RESTORING SOUTH BEND SHAPER Oil Pump Tips
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Please Mr Pete do not cut your videos short! Every bit of this was interesting. It was fascinating to see inside the shaper's main casting and to see the oil pump and how it worked. Cheers, Alan.
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Sorry Mr. Pete , I will not be passing on this video, I shall watch and enjoy all of it. Thank you.
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Sorry Michael I already found it! You’ll have to share with me!
Absolutely love the catalogue photos as ever Mr Pete--and excellent work getting those oil lines to run again!
They can be a huge pain to get working if they become blocked. My father used to pull his hair out when the machinists under him allowed their lathes or milling machines to block up! Not a good day for anyone to be in his workshop if that happened!
April 1956; late spring at the absolute height of the golden age... It doesn't get much better than those days!
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Mr. Petersen, You ,sir, have inspired thousands of people with your videos! It's a shame in today's society that eliminating the shop programs are the first thing the school districts use to compensate for their own lack of fiscal responsibility. It was a sad day when I came home on leave from the Air Force and found they had done that in my home town. Kudos to you and please keep up the good work. You've got to keep doing this because there are lots of us out here that are so willing to learn! Have a great day, Sir
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Sir , I'm a 70 year old machinist with more than halve a century experience I take off my had more than twice in front of you, keep going, you are a real inspiration to any that follow your videos. Thanks a lot.
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Great series Mr. Pete. What a simple but ingenious mechanism...still functioning flawlessly after so many years. Very few machines made today will be able to make that claim. We were once a very great nation
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Hello Jordan you are very lucky to have a grandpa like this one !!
Yep, early Saturday morning, fresh hot coffee, and a Mr. Pete video! IT DON'T GET NO BETTER'N THAT! Good job once again!
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These videos are never to long, actually a bit short, I could listen to you explain and instruct for hours!, Thanks Mr Pete.
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As always "our" Mr Pete keeps us spellbound with yet another gem he is making. Lyle, you have no idea how many people loves you and how you teach us things that can come from no other place. I hope I go before you, cause I want to watch your incredible DIY video's til the day I die.
Praise Jesus brother.
Thank you very much, that means a lot to me
Wonderful video. I just realized, we have watched Jordan grow up on TH-cam. Thank you for your videos.
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Thank you Jordan, good to see you again. And thank you Mr Pete I'm continuing to enjoy this series.
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Never skip great information
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Enjoy seeing the mechanical things in action and how they are made.
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I so enjoy your wit and wisdom. Keep up the good work.
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Consider the pressure relief in several places as a safety device. High pressure spray of oil would be dangerous. That can't happen. Nice. Fyi - one could buy a car for that price of the mill and 1/10 of a brick house. Times change.
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Great video. Very detailed and informative. Thank you. BTW: love the hat!
Thanks for another informative video, Mr Pete. The more of this model shaper that I see, the more " I need this" pangs come over me! Down here in Texas, I haven't seen many shapers. The ones I have seen are huge and in older shops. I've worked in large production shops, and I did see a medium sized shaper in the tool crib where they made jigs and fixtures and made replacement parts for machines. This was back in the middle 60's. Amazing machine, would be very handy in my home shop. Really enjoying this series! Thanks 👌.
Thanks for watching. Yes the small ones are kind of scarce
napa can be one of the best stores around and one of the most frustrating experience it all depends on who is working the counter
Yes, and the last time I was in there the men and women had facial jewelry, lots of tattoos, and a little knowledge. Gone are the old mechanics who could actually help you
Yes, if it isn't on the computer, make, model, and year, you are SOL! I once showed this young "parts man" how to use a Chicago Rawhide cross over book to cross a seal I needed for an antique tractor. He said there was no way they'd have a seal for something that old. After using the book , turns out they had 6 of these on the shelf. He said he wondered what all these books on the shelf were for. Imagine that!!!
@@jameslezak8179 could you hear me rolling me eyes? so annoying to go into any of these stores.
i had a lady tell me they didnt have a part i was looking for. i had bought the same thing before and knew they had it, but she couldnt find it on the computer so it didnt exist. i insisted, until the manager came over and corrected her. Autozone finally gave up trying to find anything for me and now they let me go find my own parts.
