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- You cannot separate the story of Raistlin Majere from his twin Caramon or the lich, Fistandantilus that fed off and empowered him. Let's take a closer look at Raistlin Majere, Master of Past and Present! Buy Dragonlance Adventures: www.drivethrurpg.com/product/...
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Transcript
If there was even an exception to the rule for a wizard on Krynn, it was always, and will always be Raistlin Majere.
Intro
Welcome to another DragonLance Saga episode. My name is Adam and today we are going to talk about Raistlin Majere. I would like to take a moment and thank my collaborator patrons, the Heroes of the Lance, and invite you to consider becoming a patron or member of this channel by visiting the links in the description below. You can even pick up Dragonlance gaming materials using my affiliate link. I am referencing novels and sourcebooks for this information, but we all know how deep and intrinsic Raistlin is to the history of Krynn, so If I skip over something or misspeak, please leave a comment below.
Discussion
The entire backstory for Raistlin was left for Margaret Weis to determine. She had to base it on Jeff Grub’s idea of him having hourglass eyes and golden skin. She had help as she recalls because of the painting Larry Elmore made of Raistlin, showing suffering in his face. The design team planned him as being the unlikable character as he was sly, greedy and weak. Weis saw Raistlin as the tragic anti-hero; The man who will finally be consumed by his fatal flaw--his thirst for power. She was insistent that readers and players understand him however. Raistlin turns to evil, but the Heroes would not have defeated the Queen of Darkness without him. We are first introduced to Raistlin in Margaret Weis’ short story ‘The Test of the Twins’ in Dragon Magazine #83. She described Raistlin as a frail and sickly magician and scholar. He and his twin Caramon made up one whole person. Caramon was the body and Raistlin was the mind. This would prove to be the driving force throughout the Chronicles and Legends trilogies which would propel Raistlin from that originally designed unlikable character into arguably the most popular character in all of Dragonlance.
Caramon and Raistlin were raised by their half sister Kitiara. Raistlin nearly died in his infancy and lived by Kitiara’s will alone, as he was weak and sickly. Their mother Rosamun was unwell and more than happy to allow Kitiara take up her role. It was Raistlin's father Gilon that would set him down on the path of magic, with the visit to a local illusionist Waylan. Raistlin was obsessed with the craft and by the evening had learned every one of the sleight-of-hand tricks through observation alone! His father would enroll him in a prestigious school, taught by a highly-reputed Master Mage Theobald. He was talented in math and memory. Raistlin even inherited his mothers Psychic abilities, though he was never able to control or channel them. The Mage did not like Raistlin and was going to turn him away when Raistlin began reading the master's spell books. This can be deadly to those too young or weak in the craft. He was immediately accepted as a pupil.
By the age of 16, Raistlin had outgrown his master. He was picked on and bullied by the other boys around his age and his brother Caramon would be the only one on his side. After their fathers death and mother’s retreat into her mind which preceded her death, Raistlin would find nothing but contempt for others. They were either less intelligent than him or outright harmed him. This would come to be a defining characteristic in Raistlin revealing itself in the defense of those marginalized. Eventually, they gained respect from the townsfolk. Caramon for his strength, and Raistlin for his skills in magic. They earned money from the strength of Caramon and performances by Rasitlin which only infuriated his master. They became friends with the other heroes of the lance and shared misadventures together. At the age of Twenty, Raistlin was offered an opportunity to take the Test of High Sorcery. He knew that it meant the possibility of death, but also, the possibility of realising his true potential... - บันเทิง
Thank you for watching today's Dragonlance Setting episode. What do you think about Raistlin Majere? Leave a comment below.
What?
As would I. We each make our heroes best suit our own eyes and , maybe, needs.
@@needhd7159writing "in character" is difficult. Period. 😅
I was touching on how I feel that the true story is that of Raistlin & his family being the victims of symbiosis & parasitic damage each by none other than Fistandantilus.
The stories published being no more than an illusion Raistlin plays out knowing that Fistandantilus is persuaded by his own illusions cast. Susceptible to illusion due to his affliction, condition & status as a Lich alone. Necromancy compared to Illusion being what it is.
Love him or hate him, I wouldn’t want to mess with him
One of my favorite quotes:
"You cannot hide from danger. Death floats on the air, creeps through the window, comes with the handshake of a stranger. If we stop living because we fear death, then we have already died."
Great quote.
quote for the times..
@@MysticUnity Not a refutation of caution, however.
