The Sega PlayStation: How Sega Almost Partnered With Sony - Retro Bird
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ม.ค. 2022
- Almost everyone knows about Sony's failed partnership with Nintendo, but did you know about Sony's failed partnership with Sega to make a console together? In this video, I cover what lead to to this proposed partnership as well as why it stood a strong chance of actually happening.
Sources that I got my information from:
- "Console Wars" by Blake J. Harris
- mdshock.com/2019/03/18/sega-a...
The Sega PlayStation: How Sega Almost Partnered With Sony - Retro Bird / How Sony Could Have Kept Sega Alive for Longer / Tom Kalinske Almost Saved Sega by Partnering with Sony
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Something important to note: Tom Kalinske was on the record as endorsing the 32x publicly, despite saying he initially thought the 32X was terrible as documented in the book "Console Wars". So, he either changed his mind or was just trying to support his own company's product publicly.
*Games played in this video* : Nights into Dreams (0:01), Final Fantasy Tactics (0:16), Final Fantasy VII (0:33), Sonic & Knuckles (2:19), Revenge of Shinobi (4:34), Virtua Fighter 2 (10:50)
@Rero Bird Fantastic video dude. The only thing I would like to add to the conversation is as awesome Tom Kolinske was, I think his biggest weakness was not understanding good game design. While they looked cool in magazines he is ultimately responsible for pushing the Fmv games on the Sega cd & some of the worst Sega games I ever played like Ghen War & Black Fire. Meanwhile Sega of Japan despite their flaws were master minds behind games like Virtual Fighter, Sega Rally, Daytona USA and even Sonic the hedgehog.
Ring Fit Master I agree. I don't think he was any sort of video game genius. I mean, he barely even knew what a video game was when he first came to Sega. He was more so a master of branding, marketing and business.
Ever hear the saying "funny w/ the sound off"? That's the way I describe your content. I watch once w/ sound and *at least* once again w/o. It's fantastic either way. Keep 'em coming!
It should be noted that the book Console Wars was largely fabricated, as mentioned in the forward of it. The book Service Games (color edition preferred) is a DRASTICALLY better book. In the 20+ years in the game industry CW is probably the worst book I’ve read (Game Over & Masters of Doom are among the best)
- Game programmer
I just looked up Service Games and it looks like a book I'd love to read. Thank you for recommending it. Also, I found most of the information in CW to be confirmed by alternate sources. So, I'm curious to see how Service Games lines up with it. I think the trickiest thing with this kind of stuff is that the people involved can just say whatever they want now. Who knows how accurately they are retelling what actually happened. The author of CW got his information directly from most of the people described in his story. So, did they feed him little lies here and there? Perhaps.
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Really happy to hear that! These are the kinds of comments that make me want to keep trying to make the best videos I can for all of you!
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As a kid, I was like, the only one who liked video games in my family, I literally talked to my window about console wars and stuff. I felt like I was alone and nobody shared my love for games. Years later, I find this channel! And all my issues are solved!
Glad to hear!
Same here. It wasn't until after high school that I was able to find like-minded people to discuss games and the gaming industry with. Decades later, I'm finding people at work that are passionate about retro gaming almost as much as me.
Good on you for trying out content that is a bit different to your usual! It is pretty good. Keep on doing your thing, RB!
Thank you. I really wanted to share this with everyone. I find it to be a fascinating part of video game history.
@@RetroBirdGaming I think you just wanted an excuse to throw a banana at the fence. I needed a laugh this morning. Keep up the good work.
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Thank you for that!
@@RetroBirdGaming You're welcome! You might also want to add more tags to your video to help TH-cam search engine to find your channel.
I personally think Sega of Japan's approach to doubting Sega of America's ideas ultimately signed the death warrant for the company. What a shame...
8:50 had me cracking up 😆
I had my ear buds in listening to this, put my phone down to make a coffee and then you threw a banana up against a fence. As you can imagine, it was pretty unexpected and I almost spilled hot lava down my shirt. Well played sir, well played.
8:53 When the Doom music kicks in LOL.
The Sega Playstation controller is what would have been if they teamed up. Glad they went their separate ways though.
