@@lilairfryer6049 Honestly? Given current world events I would have expected them to not rely on the F-14 vs 5th gen fighters stuff so much. I mean they really made a point about being wrong about that.
Fun fact: the guns fire about 20x faster than shown in the movie, the missiles travel about 3-10x faster than shown in the movie, and inverting the throttles on an f14 makes it roll, if it doesn't just drop and die.
Idunno whats more unrealistic, the su57 having a hard time taking down a tomcat, or the radar having a hard time distinguishing the difference between a jet and terrain
True, but I will hate it if it enforces Reformer bullshit because people can't tell the difference. Thankfully, at least our MIC has some not complete morons in acquisition.
how ? - pre flaring instead of the nonsense of flares detonating missiles - use that supermaneuverability stunt BEFORE the missile gets launched - use terrain masking against the enemy instead of "confuse its sensors" nonsense - and ffs make the Vulcan shoot like a rotary not WW2 M2 browning it could have been 100% realistic AND still kept the same flow of events, pacing and feel its just LAZY they dropped the ball on the finale
@@snowi9585 You can use jump cuts to reduce the downtime between cool moments and increase the pace and cool factor. IMO that would _increase_ the cool factor by miles, because instead of using jump cuts to stretch out 30 seconds of action into 3 minutes by showing 4 different perspectives (one for each pilot and a third person perspective of the entire thing), you could use those jump cuts to pack 20-60 minutes of nail-biting tenseness into 3 minutes of just the cool stuff, plus a bit of joking over the radio. For me, I can definitely see where they stretched out the action to get their money's worth out of less footage, and it kinda makes me sad we can't increase the real content and decrease the screen time to match what's needed instead of doing it the other way around.
Everybody arguing over the authenticity of the movie, while me and my buddy who flew jets out of Elmendorf AFB went and saw this and he just kept getting more hyped about it. I even made the comment about it being a little wacky a tomcat put up any kind of fight against a 57 and he just waved his hand around and said "yeah, but it was flown by Tom Cruise." Turns out, a little inauthenticity is okay when the whole movie is freaking awesome
Yeah I especially like the part with the drunk 90s kids singing 70s songs in the bar. Or when Tom Cruise stole a jet after being grounded and didn't go straight to prison. Or when he bailed out at mach 10 and survived. Or when this movie ruined the original.
It’s a real, very possibly move. Just really, really bad idea to do so. Doing this in a fight would get you smoked, since you just lost most of your speed. Also wingmen.
@@vortex_1911 imagine if any of the american planes would have just aimed at the big flat target standing still in mid air and sprayed some bullets. Quite literally like shooting at the side of a barn.
Fun Fact: The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
Missed opportunity here, you're right the song works. I'm a recently retired F-15C pilot and while neither Top Gun movie is a documentary, the first one was the reason why I flew jets for over 20 years.
The most unrealistic part isn't the low rate of fire on the guns, nor the fact the Tomcat's 20mm and SU-57's 30mm rounds are bouncing off each other, or even the totally ambiguous enemy nation which just randomly owns 4 SU-57 and has a landscape akin to New England. Rather, its the idea that a group of jets would engage in some War Thunder-esque furball all within a mile of each other.
@@crocidile90 It could be Iran but it could also be a fictional American insurgency with Russian backing or take place in a totally fictional world because the flora and terrain look like New England and the Tomcats and SU-57 don't show any signs of being part of the IRIAF.
I cannot really argue with that. He definitely knows how to tickle that temperamental bird. If any fighter could have benefited from fly-by-wire, it was the Tomcat.
fun fact splitting the throttle is possible on the f14 and could in theory do this trick but to do it without immediately stalling the jet and starting a flat spin is so close to impossible you might as well not try
its not like he pulls one engine's power down to 0, its simply 1 engine at 100% and the other on AB and only done for a few seconds. most of the rolling in the F-14 is done with the rudder and differential elevator movement because the ailerons are unavailable when the wings are not extended so the throttle split allows to increase the effectiveness of the rudder at the start of the turn.
Yep. After all iirc there's only 7 operational Su-57s in the world... And I'm pretty sure that number was from before the Ukraine invasion. So chances are that number has only gone down.
General : "Maverick! That's a dangerous move that could get both of you killed! What's your excuse now?!" Maverick : "Freebird was playing sir" General : "Fair enough..."
The sheer ability of a fifth generation airframe is absurd. These craft are no longer limited by their machinery, but by the physical limitations of their pilot's body.
@@CocoNut-yd1ri Mihaly Dumitru Margareta Corneliu Leopold Blanca Karol Aeon Ignatius Raphael Maria Niketas A. Shilage: "this aircraft is my body. If it is not enough, I must put my soul into it."