Mine too.
I dont remember Raistlin saying that one.. which book was that?
The part where I started to like Raistlin Majere when he showed kindness towards Bupu the gully dwarf. He has a disdain against most people because of how he's been treated by most people but he could still feel kindness towards a race that everyone treats with disdain.
The Soulforge had a lot of those compassionate moments for Raistlin.
Same here Dhyfis.
Yes, that is when I fell in love with the character myself...but there again, I've always had a soft spot for antiheroes.
When i read Dragonlance as a teenager, Raistlin was my favourite character because his power appealed to my D&D nerdism. When i read the books again in my 30's and again recently in my 40's, I liked him a lot less. His lust for personal power makes him a manipulator and he doesn't understand how to receive and return love, almost narcissistic. Characters i never used to think twice about, like Laurana, ended up becoming the ones i really identified with as they reflected my real life values.
That’s part of what I love about these novels. They appeal to us differently as we age.
There's a really deep meaningful line or passage from the Twins of Time books or whatever they were called. I forget what it was, I read it while I was locked up and had copied it down and kept it, but lost it at some point.
"They gave me the eyes to see past, present and future of all living things, thinking it will teach me compassion. Instead, I only felt contempt"
Awesome
One empowering line of wisdom I always remembered from Raistlin, was the one he gave to his nephew - "Bow to others in reverence and respect, but never in slavery!"
That is a great line!
Although it was originally initiated by a spell, I think Raistlin’s interactions with the gully dwarf, Bupu, highlights a compassionate aspect of his personality. Although it is overshadowed by his drive for power, and he strives to keep it hidden, it makes subtle appearances throughout his story. It’s been a long while since I’ve read Test of the Twins but I think I recall that it’s Caramon’s memory of Bupu, in that desolate future, that really convinces Raistlin to give up his plan and to sacrifice himself.
Thanks for the video!
This tracks as true to my memory as well.
Long live that rat! Her most prized possession and gift to Raist.
Raist considers himself the underdog, and always loved underdogs like Bupu.
I would definitely say you hit the nail on the head with that description. Olso one of the things raist hated more than anything was being the object of pity by others . Bupu being a gully dwarf lead a pitiful existence which triggered the last bit of compassion and empathy remaining in raist
There is ever choice.
Best line spoken in Dragonlance and always sticks in my mind is from Raistlin.. "Hope is the denial of reality." Truly insane considering how his story ends.
It’s brutal.
I use the same phrase on a regular basis
I love that he also denied his love for his brother throughout his life even though it was obvious that he did. Caramon to me is a great brother. He knows he is being used however he still loves his brother and feels that he can still save him.
I want to thumbs up, but it's a melancholy post. True too.
Of course his love for his twin saves his soul.
Such a great character. My favorite part of any of his stories is when Takhisis mentally shows him the endless torture she has planned, something similar to Prometheus, and he actually smiles at the thought.
He’s awesome! That was cool
My favorite part of Raistlin's story arc is when the portal opens and the device of time travel interferes and causes the explosion. Everyone should go back and read the last couple paragraphs of The War of the Twins. He's being torn apart and refuses to fail. Uses words of command never spoken before. Badass.
Absolutely
He's one of my favourite characters in any book! Such a wonderful character arc, and teamed up with Caramon it's even better and grander! What makes Raistlin even more special is that he is both the protagonist and the antagonist in Dragonlance Legends. Superb! 🙂
Yes! Thanks for sharing
Raistlin is the greatest character period. Bring Dragonlance to the big screen!
Yes please!
Raistlin has always been a kind of mirror for me and his story helped me avoid many pitfalls in my own life and path. You honor him well with this. I could go on but I will just say thank you.
It was my pleasure!
SkullCowboy333 is spot on, the same was for me
I know what you mean. I loved the character but rather than wanting to emulate him I took it as a cautionary tale. Probably made my life better in some ways to do that.
@@Z1gguratVert1go Exactly!
if you needed a fictional character to help you in real life...... sad
As somone who was envious of his older brother Raistlin's story showed it was possible to become a person in one's own right.
Working to surpass surpass his brother and not settling with current knowledge is what a student needs to be successful in any or multiple fields.
Thank you for watching the video!
Omg I am only 51 seconds in and I am being crushed by a wave of memories reading these books
Nostalgia is powerful!
Even to this day, I read through the novels and even through old AD&D adventures books and find it fascinating how all of this was so well crafted. Still my favorite campaign setting of all time.
