@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 but does it not hurt when the time comes to set it down and forge with a new one? An anvil can last longer than its owner and the years it holds is also the years its user has given it....ultimately it is just as much a loved one as a child is given the time of a parent. Just not conventionally loved.
@@ColdNorth0628 nope, its value is not as high as the purpose it is required to fulfill. An anvil/tool who diverts from its intended purpose deserves to be discarded.
The Emperor knowing he exists only in a book series written as commercials for plastic models and just not giving a shit is the most Emperor thing ever.
If that is how things unfold then nature has taken its course. The weak perished and the strong (or the smart) not only survived but thrived. Chaos cannot last forever, Order will always assert itself even if it takes until the end of the universe to do so. And that order will be brought by the dominant force that conquered all others. Their will enforced upon lesser beings This is the true nature of life. A battle for dominance that never truly ends. Even if one wins the war the passing of time will whittle them down until death becomes unavoidable. Then a new power, the strongest or smartest of what remains will fill the vacuum and their will becomes the new order. Victory, Failure, it doesn’t matter. The passing of time will erase both The cycle continues as a new force reigns supreme, enforcing their will, establishing order and dominion from chaos once more
Fuck no! They can’t. If you’re not licensed in first aid, but save someone’s life with it, you’re a hero. But if you fail, you’re charged with manslaughter. The Emperor is not God, but he’s trying to play God so that mankind may conquer the cosmos. Yet mankind cannot do that anymore than a sailor can conquer the ocean. Because the cosmic ocean is not meant to be conquered and belongs to nobody, and now mankind is doomed to a fate lost in the astral seas. The best mankind can do is the same as all that they have ever been able to do even before the Emperor’s time. Survive, endure, and ever pursue to best navigate the hardest of times. That is the Glory of Mankind. The Imago Dei: the Image of God.
the loyal primarchs are worthy not because of their abilities, but because they had the strenght to look past their father, look upon his dream for the galaxy, and abbandon all hopes of letting their life be their own, instead giving themselves wholly to the dream of an actually bring and hopeful future
Love that the BigE isn't really justifying himself, he's explain is point of view. He's not saying that the end justify the means, he's asking how don't we find it obvious, but in the end it doesn't matter what we think, what we say o even the fact that he's probably only part of a tale because this is HIS tale, his will... we can sit behind desk and phone talking about how he's a terrible father or making memes, but in the end we don't move the plot, he does.... And that my friends is truly some "4th-degree inter dimensional warp fuckery"
The Emperor had come to sacrifice many throughout his life against the forces of chaos and against the darkness of mankind and horrors of the Galaxy, and in many ways this forever shattered any hope for the Emperor to love his sons.
The entirety of Warhammer 40k really does feel like an autobiography of the Emperor. His galaxy through his perspective, yet seperate from his inner thoughts. Its like he said. We are the unseen readers, the narrative driven by a man who can see whole chapters ahead of the book, and yet blind to the see the big picture. His secrecy and neglect was his downfall. He failed to recognize his own hubris, similarly slain in mythical-like fashion. The lesser god, killing his senior. Like all the tales of old Terra. The Emperor is the greatest of us, and even He is not immune to the human condition.
The Emperor’s Lament on the Golden Throne(10,000 years after he made this speech): How foolish I was. I thought myself better than those leaders who came before me. But I am no different. I created life but didn’t want the responsibility. I saw them as tools instead of sons. I should have guided them, talked to them, LOVED them. I thought myself above those emotions. Above everyone. Now look at this Imperium. It is everything I hated, but I do not blame them. For I was the one who caused this. I thought in my arrogance I could guide humanity, but I damned them to endless war and suffering. My sons now monsters corrupted by Chaos, because of me. Lorgar was right about me. I am a god who plunged the galaxy into chaos because of my belief that I am right. Lion, Fulgrim, Perturabo, Jaghatai, Leman, Rogal, Konrad, Sanguinius, Ferrus, Angron, Roboute, Mortarion, Magnus, Horus, Lorgar, Vulkan, Corvus, Alpharius and Omegon, I am sorry.
(You forgot two.) And to those I have stricken from even my memory. You are both lost to oblivion now and I can never ask for your forgiveness. I have failed you all.
the father who will be there when humanity crumbles and needed him the most the father who never been there when his sons needed him the most the father who overstayed his welcome with his legacy only remembered as a faint light in the all consuming darkness the father who his only regret was not seeing the failings and imperfection of his own grant vision the father who will be there looking at the graves of his sons and of the people he sworn to protect
Deus/Consciousness personified. From what i gather, he did love his sons in the end. Case-and-point his hesitation to kill Horus, his leaway with his remaining sons after the erasing of the other two primarchs. This is his Superego speaking, trying to steel himself, to continue the enormess task to destroy the Chaos Gods and ensuring Humanity's survival. But in the end, he is still human and his conscience did have effect on his decisions. Such a tragic figur... surviving horrors and witness the visage of the eldrich horrors of the Chaos Gods. Then trying to end them and end Humanity's suffering from aliens, disease and in-fighting by any means necessary. He now suffers for the arrogance to try and do this. Like Christ on the cross, but for 10.000 years...
Some Eldar Farseer or something similar: “You show such hatred for my people, Emperor of the Mon’keigh, yet the fall of your imperium is not all that unlike the fall of our great empire. We believed ourselves perfect, beyond consequence, and without any relevant opposition. It is the hubris of both our species that brought down our once mighty empires. If only anyone would have learned from the mistakes of my dying race, perhaps then we could have peace… one way or another.” Feel free to critique and proofread this, people who have more experience in 40k writings. I have wanted to try it out but I’m still relatively new to the universe. (Also on this note if the person who runs the channel ever sees this it would be kinda cool to see some Eldar content if possible, from your resident Eldar enjoyer)
Some Necron Lord (Perhaps the Silent King himself) might chime in with: "We only succeeded in our time because we never overestimated ourselves or our own importance. We learned that lesson from centuries of watching our brothers, mothers, sisters and fathers go down to an early grave, burdened by sickness and shackled by disease. It's hard to develop an ego for yourself, let alone your race, when you spend your entire life wondering if this year could be your last. You learn what really matters in life, the little things, the simple things, just ask Trazyn about that! And now look at us, we stand as silver gods, immortal, untouchable by the weakness that once dragged us down. It came at great sacrifice and we would undo it in a heartbeat, but if you desire Ascension for your people Son of Mankind, you would be wise to look at our example. We achieved our own Ascension, the freedom from mortality that our ancestors dreamed of, and all we want is to go back. When you get down off that golden chair, Son of Mankind, take some time off. Refocus, ground yourself again. Go back to your childhood, what was important to you, what mattered the most? What did you really care about? There is wisdom there, golden one. Wisdom you have long forgotten in your quest to become an adult in the eyes of Eternity. Retire to a farm, take those of your sons who will still go with you. Reconnect with the land and the universe you so disdain as "beneath you." Like the farmer's field, the universe gives freely and abundantly to those who know how to care for it, and resists the scratchings of those who wish to plunder its wealth for themselves, with no thought for Eternity. You have seen the results of the latter, I advise you golden one, to try the former."
00:44 If he calls his sons tools, calls fatherhood a sugar-coated lie, then he truly is a bad father. If anything, he should know that even the lowliest human in His Imperium is potentially a better father than He could ever hope to be, and that it was this concept He so wrongfully calls a lie that has helped keeping the Imperium populated. This concept and others he would so dismissively push aside.
I realized that if the emperor had decided to actually love his sons, the horus heresy might have never happened. Horus and lorgar would have never forsaken him, angron would have been more stable... Humanity wouldnt be in the shape it is now. Some may have turned to chaos, but all in all humanity would have been far better off. Proof that a fathers love can drastically change the outcome in a mans life, and in turn those that man encounters.
As far as love, Lorgar definitely would’ve benefitted from it. Horus simply needed to learn why his father left the Great Crusade because he already loved his father and he was his favored son. Angron would’ve needed a completely different approach. If he wasn’t teleported into his ship watching his brothers and sisters die then he might’ve actually been loyal. Sure, he would’ve still seen the Emperor as a tyrant, but if his father understood where his son’s real family was, then he could’ve kept Angron at least partly loyal. It’s more than just loving his sons, it’s more about caring enough about them to not make decisions on their behalf’s without knowing the full picture.
