EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW TO START FALL PLANTING IN THE GARDEN
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- With fall planting right around the corner the guys discuss what to plant, when to start transplants, and the ideal in-ground transplanting dates.
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I sure like watching the videos with both of y'all. Old and young knowledge combined. I've learned quite a bit from you folks. God Bless y'all.
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"I love the chart" , "I know you do" 🤣😂😅 I love these listening to these guys 😎
I sent you an awesome soup recipe that uses kohlrabi kale onion and garlic from the garden-hope it makes the cut-it’s a family favorite!!
Thanks for sending that!
Hoss Tools You’re welcome!
Great show and I agree with the Tomato and corn dilemma I will buy corn at grocery store but very rarely will I buy a tomato because they disappoint me every time.
This year in 2020I planted spaghetti squash and pumpkins in a certain area and need to know what should plant in that area next year, I know you talked about rotating crops.
Just don't plant any cucurbit (squash, watermelon, cantaloupe, gourds, cucumber) in that area for a year or two.
I am glad you keep adding tomato varieties to your seed offerings. I like the pelletted seeds also. I try to grow about 20 varieties each year. I will drop better boy, Abe Lincoln, sun gold, Galahad, brandy boy, and white cherry. I will add sun sugar, red snapper, box car willie, black zebra cherry and black krim. It is funny that last year my sons and I loved the Abe Lincoln's production, but this year it was very poor. The better boy was my dads favorite but newer hybrids like Bella Rosa and big beef have better flavor and better production. Why are more seeds not available in pellets?
We try to offer pelleted tomato seeds when we can get them. Some seed suppliers do not offer pelleted seeds.
On hybrid tomaters there was news stories few years ago going around about fish genes in hybrid tomatoes
man..we can grow the figs..i may need to send yall some cuttings. They root quick. couple years they produce. But i have flavors you dont quite expect in figs!
Feel free to send us some this winter when you take cuttings.
Do you sell or swap cuttings? I have a type that produces in the fall. They are starting to put on little green figs now. The fruit can be 1.5 to 2 inches across and taste wonderful. I would a spring producer.
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I've been prepping to do some fall cloning. Figs are high on my wish list. I've got a few local that I have access to but I'm not sure of the variety. Ig: @audiorganics
You might want to look into the variety Mickey Lee for a pollenizer watermelon. They have a light green skin like charleston gray but are an ice box size watermelon. They taste great too, nice crisp texture and sweet. Also disease/virus resistant.
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My backyard is small. If I were to grow some squash vertically on a cattle panel trellis, how far apart should I plant each seed? Its my first year. For now, I am just using grow bags, but my raised beds are now completed and I'm ready to do some experimentin' . Thank you for your videos, I'm learning so much. TH-cam is a magical place.
I would plant them 2 ft. apart.
you need them early girls too, San Marzano too. & AR Traveler as well. huge fan
Great show guys, as always! Getting my plan together for fall as we speak! I'm with Greg on the hybrid mater stigma, I think he's right about that. Ethylene is the gas used to ripen those cardboard maters. "They taste like disappointment" as Jess at Roots and Refuge says! There is still a huge misunderstanding out there about the difference in hybrids and GMOs, and this is way more prevalent than I realized, before talking with so many people in gardening groups. Seems to be very common among newer gardeners, especially "organic" gardeners. "Mad Scientist Syndrome" I call it. Without going into long drawn out explanations, I usually ask them, "how do you think we got hundreds and hundreds of heirloom varieties? They are just very old, stabilized, "hybrids" that someone crossed years ago." Most everyone has heard of the "Mortgage Lifter" heirlooms, and it's a great example. Old "Radiator Charlie" just crossed the German Johnson, Beefsteak, an Italian variety, and an English variety, stabilized his new variety through about 5 or 6 generations, and the rest is history! But it is strange how the hybrid phobia seems to apply, almost exclusively, to tomatoes. Nobody thinks a thing in the world about grafting fruit trees, or the sweet corn varieties you mentioned. I will also say that I think one of Travis' pet peeves goes to perpetuate the feelings about the hybrids, and that's the advertisement and marketing, by the seed companies in particular, about heirloom, non GMO, tomatoes. What's the one thing that dang near every gardener has in their gardens, regardless of experience level, maters! They may not grow corn, squash, peas, beans, okra, or whatever, but they ALL grow tomatoes. So they are affected by the "propoganda". They're in the target group! It's an interesting topic.......
