I never understand why movies don’t use proper Gatling gun sounds. Movies always go for an electronic whirring sound, but when you hear one IRL it sounds so much cooler
Funny thing is explosions are rather similar: the high fireball/gas explosion people see in movies is actually LESS impressive than the much smaller explosion but huge shockwave of force in reality, which our instincts tell us is lethally dangerous, not to mention aweinspiring. I think the usual explanation for these unrealistic things that become common while not even being more impressive is that people build up an expectation of how things are supposed to look from cinema. So it becomes a self-perpetuating myth where people who have never seen it IRL expect it to look like it does in movies, and any movie not doing that is going to have most people think it looks fake.
It’s generally because the filmmakers don’t want anyone to get confused. The general public doesn’t know what a Gatling cannon sounds like, but they’d recognize a more stereotypical sound.
Electronic whirring sound is bad but still better than when they used to just use WWII .50 cal machine gun sound effects for gatling guns in movies a few decades ago.
You know what it really sounds like it sounds like “EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee”
@@Ivantheterrible495 Well if you, like everyone who voted on the Oscar’s didn’t know what this was supposed to sound like you wouldn’t know any different. Cinema doesn’t have to be realistic , and top gun did sound absolutely fabulous in theatres but the gunfights in particular sound cheap in comparison to this edit.
This TH-camr sound design is pretty amateurish. It just uses more realistic gun sounds. The timing is way off. The people who worked on the movie had way more professional sound editing than this homemade one. They just made an artistic choice to use different gun sounds. That doesn't mean their sound editing timing is not 10x better than this amateur one. Sound editing is not just about authenticity. A large part of sound design is also about the technical execution. You can use the most realistic sound possible but it'll still sound like garbage if you don't time it and mix it correctly. That's not a skill any home movie maker can obtain. Experience matters here.
Every sound authentic, from the sidewinder tone, to being on their radar, to being fired upon, to stalling. They should've hired you to do the sound. Great work.
@@lindennis4522 I think that's the actual movie's sound guy. That's why he's so salty. "PARAMOUNT WOULDN'T HIRE SOME TALENTLESS SHMUCK FROM TH-cam! THEY WOULD HIRE MEGA-TALENTED TRAINED PROFESSIONAL WITH YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND GIANT COCK"
Probably a studio suit saying, "That doesn't sound like a gun. The audience won't recognize it as a gun. It'll be confusing. Make it sound like a real gun." They're dumbasses. That's probably what it was.
The studio could've added these effects but they chose not to as they didn't want to risk confusing the audience. The scene is supposed to be about Mav and Rooster working together and being in sync so the focus is on them. Having sounds like a demonic vacuum cleaner, loud alarms, a growling cat, and a lady yelling russian at the bad guy pilot would confuse and distract the audience.
Now this brought a new level of realism to the scene. Especially the "growling" sidewinder lock - it really emphasized an ancient tomcat vs the sleekest of the sleek Su-57. Nice job.
As far as I know for top gun Maverick they did not have access to f-14s, because the only f14 is left in the world were not capable of flying. Although that is no excuse for the the sound that they had in the movie as there are other ways to get the correct sound
This is how the scene *should* have sounded. As an aviation Nerd, the real sfx made the scene so much better, not just the cannon sounds, but the Sidewinder tone, and various alarms as well. Thank you for making this!
I agree with the gun sounds and Sidewinder tone, but I think the movie makers made the right choice to not include any warning sounds because it distracts from the action and dialogue. They even provided a plausible explanation for why there are no warning sounds with that popped circuit breaker. Once Rooster resets it later we start hearing the RWR.
I agree with the gun sounds, but the lack of a Sidewinder growl in the actual movie may very well be a continuity thing, since there was no Sidewinder growl in the first movie either.
Random fun fact: when the F-14 fired it’s first missile, the shot and frame is merely identical to how the original film shot all the missiles firing scenes.
The RWR special threat indicator and the missile launch alert on that second missile mixed with the constant radar lock warning *really* fucked with my DCS stress lmao good stuff man
For the RWR sounds, I think it actually made sense for them to not make any sounds initially as the CB was pulled out, and then wasn't pushed in until they fought the third guy, and that's when you correctly hear the RWR tone at that time
Actually no, even at closer ranges the radar on the offensive jet will lock the defender to get a gun solution. So even if they only fire heatseekers, they will nontheless lock you up. In modern air superiority fighters it's as easy as pressing one button to automatically establish a dogfight radar mode in which it'll only scan a small portion ahead, since the target it most likely 1< nautical mile distant
@@default2907Yeah I brought this exact point up in another comment reply and someone was arguing with me that the heater launch would still trigger a missile launched tone, lol. Like no, it won't because they're passive.
Every sound that has been added is spot on except rwr warnings. While dogfighting two Felons, radio/radar was off. Later when above the sea Rooster turns on radio/radar and radar lock warning sound comes up. If you listen closely to the original sound you can even hear missile launch warning sound in the movie.
Having the correct sounds elevates the immersion so much. Those missile lock alarms, the warble of death, adds so much tension. And then the guns opening up, just that gutteral, unnatural growl. THIS made me feel like I was in the fucking plane. Absolutely phenomenal work.
God, now _that's_ the stuff. You know what had more accurate gun sounds than Top Gun? _The Final Countdown,_ a schlocky time travel film from the early 80s, because they used actual footage and audio of the F-14 firing its gun.
I appreciate that, on top of fixing the gun sounds, you added other sounds like the missile warnings, various beeps and boops, and the classic AIM-9 growl
@@lukeslanding2230 On the F-14, the one Maverick is flying is the initial A-model that used the TF-30 engines originally used for the F-111 Aardvark. They had a notorious reputation when mated with the F-14 to compressor stall if you were too aggressive on throttle inputs, which led to multiple losses due to engine failure. Later B and D model Tomcats would replace the TF-30 with General Electric's F-110, but the majority of the F-14 fleet by its retirement in 2006 were still A-models with those initial TF-30 engines.
From my VERY limited experience flying in an F-18D. It’s surprisingly quiet and smooth inside. Especially the faster you go. The only way I knew we came out of AB was the force it exerts on the A/C. There was no audible sound difference. That may have just been because we were supersonic when we came out of AB though. The whole time I was up, at least as far as noises and feeling go, it wasn’t anything like I thought it would be. I have turned A/C hundreds of times in my naval career. From the perspective of the pilot in the cockpit, they are significantly louder on the ground than when they are airborne.