I can see why it looks like that, but it seems to me like the Horus heresy would’ve happened regardless. If not from the emperor’s actions then the primarchs. Horus was tricked hard into falling because he saw a dark future where the emperor was worshiped as a god. And stabbed with a chaos knife. Fulgrim got a cursed sword that pretended to be his inner voice to eventually possess him. Lorgar was constantly told the emperor wasn’t a god, but only took his humble refusals as more proof. Mortarian was forced into being a traitor because of his first captain. And for the last one imma say something about. Angron was screwed the moment the butchers nails were implanted. It literally replaced parts of his brain to the point where even the emperor couldn’t remove them, and it was slowly killing him.
You have found it hard to understand your Father. You wish Him to be more… intelligible. I understand that. But do not be seduced by the scale of His power - He has sacrificed more than any of us, and He does not use it for Himself. A man may pursue a single goal and become the master of that endeavour, only to find himself weakened in all other pursuits. The Emperor battles daily with forces beyond understanding, yet you expect Him to retain a mortal sympathy.' The Sigillite shook his head. 'He walks the paths of eternity. Be thankful He is able to converse with you at all.'
"I serve Mankind in the ranks of the Guard, as an Ecclesiarch - a chaplain to the soldiers of mere man and woman who sacrifice themselves by the billion in the wars we Humanity face amidst the stars... And I have to admit: I. DESPISE. YOU. Notice that I despise YOU - the figure of Emperor, the ruler of the Imperium - but not your work, your objective, and above all, your IDEALS - of a free Humanity, unshackled by superstition, fear, ignorance and the slavery of Xenos, Mutant and gods. Why that? And you still ask? What was the legacy you left for us? An aborted dream, killed in its crib by YOUR ARROGANCE! We had been left behind the shattered pieces of a golden age thanks to your incapacity to see that, no matter how powerful a Human can be, it is still merely a HUMAN, and to see yourself differently is nothing more than betrayal of the worst kind. But even then, you left us with the bill - and the costs - of your pride: an Imperium drenched in ignorance, fear, blood and violence, all because you had commited the same mistake that every single tyrant and dictator, warlord and conqueror had committed throughout History, and it is that ONLY YOU KNOW BETTER! So, thanks to that, I DESPISE YOU, because you were supposed to BE BETTER, instead of a pathetic repetition of the same mistake! So, I pray not to you, but to the ideas you promissed us - a free Humanity, a united galaxy under our rule, a strong Imperium - because YOU, as an individual, proved to be a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE! So, I serve not YOU, but Humanity and your ideals. If the Inquisition find this treasonous or not, I care not - those are also a bunch of fools who fell for the same mistakes as yours, and still fall all the same as you. But my duty - to serve, protect and guide Humanity - is unquestionable, my loyalty without fault, and my faith is unwavering. And yet, I must ALWAYS remember this: you are a god IN NAME ONLY, but a mere Human, and because of that, capable of error. And if YOU can fail, so can I... For that, I thank you." - Ecclesiarchy Guardsman in a confessional diatribe towards his Servo-Skull during his personal prayers alone
" you gave too much of yourself, without realizing in your arrogance , you made yourself a father in truth , we are your sons , in everyway way." Gulliman
"Men who crave power...look back over the mistakes of their lives...pile them all together and call it destiny." The Sorceress of Grayskull, Masters of the Universe(1987)
Yes any great craftsman loves and cherishes his tools for he knows that his work depends on them. By ignoring individual in favour of the dream you have set an precedence for those who follow you, as well as treating your own humanity as a weakness. These are what truly created the hell that is Imperium, where fanaticism over the dream is more important than the means. We needn’t be better for we don’t matter, only the dream does. The Imperium is not the result of human weakness, it is build following your example. The dream is still beautiful, but I fear that your example has doomed it to be unreachable. (Great writing and voice choices as always Vox, looking forward the next one)
This shows that the emperor was a wasteful and short-sighted man. What good are your tools if you dont take care of them? If a Philips head is worn, how do you expect it to drive screws true? When an adjustable spanner is rusted to seizure, how will its diameter shift? When the saw blades' teeth are blunted, how can you expect it to cut? When a drill bit is worn, do you not take it to the grindstone to reshape and sharpen? If the ends truly justify the means of intent, the emperor would have ensured his "Tools" were in suitable condition before starting his work. Even then, his "workshop" wasn't in true order. With each part of his plan truly thought out, there wouldn't have been a heresy. Conclusion, the emperor wasn't just a bad father. He was a bad engineer.
"Do you upset me? Yes. Do I fear you? No. I fight for your subjects, your people. Not for you completely. And may the Inquisition find me wanting but I care not. My father, your Son, Sanguinius has taught us many things centuries after his death. The billions sacrificed for your dream, a worthy dream indeed, however needless that they must be sacrificed. Do they deserved not to be saved? Protected? Must they die because you simply deemed it to be so? I've seen too much to believe such thing, Emperor. We are Defenders of Humanity, and defend it I will. I will never fall to Chaos but I'll never fully bow to you neither! Roboute Guilliman, I follow him. In hopes that his dream surpasses yours. However similar it may seem to yours, I believe in him. And may he forgive me for what many would consider to be treasonous words..." -A Random [REDACTED] in response.
"I serve Mankind in the ranks of the Guard, as an Ecclesiarch - a chaplain to the soldiers of mere man and woman who sacrifice themselves by the billion in the wars we Humanity face amidst the stars... And I have to admit: I. DESPISE. YOU. Notice that I despise YOU - the figure of Emperor, the ruler of the Imperium - but not your work, your objective, and above all, your IDEALS - of a free Humanity, unshackled by superstition, fear, ignorance and the slavery of Xenos, Mutant and gods. Why that? And you still ask? What was the legacy you left for us? An aborted dream, killed in its crib by YOUR ARROGANCE. We had been left behind the shattered pieces of a golden age thanks to your incapacity to see that, no matter how powerful a Human can be, it is still merely a HUMAN, and to see yourself differently is nothing more than betrayal of the worst kind. But even then, you left us with the bill - and the costs - of your pride: an Imperium drenched in ignorance, fear, blood and violence, all because you had commited the same mistake that every single tyrant and dictator, warlord and conqueror had committed throughout History, and it is that ONLY YOU KNOW BETTER! So, thanks to that, I DESPISE YOU, because you were supposed to BE BETTER, instead of a pathetic repetition of the same mistake! So, I pray not to you, but to the ideas you promissed us - a free Humanity, a united galaxy under our rule, a strong Imperium - because YOU, as an individual, proved to be a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE. So, I serve not YOU, but Humanity and your ideals. If the Inquisition find this treasonous or not, I care not - those are also a bunch of fools who fell for the same mistakes as yours, and still fall all the same as you. But my duty - to serve, protect and guide Humanity - is unquestionable, my loyalty without fault, and my faith is unwavering. And yet, I must ALWAYS remember this: you are a god IN NAME ONLY, but a mere Human, and because of that, capable of error. And if YOU can fail, so can I... For that, I thank you." - Ecclesiarchy Guardsman in a confessional diatribe towards his Servo-Skull during his personal prayers alone
"but remember, the prism if perspective warps the light of truth".. We get that emperor but we can only judge whether your actions are justified by how we perceive them, and also, who's truth are we talking about here, yours or ours? What you may perceive as being true won't necessarily be what we the viewers (as you refer to us) perceive to be. You see, it's all about the very thing that you want to disregard, and that thing is perspective.
@@StarboyXL9 At least, as far as we know. As a child, he killed his uncle, Ragnar. Allegedly. The lore is intentionally misleading, so I'm doubtful Enoch is his real name. :/
I’m not sure if anyone knows if the emperor feels this exact way. Seems whoever he is speaking with twists his image and his intentions to match their desires. Granted it’s very likely these are his thoughts on the primarchs.
