Even with dissapointingly static and barren poses, I'm more ticked with GW's inability to recognize the glaring weaknesses of terminators in the modern edition
Due to how plain they are to me and lack of options within the kit, I'm buying Cataphractii terminators and just getting upgrades from forgeworld (only the chain axes, combi/heavy weapons and some power weapons). It just seemed cheaper and looks cooler too me. This kit is just lack luster compared to all recent terminator kits and I hope this isn't Games Workshop view on models going forward
@@Sup3rSaiy3n Ah, the major difference to me is when viewed sideways, the Mk. IV faceplate is protruding, while the Primaris faceplate is just flat. Then there's the minor detail that the Primaris helmets always seem to have a little protetctive ledge going over the "ears". But of course, overall, the two look very much alike! It's only detail-obsessed nerds like me who would care for such nonsense :)
They must of deliberately designed those terminators so you can't pose at all. Thank you for doing these videos as it shows what is good and bad about these kits.
It's an odd direction to take. Not sure why GW thinks it's good to have unposable models, apart from making people who own modelling saws feel superior.
If they ever buff standard Terminators to T5 and 3 Wounds I'll pick these up. But right now they're just not that appealing, I like the new models but the lack of posing options is a shame.
Of all of the traitor legionis astartes, the Night Lords are my favorite. I've been wanting to build a small striking force of them for a loooong time but never really liked the models until now. And every single video I watch on your channel gives me a reason to start buying them asap! LOL.
@@Sup3rSaiy3n its especially great when you have the black legion artifact combi bolter called the Angel's Bane, rapid fire 2, Strength 5 Ap -2 and 2 damage, unless the enemy has the imperium keyword then its 3 damage.
Great video. I've been getting into the new Chaos range lately and decided to give the Terminators a go, albeit from Ebay as they were much cheaper! I actually really like these models, however when comparing them to the older models, they're really just a face lift to bring them into line with the current new additions. I can't help but agree on the majority of your points such as the monoposed arms and legs, a fairly vanilla composition and lack of/limited chance to individualise those units. Another sprue, heck even half a sprue to allow for more gear optimisation would have been great.
With a little clipping I think these ones have a lot more scope for variety than the old ones, you could rotate the hips a little (only a little because too much looks stupid) and all the arms could do was change their elevation, not really the great dynamic models that some people think they were. I like these models and I certainly dont think it would be practical to have every weapon combination for every Terminator in the box like some people do, but they really should be able to kit out the datasheet load out for sure.
Interestingly, in NZ, they're the same cost as the Scarab Occult, Blightlord, or Tartaros. Other loyalist options are cheaper, except Cataphractii who are more expensive.
Man I was going to buy this kit but now I am on the fence. I love the sculpts even if they are a little vanilla, but the fact that they are still kinda short is a let down. Why bring out a brand new kit if they were not going to change much? Even the stats are a bit disappointing. It's a real shame..
Great video as always, I’m not really impressed with these models, the rest of the new chaos release were really good, however these were too much like the old terminators in my opinion, which looking at the old kit did they really need to bring out this kit? Other than the new weapons and poses?
Looking at the new kit vs the old kit there’s not a lot of difference, other than the new weapons, they had a chance to completely re design this kit bringing it in line with the blightlord terminators and the scarab occult terminators, maybe even the deathshroud terminators. Missed opportunity there I think.
They look really cool (well its hard for a terminator to not look cool) and the size increase is appreciated but the lack of options drives me out. Great video, specially the size comparison with other models.
These are Dark Angels Terminators 😹 Yup, needed another squad of Termies for my all-Deathwing army, decided to lightly kit-bash a box of these instead of yet another squad of Assault/Deathwing... they honestly became more 'bland', that's how i wanted 'em, to group in with loyalist.
I'd say the size difference between these and the Cata/Tartaros is definitely due to re-scaling. The Burning of Prospero box was the last major release using the old Marine scale, and they probably only did that so they'd fit the existing Heresy range (the Mk III Marines in there were already squatter than the Deathwatch from a few months earlier).
Nicholas Sinnett Is that your opinion or a source from GW/FW? GW/FW have released other models such as Haarken and HH marines that have been the same size as much older kits. Unless there is something official from GW I take a re-scaling conclusion with a pinch of salt.