@@CocoNut-yd1rithat's been a problem since gen 4 aircraft were a thing. The F16 and pretty much every gen 4 and onwards aircraft have to be limited to 9g's since their pilots would pass out too fast if they weren't. They can go abit beyond that before the airframe starts taking permanent damage.
As a person who knows nothing about aircraft, I find this scene is so cool to watch, and I'm happy with it. I don't need those knowledge anyway, so thank you.
Never noticed how at 0:52 the nose of the SU-57 actually interferes with the smoke trail of the missile. You can see it disperse just there. Great detail.
@@bravoalpha101st they are both great on their own right. DCS (though I haven’t played it) is an amazing simulator and AC is great for that wacky and unrealistic feeling
@@t-topgarage7887 If they were to get the jump on the enemy jet, then let's assume they at least have a slim chance of winning. The gap in technological advancements is too big for just experience and skill to cover. Sure, the F-14 was advanced for its time, but advanced enough to have a dogfight and win said dogfight against a 5th gen? That's what's called a delusion.
No aircraft can fly straight through an explosion without anysort of damage, however, I greatly appreciate the thought and effort that went into the movie and the cockpits where outstanding
Film seems pretty realistic to me... I mean we go from the 80's of flipping off MiG 28's, banging instructors, playing volleyball, buzzing towers, saving the effin day to this one. His jet exploding, losing his job, gaining a new one. Getting thrown outta bars.... Losing new job, gaining it back, exploding jet again, new "old" jet for some nostalgia to almost exploding again. Went from thrive to survive.
@@user-kc6qr5eo1k It has the same RCS as the F-18, it's not even stealthy which is the entire point of fifth gen fighters. The super manoeuvrability their plane stands on is a meme, it won't be used in 99.9% of engagements and most other fifth gen fighters can do the same stunts anyway.
@@freevbucks8019 lol what? A cobra maneuver can be made by a fucking MIG-29, a plane which first flew in 1977 lmao. Maverick literally does a cobra in an F-18 against Rooster in the same movie this clip was taken from. You are thinking of a completely different maneuver, of which there are clips on TH-cam of the F-22 performing with ease. We've no indication that there is anything that the SU-57 can do, that the F-22 can't do better.
Dude, the dogfights may be unrealistic, but the fight is actually really well made. fast-paced, think fast moments for a bunch, the list goes on and on and on. I MOSTLY like how the enemy fighter is actually even level of Maverick and Rooster like the same level, but slightly lower. The movie wasn't bad at all, but is nothing compared to the first one.
i love how the su pilot has no problem doing some crazy manoeuvre but when the f14 flies out of the valley he just stays there and lets them get behind him
The AIM 54 is actually an excellent missile, the U.S Retired it early because they didn't use it much, and didn't use it well, but Iranian Pilots have used it to great success
@@ranimdudeThe shots of them in the cockpits are real, but they’re in the back because actual military pilots are piloting aircraft. They just cut it to make it look like Tom Cruise or Rooster are the ones flying. As they wanted real life film instead of cgi. It’s part of the reason they’re using F-18s for the movie and this stealth mission instead of F-35s. As the 35 is only a single seater while the 18 is a dual seater.
Also the actors were controlling the cameras on top of being the actors in the back/"front" seats. It was pretty crazy how far they went to try and make this look real
@@infinite683 And, while I know this is a month old, and it's kinda obvious, but Single seater variants of the F-18 exist now, which while they used double seaters for the shots in the cockpits, plot wise and outside the cockpits, they are using single seaters. Again, it's just to help sell a lie, but it's amazing how far they go with nice camera angles, edits, and combining both footage of double seaters and single seaters (real or CGI'd up) to make us believe the actors are flying the planes, even when they're not. I even love the knowledge that they used a real F-14 from a museum for the ground and final carrier scenes, but CGI'd up an F-18 to look like the Tomcat for when they were "in the air" and "in the cockpit". Again, amazing what they did to help sell a lie all for us to believe and enjoy the movie, realistic or not.
@@mono9702 in the og top gun the usaf and army allowed them to use fighters without using them to engage other fighters, the missiles and bullets i'm pretty sure are cgi, but the planes are not
well the bullets and missiles are cgi but the planes aren’t and the US military have replicas of the F-14 as an artifact and it’s possible that they asked the military to use one of them and get it working before the filming since it was part of the script and all of this might be a theory we arent all sure yet
@@redacted229 Yes, of course, the weaponry would be cgi but the actually jets themselves would be a partial mix. Like how the studio most definitely would not have an actual Sughoi 57
Aye that would be nice. Think hartmann should get his own movie. Especialy now that russia is hated by 60% of the worlds population, since hartmann scored most of his kills over the soviet union.
Anyone who plays bf4, get in an AJ little bird, play this song, and you’ll get a minimum of 60 kills with that helicopter, straight up dodging rockets and diving under bridges kinda gameplay.
