To your point about the champions not having heavy weapons. - As a great man once said when questioned about why he carried a sword during WW2; "Any officer seen in battle without his sword is improperly dressed" - Mad Jack Churchill.
I like the Havoc squad leader not having a heavy weapon. Fluff wise he wouldn't need a heavy weapon because he's busy picking targets, taking orders and positioning his squad. On the chance the squad runs into a scouting or infiltrating combat unit someone needs to have a close quarters weapon, you wouldn't want to lose 5 heavy weapons because a lictor popped out and no one wanted to fire as they would hit them selves in the blast. He could be smashing doors, clearing obstacles ect.
See, I really like the Heresy style weapons, Missile, Melta, and so on. Only thing is those Missile marines would have the Lascanon backpacks, especially with those magazines.
Looks like you've put one of the components of the chain cannons ammo feed on back to front just. Should be two solid rows running from the backpack to the weapon. Easiest way I found to assmble that bit is just to glue the two parts together so they form their chain, glue that to the bottom of the backpack, and then fiddle about with sticking the arms on later to get it all lined up.
Bit disappointed by all the Black Legion Models tho, would have liked more dark mechanikum stuff with them. More mechincal Limbs and such, much more hoses, cables. The BL at least should have more battleworn Marines with them. Nonetheless beautiful sculpts.
lolpatrol yes I would definitely be up for dark mechanicum stuff. It definitely exists in the 41st millennium and should be present. Also were are the heretic guardsmen other than cultists??
Sometimes it looks like GW is going ‘bananas’ with all these crazy builds... Now it’s the heads with the power plants. It’s the “thou shall not convert miniatures” taken to the extreme! Not a big fan of shoulder mounted weapons either, but these guys look cool. Yeah, it’s a cool unit. 👍🏻
There could be a moment of kindness from GW at Christmas with the big boxed sets that last about a month on the shelves and you may get 5 of these in the set (say a Christmas Black Legion set or similar) as a bargain ... but I doubt it.
It’s a little specific I did a commission for a guy who wanted a unit of 4 chain cannons and they didn’t play nice with one of the pairs of legs so I just ended up using legs from another box creating a duplicate pose
About the Reaper Chaincannon. Whilst yes its a typical GW move to only include 1, it very much resembles a heavy bolter with a rotor barrel. Those 2 heavy bolters you get could be converted into chaincannons with a little effort. With a bit more effort, the autocannon could also be converted and boom, 4 chaincannons!
I honestly thought you said peeper chain sword lol I really like these models and the fact they include two of each weapon except for the chain cannon and a great review as always 👍😁
as much as i love the sculpts, as a unit they are no different to devastators, just like chaos versions of the vindicator, land raider and predaotor. but chaos has so much cooler stuff for the heavy support slots of the old rules i still play in, so i went with obliterators, forgefiend and defiler instead. things you cant take as a loyalist.
I had 1 unbuild squad of the old havocs and just slaped on some thried party chaincanons not gonna buy any of the new marines cuz i have everything chaos wise. The new marines i use for chosen but thats it xD
Love the models the only disappointment for me was that they don't give you enough shoulder pads to equip them how you want to so no 2 auto-cannon reaper chain-cannon heavy bolter combo how I personally wanted
Thank you for testing the auto cannons on those other torsos. Was on the fence about these guys, don't really like the look of the missile launchers or lascannons. GW should really throw you a few things for the free (or is it paid... By you) advertising you give them, lol, you just sold them a box of these guys.
How easy would it be to paint these in sub-assemblies, so all the parts don't get in the way? The multiple contact points you were talking about with the lascannon guy seemed like they could cause some issues there.
Gorgeous models, Ive never had a badguy army in 40k (Other than space marines of course, the real badguys) and these releases are definitely swaying me
Solid review. Am I correct, were you gone for a bit? Missed your content bud, welcome back. I picked up a couple of the new Chaos releases (both Vigilus books, Abaddon, Shadowspear and the new CSM) and I'll definitely be getting the Havocs, Terminators and the Dark Apostle as well. Keep up the great work.