Man I don’t know why but I love the intros to you’re videos, it sounds the same every time. I love living warhammer vicariously through you’re videos. They ALWAYS put a smile on my face. Can I ask a serious question though, do you have every warhammer model? I’m just getting into chaos now and I’m absolutely in love with these models! But this is kind of sad to hear that they only one chain fist, I’m making a world eater army and I was really really hoping they would have the multi option like most others do now a days
Not the best set of this chaos release, totally agree. Although individual models, the poses are quite repetitive. Terminator armor might not be the best for dynamic poses, but still. I like the death guard ones much, much more and they have more variety of poses. Great review, spot on comments and great size comparisons. Pity that you don’t have the older models. These are certainly better, but they don’t seem that much different. Maybe it’s the tusked helmets? 👍🏻
For me this miniatures looks like it have been awaiting a release during some time, not mix whit the other kits, other new chaos miniatures have some primaris trophies on them, this boys lack them. I dont like the monopose the new miniatures looks like, this not a bad kit, but can be more better, imo.
Gotta say, they're massively underwhelming. The posing and accessories on the kit is really concerning I guess, they're really lacking and that's very disappointing
I got these when I first started doing warhammer and I didn’t know how to glue, they all look fine for the most part but the bases have glue stains on them everywhere.
if you want to think about it. a custodian in america scrubs toilets. so there by "haha" funny. blightlords are the largest terminator suit if used during the hesery.
Good video about a new edition of csm terminators no one asked for... And which isn't better than the old troops. Should I buy a few sm terminator boxes, before gw ruins them too...? BTW, this monopose, and what I call easy to build models, is against all what is best in working with miniatures..., customizing...
@@Sup3rSaiy3n Not sure why raptors - they are pretty recent! But I agree regarding possessed! Berzerkers too, although I suspect they are actually in the pipeline.
generalxue I guess I will need to buy the raptors to find out. Maybe I’m spoilt with Haarken 😁 forgot about those awful beserkers. A shame as I love the new AoS khorne stuff.
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Wow this kit is worse than I thought. Is it just me or do the old metal chaos termies still hold the prize for best looking chaos terminators? These ones may have better proportions than either previous iteration, but they lost in density of details, and compared with modern havoc and chaos space marine (the troops choice, give them a proper name already, GW), they look incredibly dated. None of the variation and organic detailing of their contemporaries. They just have the old trims, arrows and daemon skulls.
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I'd be interested in a video on your history with Warhammer and games workshop.
Yea and why you left... 🤔
@@mustliveon390 The shop lost money because Supersiyen reviewed every purchase in great detail and customers were getting bored! haha
Even with dissapointingly static and barren poses, I'm more ticked with GW's inability to recognize the glaring weaknesses of terminators in the modern edition
Due to how plain they are to me and lack of options within the kit, I'm buying Cataphractii terminators and just getting upgrades from forgeworld (only the chain axes, combi/heavy weapons and some power weapons). It just seemed cheaper and looks cooler too me. This kit is just lack luster compared to all recent terminator kits and I hope this isn't Games Workshop view on models going forward
this really is an alarming move to monoposing the joints and pretty much the whole assempbly process in every new box that comes out...
Adam Thompson yep, at least they could have retained some customisable options especially considering how vanilla they are.
Monopose and lack of customization...
9:38 That's actually a Mk. IV helmet, not a Primaris helmet mate :) I'm just being nitpicky, appreciate your content as always, great job!
It looks exactly the same as the Primaris ones. What’s the difference?
Thank you mate.
@@Sup3rSaiy3n Ah, the major difference to me is when viewed sideways, the Mk. IV faceplate is protruding, while the Primaris faceplate is just flat. Then there's the minor detail that the Primaris helmets always seem to have a little protetctive ledge going over the "ears". But of course, overall, the two look very much alike! It's only detail-obsessed nerds like me who would care for such nonsense :)
They must of deliberately designed those terminators so you can't pose at all. Thank you for doing these videos as it shows what is good and bad about these kits.
It's an odd direction to take. Not sure why GW thinks it's good to have unposable models, apart from making people who own modelling saws feel superior.
Its shame they are quite small. It would have been awesome if they would have been the same size as DeathGuard terminators are
I hate to say it, but these new termies don’t get me harder than terminator armour.
I like the toned-down less cartoony sculpts!
If they ever buff standard Terminators to T5 and 3 Wounds I'll pick these up. But right now they're just not that appealing, I like the new models but the lack of posing options is a shame.
Ferrety6012 well said, I couldn’t agree more.
