The Girlboss Villain Is Everywhere - It's Enough Now
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The mid-2010s saw a burst of rhetoric and excitement around real-life Girlbosses and their falls from grace. But the rise of Girlboss antagonists onscreen continues a long tradition of villainizing ambitious female characters and suggesting their desire for power is unwomanly or unnatural.
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Hey can you please do the loner trope that trope crosses any gender.
And maybe the bully trope.
And when you do the loner trope don’t make it seem like the loner is always the victim of bullying
What's funny is your previous video glorifies this aspect and portrays it as good thing when used against males but because its showcasing it in this light that vilifies women, you have to make a video that is hypocritical to your previous videos and i find that. . . Beautiful, because as you make this video you inertially prove this archetype to be true. I hope you continue making more videos to push your ideals and as such continue to prove this character troupe more and more true. I say this because no matter what you always make it no completely the women's fault that they are well fucking evil in these cases so movies and stories have to set it up in such a way that you cant blame anyone else but the women and even then you make it some how about men. Its great. i want your channel to rise and grow and to create more women with this ideal because the destruction and fire that will follow in its wake will warm more soul as I watch everything burn to the ground from the females that adopt this ideal.
I have to disagree that women can be just as greedy and corrupt just as men, sorry.However I would like to see a possitive girlboss on screen.
Fun Fact: Miranda's line of "Everyone wants to be us" was supposed to be "Everyone wants to be ME", but Meryl Streep found it too dramatic, and changed it at the table reading. An excellent call, since it says more about Miranda's character than the original line did, in my opinion.
it's not because she found it too dramatic. She changed the word to "us" to show how Miranda's perspective on Andy changed by the end, because Meryl knew that change would help amplify Andy's arc and enrich the overall story (amateur actors only pay attention to their lines, or worse, improvise for the sake of improv. great actors can find opportunities to sharpen the script by understanding their character's relation to the central theme)
@@sohndustin yeah like it serves as a wake up call to andy to see how far gone she is in that world, she realizes she doesn’t even recognize herself anymore
@@atlroxmysox98 exactly. Trina heard the fact, misremembered it and shared her version like a game of telephone and it irks me that hundreds of people are liking it even though it doesn't even make sense.🤦♂
shiv is no more of a villain than any other character on succession. she's as nuanced, complex and fucked up as the men, and that's exactly how it should be.
She's probably one of my favourite modern female characters, honestly
She has the most duality of any character
Ruthless yet feels so insecure and vulnerable underneath it all
Smart but too rash and impulsive
Supposed liberal yet throws her beliefs away more often than any other character in the pursuit of power
and yet, she's by far the most despised of the siblings because "how could she be so mean to Tom??!!!". As if Kendall wasn't terrible to Rava, as if Roman isn't just...the worst to everyone.
It's always so interesting to see people justify their hatred of her as somewhat right, because in a show with someone as reprehensible as Logan, if the person you hate the most is Shiv, something is shifty.
People think they’re all bad. But Kendall is cringe and Roman and Tom are pretty funny. Whereas, shiv has no likeable or entertaining qualities. That’s why people hate her the most. She’s just insufferable to watch
@@m.k4447 ikr! Roman may be likeable and charismatic in some ways, but it doesn’t mean he’s not the more terrible person.
Girlbosses are just bosses. Simple as. You get good ones and you get bad ones, and the focus on womanhood as a minus is absolutely misogyny to my mind. But it'll always be like that.
This, 100%. A lot of people seem to love this idea of holding women to higher account for engaging in the same behaviors that men have for a long, long ass time. Not that those behaviors are ok at all, but they're not somehow more heinous just because it's a women that's the one being shitty.
@@singularity___ i know. Like i kept thinking about how women are expected to be different from the man just on the fact that they are women. Yes, women are going to have to put in the majority of the work (unfortunately) to move progress along and am sure many of the negative reactions towards women who attempt to get in power by distorting the messages advocate groups use is justified. But at the end of the day, most of that negative reaction is due to the character being a women in power, period. And the gleeful takedown and celebration of the fall of these women is just a disgusting as the actions of those characters.
@@singularity___ Holding the marginalised to a higher standard of behaviour is easy when our entire movement was about fighting for inclusion in the first place. In other words, it's easier to attack us for hypocrisy because without inclusion, there would be no girl bosses. And let's be clear - calling out the hypocrisy in girlbosses is absolutely strategic and designed to clip their wings and strongarm the competition, not hold anyone morally accountable. It also makes it easier for men to accuse women of trying to turn everything into a gynocracy, because that's exactly what they HAVE done (turn this world into an androcracy) in our place.
Go off Queen! Preach!
@Clever name ....& yet the consequences for women are disproportionate. You're willingly missing the point now.
Some of these examples are really stretches (Lydia from Breaking Bad, Ursula from the Little Mermaid)? Just because a female character is in a position of power it doesn’t mean she exhibits “girlboss” traits.
Yeah I was confused about that, when do either of these characters pretend to be feminist or "girlboss"? I mean, Lydia was literally a meth distributor
And Ursula actually encourages traditional feminine behavior, although she does it in a tongue-and-cheek way that an optimist may hope means she doesn't really believe it.
At first I disagreed with this comment but then I can’t deny. Lydia was no boss. Breaking bad did not show her as a boss but a self centered women with access to loads and loads of the main ingredient needed to prepare meth. Yeah that was a stretch. Villain yes, boss no. Lol
The Ursula one felt really misplaced. She was killed because she was evil, not because she was a boss or in a position of power
@@ray_area0468 Well, she had singular power and she wanted more power. She was evil, because she was greedy and vindictive against the king. I think it's usually a flaw for feminists to say that an archetype or character is sexist simply because the character is a woman. Ursula and Scar are literally identical characters, preying of the hero's naive nature to take their place.
I've watched people project and make allegories around Ursula my whole life. "She's a body positive business woman." "She rebelled against patriarchy, in some way, to get kicked out of the kingdom."
In SOME way? Do you think it may have something to do with the poor, unfortunate souls she's captured and locked away into sea polyps?!
I think the defining reason Ursula shouldn't be on the list is that, again, if the definition of a girlboss is someone who pretends to use feminism to lure underlings into a false sense of camaraderie, feminist writers should be able to tell the difference between characters that never did that and are blatantly evil, and actual "hurrah, hurrah!" Girlbosses. The point of a girl boss is supposed to be that the characters and we as the audience thought that they were going to be a better person, (largely because they're women). Ariel looked directly AT Ursula's victims and signed the contract anyway. As much as adults want to pontificate upon drawing allegories between this and the complexities of capitalism and contracts, in the end, it's just a children's fairy tale about a witch and a horny 14-year-old girl.
Like, it's like if you saw a Southern Black preacher man who sounded exactly like Rev MLK Jr., but they turn out to be the villain and they cultivated their image specifically to lure us into thinking they were harmless and had all the best intentions. If a dude walked up to you looking, talking, and acting like Tekashi 6ix9ine and you treated him and his crew like they were upstanding NAACP volunteers, that's on you for what happens next.
I don’t think Ursula counts. She’s like scar or any other Disney villain who wants power.