One of the things I love about this scene is we are getting to see things Maverick likely learned during his time at Top Gun in the F-14. It’s almost like he, his instructors (Viper and Jester), and fellow F-14 pilots are all shining in this scene. Everything they taught him helped him survive and showcase how elite training will give you a chance.
What I loved about that moment is that we're shown some insane stuff from the Black pilot as well. To the point that even Maverick is absolutely impressed at 00:48. It's not just a "evil guy in an evil plane" setup, they were matched in skill almost equally, one had more resolve and a tad more luck with the rounds, basically.
@@fourtwentyshorts Doesn't really matter to bring home the point that this is an enemy to be reckoned with. He goes into a flat spin, willingly, because he knows he can recover from it. Going into a flat spin basically means you HAVE to eject. While it's possible to get out of it again, this is no situation any pilot would go into willingly under any circumstances, while our enemy pilot here shows that he can, and will, employ this maneuver.
Unfortunately for him, in actual combat that maneuver, presenting his largest aspect motionless to the enemy, probably would have immediately gotten him killed. Maverick could've gotten his gun kill right then.
It's defintely a fun addition for people who know the sounds. I don't think any of the RWR stuff was active until Rooster turnedon all the fuses when they went over the ocean (The TID and radio come online too).
honestly I always imagined this particular F-14 was retrofitted with a single-barrel autocannon by the hostile military using it in this film, which excused the original slow firerate for me and logically made sense for the most part.
This is my retort to anyone saying the breaker wasn't inserted for the RWR and FCS. Like I don't fucking care. This is so much better. Take out that useless scene with rooster having trouble with the radar and there's no contradiction and the flight sequence is instantly better.
Great sound design, I would add hard buffeting like a flag flapping in the wind when the fighter pulled that super maneuverable controlled stall . The amount of air hitting the plane at that aoa would definitely be loud. combine it with Doppler shift and a fast fade as the plane bleeds that crap ton of energy should sound quite impressive. Emphasizing build up of the afterburner sound in the silence of him free falling for him to have to recover and catch back up to the tomcat. Just my 2 cents
Everyone’s talking about the m61 sound and aim 9 sound, etc, but I’m also impressed with the improved gsh 301 sound. In the original, the sound for the rate of fire was almost there, but it lacked the deep tone of a true 30mm cannon firing, the sound used in this version packed more of a punch and used a deeper tone, which went along with the weapon’s caliber
Now THAT would have made a BETTER movie... I "miss" the Bark of the M61 "Vulcan" Cannon as I happen just down the road from Hurlburt AFB and would listen to them on the AC-130H "Spectre" Gunships over the ranges at night. 20mm "JAZZ" Music at it's finest.
That's what I miss from the original. The original had a ton of shots from helicopters from a distance so you could actually see the physics behind every roll. I feel this movie had too much cockpit footage to show the effects on the pilots instead of the effects on the aircraft.
@@aidanmonaghan2539 That's fair. I guess they wanted to emphasize more on the actors actually doing the scenes rather than the aircraft flying by which people would label and assume: ItS jUSt cGi.
Loved the compressor stall alarm when Maverick "split the throttles". 🤣I remember sort of giggling to myself in the theater and thinking "Welp, there's a flame out." Also love the addition of all the extra RWR tones you added in. I remember being surprised that they added in ANY of the F-14 RWR sounds at all, there's a couple bits where you can hear them in this scene in the movie. F-14A engines were notorious for compressor stalls when making rapid throttle position changes like that, especially in high alpha regimes. Definitely a very "Top Gun" move, just like "hitting the brakes, he'll fly right by." I can look past it because the movie is loaded with charm, just like the first one.
@@sen_ex so the guy is talking about the split throttle maneuver which is absolutely a real thing however he is 100 percent correct that going one full burner one to idle immediately is gonna cause a compressor stall. Which is where the engine will go kaput at least temporarily and probably cause a flat spin. What the actual maneuver is is you have one engine on full burner the other you bring to mil power aka full power without afterburner to get that extra roll capability
honestly this is amazing and i felt the sounds in the movie were prob the only gripe i had this is brilliant also the RWR and IR seeker tones were a great touch
I did the same thing! I'd never thought of it before seeing this, but the sounds are way off. This edit made it way more engaging. For once the YT algorithm has sent me a video that truly enriches my life!
Huh. The second you hear a real sidewinder you can never un-hear it. They're basically alive, the way they sound. They don't just jump to a tone like that. They warble exactly what they're thinking and feeling.
Sidewinders always remind me of a grumpy teenager refusing to get out of bed until you manage to motivate them with a target lock and then they get hype
The three Sidewinder tone stages: 1 - seeking (slower, lower pitch “growl”) 2 - target spotted (faster, slightly higher pitch “growl”) 3 - LET ME AT ‘EM (single high pitch tone)
Me too!! I loved the engagements in the movie but I remember how I felt when Maverick made the first gun kill on the SU-57 and I thought I heard a 50 caliber machine gun instead of an M61 20 mm rotary autocannon
Same. My biggest contention with this and all movies who make Gatling guns sound like 50 cal chain guns was fixed. I wish I could incorporate this into my copy of the movie.
Maverick would know all about that, given his prior experience with this aircraft and what happened to the father of the guy in his back seat in this engagement.
@@Orca19904 like little details like that it shows how mav grew as a pilot after the incident. As viper said a good pilot should evaluate what’s happening so he can apply what he’s learned
Fury might not have been the most historically convergent movie, but damn it had this high of a level for its sound design. I really set my expectations way too high for Maverick...
Nicholas Moran (The Chieftain) Did say it did at least get the feeling of being a member of a U.S. Tank crewman during the war. And I thought they would’ve used a real M-61 Vulcan sound effect instead of making the F-14s main gun sound like an Uzi.
I personally think the most important thing when making a movie about any true historical war should be done accurately. Sound design can be great but making war look like Hollywood sucks.
You did a phenomenal job with the sound effects and using the proper ones, even changing how the cannon sounded if the shot in the movie was inside of the cockpit or outside. This significantly improved my enjoyment of the movie and I wish it would be re-released with your sound editing.