Yes! When you look at DL5 Dragons of Mystery, the sourcebook the team used to write the novels and modules, they took there time to develop out a whole world with history. It's great!
@@DLSaga 100%
I first came across Dragonlance and Raistlin as a 10-year-old in the school library, and my 10-year-old self decided that he was both kinda hot and aspirational. He was snarky and often angry at the world, but he didn't let anyone walk over him and even though he wasn't physically powerful the people around him respected him. He also treated sex and attraction as secondary to knowledge and power, which I found immensely relatable. Twenty years later... he is still one of the fictional people I look up to, and it always makes me smile when I see Dragonlance books in the shelf of a bookstore. Heroes were never really my thing anyways, and sometimes redemption can be an overly judgemental concept to throw around. Here's hoping for a Dragonlance 5e sourcebook (the recent UA gives me hope).
I am fascinated why people love the characters they do. Thank you for sharing your perspective!
Raist oli hyvä hahmo kyllä.
Raistlin is great, but watching Caramon grow alongside him was a treat as well. Caramon needs to be given his due as well. In the end he becomes a well rounded warrior, father, and husband.
Yea, Caramon came into his own in Legends to me.
Caramon is boring af. Not a character flaw, he's just not as compelling to read about as his brother.
he was an abusive codependent drunkard. caramon was a hard guy to actually like
Raistlin in an incredibly talent mage. Excellent character, wonderful arc and development.
Thanks for watching!
Raistlin demonstrates how weakness can be as corrupting as strength, but in a different way.
Interesting thought. Thanks for watching!
Brothers Majere and The Soulforge are easily my favorite books in the dragonlance library. Thanks for the video.
My pleasure. Thank you for watching.
Since I read the Raistlin arc, I have been enamored with this character and strive to be like him in a way! Always there for the less fortunate and carrying myself you poise, grace and respectability! Even under temptation he never faltered! And even though he was power hungry, he still had a heart for the little things that made life wonderful! Thank you for this video and here to hopefully seeing others fall in love with Raistlin and his story as well! Cheers!
That's an interesting take. The authors saw him as an addict to magic. Nothing was important but power. We readers see him differently and relatable in contrast. I wonder what that says about us? lol
@@DLSaga we will always endear ourselves with characters such as Raistlin because like them we all deal with our own dragons/burdens. We can empathize with them and to an extent, understand them without judgements because we want people to do the same with us! Where to the creators he was an addict to those of us that have endured our trials in life, hope that at the end of it all... Fizban would take mercy on us and forgive our shortcomings! Be well!
I still have 100 dragonlance novels. I care for them like a kid
That’s awesome!
I think Tasselhoff was the reason Raistlin was able to succeed where Fistandantilus failed. There's a place where Raistlin was half-heartedly battling in a fight he knew he would win, musing about how he was ultimately doomed by time, anyway. Then, Tasselhoff shows up, and he simultaneously realizes that he's no longer doomed and that he can now loose the fight he's in.
Definitely, great call back. I read it the same way.
When he tells the goblin (Fewmaster Toede?) "I am magi, do not touch me" I was like "dayum!" Great video 🤘
Yes great character
Having you explain this was a treat. Thanks for your hard work uploading. It's been years since I read any of this.
It’s my pleasure. Thanks for watching!
“For me, the gates will open.”
These words embedded themselves in my heart. Power can afford you many things, yet not many heed the cost that must be paid.
Yea that was a great line!
Excellent telling of his story. Thank you so much!
Thanks for listening
I think Raistlin was awesome. Sometimes I feel that I can relate to him; I love him. He believes knowledge is strength.
Thanks for watching, and sharing your thoughts!
@@DLSaga You're welcome.
Another great video!! Thank you for doing these!!!
Glad you like them!
THIS IS THE ONE I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!
Enjoy.
As a kid I love these books I read them like a starving man eating food
Hehe they are great
As a young adult, I adored Raistlin. Everything and anyone would bow to me if I had The Power! Now that I'm older, I almost pity him. And I know he'd hate that.
Whoa, yea thats interesting.
Raistlin was right for obsessing over power and defeating the dark dragon queen of the abyss and becoming a god. Krynn would have no chance without Raist.
Thank you for watching!
He was wrong for killing or molesting at all for that matter.......just as any she would be.
"Hope is the denial of reality."