I agree
Yes. Wasting away to practically nothing; banished, exiled and practically starving…
@@elisez478 lmfaooo yass 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾😭😭😭
Yeah I think in the original story she wasn't even really a villain she just like yeah magic has a price bro.
yes! Ursala could transform into whatever, and she chose to look like that. She was just doing what sea witches do, and Ariel decided that the love of a men she saw once was worth everything.
At my first office job, my boss was a girl boss villain. She threatened to make sure I never get hired again all because I defended myself when my paycheck was short even though I worked 40 hours. I reported her to HR and quit after she threatened me.
Please stop giving me mean comments. My mother reads the comments I get and she cries a lot because of it. Please be nice, dear bla
Wow smh I’ve dealt with my share of girlbosses it’s sad but the mysogyny is real smh
@@AxxLAfriku what the fuck are you on about
@@KSP30 criticizing a female doesn't always equate with misogyny
@@KSP30 First of all I’m a woman and second of all she was wrong and there was nothing wrong with me criticizing her. She literally threatened me and yet you still emphasize with her.
Seeing shows about americans living in Europe like Emily in Paris and Ted Lasso growing popular on the internet, a sugestion for next theme video would be the Culture Clash Tropes story, where americans go to live in other countries or vice versa, and how sometimes those stories can teach respect to cultural diversity, or be more prejudiced in the execution
Excellent idea. Im from France and I actually HATE movies about Americans coming to France because it is FULL of clichés. Emily in Paris is one of those. If you want to watch a movie about an American going to France and living a realistic french experience. I suggest you watch STILLWATER with MATT DAMON. An amazing movie and the depiction of FRANCE (it's in Marseille ) feels soo real. That's the first American I ve watched in my entire life that does that very well
@@ssissigui8846 I'm going to keep an eye then on STILLWATER coming to streaming services. Thank you for the suggestion.
That sounds great
@@ssissigui8846 Je regarderai, merci ! Je suis d'IDF et Emily in Paris me fait rire tellement c'est stupide. Mais oui c'est insultant
Ooo yes! I love the writing on Ted Lasso but as a Brit it always slightly grates on me that the Americans always kinda rudely make American analogies that none of the British characters understand, expect British characters to kinda go along with the American way of doing things and just generally make British culture the butt of the joke in a way that isn't really sophisticated or particularly funny to us. It very much feels like an American show written for Americans set in Britain rather than a show written by both for both.
I imagine French people probably feel very similarly about Emily in Paris, although I felt the end of season 2 was kind of a refreshing subversion of that.
For more interesting takes on culture clash, I thought Earthquake Bird showed an interesting contrast between a Swedish ex-pat living in Japan and an American tourist.
It was interesting how Thatcher ignored her daughter and adored her son because his toxic traits were seen as strength and her daughter she saw as weak.
Thatcher definitely was something of a self-misogynist.
Miranda Priestly is definitely a Girlboss (perhaps the quintessential version as she predated the label), but she’s not a villain because of it. Unlike more recent iterations, she never had any pretensions towards feminism and was basically an equal opportunity abuser. The fact that Emily and so many other female employees were so enthralled with her despite the toxic work environment shows just how misleading an image powerful people can project.
How is being exploitive over your assistants and abusing the power, "not being a villain"? Andy is getting paid from the publishing company. Not directly from Miranda, who is also a worker. Andy's job is to be an assistant from 9 to 5. Miranda makes her book private flights after working hours and buy stuff for her daughters after hours. That is clearly mobbing and violation. Miranda is also not that great at her job, she is constantly overspending. She shouldn't be getting away with it just because she is female. My mum passed away very, very recently, and she is the owner of one of the best nursing homes for the elderly. I'm taking her job, not only am I a "girl boss", I also happen to be the youngest person there. And I'd never act the way Miranda does!
@@verakukic243 This video is specifically talking about the "Girlboss Villain", not the straight-up "Girlboss" (there's definitely overlap but if you look at The Take's video on the latter, you'll see they're not quite the same trope). What's more prevalent in the Villain variety is that they employ feminist/progressive rhetoric to make themselves seem better than they actually are. I'm saying that Miranda doesn't quite fit that mold because she never displays any overtly feminist qualities or inclinations. The employee's gender is of no consequence to her; if they can't keep up, they're let go. It has been argued by some that she is the villain of DWP, but she doesn't really fit the Villain variant of the Girlboss as presented here.
Ursula is not a “girl boss”. She lives in a cave with some cursed shrimp and eels…she’s not the queen of a rival kingdom. Does not make any sense whatsoever.
Girl Boss is a mood.
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 If that were true, then any ambitious female villain could be called a girl boss, which is way too broad of a definition.
@@greywolf7577 You know it when you see it.
“Vilifying success is harmful” look, say it’s bad to only point it toward women, but we should always, ALWAYS be critical of “success” as defined under exploitative capitalism. It will almost always be based on the cuttthroat stepping over others.
Daenerys didn't free slaves to gain power , Jorah and Sir Barriston told her she could storm kingslanding by surprise but she refused in order to free slaves and later when she had the chance to go to westeros she refused she decided to stay in Mereen to prevent the return of slavery a decision which wasn't beneficial for her , in the 6 or 7 first seasons Daenerys was portrayed as brutal when she thinks she's right , she has a rigid moral compass and a naive view of the world but a lot of her actions are for what she believes is morally righteous ( although the righteousness of that morality is questionable ) and not for self benefit , she does free the unsullied knowing they'll join her but she gave them a choice and she would've freed them even if she knew they would want to leave , the awful writing in the last few seasons causes a lot of contradictions , Daenerys is a character that is naturally good but naive and hot headed she lived in a savage environment so she adapted and she was targeted from birth so she had a vengeful part to her , her descent into villainy is very logical but it was horribly executed
Not only that but she chose to help defend the north from the zombies instead of taking kings landing.
I can't avoid to see Daenery has a messianic attitude. White Savior complex
@@isabellanajera Dany is not white, the actress is. whiteness doesn't exist in her fictional world, she is Valyrian a fake race. Also...did you forget that the winners of the throne were also white actors/actresses 🤣 obviously the show wasn't commenting on race.
Her character was a s*x trafficking victim that turns crazy and evil to make evil dudes feel ok with hurting women. It's just misogyny. Sorry.
@@isabellanajera so she should’ve just done nothing then? since she’s such a “white savior”, should she have just let the slavery continue?
@@isabellanajeraThe thing is SHE is a messianic figure in the books. There are prophecies that play a major a role in the story about The Prince That Was Promised and Azor Ahai and they talk about the one needed to fight against the Long Night and among the specific traits mentioned is bringing back dragons. She very much fits the mold of the prophetic savior in the face of this oncoming ancient evil, the thing is she’s not the only one who does. Also, the term white savior is used for her because of scenes in the show with her freeing the slaves but in the books slavery in Slaver’s Bay followed the pattern of Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece with many slaves being from Europe. The reason this wasn’t properly reflected in the show is that they filmed on location in Morocco and most of the people playing slaves were extras from the area and therefore couldn’t reflect the diversity that is actually in the books were many would be white. In fact, it is made explicit that the Lysene prefer white slaves with Valyrian features and Doreah actually somewhat resembled Dany in the books.