It's not that they didn't bother. These sounds, while accurate, completely ruin the scene and asthetic. Videos likese these are cool for enthusiasts, but Maverick is a piece of art, not a documentary. Even if they did it as a mistake, it's just the better choice and movie is better off as it is.
Yeah, typically guns go ratatatatatatata, because most people are hearing something like an M60. Very few films show Gatling guns or high cyclic rate autocannons with their real sound effects, because people would be confused by the sheer rate of fire merging all sounds into a ripping effect.
@Syntex366 Yeah but at this point this is just a director's dillema. Cars physically can't blow up even if you shoot directly at them, but if you don't have a car explode even just a little after being light up, audience are gonna think you're wrong. So all cars in cinema explode and at this point no one can really do anything about it.
@@qactus4031 How does the deep powerful growl of the classic tomcat cannons ruin the scene? Or the blaring missile alerts that add tension? We've already seen Cruise go through the effort of having authentic piloting where G-force is a part of the plot and stakes. Plus, an audience that does care about aviation would love it, and an audience that doesn't care will still hear something powerful and bassy, and likely understand what air combat sounds like. (I know I personally got into air combat through arcade games like Ace Combat 6, which had an exaggerated conflict with unrealistic physics, but had realistic sound design with their weapons and how long distance explosions took a moment to reach you. And now instead of being caught off guard by things like how an A10 gun sounds in videos or long distance explosions I can appreciate how certain media, in a way teaches about this interesting form of action.
Wait, you’re telling me an F14 wouldn’t actually be able to fight a 5th-gen fighter? No way, next you’re gonna tell me this was just a movie and not a documentary…
Yeah that really bugged me. What Maverick should've said is "We gotta get low! The terrain will *_block_* his missiles!" And then show the Felon firing its fox-2 only to hit the side of a cliff or a mountain. So it switches to its guns like normal.
@@tsmitty777 it looks like a really low cloud that the Felon flew through. Even Mav and Rooster flew through it a few seconds before. But it would've been much cooler *and more plausible and believable* if it was an explosion from a missile that Mav blocked using terrain maneuvering.
@@sparrowlt an MG-42 sounds nothing like that. Watch a video of an MG-42 being fired. They nicknamed it “Hitler’s buzz saw” for a reason As for the AK, the sound effect they used in the movie sounds much more meaty than that. My guess is they used the sound of a Browning M2
@@nickfury1279 yeah , said MG42 cause in my mind i had somehow that sound asociated with it... cheking sounds it really sounds way more like a browning M2 than the MG42 .. the MG3 is a bit closer too
I'm not even particularly knowledgeable about military aviation but I'm pretty sure that this kind of close range engagement with modern fighters is pretty implausible. But those sounds do make this feel a bit more grounded in reality though.
Lol if you really wanna know, the F-14 would have been shot down immediately. Modern fighters can accelerate and *decelerate* much faster than the old tomcat, while maintaining better maneuverability. There would have been 0 chances for him to shake that fighter off his tail lol
Excellent work on this video the sound effects for this dogfight we're pretty much my only complaint with the movie and you pretty much fix my complaints. I'm sure there's some real Aviation enthusiasts in the comments section who can take out even smaller details than I noticed as a casual fan of fighter jets but I really liked what you did here
@@lucasgomez3283 compared to all the other crappy movies that have been shoved down our proverbial throats these last few years, that didn't find much wrong with this movie I'm sure if I really sat down and nitpick that I could find a lot more wrong with it but I was entertained I wasn't preached at and I wasn't bored or any thing like that so yeah I'll walk away with minimal complaints
Outstanding! The gatling gun sounds way more menacing and believable. Also, even though the F14 shouldn't detect the missiles, the panic and chaos inside the cabin build even further the tension of the scene. Nice job!
Whoa THIS made a huge difference. The cockpit sounds are totally needed in the original. The gun sounds have so much more depth now, you can hear the power.
It's amazing how much more intense this scene feels with this edit (not to take away from the original, but I'm noticeably more engaged compared to what I remember this scene feeling like).
So my only criticism would be that at this time, the radar in the Tomcat wasn’t turned on; Rooster hadn’t yet found the correct breaker, and so Mav and Rooster wouldn’t be hearing the audibles. Other than that, absolutely amazing job.
Isn't the RWR a separate system? Same with the sidewinders, you'd hear the growl from the seeker head and see the symbology on the HUD, but it doesn't use the AWG-9.
@@jacklegg21 admittedly, I wouldn’t know. I am not a subject matter expert, I just understood from the scene that most of the avionics were not working at that time. As someone else explained in a different comment under this video, that is why Maverick told Rooster to let him know when he saw “smoke in the air”, as that implied that the audible warning was not operative
@@Tavers2 IR missiles don't give a radar warning. Only active radar missiles or semi-active radar missiles that have gone active will give a warning tone. With IR missiles you either need an advanced launch detection system that the tomcat doesnt have or you have to watch for missile trails and deploy countermeasures at the appropriate time.
The RWR is definitely a separate system. We wouldn't hear the missile launch warning (high frequency beeping) but we would definitely hear the radar lock warning (slower beeping) as well as the compressor stall warning. The AIM-9 missile tone comes from the missile itself, so as long as Mav (not Rooster) remembered to turn on the seeker coolant at any point in the flight, it'd be ready to go. There are no audibles associated with the AWG-9 radar itself.
Yes yes yes! From the growl of the heater to the roar of the vulcan, just so much better. RWR, etc. Just so much better. Not sure if you messed with external sounds at all, but thank you for this cut.
I never understand why movies don’t use proper Gatling gun sounds. Movies always go for an electronic whirring sound, but when you hear one IRL it sounds so much cooler
Funny thing is explosions are rather similar: the high fireball/gas explosion people see in movies is actually LESS impressive than the much smaller explosion but huge shockwave of force in reality, which our instincts tell us is lethally dangerous, not to mention aweinspiring. I think the usual explanation for these unrealistic things that become common while not even being more impressive is that people build up an expectation of how things are supposed to look from cinema. So it becomes a self-perpetuating myth where people who have never seen it IRL expect it to look like it does in movies, and any movie not doing that is going to have most people think it looks fake.
It’s generally because the filmmakers don’t want anyone to get confused. The general public doesn’t know what a Gatling cannon sounds like, but they’d recognize a more stereotypical sound.