Aspirational…
@@DLSaga There are no shadows without the light
:D
very nice to see this video reach 20k views! Shows great promise for this channel. Interesting that so many people are still eager to learn about Raistlin. Love it!
It is a testament to Raistlin Majere.
Great walk down memory lane. You really hit the high notes and the low notes. He was a tortured man to be sure. You never knew what side of raistlin you were gonna see from moment to moment.
It was a great series overall, I highly recommend. He was the spice in that series, the others were support characters. He paid many a steep price for his pursuit of power. That power warped and changed him but eventually he had his redemption.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. And for watching.
Ever since the story in Dragon, Raistlin has been my favourite character in fantasy.
Nice! You are not alone
I love all you Dragonlance lore. That setting was my first love, and still is, by far my amongst my top three favorit settings.
Thank you for watching!
He's the best. I love him so much. Raistlin forever. ❤️
Thanks for watching!
you did a great job of Raistlin Majere story arc
Thank you.
Fell in love with dragonlance in 1992 after reading Dragons Autumn Twilight at 16 years old...
That's awesome. Thank you for watching.
I read the DragonLance series when the novels originally hit the shelves. I did not know it started in Dragon magazine. I had only got two of those Magazines. I did’t play D&D by that time. I played back in the 70’s. It is interesting to here the history of Rastlin. Thanks for reviving the memories.
You’re very welcome. Thanks for watching.
Great summary of the character.... I maybe remembering things wrong... But, I remember in the Tower of High Sorcery during his test... Raistlin's hair changed because of the intensity of the test, the eyes were Parsalian's hope to teach him compassion, but the golden skin was from Fistandentius... a curse and protection from the dark elf that nearly killed Raistlin... It has been a long time since i read the books...
There are three different stories that tell three different variations on the same theme. You seem to be referencing a bit of The Soulforge.
I never had a favorite character. It was the lore itself that captivated me during my teenage years.
I'm very glad this series is still getting some love.
Est Sularus Oth Mithas.
It certainly is on this channel :) Welcome!
Very well done! Raistlin for me growing up was the mean, surly, antithesis of my personality but man was it fun to play that type of character in D&D and other games, still is fun to play in games that allow that type of play in their games.
Oh yea! Thanks for watching.
Great work
Thank you so much 😀
My actual reaction: Wut? 10 minutes about my favorite character in all of fiction? Yass please
I hope you enjoyed it.
Raistlin has always been my hero. I've had some pretty hair raising experiences working with the occult over the years and I've always kept control by telling myself " Raistlin wouldn't let this strange thing scare him or shake his concentration...and neither will I!" And it's always worked.
That’s wild, thanks for watching.
I first read Dragonlance when I was like 10, I pictured Caramon as this absolutely massive dude.....then I got into lifting weights as an adult and realized I was bigger then him based on his measurements in the books lol
Right on!
he was imperative to their missions all of them.
Yep! Thanks for watching!
Best character and wizard ever written!! He is the reason why I have always played some form of mage in D&D
Very cool.
it was the artwork that pulled me into this world as a young teenager. found a hard-covered book of "War of The Twins", in the school library. So, not only was I pulled into this world through the art work on the book, but started at the tail end of the series. I had a time of it, pulling things together. It wasn't until I discovered the 3rd book with an intact ending page which showed the order of the preceding books. great times
That's awesome! It's quite the book to be your first in DL.
my favoirite book series growing up
It is a great one!
My son's name is Raistlin and his sister's name is Kitiara.
Whoa, cool.
One scene in his origin book Soulforged really spoke out to me in that yes Raistlin was a harsh person he was sickly, weak and frail he grew up envying his brother's looks, body, and personality but the scene of him caring for his mother who lost her mind. After seeing her husband's dead body he sat by her side tending to her giving her water trying to feed her talking to her trying to anchor her mind to the world he didn't care he loved his mother and tried helping her with everything he could it was a side of him. No one but his brother Caramon would ever see it's truly a shame Raistlin never let that side of him show to others maybe he would've had more friends but his disdain for others and his drive for ever more power is what was most important to him.
Yea, i loved seeing the tender version of Raistlin thought the short stories and novels as well.
Dragons of a Fallen Sun was the book that made me fall in love with reading
That’s awesome!
Fistandantilis' spellbook was basically the cheat code that allowed Raistlan to achieve his aims much sooner than if he had to do it without. He probably would've gotten there eventually, but the landscape of Krynn might've been very different by then, leaving him to figuratively hit a moving target in fighting Takhisis.