Well said Tom! Lots of misinformation out there. Hopefully we can shed some light slowly but surely.
Howdy men , I also grow alot of figs, I live in Zone 9A and have a fig that I bet you would love too. It is my personal favorite , It is called a Smith Fig. It grows great in the south and it is a berry fig as well. I could send you some cuttings if you are interested. I have several Black Madeiras and I have found that they do ok as long as we don't get alot of rain ( which we always do ) Give me a shout if you would like me to send you some Smith Fig cuttings after I prune my trees later this year.
Sure. Send us some cuttings this winter once the plants die back.
oh man...i am so ready for fall planting...And new onions? heck ya...when the update for the nest onions?
We had an update on those earlier this year. They did well for us. But still probably going to take another year before we have enough to sell.
Thank you! This has to be about the most informative helpful video you've done.
I've been gardening 25 years here in Riverside County, Calif, zone 9; but I think I should be planting a lot like you are. Why? Length of day effects harvest dates. When I try to follow seed packets, I end up with an early Spring harvest, even though I'm targeting Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners. Example, last year I planted carrot seed at the end of Sept and harvested in April. Despite our longer 'growing season' here, many plants go dormant from mid Nov to mid Jan or Feb. I think it'll be longer colder Winter here; so I'd expect dormancy this year perhaps even through mid March. So, my things like kale and greens need to be big enough to begin harvesting by mid Nov. I'll get more growth in Winter than folks up North, but not if the plants don't enter Winter with some vigor. Or, that's been my observations so far.
I do think the onions are one exception; because I've transplanted them mid Nov to mid Jan for decades now. I prefer to plant them Nov for the biggest onions. So, short day onions break the rules and keep growing. I'm curious, are there other plants that break the rules?
Every year I plant for Fall, and rarely get what I expect. I think your information may help me refine my skills. Thank you! You have no idea how grateful I am.
Lord willing, I'll be buying your seeds again next year; as I"ve discovered a few gaps in my seed bank this year when things didn't germinate. Hot peppers and Winter squashes are on top of my list. And you have other varieties you've show cased that look interesting too.
We plant our carrots in October for a February/March harvest. They hold well in the ground in early spring, so we don't have to harvest them all at one time. Planting onions in November allows you to maximize the "vegetative phase", which makes a larger bulb once the "bulbing phase" begins as days get longer early in the following year.
I am in 8d and I am starting green magic in side now.
Great variety for early fall!
Just found y’all’s channel and I’m so glad I did! Great job guys! Really looking forward to the seed ordering thing you mentioned. That’s going to be awesome! Sometimes having to think about what to buy, what to plant and when to plant it wears me out more than actually having to plant it 😂
Welcome to the channel Rachel! Glad you found us!
Another great show! I noticed today that youtube has done something to your channel because it used to show date video aired but now it don't. You need to see about that because in all of your videos you talk about planting "RIGHT NOW" or very soon and so the published date would be really good for many people to know about. Also you offer special deals and have links in description for things that no longer exist when the video was published years ago. What happened to the recipe book?
We'll look into. Thanks for pointing this out.
Your graphs are helpful for me, zone 6 Ohio. I am a raised bed gardener and "GREEN". LOL. I ordered your Crimson Clover for a cover crop but I'm confused as to when to plant it if I want to plant for fall as well? I love the 2 shirts I ordered too! They are so soft and comfortable! Thank you for helping us out and improving our knowledge!
PS... Would love to have your tomato sauce recipe , since papa gave it the "YUMMY OKAY", I'D sure like to know all the ingredients! Blessings from Ohio!
Plant the clover about two months before your expected first frost date.
Have you ever tried a fall (before the frost) tomato grow/harvest? Say planting end of june, or first week in july, where you are.
I've done it twice in zone 7 and I think it works very well because they really like to produce in cooler weather, rather than in 95 degree summer heat.