I don't think the portrayal of girl boss villains is one-dimensional. I think audiences are biased toward men in these sorts of roles. Similar to how "likable sociopaths" like Dexter and Joe are fan favorites, but Amy Dunne and Love are vehemently despised.
Agreed.
This makes me think of a video I started watching (I didn't finish it) about Emily in Paris in which the (male) TH-camr referred to her as "the most unlikable character" from the entire tv year. I mean, there is valid criticism to be made about that character and that show, but that seemed a BIT extreme.
I like Amy Dunne and Love! There's a lot to admire in their dedication to the cause :)
I agree, but Love definitely received a positive response online this season.
And...Cersei Lannister.
Daenerys Targaryen.
I suspect the whole "girl boss who sacrificed her domestic happiness for her career" trope is written by men...men who themselves pursued a career to the extent that they neglected their relationships and then their partner left.
Overwork isn't aspirational, it's exploitation. Let's not act like giving up all relationship, family, and friendship to spend all their time at work is a path to happiness.
You can have a good career and good relationships if you aren't being worked like an inhuman robot.
Conversely, I find myself irritated at how many romcoms show us that all career women are unhappy (even if they have a boyfriend, a good salary, and a good job that isn't exploitative) and that true happiness is in returning home in the countryside to be with a man they've met there and quitting the job that they liked. Some movies do a better job than others, by showing their jobs as actually soul-sucking and unfulfilling, but the recurrence of this motif that combines romance + quitting the career you've worked hard for somehow worries me. Not because this isn't a valid choice to make in real life, but because it makes it look like there's something fundamentally wrong with having a career, rather than showing that the issue actually comes from a deeper social problem.
In combination with what you've said, it seems like in the writers' imagination, the career woman has to abandon all hopes of having anything in her life besides her career, but this is ultimately unfulfilling and condemns them to unhappiness, and the only way to find happiness is to quit entirely. You can have one or the other but not both, and having a career always seems to make women lonely and embittered. I think there should be a lot more nuance to it than that. The problem of overworking at the sake of domestic happiness that you mentioned, for example, is a very real issue and it should actually be portrayed as a systemic issue (which it is) rather than a personal choice exclusive to women and romantic in nature.
Instead, we've got that fantasy of "work versus happiness" that reinforces the idea that you can't have both, that you have to choose, and that this choice will determine whether you're a good person or not; it also presents a very warped universal idea of what happiness is, I think.
Yes! Exactly! It's a dumb false dichotomy. My mom loved her job and was GREAT at it and she still had strong relationships, bonds with kids and grandkids, friends, parents, spouse. It isn't either or and it is super weird that in every movie that is the choice women have: either have relationships or have a job.
@@cbpd89 i agree with you 💯👍
Preach \\o//
another example of
"we need more diversity"
not
"we need more diversity in hastily written, forgettable characters"
@Christian Ogara really, just the Black characters? Maybe the ones in the shitty media you consume. That only applies to the characters written by whites because the Black characters in the fandoms I’m in (which are led by POC) are well written and beloved.
In general, white people dont write good Black characters and the majority of whites will only consume media that is created by whites, so they assume every Black character is bad when that’s not true.
@@witchplease9695 idk, the "diverse" writtin' team behind the Disney Star Wars Movies or those involved at the TheWitcher Netflix Show don't really support your tale here.
Also, the critique against Luther (mainly from people from the USA, which is funny in consideration that it literally is based in England ...) does rather indicate that some "POC's" at least are pretty trapped in their own stereotypical thinking.
I mean, why should a darkskinned British Citizen still have to have an special accent or has to favour certain non-british foods? Some of them comin' from families which are livin' for over 100 years in Europe. European Cultures are - in contrast to a sort of "US American Culture" which basically rarely exists on its own - pretty rich. There are German decendencs in Russia today which probably don't even really think about "Oh, yeah, my Grandgrandmother was actually German.", same goes for spanish people in Scotland.
But anyway, the issue is often that "diversity" isn't brought to the table to actually depict diversity or something - It's just there to get your Money.
I mean, I personally don't really care as long as the Actor can convince me of his acting skills - but as soon as it doesn't feel "natural" anymore the show has to have alot of other things goin' for it.
A good example for diversity casting would be probably Foundation or also The Expanse - Yet both Series have the benefit of bein' SciFi Series in which it is pretty easy to cast more diverse without even lookin' for diversity; just look for certain types (bigger/smaller/more charismatic/rather shy etc) and see which actors are most suitable for the job because nobody can question in the year X anything. Well, Disney at least was even able to fail in a SciFi Setting though.
@@witchplease9695 What black characters are you talking about?
@@DaroriDerEinzige you make no sense.
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 I actually do, you just don't grasp the meaning of what I've commented.
Yet instead of askin' you chose that.
Not really clever ^^
Gillian Anderson and Meryl Streep have portrayed Margaret Thatcher brilliantly in ‘The Crown’ and ‘The Iron Lady’ respectively.
"The Crown" really put my lifelong crush on Gillian Anderson to the test - Thatcher was such a horrible person, and she played her SO well!
@@neuralmute Yes. No arguments there.
Sad that Princess Carolyn from Bojack Horseman didn’t get a mention in this. The Girl Boss that got it all in the end. Judah fell in love with her BECAUSE of her drive. Wanted to see your take on that.
True, but she is more of a protagonist girl boss rather than a antagonist
I'd love to see a video on the 'Monster-in-Law' trope where mother and father in law's are villified
I love Never Have I Ever and The Babysitters Club for showcasing healthy in-law relationships
Not much father in laws🤔
@@mewesquirrel6720 There's the over-protective father who loathes the potential male partner on sight and does everything from intimidate to threaten him.
@@ashleightompkins3200 oh yeah like that movie with Steve Martin
Father of the Bride!
I think this is how people see Hillary Clinton. She chose to stand by Bill through his allegations of sexual misconduct and helped destroy the reputation of his victims, and she continued to play the game until she had the opportunity to become president and pushed the idea of progress and feminism to her benefit. And although she would've been more competent than Trump, a centrist Democrat who plays the game wouldn't have changed a thing in the political lanscape. A career driven by ego.
I love the way the the girl boss trope was portrayed in the character of Jacqueline on The Bold Type. Jacqueline actually worked to not only be successful at her job, but she helped her female employees learn and grow into successful women, even going so far as having one of the women she mentored take over her company by the end of the series. She also always had her employees’ backs when things got tough and she did her best to set an example of showing what a good leader should do for her employees. Whenever someone messed up, she treated with grace and just helped them fix the problem, even putting her all into it occasionally. It was the most positive portrayal that I’ve ever seen of a girlboss in media.
I was going through the comments to see if somebody mentioned The Bold Type, because yes, all of this, thank you! I was so positively surprised when she was revealed as a supportive and nurturing role model, respected not feared! Jacqueline is an amazing character and I'm so thankful for the show for this kind of portrayal.
Now I know why I carry around imposter syndrome, as a female business owner with ambitious ideas, creativity, and a ton of goals. Making women seem cold as a girlboss isn't right. We as females are so much more than just a villan. We are so difficult and well rounded, and there is nothing wrong with being ambitious.