I cant understand how RB doesn't have millions of subscribers. Great content handsome!
The Sega Playstation has a nice ring to it.😎👍
Yeah, Sega and Sony are both four letters and start with an "S" :)
I lost it when you threw that 'naner at the fence with full audio. Interesting topic, I always thought that Sony + Sega would've been unstoppable - not that Sony turned out to be stoppable by themselves, but if they collaborated I always thought that us gamers would get the best of both worlds, a Saturn-PS1 hybrid with excellent 3d and 2d processing. Sega was always an arcade game company at heart and they would've insisted on getting powerful 2d games from the likes of SNK and Capcom into the home. It's funny they never quite could figure out how to do that successfully with their own 3D arcade games. great topic as always. Of course i'm a huuuge fan of 90s Sega and Sony so this would've been awesome for me. Nice Sega PSX controller btw, i've been meaning to get one, thanks for putting it back on my radar.
So I've heard. That was like a decade ago.
And I've never seen a Playstation Controller looking like a Saturn Controller.
The Sega PlayStation could have changed the outcome of the console war. But , hearing your points about how it coulgo wrong or not last long. Kind of makes me rethink that point. However, thinking about the stuff we could have got would be awesome. I would like to live in that timeline.
Or at least some sort of alternate timeline, right? Would be cool to know.
@@RetroBirdGaming yeah, it would be cool to see how things could been different.
Hearing that banana smack against the fence was so freakin satisfying I had to play it back a few times 😂
Throwing fruit at the fence is absolutely killing me. It's so sudden and aggressive. I hope this becomes a running gag!
That would’ve been awesome! I was always jealous of SEGA being a NES kid. SEGA had the BEST arcade games and with Sony being new with arcade perfect ports, that would’ve blown my mind.
I NEED more physical cut away gags from Retro Bird. The timing and grace of that nanner throw... Priceless
Probally one of the best channels on YT ever...
That PlayStation logo on the Saturn controller threw me off there. Also any video that features Final Fantasy Tactics gets a thumbs up from me!
Fence banana broke me, I have no explanation. Respect ✊
I just love your sense of humor and positivity! Keep it up!
Thank you! Glad to hear it's your thing :)
That clip of you throwing a banana at a fence had me busting up laughing!
Lol you nearly broke the fence with that naner throw, that was funny xD
That would've been and amazing console. I loved both of them, and it's interesting to think how the gaming industry would've evolved had this deal gone through, and not just in the home console market but in the portable as well.
That fence wont mess with you again. Made me laugh so hard 😅😆😆
That mega nanner made a pretty good thud against that fence. Glad to see you didn’t let it go to waste 😂👍
#NoNannerLeftBehind
Dude, your 3-act banana story arc was worth the price of admission. Keep up the brilliant story-telling.
I can't ever wait to comment until the question of the video. I don't forsee me having an answer to whatever it will be so I'm here to say WHOOOO RETRO BIRD!! Another great upload!
Tom was the Phil Spencer of the 90s enough said.
I'm not sure if you've done a video talking about gaming in the 80's or 90's vs gaming now. That would be a really cool topic.
Tom definitely doesn’t get the credit he deserves. For bringing Sega to the top of their game in the 90s, they should have listened to him more often. Unfortunately Sega of Japan hated admitting that Sega of America could do anything better than they could.
Sega of America was better at marketing, but Sega of Japan was better at making games.
@@polycube868 very true shame they couldn’t have just worked together. Their ego’s really damaged the company.
I gotta know... Do you use a gimble? Those Nintendo and Sega decal lights shots were silky smooth!
I don't but thank you :)
He’s the retro Bird o yea!
There's just something about that clip of you throwing the banana at the fence 😆😆😆
That nanner throw is the hardest I've laughed in 2022! #wasn't ready
8:53 Nearly took out the fence
The 2d thing was a huge concern. And if the RAM cart expansion didn't happen, well...
As for Nintendo, Sony's deal would have given them full royalties and approval initiative over CD ROM software, making Nintendo a defacto 2nd party on its own hardware. Nintendo screwed up on not reading the fine print. Considering that the renegotiated deal (after Sony and Nintendo were forced to make nice) gave Nintendo the software royalties didn't keep Sony from going it alone in '94, Sony would have split from Nintendo to go at it alone sooner or later anyways.