Electronic whirring sound is bad but still better than when they used to just use WWII .50 cal machine gun sound effects for gatling guns in movies a few decades ago.
You know what it really sounds like it sounds like “EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee”
nothing beat's the sound of a ripping fart 🤣
It’s worth noting that the F-14‘s sensors were not on during the first dogfight, so the radar warning would not have sounded.
I agree
mav on back seat tho
@@DustinKinjerski the radar warning receiver doesnt operate from the awg-9
@@Tx.M.64 Aviation enthusiasts
The missle that was fired was an infrared. No radar involved. Wouldn't have tripped the rwr anyways.
You gun nerds, Audio nerds, plane nerds , editing nerds , please never change , its a blessing to hear and see your work!
❤😂
Congrats, you edited a film better than the people who just won an Oscar for their sound design lmao
They won an Oscar for this?
@@Ivantheterrible495 Well if you, like everyone who voted on the Oscar’s didn’t know what this was supposed to sound like you wouldn’t know any different. Cinema doesn’t have to be realistic , and top gun did sound absolutely fabulous in theatres but the gunfights in particular sound cheap in comparison to this edit.
@@Foxtrot6624 agree. Even Battlefied 2042 players know the sound
This TH-camr sound design is pretty amateurish. It just uses more realistic gun sounds. The timing is way off. The people who worked on the movie had way more professional sound editing than this homemade one. They just made an artistic choice to use different gun sounds. That doesn't mean their sound editing timing is not 10x better than this amateur one.
Sound editing is not just about authenticity. A large part of sound design is also about the technical execution. You can use the most realistic sound possible but it'll still sound like garbage if you don't time it and mix it correctly. That's not a skill any home movie maker can obtain. Experience matters here.
Retard
Every sound authentic, from the sidewinder tone, to being on their radar, to being fired upon, to stalling. They should've hired you to do the sound. Great work.
Of course, Paramount would hire a random guy on YT just because he added sounds to a video which even a 5-year old kid could do
@@TheRebelTitan55 I'd love to see you do it then, surely you can do it?
@@lindennis4522 Yes, I could too
@@TheRebelTitan55 is not about who can do, but who'll think to do it
@@lindennis4522 I think that's the actual movie's sound guy. That's why he's so salty. "PARAMOUNT WOULDN'T HIRE SOME TALENTLESS SHMUCK FROM TH-cam! THEY WOULD HIRE MEGA-TALENTED TRAINED PROFESSIONAL WITH YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND GIANT COCK"
How a guy can make this scene sound literally 100x better than the studio could amazes me.
pretty sure with the 50 cals they were trying to be nostalgic to the original as is the theme throughout the entire movie
Probably a studio suit saying, "That doesn't sound like a gun. The audience won't recognize it as a gun. It'll be confusing. Make it sound like a real gun." They're dumbasses. That's probably what it was.
@@quartz7083 the MIG-28 "pew pew pew" sound effects?
The studio could've added these effects but they chose not to as they didn't want to risk confusing the audience. The scene is supposed to be about Mav and Rooster working together and being in sync so the focus is on them. Having sounds like a demonic vacuum cleaner, loud alarms, a growling cat, and a lady yelling russian at the bad guy pilot would confuse and distract the audience.
Because it's a movie and not a weapons documentary
Now this brought a new level of realism to the scene. Especially the "growling" sidewinder lock - it really emphasized an ancient tomcat vs the sleekest of the sleek Su-57. Nice job.
Except the Su-57 has the RCS of a clean F/A-18 😅
su-57 is garbage lol. russia makes trash planes
@@czechmix221 At least this country can make them
@@haley746eh who cares. Russia doesn't really care about stealth anyway. They're still stuck in the cold war. Absolutely obsessed with speed
Why are people so obsessed with realism in a fun action film lol people just looking to complain I guess
I love how the Su-57 sounds like it has a normal autocannon rather than a gatling gun.
Thats because it does have an autocannon and not a gatling gun.
@@OUSOONERSFTWtrueee
@@OUSOONERSFTW Hey, I was just praising quartz708's attention to detail.
@@OUSOONERSFTWLeast passive-aggressive mall ninja:
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I never understood why they don't just use real sounds from the actual equipment. They already sound incredible
As far as I know for top gun Maverick they did not have access to f-14s, because the only f14 is left in the world were not capable of flying. Although that is no excuse for the the sound that they had in the movie as there are other ways to get the correct sound
@@the_undead It's easy to simulate projectiles and explosions now, because the physics involved are easily computed.
Iran still has f14's capable for combat..@@the_undead
@@irou95 is that it? Because if that is it, my statement effectively holds true as far as Hollywood getting access to them is concerned
@@Tattlebotfr they could just use dcs or war thunder sounds lol
Wow, I did not expect the proper sounds for each angle! This is seriously awesome work
painstakingly detailed! It's much appreciated.
Ye that was the one detail I loved the most
Proper sound design is easy to miss if you don't know what to listen for... kinda by design. It just feels proper.
This is how the scene *should* have sounded. As an aviation Nerd, the real sfx made the scene so much better, not just the cannon sounds, but the Sidewinder tone, and various alarms as well. Thank you for making this!
Exactly... the sound of that f14 Vulcan and the actual f14 tones sent shivers 🔥👌🏽 buddy even edited in the dopler effect
@@lewiemotorsports3616 100%
Well said. I felt the stall warning tone on the split throttles move was a nice addition. Very accurate.
I agree with the gun sounds and Sidewinder tone, but I think the movie makers made the right choice to not include any warning sounds because it distracts from the action and dialogue. They even provided a plausible explanation for why there are no warning sounds with that popped circuit breaker. Once Rooster resets it later we start hearing the RWR.
I agree with the gun sounds, but the lack of a Sidewinder growl in the actual movie may very well be a continuity thing, since there was no Sidewinder growl in the first movie either.
Random fun fact: when the F-14 fired it’s first missile, the shot and frame is merely identical to how the original film shot all the missiles firing scenes.
You mean nearly identical. Merely means only.
That's because it was the same shot
They were all filmed in the 80’s.
Thank you, as somebody who has employed the M61, you have no idea how much those gun sounds bugged me with every watch through.
Is it the same sound as the Warthog gatling gun?
