G&E Shaper Oil Sump Cleanout
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- The oiling system on this G&E shaper has been long neglected. It's time for a full clean out of the oil and the sump. I happened upon a freebie piston pump that I used to remove the old from the shaper.
No secrets, just nasty hands on work to get the oil out and get the sump cleaned from all of the sludge!
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Just brought home a G&E shaper and cleaning out all the old oil and gunk too.
I've been thinking about this video for several days and asking myself the question, "Is it possible for anyone to make an interesting video about sucking cruddy old oil out of a machine?" Well, you did it! Amazing. You are the master.
I’ve even made videos about shoveling chips and cleaning up the Monarch and people loved it! 😆👍🏻
wow, amazing job, love the care you give to your machines, these will be around for generations to come!!
Consider a big magnet in the sump near the pickup to catch sludge
I was motivated by your positive comments on PIG MAT. I bought a roll, part number 7221. The roll is 15 inches wide and 150 feet long. (38.1 cm X 46 meters)
I am in my 70s and if I stat leaking, I might throw a square in my BVDs.
Last century when i had all my teeth and a full head of hair, we used pumps like that for water treatment, dosage pumps for chemicals., they would run 24 hrs. a day. Thanks for the videos
A maintenance video :) I wouldn't mind seeing more.
These old machines built to a very high standard in my opinion far better than machines of this era we are in today
Hi Adam,
Truly looks like a fun and enjoyable project to be cleaning the old girl up, its obvious you seek to ensure the machine looks forward to another life time of work ahead. Only a fine craftsman takes on such a job, Congratulations and Thank you for sharing the detailed work.
Very much look forward to your next video, cleaning and filling with new oil.
Btw: i don't wish to be selfish but don't waste too much time at work, we want to see those lube lines repaired, unit filled with lube, fresh handles made and making chips. :)
Thank you and all the best, you truly are living the dream dude.
Calgary, Alberta Canada
Craig
Thanks Craig. I'm getting ancy to get the machine running. I'm still waiting on the oil to arrive. I have some other parts on the machine I'm working on now. We'll get it all cleaned up and working like it should be again.
well done. a shop like yours is an accumulation of large and small accomplishments that are built day by day thanks for taking us along for the ride
Thanks for the update! That machine is going to look like new soon. Good to get all the old oil and sludge out of there!
That is a fascinating machine inside. It always amazes me the things that humans can create.
Hi Adam, nice start on the rebuild, I wondered what was the driving force inside a shaper! Now I've seen one! You buried the lead however, at 26:17 "Abby called, she sez I'm taking her to dinner!" Nice, I think your hooked, it explains the smile!!
Tremendous amount of satisfaction to cleaning and setting up a new or new to you machine. You find the things that need replaced and or fixed and learn the machine inside and out.
This is as much a key to understand as listening to the motor running under load.
Seeing this process makes me smile and it will serve you well for many years to come. I know as always you willd o a great job on it.
Great way to learn a machine is getting in there and cleaning it all up!
Very impressive clean-up considering your starting point! Thanks for the video.
Looking real good Adam, really it was the same story with mine. 1/8 inch of goo at the bottom of the sump and lots of time soaking with rags. I love the pig mats, use them at work all the time. Your G&E looks like it has had a fairly easy life. That shaper will be around long after we are gone if she is cared for..
She was build to run 24/7👍
Thanks Steve!
Love this channel! I found your channel about 6 months ago, and can't get enough of it. Keep the videos rolling.
man o man that's quite a machine. Can't wait to see how you use it.
Thanks for showing us the inside of that machine. It's very interesting to see the inner workings. It's also good to see an old machine like that be looked after. Can't wait to see it with some fresh oil in there.
Thanks buddy! The SNS videos are great, keep them coming. But I really enjoy these how to videos too, they are a great learning too since a lot of machines work the same. Again, thanks!
As others have said that is a metering pump. Most metering pumps are very pricey, yours is almost exactly like a Simplex Model 1760-12-SS and is capable of 30 GPH. The price for a new Simplex Model 1750-12-SS is right around $2300.
Yes I remember us talking about it being a metering pump. I have some papers with it that shows how it's used.
Man i hope for your sake that those toweles were not Abbie's sunday best.. lol thanks for the update
Thanks Adam for the view of the internals. That is one hell of a machine! Matt C
What a pleasent surprise, an Abom vid in the middle of the week! See what a vacation can do for you!
Kerosene works wonders for cleaning machine sumps. It tends to dissolve the sludge, it is thin enough to flush all the gears and bearings clean and you don't need to worry about water based cleaners. Monarch recommends it for flushing the headstock and apron.