I listened to this while playing WT, the map had a capture point under a bridge, i got the stuka with 3, 500kg bombs, flied under it, throw 2 of them then went away, 4x kill
@@kalamari3288 yeah, the moment I saw the jet at the start making a sharp turn(relative to how much it really would’ve been theoretically able to) at Mach 10, my expectations for realism were shattered😅
@@themolasser9110 that’s the speed the Dark Star(I believe it was called), was going. For reference, the SR-71 blackbird, which has a maximum speed of Mach 3.3, take about 4 minutes to make a full 180° turn at Mach 3.2 and an altitude of 80,000 feet. I would share my source for that, but TH-cam doesn’t allow links. Can’t say for certain if it’s trustworthy or not.
According to this movie, a Su-57's targeting system (it appears they both use IR missiles so radar isn't a factor) is unable to break out a plane from the ground while the 40 year old Tomcat's can.
Imagine being a fighter pilot and being scrambled to intercept a bogey fighter, and as you fly alsonside the bogey, you inform the bogey pilot that he is entering restricted airspace, but then you hear that he is playing free bird, and your like "oh shi-*gets shot*.
People saying that the other plane’s targeting system being confused by the ground is unrealistic, but tbh a Russian plane having avionics that are old/as (un)sophisticated as the F-14’s is probably the most credible part of the whole sequence
Even though unrealistic, I admit that I loved this dog fight. Portrayal of two highly skilled pilots, and the move that pilot did to dodge Maverick's missile was absolutely beautiful.
People in this comment section really just embody the 🤓 emoji, like holy shit you people make Sheldon Cooper sound like a fun guy to hang out with Edit: spelling
@@mymicrowaveisonfire25 there's lots of people who do! They can be all over the place. Military Museums with volunteers have lots of people like that if you every wanna ask them.
@@Tkmined Clearly I haven't lol, it just bothers me how people will get mad over a Hollywood action movie with Tom motherfreakin' Cruise in it not being realistic
I know this movie was a bit unrealistic but atleast the actual dogfight (excluding the typical missiles being dummies part) was actually somewhat realistic.
Tbh the fight isnt even that unrealistic. The most unrealistic thing is both not passing out when maverick tiled the aircraft forward after the cobra. That looked like solid -4 or -5 G over 4 or 5 Second. Them not passing out is unrealistic. To be clear -G forces are way worse then normal G forces. It presses blood into the brain easiely ripping blood vessels.
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wait what
Its a russian plane, don’t except too much
Lmao
@@Akagi_11222 Hah! How the turns have tabled.
Fun fact: this maneuver cannot be performed in a Nissan ultima without proper training
Fake news, i do this all the time when a need to dodge a missile sent my way by a Ford Focus
Keyword : "Without proper training". Aight I know an civilian based Toyota Altis wont possibly be able to replicate such maneuvers. But fuck that
BRO ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME YOU CAN FLY A NISSAN ULTIMA??
This is why I drive the Nissan Maxima, the superior Nissan
Out of curiosity did you get the proper training from a roundabout video?
war thunder up tiering be like:
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_"Rank doesn't matter"_
You are also probably reasearching an f86 Sabre too
@@felion_ how the hell-
When you play the f16 in war thunder then you suddenly see a X-02S Strike Wyvern (your radar can't see shit)
Unrealistic? Yes. Bad ass? Yes.
Maybe if it was a game. Live-actioning this is intellectually insulting. May as well have been a Steven Segal movie.
@@yawningpheonix When one expects his life to be changed by a Top Gun movie. :/
@@yawningpheonix dude its a tom cruise movie...think you might be overreacting a bit 😆
@@yawningpheonix “intellectually insulting” my guy did you turn up expecting them to unify the theories of General Relativity and Quantum Physics?
@@lilairfryer6049 Honestly? Given current world events I would have expected them to not rely on the F-14 vs 5th gen fighters stuff so much. I mean they really made a point about being wrong about that.
Fun fact: Most modern radars are able to differentiate between the ground and a jet.
fun fact: no one invites you to parties
@@yak141freestyle2 xD
Fun fact: the guns fire about 20x faster than shown in the movie, the missiles travel about 3-10x faster than shown in the movie, and inverting the throttles on an f14 makes it roll, if it doesn't just drop and die.
@@puppergump4117 no that actually works on the F14, there are examples of highly skilled F14 pilots doing it
Fun fact: su-57s probably can't
even though its unrealistic asf, i appreciate how the 'bad guy' is actually on a similar skill level. And not just getting absolutely rolled.
he isn't on a similar skill level... he just has a 5th generation fighter. if he was on a similar skill level tom cruise would be dead
@@floodster damn, so they just hand out limited 5th gen fighters to rookies?