@@ichheieferit not exactly, M61A2 had a higher rate of fire than the GAU-8
Along with the pitiful rof it had in the movie, it looked like the 20mms we were using in ww2 instead
as someone who has never and will most likely never employ the M61, it still fuckin bugged the hell out of me.
TBF that F-14's been Iranian for years. Maybe they just couldn't afford the vulcan anymore
The RWR special threat indicator and the missile launch alert on that second missile mixed with the constant radar lock warning *really* fucked with my DCS stress lmao good stuff man
The stall warning got me.
same lmao
Those damn S-300's in DCS give me nightmares.
@@terpdx I see “BB” and I dip as fast as I can. My Rio and I don’t even need to communicate what I should do when we hear it pop up on rwr
i think thats probably why they didn't use the real sounds. they didn't want any former pilots watching get ptsd xdd
For the RWR sounds, I think it actually made sense for them to not make any sounds initially as the CB was pulled out, and then wasn't pushed in until they fought the third guy, and that's when you correctly hear the RWR tone at that time
And in close range they wouldn’t be using radar guided missiles so the rwd wouldn’t even know they were being locked but still a great edit
@@default2907 Yes
Actually no, even at closer ranges the radar on the offensive jet will lock the defender to get a gun solution.
So even if they only fire heatseekers, they will nontheless lock you up. In modern air superiority fighters it's as easy as pressing one button to automatically establish a dogfight radar mode in which it'll only scan a small portion ahead, since the target it most likely 1< nautical mile distant
Yep he just wouldn't have gotten the launch alert from the RWR
@@default2907Yeah I brought this exact point up in another comment reply and someone was arguing with me that the heater launch would still trigger a missile launched tone, lol. Like no, it won't because they're passive.
Every sound that has been added is spot on except rwr warnings. While dogfighting two Felons, radio/radar was off. Later when above the sea Rooster turns on radio/radar and radar lock warning sound comes up. If you listen closely to the original sound you can even hear missile launch warning sound in the movie.
Having the correct sounds elevates the immersion so much. Those missile lock alarms, the warble of death, adds so much tension. And then the guns opening up, just that gutteral, unnatural growl. THIS made me feel like I was in the fucking plane. Absolutely phenomenal work.
What is ‘the warble of death’?
I suppose it is the sidewinder's growl?
It’s too congested.
The warble is probably the F-14s missile lock. At 0:48
True, made this feel more like action horror
God, now _that's_ the stuff. You know what had more accurate gun sounds than Top Gun? _The Final Countdown,_ a schlocky time travel film from the early 80s, because they used actual footage and audio of the F-14 firing its gun.
Yep. My god that movie is great. Cemented my love for aviation as a kid.
To be fair in the 80s they had _actual working F14s_ to base it on. This movie just had museum pieces.
@@DiggitySlice Still, gun sounds have always been messed up by Hollywood.
War Thunder
The Kirk Douglas and Martin Sheen classic! That movie was always on late night TV as a kid.
“THE TERRAIN WILL ✨CONFUSE✨ HIS TARGETING SYSTEMS!” 🗣️🗣️🗣️
came to say this XD
Press J to leave the aircraft 🗣🗣
@@duonglethai8701 *attack the d point* 💯🗣🔥
@@_dillybyte_ATTACK THE D POINT!!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
I love how mav's targeting system is totally fine even though it's like 2 generations behind the su57's
I wish they had used these sounds in the movie. Really adds to the immersion.
I appreciate that, on top of fixing the gun sounds, you added other sounds like the missile warnings, various beeps and boops, and the classic AIM-9 growl
Not to mention the sweeps and the creeps!
It's so much better
@@coffeeguyd The what and the what?
@Luey_Luey it's from space balls. Classic great movie
@@Seaside_Seanster How can you have watched the movie? We're in the middle of making it!
This is excellent and am not kidding either. So much more realistic and you timed the sound with visuals perfectly. We loved it.
Bro made the best edit and didn’t think we would notice
you dont get RWR when a fox 2 is fired at you, its even less realistic
@@RYDER-su3kx not a fox 2
Yeah, the guns, the tones, Amazing work you did there
@@RYDER-su3kx Bruh... one bottle of vinegar is coming your way.
The combined Gatling and Fiddycal sounds is fucking brutal, and the actual Sidewinder growl over the Top Gun lock-on sound is orgasmic.
I like how it makes the Tomcat sound much older than the newer fighter. Makes the scene feel much more dangerous.
That "Left engine fire!" alarm in Sukhoi's cockpit was such a nice touch)
Better than a "You have a hole in your left wing!"
The compressor stall warning was a nice touch
*TF-30 will remember that*
*Vomits out compressor blades 10 seconds later*
Comp stall on the SU?
@@lukeslanding2230 On the F-14, the one Maverick is flying is the initial A-model that used the TF-30 engines originally used for the F-111 Aardvark. They had a notorious reputation when mated with the F-14 to compressor stall if you were too aggressive on throttle inputs, which led to multiple losses due to engine failure. Later B and D model Tomcats would replace the TF-30 with General Electric's F-110, but the majority of the F-14 fleet by its retirement in 2006 were still A-models with those initial TF-30 engines.
@@uberschnilthegreat22 Gotchya. Imma rewatch cause I think I was looking for the SU the chunk the throttle forward, wasn’t even thinking about the 14
@@uberschnilthegreat22 the deeper beep tone before the aim 9 growl?
This is what that scene **SHOULD** have sounded like. Oh my god this makes that **SO** much better! Well done!
I literally got goosebumps and my hair stood up. Those actual RWR and M61 sounds are genuinely terrifying. 100/10 will be watching a few more times.
Now it just needs more realistic engine sounds and air rumble in the cockpit.
Rumble in cockpit? You do realise you don’t see rumble, you just feel it
@@nicoisgro9418 you can hear rumbling inside a jet from the air flowing over it like you can inside a car especially when doing those fancy maneuvers
@@nicoisgro9418 he never said we're supposed to see it. He just said we need the rumble.
And realistic dogfight at the end.
From my VERY limited experience flying in an F-18D. It’s surprisingly quiet and smooth inside. Especially the faster you go. The only way I knew we came out of AB was the force it exerts on the A/C. There was no audible sound difference. That may have just been because we were supersonic when we came out of AB though.