Artists love their brushes, Blacksmiths love their anvil's because it is their's and with out them they are nothing with out them they are not an Artist or a Blacksmith and without your Sons the Primarchs are you the Emperor. No what you fear is the sacrifice of your dream of a better future for humanity something that will never come because of this fear because of you couldn't love. The truth is Humanity does not need science, an emperor, nor gods it only needs one thing. Love unconditional Love and that is why you failed and half of them fell and betrays you and why Humanity calls you a God. You've doomed Humanity because you could not love and now you pay for it you are what you hated long live the God Emperor of Man Kind...
Except you forgot, one vital detail. The gods are real. In fact, after a good 10,000 years of the imperial cult, one of them looks a lot like you. It even has daemons that call themselves “the Legion of the Damned.“
The text from the first minute and a half of the video, is it taken from ABD's "Master of Mankind" novel? I recall reading something similar but can't remember the source.
Well Emperor had many immortal children in his long lifetime, they are called Sensei. He was never a good father, he impregnated their moms and probably upon hearing about their pregnancy, he left them. What can one do, when you are immortal, you have so much power, relations and human stuffs look irrelevant. 😅
It is my firm belief that the emperor of mankind in warhammer 40K is an anti-Christ figure. Where Christ loves, the emperor uses and discards, where Jesus took on our suffering, the emperor forced others to suffer, where Jesus showed dignity to even the most lost and forgotten, the emperor ignored them as disposable, and where Jesus humbled Himself and was raised to glory after the cross, the emperor glorified himself and fell to a hell on earth of his own making.
You dont get to descide not to be a father. By creating your primarchs you became a father. Your dereliction of the duties associated with that changes nothing.
„Does a blacksmith loves his anvil? Does an artist love his brush?” My Man was alive for past 45 thousand years and apparently never met an actual artist with favorite tools they love and adore. Just speak plainly Big E. You grew up without a Dad, and became a shit Dad, focing on the ends, but not the means because. Oh right „Because I know I am right.” (Last Church) But sure sure, it was about your Grand design. Or, you could say, your Greater Good.
Sure an Artist can love his tools but they are just that, tools. He does not love them the way a father loves his sons. Tools eventually break or be lost. He may come to regret that but he has no qualms disposing of replacing them with better ones if necessary.
My favorite tool is my PC. I built her myself from parts I bought. I've upgraded her over the years to keep her up to speed with the games I play. She is like a beloved pet to me. I refer to her by name in private company sometimes, and think of her by name often. Yes, I have named her, and assigned a gender even. She is my favorite tool and my closest and best companion. She has never betrayed me, only ever failed me. I love her as much as a man can love a machine, and if I could bring her to life and give her sentience I would in a heartbeat. Emps obviously never experienced this.
@@firasempire5294 Tell that to ppl like Akira Toriyama who loved his brush so much that when he lost it he decided to give up on drawing manga. You can love an object depending on the circumstances. For example. What if your mother died and the only thing you have left from her is a necklace she always wore? This happened to my mother.
I will not believe this is The Emperor. I cannot accept that he truly never cared. It cuts the wind from the wings of the Imperium quick as lightening. In one fell swoop, it renders all the horrific suffering utterly meaningless.
Lots of daddy issues in the comment section. He gave them EVERYTHING, he bestowed them with immense powers, intelligence, strength, nobility, and sensitivity, he made them privy to greatness and the ideas of his own mind, yet they STILL found a way to betray him, to let him down, and to waste away his gifts. Weak, shameless, and foolish. What a waste, what a tragedy.
I agree , the comment section acts as if he can afford to give love , as if he has time. He is not some labourer , or scholar who after his shift comes home , he took upon himself the greatest task , to unify mankind and reclaim the galaxy for their own. If there ever was to be love and affection, it would have been when they were children , not now. He found them as adults , as men with their views and beliefs formed. It is a miracle that every one of them followed him but they couldnt have expected him to take them on a picnic , not when the Great Crusade is under way. That time was lost when they were stolen from him. He never called himself their father , only allowed them to call him that. He was creator and Emperor , those who came to terms with that endured , those who didnt failed and in their childish petulence turned on their kind.
The problem I see here is that it makes what I can only call a typical mistake of the modern age: that prosperity and power can buy loyalty, even in the face of arrogance and abuse. Should Lorgar care for all the nobility, intelligence, and sensitivity bestowed on him when the city he used those powers to build was burned before his eyes for not meeting the emperor's vision? Should Angron care for his immense power when he was ripped away from his only real family and taken to butcher hapless populations across the galaxy while leading an army of strangers? Should Konrad Curze or Perturabo give their loyalty for being made privy to the emperor's greatness or his ideas when they'd been stuck with the unenviable tasks of becoming his most hated and feared attack dog or being sent to rot in the mud for decades and centuries while other legions garnered glory or had a chance to actually build things of splendor. As for Horus, he and his brothers had apparently witnessed two of their own being unpersoned. Its hard to blame someone for succumbing to the offer of Chaos when the thought their own master turning on them, killing them and those they care about, and burning their memory seems within the realm of reason. That's what everyone is pointing out. Even I mentioned under the last video that the Primarchs aren't entirely human to the point of being somewhat like specialized supercomputers, yet I also have to recognize that within the world of 40k, they're autonomous agents with their own values, ideas, and agendas (influenced at least in part by that programming) and if they find their ideas and agendas thwarted in favor of being treated by extensions of the emperor's will, with no bonds of actual love or mutual loyalty or respect to keep ambition and bitterness in check...well we see what happened once an opportunity presented itself.
@@morgant.dulaman8733 Dont act as if other primarchs didnt have issues of their own. Ferrus was fighting to protect those he said were weak and yet he stood up to the task. Corvus was fighting for an authoritative regime even though he was for liberation and freedom but came to terms that the Imperium and His vision were the best solution around. Jaghatai waited and weighed all the options infront of him and decided to stay loyal because all other primarchs that joined have joined out if their own selfish reasons and not for humanitys good. Vulkan saw all the murder happening in his name and disliked it but he understood that it was in some situations the only way forward and that the Imperium was the only power fighting for humanity. All of them could have turned on reasons of ideology and yet they didnt. They stuck it out. Yes the galaxy is a harsh place and personal indulgence is not something the Emperor or his sons have time for. And dont get me started on Istvaan III , all that warm hearted feelings and understanding you have for the traitors , are their own sons who were loyal to the ideals of the Emperor at fault as well?
@@numenoreaneternity6682 No, he designed them to back him up while He led humanity. Its a small difference on paper, but a galaxy-shattering one in practice. And I don't care if you call them daddy issues or personal demons: pull rank on someone enough times to thwart their plans or shut them up, and they'll start getting irritated. Burn their projects to the ground, and they'll get mad. Leave them thinking you'll kill them the second they're inconvenient, and simple self-preservation would get them to consider alternatives (even if those alternatives have horns and tentacles and snort fire and brimstone while offering clawed hands to shake). Do I think it was ultimately justified? No. Do I think the emperor never bothering to have a relationship with his creations or even promising an attempt at something along those lines when the crusade was over made things worse and made his sons more apt to fall when presented with temptation? Oh most definitely yes. Further, (and if you're interested, like I mentioned, there's a fuller explanation under the last video), I think its important to remember the primarchs are, for lack of a better phrase, pre-programed to think and act in certain ways, even if it doesn't entirely make sense to us, almost to the point of being like supercomputers. This shaped them and how they responded to certain stimuli and factors in their lives. For example, Konrad was programmed to think of things through the lens of justice, then had the bad fortune to fall in a criminal world where he had to build that concept of justice through the ground up. Naturally, this left him with an...interesting notion of what constituted justice before the emperor even met him. This, in conjunction with his fatalistic understanding of his visions, left him predisposed to deal with things in a manner that at times seemed irrational, such as the destruction of Nostramo, though from his programming and conditioning, bringing that kind of destruction down on a city to halt the influence it had on his legion seemed perfectly reasonable and moral. This is the problem: the primarchs aren't entirely human and think in a manner that's somewhat outside our understanding, but they're still human enough to make human mistakes and require correction, but when they're just treated as tools or extensions of the emperor's will, as well as given contradictory or confusing information (such as regards to why they were purging seemingly harmless religious elements without knowing how chaos works), its hardly surprising they started distrusting the emperor, or that they eventually started acting like HAL from space Odysee and said "I can't let you do that" to the emperor. For this reason, I think for all the family talk, one might consider the Emperor's folly to be similar to Dr. Frankenstein mixed with runaway AI: the emperor created (pre-programmed) life without thinking through what he was doing, tried using his creations once he found them without getting them on track with how he originally envisioned them or trying to foster proper trust, then got surprised when some of his creations went rogue. Granted in this case it was burning a galaxy rather than strangling a kid, but still.