Terrible to work for. Girl boss is herw to take over never to take part. Never to help men. That would be the antithesis of "the future is female"
Terrible to work for. Girl boss is here to take over never to take part. Never to help men. That would be the antithesis of "the future is female", 15 yeara of dozens of girl bosses. Every one 100% in it for 100% them only. The worst narcs in the work place every time
@@kylejcool shut up.
@Mohlakala Tleane that’s not true at all.
I agree with this 💯
I love how the fact that 1 in 5 CEOs are Psychopaths is a verified fact. Explains so much.
That’s not a verified fact. One study said that. Other studies show much higher rates among executives than the general population but far below 1 in 5.
that is NOT a verified fact. psychopathy has not been an actual diagnosis for DECADES.
psychopaty really exists?
@@lakouk1901 as far as the field of psychology is concerned, it literally doesn't. what you mean is ASPD, that exists.
@@sugaredoleander409 ASPD?
Fifteen seconds into the video: yeah, it is misogynistic. I had that conversations with my mum when I was 15. By that time, I noticed that there was something wrong with what was I being fed with but I couldn't name it. So I asked her "Why is she bad, though? Why women like this are always bad? I don't understand" And she answered me exactly this (but in Spanish): "Because they want to make you believe that women when in a position of power turn wicked. More like, 'women with power are always wicked'." The conversation then went on hours about how this is used to manipulate us into choosing and accepting ourselves positions down the heriarchy or of submission, and how men feel threathened by capable and independent women... Thanks mom. That was one of the most important conversations I had when growing up. My mum was a housewife at that time (now she still is, but she is also a yoga teacher and has a separate bussiness. Before that period she was a kindergarden teacher) while my grandma was a bussinesswoman (she had all types of bussiness, really, now she is retired, but her curriculum at this point is unbelievable), and both have been amaizing examples of empowered independent women I still look up to.
Edit: in Spanish because I don't trust my translation: "Porque te quieren hacer creer que cuando la mujer esta en una posicion de poder se vuelve mala. O mas bien, 'las mujeres con poder son siempre malas'."
Wow, smart mom. It's true, the minute a woman gets power, she automatically gets the label of wicked. This is clearly an attempt at oppressing women and the idea that women in power are any different than men in power.
@@palmtreesandmoonbeams Yes, to me that was one of the moments in which I really feel that "Yeah, mum knows it all" 😂.
I love your mum
@@skunkrat01 haha, yes I love her too xD. During that time all friday nights were movie nights, and we would talk about them. Looking back, that was quite a genius move to make our family spend time together and trigger discussions about anything.
Movies show some male bosses as evil, but that doesn't mean that it is trying to teach that all men will be evil if they become bosses. Having female bosses also be evil sometimes shows that men and women are the same in this regard.
If a male character can be a villain, a female character can be a villain too - without it having anything to do with misogyny.
And yet, if you portray a powerful woman who's too "good," then you are upholding unattainable standards. Either she's too virtuous or she's too villianous, so either which way, it's seen as some sort of attack on women.
How about, just maybe, men and women can both be assholes, and the corporate ladder tends to reward asshole behavior.
Anything a man can do, a woman can do just as well... and anything a man can do poorly or immorally, a woman can do just as poorly or immorally.
So Brave
@@anyssamoya1559 I agree
Lol this is a statement that could use some clarifying context...
@@anyssamoya1559 For me, a powerful female character who didn't have "unattainable standards" was Ellen Ripley from the Aliens franchise. Sigorney Weaver played a middle-aged, non-super-powered, female protagonist who was intelligent, level-headed, brave yet capable of fear, and grounded. Her appeal had little to do with sex - yeah, there was a scene with her in her underwear but to be fair, all the human characters were in their underwear in these films. It's difficult to look at Ellen Ripley and think "she's too good, her standards are unattainable." Heck, in 2021 there are hundreds of Ellen Ripleys in the U.S. military, alone.
Princess Carolyn from Bojack Horseman would have been perfect for this video. She's cunning, ruthless, & manipulative, but also a very caring & loving person with a compulsive need to take care of the people around her. It's actually worth-noting as well how patient she is with her assistants even when they're comically incompetent in contrast to her, and even found sympathy for them & helped them win against the bosses when they did that strike.
I’m gonna play devil’s advocate and say this trope is pretty spot on in regards to the reality of succeeding in a capitalist society like the United States, you have to participate (actively and passively) in systems of oppression to do well financially. And a lot of women, white and not white, but for this video in particular white, straddle the fence of between being a survivor and enabler of the system. I don’t consider this trope anti-woman as much as I do anti-capitalism. What does it say about us that we can survive horrible instances of racism and sexism to only turn around and enable it to make a buck.
WELL SAID 👏👏👏
Yes. I think the thing is it's difficult to avoid being seen as a "cautionary tale" whilst still showing the reality of the impact of patriarchy on female bosses. Because it's true that most successful women feel the need to choose between work and family. It's true that many male partners don't like having a partner who is more successful than they or, or even one who is really into a career or hobby to the extent of investing time in that over spending time with a partner. It's true that many women feel like they have to act more masculine to succeed or be stricter and less friendly than male bosses in order to be taken seriously and not patronised, despite the fact that they'll be seen as a bitch even just for acting the same as a male boss might be respected for.
Yes it's a problem that it's portrayed that women in power are trading aspects of femininity and that they're incomplete and unhappy without these, but at the same time many aspects are the reality.
For example as well, the disgraced female CEO, in a movie where we look at the human beings of course we focus on the fall of the human CEO rather than the company because we have watched the people in the company make the decisions. It's the press who create the problem of treating female disgraced CEOs differently from male CEOs. It would be strange if a movie or TV show despite usually putting a human face on the goings-on of a company (even to the point of over simplifying how things go wrong in a big business as its not usually just one person being corrupt) suddenly distanced itself when there's a female boss and was just like "oh the company just fell apart with a corruption scandal somehow" as if it's a news report looking in at something it can't see.
absolutely agree
I don't think society has maintained that delineation. I wish it did, honestly. We certainly saw that in previous instances of backlash against the PR Capitalist companies touting BLM & LBQT in their mission statements that were in fact, PR bandaids overwork cultures absent of those same values...But companies touting the future is female? We attack gender(female), the individual, and their success. I've heard one too many Gen Z'rs attack successful women they disagree with as girl bosses. It's mis-used very liberally now.
Agreed. To be frank, I don't think the humanization of the "girlboss" figure is a worthwhile endeavor if we truly understand how evil capitalism is. It's talking out of both sides of your mouth to claim that you understand capitalism is an inherently evil system that requires corruption to succeed in, while also saying women shouldn't be critiqued for finding success in it. These are two diametrically opposed stances and it has to be one or the other. You can't be anti-capitalist while also making any space for nuance with the "girlboss."
The takeaway in this video should've been that greater scrutiny needs to be on men's roles in capitalism but it just ended up being an apologist piece for corrupt women. It felt like the usual, vapid white feminist take while trying to claim a more "progressive" slant. Completely missed the mark.