Great video! Love this channel.
This is your best video in a while. All the jokes and visual gags landed for me.
Retro Bird: "If you can't beat 'em, lose to 'em!" 🤣
Can you imagine the kinda brilliance that could’ve been if Sega joined forces with Sony to create the Sega PlayStation then just imagine the PlayStation logo would’ve had Sonic’s coloration and his games would’ve been better because they’d had the resources to make it happen!!!💙❤️🦔🎮
That Banana Pitch made my day. :)
As I got older I learn a little more about Sega , Sony and Nintendo history every year I missed out on.
I always considered Yu Suzuki to be segas Shigiro Miyamoto.
Ahhh, I can see that too.
I'm glad that Sega and Nintendo kept their distance from Sony back in the day. As much as people point fingers at Microsoft for gobbling up developers, I think Sony would have crushed Sega and Nintendo devs in favor for their own IP.
Sega got destroyed by Sony anyways goofy.
@@mrpopo5097 Sega still owns their own IP.
Wow I get to see a video that's 3 minutes old! What a time. That's basically live tv
I'm not too sure if a Sega/Sony partnership would have worked out mainly for the same reasons it didn't work out with Nintendo. Sony is basically a behemoth of a company and by sharing their trade and incidentally their IP along with it. There is always a risk of the Sega or Nintendo as we knew them just getting absorbed into their corporate structure, hence would live on in name only.
The one thing Sega and Nintendo had in common was that they were the only to dedicated video game companies. The only other brand to be able to make this claim was Atari. By comparison, Sony, Microsoft, NEC (TurboGraphx), Sharp, and Magnavox were all just electronics manufacturers who also made video game consoles.
Not all of these devices were bad, but something they lacked was identity. They had no Mario or Sonic to help sell the system. Even to this day, Sony has no definable mascot and Microsoft Bob isn't selling too many X-Boxes. Somehow, I feel that this aspect of Nintendo or Sega would have died if they had partnered with Sony.
Interesting vid and I had been wondering about about that controller. As a Sega fan, I remember all of the cool things Tom Kalinske did and I'm led to believe a Sega/Sony collab console could have been very good. Especially if the character of Sega games was still present and they had input on some of the hardware decisions (better 2D capabilities).
Thank you for the Tom Kalinske appreciation! I've been a fan of his since the 90s. If Sega of Japan had listened to him, Sega would have entered the 2000s in a MUCH stronger position, even without a Sony partnership. Even if all they did was just a better-handled Saturn launch in the US, it would have improved Sega's position massively.
Looking into the hypothetical future, a Sega/Sony joint would have ended up with Sony taking over either way, I think:
At some point, one of the two partners might have felt they weren't getting the proper share of credit/profits and decided to go it alone again. My money's on Sega of Japan pulling out of the partnership first. Hell hath no fury like a Nakayama scorned. In this timeline, the console wars end the same way, with Sega launching the Dreamcast and losing to the now Sony-only PS2.
But even if the partnership had survived, Sony might have ended up acquiring Sega outright, turning them into Sony's premier in-house studio. It seems like the natural course of action, with Sony producing the hardware and Sega supplying their game design expertise. The console might still have born the Sega branding, but the hardware would be designed by Sony. I could be quite happy with this option. Sega's genius is in their games, as much as I love their consoles.
Hey, thanks for another video. I'm always interested in these kind of stories. Also could you please tell me where you got your light up Nintendo sign?
Sorry for the late response. I got it from eBay. They're always a bunch of cheap ones on there. Don't keep them too close to your games though. I've had issues with fading.
@@RetroBirdGaming No worries. Thanks, I'll look for some!
Awesome video man!
I wish Sega would figure out the whole Sonic 3 and Knuckles thing. As I only got to play that for a few minutes or so back in the day. Would like to see those games show up on the Switch. And would like Sonic CD show up too as I never played that. I don't get why Sega hasn't been releasing these games as that is like Nintendo not releasing Super Mario World or something.