Interesting video, as always. And always nice to see a cameo appearance by Jordan. I remember him pouring tin (lead) soldiers when he was young, then he moved up to decoy weights.
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Very interesting "how it works", thanks! Dave in RI
I am restoring a 1912 Oakland 4 cyl. ( later became Pontiac in 1931) ,automobile that has a similar oil pump. The pump has a piston that is .50" diameter with a .25" stroke and displaces .049 cu. in. of oil per stroke. Incidentally that equates to the .049 model airplane engines from the past. The pump supplies one stroke per every 50 revolutions of the crankshaft and pumps oil to small pockets over the main bearings and the troughs for the connecting rods to dip into. The only instrument on the instrument panel is a drip sight glass to indicate oil flow. That seems like an inadequate amount of oil but I bench tested the oil flow when re-building the engine and it is more than enough for the engine, and will overflow the pockets and rod dipping troughs. The engine is only rated 40 HP and is not a very high speed unit. I enjoy all your videos and look forward to every one.
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It's been good to see Jordan grow into a nice young man over the years.
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THANK YOU...for sharing. A great day to you. Watched and enjoyed.
Nice you have oil everywhere. That always helps. Well done.
Hi Randy. I hope you are OK and there are no fires anywhere in your area
@@mrpete222 We are well. We are getting a lot of smoke from a fire that is about 20 miles to the south but slowly creeping in our direction, it is at 250000 acres and only 20% contained.
Tractor supply is a good source for hydraulic oil, sold in gallons or quarts. I found Mobile way oil on Amazon.
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Thank you Mr Pete for another great video. Very interesting to see the oil system in action! You always give us so much information it's an honour to be able to watch your videos that must take so much time and effort to produce.
Thank you very much. Yes it does take a lot of time and effort to I guess
Very detailed explanation of the oil pump.Thank you.
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Extra credit crack’s me up. Once a teacher always a teacher.. good videos teach.
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Great cinematography Mr. Pete
Thank you very much, I sure do try but it doesn’t always turn out that well
Another great instructional video as usual. Jordan' s full beard reminds me of Gen. Jeb Stuart of Civil War fame. Keep 'em coming. They don't get too long for me.
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Very good in-depth description of the oiling mechanism really enjoyed your video 👍
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The man who never sleeps . Good morning sir
Insomnia is a terrible curse!
Maybe u need to try medical marijuana. It's helped me sleep right through high school
Somewhere in Machinery's is a Saybolt to SAE/ISO conversion chart.
At any rate, once you get the weight, Mobil DTC or Shell Tellus are readily available. I get gallon jugs or 5 gal pails of the Mobil from Zoro or MSC.
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I always stay for extra credit. love the close ups ,but some times there too close.
Actually that was just as interesting, if not more so, than an assembly video. Thanks!
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I don't mind "a 20-minute video"... thanks for producing sir.
Thank you. Your videos are never to long. I picked up a Vernon 11 inch shaper this week so any info on shapers is appreciated.
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My 14" Steptoe shaper has full pressure lube system and keeps about 5 psi oil pressure while it is running... I use Walmart bar and chain oil for way oil and I find that the shaper does quite well with it... Cheers; Mike in Louisiana
Chain oil is a good idea
Briggs and stratton 4stroke engine oil is the simler.Or motor cycle engine oil it does not have the friction modifiers in it either.
A lot of British auto gearboxes specify engine oil as it better with bronze parts gear oil eats the bronze away causing pitting. I would say they were not using gear oil because of the brass or bronze parts
Good morning Mr. Pete, Interesting views from the depths of what can't be seen. You should do another video on oils and grease that are used on these machines. That saybolt system is very confusing to me and maybe many others. Now its coffee time.
It’s confusing to me also, and the rest of the world for that matter
@@mrpete222 Being its confusing to you as well I have been doing some research on my own for information. Looks very confusing but I found a chart at the Engineering Toolbox .com. Under the heading of absolute, dynamic and kinematic viscosity. It gives the saybolt of some common liquids. I found that S.A.E. 20 oil is 40 saybolt and S.A. E. 30 is 500 saybolt. I guess this would be a good topic for Keith Rucker and Vintage Machinery to cover?
Lubricating oil: One option is Chainsaw Bar Oil, the oil is relatively low quality, but it includes tacifiers that improve the adhesion to metal surfaces.