So Cal Astarte Thank you mate. No I was still here. Continued to make daily videos since October 2018. Covered Orks, Nemesis Warbringer, Genestealer Cults and now Chaos. Will be getting the terms and other CSM stuff soon so watch out for my reviews. See you soon.
I bought 5 boxes just for the chain cannons 😂😂😅 what bothers me aside from spending 300$ on a 5 man squad. I hate the feet the claws and they looks like legs off the aggressors and they remind me of boots that someone like gene simmons would wear on stage 😂
It really bugs me that "regular" Chaos marines are now taller (or at least the same height) and beefier than the Primaris. It just completely defeats the purpose of making them in the first place if GW ended up truescaling regular marines anyway with the new Chaos releases
This kit is really awfull from A to Z. Ugly, incomplete, not modular... and expensive. I am sure anyone who buy a box won't buy another one, and those who pre-ordered severals will be disapointed. Thanks for the review man.
Agree with everything but the ugly part. I actually think they are great looking models but that's also part of the problem. They definitely are incomplete, and not modular at all. These models are monopose. Buy 5 of these units and tell me the champions aren't all in the same exact stance, with his foot on a rocky surface. Aside from their arms, their entire body is already pre determined, and you can't really cut and slice a whole lot because of the amazing detail, that you'll for sure screw up if you attempt. Even their heads have to be glued on a certain way, hilariously. I notice GW has been doing this non stop now, even the new Chaos Marines are monopose. Just a shame because they really are nice looking. With the older models I could do a lot more with them. Got one guy with a combat blade and a recently decapitated head in his other hand that he's holding by the hair. Got several other regular Chaos Marines holding or firing bolters with combat blades, and I even have another with only one arm with a knife, his other severed. I can't really do any of these creative things with these new models, so as far as I'm concerned, I'm mostly done collecting now for the most part. The glory days are definitely gone.
To your point about the champions not having heavy weapons.
- As a great man once said when questioned about why he carried a sword during WW2;
"Any officer seen in battle without his sword is improperly dressed"
- Mad Jack Churchill.
He’s right, are you really ready for CC on a battlefield with out one? 😂 what a bad ass dude he’s like Britain’s Patton
I like the Havoc squad leader not having a heavy weapon. Fluff wise he wouldn't need a heavy weapon because he's busy picking targets, taking orders and positioning his squad. On the chance the squad runs into a scouting or infiltrating combat unit someone needs to have a close quarters weapon, you wouldn't want to lose 5 heavy weapons because a lictor popped out and no one wanted to fire as they would hit them selves in the blast. He could be smashing doors, clearing obstacles ect.
Well said!
One of the real standout things for me is the chainswords in the new CSM stuff, they look amazing. Odd thing to focus on but they're really cool.
Eoin McCormack yes they’re awesome mate.
@@Sup3rSaiy3n btw did I spot you prepping for a t h i c c ness video? Who is a bigger boi, abby or aquilon termies
Yeah they look way more realistic and proportioned.
See, I really like the Heresy style weapons, Missile, Melta, and so on. Only thing is those Missile marines would have the Lascanon backpacks, especially with those magazines.
Looks like you've put one of the components of the chain cannons ammo feed on back to front just. Should be two solid rows running from the backpack to the weapon. Easiest way I found to assmble that bit is just to glue the two parts together so they form their chain, glue that to the bottom of the backpack, and then fiddle about with sticking the arms on later to get it all lined up.
Peter Freeburn nah that is what I did to start with. The rounds look smooth because I made a mistake to begin with and then fixed it. Thanks though.
Another great look at a cool unit.
Thanks for the close-up detail shots.