I agree as it evaporates and leaves no residue.
New life in an old machine makes us old timers feel really good I like your approach on the oil lines they are the heart of any machine and supper with Abby priceless 😉
Seeing Adam smile about something as simple as pumping oil cheers me up too for some reason
Yea! Mid-week video.....fun one too. Can't wait for the first chips!
I like the fact that you take the time to clean up your machines and make them look maintained. I've seen so many shops that have pitiful looking machines and it makes you wonder if that is how they approach their work as well.
Too funny..."Abby said I'm taken her to dinner tonight".... that's love...LOL
Mike Rowe would be proud.
That is the same pump we use at work for pumping in boiler chemicals. Great pumps last a long time is taken care of. Keep up the good work.
Clearly it was in need of some love, glad it is getting it! Gasoline in a hand sprayer makes an awesome cleaner for those hard to reach places.
I like to use kerosene, not quite so volatile. We use to keep a gasoline bucket in the shop for parts cleaning. The fire marshal loved that.
While you had the pump running I would have taken a garden sprayer full of Kerosene, etc and sprayed down the interior and let the pump pull most of that sludge out.
But I'm lazy like that!!!
Wild Turkey work smarter not harder
Very nice Adam. Watching you clean out the sump brings back fond memories of myself cleaning out the 4" of sludge in the sump of the huron from 35 years of use, oh the lovely stench. haha. Even the internal coolant ways in the table were 3" deep with crud. You got a good score with the shaper Adam.
The 30rpm / 36rpm is what you would get for the same motor run on 50Hz or 60Hz.
50Hz = 30rpm
60Hz = 36rpm.
We use that oil pump for pumping chemicals into high pressure boilers. I should be able to pull a manual for you if you need it. They require a real good grease job as it's what is used for sealing. We know them as a v5 simplex pump manufactured by a&f machine products.
Early notification crew in effect! A fun trick with the blue mats when I was working on petroleum equipment - We pumped the water out of fuel oil and diesel tanks on a regular basis. If you poured that pumped stuff through a blue towel(generic brand), the diesel soaks right through and the water stays on the blue mat. Dump water and repeat. I heated a home for the worst of winter on something that should have been hazardous waste.
Ahhhhh, I really enjoyed watching this after a day of work and then math class at night. I envy you working on that thing. That type of work.....just cleaning and making something nice is soothing work. Can't wait for it to warm up. My Clausing lathe is next on my list for the spring.
Brian Streufert thanks Brian. You haven’t had any shop weekends lately?
Sadly, not in MONTHS!!!
I started using pigs back around 1988 when they came out. We used the oil only pigs in the pump makeup tank that supplied cooling water to the machines. Usually a heat ex-changer on an air compressor or hydraulic package would rupture and contaminate our make-up tank with hydraulic oil. Great product!!
They have quite an extensive line of products really. They have a big catalog that comes once a year. Something for every industry and all occasions in there.
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Hi mate Don from Australia by the look of the machine I would pull the pickup for the oil off as in the older machines they put a filter to stop any large particales from blocking the lines.
New life for an old war horse! Thanks for showing us the work involved!
Same pump used for fertilizer and chemical injection into irrigation water under pressure at the pump site. Great find!
I watch your vids all the time. Ive owned a machine shop for 35 yrs. We mostly run production but I am AWAYS fixing something or making a repair on mine or someone else stuff. And sometimes making tooling or fixtures... I do everything on CNC machines. It is soooo much easier doing all that kind of stuff with just numbers and a button.. I think of you every time I am doing that sort of thing.. I like your vids.. nerve racking though... for me...
That shaper is going to love u for the maintenance.👍
Adam, I agree with Carl and Brian below. What we used to use on machinery when I was in a shop is heated Varsol. Maybe 80 or so deg. Hand sprayer, garden sprayer. Or you could build yourself one that uses shop air. Was great for cleaning old radial engines that dripped oil almost as fast as you could put them in. We used a simple emersion heated to heat the Varsol. I would also take it as far as using the varsol as an oil for a very short while and try and flush out the oiling system.
Looking healthier every time we see you, Adam! Keep it up! Great video too. I'm looking forward to seeing the G&E cut some chips soon ;)
Hi Adam, I'm surprised you used the mats so soon.
I would have sprayed the inside down with solvent while thee pump was running.
Kerosene/diesel are my favorites. Looks like a fun and rewarding job, have fun.
Great video Adam! I can almost smell the old oil and grease inside the machine. Neat little pump you've got there.
I can also recommend a water-vacuum cleaner, works very good to get the small grit and flakes and residue of oil out of every corner of such a sump. However these pig-mats are also really helpful.