Sonic 3 and Knuckles apparently has some music license issues (supposedly Michael Jackson had a hand in some of the music in the game). Sonic CD is available on a host of platforms, even on smartphone (and it is very playable even with touch screen controls).
There is supposed to be a Sonic Origins collection coming out this year that has these games included.
LMAO that sound when the banana smacks the fence.
Well done on the documentary!
Thank you Travis!
Great video! I laughed so hard I snorted when you showed an example of the deadly banana weapon… What did that fence do to you?!
I’m sure I would have liked to see it, but I’m glad we got what we did. Btw you should from time to time do some What-If videos, since you brought it up. Like, what if they would’ve made a Metroid 64, or a sequel to Super Mario 64 on the N64? What if they made a Donkey Kong Country 4? Just a few ideas for such a topic.
I hope you continue to find reasons to fire apples and bananas at your fence. It’s always both appropriate and hilarious.
Dude, your videos are awesome
I'm glad you explained the Sega Playstation controller eventually. I however, impatient as ever, looked it up as soon as I saw you using it. Excellent video, as always, sir.
Late to the party... somehow missed this video. The banana slam into the fence was unexpected and had me laughing so hard I started coughing. Love it!
I hope someday (when you feel you have enough subscribers to justify it) you have a merch shop. Within the options of merch, you have a hat that says "Get ON My Lawn!"
Oh, that hat's been requested a lot and will probably be available sooner than you think!
@@RetroBirdGaming ooooooh snap. I'm hyped up now. I'm looking forward to it!
I think most people misinterpret the Saturn hardware as a 2D powerhouse that ultimately added some more power due to the upcoming Playstation, adding more 3D capabilities, etc.
But that doesn't seem to make any sense, the industry was overloaded by 2D games and SEGA was in the cutting edge since the 80's, they made "3D" games like Hang-On, Outrun, Thunderblade and others, while Namco released polygonal arcade games before the 90's, other companies did something similar too.
Everybody in the industry knew 3D was the next thing and there's no reason why SEGA would want to make a super 2D console in the mid 90's, SEGA even feared underdogs like the Jaguar and 3DO, both consoles released in 1993, with lots of polygonal games, people don't realize that these American consoles were reasons why the Saturn was rushed to the market, being the upcoming Playstation another menace to SEGA. They really feared not being the first one to release the most powerful home console like they did with the Genesis/Mega Drive, and thought that being the first in 1988/1989 was the main reason why this console hit the top, it was to some extent, but rushing the Saturn isn't different than rushing the Mega Drive in Japan, with 2 mediocre games, Super Thunder Blade and Space Harrier II, and notice that both games simulate 3D gameplay, in the late 80's. What made the Genesis so successful, apart of having only a few good games 2 years after launch, is the SEGA was really the king of the arcades and could back the console up until it hit the jackpot, third parties and themselves releasing hit after hit, the same didn't happen with the Saturn, they dropped it after basically 2 years, and it still managed to get great games in the process.
The hardware is indeed not much elegant and hard to program for, but at that time, there was no standard, the 90's ate experimentation for breakfast, but the Saturn was indeed designed to be a 3D gaming console and there are titles that you can hardly think the Playstation could pull off, Shining Force III, specially scenarios 2 and mainly 3 are 3D games that load complex 3D scenes and effects that would be somewhat possible in the PS, but the loadings would be atrocious. Burning Rangers is really complex, dynamic lighting, particles and other cool effects, transparency, etc.
The PS also pulled great looking games, specially after 1998, which is the same time the Saturn was dead, so developers learned how to handle the hardware for both consoles, and we can only imagine what the Saturn could do until 2000, Shenmue would be cool to see released. The major PS1 downside was the tiny amount of RAM, if Sony kept the I/O port and released some sort of RAM expansion, than it would have arcade conversions like the Saturn did, the PS has even more 2D sprite based games than the Saturn, and a lot being exclusive to it.
In the end, I feel both consoles complement each other, if you were lucky to have both back then, you had the best games to play. The Genesis was the only console I feel SEGA managed to get all the juice it had to give, unfortunately all their other consoles were handcapped for one reason or another, but ultimately, SEGA was their own enemies, making the wrong choices at the wrong time.