The whole time I was up, at least as far as noises and feeling go, it wasn’t anything like I thought it would be. I have turned A/C hundreds of times in my naval career. From the perspective of the pilot in the cockpit, they are significantly louder on the ground than when they are airborne.
I would love a re-release of this film with accurate sound effects like this
ah yes because they gonna release "Top Gun: Gun"
@@KaIIenie george lucas would be all over this.
@@Flatlower george lucas would add badly rendered cgi dinosaurs covering half the frame in random parts of the movie
@@moonasha real
@@KaIIenieI'm here for Top Gun: Gun.
One of the things I love about this scene is we are getting to see things Maverick likely learned during his time at Top Gun in the F-14. It’s almost like he, his instructors (Viper and Jester), and fellow F-14 pilots are all shining in this scene. Everything they taught him helped him survive and showcase how elite training will give you a chance.
0:27 best part including guns
What I loved about that moment is that we're shown some insane stuff from the Black pilot as well. To the point that even Maverick is absolutely impressed at 00:48. It's not just a "evil guy in an evil plane" setup, they were matched in skill almost equally, one had more resolve and a tad more luck with the rounds, basically.
"HOLY SHIT" was my exact responce to that manuever
Not really, if you remember the movie the black pilot was in a very superior aircraft.
@@fourtwentyshorts Doesn't really matter to bring home the point that this is an enemy to be reckoned with. He goes into a flat spin, willingly, because he knows he can recover from it. Going into a flat spin basically means you HAVE to eject. While it's possible to get out of it again, this is no situation any pilot would go into willingly under any circumstances, while our enemy pilot here shows that he can, and will, employ this maneuver.
Unfortunately for him, in actual combat that maneuver, presenting his largest aspect motionless to the enemy, probably would have immediately gotten him killed. Maverick could've gotten his gun kill right then.
@@Sirithil I think the bigger issue here is that you can't dodge missiles, no matter what you do.
You’re the hero we so desperately wanted but do not deserve
This was amazing ❤
It just shows how much more can be done, if only right people get to be in the right places ^^ 🏆
It's defintely a fun addition for people who know the sounds. I don't think any of the RWR stuff was active until Rooster turnedon all the fuses when they went over the ocean (The TID and radio come online too).
honestly I always imagined this particular F-14 was retrofitted with a single-barrel autocannon by the hostile military using it in this film, which excused the original slow firerate for me and logically made sense for the most part.
Hilariously this isn’t even better because it’s more realistic. It’s better because it’s better. Nice work.
This is my retort to anyone saying the breaker wasn't inserted for the RWR and FCS. Like I don't fucking care. This is so much better. Take out that useless scene with rooster having trouble with the radar and there's no contradiction and the flight sequence is instantly better.
Great sound design, I would add hard buffeting like a flag flapping in the wind when the fighter pulled that super maneuverable controlled stall . The amount of air hitting the plane at that aoa would definitely be loud. combine it with Doppler shift and a fast fade as the plane bleeds that crap ton of energy should sound quite impressive. Emphasizing build up of the afterburner sound in the silence of him free falling for him to have to recover and catch back up to the tomcat. Just my 2 cents
th-cam.com/video/VBFThdQVYuI/w-d-xo.html a little science behind the idea
The focus was pewpewsounds
@@EdzCreationz well he also redid all the cockpit tones as well..
Was gonna ask but it clicked, angle of approach
That’s more like $200 than 2 cents lol
Everyone’s talking about the m61 sound and aim 9 sound, etc, but I’m also impressed with the improved gsh 301 sound. In the original, the sound for the rate of fire was almost there, but it lacked the deep tone of a true 30mm cannon firing, the sound used in this version packed more of a punch and used a deeper tone, which went along with the weapon’s caliber
Now THAT would have made a BETTER movie...
I "miss" the Bark of the M61 "Vulcan" Cannon as I happen just down the road from Hurlburt AFB and would listen to them on the AC-130H "Spectre" Gunships over the ranges at night.
20mm "JAZZ" Music at it's finest.
Dang! Not only have you made it more realistic, you made it much more intense as well, in my opinion.
Exactly
The Aim-9 growl I hear much talk about was a great touch.
00:46 - By far the best scene in the movie, watching him pull up and seeing the Tomcat still sink until it powers itself forward is amazing.
Gave me goosebumps every single time I watched the movie (which is now 5 times)
That's what I miss from the original. The original had a ton of shots from helicopters from a distance so you could actually see the physics behind every roll.
I feel this movie had too much cockpit footage to show the effects on the pilots instead of the effects on the aircraft.
@@aidanmonaghan2539 That's fair. I guess they wanted to emphasize more on the actors actually doing the scenes rather than the aircraft flying by which people would label and assume: ItS jUSt cGi.
@@aidanmonaghan2539 This is what it was missing, I couldn't put my finger on it.
Like an eagle swooping 😮
The sounds effects... just incredible!! Definitely makes it feel more immersive to hear that M61 gun firing with different sound angles! Well done!!
Love how realistic the explosions sound. That crackling effect sounds so satisfying.
10,000% better. You even got the passing projectile crackle spot on (even though this wouldn't be audible over the cockpit slipstream noise).
Loved the compressor stall alarm when Maverick "split the throttles". 🤣I remember sort of giggling to myself in the theater and thinking "Welp, there's a flame out." Also love the addition of all the extra RWR tones you added in. I remember being surprised that they added in ANY of the F-14 RWR sounds at all, there's a couple bits where you can hear them in this scene in the movie.
F-14A engines were notorious for compressor stalls when making rapid throttle position changes like that, especially in high alpha regimes. Definitely a very "Top Gun" move, just like "hitting the brakes, he'll fly right by." I can look past it because the movie is loaded with charm, just like the first one.
Well if you go from burner to mil it’s not as bad that is what pilots do irl
Can you explain why what he did was unrealistic? Don't know much about fighter jets.
@@sen_ex so the guy is talking about the split throttle maneuver which is absolutely a real thing however he is 100 percent correct that going one full burner one to idle immediately is gonna cause a compressor stall. Which is where the engine will go kaput at least temporarily and probably cause a flat spin. What the actual maneuver is is you have one engine on full burner the other you bring to mil power aka full power without afterburner to get that extra roll capability
honestly this is amazing and i felt the sounds in the movie were prob the only gripe i had
this is brilliant
also the RWR and IR seeker tones were a great touch
The growl of the SW seeker makes the whole bit before Mav get off the first missile so much more awesome!