What gets me, having listened to this a few times, is the emperor's complete inability to notice the agency others have in this drama, from his primarchs, to normal humans, to the various xenos and Chaos itself. Perhaps its my own beliefs creating a bias but no, the overwhelming majority of humanity does not and never will want a "godless utopia." No, his primarchs are not just tools, and they have the ability to make major decisions that impede the emperor's plans. No, humanity cannot claim rights to the stars unless one means by right of conquest, a right that the fallen eldar, ever militant orks, and various other xenos can lay claim to. And no, Chaos will never sit back and let any mortal, no matter how powerful, style himself as the playwright or puppeteer to a story where they know the end involves their demise. I wonder if the emperor would have known this all at some point. Others claim it is his giving up a part of humanity or other factors, or that he planned for all this, and while I think there's some truth to that if his games with Malcador are to be believed, I think there's something to be said for a long streak of winning. I think that conquering a galaxy and having most of humanity (at least those who've survived) wait on your every word does things to a man's perception of himself and those around him. If it goes on long enough, it can make even the best think they're unbeatable...until they find otherwise. After all, "prism of perspective warps the light of truth."
does the trillions of lives and the prosperity counteract the tens of thousands dead? No the puppeteer is not absolved of their deeds even for the great play that they orchestrated and its final result. Each evil inflicted plants seeds for new evils, even when they are done to eradicate an evil thing. The truth is that good is the only cure for ill that lasts, and also that evil is needed because good cannot force change.
you know i kinda get it listening to this, the "God Emperor" having a goal of bringing humanity to the apex of galatic dominance sure he's abolishing anything that involved religion and myths but it's to keep humanity on track not to let their thoughts sway for questions (even tho the questions we ask is mostly about our place in this theater of the universe) but i have to admit his logic is also fucked up, about his sons compairing them to tools rather then his decendances. i would accept that his wife did the right thing sending her children away, away from their "Father" she wants them to live as people not as soilders in a war they would struggle to survive Warp sake, i would even accept that in some where in the universe the wife is playing her own role being the only caring parent there is as she would become a goddess of death for 2 reasons 1. to stand against her "husband" with a army greater then his own of souls of humans out numbering the imperium 1 to a billion 2. to finally see her sons and tell them all of her love and care even if they have questions of their own she would want them all back so she can keep them eternally
Love this but this personifies my only complaint with the imperium. The Emperor is supposed to be charismatic but he couldn't convince a starving dog to come to him with a steak in hand. Even Konrad is more likeable then the emperor.
I will follow the Emperor and his angelic son into hell itself and die against the manifestations of the warp if need be in order to spread the imperial truth! There are no such things as gods, angels, or demons..
Hot take: I don't fault the Emperor and his thinking. He can appreciate what the Primarchs were meant to do/be and doesn't have to love them any more for it. The Primarchs were created for a purpose, war. Anything beyond that is an extra feature.
Interesting take, Nikolai I think it varies on perspective, as I see a lot of people having a lot of varying opinions on the matter. I however feel as though that the Emperor lost so much of what made him human, he forgot that his tools of war were still...well...human. Humans with emotions, free will, desires, and dreams beyond the war. He was so driven by his pursuit to save humanity, he forgot how many mistakes he ignored within his sons and sects of the Imperium
@@voxcasttonowhereofficial The battle of perspectives is always a perpetual one, as opinions and thoughts will always be existent. The fact that the Emperor created the Primarchs with their own quirks, strengths and specialties is a reminder that he understood them to be complicated beings. That he at one point did imagine them using these gifts to better the whole of humanity. If he forgot that after the many sacrifices he had to make and setbacks he had to deal with, I don't fault him for it. A chef may love and appreciate all of the eggs that are needed to create an omelette, but ultimately he recognizes that the omelette he makes is made for a purpose: to feed either himself.
Big E: “Does a blacksmith love his anvil?”
Vulkan: “uhhhh, yeah. Yeah I do. What’s your point?”
A blacksmith might love an anvil, but that doesn't change the fact that it is replaceable.
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 they are definitely not cheap to replace though, but then again they are quite durable
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 but does it not hurt when the time comes to set it down and forge with a new one? An anvil can last longer than its owner and the years it holds is also the years its user has given it....ultimately it is just as much a loved one as a child is given the time of a parent. Just not conventionally loved.
@@ColdNorth0628 nope, its value is not as high as the purpose it is required to fulfill. An anvil/tool who diverts from its intended purpose deserves to be discarded.
That is precisely his point. He loves them the way a blacksmith loves his hammer or anvil or a painter his brush
The Emperor knowing he exists only in a book series written as commercials for plastic models and just not giving a shit is the most Emperor thing ever.
The emperor may only exist in fiction. But the Imperial truth is truth in any universe.
You forgot overly expensive plastic models.
"T-thanks dad"
-Perturabo hiding his handcrafted father's day present for big E
Oh no...
He wanted to play a game of Battlemace 40 Million with Daddy dearest but Daddy's too busy conquering the Galaxy to care.
@@alfatazer_8991battlemace 40 million 😂😂😂
tears in my eyes, and it isn't the sweat or the pungent soap in my eyes.
And i bet that Vulkan and Ferrus helped him make it.
Man if Logar heard that, he wouldn't need Erebus to turn traitor.
That’s a lot of words to just say “fuck you kids, raise yourselves, you’re on your own”
also: "look guys, the goal totally justify the means, now let's get this crusade rolling"
"The prism of perspective warps the light of truth" that line is stunning.
The ends justifying the means is one thing, but what if you don't succeed? The ends cannot justify failure.
That is a question "great men" need to ask themselves more. Beware the powers you give unto your leaders, for they are never given back freely
If that is how things unfold then nature has taken its course. The weak perished and the strong (or the smart) not only survived but thrived. Chaos cannot last forever, Order will always assert itself even if it takes until the end of the universe to do so. And that order will be brought by the dominant force that conquered all others. Their will enforced upon lesser beings
This is the true nature of life. A battle for dominance that never truly ends. Even if one wins the war the passing of time will whittle them down until death becomes unavoidable. Then a new power, the strongest or smartest of what remains will fill the vacuum and their will becomes the new order. Victory, Failure, it doesn’t matter. The passing of time will erase both
The cycle continues as a new force reigns supreme, enforcing their will, establishing order and dominion from chaos once more
Fuck no! They can’t.
If you’re not licensed in first aid, but save someone’s life with it, you’re a hero. But if you fail, you’re charged with manslaughter.
The Emperor is not God, but he’s trying to play God so that mankind may conquer the cosmos.
Yet mankind cannot do that anymore than a sailor can conquer the ocean. Because the cosmic ocean is not meant to be conquered and belongs to nobody, and now mankind is doomed to a fate lost in the astral seas.
The best mankind can do is the same as all that they have ever been able to do even before the Emperor’s time. Survive, endure, and ever pursue to best navigate the hardest of times. That is the Glory of Mankind. The Imago Dei: the Image of God.
the loyal primarchs are worthy not because of their abilities, but because they had the strenght to look past their father, look upon his dream for the galaxy, and abbandon all hopes of letting their life be their own, instead giving themselves wholly to the dream of an actually bring and hopeful future
The bigger picture!
Ten thousand years later, and those tears he cries aren’t just for the fallen. They’re also tears of regret.
“My sons…my sons…”
"My Imperium." He says...Lorgar is seething somewhere in the Great Eye, i swear.
Not to mention Malcador. The emperor was primarily focused on human ascension, while Malcador was the one who wanted to keep the Imperium alive.
I said it before and I'll say it again, you're writing is phenomenal! Worthy of a true 40k novel!
