RESTORING THE SOUTH BEND SHAPER disassembly Tips
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- This video is part 4 of a 10 part video series on restoring the SB shaper.
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Good one Mr. Pete! Admire your vitality and enthusiasm when it comes to preserving and restoring vintage machinery. Glad to see some reassembly also. My dad always said " the longer things are apart, the further apart they get!"
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I could spend hours watch MrPete do his favorite thing- painting.....
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I suddenly realized why Mr.Pete's videos are so oddly satisfying: This is the 'Murican version of Norwegian Slow-TV! True, his videos are speeded up compared to the Norwegian stuff, but you get to watch the whole process - an assembly coming apart, being cleaned, polished, painted and finally coming together again. This stuff is incredibly calming, I always take my time to watch Mr. Pete's videos from end to end. There is something nostalgic about them and you come away with the feeling that you watched something very constructive. Sorry, English is my third language, I may not be expressing myself correctly here...
We missed the best part, watching the paint dry.
Good work. Nothing more satisfying than cleaning up and bringing back an old machine.
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Can't wait to see more in this series. I love this size shaper. I don't have much room but even so it's something I could see myself getting at some point. Thanks Mr. Pete!
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Lots of parts to clean. Nice start.
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I wouldn’t mind a 30 min video on this stuff, interested in seeing the inner workings.
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I have this very shaper to restore. So glad you are doing a video series on it. Thanks Mr Pete.
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Mr Pete, thank you so much for doing this shaper series of videos, it really helps (me at least) understand how they work. I also appreciate from my own experience of making TH-cam videos how much longer a job like that takes if you are filming at the same time! So thanks again and I'm looking forward to the next one. Cheers, Alan.
Thank you. Yes, I just finished the final part of the series yesterday. Ten parts all together. It took three weeks. Much longer when you are filming
@@mrpete222 Ten parts, that's great, so much to look forward to. Thank you again.
i didn't expect this machine to get full strip and overhaul, but bravo Mr Pete, you've made this series all the enjoyable . thanks.
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The table would be a prime candidate for a scraping vid!!
I liked the Bijur oilers that were basically a reservoir with a spring loaded T-handle on top that put pressure on the pump piston. Had a single small output fitting that utilized tiny brass tubing that branched out in strategic directions by means of tees, crosses, and tiny manifold blocks to enable lubrication at all points. A lot of the Chicago Rivet machines were fitted with them.
With so many machine tools fabricated from steel or even aluminium with plastic knobs and handles, isn't it a pleasure to see those beautiful and perfectly functional castings with ball handles and turned dials. Those iron founders and Patten makers were magicians. Keep away from the rocking chair Mr. Pete.
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Very interesting. I have an old shaper but I’m afraid It’s beyond saving. Keep the videos coming love them!
Love a good disassembly and clean up, and this did not disappoint.
Great way to start the morning, coffee and Mr Pete.
03:19 Mr Pete you know as well as me, it's fun when things go smoothly.
You know it don't when using those words that soap in mouth washes away. Lol.
Just bought myself a southbend shaper, gonna follow your series through again and go step by step!
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I'm liking the series! Good job.
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It is such a reward to restore old tools then put them back in use and not just to become shop art. "So along for now"
Very interesting series of videos.
You have your Mr. Pete sized shaper and Adam Booth has his Abom79 sized shaper.
I have really enjoyed watching Abom's shaper work, and look forward to hearing yours. I find the sound of a shaper working very soothing.
Thanks.
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I love seeing these old machines brought back to life. Looking forward to your next installment.
Really enjoy seeing all of the parts in detail. Old machinery is so wonderful. Thanks, Mr. Pete! :-)
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I'm learning so much watching your videos.
Have a Jesus filled day
Greg in Michigan
Thank you MrPete my machine shop teacher. Nice work and keep the series going Sir. Good day too.
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@@mrpete222 Thanks and keep making great videos my shop teacher.
THANK YOU...for sharing. For a man who does not like to paint you sure do handle that spray can pretty good. Enjoyed.
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Very nice Jubel I’m an old people and I like old things
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you know youtube stopped notification of new videos? they just get better and better.
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@@mrpete222 I think they stopped telling us on August 13th.