Guess what, they released the Game Gear Micro recently, I guess everyone wanted one, right?
Oof! You made a lot of great points. Yu Suzuki has stated that he always wanted to make games 3D, and you just have to look at the titles he made as they bare witness from the start, from Hang On, Space Harrier, After Burner and Outrun, to Virtua Racing, Virtua Fighter, Daytona USA to Ferrari 355 Challenge, Shenmue and Outrun 2, with many others in between.
Sega themselves had Turbo, Buck Rogers: Planet of Zoom and even Zaxxon in the early days trying to make 3D games.
About the Saturn, it was only in the west that they stopped in 98, In Japan Sega was still supporting the console until 2000 or so when they pulled out of the hardware market completely.
Absolutely, even in early 80's they wanted to make their games to have more depth, simulating 3D environments, like those games you mentioned above. It's true the Saturn was supported a few years more in Japan, as was the Dreamcast, but no big titles were released after their demise in the US, aborting the Saturn there and ejaculating the Dreamcast was another bad move, the 128 console could barely put up a fight against the now PS1 juggernaut, the Dreamcast suffered from competing against the last gen, lots of PS1 and PC ports, rarely with enhancements to make costumers care enough. Have you checked Dino Crisis and other PS1 games on the Dreamcast? It made the SEGA console look a stop-gap for the true 128 bit consoles that were sure to come soon. Sure we had Sonic Adventure (which I now consider totally passable, but great for the day), Shenmue and Soul Calibur. But the millions that had the PS1 with the best RPGs, racing, 3D fighting games and many more just had to wait for the upcoming PS2, which also had backwards compatibility with the PS1 and could even play DVDs which was HUGE at the time.
SEGA always kept backwards compatibility up until the Mega Drive, Mark III/Master System could play SG-1000/2000 games and the MD/Gen could play all SMS games, where's the compatibility for the 16-bit console on the Saturn? It had a variant of the 68000CPU inside and a cartridge slot that could easily use an adapter for Mega Drive games like the Power Base for SMS, where's the backwards compatibility for the Saturn on the Dreamcast so they could at least respect their costumers and we could still enjoy last and current gen software?
We needed at least 10 Tom Kalinske clones around the world to save SEGA from themselves.
@@roberto1519 Agreed. The Saturn should have either been natively backwards compatible with the Genesis, or had an adapter. A lot of families back then had to make the decision of trading in the existing console games and hardware to just go through it all over again with the new one, and we know the old consoles never got that much money on trade in. Many wouldn't even bother and hand down the old console to a cousin, nephew etc..
The adapter (although costing you money) was a small incentive in that you could still use the older library with the newer console.
Funny how backwards compatibility was taken more serious after that (it was easier to implement considering the move to disc media, and advent of digital storage).
@@lazarushernandez5827 True, if you're a big company, you need to consider your user base, SEGA basically hadn't any before the MD/GEN and always considered making older consoles compatible with the new one, the Saturn had it all for it to happen, even a cartridge slot, if they had 20~ millions of Genesis owners in the US alone, you're incentivizing them to acquire your new console. Sony made PS1 titles available for PS2, PS3, PSP, PS4 and probably PS5, Nintendo only made it similar to SEGA with their Game Boys, which were great ideas and kept their costumers happy, and like you said, back then, we had to count our beans to even think of jumping to a new console.
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Great video
Neat to see
I knew it! That Sega controller was intentional in previous videos. I actually searched it and there were several versions, although most of them Japan only
Yeah, quite a few different colors. There's even a pretty wild lookin' purple one.
@@RetroBirdGaming yep that color was exactly the one in my mind. Thanks for all your great content!
Amazing video!
Thank you!
Sega should've just released a console by 93 they were really stalling behind losing the customer's faith in the brand by keeping the Genesis in life support instead.
Sega made the bad decision to make Sega Saturn harder to program when multi-processor programming wasn't the norm yet, tools and techniques not developed for it. Clearly Saturn's design was a hiccup from the 32x design where they try to mix 2D sprite tech with 3D tech, as opposed to stand alone 3D tech like Playstation, though the Nintendo 64 did employ 2D and 3D mix where the "2D sprites" were rendered as 3D models.