Your videos are so helpful! Cheers!🍻
Bit disappointed by all the Black Legion Models tho, would have liked more dark mechanikum stuff with them. More mechincal Limbs and such, much more hoses, cables. The BL at least should have more battleworn Marines with them. Nonetheless beautiful sculpts.
lolpatrol yes I would definitely be up for dark mechanicum stuff. It definitely exists in the 41st millennium and should be present. Also were are the heretic guardsmen other than cultists??
@@Sup3rSaiy3n Just the models in with Blackstone Fortress.
Minst_Meat I meant in the codex. They should be in there imo.
@@Sup3rSaiy3n yea definitely should.
I quite like how the havocs are the same size as primaris but even the arms are thicker than them.
Awesome review, super in depth and really helpful, thanks!
Just got my Havocs, thank you for confirming the weapon / torso options!
wow havocs does look bigger after all, no wonder why it has toughness 5.
Sometimes it looks like GW is going ‘bananas’ with all these crazy builds... Now it’s the heads with the power plants. It’s the “thou shall not convert miniatures” taken to the extreme! Not a big fan of shoulder mounted weapons either, but these guys look cool. Yeah, it’s a cool unit. 👍🏻
"Thou shalt not convert thine miniatures!"
Me: im going to hell anyway. Challenge accepted! 😈
skunk12 😃👍🏻
True-scale Chaos Marines- Must be nice
Thanks the size comparison, there's a lot bigger difference than I expected between the havocs and the shadowspear Era csm
Maybe It’s the gorget’s that give them toughness 5 😉
There could be a moment of kindness from GW at Christmas with the big boxed sets that last about a month on the shelves and you may get 5 of these in the set (say a Christmas Black Legion set or similar) as a bargain ... but I doubt it.
i come from the future yeah they did that :)
Jared McCain Indeed.
It’s a little specific I did a commission for a guy who wanted a unit of 4 chain cannons and they didn’t play nice with one of the pairs of legs so I just ended up using legs from another box creating a duplicate pose
About the Reaper Chaincannon. Whilst yes its a typical GW move to only include 1, it very much resembles a heavy bolter with a rotor barrel. Those 2 heavy bolters you get could be converted into chaincannons with a little effort. With a bit more effort, the autocannon could also be converted and boom, 4 chaincannons!
Looking forward to seeing your conversions 😁
I think they were trying to be cheeky with the reaper chain cannon.
I honestly thought you said peeper chain sword lol I really like these models and the fact they include two of each weapon except for the chain cannon and a great review as always 👍😁
as much as i love the sculpts, as a unit they are no different to devastators, just like chaos versions of the vindicator, land raider and predaotor. but chaos has so much cooler stuff for the heavy support slots of the old rules i still play in, so i went with obliterators, forgefiend and defiler instead. things you cant take as a loyalist.
Love these units but my god are some of them hard to assemble!
Everyone is going to be converting the heavy bolter included in this set into a reaper chaincannon
I had 1 unbuild squad of the old havocs and just slaped on some thried party chaincanons not gonna buy any of the new marines cuz i have everything chaos wise. The new marines i use for chosen but thats it xD
Love the models the only disappointment for me was that they don't give you enough shoulder pads to equip them how you want to so no 2 auto-cannon reaper chain-cannon heavy bolter combo how I personally wanted
Thank you for testing the auto cannons on those other torsos. Was on the fence about these guys, don't really like the look of the missile launchers or lascannons. GW should really throw you a few things for the free (or is it paid... By you) advertising you give them, lol, you just sold them a box of these guys.
with all the left over bits do you think it would be possible to use them on a 10x chaos spacemarine kit ??
manj10011 yes, definitely. Although they would look odd without the bigger bases and lack on foot talons.
@@Sup3rSaiy3n could make for an interesting experiment :P
Do you think some of the problems would be fixed by combining them with an "ordinary" CSM kit?
william timonen well I think if both were compatible like with devastators and tactical marines then yes.
How easy would it be to paint these in sub-assemblies, so all the parts don't get in the way? The multiple contact points you were talking about with the lascannon guy seemed like they could cause some issues there.