Keep up the good work and the videos.
Mark
Mucking out oil, no better way to get in touch with your machinery :). Soliciting recommendations from the oil manufacturer is always a good idea. I found a manual on the Vintage Machinery website and it states 7-1/2 gallons for that size shaper. At any rate probably couldn't overfill with that type oil fill system. Keep up the very interesting videos.
What a nice mid-week treat. I can't wait to see her making chips ....
Adam, I used to oporate a boiler for kiln drying wood. That is the same pump we used to pump the chemicals into the boiler. I am sure it can be used for lots of things, but that was one application. They are very good pumps for continuous pumping for extremely long periods of time. They are typically kinda slow pumps.
Good to see somone who seems to still put some love and effort onto those old shapers instead of thowing them out to the scrapyard. Those are good macines for sidejobs, ewerything does not need to run on topspeed.
I remember when I did the sump in my Rockford 24" shaper . This is not a fun job but nessecery . I need to do it again so I can fix a leaking oil seal on the motor shaft . The G & E is shaping up nicely
Adam you are using the same tune here as Old Steam Powered Machine Shop. Another channel I watch a lot. Cool look at the shaper. the gears are a thing of beauty.
The shaper's starting to look great! Looking forward to seeing it make some chips.
I'm traveling to the job site from Northern California to the Fresno area at the moment. I was so happy to see this posting! What a great way to kill some of this 6 hour drive. Thanks for sharing Adam!
I love listening to Podcasts or video while I travel too. Thanks Jonathan!
Bonus Wednesday Night Abom video, thanks Adam!
That could be a dosing pump of some sort. We had similar pumps although smaller, for dosing water treatment chemicals for the feed water in our boiler systems.
Adam, thanks for taking us with you during the cleaning of the sump. I really enjoyed seeing the inner workings of your fabulous machine. I had hoped you would apply pressurized solvent in spray form to clean the grime away and off the inner walls and gearing. Or some brake or carb cleaner in aerosol form would work as well. Then you could use your pig mats to soak that stuff up. Best to you and your great machine shop videos, from Greater Chicagoland!
Adam, Great Video I have enjoyed every video I have watched, really looking forward to the next video on your K&E, Thank you for sharing.!.!.!.
We have a pump similar to that at work we use on our boilers to inject chemicals to overcome the pressure inside the boiler during operating.
Check the set screws on the link from the crank arm to the ram, mine where loose.
The oil in my G&E was the filthiest thing I've ever seen. It took many hours to get as clean as yours started. For the finale pass I used brake kleen. One cool thing is every time you pull the clutch lever it auto cleans the oil filter.
Yep mine has the auto self cleaning oil filter. Pretty cool little guy
Hi Adam. Splendid video! I love seeing the progress on the shaper and the shop. Looking forward to more and seeing some chips fly.
I had a chuckle when you put the suction check on the top because I've done it before as well. I work on small scale pumps and tech all the time being and industrial instrumentation mechanic.
G+E shinning up real nice can't wait to see it in action
If the pump motor was run on 50Hz instead of 60Hz, the 30 RPM would be spot on. Also, you need an apprentice for the sludge shoveling... :)
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That's what i was going to say. 😏
Most likely rpm is specified under load, but yes compare 50 to 60 Hertz/cycles = 20% difference.
Well done man! It’s good to see people take pride in their work.
Had friends that raced in a division higher that needed a fast oil transfer pump for their quick change rear ends. I took a 12 volt pump/motor assembly off a scraped manual pull straddle stacker (type of small fork lift), welded up a simple carriage with wheels and a car battery tray, removed the old 1/2 inch hose fittings and replaced with 3/8 inch adapted fittings and 12 foot of hose each side, auto momentary manual start switch in line with a 20 amp fuse on the positive side, made for aw32 Hyd. oil but would pull gear oil long enough to empty and fill a rear end before becoming too hot and tripping out, took about a minute.
That shaper is coming up really nice. Such a huge hulk of a machine for a relatively small working are, it's bonkers lol. The new pump is cool, maybe you could use it as an oil feed for the shaper, it's slow enough and as you can adjust it, it could feed the tool reliably and steadily.
Hello Adam, I have one of these in the 24" size. I am just a hobbyist. I am learning a lot from your videos. Can't wait to see the next video with the oil you ordered. I need to perform the same process you are going through. Unfortunately, someone painted mine an ugly blue color. Ha. Cheers.
Glad to help Allen. I'm enjoying building a playlist of videos for this machine so that it may help others too. Gotta repaint that shaper man!