@@johnnyanderson2-roblox185 Looks like it to me.
Still I just love that airborne handbrake turn/falling leaf move the SU57 pilot pulls!!
@@johnnyanderson2-roblox185 he’s not a rookie he’s just not as good
Idunno whats more unrealistic, the su57 having a hard time taking down a tomcat, or the radar having a hard time distinguishing the difference between a jet and terrain
Su57 pilot skill issue is real
Idk su57 actually in service seem unrealistic atm
How about both
Didn’t they fix the whole radar can’t tell the difference between jet and ground clutter years ago. This seems more like a Vietnam era problem.
Nah, it is the missiles blowing up when they hit flares for me.
Edit: I am wrong, so countermeasures can blow up missiles.
Guys remember, a realistic jet movie would be boring for someone who's not a jet nerd like us.
True, but I will hate it if it enforces Reformer bullshit because people can't tell the difference.
Thankfully, at least our MIC has some not complete morons in acquisition.
how ?
- pre flaring instead of the nonsense of flares detonating missiles
- use that supermaneuverability stunt BEFORE the missile gets launched
- use terrain masking against the enemy instead of "confuse its sensors" nonsense
- and ffs make the Vulcan shoot like a rotary not WW2 M2 browning
it could have been 100% realistic AND still kept the same flow of events, pacing and feel
its just LAZY they dropped the ball on the finale
@@Asghaad coolness factor. If it makes sense, it ain't action packed and cool.
@@snowi9585 You can use jump cuts to reduce the downtime between cool moments and increase the pace and cool factor. IMO that would _increase_ the cool factor by miles, because instead of using jump cuts to stretch out 30 seconds of action into 3 minutes by showing 4 different perspectives (one for each pilot and a third person perspective of the entire thing), you could use those jump cuts to pack 20-60 minutes of nail-biting tenseness into 3 minutes of just the cool stuff, plus a bit of joking over the radio. For me, I can definitely see where they stretched out the action to get their money's worth out of less footage, and it kinda makes me sad we can't increase the real content and decrease the screen time to match what's needed instead of doing it the other way around.
What about flying a jet through a tunnel?
Maverick: *fires a missile*
Enemy pilot: I'm gonna do what's called a pro-gamer move
*preforms sick twist flip thing*
I’m sorry to say this, but this is me in a biplane on war thunder
@@Xthical Unintentional and uncontrolled : )
Exactly
Everybody gangsta until you accidentally pulled a cobra maneuver while trying to avoid 4 QAAMs in Ace combat PVP
"Ask him to land and regroup"
"I cant sir he's listening to free bird"
I love that both Maverick and the lead guitarist from Lynyrd Skynyrd are both using every trick in the book for this performance
Everybody arguing over the authenticity of the movie, while me and my buddy who flew jets out of Elmendorf AFB went and saw this and he just kept getting more hyped about it.
I even made the comment about it being a little wacky a tomcat put up any kind of fight against a 57 and he just waved his hand around and said "yeah, but it was flown by Tom Cruise."
Turns out, a little inauthenticity is okay when the whole movie is freaking awesome
facts
Yeah I especially like the part with the drunk 90s kids singing 70s songs in the bar. Or when Tom Cruise stole a jet after being grounded and didn't go straight to prison. Or when he bailed out at mach 10 and survived. Or when this movie ruined the original.
@@yawningpheonix Okay cool, you didn't like it. I did.
Not much else there to tell. Unless you want to complain more
@@yawningpheonix lol i guess anyone who watches the original now just won’t like it because this movie exists, how stupid can you be?
@@yawningpheonix yeah i also like the part where its a fictional movie, not a real life simulator
0:53 No matter what anyone says, the fact that the Su-57 is actually capable of performing this maneuver looks super badass
Search up f22 holding on ;)
It’s a real, very possibly move. Just really, really bad idea to do so.
Doing this in a fight would get you smoked, since you just lost most of your speed.
Also wingmen.
@@vortex_1911 imagine if any of the american planes would have just aimed at the big flat target standing still in mid air and sprayed some bullets. Quite literally like shooting at the side of a barn.
@@settratheimperishable4093 That missile would have just gone "thank you very much" and splashed right in the middle...
Cobra!
I hate that the machine guns shoot at WW1 machine gun speed when it's literally supposed to be a laser of tracers in real life
It looks pretty close to a laser, it’s probably more because the planes are moving so much at such high speed that its more spread out
Not all rounds are tracers. You could have 1 tracer per 5 or even 10, or 20?
It's a Movie
@@bharatsharma3233That's the fun part, even though there's non tracer rounds in the mix, the rate of fire is so fast it looks like all tracer.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD You would not be able to see the Bullets if there weren't any Tracers. High Rate of Fire doesn't change that either
Fun Fact:
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
yes.