Playstation did the same as the N64 in that regard, any games that used sprites were done as textured (flat) polygons.
The Saturn was in development before the 32X though, since 1992. The 32X was both conceived and released in 94.
There was 2 paths that could’ve saved Sega, one was to partner with Sony or had FF7 been a Saturn exclusive.
I also prefer that we have two separate consoles instead of Sega and Sony merging. As you stated; I doubt that the system would have done 2D games anywhere nearly as good and we probably wouldn't have gotten the 2D gems we did have. Only if the 2D was as good as the Saturn and the 3D been as good as the PlayStation (combining both libraries of games into one console); that would have been a perfect scenario. But knowing Sony; they would have forced their agenda harder (which is why the industry now is more focused on super realistic games instead of fun 2D games). I often wonder what the industry would have looked like today; if Sega won that generation instead of Sony.
0:25 Next step OS there.
I really enjoyed reading “The Ultimate History of Video Games” and “Console Wars” and it’s seems you may have as well.
It was a real eye opener learning about Nintendo’s iron grip on distribution and what jerks they were to developers and resellers.
You know, that old Genesis snare sample is remarkably similar to the noise of a grown man throwing a banana at a fence
I was wondering what the deal was with that controller
Welp I learned something new today
I kinda wish that did happen cuz Sega might still be here today
Never been a Sega fan but I love learning about their history. Crazy how this all happened.
Idk what a Sega Sony mashup would be like, but I'm imagining Kratos fighting Shadow the Hedgehog now and I think this video is to blame!
Great Discussion RetroBird. What about this. What if we had the Nintendo Playsation 16bit with a cdrom addon. Now consider the 32bit Saturn, a new all powerful console with built in CD-Rom. Everyones loving the Saturn and leaving the 16Bit era behind. The saturns RRP is only 249 Pounds. I think Sega would still have brought out the Dreamcast and to this day would still be a strong contender in the hardware console market. Perhaps Microsoft wouldnt have considered entering the market, and the gamecube never made it past concept design..... Just a thought.
I think in your scenario, the Dreamcast could likely have been delayed a bit; with a successful Saturn there wouldn't be a need to replace it a mere 4-5 years in. This in turn would've have allowed the DC to have a DVD drive, which would have improved its desirability, along with newer(than 1997-98) technology cpu/gpu wise.
Of course if Sony and Nintendo are partnered, there might have been a different machine in the race (from either the N64, the Playstation, Playstation 2 or GameCube). This would be a Nintendo/Sony hybrid, it would undoubtedly use either CD or DVD, so imagine titles like Mario 64, with the storage of disc media for audio, textures, etc.
When ever I watch your videos! I'm always left in wonder how your channel isn't crazy popular. The numbers are respectable but not as high as I think you deserve. Great content! Great research and a brilliant comical edge!
I'm starting a TH-cam channel atm and got some great ideas. I would love to do a collaboration in the future if its possible.
I look forward to the next video, please carry on making this awesome content buddy 😊👌
I agree with you sentiments, Retro Bird: the pair up would have allowed SEGA to do their own thing with more chance of success. Nakayama was a fool not to pair up with Sony for the Mega Drive's sequel.
Tim Berners-Lee is credited as the inventor of the World Wide Web. There would not have been web servers and websites like we know them today, maybe. The internet is basically the final stage of ARPANET. Commercial internet service providers existed before the world wide web.
What is that controller your using in (1:51)
I thought that Sega Playstation controller was a custom made Sega Saturn controller. I wish Sega still made 3rd party controllers cause their controllers were usually pretty good aside from maybe the Dreamcast controller.
I'm glad things turned out the way they did. The Sega America/Japan dichotomy was so toxic, they would've found a way to ruin it anyway. And the PSX is so special to me that whatever the course it took to get here is exactly the right course, IMO.
The Dreamcast is just a darling little console, too, and had there been a Sony/Sega partnership, that crown jewel might never have happened. Maybe we missed out on the coolest joint system ever, but since we don't know anything about it, I don't really feel any regret. Nah, I suspect it would've been a dumpster fire.