Love that the BigE isn't really justifying himself, he's explain is point of view. He's not saying that the end justify the means, he's asking how don't we find it obvious, but in the end it doesn't matter what we think, what we say o even the fact that he's probably only part of a tale because this is HIS tale, his will... we can sit behind desk and phone talking about how he's a terrible father or making memes, but in the end we don't move the plot, he does....
And that my friends is truly some "4th-degree inter dimensional warp fuckery"
The Emperor had come to sacrifice many throughout his life against the forces of chaos and against the darkness of mankind and horrors of the Galaxy, and in many ways this forever shattered any hope for the Emperor to love his sons.
Emperor loved his sons. No matter what he said or did to suppress it. He loved them.
I will die on this hill.
Oh Emperor
If only you understood just what your callousness would bring about
Malcador watching the Emperor rant to himself to cope with the fact he did not receive any presents or messages from his sons on Father’s Day: 🥤🧙♂️🍿
Probably my favorite words ever written from the perspective of the Emperor. Hats off, dude, hats off. It's damn inspirational when I'm writing.
The entirety of Warhammer 40k really does feel like an autobiography of the Emperor. His galaxy through his perspective, yet seperate from his inner thoughts. Its like he said. We are the unseen readers, the narrative driven by a man who can see whole chapters ahead of the book, and yet blind to the see the big picture. His secrecy and neglect was his downfall. He failed to recognize his own hubris, similarly slain in mythical-like fashion. The lesser god, killing his senior. Like all the tales of old Terra.
The Emperor is the greatest of us, and even He is not immune to the human condition.
I love how you gave emps Jonathan Keeble's voice
I can see the Emperor doing this in cannon. Well done 👍
Dude, just give Angron a hug and tell him everything is going to be okay. That could change everything for him, and cost you nothing.
by holy terra! This was such a great piece. Litteral chills listening to this. Oh yeah, happy father's day LOL.
"Perhaps one day you will understand." Of all the Emperor's sins, perhaps his greatest sin is to deny his own humanity, his own flaws.
The Emperor’s Lament on the Golden Throne(10,000 years after he made this speech):
How foolish I was. I thought myself better than those leaders who came before me. But I am no different. I created life but didn’t want the responsibility. I saw them as tools instead of sons. I should have guided them, talked to them, LOVED them. I thought myself above those emotions. Above everyone. Now look at this Imperium. It is everything I hated, but I do not blame them. For I was the one who caused this. I thought in my arrogance I could guide humanity, but I damned them to endless war and suffering. My sons now monsters corrupted by Chaos, because of me. Lorgar was right about me. I am a god who plunged the galaxy into chaos because of my belief that I am right. Lion, Fulgrim, Perturabo, Jaghatai, Leman, Rogal, Konrad, Sanguinius, Ferrus, Angron, Roboute, Mortarion, Magnus, Horus, Lorgar, Vulkan, Corvus, Alpharius and Omegon, I am sorry.
(You forgot two.)
And to those I have stricken from even my memory. You are both lost to oblivion now and I can never ask for your forgiveness. I have failed you all.
@@SignedWithBlood (I didn’t forget. Just didn’t want to mention the ones lost)
Man, everyone who comments on this channel are such incredible writers!
the father who will be there when humanity crumbles and needed him the most
the father who never been there when his sons needed him the most
the father who overstayed his welcome with his legacy only remembered as a faint light in the all consuming darkness
the father who his only regret was not seeing the failings and imperfection of his own grant vision
the father who will be there looking at the graves of his sons and of the people he sworn to protect
the father whose sons failed him
@@evilabelincoln3787the father who failed his sons.
@@SignedWithBlood both are correct
it aint over till the last fat cherub sings
@@BKFundicion87No. Only the second one is correct, moreso than the first.
The Big E : father
Rogal Dorn : Dadorable
By the emperor, that was fucking good. I will put this on repeat for the next few hours at least.
Deus/Consciousness personified.
From what i gather, he did love his sons in the end. Case-and-point his hesitation to kill Horus, his leaway with his remaining sons after the erasing of the other two primarchs.
This is his Superego speaking, trying to steel himself, to continue the enormess task to destroy the Chaos Gods and ensuring Humanity's survival.
But in the end, he is still human and his conscience did have effect on his decisions.
Such a tragic figur... surviving horrors and witness the visage of the eldrich horrors of the Chaos Gods. Then trying to end them and end Humanity's suffering from aliens, disease and in-fighting by any means necessary.
He now suffers for the arrogance to try and do this. Like Christ on the cross, but for 10.000 years...
Some Eldar Farseer or something similar:
“You show such hatred for my people, Emperor of the Mon’keigh, yet the fall of your imperium is not all that unlike the fall of our great empire. We believed ourselves perfect, beyond consequence, and without any relevant opposition. It is the hubris of both our species that brought down our once mighty empires. If only anyone would have learned from the mistakes of my dying race, perhaps then we could have peace… one way or another.”
Feel free to critique and proofread this, people who have more experience in 40k writings. I have wanted to try it out but I’m still relatively new to the universe. (Also on this note if the person who runs the channel ever sees this it would be kinda cool to see some Eldar content if possible, from your resident Eldar enjoyer)
Some Necron Lord (Perhaps the Silent King himself) might chime in with: "We only succeeded in our time because we never overestimated ourselves or our own importance. We learned that lesson from centuries of watching our brothers, mothers, sisters and fathers go down to an early grave, burdened by sickness and shackled by disease. It's hard to develop an ego for yourself, let alone your race, when you spend your entire life wondering if this year could be your last. You learn what really matters in life, the little things, the simple things, just ask Trazyn about that! And now look at us, we stand as silver gods, immortal, untouchable by the weakness that once dragged us down. It came at great sacrifice and we would undo it in a heartbeat, but if you desire Ascension for your people Son of Mankind, you would be wise to look at our example. We achieved our own Ascension, the freedom from mortality that our ancestors dreamed of, and all we want is to go back.
When you get down off that golden chair, Son of Mankind, take some time off. Refocus, ground yourself again. Go back to your childhood, what was important to you, what mattered the most? What did you really care about? There is wisdom there, golden one. Wisdom you have long forgotten in your quest to become an adult in the eyes of Eternity. Retire to a farm, take those of your sons who will still go with you. Reconnect with the land and the universe you so disdain as "beneath you." Like the farmer's field, the universe gives freely and abundantly to those who know how to care for it, and resists the scratchings of those who wish to plunder its wealth for themselves, with no thought for Eternity. You have seen the results of the latter, I advise you golden one, to try the former."
"18 sons in name" Dude, you had 21.
18 sons IN NAME the other 3 don't have any names.
He's talking about Omegon
@memester johnson what 3 are you talking about??
@@RogueSanta the 2 killed during the first cruzade and Omegon, the twin brother of alpharius
@Ezequiel Morales he said "3 don't have any names"
As a minture painter i do indeed love my brushs
This is absolutely awesome. This is the kind of writing I aspire to achieve!!
Don't wait, get to the writin!
You can do far better and all it takes is to do it and keep at it
@@voxcasttonowhereofficial thank you
He doesn’t love the Primarchs true but he loves humanity
00:44
If he calls his sons tools, calls fatherhood a sugar-coated lie, then he truly is a bad father.
If anything, he should know that even the lowliest human in His Imperium is potentially a better father than He could ever hope to be, and that it was this concept He so wrongfully calls a lie that has helped keeping the Imperium populated. This concept and others he would so dismissively push aside.
That was fantastic, I was expecting a spoof got a masterpiece.
I realized that if the emperor had decided to actually love his sons, the horus heresy might have never happened. Horus and lorgar would have never forsaken him, angron would have been more stable... Humanity wouldnt be in the shape it is now. Some may have turned to chaos, but all in all humanity would have been far better off. Proof that a fathers love can drastically change the outcome in a mans life, and in turn those that man encounters.