It's so much fun cleaning and restoring an old machine. Look forward to seeing more.
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Nice job so far Mr. Pete, thanks!
I hope you got Mrs. Pete's silverware organizer back in time. I'd hate to see you get busted! Lol. Great video series, looking forward to the rest.
I love the inexpensive, light-weight LED flashlights that you can buy now. I'm sure you remember the old, 2-battery, D-cell flashlights from years ago. They were heavy, the battery was always dead when you needed it most, and they were so dim that if you turned it on in a room in the middle of the day, the room would actually get darker.
Boy do I remember those, hated them. I still have a couple that I should throw out
Watching Mr. Pete and an old black & white episode of Gunssmoke...at the same time....Does it get any better than this LOL
I watched two episodes of Gunsmoke every night. Love the black-and-white episodes
I love Shapers from the 7" to the 36", always have, and always will. Great series of videos mrpete.
Excellent, the shaper will look great when you're done!
I remember your earlier shaper, you put your ram head on it. Ram on the ram.
That is funny that you said that. I just came in from the garage where I was filming. And the last film clip I made was with the ram head, LOL
@@mrpete222 Good timing! And the ram head deserves a revisit, lol!
very good video..thanks for your time
Hi Lyle, there is a paint additive called Penetrol (from The Flood Company). I have used it for decades and is very good on bare metal to prevent rust. Unlike oil, it dries so dirt does not collect. I have found that warming cast iron helps it penetrate into the surface ans seals it (not too hot to burn your fingers). I last coated my welding table 10 months ago and it still looks like white metal. Stay safe and well :)
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Nice pace to the video. I'm not normally one to watch disassembly/assembly videos.
Good show. Many thanks.
Excellent video.Thank you.
Mr. Pete & coffee, so yes I'm happy! Fastest 18-1/2 minutes of the day.😊
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Wow, nice job ted!
Thanks for sharing, can't wait for part 5!
The leaf at 8:00 had my OCD in overdrive! Thanks for today's shop class!
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These will be really nice after the Lyle touch!
That is a sweet little machine. I enjoyed the still shots at the end. Especially the one with the little metal can of 3 in 1 oil.
Hey Mr Pete you still remind me of my old shop teacher Mr Nordhoff
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This machine has a lot of parts, hope you don't have any left over parts when it is finished, grin... Thank you for sharing your project on here.
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I am stoked that you are going to go over the lubrication system. I have a SB shaper that works beautifully other than the lubrication system.
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There a very simple piston pump assembly with one way check valve and a couple of O rings. Most with home shops could re-make the whole lube system from scratch without much expense or trouble. It's a fair amount of work to get them removed for a diagnostic check, but there's little than can go wrong other than plugged oil lines, bad O rings, stuck check valve, or possibly a scored piston and cylinder if it was ever run dry for long enough.
Turning Point excellent, thanks for the clarification. I wasn’t sure what to expect and could never find much good information regarding them.
Allright. It's a good morning now.
I would have to bag & tag; (along with the parts list & diagram). Thanks Mr Pete.
Enjoying the video series,never had a shaper apart interesting to see the intrnals,thanks for the video😀😀.
Thanks, knowledge and skill equal entertainment.
Always interesting!
I have spent this past week doing all of those same operations on my little no-name shaper project. It's like deja vu all over again.
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Thanks for the great video, Mr. Pete, you are an awesome teacher! I hope I get a chance to rebuild one of these someday!
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Keep it up Mr. PETE
I see you get excellent results painting with aerosol cans. I've always used alkyd enamel (battleship gray), applied with a foam brush and baked in an old oven set at 150° for 15 - 20 minutes, just long enough for the casting to reach temperature.
The paint flows out to a smooth finish with no brush marks before baking. Just saying.
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ps One of the reasons I do this is less masking.
Very well executed as usuall Mr. P, T/Y.
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I find it very interesting to watch you take stuff apart, to see the many different tools you have other then your great collection of Starrett tools. One of the very first tools I got was a SanpOn impact screwdriver. Back then I needed it to remove screws from large casting. I haven't used it in maybe 25 years...And with today's castings, I would be afraid to use it because they are so fragile. Have to make things lighter to cut down on shipping costs from China.........