We have. Our whitefly pressure is pretty nasty here in late summer/early fall. It gets really bad when all the cotton farmers start defoliating the cotton. We've tried it and made a few tomatoes, but it can be tough for us.
@@gardeningwithhoss I guess I'm lucky here in North AL. The onliest bug problem I have are afew tomato worms and stink bugs were really bad 2years ago. Lucky I have a resident flock of bug eating birds and this year I have a small swarm of dragon flies and of course always red wasps.
How many pumpkins are you seeing on the Seminole and Cherokee Tan pumpkins?
Good question! I would be curious to know how many it sets on a plant, too.
We didn't count them to get a per plant production rate, but it's a solid producer.
Another great show guys! Y'all have inspired me and I am in the process of planning my own "dream garden" of 8 30'x35' plots. I have a question about crop rotation, my plan is to set my plots up on a four year rotation, which I have figured out, but what do I do if I want to plant a fall garden in the same plots, how does that fit into a rotation?
Just make sure you don't plant the same crop family in the same plot in consecutive years. Fall gardens are great. Definitely something you'll want to do in your dream garden.
Good show with good info. Is there a reason you would not transplant spinach, carrots and greens in the fall? Is it not practical?
Those crops are usually planted very densely. Too dense for transplanting.
Travis: I have a couple of questions about one of the crops you do best . . . beets. I just harvested mine (I'm in 7b) and most were oblong rather than round - - - almost like potatoes. They were Detroit reds and I started from transplants. Any idea what I may have done wrong or what caused this? I plan to do another crop this fall, you mentioned beet transplants take a little longer to get ready to transplant. About how long should I expect them to take and when I transplant, how deep should I plant them??
Thanks for all that you, Greg and the other Hoss Tools folks do!!
Sometimes transplanted beets will have a slightly oblong shape. That happens sometimes to ours, and sometimes it doesn't. I really can't determine the cause. If you feed them well, they usually only take about a month and a half after transplanting. That is heavily dependent on the outdoor temps though.
zone 9A over on the Georgia coast...when do I start my transplants? mid september? ... in the ground mid October? 4-6 weeks of transplant growing seems to back it up to September 1. ?
Anytime in September should be fine, considering you have slightly milder temps from being close to the coast.
Is there any word on when the bottom trays are coming back in stock? I have 5 of the seed trays, and am hoping to be able to start some seedlings. It's been too hot to just start them in the trays outside, here in 9a I need to get the tray bottoms so I can start indoors on a shelf. I'm thinking it has something to do with this disrupted supply train, just hoping y'all have heard some word. Thanks.
They're on a container ship between the UK (where they're made) and south GA. Should have them in 4-5 weeks or so.
I have an onion question. How do you tell what kind of onion you should grow for your zone? You were talking about different types. I am located in 7B.
If you scroll to the bottom of any of our onion seed pages, you'll see a map that shows you what type (short-day, intermediate-day, long-day) that you should grow based on your location.
Really enjoyed the show tonight! Got a question. Without a green house what would be you recommendation be on growing fall transplants? I have the trays and led lights would growing them in a storage building work ? I’ve been kicked out of the house ( growing transplants that is).
Should be about the same. If anything, the greenhouse delays some of our seed starting because sometimes it's too hot in there for lettuce seeds to germinate in September.
What are your best sources for figs plants? Thanks so much and I am really enjoying your show.
There are lots of good fig groups on FB. Many of the folks in those groups sell cuttings in the winter months.
Would you transplant peas? I would think direct seeding. I can try something new!
Many people transplant English Peas. Works great. We usually direct seed, but transplanting is not a bad idea at all.
Hey Travis how did you like the half runner beans? Will you grow them again?
They were very prolific. Planted ours probably too late in the season and many of them were stung due to increased pest pressure. But definitely would grow again.
Great show guys! What is the best way to save the seeds I buy from one year to the next? I don't always use up the entire package. Also, which ones aren't worth saving from one year to the next?
You can keep them in the fridge. Onion seed and pea seed don't keep very well.