As far as love, Lorgar definitely would’ve benefitted from it. Horus simply needed to learn why his father left the Great Crusade because he already loved his father and he was his favored son. Angron would’ve needed a completely different approach. If he wasn’t teleported into his ship watching his brothers and sisters die then he might’ve actually been loyal. Sure, he would’ve still seen the Emperor as a tyrant, but if his father understood where his son’s real family was, then he could’ve kept Angron at least partly loyal. It’s more than just loving his sons, it’s more about caring enough about them to not make decisions on their behalf’s without knowing the full picture.
@@bluedog843 true.
I can see why it looks like that, but it seems to me like the Horus heresy would’ve happened regardless. If not from the emperor’s actions then the primarchs.
Horus was tricked hard into falling because he saw a dark future where the emperor was worshiped as a god. And stabbed with a chaos knife.
Fulgrim got a cursed sword that pretended to be his inner voice to eventually possess him.
Lorgar was constantly told the emperor wasn’t a god, but only took his humble refusals as more proof.
Mortarian was forced into being a traitor because of his first captain.
And for the last one imma say something about. Angron was screwed the moment the butchers nails were implanted. It literally replaced parts of his brain to the point where even the emperor couldn’t remove them, and it was slowly killing him.
You have found it hard to understand your Father. You wish Him to be more… intelligible. I understand that. But do not be seduced by the scale of His power - He has sacrificed more than any of us, and He does not use it for Himself. A man may pursue a single goal and become the master of that endeavour, only to find himself weakened in all other pursuits. The Emperor battles daily with forces beyond understanding, yet you expect Him to retain a mortal sympathy.' The Sigillite shook his head. 'He walks the paths of eternity. Be thankful He is able to converse with you at all.'
"I serve Mankind in the ranks of the Guard, as an Ecclesiarch - a chaplain to the soldiers of mere man and woman who sacrifice themselves by the billion in the wars we Humanity face amidst the stars...
And I have to admit: I. DESPISE. YOU.
Notice that I despise YOU - the figure of Emperor, the ruler of the Imperium - but not your work, your objective, and above all, your IDEALS - of a free Humanity, unshackled by superstition, fear, ignorance and the slavery of Xenos, Mutant and gods.
Why that? And you still ask?
What was the legacy you left for us? An aborted dream, killed in its crib by YOUR ARROGANCE!
We had been left behind the shattered pieces of a golden age thanks to your incapacity to see that, no matter how powerful a Human can be, it is still merely a HUMAN, and to see yourself differently is nothing more than betrayal of the worst kind.
But even then, you left us with the bill - and the costs - of your pride: an Imperium drenched in ignorance, fear, blood and violence, all because you had commited the same mistake that every single tyrant and dictator, warlord and conqueror had committed throughout History, and it is that ONLY YOU KNOW BETTER!
So, thanks to that, I DESPISE YOU, because you were supposed to BE BETTER, instead of a pathetic repetition of the same mistake!
So, I pray not to you, but to the ideas you promissed us - a free Humanity, a united galaxy under our rule, a strong Imperium - because YOU, as an individual, proved to be a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE!
So, I serve not YOU, but Humanity and your ideals.
If the Inquisition find this treasonous or not, I care not - those are also a bunch of fools who fell for the same mistakes as yours, and still fall all the same as you.
But my duty - to serve, protect and guide Humanity - is unquestionable, my loyalty without fault, and my faith is unwavering.
And yet, I must ALWAYS remember this: you are a god IN NAME ONLY, but a mere Human, and because of that, capable of error.
And if YOU can fail, so can I...
For that, I thank you."
- Ecclesiarchy Guardsman in a confessional diatribe towards his Servo-Skull during his personal prayers alone
Primarch #2- Wow.....didn't even get counted among the rest....love you to Dad...
"No it is not Emperor, for your dream lies on a fundation of lies, and lies always crumble, like your dream has!"
Well done. Poetry to be sure!
No Happy Father's Day to you. You are not a father.
But djeez, the writing is phenomenal.
Wow deep,honest, and brutal ❤
Yeah my dad pretty much gave me the same spiel when i asked if he loved me
" you gave too much of yourself, without realizing in your arrogance , you made yourself a father in truth , we are your sons , in everyway way."
Gulliman
"Men who crave power...look back over the mistakes of their lives...pile them all together and call it destiny." The Sorceress of Grayskull, Masters of the Universe(1987)
Yes any great craftsman loves and cherishes his tools for he knows that his work depends on them. By ignoring individual in favour of the dream you have set an precedence for those who follow you, as well as treating your own humanity as a weakness. These are what truly created the hell that is Imperium, where fanaticism over the dream is more important than the means. We needn’t be better for we don’t matter, only the dream does. The Imperium is not the result of human weakness, it is build following your example. The dream is still beautiful, but I fear that your example has doomed it to be unreachable. (Great writing and voice choices as always Vox, looking forward the next one)
This shows that the emperor was a wasteful and short-sighted man. What good are your tools if you dont take care of them? If a Philips head is worn, how do you expect it to drive screws true? When an adjustable spanner is rusted to seizure, how will its diameter shift? When the saw blades' teeth are blunted, how can you expect it to cut? When a drill bit is worn, do you not take it to the grindstone to reshape and sharpen? If the ends truly justify the means of intent, the emperor would have ensured his "Tools" were in suitable condition before starting his work. Even then, his "workshop" wasn't in true order. With each part of his plan truly thought out, there wouldn't have been a heresy. Conclusion, the emperor wasn't just a bad father. He was a bad engineer.
This was marvelous !!!
Alright who let the corpse emperor cook
and more reason on why again Sigmar is the best God and Emperor of mankind, something Lil E will never ever get to be nor deserves to be
"Do you upset me? Yes. Do I fear you? No. I fight for your subjects, your people. Not for you completely. And may the Inquisition find me wanting but I care not. My father, your Son, Sanguinius has taught us many things centuries after his death. The billions sacrificed for your dream, a worthy dream indeed, however needless that they must be sacrificed. Do they deserved not to be saved? Protected? Must they die because you simply deemed it to be so? I've seen too much to believe such thing, Emperor. We are Defenders of Humanity, and defend it I will. I will never fall to Chaos but I'll never fully bow to you neither!
Roboute Guilliman, I follow him. In hopes that his dream surpasses yours. However similar it may seem to yours, I believe in him. And may he forgive me for what many would consider to be treasonous words..."
-A Random [REDACTED] in response.
Damn this is just as well written as the video itself, well done! 👏👏
This guardsman here approves of the Blood Angel's stance, and will stand by him.
"I serve Mankind in the ranks of the Guard, as an Ecclesiarch - a chaplain to the soldiers of mere man and woman who sacrifice themselves by the billion in the wars we Humanity face amidst the stars...
And I have to admit: I. DESPISE. YOU.
Notice that I despise YOU - the figure of Emperor, the ruler of the Imperium - but not your work, your objective, and above all, your IDEALS - of a free Humanity, unshackled by superstition, fear, ignorance and the slavery of Xenos, Mutant and gods.
Why that? And you still ask?
What was the legacy you left for us? An aborted dream, killed in its crib by YOUR ARROGANCE.
We had been left behind the shattered pieces of a golden age thanks to your incapacity to see that, no matter how powerful a Human can be, it is still merely a HUMAN, and to see yourself differently is nothing more than betrayal of the worst kind.
But even then, you left us with the bill - and the costs - of your pride: an Imperium drenched in ignorance, fear, blood and violence, all because you had commited the same mistake that every single tyrant and dictator, warlord and conqueror had committed throughout History, and it is that ONLY YOU KNOW BETTER!
So, thanks to that, I DESPISE YOU, because you were supposed to BE BETTER, instead of a pathetic repetition of the same mistake!
So, I pray not to you, but to the ideas you promissed us - a free Humanity, a united galaxy under our rule, a strong Imperium - because YOU, as an individual, proved to be a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE.
So, I serve not YOU, but Humanity and your ideals.
If the Inquisition find this treasonous or not, I care not - those are also a bunch of fools who fell for the same mistakes as yours, and still fall all the same as you.
But my duty - to serve, protect and guide Humanity - is unquestionable, my loyalty without fault, and my faith is unwavering.
And yet, I must ALWAYS remember this: you are a god IN NAME ONLY, but a mere Human, and because of that, capable of error.
And if YOU can fail, so can I...