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Chowdered vise block? Seems like a perfect job for a shaper! Love your vids good sir keep em coming! Thanks
The one and only Pete
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Wow, you really move fast.
You know what would do a good job resurfacing that table? A shaper! ;-)
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I wonder how many watching know who you are mimicking when asking, Is Everybody Happy? I do.
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"Borrowed from my wife's silverware drawer." In all seriousness Mr. Pete, you're more active and in better shape than many forty year old men I know. Keep it up!
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Mr. Pete paints? WOW
you are amazingly helping me. from the lost land in east Africa !!!do you have plans to make bevel and helical gears please?
I do not have the machinery to make those gears
If you have reassembly problems just don't ask me where all those parts go! Love the video though.
Hello Mr. Pete. I’m enjoying the videos on your shaper restoration, takes me back to learning in the machine shop. While listening to you speak, it struck me how much you kinda sound like Jimmy Steward. Of course you’d have to slow the speech down a little to get his cadence. Anyway, looking forward to seeing the next one. Take care. SMIB
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What was the kerosene can you use to squirt down the inside, Tubalcain ? That is very handy for doing cleanup of machinery. As always great video,
Hi Mr. Pete!
When you removed the crank pin, you may not have realized it but you got EXTREMELY lucky. Here's why....located at the bottom of the crank is a drilled and tapped hole, 5/16-18 for a square head screw. This screw locks into a flat on the crank pin. It is very difficult to get to for removal. It requires reaching down into the crankcase with a small wrench. Very Darn Hard to do!!!! It appeared that the square head locking screw on your machine was missing. I have never seen a hex head bolt on the outside of the casting holding in the crank pivot pin. I have only had about 4 of these apart but they all had that square head lock screw inside the crankcase. I wonder if they changed the design on yours. Good luck! Mark Clauss
You were right, mine was missing. I did not know it was a squarehead. I thought that it would have been a socket head setscrew. I try to put one in there and could not to get at it. Maybe someone drilled and tapped that screw hole on the side?
Fwiw I just checked my SB shaper that's of the same vintage as the one in the video and there's no shaft keeper on the outside of the column casting either. I haven't got to my shaper's disassembly yet so thanks for the heads up Mark.
Very nice! I could use your help over here in Virginia Lyle. Or, maybe I could just drop off my machines at your place and wait for your pick-up call. LOL. Great vid. Gil
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Looking pretty nice!
THANK YOU MR P, REGARDS R
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My 1965 South Bend shaper had cigarette butts, gum wrappers, old tool bits in the bottom of the oil reservoir when I did my restoration.
Wow, it must have come from a school. I really found nothing in mine except chips
Good morning Mr. Pete, Look Like a complete reconditioning. The machine looks very similar to my Atlas 7b. Make it look pretty and maybe that young lady may come over to see your machine?
Yes, because she surely wouldn’t come over just to see me, LOL.
Morning Lyle
I have the same shaper. years ago it was putting out to much oil to one side of the ram. I adjusted it. now i'm not sure it is getting enough oil. My question is the 2 adjustment screws do you turn the counter clock wise to get more oil or do you line the slow up with the tubing ? I sure wouldn't wan't to have one drop into the oil. I have tried some turning but can't see any difference. I don't use the shaper much. ( like twice a year for small jobs.
Thanks Ernie..
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Mr Pete I now have a gerstner tool chest no machines yet and I have machinist fever I’m going crazy that I haven’t been to a flea market in a month and am always on eBay looking for stuff the worst part is that I’m 12.
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I thought you were done with painting!? I hate it too, you’re not alone.
Believe me, it wasn’t easy
Hi Mr.Pete.One question if you would please tell me the procedure for the drawer removal from the cabinet base I have one of these machines and would like to move it into my basement shop thank's
Open the drawer fully you will see a little hole on each track. You must press the spring with a small screwdriver then the drawer will pull out
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Does the machine have enough stroke to resurface itself on both damaged table faces? That would be my desire. The dressed table surfaces would then be parallel to the machine stroke. I wouldn't cleanup to full cleanup if those chip gouges are really deep.