I agree. But could it also be that quite a few people do gain power through villainous means, regardless of *gender or race or country?* Because people who crave power usually have megalomaniac tendencies... *just a thought*
Yeah while I think the double standard that women are punished and hated more intensely for wrongdoing is misogynist, I don't know that framing capitalistic ambition as villainous is. You're not gonna find a lot of "nice" women succeeding at CEO level, because capitalism doesn't reward that.
the megalomaniacs attaining power through villainous means, regardless of gender, race, or country, is as obvious as your nose
we were watching about how cis-women in positions of authority are portrayed as more villainous than cis-men in positions of authority in both fictional media and news media, regardless of how villainous they actually are
thank you for catching up
Yeah no. Learn more.
Okay but just let women have our villains. I love them. I love a girlboss villain. I love a woman who displays every character trope male villains get applauded for. There aren't that many female villains who aren't hyper sexualised and the girlboss villains is one of the few to me who isn't. Let us have her.
But people love those "complex male villains" more & actively hate women in similar roles
Did you even listen to the video before rushing to comment? They’re not saying anything negative about these characters. And who are you asking to “let us” have these characters? the ladies who work at The Take?
@@idontevenhaveapla7224 Didn't most people love Emma Thompson in Cruella though? And Meryl Streep in Devil Wears Prada? Rosamund Pike's character Amy from "Gone Girl" too. Most people thought Cersei Lannister was an INCREDIBLE character as well. There are definitely ways to make cool, badass "complex female villains".
@@arjunmanoj2155 True - Amy Dunne and Cercei Lannister are two of my all time favourite villains, and I get out the popcorn whenever Meryl Streep pulls out the evil, whether it's as Miranda Priestly or Margaret Thatcher, (who I loathed in reality)! The problem is that we're still often drowned out by the chorus of (mostly) male voices who feel threatened by complex, interesting female villains who aren't just eye candy.
you say as we watch 1988's Working Girl villain-girlboss hypersexualize herself for a "merge" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Say what you may, but Miranda Preistly will forever be one of the most iconic bosses. Period. Her character was so nuanced and layered, with a perfect hint of guarded humanity. Meryl Streep ate that role like nobody’s business 🔥 Class act!
Rosamund Pikes is just wonderful in everything ❤
She's currently in the Wheel Of Time series on Amazon Prime. It's really good
Thank you for this expanded take on this trope. The way that *any* woman with power who's in the public is just *eviscerated* these days while men who commit much more egregious acts are defended and given a pass like "oh, he clearly had some issues which was why he was so abusive to some of his cast members; I hope he gets therapy"
2 steps forward; 1 back. 🙄
I love how The Take ended the year with this! Nuanced, interesting characters that are often subjected to criticism from a patriarchal lens, yet some also remind us that doesn't mean you are one of us means you will champion our causes.
Marla was a truly repulsive, psychopathic, evil, and just 100% vicious person with not a single redeeming quality. She was justifiably killed by a man who's mother she robbed and had committed and isolated from her family. He wasn't some Random "disgruntled man" are you kidding me?
Meanwhile Ursula was kind of a fun villain in the fairy tale realm based on the character Divine played by Glenn Milstead.
Both examples miss the mark.
I used to love this channel but now more recent videos seems to just push “oh men bad women good” narrative without solid evidence to back it up. :(
@@hitcherooney I agree. They're really reaching with a lot of their commentary. Maybe running out of ideas?
I think this is why we need more 3 dimensional Female girl bosses. A lot of the time women have to have to shed a lot of traditional feminine Stereotypes/qualities in order to make it in the corporate world that is male dominated. But like the popular quote says " The masters tools can't break down the master's house" You being cut throat like the men doesnt excuse terrible behavior. So instead of trying to exist in a man's world how about we make an environment where women and all minorities don't have to View success through a male /white lens.
I agree with this 💯👍
( standing ovation )
Being white and male doesn't necessarily mean Capitalistic. The Russian leaders were white and male and they became Communist. If the world had formed with minorities in control, it likely would be just as Capitalistic as it is today.
I agree that powerful women are demonized. But there are a lot of girlboss villains that aren’t one-dimensional. Blair Waldorf, Chanel Oberlin, Sue Sylvester, even Miranda Presley are iconic; and dynamic characters. They may face consequences for their actions sporadically, but their villainy is catered to and supported in their respective worlds. I feel the influx of the girlboss villain has more to do with this particular moment in time. Capitalism and whiteness are being rightfully critiqued. White women have played a much larger role in oppression than most people like to admit or believe. And I think these characters are simply a necessary kind of reckoning. The girlboss character in Shrill was evil not because she had power, but because she was a classist gatekeeper. Her character was written by Aidy Bryant to highlight the blindspots women like her have; and how it creates a harmful environment, and brand of feminism that’s widely accepted and rarely scrutinized. I believe it is possible to critique a woman (or type of woman) without critiquing all women.
Wow, you had a platform to speak on a women's issue & your main point is "women are the oppressors". The fact that you chose "white women" doesn't matter. You still chose to blame women. Blame a woman...any woman. We've heard this statement before, in the eighties it was black women & asian women are also under attack now. Throughout history, men have always put blame on women when they start to fear our power. They just change which race of women they blame, but it's ALWAYS a woman. You are SO transparent, take your misogyny elsewhere.
Oh come on Daenerys wasn't some tyrant in waiting. d+D just butchered her.
Also I completely agree with the misogynist lens of the takedown of girlboss villains. In my country a deputy chief justice was pushed to resign and vilified for pinching a guard's nose at a security check and telling him "know people". Meanwhile there's a governor who's still in office yet he was involved in the murder of his pregnant mistress and even said he'll run for president. An MP is still in office after shooting a DJ in the neck in point blank range. The DJ survived but he's paralysed.
That's terrible
Nah she was a tyrant
@@ianvera4299 cool
@@GM-vr4eb 😉
Great video on the misogyny behind the villainous girlboss. However, if you go into enough detail to suggest how the character design should be adjusted, it should have been addressed that even in this video there was not a single black woman to be seen in a clip. This is of course a problem in and of itself as there are likely not many films with characters of black female CEOs but should be mentioned in a video like this nonetheless to bring attention to the lack of diversity.
Basically it doesn't matter weather its a guy or girl. There's good bosses and there's bad bosses everywhere. I'm surprised she didn't mention Joy from "Joy" I feel that movie does a great job (realistically and accurately) portraying the girlboss trope.
Damn, that is a strong video. As a woman in man's world myself (I'm an automatic engineer) it really hit me, how I didn't even notice that huge difference in approaching the failure in man vs. woman driven companies/projects. Thank you for that video!
Can we not stand up for Elizabeth Holmes? The difference for me with Theranos is that she was always the face of that company, and she used that to her advantage. It's different to the examples you provided.
I agree with you, honestly.
People would not support a man who did what Elizabeth Holmes did. We shouldn't support her either.
The Daenerys' storyline was BUTCHERED by the writers though
That's the point of this video, though, that most of these girl bosses have been shafted by bad writing, usually by men.
The storyline was great. Dany made it clear early on that she was a monster in waiting. Audience fell in love with her like they do charismatic politicians and then act surprised when they turn out to be a monster.
Disagree I am a feminist however Danny's character was very clear it would turn out as evil, however the way that it was executed was horrible. Since the beginning we root for her because she was the underdog, however she was a conquer and she make it very clear that you are on her side or you are the enemy. Also since the beginning it was told many times the tendency of the members of her family to become "crazy", I mean they practice incest so not suprised with that thing. For me her story represent how power can corrupt people, for example her story is very similar to a lot of dictators, that start following a good cause and end it up being power hungry. Indeed Dany is not exactly bad so her character is so complex for that reason, in her point of view she is doing the correct things however for other she was the bad one. So the clues were since the beggining but the way they represented felt rush and stupid.