Keeping the art alive. Thanks for the awesome channel
As a high school kid working in the oil patch in the 60s, I used a product called VARSOL in a suction pressure washer to do stuff like this before we brought it inside for rebuild. It was VERY dirty and nasty....which is why the high school kid got to do it. Also painted pipe fence with a pair of cotton gloves....but thats another story.
Love looking inside machine tools, highest quality for 24/7 production. I think the two cracks on the arm are casting faults, caused by rapid cooling of a thin section, looks to be contained, and most likely crack tested at inspection, and judged to be satisfactory. Great video, and enjoy your presentation. I spent my first 9 months of my apprenticeship on a 32" Churchill Shaper ( UK), very scary as a 16 year old, mid 70's. It used to miss indexes on the cross travel, then do a double cut, big dents in the steel floor standing guard.
"Bosted Tap" ? Any chance you're from the Black Country, aer kid?
Gospelman . Ar Bist me Mon, yow ay saft. Most definitely, grew up in Coseley, now in Wombourne. Are you near Sedgley perchance.
Bosted Tap. Sadly, no. I've been exiled to the South of England for the past 40+ years, but I was born and brought up in Smethwick, at a time when we still had a thriving metalworking industry in Britain. My heart is still there. I know Wombourne, I have relatives there. All the best to you.
Reciprocated.
I know it´s a little late now, but to dissolve oily residues and sludge, diesel fuel works quite well.
What I like about diesel over cleaners/degreasers: Everything keeps an oily film and stays protected against moisture, at least for some time.
Hi Adam,
Did you count the number of mats you put in so it equals the number you removed? Surgeons sometimes forget surgical drapes in their patients ...
Cleaning out my B&S micromaster, I've used degreaser and a power washer and a wet/dry vac into a 55 gal drum to suck up the degreaser.
An old-fashioned Wednesday night oil change... outstanding! 👍
Free cutting oil right there. Great pump to have around.
I was wondering about the ways on that. Thanks for the little aside at the end. I've got some work to do on my box-ways. Now I know how.... Thanks!
Oil cools, cleans, cushions and clearances The four C's.
Excellent video Adam, I love the shaper I've never seen inside one before, really sweet video. Keep up the good work.
That was really interesting. I have never seen inside a shaper and always wondered what all the space was used for.
I love old machinery before xmas I bought a Brown & Sharpe No 2 which is being cleaned up very slowly so it can be put back into service in my shop. Also, I am about to take delivery of a Smart & Brown 1024 Lathe which shouldn't require much work to start using again.
Man, I love clean and cleaning machines.. Wonderful job!!
from the looks of it, the machine uses copper single wall tubing. It is nice for low pressure applications. Connections can be made with easy to buy union fittings. The outer line is probably the same just snapped off. One thing about old copper line. It tends to thin out so check all the lines you can for leaks , or since it is also easy to bend, kinks from something being tossed around. Air is a good test for system.
Jacilynn S but it also work hardens so you can bend it to much
Looking good. I thought I saw a crack in the casting too. Might have been the light, Cheers
May be a slight ridge in the casting, or, a ripple in the paint?
"take this and shove it up in there. oh ya. pretty good little pocket down inside there. wow!" best line in the vid.
beautiful machine. love the old engineering stuff. nice job saving a piece of old machine history. great job. k rucker would cleaned it with pine turpentine from museum, watch out he will want it
Machine looks nice after the clean up.
Make sure you got all those cloths out the sump.
Man the inside of that shaper is a work of art! At least for me anyhow! 😂i love watching these vids Adam.
Hello Adam
We used to use pumps like that for the water fill on steam generators as they could pump against the pressure in the generator.
The pump is a metering pump for chemical injection into a prosses. I see a lot in paper mills.
Adam repairs quite a few paper mill gearboxes, so it fits. Likely brought along with one of jobs at work, and forgotten or unwanted for a long time. I hear they can be pricey.
While cleaning the machine sumps at my work we just used a shop vac and elbow grease works great.
Put a magnet in the bottom to collect any shavings or metal so it doesn’t damage ur pump or gears
They do something similar in cows
Adam That pump is a high pressure injection pump for pushing chemicals into a product stream. They are usually hooked to a timer and inject on command. Example, waste water stream and chemical to treat it.
lookin great so far and im really enjoying watching u go through the process. im fascinated by that oil line that broke off. very interesting.
Lookin real good Adam. You should be very proud of your work.
Looks very good Adom, nice job getting it done
Wow that is full of sludge. Nice work as always.
I can see that shaper smiling all the way to Texas. It is so tickled that you are the new owner.