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Afaik most or maybe all shapers were designated by there stroke length to also be capable of machining a cube the same size as that stroke. That's true for this South Bend one. Since the working surface on my late model shaper that's the same as this one is 7" x 5" then it should be just barely possible. The sides may not be since the table doesn't pivot like a universal shapers table can. But having a second shaper like he does then yes those could still be done. Again afaik shapers were supposed to have a light but full clean up cut made to the top surface when first bought to ensure it is exactly parallel to the ram stroke much like a lathes face plate is done when installing a new one. With noticeable ram way wear? I dunno, checking it's alignment numbers to the ram and then setting the shapers table to a corrected number for that true alignment to the ram on a vertical mill and then fly cutting it true and to clean up minor markings might be a bit better. There's really not a whole lot of extra metal in these shaper box tables so taking the barest minimum is pretty important.
I hope you have a good memory.
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9:15 Clap. Clap clap clap clap. They call it the Clapper. Clap. Clap. Clap. You know what it's after.
Do you know anything about the amco shapers? Good, bad, or problematic? 30s n 40s generations I think. I never see little shapers around me to speak of. Have seen a couple of those, either incomplete or ready to use. All priced beyond reality. Automotive machinery company I believe. You could buy two large shapers for some of what I've seen. Thanks for sharing
I have never seen one of those except in videos or pictures
Mr Pete I did not see you put the pin in the lead screw for the clapper. Mine has a round pin which would serve the same purpose as a square key or wood ruff key. Mine came without the half round slot in the lead screw and I still need to cut that slot. The man i bought it from had 3 of the lead screws and the new one did not have the slot but he had the pin and told me to use a ball end mill to cut the slot. The pin is meant to keep the handle from slipping when cranking the clapper up and down. Did yours have the slot and did I just miss it or does it not have the slot and pin? Thanks.
It has a pin
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I assume that when yopu are through with the shaper you will want to dispose of it. I would love to be able to buy one for my small shop.
I do sop poor machining on my chinese drill press and the shaper would fit right in and be much more accurate than my poor drill press.
The small shaper would not tax my wood floor. :
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Mr Pete how did you clean the crank handles and dials? What do you soak them in?
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Mr. Pete do you still have that little shop built shaper that someone gave you about seven years ago? It was a little table top beauty that was hand powered.
No, it is long gone. Wish I still had it
@@mrpete222 I hope whoever owns it now appreciates the craftsmanship that went into making it. Every once in awhile I revisit those videos.
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Mamy many pictures at the end!!
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Is there a spray paint brand you recommend for this?
They are probably all about the same, but I typically buy rust oleum or Ace. The cheap Walmart stuff is only good for graffiti.
Mr Pete, you missed the opportunity to put a hose on the drain and directly to the bucket.
Thanks for the "Clapper" bit, I laughed pretty good.
Looks like the hammer and chisel mechanic had put on the vice if he had went to mr Pete’s class he would have got a E in class for that jod
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TEDS MACHINE LOOKS TOO PRETTY TO GET DIRTY!!
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I'd love to find one of these in the UK, nice compact shaper. I posted the second half of the bore-Rite video : th-cam.com/video/NjsWj8U-UmM/w-d-xo.html. Cheers Mr Pete
I dont understand the fixation with these archaic machines, i find them boring to watch. A planer seems more suited for ripping metal from its original position. Milling machines and surface grinders seem to be more precise than these sorry back scratchers. Not my favorites. Good luck.
There far from archaic, but your minds made up anyway so none of this will change that.For the right but specialized job there's some commercial and even cnc shops still using them. Multi ton sized one's are even being made in both China and India today. And not to low end Harbor Freight specifications but proper industrial durability, quality as well as price. A good condition shaper with a correctly sharpened tool and someone that knows what there doing can get very close to the accuracy's and surface finishes of that surface grinding. In comparison a brand new Bridgeport cant equal the accuracy or surface finish a decent shaper can. A whole lot of SB equipment including these shapers were churning out contracted small parts in home shops during WW II and some made very good money doing so. On a wide cut they can be set up and put to work and then pretty much ignored until you hear it quit cutting, I can't or wouldn't do that with my BP clone. $5 worth of HSS with dozens to hundreds of resharpenings left in it is a whole lot cheaper than any mill tooling. Since rotary stone grinding was invented well over 2,000 yrs ago it would in reality be far more archaic that any shaper might be. :-)