Favorite girlbosses that aren't portrayed flatly:
Bryane in Grace & Frankie
Jaqueline in The Bold Type
Jules in The Intern
They all have flaws and struggle, but this makes them human and in the end great leaders.
I forgot Silvie in Emily in Paris!
Princess Caroline (Bojack Horseman) she is a Girlboss who gets everything she wants, but she constantly is working for get it
Nuance!
Sigourney Weaver's character being dissed for her thin body probably hurt because I am sure she was dieting a lot in real life and curves were falling out of favor. It reminds me of some Bridget Jones fanfics I read in the past where Mark would describe some slim woman's body unfavorably but still go to bed with her and he's comparing her often to Bridget. And we're supposed to feel bad if it turns out that the slim woman was just using him for sex. Good for her.
I think it was just an insult
@@Chris-rg6nm All insults are taken and given as personal attacks.
The Boys was doing SO WELL for me w/ their girl boss narrative until the “plot twist” about the female politician. It left such a bad taste in my mouth, esp. since the audience consistently drew comparisons between her and AOC. It’s like this insidious notion that no woman attempting for power can be trusted w/ it (but of course men are Human™️ and so you’ve gotta go with the best man for the job even if he’s flawed)
I don't believe that was the intention behind that decision. But for me, I'm waiting for Season 3 to put my judgement behind it since it's possible the character is more nuanced than what she seems. She might be blackmailed by Vought for example. I have enough respect for how the show is written to give them the benefit of the thought.
No one attempting to gain power should be trusted, full stop. And as cool as AOC is, she still functions within the US political system making her susceptible to the same critiques
Starlight's a girlboss in season three. Actually more like a co-captain but still she's in a position of power and she's genuinely using it to try to reform The Seven. Only problem is Homelander doesn't like it and, after going on a rampage and getting a boost with white men over it, loses her power to the white man who lords it over her with his usual cruelty.
I still think the final season of GoT was the most misogynistic thing I’ve ever seen. From justifying rape,
To villafying all female leaders
Truly despicable. I hate that shit with a passion. I’d rather eat my own shit than give HBO or Martin another dime.
Martin has some weird shit of his own when it comes to writing women, stuff that definitely deserves some eyeing in ways that go beyond 'he's writing a sexist world,' but let's be fair here. He basically stepped away and had nothing to do with the show for the entire back half of its run because he disagreed so hard with the shit job they'd started doing... The point where the writing really started taking uncomfortable left-turns and threw out the source material entirely.
Benioff and Weiss and everyone who enabled them in those last seasons are the ones to blame for some of the most braindead and often misogynistic BS late GoT pulled out.
It was really sad that BookSansa’s compassion was seen as a liability, to swiftly shed- & that the character we saw during the Battle of the Blackwater just disappeared into the ether.
I will always believe there _were_ ways to make Dany the villain, if that’s the endgame for her character (I’m thinking it might be) - but we needed *actual* progression, not a flipped switch in less than a single season, & some retroactive pointing out actions of previous seasons, after the fact- especially when the writers gave less of a stuff about continuity than those of us who were watching every season...
Yara kinda simply exists as the lesbian/ bisexual titillation; there’s not a lot of conversation about what kind of a leader she’d be in Dany’s new world- we sort of know what kind of leader she is before then, because Theon spells it out at the Kingsmoot - she’s just _there_ at the faux Great Council- seemingly to spar with Arya, & *not* assert the Iron Islands’ independence at all.
The less said about Dorne, the better... everyone forgets that Brienne is actually an heiress (including her) she’s the only child of the Lord of Tarth- & it’s never addressed...
Cersei’s character just got boring- I think/ hope in the books, she’s gonna go nuclear- but in the show, after blowing up the Sept- she’s kind of just- there, ‘til she bites it- in the least satisfying manner imaginable...
Martin really had nothing to do with the last season so he's not really deserving the blame for that.
also in the past year I've seen at least 4 pieces of media with a girl boss villain who's arc went exactly like this:
1. girlboss enters and is respected
2. girlboss makes strong and proactive decisions that are fair, but slightly disagreeable to some people
3. girlboss isn't so respected anymore
4. community does everything to try to humiliate girlboss
5. girlboss is humiliated,
6. but then protagonist finds out about her childish/infertility/pregnancy
7. girlboss undergoes major character viewpoint because of this revelation. Now associated with desperate motherhood, girlboss is partly redeemed, but only if she promises to now be a background character forever.
Examples just now from the top of my head: Holly from sex education, Alicia Sierra from la casa de papel, Nellie from the office, Jan from the office, Madeline from Emily in Paris, the list fucking goes on it’s hilarious
Edit: I almost didn't want to watch that new movie don't look up because of this trope. like seriously? we haven't even HAD a female president yet but you think from all the roads this mockumentary could take, this one is the most realistic? Villainising a female president as a 'karen' before we've even had her? Watching the trailer I literally thought to myself wow they made the president female probably because we should vehemently despise the character and that only works when it's a "stuck up" woman in power.
The thing I notice here is that some these characters are written by men and dicussed by men hence the lack of perceived humanity . A good example of that is how Franck and Claire Underwood were perceived differently while they exhibit the same traits of ruthlessness and ambition .
I agree with this 💯👍
Men can write women to have perceived humanity. Do you think that if a woman wrote a man, he wouldn't have perceived humanity?
@@greywolf7577 a man can but its kind of rare or if they try they aren't very good at it.
I was thinking of the devil meets Prada
While I kinda noticed before, it really wasn't until Game Of Thrones with Daenerys that I noticed how often they use the whole empowered female character who liberates people then ends up turning into a Supervillain despite having good intentions. They play a much needed savior but then they turn her into a villain out of nowhere because of a single act... Yet hilariously GOT is a world where nobody had bat an eye before whether atrocities where committed by both heroes and villains, but somehow Daenerys was were everybody drew the line as being too "evil" despite a world full of violent rapists.
Is a character trope that has bad implications because they imply that females can't have too much power or try to change the world for the better because eventually they'll end up turning into violent villains.. yet a Male character can obtain unlimited power without getting corrupted in a dozen stories and even kill villains without being called out for it, yet when a female character does the same it instantly turns into a "fallen woman" story or she's a "Dark Chick".
You are feeding into feminism too much. Daenerys killed fleeing women and children and burned them to a crisp. This violent streak was in her DNA, everyone knew about her ancestor that did the same thing.
There are million of stories that show when a man gets too much power they become corrupted too. Thats a trope in itself.
This. I’m glad that a lot of people who critiqued season 8, pointed this double standard. Why is Daenryas crazy for doing things that other male characters have done.
@@PrincessLioness I know right, burn one city of innocent people to the ground and now everyone calls you crazy.