For that, I thank you."
- Ecclesiarchy Guardsman in a confessional diatribe towards his Servo-Skull during his personal prayers alone
Bro really said:
✍️🔥🔥🔥
@@Jamhael1Ludonarrative mistake Very gay. But you have talent
"but remember, the prism if perspective warps the light of truth".. We get that emperor but we can only judge whether your actions are justified by how we perceive them, and also, who's truth are we talking about here, yours or ours? What you may perceive as being true won't necessarily be what we the viewers (as you refer to us) perceive to be. You see, it's all about the very thing that you want to disregard, and that thing is perspective.
"God is Cringe" - The Emperor of Mankind
...I... have no words to blurt.
Such is your arrogance, Enoch.
Jaghatai warned Malcador what their arrogance would bring. So did Uriah.
And look how it all ended
His name is Enoch? Fitting.
@@StarboyXL9 At least, as far as we know.
As a child, he killed his uncle, Ragnar. Allegedly.
The lore is intentionally misleading, so I'm doubtful Enoch is his real name. :/
I’m not sure if anyone knows if the emperor feels this exact way. Seems whoever he is speaking with twists his image and his intentions to match their desires. Granted it’s very likely these are his thoughts on the primarchs.
The background music is perfect for this
do u know the name?
Artists love their brushes, Blacksmiths love their anvil's because it is their's and with out them they are nothing with out them they are not an Artist or a Blacksmith and without your Sons the Primarchs are you the Emperor. No what you fear is the sacrifice of your dream of a better future for humanity something that will never come because of this fear because of you couldn't love. The truth is Humanity does not need science, an emperor, nor gods it only needs one thing. Love unconditional Love and that is why you failed and half of them fell and betrays you and why Humanity calls you a God. You've doomed Humanity because you could not love and now you pay for it you are what you hated long live the God Emperor of Man Kind...
Except you forgot, one vital detail. The gods are real. In fact, after a good 10,000 years of the imperial cult, one of them looks a lot like you. It even has daemons that call themselves “the Legion of the Damned.“
The text from the first minute and a half of the video, is it taken from ABD's "Master of Mankind" novel? I recall reading something similar but can't remember the source.
No it's not, but this whole video is inspired by that book ^_^
Brutal, beautiful.
Damn this parody is on another level
18 you say…….right…..
Well Emperor had many immortal children in his long lifetime, they are called Sensei. He was never a good father, he impregnated their moms and probably upon hearing about their pregnancy, he left them. What can one do, when you are immortal, you have so much power, relations and human stuffs look irrelevant. 😅
It is my firm belief that the emperor of mankind in warhammer 40K is an anti-Christ figure. Where Christ loves, the emperor uses and discards, where Jesus took on our suffering, the emperor forced others to suffer, where Jesus showed dignity to even the most lost and forgotten, the emperor ignored them as disposable, and where Jesus humbled Himself and was raised to glory after the cross, the emperor glorified himself and fell to a hell on earth of his own making.
You dont get to descide not to be a father. By creating your primarchs you became a father. Your dereliction of the duties associated with that changes nothing.
Thank you. He doesn't get to welch out.
So well written.
„Does a blacksmith loves his anvil? Does an artist love his brush?”
My Man was alive for past 45 thousand years and apparently never met an actual artist with favorite tools they love and adore.
Just speak plainly Big E. You grew up without a Dad, and became a shit Dad, focing on the ends, but not the means because. Oh right „Because I know I am right.” (Last Church)
But sure sure, it was about your Grand design. Or, you could say, your Greater Good.
Sure an Artist can love his tools but they are just that, tools. He does not love them the way a father loves his sons. Tools eventually break or be lost. He may come to regret that but he has no qualms disposing of replacing them with better ones if necessary.
@@alfatazer_8991 you never had a favorite tool.
My favorite tool is my PC. I built her myself from parts I bought. I've upgraded her over the years to keep her up to speed with the games I play. She is like a beloved pet to me. I refer to her by name in private company sometimes, and think of her by name often. Yes, I have named her, and assigned a gender even. She is my favorite tool and my closest and best companion. She has never betrayed me, only ever failed me. I love her as much as a man can love a machine, and if I could bring her to life and give her sentience I would in a heartbeat.
Emps obviously never experienced this.
someone can't differentiate between love for living thinking things and liking inanimate objects like a brush
@@firasempire5294 Tell that to ppl like Akira Toriyama who loved his brush so much that when he lost it he decided to give up on drawing manga. You can love an object depending on the circumstances. For example. What if your mother died and the only thing you have left from her is a necklace she always wore? This happened to my mother.
I will not believe this is The Emperor. I cannot accept that he truly never cared. It cuts the wind from the wings of the Imperium quick as lightening. In one fell swoop, it renders all the horrific suffering utterly meaningless.
BEST DAD EVER!!!
He's lived too long to care anymore
Amazing
Love the dune inspired ending
Perhaps one day the father of question and questionable fatherhood may be forgivable… but will never be forgiven.
The imperial truth is the only truth.
Guilliman: And I thought Sanguinious was poetic… do you want the bloody gift or not Father?
Big E: …yes
Sanguinious: ok thanks for that bro🗿
song name in background?
As every good monarch in history there is a bad parent
Lots of daddy issues in the comment section. He gave them EVERYTHING, he bestowed them with immense powers, intelligence, strength, nobility, and sensitivity, he made them privy to greatness and the ideas of his own mind, yet they STILL found a way to betray him, to let him down, and to waste away his gifts.
Weak, shameless, and foolish. What a waste, what a tragedy.
I agree , the comment section acts as if he can afford to give love , as if he has time. He is not some labourer , or scholar who after his shift comes home , he took upon himself the greatest task , to unify mankind and reclaim the galaxy for their own. If there ever was to be love and affection, it would have been when they were children , not now. He found them as adults , as men with their views and beliefs formed. It is a miracle that every one of them followed him but they couldnt have expected him to take them on a picnic , not when the Great Crusade is under way. That time was lost when they were stolen from him. He never called himself their father , only allowed them to call him that. He was creator and Emperor , those who came to terms with that endured , those who didnt failed and in their childish petulence turned on their kind.
The problem I see here is that it makes what I can only call a typical mistake of the modern age: that prosperity and power can buy loyalty, even in the face of arrogance and abuse.
Should Lorgar care for all the nobility, intelligence, and sensitivity bestowed on him when the city he used those powers to build was burned before his eyes for not meeting the emperor's vision?
Should Angron care for his immense power when he was ripped away from his only real family and taken to butcher hapless populations across the galaxy while leading an army of strangers?
Should Konrad Curze or Perturabo give their loyalty for being made privy to the emperor's greatness or his ideas when they'd been stuck with the unenviable tasks of becoming his most hated and feared attack dog or being sent to rot in the mud for decades and centuries while other legions garnered glory or had a chance to actually build things of splendor.
As for Horus, he and his brothers had apparently witnessed two of their own being unpersoned. Its hard to blame someone for succumbing to the offer of Chaos when the thought their own master turning on them, killing them and those they care about, and burning their memory seems within the realm of reason.
That's what everyone is pointing out. Even I mentioned under the last video that the Primarchs aren't entirely human to the point of being somewhat like specialized supercomputers, yet I also have to recognize that within the world of 40k, they're autonomous agents with their own values, ideas, and agendas (influenced at least in part by that programming) and if they find their ideas and agendas thwarted in favor of being treated by extensions of the emperor's will, with no bonds of actual love or mutual loyalty or respect to keep ambition and bitterness in check...well we see what happened once an opportunity presented itself.
@@morgant.dulaman8733 Dont act as if other primarchs didnt have issues of their own.
Ferrus was fighting to protect those he said were weak and yet he stood up to the task.
Corvus was fighting for an authoritative regime even though he was for liberation and freedom but came to terms that the Imperium and His vision were the best solution around.
Jaghatai waited and weighed all the options infront of him and decided to stay loyal because all other primarchs that joined have joined out if their own selfish reasons and not for humanitys good.
Vulkan saw all the murder happening in his name and disliked it but he understood that it was in some situations the only way forward and that the Imperium was the only power fighting for humanity.