Yea. Between Fisty himself helping, his books and the dragon orb, raist was set.
Raistlin was my favourite character by far …
Nice
@@DLSaga and I was sad when he sacrifice him self and Dalamar take is place in the tower .. I hate Dalamar … When I play in Dragonlance world .. I still use Raistlin is alive
The only authors that can come close to this epic tale is DUNE!! Such a wonderful tale!!! I loved reading it over and over!!!!
That’s awesome!
First Fantasy book series I ever read. Good times.
Very cool, I hope it wasn’t the last.
Way cool.
In older publications it was specific said that drow elves were involved in facing Raistlin during his test.
The term was ‘dark elf’ in Margaret Weis’ Test of the Twins Dragon Magazine short story from 1984. At that time there wasn’t a difference between dark elf and drow. It would be clarified later on, but the drow would show up again in a 2E adventure in Souther Ergoth.
@@DLSaga ok. I was referring to the word drow being used in the Chronicles and some short story I read about the test.
I knew a little something about overcoming addiction so I can relate in many ways. Awesome story and well told. Was fun to watch. Great video
Thank you. Yea when I was a kid it was a big shameful secret, rarely dealt with. Now it is accepted as a manageable issue.
No drug could ever fill the void left behind by a lust for power but power
Nicely stated.
Nice ending quote
Thanks!
Par Salion: "Raistlin is bitter, arrogant, headstrong, possesses power over life and death, and might have the voice of an evil lich in his head. *He must learn humility and empathy.*"
Also Par Salion: "I'm going to give him the most powerful staff, and I'm going to give him these eyes that constantly torture him with the sight of every thing decaying. That ought to do it!"
Hehe I’m not sure he really thought things through.
Hope is the carrot dangled before the donkey
Thanks for watching and sharing a bit of reality, lol
Thank you
You're welcome
Was deeply into these books.
Welcome to the channel
I name many of my video games characters after him.. Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure. Thanks for watching!
His unwavering ambition and determination to get exactly what he wants brings him to say my favorite quote to takhisis..
“My queen. It is your move….”
If not for a kender who saw what was to happen, he would have swallowed himself into eternity. The hourglass. His last redemptive act was to give up his ambition.
It was great
Raistlin is one of my favorite fantasy characters, he is complex character.
Yes he is!
Dragon magazine 83
You did a fantastic job. I am VERY. picky when it comes to Raistlin and believe me, I would correct you in a heartbeat. 😂 I was 15 when I finally read the books. I "borrowed" my brother'sbooks when I was young.LOL😂I have all six of the original books. They are VERY well loved.
They are so old now I won't touch them to protect them as they are falling apart. I have the collector's editon ones to read....😊😊😊😊😊
Thank you for watching!
I've got to get back to the 6 Dragonlance books I bought a while back.
No time like the present :)
Raistlin is one of the most wonderfully well crafted characters ever created.
He had a great life and part afterlife
@@DLSaga not really a great life but a life of greatness.
So i was in my early 20's and i had just found myself in a lvl 5 Federal Prison in the mountains of West Virginia at FCI Gilmer... But in the library i found, Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms. I eventually got more books sent in from the Dragonlance Saga, circa 2006. Raistlin and Elmynster helped keep me sane. Then I joined the largest hispanic gang in the nation and they taught me how to survive and kill in prison. I was the nerdiest godam latin gangster in the whole facility. Oh I forgot to mention i was 5'10 and 275 lbs with calves the size of a cantaloupe, i wasnt exactly a target of opportunity and after i put in work, nobody said a fucking word about me reading a 600 page book with a Dragon on the front
Damn man. I know I found solace in the books through my military career and collage. Prisons a whole different ballgame though.
@@DLSaga Not many nerds who also had a cartel drug runner as a dad. I played Magic the Gathering and Half Life by day and trafficked meth and cocaine by night. Very contrasting worlds.
Magic is the body and soul
Here here
Rais did it all and gave it all up. Guy was the quintessential addict..... He didnt care who or what got in his way. Power was all he craved.
Until it wasn't.... But was that because his win would be over nothing?
I stumbled on these books when I was very young and they were certainly one of my favorite saga's, I remember how when Raislin was apprenticed to Fistindathilus, how the other students in his tutelage never saw Raist open a book, he only stared coldly at the other apprentice's, and during the final test, Raist beat them all with simple parlor tricks, making it look like he bypassed the mage ward cast by his master, so he won the final test without even using any magic,
I do not recall the details in that way, but thanks for watching and sharing your memories.