@@Chris-rg6nm I’m not talking about that part. I’m talking about all the previous moments that D&D pointed to as foreshadowing for her going crazy. Daenrys never went too far until that moment. It was a rushed character arc that was a symptom of the writing problems of the later seasons as a whole.🙄
The amount of people who wanted Daenerys to go mad for years because “think about those poor slave owners and rapists she killed!”...😒
If this is the last video of the year, thank you, Team The Take, for all the videos essays and a big hug to all of you who love my comments.
Is shiv a villian? I thought she was kinda of neutral since she flip flops all the time
Everyone in Succession is kind of a villain
She is really cruel towards Tom. You kinda root for him to betray her.
Electra from pose captures the nuances of a girl boss with character dimension.
As much as it needs to stop on screens, it actually needs to stop in real life as well.
I’ve had female managers who were actually worse than male bosses. And looking back it feels like they were worse because of their own insecurities, they were constantly pushing me down so another woman would never take their spot.
Constantly thinking I was after their job, I never wanted their job and I sure as hell would never want it if it meant behaving the way they did towards their employees.
The bold type’s Jacqueline Carlyle is how a girl boss should be
Bad characters that are female is not necessarily misogyny. Sometimes in story's, the villain is a female.
Whenever someone plays the gender card in a situation like this, it trivializes the times actual misogyny occurs.
This conversation is much more complex & nuanced than "not necessarily misogyny" & I hope you won't pretend that we actually have good representation of women in power compared to men. There's no reason why the (mostly) men who say & write these characters should get to decide whether they were misogynistic.
This is about hundreds and thousands of times when actual misogyny is occurring due to inadequate representation on screen.
Bosses make for good villain, because the viewers identify themselves with less powerful characters, not with those who are on the top giving orders. It's all about criticizing power and rooting for the underdogs. A man boss is a villain. A woman boss is a "girlboss villain". A black boss is a black boss villain. Bosses are bossy and that's it.
Everyone in Succession is a villain though.
"Representation matters, we need more diversity"
10 minutes later
"Oh, but not like THAT"
Funny how I was thinking about this trope this morning.
You must be psychic, very on point! 🔮❤️
I find this critique to be as blind as the biased-seeming reason you don’t like how Miranda is written on And Just Like That. Those of us that constantly encounter this person, have to live near them in the neighborhoods we are losing, have to work with or under etc etc, would like a word.
I don't expect women bosses to be better or different than male bosses. I expect them to have masculine traits, because that's what the business world demands. The rules of capitalism determines the behaviour, NOT the gender. Outside of her work I expect her to have a submissive househusband (think of Shiv and Tom in Succession), just like many powerful men wants a submissive housewife.
totally agree
Just my personal opinion but in recent years two of the few girlbosses I enjoyed seeing were The Boys’ Stormfront and Sex Education’s Hope. I find that interesting because out of the majority of prevalent girlbosses, they are arguably some of the worst. I feel it works because of the specific stories which they’re written in.
How is Stormfront a girl boss? She's just a superhero/villian
@@Chris-rg6nm Stormfront is the girlbossiest of all girlbosses
We've girlbossed too close to the sun
Lol
This is taking internet culture speak took far… while I think some of these criticisms are valid, many of these characters are far more nuanced to be called just a “girlboss”. Am I the only one who thinks this term is really stupid?
The term is stupid. Ironically I've never heard a woman self-subscribe to it but the media cycle and pop culture picked it up like wildfire because society is obsessed with humbling women. "What's the next big term we can weaponize against females now?" Cheugy? Basic? Girlboss? Diva? So glad I'm at the age where I can see past it but met a lot of younger women mostly gen z with internalized misogyny who generalize successful older women as Girl Bosses and Cheugy. So yes, agreed, some of these characters are more nuanced than the term endears but a lot of people already blanket that term onto these characters.
This video feels like contradicts some of their past videos
a girl boss, much like the old boss, the same old sociopath boss.
what else did you expect.
LMAO not Miss Theranos with her creepy eyes in the background 😂
Can someone name a female boss that is portrayed as a good person/ boss?
Leslie Knope, Amy Santiago
Sir Integra Hellsing, human leader of the titular Hellsing vampire hunting organization. In world of vampires, vampire nazis, and wealthy mediocre white males; she's still the most intimidating person in the room.
@@emmal2932 ....They're portrayed to be this extremely ocd figure tho. Not like actually complex neutral character. Not to mention they're shown to be looking upto men that are portrayed much more cold & neutral(& still likable). Amy is shown as a teacher's pet. They're not shown as sort of these "self-affirmed neutral complex" male characters that are liked by society....
Captain Janeway on Star Trek Voyager is one, I think.
Lucy Lu's character in Set it Up
In the beginning of "Devil wears Prada", Andy was supposed to be a journalist. So at the end she's not really "sacrificing anything for a romantic balance", she's refusing the job that wasn't her choice anyway (and had completely consumed her). She starts anew as a journalist for some small newspaper, getting back to her original ambition
Girl bosses don’t have to be villains all the time
Agreed, the original meaning was not insidious. However currently, the term girl boss is mostly used to condemn.
I love the take for this
The Take, I love what you guys are doing. Could you please do a video on this topic?
The Pregnant Woman trope in horror movies, such as:
Women getting impregnated by aliens.
Women turning into bloated hives for alien reproduction.
A woman giving birth to a demonic child.
A woman carrying a baby for an evil cult.
Even men getting impregnated by an otherworldly seductress.
Misogynist, sexist, rape culture or just pushing a fear of aliens and demons?
Is it possible to make a story arc where the woman who was impregnated, is recovering from this mental scarring?
Reminds me of Alien Vs Predator....
First person who came to mind when thinking of a good example of a multidimensional female CEO who isn't villanized for anything is Anne Hathaways character in The Intern. She builds her business by prioritizing customer service, collaborates with her workers, and when she has trouble with her marriage, it isn't framed as her fault, but her husbands for cheating on her. Great movie, too, highly recommend!
I remember when this channel was the best and smart enough to understand no one is making villians out of ambitious women but telling important stories of how people are ruined because of their passion.
Feels like they only look at things from one perspective
Why don't male characters ever have that problem? 🤔
Yeah I agree. I remember first coming across this channel a couple years ago and was so into it, but I feel like as more time goes on they're just making these hollow feminist critiques and focusing on identity politics rather than nuanced critique of film/character
Over the past year this channel is getting more and more corny. Everything is viewed in a woke feminist lens. Now they are actually selling Weird Girl merchandise 😆.
I hope you guys could do a take on the “Evil Roman Matrons”, the trope in TV series and films about Rome times where the empresses and noble ladies are ruthless cutthroat survivors who schemes and plots to bring their children to the throne.
Have you watched "Domina"? The central matron is pretty nuanced, probably because she is the main character of the series.
@@julietteangeli yes, I’ve watched it. I quite like it. The scenery were stunning, the women are nuanced and three-dimensional. I love Livia, she’s such a cutthroat protagonist.
One of my biggest issues with this series is how it demonizes tropes that are meant to elevate the content creator as oppose to ''offending'' people for the sake of doing it.....The reason these tropes work so well is because WE as the consumers respond so well to them because if they were really as big of a deal as the Take make them out to them, then there would've been a far cry long time ago. This is why fans of Harry Potter ended up attacking this channel when the Take decided to demonize Harry over things he no control over such as aspects of his behavior. As a result, the clip got removed after the backlash.......So sum up my point, the Take isn't doing much but diminishing any education that us viewers come into as we began to make sense out of things such as writing or art......While you may think you're being educated on this channel, it's actually the opposite where you're being alienated more and more from your own truth as artists or writers.