All of them could have turned on reasons of ideology and yet they didnt.
They stuck it out. Yes the galaxy is a harsh place and personal indulgence is not something the Emperor or his sons have time for.
And dont get me started on Istvaan III , all that warm hearted feelings and understanding you have for the traitors , are their own sons who were loyal to the ideals of the Emperor at fault as well?
@@numenoreaneternity6682 No, he designed them to back him up while He led humanity. Its a small difference on paper, but a galaxy-shattering one in practice.
And I don't care if you call them daddy issues or personal demons: pull rank on someone enough times to thwart their plans or shut them up, and they'll start getting irritated. Burn their projects to the ground, and they'll get mad. Leave them thinking you'll kill them the second they're inconvenient, and simple self-preservation would get them to consider alternatives (even if those alternatives have horns and tentacles and snort fire and brimstone while offering clawed hands to shake).
Do I think it was ultimately justified? No.
Do I think the emperor never bothering to have a relationship with his creations or even promising an attempt at something along those lines when the crusade was over made things worse and made his sons more apt to fall when presented with temptation? Oh most definitely yes.
Further, (and if you're interested, like I mentioned, there's a fuller explanation under the last video), I think its important to remember the primarchs are, for lack of a better phrase, pre-programed to think and act in certain ways, even if it doesn't entirely make sense to us, almost to the point of being like supercomputers. This shaped them and how they responded to certain stimuli and factors in their lives. For example, Konrad was programmed to think of things through the lens of justice, then had the bad fortune to fall in a criminal world where he had to build that concept of justice through the ground up. Naturally, this left him with an...interesting notion of what constituted justice before the emperor even met him. This, in conjunction with his fatalistic understanding of his visions, left him predisposed to deal with things in a manner that at times seemed irrational, such as the destruction of Nostramo, though from his programming and conditioning, bringing that kind of destruction down on a city to halt the influence it had on his legion seemed perfectly reasonable and moral.
This is the problem: the primarchs aren't entirely human and think in a manner that's somewhat outside our understanding, but they're still human enough to make human mistakes and require correction, but when they're just treated as tools or extensions of the emperor's will, as well as given contradictory or confusing information (such as regards to why they were purging seemingly harmless religious elements without knowing how chaos works), its hardly surprising they started distrusting the emperor, or that they eventually started acting like HAL from space Odysee and said "I can't let you do that" to the emperor.
For this reason, I think for all the family talk, one might consider the Emperor's folly to be similar to Dr. Frankenstein mixed with runaway AI: the emperor created (pre-programmed) life without thinking through what he was doing, tried using his creations once he found them without getting them on track with how he originally envisioned them or trying to foster proper trust, then got surprised when some of his creations went rogue.
Granted in this case it was burning a galaxy rather than strangling a kid, but still.
Sounds like someone doesn't have a dad that loves them
Who wrote this? This stuff is gold
if it isnt from a book, ai might wrote it.
I wrote it after finally getting through "Master of Mankind"
It was a massive pain to get through
@@KingLich451 the thought is frightnening
@@voxcasttonowhereofficial fantastic job
I dont recognize the voice for the Emperor.
Its Jonathan Keeble, he reads alot of warhammer audio books and is probably my favorite
@@Lusus-zj9pt ah, thanks
@@Lusus-zj9pt
So you're telling me the Emperor himself read all those books for me?!?
@@GetsugaTensho85 Yes, the emperor gives his voice to he's best soilders. (readers) also that vould be technically lore accurate
Second best narrator. My personal favorite is Toby Longworth. Shame he’s not done more books.
What gets me, having listened to this a few times, is the emperor's complete inability to notice the agency others have in this drama, from his primarchs, to normal humans, to the various xenos and Chaos itself.
Perhaps its my own beliefs creating a bias but no, the overwhelming majority of humanity does not and never will want a "godless utopia."
No, his primarchs are not just tools, and they have the ability to make major decisions that impede the emperor's plans.
No, humanity cannot claim rights to the stars unless one means by right of conquest, a right that the fallen eldar, ever militant orks, and various other xenos can lay claim to.
And no, Chaos will never sit back and let any mortal, no matter how powerful, style himself as the playwright or puppeteer to a story where they know the end involves their demise.
I wonder if the emperor would have known this all at some point. Others claim it is his giving up a part of humanity or other factors, or that he planned for all this, and while I think there's some truth to that if his games with Malcador are to be believed, I think there's something to be said for a long streak of winning. I think that conquering a galaxy and having most of humanity (at least those who've survived) wait on your every word does things to a man's perception of himself and those around him. If it goes on long enough, it can make even the best think they're unbeatable...until they find otherwise.
After all, "prism of perspective warps the light of truth."
Fuck it they should just hire you to be a Warhammer author.
Him: “I see you.”
Me:😳
does the trillions of lives and the prosperity counteract the tens of thousands dead? No the puppeteer is not absolved of their deeds even for the great play that they orchestrated and its final result. Each evil inflicted plants seeds for new evils, even when they are done to eradicate an evil thing. The truth is that good is the only cure for ill that lasts, and also that evil is needed because good cannot force change.
You need to write a Black Library book, ASAP. Or your own book series
I'd LOVE to write some short stories for Black Library
Ya see big e, and anvil or brushs dont have feelings or god like powers in which to use said feelings as they feel
you know i kinda get it
listening to this, the "God Emperor" having a goal of bringing humanity to the apex of galatic dominance
sure he's abolishing anything that involved religion and myths but it's to keep humanity on track not to let their thoughts sway for questions
(even tho the questions we ask is mostly about our place in this theater of the universe)
but i have to admit his logic is also fucked up, about his sons compairing them to tools rather then his decendances.
i would accept that his wife did the right thing sending her children away, away from their "Father" she wants them to live as people not as soilders in a war they would struggle to survive
Warp sake, i would even accept that in some where in the universe the wife is playing her own role being the only caring parent there is as she would become a goddess of death
for 2 reasons
1. to stand against her "husband" with a army greater then his own of souls of humans out numbering the imperium 1 to a billion
2. to finally see her sons and tell them all of her love and care even if they have questions of their own she would want them all back so she can keep them eternally
How you're going to get to Andromeda I always wonder how woodfield workout how to leave the Galaxy
No true father abandons their sons. No true father lies to their sons. Death to the false emperor!
And this is why people call you a bad dad big e.
Love this but this personifies my only complaint with the imperium. The Emperor is supposed to be charismatic but he couldn't convince a starving dog to come to him with a steak in hand.
Even Konrad is more likeable then the emperor.
I will follow the Emperor and his angelic son into hell itself and die against the manifestations of the warp if need be in order to spread the imperial truth!
There are no such things as gods, angels, or demons..
Yup, he is good, lets make religion out of this 😮😤👍🏾
Hot take: I don't fault the Emperor and his thinking. He can appreciate what the Primarchs were meant to do/be and doesn't have to love them any more for it. The Primarchs were created for a purpose, war. Anything beyond that is an extra feature.
Interesting take, Nikolai
I think it varies on perspective, as I see a lot of people having a lot of varying opinions on the matter. I however feel as though that the Emperor lost so much of what made him human, he forgot that his tools of war were still...well...human. Humans with emotions, free will, desires, and dreams beyond the war. He was so driven by his pursuit to save humanity, he forgot how many mistakes he ignored within his sons and sects of the Imperium
@@voxcasttonowhereofficial The battle of perspectives is always a perpetual one, as opinions and thoughts will always be existent. The fact that the Emperor created the Primarchs with their own quirks, strengths and specialties is a reminder that he understood them to be complicated beings. That he at one point did imagine them using these gifts to better the whole of humanity. If he forgot that after the many sacrifices he had to make and setbacks he had to deal with, I don't fault him for it. A chef may love and appreciate all of the eggs that are needed to create an omelette, but ultimately he recognizes that the omelette he makes is made for a purpose: to feed either himself.
Jaghatai Khan was right about you.
It’s ok Big Daddy E we still love you even if you don’t love us
You might be an insane and uncaring demi-god, if...
😮 dayum
Hey can you make a video in which primarchs discuss the best comicbook superhero?