Well well well... guess someone at GW saw this comment
Of all of the traitor legionis astartes, the Night Lords are my favorite. I've been wanting to build a small striking force of them for a loooong time but never really liked the models until now. And every single video I watch on your channel gives me a reason to start buying them asap! LOL.
They also get rapid fire no matter what, so they always get 4 shots with combi bolters, because the beta bolter rule.
Ryan Buckman Damn it I’ve already forgotten about that! Even more of a reason to go vanilla combi.
@@Sup3rSaiy3n its especially great when you have the black legion artifact combi bolter called the Angel's Bane, rapid fire 2, Strength 5 Ap -2 and 2 damage, unless the enemy has the imperium keyword then its 3 damage.
Great video. I've been getting into the new Chaos range lately and decided to give the Terminators a go, albeit from Ebay as they were much cheaper! I actually really like these models, however when comparing them to the older models, they're really just a face lift to bring them into line with the current new additions. I can't help but agree on the majority of your points such as the monoposed arms and legs, a fairly vanilla composition and lack of/limited chance to individualise those units. Another sprue, heck even half a sprue to allow for more gear optimisation would have been great.
Having just got the kit the arms can go on any of the bodies no problem. Was actually a pleasant surprise.
best part is always the size comparisons...keep up the good work mate!
With a little clipping I think these ones have a lot more scope for variety than the old ones, you could rotate the hips a little (only a little because too much looks stupid) and all the arms could do was change their elevation, not really the great dynamic models that some people think they were. I like these models and I certainly dont think it would be practical to have every weapon combination for every Terminator in the box like some people do, but they really should be able to kit out the datasheet load out for sure.
Interestingly, in NZ, they're the same cost as the Scarab Occult, Blightlord, or Tartaros. Other loyalist options are cheaper, except Cataphractii who are more expensive.
TrolleyMouse 🤔
Likewise in Aus, $98 bucks for the Chaos Terminators and $98 bucks for the Standard chaos Marines. Pay to win much?
9:41 That is a mk 4 helmet, not primaris
It's looking like G.W needs to do Bitz Blisters as this seems to be a recurring problem with the newer kits.
I have an old white dwarf that had a photo of a store, on the shelves there were bits blisters and I lost my mind... I need these! XD
Great detailed look mate
you have inspired me to film my old models.
Man I was going to buy this kit but now I am on the fence. I love the sculpts even if they are a little vanilla, but the fact that they are still kinda short is a let down. Why bring out a brand new kit if they were not going to change much? Even the stats are a bit disappointing. It's a real shame..
Chaotic Shadow yes this is a disappointing kit especially when compared to the rest of the new CSM releases.
Great video as always, I’m not really impressed with these models, the rest of the new chaos release were really good, however these were too much like the old terminators in my opinion, which looking at the old kit did they really need to bring out this kit? Other than the new weapons and poses?
Gary Evans Hit the nail on the head there.
Looking at the new kit vs the old kit there’s not a lot of difference, other than the new weapons, they had a chance to completely re design this kit bringing it in line with the blightlord terminators and the scarab occult terminators, maybe even the deathshroud terminators. Missed opportunity there I think.
They also fixed the knees. The knee armour on the old ones was really chunky and boxy-looking
They look really cool (well its hard for a terminator to not look cool) and the size increase is appreciated but the lack of options drives me out.
Great video, specially the size comparison with other models.
These are Dark Angels Terminators 😹
Yup, needed another squad of Termies for my all-Deathwing army, decided to lightly kit-bash a box of these instead of yet another squad of Assault/Deathwing... they honestly became more 'bland', that's how i wanted 'em, to group in with loyalist.
I'd say the size difference between these and the Cata/Tartaros is definitely due to re-scaling. The Burning of Prospero box was the last major release using the old Marine scale, and they probably only did that so they'd fit the existing Heresy range (the Mk III Marines in there were already squatter than the Deathwatch from a few months earlier).
Nicholas Sinnett Is that your opinion or a source from GW/FW? GW/FW have released other models such as Haarken and HH marines that have been the same size as much older kits. Unless there is something official from GW I take a re-scaling conclusion with a pinch of salt.
Man I don’t know why but I love the intros to you’re videos, it sounds the same every time. I love living warhammer vicariously through you’re videos. They ALWAYS put a smile on my face. Can I ask a serious question though, do you have every warhammer model? I’m just getting into chaos now and I’m absolutely in love with these models! But this is kind of sad to hear that they only one chain fist, I’m making a world eater army and I was really really hoping they would have the multi option like most others do now a days
Thank you for your kind comment. I dont have every model unfortunately.