Great show today guys! Greg thank you so much, you gave me an answer to a question I was about to ask. Can I plant sweet corn after my tomaters?👍🏼
Sure you can!
Hey guys! Greg, you mentioned that fall harvest corn needs to be babied. I pla ted my fall corn for the first time about a week ago. Its up about 2-3" now. How do I need to baby it? I'm in southeast NC zone 8a/8b depending on which chart you look at. Thanks for all the great advice!
Keep it watered, feed it well -- make sure the leaves are nice and dark green, and not curled from heat stress.
Great show as always. I have my plan for the fall crop here in 7b; but would like to ask when you would expect this years (new) seed for next spring planting? Example: 2020 nightshade seed, corn, legumes etc etc
Our seed is always fresh. We are always replenishing our supply. So it's not like we just buy it all at one time. We are always buying new seeds so things are fresh.
What variety of figs will grow best in 9a north east Florida
Any of them!
You are in the ideal climate for figs, honestly. Most all will thrive in your area. My only suggestion would be to avoid varieties that don't like high humidity. I recommend checking our www.figdatabase.com/ to research varieties, and check out OurFigs.com, too. best of luck to you.
I would like to hear your thoughts on Planting by the Moon. I have talked to a lot of old timers in the Mennonite Community (which are my neighbors) and most of them follow that concept by the book.
Doesn't matter. The moon has nothing to do with when you should plant. Plant when the weather/soil moisture allows.
So here in south Fl frost date is not until January 11, I was getting ready to build 3 raised beds-around 3”x6’ ,but since summers are in mid to upper 90’s, I was thinking of tomatoes( Bella Rosa and Jubilee )for a fall crop along with pole and bush beans. I know most do t grow in the fall but thought maybe in s FL could get away with it...thanks and keep the good info coming,great videos....Any thoughts ?
We love growing pole beans in the fall. You can do tomatoes as well. Might want to wait a month or two to plant them though.
Where do yall buy your fig trees? Love all of your videos
We bought cuttings from some folks on a few fig groups on FB.
If someone got excited and started fall seed way early in their hoss seed tray...would you suggest going ahead and transplanting them if temps are still in the 90’s and up, or keeping them in the tray.
Might want to consider stepping them up into some 3-4" pots. They won't be able to handle that kind of heat.
Amy S You can also transplant into the bigger styrofoam cups if you can’t afford lots of pots. I bought a box of (I think it was 500) big cups at Sam’s for around $17 and I just poke a few drainage holes in the bottom with a chopstick or ballpoint pen. I know those cups aren’t great for the environment, but they’re one of the cheapest decent-sized planting containers I know of.
hey yall. My BIG question. Can i harvest my butternuts before the vines die off. Im afraid the pickle worms will get em. they have good color but im no so sure the taste is better if i wait until the vines die?
Need to wait until the vines die. Hit them with spinosad a couple times a week to keep those pickle worms at bay.
Yes, wait. If you pick them too early, they won't taste right nor store well. They need time to develop
My landlord’s gardener ran over all my winter squash plants with a lawnmower and killed all of them. Just thought I’d share, because I’m devastated. They had so many baby squash on them. 😭😭
When you thin out your plants, what do you do with them afterwards?
Thanks Justin
Just throw them on the ground usually.
I wanted to ask you about a fall crop I have never been successful with- Napa Cabbage. (I’m in Atlanta) I just ordered spring crisp Napa cabbage from you but can I grow it in the fall? I have heard that it’s much easier to grow in the fall, but I don’t know. Fall or spring I can grow some nice leaves but I never get a nice tight head. But I have never tried a hybrid before. Tried hybrid kohlrabi this year after years of pushing along heirlooms with limited success and what a world of difference!
You can grow it in the spring or fall, although it will probably do best in the fall. Cabbage is a heavy feeder, so make sure you feed it well. We like to transplant our cabbage.
Hello, i have a question that i can't find anywhere that you guys have talked about this subject. Why you don't use Woven weed cover. It seems there are many commercial growers that use it with drip tape and a lot of every day gardeners. Really interested in your perspective.
It works great. However, there's not an easy way to lay it on a small to medium scale like we garden.