Your comment doesn't actually say or mean anything, it ends incoherently in the middle of a random paragraph
You don’t know the meme
Is there a TLDR version of this comment? Reading this made me brain hurt
Also, me explaining why the trash wasn’t at the road for trash pickup when I forgot
0:52 is my fav part. The joystick and the sync with the guitar. 😍
yooo, that is so perfectly in sinc
I got goosebumps lmao
It was nice!
But that sidewinder would have connected 100% lol
about to say this🎸
And the 3 jumpcuts of Mav firing the missile were in sync too!
Missed opportunity here, you're right the song works. I'm a recently retired F-15C pilot and while neither Top Gun movie is a documentary, the first one was the reason why I flew jets for over 20 years.
Ну и как? Ты бы на ф-15 смог бы потягаться против СУ-57?
Really amazing
@@rolfschadkoj9533if the pilot on the SU-57 is very inexperienced, it's possible it'll get shot down. Very experienced? Not so much.
The most unrealistic part isn't the low rate of fire on the guns, nor the fact the Tomcat's 20mm and SU-57's 30mm rounds are bouncing off each other, or even the totally ambiguous enemy nation which just randomly owns 4 SU-57 and has a landscape akin to New England. Rather, its the idea that a group of jets would engage in some War Thunder-esque furball all within a mile of each other.
I mean, at this point I wouldn't doubt it if I saw news that SOME PEOPLE decided to try a Project Wingman-esque furball to even their odds
No one cares lmao
The Tomcats gave it away that it was Iran, the SU-57s being there was just to give Maverick a scary opponent.
@@crocidile90 It could be Iran but it could also be a fictional American insurgency with Russian backing or take place in a totally fictional world because the flora and terrain look like New England and the Tomcats and SU-57 don't show any signs of being part of the IRIAF.
@@AverageAlien You again
He's pushing that thing to the absolute limits. Doing a hammerhead with the split-throttles and manually adjusting the wing sweep... what a boss.
I cannot really argue with that. He definitely knows how to tickle that temperamental bird. If any fighter could have benefited from fly-by-wire, it was the Tomcat.
What do we say when someone knows something we don't kids? NERD!!!!!
@@billrich9722 this is why i propose a new fighter program for the navy, the F28 Tomcat II
0:55
Maverick: snap back to reality
Russian pilot : oh there goes gravity
I see what you did there 😂
0:19 oh there goes Rabbit he choked
It’s okay to be unrealistic, but this just becomes funny
Nah more like becoming cool
Its still more realistic than Ace combat
@@wrathsignature804 I ain't agreeing with a furry
@@EnclaveComsOfficer How about side by side with a friend?
Ok. And?
Fun fact: free bird fits with every action sequence
fun fact splitting the throttle is possible on the f14 and could in theory do this trick but to do it without immediately stalling the jet and starting a flat spin is so close to impossible you might as well not try
its not like he pulls one engine's power down to 0, its simply 1 engine at 100% and the other on AB and only done for a few seconds. most of the rolling in the F-14 is done with the rudder and differential elevator movement because the ailerons are unavailable when the wings are not extended so the throttle split allows to increase the effectiveness of the rudder at the start of the turn.
Its Maverick, though. When pilots in real life have pulled off this maneuver it means Maverick can do it but even more efficiently.
Go watch growling sidewinder use differential thrust in the F14, in his recent videos he really shows the F14s capabilities
the later varients could split the throttle with less risk of killing the engines .
@@stephenfortin9485 it's not so much the risk of killing engines but immediately going into a flat spin
0:52 guy in the helmet: 'FINALLY I GET TO PROVE ITS NOT USELE- oh I forgot everyone else is dead. Oh well'
The most unrealistic part of TG:M is the fact that there are more than 4 SU-57 in the enemy air force lmfao
And that they work.
Nah, they're pretty realistic i'd say. Their radars can't tell the difference between ground and aircraft
@@Shiftinggers yeah, we know
Yep. After all iirc there's only 7 operational Su-57s in the world... And I'm pretty sure that number was from before the Ukraine invasion. So chances are that number has only gone down.
@@GabbieTheFox said 11 Serial production and 10 test aircraft for me tho
General : "Maverick! That's a dangerous move that could get both of you killed! What's your excuse now?!"
Maverick : "Freebird was playing sir"
General : "Fair enough..."
DANMRIGHT GOOD ENOUGH!
the fact that the 57 pilot managed to dodge a missile by basically going up 90 degrees instantly *without* flat spinning is impressive
The sheer ability of a fifth generation airframe is absurd. These craft are no longer limited by their machinery, but by the physical limitations of their pilot's body.