Genuinely need to make a petition for them to change the sounds to this. Phenomenal difference, actually ups the tension.
But rooster doesn't fix the radar yet
@@gilangdewabrata is the RWR in the back of a cat?
Lol, I don't know exactly how the warning system works, but this is 👌
@@gilangdewabrata RWR doesn't require the AWG-9 and WCS to be on.
I had to watch this and the original side-by-side and realized how amazing your version is. I wish they whole movie could have an audio remastering.
I did the same thing! I'd never thought of it before seeing this, but the sounds are way off. This edit made it way more engaging. For once the YT algorithm has sent me a video that truly enriches my life!
bruh your gonnah rewatch an entire movie just for the audio
@@Walter_Took_Methamphetamineabsolutely
Huh. The second you hear a real sidewinder you can never un-hear it. They're basically alive, the way they sound. They don't just jump to a tone like that. They warble exactly what they're thinking and feeling.
Sidewinders always remind me of a grumpy teenager refusing to get out of bed until you manage to motivate them with a target lock and then they get hype
@@ben2741 "IM UP! IM UP!
The three Sidewinder tone stages:
1 - seeking (slower, lower pitch “growl”)
2 - target spotted (faster, slightly higher pitch “growl”)
3 - LET ME AT ‘EM (single high pitch tone)
My guy here fixed the entire movie
I cannot begin to describe how goddamn happy this sound rework makes me!
Me too!! I loved the engagements in the movie but I remember how I felt when Maverick made the first gun kill on the SU-57 and I thought I heard a 50 caliber machine gun instead of an M61 20 mm rotary autocannon
Same
@@ArizonaAstraLLC It was pretty clearly a callback to the original Top Gun, the guns also made little pew pew sounds, it’s campy and fun.
Same. My biggest contention with this and all movies who make Gatling guns sound like 50 cal chain guns was fixed. I wish I could incorporate this into my copy of the movie.
Any idea why the movie makers didn't opt for actual sounds?
The compressor stall warning when he splits the throttle is pretty accurate. It is possible but it’s such a risky manoeuvre because of flat spins
Maverick would know all about that, given his prior experience with this aircraft and what happened to the father of the guy in his back seat in this engagement.
@@Orca19904 like little details like that it shows how mav grew as a pilot after the incident. As viper said a good pilot should evaluate what’s happening so he can apply what he’s learned
Holy fucking shit
This is FANTASTIC
ironic this film just got the oscar for sound
I really like how you also added the iconic Sidewinder Growl…
Fury might not have been the most historically convergent movie, but damn it had this high of a level for its sound design. I really set my expectations way too high for Maverick...
Nicholas Moran (The Chieftain) Did say it did at least get the feeling of being a member of a U.S. Tank crewman during the war. And I thought they would’ve used a real M-61 Vulcan sound effect instead of making the F-14s main gun sound like an Uzi.
People overhyped the hell out of it. People were just flocking to it because of nostalgia and it not being a marvel movie
I personally think the most important thing when making a movie about any true historical war should be done accurately. Sound design can be great but making war look like Hollywood sucks.
@@fearofowl5973 bro shut the fuck up. People were flocking to it because its a good fucking movie.
through and through
that tank movie was trash - Fk off with the plot armor
I will never understand why movies don’t go the more realistic approach with stuff like this.
Best thing for me was the cracking sound of the explosions. Didn't notice this in the actual movie, so I assumedo that you added it too. Amazing work!
Can we please can an official director's cut with these sound effects? That would be epic.
You did a phenomenal job with the sound effects and using the proper ones, even changing how the cannon sounded if the shot in the movie was inside of the cockpit or outside. This significantly improved my enjoyment of the movie and I wish it would be re-released with your sound editing.
Dude, this is exactly what I was thinking listening to the sounds in the movie. Thanks for much for make this real!
They should add all that to the director's cut. AWESOME video, thank you!!
good job on making GSh30-1M and Vulcan sound accurate both from the outside and inside with Doppler effect
Blows my mind that with all of the work on this movie they didn't bother with accurate gun sounds
It's not that they didn't bother. These sounds, while accurate, completely ruin the scene and asthetic. Videos likese these are cool for enthusiasts, but Maverick is a piece of art, not a documentary. Even if they did it as a mistake, it's just the better choice and movie is better off as it is.
The guns in the movie are balanced with the overall sound design. The authentic ones are more jarring and regular audiences won't care
Yeah, typically guns go ratatatatatatata, because most people are hearing something like an M60. Very few films show Gatling guns or high cyclic rate autocannons with their real sound effects, because people would be confused by the sheer rate of fire merging all sounds into a ripping effect.
@Syntex366 Yeah but at this point this is just a director's dillema. Cars physically can't blow up even if you shoot directly at them, but if you don't have a car explode even just a little after being light up, audience are gonna think you're wrong. So all cars in cinema explode and at this point no one can really do anything about it.
@@qactus4031 How does the deep powerful growl of the classic tomcat cannons ruin the scene? Or the blaring missile alerts that add tension?
We've already seen Cruise go through the effort of having authentic piloting where G-force is a part of the plot and stakes.
Plus, an audience that does care about aviation would love it, and an audience that doesn't care will still hear something powerful and bassy, and likely understand what air combat sounds like.
(I know I personally got into air combat through arcade games like Ace Combat 6, which had an exaggerated conflict with unrealistic physics, but had realistic sound design with their weapons and how long distance explosions took a moment to reach you.
And now instead of being caught off guard by things like how an A10 gun sounds in videos or long distance explosions I can appreciate how certain media, in a way teaches about this interesting form of action.
It does keep surprising me how they both absolutely destroy any speed they have, yet end up on the tail of the other aircraft with just as much speed.
Love the tone locks and extras you put on
Now we just need a version where terrain doesn’t confuse the targeting system of a 5th gen fighter
Anything can confuse a human.
Wait, you’re telling me an F14 wouldn’t actually be able to fight a 5th-gen fighter? No way, next you’re gonna tell me this was just a movie and not a documentary…
Yeah that really bugged me.
What Maverick should've said is "We gotta get low! The terrain will *_block_* his missiles!"
And then show the Felon firing its fox-2 only to hit the side of a cliff or a mountain. So it switches to its guns like normal.