Also, I had no idea that Sega PS2 controller existed. Neat! I was definitely intrigued every time it showed up onscreen.
Whats even crazier is we could have had a sega N64 on cdrom format! Iirc SGI went to Tom Kalinske of Sega of Americ and basically had a deal for the saturn, and Kalinske pitched to sega of japan the sgi proposal, but sega japan had their own hardware developped and didnt want anything to do with kalinske’s next gen choice. SGI were devastated and tom told them to go knock on Nintendo’s door, the rest is history!
That nanner throw 🤣
Hey bro i got a video idea for you! I struggled because in my territory theyve implemented a new rating system for videogames so ESRB is no longer here, i wanted my collection to be ESRB only but i cant keep up lol, im sure others dont like games/systems with other rating systems than theirs
“No bananas were not eaten during the making of this video”
Wresting With Gaming did a good video that mentioned this. Pretty sure Sony would have found a way to profit more from the deal and eventually squeeze Sega out or take it over. It sucks that SOJ and SOA were in so much disagreement over the direction of their consoles. Saturn is still my favorite console because of the amazing import games that weren't released here. They really screwed up the chance to redeem themselves by pulling the plug on it to move onto Dreamcast.
that random nanner throw 🤣
*raises hands*
I liked sewer shark lol
Also the banana at fence gag never gets old lmao.
Awesome video... thanks!!
I wouldn't want to see Sega and Sony merging, because it may have meant that Final Fantasy VII would have ended up on the N64 DD, instead of being built for the CD-ROM PS1 (which afforded the developers a lot of space to change the way RPGs could be made).
Actually it would have been more likely that FF7 would have been on the "Sega Playstation" as Square pretty much didn't want anything to do with the N64 carts or DD.
Imagine if the best of both Sega's and Sony's 90's library appeared on one console:
Virtua Fighter
Tekken, heck Virtua Fighter vs Tekken (happened later with Capcom)
Ridge Racer
Daytona USA
Gran Turismo
Panzer Dragoon
Final Fantasy VII
Sega Rally
Wipeout
Tomb Raider
Resident Evil
Nights into Dreams
I don't think the console would have just been the Playstation we got, Sega was big in the Arcade and would have likely had some input into the hardware too (see the feedback given to Silicon Graphics when they were looking to partner with Sega...and eventually went to Nintendo).
Welp! I wished that controller was from something that could have been a Sony/Sega console...
Honestly as a very sincere Saturn fan, I wish I could see what it could have been with Sony's hardware expertise. I think they could have made something better, in an emergent sense.
That banana hitting the fence 😂😂😂😂😂
We also could have gotten the Sega 64.
I love the humor on this channel. Nintendo really screwed up by not partnering with Sony, they handed them an entire demographic of the gaming community in the long run.
I actually like the consoles we got from Sega. The Saturn has internal storage, a built in clock, the ability to boost itself with carts, even memory cartridges that held a lot of saves.
Wait, I had heard that (perhaps erroneously) the 32x was Tom Kalinske's stop gap to prolong the Genesis's life a year or so before the launch of the Saturn, and that SOJ was against it. Hmmm
no you're right. the 32x was something both heads of sega agreed upon. it was one of the few times both us and japanese company presidents saw things the same way.
In the book "Console Wars" he is quoted as saying that he thinks it's a horrible idea when Sega of Japan first shows it to him. Maybe he eventually agreed reluctantly? He didn't have much say by the end of his time at Sega, so I do wonder.
Update: Just looked into it further and found another quote of Tom saying that he believed the Genesis had another year of life in it before the Saturn would release. Sega of Japan disagreed with him, and the 32X was their solution.
@@RetroBirdGaming kalinski was on record as a supporter of the 32x to the point of believing it would outsell the saturn.
Ah, I just found something confirming what you said. He changed his mind after initially hating it. I do wonder if that's just him being a company man more than anything though. I mean, he was the president of Sega of America. What else would he say publicly? His own product sucks? Well, good to know. I knew there'd be something that slipped past me when putting this video together!