@@CocoNut-yd1ri Mihaly Dumitru Margareta Corneliu Leopold Blanca Karol Aeon Ignatius Raphael Maria Niketas A. Shilage: "this aircraft is my body. If it is not enough, I must put my soul into it."
Falling Leaf manuerver. It's a real thing.
@@CocoNut-yd1rithat's been a problem since gen 4 aircraft were a thing. The F16 and pretty much every gen 4 and onwards aircraft have to be limited to 9g's since their pilots would pass out too fast if they weren't. They can go abit beyond that before the airframe starts taking permanent damage.
i cant believe they actually blew up the jets with the pilots in them
well they didnt
@@Tripintrios no its real, I was one of the engines
@@FriedNoodlee honored to meet you
As a person who knows nothing about aircraft, I find this scene is so cool to watch, and I'm happy with it. I don't need those knowledge anyway, so thank you.
Never noticed how at 0:52 the nose of the SU-57 actually interferes with the smoke trail of the missile. You can see it disperse just there. Great detail.
Fantastic detail!
How many missiles do you think they used until they got it right?
@@tacodias lol
If battlefield had that air brake move…
Ace Combat says hi
It was more of a thrust vector move
@Twisted-Rave DCS...
@@bravoalpha101stthat’s more a simulator tho
@@bravoalpha101st they are both great on their own right. DCS (though I haven’t played it) is an amazing simulator and AC is great for that wacky and unrealistic feeling
Legends says that you can do anything if the "free bird riff" starts to hit
SU-57: Yes
me going up against crimson squad
Man I have been hearting all these comments
Nice work and take a break after all the hearting
you forgot to heart yak 141 freestyle's reply to cookie craze's comment
This man has Jesus's 1% soul👾
must be hard
@@Imbored4 nah it’s not
Oh damn you picked a fine song for that scene.....excellent
This song is the reason why Mav was able to defeat 2 SU-57s with an f-14... Bro should've died less than a minute into a dogfight...
Просто эту песню слышали пилоты СУ-57....
Пилотам СУ-57 другая музыка даёт преимущество
America.
@@volatilecolon Fuck yeah
A real Top Gun grad who knows their plane as well as Maverick does definitely has a chance.
@@t-topgarage7887 If they were to get the jump on the enemy jet, then let's assume they at least have a slim chance of winning. The gap in technological advancements is too big for just experience and skill to cover. Sure, the F-14 was advanced for its time, but advanced enough to have a dogfight and win said dogfight against a 5th gen? That's what's called a delusion.
"The terrain will confuse his targeting systems" -famous last words
the only bad thing about this movie is that it ends
Top Gun: Maverick is like arcade mode in War Thunder. It may not be fully realistic, but it’s hella fun.
This manuever0:38 is called loaded barrel btw
Did you just make that up?
@@2shae475 it is real manuever 😆😆
DO A BARREL ROLL!
And also this loaded roll 0:54
@@migznoob no its a cobra with yaw
No aircraft can fly straight through an explosion without anysort of damage, however, I greatly appreciate the thought and effort that went into the movie and the cockpits where outstanding
I don't care if the footage was unrealistic
Best aircraft fighting scene I've ever seen in my life
Fun fact: all almost every time they’re flying other than when they dogfight the flying is real
I think the 'flat into the wind' move pulled by the enemy pilot is hands down the coolest single trick in the entire film
"I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar!"
It's a real maneuver called the Falling Leaf.
Film seems pretty realistic to me... I mean we go from the 80's of flipping off MiG 28's, banging instructors, playing volleyball, buzzing towers, saving the effin day to this one. His jet exploding, losing his job, gaining a new one. Getting thrown outta bars.... Losing new job, gaining it back, exploding jet again, new "old" jet for some nostalgia to almost exploding again. Went from thrive to survive.
Probably my favorite scene in the whole movie I just love how two 5th generation fighters with advanced technology get destroyed by a 1970s era tomcat
least biased and unrealistic american movie
@@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960 lol
The su-57 may be horrible, but at least it's highly maneuverable, but I guess that's too much realism and physics to ask from top gun maverick
How is it horrible? Welitteraly dont know anything about it
@@user-kc6qr5eo1k It has the same RCS as the F-18, it's not even stealthy which is the entire point of fifth gen fighters. The super manoeuvrability their plane stands on is a meme, it won't be used in 99.9% of engagements and most other fifth gen fighters can do the same stunts anyway.
@@rs-tc8qp not most. Try to do a cobra on a F22. You'll fail miserably
@@freevbucks8019 lol what? A cobra maneuver can be made by a fucking MIG-29, a plane which first flew in 1977 lmao. Maverick literally does a cobra in an F-18 against Rooster in the same movie this clip was taken from. You are thinking of a completely different maneuver, of which there are clips on TH-cam of the F-22 performing with ease. We've no indication that there is anything that the SU-57 can do, that the F-22 can't do better.