Thank you for the reply, So it's just a personal preference in your operation. I thought you may have found an inherent problem with the product. Thanks again on the reply. Lv your show, wealth of information.
This is completely off topic of this weeks show. I have a tomato plant growing in my fresh compost pile. This years chicken and duck bedding and waste. I just noticed it this week. It is quite large and has a ton of blooms on it. More blooms than my garden plants lol. Are they safe to eat from the newer waste pile? I have my reservations. Not sure if my mind can get past the thought, lol. Or should I just feed them to the chickens? New at composting and am not sure.
Eat them up! Don't see why there would be any issues.
Hoss Tools ok thanks. I was worried about bacteria in the fresh waste. I thought compost had to age before it was safe, decreased pathogens.
I planted a dwarf lady fig I am guessing it will take two years b4 I get any fruit ? I am planting dwarf fruits in my front yard I only have a .68 of a acre so making use of every space I can . What should I put around the base of my trees to help them ? Just compost?
This stuff here works great: hosstools.com/product/complete-organic-fertilizer/
Will y’all be getting onion seeds and garlic restocked before November?
Yes.
Travis you mentioned in a previous video that you don't understand why people grow indeterminate tomatoes over determinate varieties. My understanding is that me as a small scale gardener just growing some food for the family to eat, a indeterminate tomato would give me a steady supply of tomatoes throughout the growing season vs a big harvest at one time with determinates. Ive never grown a determinate variety. Am I wrong in that assumption? Or are determinate varieties truly superior to indeterminate over all?
Just depends on what you're trying to do. Down here, all tomatoes are going to be toast by mid-July. So we don't get the benefit of growing an indeterminate for a long period of time. Determinate are easier to trellis, and the harvest is concentrated which works great if you do a lot of canning.
Hey guys. I’m doing the Sudan grass cover crop this year. How short can I cut it down and still have it grow? I’m going to go back and watch your video from last year but just wanted to check. Thanks.
Just put your mower on its highest setting and it will be just fine.
Where do we submit the recipes for the cookbook? I have a recipe for Southern Sweet potato dip that you LOVE! Vegan too!
Send them to custserv@hosstools.com.
@@gardeningwithhoss Thanks! Will do.
Can a corn plant ever be too tall or too short when it starts tasseling? If no then why do you not hear about mini corn stalks?
If they tassle short, that usually means you didn't give them enough fertilizer or water.
Do you have any suggestions for which herbs to start in the fall?
Basil and Cilantro are good ones.
Whats a good trick to get pelleted seeds to germinate? I had gotten a few packs as a birthday gift back in march and couldn't get any of them to come up.
Keep the seed best moist throughout the entire germination process.
Companies selling seeds tend to push Hybrids because you can't save seeds....
Just one more thing, from experience pelleted seeds don't seem to germinate as well as standard seeds, it could be me but its not even close
Our pelleted lettuce and tomato seeds germinate faster than the heirloom varieties that aren't pelleted.
@@gardeningwithhoss With all due respect my concern was the lower germination rate not the germination speed. From experience and word of mouth it seems like pelleted seeds in general have a lower germination rate than non pelleted seeds. Based on your own experience is this true for your seeds, particularly the very small seeds like carrots.
Wyoming we’ve had great germination with our pelleted carrot varieties. You can watch some of my carrot videos from last fall’s planting and see a nice, solid stand. It’s all about keeping the seed bed moist for at least 7 days. But that’s the case with any carrot seed - raw or pelleted.
I must really like your show and you guys, because I can't stand the sound of people eating....especially when it's magnified by a mic LOL! And yet I suffer through so I can enjoy your show 🤣 But I have to say those figs do look delicious!
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Are we sure that a Seminole pumpkin and a Cherokee Tan pumpkin aren't the same thing? Kinda like a woodchuck and a groundhog, same animal, but given a different name in a different region.
They are certainly different. The Cherokee Tan makes a larger, flatter pumpkin that Seminole.
Why can home gardeners not grow hybrids but you can buy them.
I plant heritage seeds, save seeds, due to the possibility of food shortages or delivery interruption.
What is your opinion on food shortages and possibly delivery interruption?