Not the best set of this chaos release, totally agree. Although individual models, the poses are quite repetitive. Terminator armor might not be the best for dynamic poses, but still. I like the death guard ones much, much more and they have more variety of poses. Great review, spot on comments and great size comparisons. Pity that you don’t have the older models. These are certainly better, but they don’t seem that much different. Maybe it’s the tusked helmets? 👍🏻
I like they’re helmets so much I might kitbash these guys into some blood angel terminators
For me this miniatures looks like it have been awaiting a release during some time, not mix whit the other kits, other new chaos miniatures have some primaris trophies on them, this boys lack them.
I dont like the monopose the new miniatures looks like, this not a bad kit, but can be more better, imo.
Cool design, but if GW decided to redo well, make them higher
Gotta say, they're massively underwhelming. The posing and accessories on the kit is really concerning I guess, they're really lacking and that's very disappointing
i would wish to purchase these, five times. so that i may have one five man unit of lightning claws. i guess i would have four more units after that.
I got these when I first started doing warhammer and I didn’t know how to glue, they all look fine for the most part but the bases have glue stains on them everywhere.
'Look at the size of that weapon ... the thickness ... huge' hmm oh yes satisfyingly big
if you want to think about it. a custodian in america scrubs toilets. so there by "haha" funny. blightlords are the largest terminator suit if used during the hesery.
No one going to mention the giant hole in the underside of the sculpt? This kit smacks of laziness.
What gold paint do use for your custodes because it looks awesome
I dont think its retru gold or bal gold
How well do these work with the older chaos terminators? Can we kit bash them together are are the older terminators smaller?
the chaos mauls have never looked chaos "y" . enough.. needs more spikes or skulls.
Good video about a new edition of csm terminators no one asked for... And which isn't better than the old troops.
Should I buy a few sm terminator boxes, before gw ruins them too...?
BTW, this monopose, and what I call easy to build models, is against all what is best in working with miniatures..., customizing...
Nidhogg vom Walde Thank you. It was a hard decision to make.
Does it ever occur to them that they could have used ball joints instead?
Duerf It would need a different plastic to pull that off. It would also create more parts.
What gold spray did you use on those custodies
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It looks like you can't use Forge World Berzerker upgrades on any of the newer Chaos Marines. Am I correct?
I do wonder why they bothered making a new kit when it looks almost the same as the old one! P.S. the lightning claws look lame!
generalxue yep, totally agree. Would have rather they did new possessed or raptors.
@@Sup3rSaiy3n Not sure why raptors - they are pretty recent! But I agree regarding possessed! Berzerkers too, although I suspect they are actually in the pipeline.
generalxue I guess I will need to buy the raptors to find out. Maybe I’m spoilt with Haarken 😁 forgot about those awful beserkers. A shame as I love the new AoS khorne stuff.
i do not like the way the power maul looks, or the lightning claws. compared to the 90s peweter chaos style.
Lack of options in the assembly book leads to more imaginative options for the builder.
What?
Bland Lord Terminators
Sounds like magnets are your friend with this kit
Do tactical marine heads fit on them since I'm not a fan of termie heads. Great video
MJamos cultist Do you mean tactical chaos marines? I don’t think that is possible.
@@Sup3rSaiy3n tactical space marines as in the non primaris ones
MJamos cultist Tactical Space marine heads in Chaos Terminator bodies. No they are a different shape.
@@Sup3rSaiy3n oof
GW is going HARD on the monopose now =( SUCKS. Cant have a lot of variability in a larger army.
I did not know you worked at GW you should tell us about it
That mark four not primaris🥴
Element Games can't ship to the US, so lame... their prices are what 40k stuff should be.
Thank you for trying. There are other ways to support the channel if you can. FYI it’s not down to EG but GW’s international shipping policies from third parties. Thanks again
the bladed weapons look very bland for chaos [they would fit in with vanilla marines sadly]
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are there transfers with the kit?
Wow this kit is worse than I thought. Is it just me or do the old metal chaos termies still hold the prize for best looking chaos terminators? These ones may have better proportions than either previous iteration, but they lost in density of details, and compared with modern havoc and chaos space marine (the troops choice, give them a proper name already, GW), they look incredibly dated. None of the variation and organic detailing of their contemporaries. They just have the old trims, arrows and daemon skulls.
Looks really dissapointing.
So no Terminators for me untill World Eaters get their own