I have always thought of Raistlen's character as the one who chose his brain (called a "nerd" nowadays) over brawn. As his body was sickly, he could not use normal strength to overcome, as his twin. So, he chose magic to set him free of that burden, both for pride and power, at first. The price for that power was more than he understood, both to his body, and mind. But, along the journey, he realized someone would need to use the power he found in magic to actually defeat Evil. Evil he had unknowingly been trapped in through the curse of Fistandaneous. He knew it would take someone willing to ' get so near pure evil', and that was more than his companions could do themselves. In the end, he gave all, for them and to save his world. A truly tragic story told in a masterful way of how each of us fights against ourselves daily. In My hopes, we all learn before our true end, as Raistlin.
Or, at least, that is my "reading" into the character created in Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman's saga.
Thanks for watching!
Raistlin is probably my all time favorite dragonlance character.
For good reason! He's fantastic.
Did you play the gold box pc games in the early 90's? I did!!! They made the books come to life for me back then. The cover for the third game titled The Dark Queen of Krynn is one of my favorite pictures starring Raistlin. He is awesome. Have a good one.
I never finished any of them but I did play them. That’s a great image!
My favorite character
He’s a great one
I hadn't read these in decades. I'm gonna have to buy digital copies and reread them. I used to love the story. Didn't like the way the ended his character arc though. Great job on the video.
Thank you. I think you’ll enjoy revisiting them.
I'd like to see more art around Raistlin Majere, especially the rare stuff.
If you can be more specific I can find it.
@@DLSaga Literally anything. He was one of the most interesting characters in my personal opinion and far more complex. Perhaps I am incorrect but wasn't there one in which he was represented in one of the summoning circles with a set of triplet female beings at each point of a triangle or something like that? It was very long ago so my memory may be faulty in that regards since one of the things I enjoyed the most back in the 80s and 80s was the art from the fantasy role play games.
Source of my favorite quote “Hope is the denial of reality. It is the carrot dangled before the draft horse to keep him plodding along in a vain attempt to reach it."
"Are you saying we shouldn't hope?"
"I'm saying we should remove the carrot and walk forward with our eyes open!
Although your description of him being an addict would be correct I’d add it’s something more awake. An addict isn’t always conscious or in control of his addiction. There are many alcoholics that refuse to acknowledge they are and there a lot of heroin addicts that know they should stop but are compelled otherwise. Raisin was fully aware of his drive and motivation making it more than just addiction to him it was his sole purpose. He was a seeker of truth regardless of the consequences.
Thank you for watching!
Look Raist, bunnies!
So good
The best part, this all occurred in a tabletop setting
Margaret Weis has debunked that rumor. There was one test game where the mannerisms came out of.
My FAVOURITE mages are Raistlin Majere and Dalamar Argent/Nightson. 🥰🤗💖🇨🇦
Nice!
@@DLSaga Even with golden hourglass eyes and gold skin, I always thought Raistlin was handsome. Dalamar's pretty damn hot too. Even the dragon humanoid creatures are hot. What can I say, I'm into humanoids. 😱🤔🥰🤗💖🥳🎄
I love the Twins story arc.
It's so good!
Favorite Dragonlance character hands down followed by Lord Soth
Oh yea, good choices!
Raistlin Majere could be the single coolest character in the DragonLance Sage.
A lot of DL fans believe so :)
Raistlin had the ability to see someone's weakness, including the gods-a gift from Paladine, so i am told by a friend of mine.
That’s new to me, but I like the idea.
Raistlin was/ is the greatest character of Krynn. I HATED the fact that when he returned he had no magic. It was a cheap patchwork solution to having him returned only to be neutered so that their new stories could be told because if he came back with his power their story would be over because he could easily defeat whomever the antagonist was. Also....FIFTH AGE DRAGONLANCE SUCKED!!!! I know lets create a fantasy world with dragons and elves etc. but take away magic....BRILLIANT!!!
Was his magic actually taken away though? I seemed to remember interpreting it as he chose not to use magic because he knew the temptation would start him back down the path. Of course it's been a few years since I read it... well darn it... it's time for me to start reading Dragonlance again!
I think its better to leave him without his magic. WHat god in their right mind would give him the ability to use magic. Having seen what he did with it before....I think that would take away what he still has to offer as a character. HIs mind and character were what made him still a great part of the ongoing story.