Haven't seen anything that would indicate a food shortage on the vegetable side. There are billions of dollars worth of commercial produce grown in our region of the state and that all seems to be running as usual.
Any chance of getting tillage radishes back in stock any time soon?
Yes. Waiting on a fresh crop of seed. Should have them in the next few weeks.
What are some plants you cannot plant in the same plot as watermelons due to disease.
Any cucurbit -- squash, cucumbers, pumpkins, etc.
What about planting tomatoes and cucumbers in the fall? I am in Zone 8b
Cucumbers certainly. Tomatoes will do okay. You will make a few, but not as big a harvest as the spring crop.
Hey guys, My rattlesnake beans are growing like Bush beans what might be the cause?
Sometimes insufficient nutrient levels can cause them to be stunted.
Hoss Tools The beans also don’t have the purple blotches.
Do I need to rotate crops after every planting , both spring and fall or just once a year? I have a small raised bed garden with 2 beds and Only place I have to plant my watermelon or pumpkins ( growing vertical) is where I recently had musk melons and cucumbers. No issues with disease or bugs in that spot during last crop
Best to not grow the same family in the same spot in consecutive seasons or years.
Hoss Tools imma have to do a little refiguring. 🤔🤔
I am in Iowa , Can I grow Figs here? Would love to add some for the Learning Garden with my Child Care. Are there any other fall Items I can still get in that you think the children would enjoy growing. I am tossing the idea of doing a cold frame with them as well.
Not sure what the northernmost distribution is on the figs. I do know many folks up north grow them in containers and bring them inside when temps get really cold.
Travis where can i buy that Black Malta fig tree?
We found cuttings on a fig group on FB.
Where do you get the black Malta fig plants?
We bought cuttings from a guy on a fig group on FB.
Will you be getting the Cherokee bell pepper?
Working on it for next spring. It's on the list.
What do you fertilize a fig tree with ?
We've been using our Complete Organic Fertilizer (hosstools.com/product/complete-organic-fertilizer/)
Will you eventually be shipping to Canada?
We have an international checkout feature that allows us to ship anywhere in the world -- except seeds. Seeds are tricky because each country has its own regulations as far as importing seeds.
@@gardeningwithhoss interesting, because I buy 90% of my seeds from US suppliers. (Bakers Creek, Hudson Valley, Parks). I will check back once in a while in case things change. :)
I can't grow a kohlrabi bigger than a ping pong ball... I am using 20-20-20. Any suggestions?
Might have too much N and not enough P & K.
Where do guys buy your fig trees?
Mostly from folks on fig groups on FB.
I am a little confused. I am in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, zone 8A. We always plant our onion transplants in mid January from seeds sown in Oct/Nov. You all plant transplants in November from seeds sown in Sept. I don’t understand the discrepancy, can you help me out here?
Onions can tolerate temps down to 20 degrees. If you live in an area that doesn't get below 20 degrees for prolonged periods of time, you can overwinter the onions like we do -- plant in November and harvest in April. You'll make much bigger onions this way if your climate allows you to do it.
Thanks. I think I will do a trial with some planted in November. We do get below 20 on occasion but not for prolonged periods of time.
Let us pick our own polinizer on the watermelons. Please. Or at least give choices.
That would making packing the seeds extremely difficult. We'd have to pack per order, which would slow us down quite a bit. We'll include a pollenizer, but you're always welcome to choose another variety as your pollenizer.
If you save the seeds from South Anna Butternut Winter Squash, will they produce the next season, or are they hybrids and you can't do that? Thank you!
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It is stabilized, so seeds saved would be true to variety.
@@gardeningwithhoss thank you so much!
You can plant onions in the fall?
If you live in an area where it rarely gets below 20 degrees, you can plant them in November and overwinter them for a spring harvest.
Are figs a berry?
Not a berry, but some of them have a berry flavor.
I realize this is an old video. But, I watch lots of your videos and they are all great. But man, when ya'll eat, the sounds are grating on me. Am I alone in this? Is the sounds of chewing etc too loud in the mic for anyone else? Just me?
Some people love it and some despise it. Thanks for watching