They take some bold leaps and read into things that were probably writer mistakes, oversights, or just bad writing and read intention into it. Drives me nuts about any left leaning commentary, reading into things.
@@lauraberg6272 you can only have so many tropes until there's nothing left to write about so what's the point in complaining about every single one of them?
Olivia pope and Annalise Keating falls into the girlboss trope as well.
Shiv is much more of a complicated and nuanced character to just be referred to as girl boss lol
This is an excellent critique! Great work as always. When is the name of this creator?
Just finished S3 of Sex Ed this morning, and one thing that I liked about Hope's portrayal is that they took the time to show what pressures she was under. I did not agree with her methodology, but I could understand why she was making the decisions she did. I also loved the final hospital scene, further humanizing her, even after ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead at school.
On a side note, I've found a lot of amazing TV by paying attention to what shows y'all are using for clips. Next on my list: The Wilds. And can anyone tell me what show the Blake Lively clips are from?
That's Blake Lively in the movie A simple favor
@@claranguematio6717 Thank You!
I’d really like to see a video on Bridget jones diary. You’ve mentioned it in other videos but idk I just want a more in depth take on it. I personally think daniel and her fit better. But I also love mark darcy so I’d think it’d be interesting
Would like to see a video of the misogyny, racism, and homophobia of Entourage.
Nope, the critique is valid. If the trope is misogynistic, it's because girlbosses are misogynstic.
You need to be competitive to thrive, man or woman. It’s just hard to be liked at the same time. I’m a 20y/o guy, super ambitious & a lot of people are repelled on autopilot... I’m learning to deal with it now because I understand that it’s a necessary sacrifice, I have to constantly simply my life so I can focus on my goals...Rarely get my cake & eat it too.
Women are forced to choose between family or career because we understand that it truly is hard to excell in both at the same time, since they will be doing more work than the man in both the job and at home. We are taught to always outperform ourselves and other people in order to succeed in our family or in our work, since we will be expected to prove ourselves much more than our male counterparts. Overdoing yourself in one field is exhausting enough, what's left for two. Men are expected to be more career-oriented and it is widely accepted that they won't be doing as much at home, as opposed to their wives. So the feminism and equality based society nowadays simply can't provide women with the means to not have to choose betwen your personal and work life, not until men understand what it is to be faced with the same choice.
Women with power get them to care!
In my opinion, what needs to be highlighted is that men can be glorified for certain things that women are shamed for. Most biopics about successful men have the similar trope of starting from humble roots, getting huge success, being addicted to drugs and sex, loses his marriage and family, business suffers and then eventually realizes his mistake and gets back on top. Classic example of this trope is Wolf of Wall Street or Catch Me if You Can. However, biopic movies on women always revolve around how she needs to fight against the society and patriarchy to get her position. I have till now not seen a movie where a "girlboss" is enjoying her success by hosting extravagant parties and constantly having sex instead you will see her spending sleepless nights working to keep her position. Even in real life, when men like Leonardo DiCaprio and Scott Disick date multiple younger women, no one judges them and the men are entitled to be proud of it. While for women dating multiple partners like Taylor Swift can only garner hate and scrutiny from the media. We allow men to enjoy their success but look down on women when they do so. If men have messed up family life due to their jobs its okay and is excused by the society but if a women doesn't devote enough time for her family she is too career-motivated and an uncaring wife/mother.
Is not political, "real men" need to have there women tamed. Would like more women fighting back screw that.
@@ratmon19 i agree with this 💯👍
There is no polite way of saying this, but I dont think you got the topic at all. The trope that a "good woman" becomes a leader and then turns cruel, uncaring or just behaves as all her (male) predecessors is not inherently misogynistic - it exemplifies that not the gender turns a leader into a cruel boss, but the situation. Women, as depicted, are not inherently better leaders.
Becoming a good leader is a classic heros journey. It involves making mistakes, learning from them, growing as a character and then using the newly developed skills benevolently for your colleagues. And this is indepent of gender or sex. All sexes and genders have to go through the learning curve.
Wow...its almost like women can be awful people, too
Can't portray that too much these days though
Really? Are you really arguing that women have better representation than men?
Women have always been portrayed as capable of evil in media. Who are the biggest villains in most teen sitcoms? Mean girls.
Very disappointed that there was no race intersection about who the "girl boss" often hurts in real life - Black and poc women.
I was scared you forgot Sandra Bullock's role from The Proposal. I'm happy that it's on here!
Shiv isn’t a villain, sure, she’s an asshole but no more than her brothers and definitely very far away from being as evil as her father. I don’t think she’s supposed to be a villain plus she’s so fine, she can never be a villain in my eyes lol
The best example of a non villain girl boss was Kat Gram from Supergirl, she was basically the demanding, perfectionist mother that Kara needed and she always made it clear she knew what was going on but was subtle enough to keep things secret for Kara’s sake.
beyond the girlboss trope, male characters who are villains or anti heroes are easily sympathized with in the media and lusted after despite doing terrible things
@@theunknown5386 i was more talking about like serial killers and cannibal characters being simped over, and framed by the media theyre in the be redeemable and charismatic. But you do have a point about one dimensional “strong girl” characters are presented as feminist icons, and some female viewers bye into it, while theyre just… carbon copies of male characters and can sometimes get away with being meaner.
Honestly I think the biggest problem with this trope is that it trivialises the systematic problem of capitalism to an individual problem: i.e. suggesting that the problem with capitalism is that there is a certain bad person in power, rather than that the system itself is inherently unequal and destructive.
As a masculine woman it literally blows my mind what feminine women consider to be masculine lol. None of these women seem remotely masculine to me. Maybe not hyper-feminine, but certainly not masculine. I can understand how gender-comforming cis(het) people could maybe see it that way though.
It really cracks me up what cishet folks think is Butch. 😂
I think they’re thinking about demanor more so than looks. They may dress feminine, but their attitude is considered masculine.
Women with flaws are not anti-feminist
IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH!
The Take seems to be downplaying how evil Marla is from “I Care A Lot.” Any clips of the shooting scene on TH-cam have all the people celebrating it in the comments. Her downfall was deserved in their eyes. Somehow The Take is framing it as scary man shoots poor woman.
They really didn't.
I think more importantly this video failed to note that just like how despicable male characters (Who are routinely worshipped by male viewers), are often humanized in TV and film, so was the Marla character
I mean she had a romantic partner, who she genuinely loved and adored. And this inclusion of her tender relationship with Fran was clearly placed there to highlight that the most morally reprehensible people can also be complex
@@zetizahara
Something I've noted about general online commentary about I Care A Lot is that it is mainly MEN in comment sections, pathetically and bitterly ranting about how awful Marla is, as if she is a real person.
Very telling 😏
@@Garcelle1987 I checked on a clip of the final shooting scene and I see both men and women celebrating her death. Only woke feminist types seethed about it.
@@Garcelle1987 it's no news to me that male misogyny often manifests in creepy obsessions with hating female fictional characters. Skylar White, for instance.