@@rs-tc8qp The F-22 literally can't do a proper cobra
Dude, the dogfights may be unrealistic, but the fight is actually really well made.
fast-paced, think fast moments for a bunch, the list goes on and on and on.
I MOSTLY like how the enemy fighter is actually even level of Maverick and Rooster like the same level, but slightly lower.
The movie wasn't bad at all, but is nothing compared to the first one.
i love how the su pilot has no problem doing some crazy manoeuvre but when the f14 flies out of the valley he just stays there and lets them get behind him
Fun fact: Guitar solo lasts as long as movie itself...
"Commander, I will fight with that F-14, only if you give me a favor"
"What do you need?"
"A free bird riff sir"
I hate AIM-54s so much it's unreal
War thunder?
@@karolbonner6937 Yeah
skill issue.
@Maus cope, it ain't hard to hit a notch
The AIM 54 is actually an excellent missile, the U.S Retired it early because they didn't use it much, and didn't use it well, but Iranian Pilots have used it to great success
Would have been infinitely better if you had the guitar solo start as soon as the cannon started firing.
Agreed!
Freebird was released in 1973. It could have been the soundtrack for this dogfight. Well done Sir.
0:52 just gave me goosebump bro
people complaining about the "realism" of this scene when it's some of the greatest cinema I've ever seen on the big screen
I hope the pilot who survived that battle will be revealed in Top Gun 3
It's even more funny when you realize Tom Cruise is in the backseat with the weapon systems instead of the flight stick
What?
@@ranimdudeThe shots of them in the cockpits are real, but they’re in the back because actual military pilots are piloting aircraft. They just cut it to make it look like Tom Cruise or Rooster are the ones flying. As they wanted real life film instead of cgi.
It’s part of the reason they’re using F-18s for the movie and this stealth mission instead of F-35s. As the 35 is only a single seater while the 18 is a dual seater.
@@infinite683 oh that makes sense now I guess
Also the actors were controlling the cameras on top of being the actors in the back/"front" seats. It was pretty crazy how far they went to try and make this look real
@@infinite683 And, while I know this is a month old, and it's kinda obvious, but Single seater variants of the F-18 exist now, which while they used double seaters for the shots in the cockpits, plot wise and outside the cockpits, they are using single seaters.
Again, it's just to help sell a lie, but it's amazing how far they go with nice camera angles, edits, and combining both footage of double seaters and single seaters (real or CGI'd up) to make us believe the actors are flying the planes, even when they're not.
I even love the knowledge that they used a real F-14 from a museum for the ground and final carrier scenes, but CGI'd up an F-18 to look like the Tomcat for when they were "in the air" and "in the cockpit". Again, amazing what they did to help sell a lie all for us to believe and enjoy the movie, realistic or not.
The fact that the Free Bird solo sounds like the Ace Combat 2 soundtrack is just a happy coincidence
Nobody: a normal mision in War Thunder.
I gotta wonder. How did they even film the F-14 sections?
I know a lot of it is CGI
@@mono9702 in the og top gun the usaf and army allowed them to use fighters without using them to engage other fighters, the missiles and bullets i'm pretty sure are cgi, but the planes are not
From what i heard, it's an f-18 that they turned into an f-14 via cgi
well the bullets and missiles are cgi but the planes aren’t and the US military have replicas of the F-14 as an artifact and it’s possible that they asked the military to use one of them and get it working before the filming since it was part of the script and all of this might be a theory we arent all sure yet
@@redacted229 Yes, of course, the weaponry would be cgi but the actually jets themselves would be a partial mix. Like how the studio most definitely would not have an actual Sughoi 57
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Playing freebird on any action scenes adds 110% of hype into it
You aint fucking lie! This shit goes hard! Thank you!
Now just imagine Erich Hartmann in a modern-day jet...
Aye that would be nice. Think hartmann should get his own movie. Especialy now that russia is hated by 60% of the worlds population, since hartmann scored most of his kills over the soviet union.
@@leander2843 would be awesome.........
I want to see hans joachim marsellie in a jet
@@ThatWelshGuy. Yellow 13, Ace Combat
@@leander2843 I'm with you on this one. I'm surprised that they have a movie about Castle Itter but not one about Hartmann
Anyone who plays bf4, get in an AJ little bird, play this song, and you’ll get a minimum of 60 kills with that helicopter, straight up dodging rockets and diving under bridges kinda gameplay.
I listened to this while playing WT, the map had a capture point under a bridge, i got the stuka with 3, 500kg bombs, flied under it, throw 2 of them then went away, 4x kill
All I can imagine is the bears and other creatures of the forest hearing all this and thinking “dafuk they doing up there?”