@@DJWeapon8they even have the scene of the 5th gen flying through the smoke of what could have been a missile hit.
@@tsmitty777 it looks like a really low cloud that the Felon flew through. Even Mav and Rooster flew through it a few seconds before.
But it would've been much cooler *and more plausible and believable* if it was an explosion from a missile that Mav blocked using terrain maneuvering.
It’s sounds really good since the f14 had a m61 but in the movie they made it sound like a auto cannon
not even that... in the movie it sounds like an AK47 or a MG42.. an autocanon sounds much beefier than that and quite closer to the actual BRRRRRRR
@@sparrowlt an MG-42 sounds nothing like that. Watch a video of an MG-42 being fired. They nicknamed it “Hitler’s buzz saw” for a reason
As for the AK, the sound effect they used in the movie sounds much more meaty than that. My guess is they used the sound of a Browning M2
@@nickfury1279 yeah , said MG42 cause in my mind i had somehow that sound asociated with it... cheking sounds it really sounds way more like a browning M2 than the MG42 .. the MG3 is a bit closer too
@@nickfury1279 oh my fucking god go touch grass
@@sparrowlt tbh now that it got brought up replacing the sound with an mg42 wouldnt be that bad, would at least have a similar fire rate then
This is so much better than the unrealistic dogfight.
Dude the RWR warnings made the scene so much more intense. That was awesome
Honestly the funny thing is is that the more realistic gun sounds and The Sidewinder growl sound way meaner and cinematic than the sounds they use.
I'm not even particularly knowledgeable about military aviation but I'm pretty sure that this kind of close range engagement with modern fighters is pretty implausible. But those sounds do make this feel a bit more grounded in reality though.
Lol if you really wanna know, the F-14 would have been shot down immediately. Modern fighters can accelerate and *decelerate* much faster than the old tomcat, while maintaining better maneuverability. There would have been 0 chances for him to shake that fighter off his tail lol
@@domosrage5434 there's always a chance, might've been 0,0000001% but never say never haha
@@domosrage5434 Granted, it might be a poorly maintained Iranian Su-57.
@@zchen27 or a poorly trained Iranian pilot
@@domosrage5434 skill issue :)
Nice edit!! The sounds sound so lethal now - I felt a greater sense of fear for all three pilots
Keeps getting better. Thanks for the edit
Excellent work on this video the sound effects for this dogfight we're pretty much my only complaint with the movie and you pretty much fix my complaints. I'm sure there's some real Aviation enthusiasts in the comments section who can take out even smaller details than I noticed as a casual fan of fighter jets but I really liked what you did here
The sound effects were the only thing that ticked you off fr?
@@lucasgomez3283 compared to all the other crappy movies that have been shoved down our proverbial throats these last few years, that didn't find much wrong with this movie I'm sure if I really sat down and nitpick that I could find a lot more wrong with it but I was entertained I wasn't preached at and I wasn't bored or any thing like that so yeah I'll walk away with minimal complaints
Needed a before and after, I cant remember what it sounded like before.
That comp stall warning at the throttle split is epic! Nice one!
This is great. Really appreciate it
Outstanding! The gatling gun sounds way more menacing and believable. Also, even though the F14 shouldn't detect the missiles, the panic and chaos inside the cabin build even further the tension of the scene. Nice job!
GIve this guy a job as a sound engineer!
I love this so much. Made this scene way cooler!
sound design on the film was already amazing but this is a much welcome addition
aim 9 locking on is the most satisfying sound ever
Whoa THIS made a huge difference. The cockpit sounds are totally needed in the original. The gun sounds have so much more depth now, you can hear the power.
It's amazing how much more intense this scene feels with this edit (not to take away from the original, but I'm noticeably more engaged compared to what I remember this scene feeling like).
This sound design is sooo freaking good! They should have hired you for the movie.👍
I like how you also added the sound affect for the SU-57 too, nice touch. Also funny compressor stall tone with the split throttles
Outstanding work!
From The Tomcat's various alert tones to the M61 Vulcan, you made the dogfight even more intense and *_VIOLENT_*
Well done
Now i need the whole movie with better gun sounds. They sound so much better. Great work.
Wow that is genuinly improved. So much more exciting🙌😁
So my only criticism would be that at this time, the radar in the Tomcat wasn’t turned on; Rooster hadn’t yet found the correct breaker, and so Mav and Rooster wouldn’t be hearing the audibles.
Other than that, absolutely amazing job.
Isn't the RWR a separate system? Same with the sidewinders, you'd hear the growl from the seeker head and see the symbology on the HUD, but it doesn't use the AWG-9.
@@jacklegg21 admittedly, I wouldn’t know. I am not a subject matter expert, I just understood from the scene that most of the avionics were not working at that time.
As someone else explained in a different comment under this video, that is why Maverick told Rooster to let him know when he saw “smoke in the air”, as that implied that the audible warning was not operative
@@Tavers2 IR missiles don't give a radar warning. Only active radar missiles or semi-active radar missiles that have gone active will give a warning tone. With IR missiles you either need an advanced launch detection system that the tomcat doesnt have or you have to watch for missile trails and deploy countermeasures at the appropriate time.
The RWR is definitely a separate system. We wouldn't hear the missile launch warning (high frequency beeping) but we would definitely hear the radar lock warning (slower beeping) as well as the compressor stall warning. The AIM-9 missile tone comes from the missile itself, so as long as Mav (not Rooster) remembered to turn on the seeker coolant at any point in the flight, it'd be ready to go. There are no audibles associated with the AWG-9 radar itself.
@@jacklegg21 Sidewinders are separate, although without radar, you can only lock the sidewinders in boresight mode.
The sidewinder growl! My dad use to talk about that in the early 80's
Good edit. This was awesome.
One thing missing from the canyon scene:
"Terrain. Terrain. Altitude. Altitude. Pull Up."
Yes yes yes! From the growl of the heater to the roar of the vulcan, just so much better. RWR, etc. Just so much better. Not sure if you messed with external sounds at all, but thank you for this cut.
This makes you appreciate the sound in movies even more, its often overlooked but sound can make such a difference. Sick edit man, amazing job!
I didnt think the scene could get any better. Chills down my spine, just... wow ! ! ! !
This one just sounds so much more badass. Thank you for crediting the true noises of the the F-14.