric chambers, they still aren't able even to match, let alone significantly improve on times. Does that speak to more doping and/or better genes back in the old days, or to the reality that tech advancements haven't made nearly as much performance difference as they have cost differences?
last point dead on
I think it speaks to the more regular use of banned substances in the past. Measurable and scientifically provable improvements have occurred tenfold over the past 20 years, with (debatably) less doping/banned substance use. It seems reasonably obvious to me that they all were just stimmed up to the eyeballs.
@@Gannicius Yup, I concur but also think that the much vaunted and outrageously costly technological improvements have been a great example of the law of diminishing marginal returns. We reached peak technology about 50 years ago, and since then we've been wasting time and resources on improvements that have been hyped to have more value than they really do. All you need to do is make some simple comparisons on a cycling speed-power calculator like Kreuzotter's to see this. Ahhh, but that's one of the keys to continued economic "growth"...making people think they need new and improved stuff all the time.
and that's just a shorter climb (epo helps more on longer climbs). If you compare today's guys to Pantani's best performances they will look like a bunch of amateurs
Altitude tents existed in the 90's, so did altitude training methods. Power and HR meters also existed and power data was used by coaches like Dr. Ferrari. The 6.8kg rule was introduced in 2000 after years of insane, dangerous lightweight builds. Aero bikes don't matter on steep climbs. Almost nothing has advanced massively technologically, that is a red herring. If the numbers are similar now, so is the pharmaceutical enhancement.
New Glasses 🕶️🤓
Brandon McNulty's 6.6w/kg on 25min climb should be in this video.
In faun ardeche?
id love to see a 'retro' TdF, like what ASO-owned Paris-Dakar did a few years ago, so we can see Pog, Rog, Johnny Vinegar, Thomas et al, all riding Pinarello Princes with Campag 9 speed, Colnago C40s with DA7700, and ONCE Giant TCRs. Lets see if they can still do 6.4w/kg for half an hour on a 9kg bike.
The w/kg wouldn't change would they? are you saying the gearing would slow them down? Might just get up the slope a little slower, what am i missing
@@dickmcwienersonIII This is it! Similarly it would have been lovely to see a 60% Riis, riding the latest Cervelo or Colnago. Bike weight and clothing aero was probably a small factor as well. I suppose the times would be slower, but w/kg might well be the same.
What does it mean if these guys improved the watts per kilo ratios of a doped Riijs? Hmmm...
technology
waiting for the 2023 best climbing performance
i know you speak english but its not really understandable sometimes ..... good video`s though! i really appreciate them! ; )
New glasses?
Yessir
Watts going on?
explain the math before the video. I assume you measured the product of time and watts per kilo to determine the best performances?
POGCAR
Wahou, n°1 classified better than Mister 60% in 1996...
In my opinion you should not make any comparaison with cyclists from the past.
I love watching you.
Be careful - your analyses are not comparable to these done in the past.
Take care
Oh man, surely you know the difference between historic and historical.
Not first.
If these guys are outperforming Mr 60%'s best times, that's kind of alarming. It was an entertaining year of racing and no doubt, but if it's doped performances then it's meaningless.
Of course they are doped, nobody does 6,3 W/Kg for 36 minutes at stage 18 of the Tour and after what they had done before that without being doped. Vingegaard almost matched Lance's Hautacam time from 2000 and we all know what was happening in cycling at that time. But it's incredible to watch anyway.
@@leomarim5558 it is, but it’s also depressing. This doping has been going on for way too long. 😖
@@danroberts007 I know, but at the same time is actually healthier for them to do this races with drugs than without it.
Climbing faster than a guy with a hematocrit of 64 is a bit scary, no?
hottest tour ever btw... :) interesting
Needless to say u r a remco fan 😂
All these references to the doping riders. Very suspicious.
Lance Armstrong 1 to 10.
Doesn't include proven cheats... 😂
Stop trying to give this cheat any credit for anything. He ruined the sport in the US. Dustbin of history and good riddance.
Looks like LR and his wife got drafted.
Seeing that jonas comes for riis time for hautacam is lame, i think bjarne did like 500 watts for the last 30 minutes, absurd
The Jumbo team had a heck of a team. UAE has got to bolster that lineup if they want to contend.
First!
First
faster than Riis in 1996 yeah nothing sus about this
i mean riss did 480 watts for 35minutes thats a lot higher than jonas
10 Kg. In difference, better equipment, better diet and training and of course science development. Does make a lot of sense right?!
@@MrPete8118 you forgot to mention that Riis was doped to the absolute maximum that tour
@@MrPete8118 10kg is just absurd to think about.
I know that! But that doesn’t mean that Jonas was doped, as I just tried to explain. You must be ignorant if you can’t tell the difference
Don't mention Riis.
Riis. Bjarne Riis. The bald Eagle from Herning.
Pantani just shouted from the grave: "Lanterne Rouge I respect your opinion, but those climbing efforts against Lance's and mine? Rubbish!"
I know that we all remember the LR video of the greatest roided performances of all time, and that LR deleted it for reasons of capitalism. so where is it? Patrick, my DMs are open. regards.
Jonas doesn't even have the highest watts per kg.. he's just a small small guy
If these numbers are true then cycling is in big trouble
Tadej Pogcar. Patrick you've made a typo, smh my head my guy literally unwatchable
To NOT INCLUDE Pog is just shamefull..
Why bother listing the w/kg numbers when you just assume the riders all weigh 60kg? Might as well just make them up out of thin air. A bit of quick googling reveals quite a disparity between rider weights Remco 61kg, Vine 69kg, Jonas 60kg and Pog 66kg.
Their performances are normalised to the average 60kg rider because riders do different w/kg to go the same speed depending on their weight
And I'm guessing Vine won't be anywhere near that weight in 2023. Keep your eye on the Smiling Assassin
@@The123fiona That was his weight from the Zwift world champs Feb 2022. Could he get lighter? Maybe a little but he'll never be the same weight as guys like Jonas and Remco. Bones are heavy and he's pretty tall by climber standards. Which makes his climbing performance even more impressive to me.
@@LanterneRougeCycling So where are you pulling the watt data from? I'd venture to say that not all these riders publish their race data on Strava? Do you reverse engineer it in that case? Seems like VAM would be a much easier/accurate metric to work with. Also easily backward compatible with pre power meter performances. Maybe I'm missing something.
@@KD_cycling Pinot is around the same height and weighs 63kg (from PCS), Kuss also similar with 61kg (PCS) it is definitely doable for someone with Vine's size to get pretty light. Also pretty sure he might have been able to lose a bit of weight when fully focussing on climbing vs Zwift.
Normalised weight is because they can't be certain of a riders weight at that time and possibly also not their real watts without them posting their data. Normalising data is a pretty standard practice in comparing these numbers and overall these have proven not too far off or even dead on when eventually compared with the actual riders data after they post. Ofcourse for the very heavy riders these normalised numbers might be somewhat more of, but then it isn't generally the case that you look at heavy riders in a situation like this.
Your No 1 choice " faster than Bjarne Riis" ....................ALARM BELLS - ALARM BELLS - ALARM BELLS
This shit makes cycling boring
nice new glasses boss
On the juice 😀
Yeah. Bjarne Riis pulled 6.9 watts over 34.38-34.41 minuts 😄
Didn't he admit to doping/using banned substances during this race?
@@Gannicius oh yes. He toke the decorations of the Jersey to New heights. He was pretty yellow-eyed, when he cross the line 😄
Thumbs down for mention doped performances. Please try to forget the dark age before 2010 in cycling.