@@ZyloxDragon1 I think you are right..it was more his choice, but to return without the one thing you are known for...simply as a "penance" for all that you've done/learned really angered me. I read Dragonlance from the beginning. I picked up Dragon's of Autumns Twilight like the 2nd day it was released. My original copy is so worn and used I cant read it anymore for fear it will fall apart. I say this for context. I grew up with the original characters and books. Raistlin was always my favorite but after the chronicles and legends trilogies except a few misc books about the character we got nothing more..story done..character finished. It was a grossly underuse of in my opinion was the most interesting character. The were many different stories about Raistlin left untold but we didnt get any...that always made me regretful..so much potential to ultimately be disappointing. I moved on the Forgotten Realms after I realized they were never going to continue his story anymore.
They didn't take away the magic. The fifth age changed how magic worked. There were sorcerers and mystics. Palin made a school for magic near Solace. The ogre titans used magic to come into being. The dragon overlords used magic to change the land and create their totems. The war of souls started taking away magic, not the 5th Age itself.
I used to devour everything DragonLance - until the 5th Age. At that point, I denied its existence and refused to have anything else to do with the ruination of Krynn from that moment forward. For me, that never happened, and Krynn remains as it was before that horrific mistake.
Raistlin was purely evil. He only stopped in his pursuit because he realized it would cause the destruction of reality itself and he would consume himself. He is a soulless monster, and one of my favorite all time characters
He definitely wasn’t pure evil or soulless. He repaid every debt he owed to his companions, cared for the sick and weak, and defended them.
@@DLSaga He was thoroughly evil. The way he acted in Legends leaves no doubt.
@@jdspencer60 tell us you didint actually understand what you read at all. =/
raistlin was a character in her home D&D game. the player was the one who gave him the whisper
also, galen dracos was the most powerful wizard ever, in dragonlance. only no one remembers him.
I’m not sure that’s true. He was in his day, yes. I believe fistandantilus then Raistlin superseded him.
Yea, they were developing the characters for the game and novel and that was included by the player.
@@DLSaga except dracos did spells that no other wizard has EVER done.
Ahhhh, Raistlin... the password to so many of my accounts! (Not this one, don't bother). Dragon Lance is the how and why that I got so into RPG's. And Raistlin was the how and why I got into Dragon Lance. There's quite a few comments below hinting that people who are in real life rather frail can be mentally strong, and Raistlin represents that on so many levels - especially when you're you. A physically weak character that is actually the most powerful in any room is very attractive to anyone with on going health issues.... Given how Netflix etc spew out such crap on the regular, I'm amazed DL has not been made into a major TV show by now. There was the half-arsed cartoon, but no real effort was put into that. DL is a syndicates dream - simple enough that anyone can follow, dozens of sub-characters and plots ripe for spin-off's... It really should be a full budget Live Action by now.... Can't help but wonder if Wiess and Hickman are playing their licencing cards a little close to the chest? But they could always test the water - pick one character, release the rights to make a mini-series (6 parts). Personally I think that would be a mistake - all in or don't bother is my tuppence-worth - but if they wanted to test reception... a minor character... I don't have the books to hand (I moved countries) but I think the bar owner was called Otik... where Camerons wife worked. As a basic TV intro, that would work... "A day in the life of Otik, the Bar Keep"....
Weis and Hickman don't hold the IP, WotC does. And with their (until recent) total ignoring of the campaign, I am not surprised that they haven't used it better. I like your take on the series though.
I remember I had D&D character that completely coincidentally was very nearly like Raistlin, years before I read the Drangonlance novels. I did finally end up reading those novels and I loved them, naturally. Interestingly I can’t listen to those books on audiobooks because I just don’t like the narrator and how he pronounces the names but I plan to book some day and actually reread them.
I have never listened to any of the audiobooks. I can say that pronunciation in Dragonlance is a problem.
It's Pala-DINE! 😩
The price of success ? Is it worth it?
.... I really always appreciated his and Caramon's relationship. His bits of personality when not 100% on his quest for power. The actual soft hearted (ask Bupu) bullied intellect . Not saying his works as a mage was not entertaining. But besides his arc in the story. We sympathized with him,understood his reasoning. And even tho Kitiara and Dalamar are my favorite. Raist kept me reading,and reading. Great job!!
Thanks. And thanks for commenting!