"do some crazy pilot sh*t mav!"
Seems like everyone is an expert on how fighter jets work
Don't need to be an expert in military avionics to tell you jets don't work like fuckin' that.
@@kalamari3288 yeah, the moment I saw the jet at the start making a sharp turn(relative to how much it really would’ve been theoretically able to) at Mach 10, my expectations for realism were shattered😅
@@Dovahkiin106Mach 10?
@@themolasser9110 that’s the speed the Dark Star(I believe it was called), was going.
For reference, the SR-71 blackbird, which has a maximum speed of Mach 3.3, take about 4 minutes to make a full 180° turn at Mach 3.2 and an altitude of 80,000 feet. I would share my source for that, but TH-cam doesn’t allow links. Can’t say for certain if it’s trustworthy or not.
@@Dovahkiin106 my bad, I thought you were talking about this scene
Rare video footage of our parent's going to school
Even though this movies super unrealistic, I still love it.
Free bird just adds to the bad assery of the scene even more
It's like War Thunder up tiering. Except War Thunder puts your WW2 era fighter against a Galactic Republic X-Wing
0:54 the part of the song fits perfectly with this scene
According to this movie, a Su-57's targeting system (it appears they both use IR missiles so radar isn't a factor) is unable to break out a plane from the ground while the 40 year old Tomcat's can.
Imagine being a fighter pilot and being scrambled to intercept a bogey fighter, and as you fly alsonside the bogey, you inform the bogey pilot that he is entering restricted airspace, but then you hear that he is playing free bird, and your like "oh shi-*gets shot*.
This Ace Combat movie was pretty damn good.
Only thing missing was the tunnel run.
But the final sequence was similar to Ace Combat Zero's last 2 missions so I forgive that.
Idea: put free bird and the ship drifting scene from battleship together.
Kid: "Dad, I can't beat this level."
Dad: "Let me give it a try son."
The first kill is believable, as long as the pilot wasn't expecting any attack... which is unlikely since their base was just attacked.
Yes but they were using a plane suposed to be friendly.
People saying that the other plane’s targeting system being confused by the ground is unrealistic, but tbh a Russian plane having avionics that are old/as (un)sophisticated as the F-14’s is probably the most credible part of the whole sequence
"But sir the freebird was playing thats why i did the manuever"
saying "Free bird fits perfectly with [insert cool chase scene here]" is like saying the Earth is round. and I love it.
Кукуруз еще забыл Сухому с вертухи прописать! 🤣
This should have been the song in this scene
Showed this to my great grandpa, he said "Technology really is gotten advanced"
That last dogfight was so good _because they fought back._ So freaking good.
imagine if they actually used that in the movie.
0:50 just imagine seeing that in the sky
What me and the boys listen to while playing War Thunder:
Even though unrealistic, I admit that I loved this dog fight. Portrayal of two highly skilled pilots, and the move that pilot did to dodge Maverick's missile was absolutely beautiful.
Even the mig 23 had mti clearing radar to tell the difference between terrain and aircraft 💀
People in this comment section really just embody the 🤓 emoji, like holy shit you people make Sheldon Cooper sound like a fun guy to hang out with
Edit: spelling
You clearly haven't met people who enjoy learning about military equipment.
@@Tkmined fun fact i never met anybody who loves to learning about military equipment
@@mymicrowaveisonfire25 there's lots of people who do! They can be all over the place. Military Museums with volunteers have lots of people like that if you every wanna ask them.
@@Tkmined yeah i could talk to one at some point learning about others intrests can be something intresting
@@Tkmined Clearly I haven't lol, it just bothers me how people will get mad over a Hollywood action movie with Tom motherfreakin' Cruise in it not being realistic
Bro the enemy took the "maneuver" to a new whole level
1:41 hit hard
Ой вей, опять Кукуруз всех победил, какая неожиданность! 🤣🤣🤣
Не подскажите, это какой по счëту Call of Duty?
I know this movie was a bit unrealistic but atleast the actual dogfight (excluding the typical missiles being dummies part) was actually somewhat realistic.
wow that fit so well.
who else just loves how a 5th gen fighter has issues with trees and targeting while a 4th gen F14 doesn't? at 1;15 and 2:02
f14 is firing a heat seeker whereas the su57 is firing a radar guided maybe? idk
It's not the plane, it's the rocket
Tbh the fight isnt even that unrealistic.
The most unrealistic thing is both not passing out when maverick tiled the aircraft forward after the cobra. That looked like solid -4 or -5 G over 4 or 5 Second. Them not passing out is unrealistic. To be clear -G forces are way worse then normal G forces. It presses blood into the brain easiely ripping blood vessels.
Imagine minding your own businesses as a hiker then seeing an F-14 and a SU-57 dogfighting with freebird playing from the engines