Gorgeous models, Ive never had a badguy army in 40k (Other than space marines of course, the real badguys) and these releases are definitely swaying me
Efreet have you checked out the Death Guard range? They swayed me.
there are no good guys
Have you got a hold of the new terminator kits? I haven't seen a size comparison for them yet
jar ling not yet, I’ve had fewer views and patreons drop out which has affected the content.
@@Sup3rSaiy3n ah that's a shame I hope you have a come back your content is always useful and appreciated
Solid review. Am I correct, were you gone for a bit? Missed your content bud, welcome back. I picked up a couple of the new Chaos releases (both Vigilus books, Abaddon, Shadowspear and the new CSM) and I'll definitely be getting the Havocs, Terminators and the Dark Apostle as well. Keep up the great work.
So Cal Astarte Thank you mate. No I was still here. Continued to make daily videos since October 2018. Covered Orks, Nemesis Warbringer, Genestealer Cults and now Chaos. Will be getting the terms and other CSM stuff soon so watch out for my reviews. See you soon.
SS- Damn, how the hell did I miss all that?! I’m still subscribed and I clicked the bell. I’ve got some catching up to do, Cheers!
So Cal Astarte Good luck. Enjoy!
Lovely minis. have 5 boxes my self. and yes 1 reaper chain cannon is entirely a marketing ploy they are a horrible company when it comes to business..
Why are they on 40mm when the Tac CSM that have HW on 25mm?
terry marsh chaos space marines come on 35mm bases
Can a champion still take a bolter and chainsword?
Andrew Mullan flamer or melta + chainsword
Havocs look like they are wearing gravis armour
oh it's underhanded... and intentional.
Great vid
So we’re only allowed one squad of havocs?
Vesastrul of course not but you can only have 5 man squads
I bought 5 boxes just for the chain cannons 😂😂😅 what bothers me aside from spending 300$ on a 5 man squad. I hate the feet the claws and they looks like legs off the aggressors and they remind me of boots that someone like gene simmons would wear on stage 😂
It's a joke. £32.50 is taking the Mickey and from that you don't even get all the options. It's only going to get worse too
The legions are old schooled, chapters are the new thing bro.
Worth every dollar mmmmmmm
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm beep beeep beeeep beeeeeep
it pisses me off that they have a T5. Imagine medium troops having a better thoughness than terminators
It really bugs me that "regular" Chaos marines are now taller (or at least the same height) and beefier than the Primaris. It just completely defeats the purpose of making them in the first place if GW ended up truescaling regular marines anyway with the new Chaos releases
Ahmadillo They are clearly not, as my many size comparisons show. More than happy to create a completely separate video explaining this though.
6th viewer. :)
This kit is really awfull from A to Z. Ugly, incomplete, not modular... and expensive. I am sure anyone who buy a box won't buy another one, and those who pre-ordered severals will be disapointed. Thanks for the review man.
Ugly? Lol ok chief. WRONG from A to Z
Agree with everything but the ugly part. I actually think they are great looking models but that's also part of the problem. They definitely are incomplete, and not modular at all. These models are monopose. Buy 5 of these units and tell me the champions aren't all in the same exact stance, with his foot on a rocky surface. Aside from their arms, their entire body is already pre determined, and you can't really cut and slice a whole lot because of the amazing detail, that you'll for sure screw up if you attempt. Even their heads have to be glued on a certain way, hilariously. I notice GW has been doing this non stop now, even the new Chaos Marines are monopose. Just a shame because they really are nice looking. With the older models I could do a lot more with them. Got one guy with a combat blade and a recently decapitated head in his other hand that he's holding by the hair. Got several other regular Chaos Marines holding or firing bolters with combat blades, and I even have another with only one arm with a knife, his other severed. I can't really do any of these creative things with these new models, so as far as I'm concerned, I'm mostly done collecting now for the most part. The glory days are definitely gone.
@@marcopena5117 2 years later, they still have 1 wound... Should we laugh or cry ? 😆