That’s a good suggestion
Thanks again mr Pete
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The shaper is really getting into good shape
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That should have been dull as dishwater. However, I found it fascinating- sign of a good teacher!
Tractor supply has non detergent 30 W oil. I thin it a bit with mineral spirits
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Excellent. Very interesting. Thank you for posting
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Thanks once again, sometimes you don't know how long the video will be until you get done,the same can be said when doing a job for time and materials.🤗
I screwed around with an oiler on one of these for days and days to get it to work right
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Thanks Lyle, that was very interesting. Do you ever leave a magnet in the sump of your machines? Stay safe and well :)
Watched it thru. Excellent video!
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Thanks for sharing.
That oil looks pretty thin for gears and ways. The Saybolt spec of 240 corresponds to 20w for engine oil and 80w for gear oil (what I would use (or way oil of similar viscosity, smells better too) but that is JMHO).
I noticed that the young lady demonstrating the vertical mill did not change into her shop shoes.
That’s because she knows men love high heels
When you block off the ways hole and it pumps out of the mounting block as you said “it’s a bypass “ how much pressure does it take to block off I mean as soon as you install the ram will that make it bypass and not get enough oil?
Would an excess of oil pressure between dovetail and ram introduce a degree of drag reducing efficiency and power available for shaping?
Almost all things in the US are bigger than here in the UK....
Except the pint, quart and gallon... We have 20 fluid ounces in the pint rather than 16 in the US..
Thanks for the great edutainment video.
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Skip you performing quadruple by-pass surgery on a SB shaper? For shame. Surprised you didn't do a kero-flush first. It may or may not help, but I would put a good sized rare earth magnet some what close to the pick up to keep potential debris out of those cute little oil lines and the pump housing itself. Thanks Mr. Pete.
1:08 It's a series of tubes!
I have a Circa 1967 MIL4218 SouthBend Vertical Milling Machine (42" Table w/Power Feed [X-Axis] and Hydraulic Power Quill feed)... great little mill. Not-so-little by today's standards, and very heavy.
That sounds like the one I had at the high school I loved it
@@mrpete222 It is a great machine... Managed to pick up a genuine SB Right Angle milling attachment as well. The only difficulty was that I had to make a fixture to mill in the "eyebrows" (Retaining Flats) for the spindle locking screws in modern tooling; now it takes about 10 minutes to setup and mill any 30 taper (CAT30, NMTB30, BT30) to function in a "MM" (Milling Machine)-style spindle taper bore.
Much prefer a 20 minute video over a 5 minute video!
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Did Jordan become a welder?
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Heh, I remember when Jordan was a scrawny little kid. He is now a man to ride the river with. Boy time flies...
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That always drive me crazy on equipment when there wasn’t a decent way to drain the lubricant without making a mess!
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I was surprised you didn't show a Saybolt to SAE conversion chart.
That’s because there isn’t a good one. They all beat around the bush
@@mrpete222 The one I have is very clear IF a person understands the difference in the viscosity nomenclature of motor oil and gear oil. SAE-20 motor oil is the same viscosity as SAE-75 gear oil (both Saybolt SUS-200 [100°F]) but the gear oil is designed to maintain boundary lubrication between gear teeth and sliding mechanisms. Motor oil is designed for combustion environments. I agree the conversion chart would have to be explained and a discussion of oil characteristics might ensue. That information is probably not covered by the machine shop syllabus. I could go on ad nauseam, but I will refrain.
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So, Mr. Pete, what's behind the mysterious tarpaulin? Is that where you buried grandma?
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Don't you love how the girl on her way to a formal ball at the embassy stopped to machine a part?
Ian Butler Wouldn’t the metal chips get caught in the taffeta?
The girl in the catalog made me think of the good witch of the north. If 5 minutes is good 20 is better.
You mean Glenda?
@@mrpete222 She is the one
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I love those hand drawn exploded parts views of that era. Those were America’s best times and you and I were lucky to have lived them. If I’d had a crystal ball back then and seen things as they are now I’d have thrown the son of a bitch in the trash.
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Saybolt viscosity info .nadi.it, VPN scientific.com, engineering tool box.com .you give lots of info thanks and have fun learning
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