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I have a photo of two 800-year-old apple trees on an old English manor. This photo was taken over 100 years ago, so if the trees are still alive, they will now be over 900 years old. Many rosaceae can live hundreds of years, if they are properly cared for, there are even almond trees in the Middle East that are thousands of years old!
Thank you for your work, and God Bless!
Received thank you. WOW 800 years. When you think of the time to plant and the hundreds of years of productive utility, it becomes a gift to future generations.
astonishing
@@StefanSobkowiakYes! Think of that in reference to the Brazilian rainforests! I've read that there's the theory that most of the rainforest in Brazil appears to have been manufactured (if you will). There is evidence of the use of biochar and "islands" of compost with evidence that the soil was made of the discard of human water and kitchen waste, including shellfish and other ocean based foods and seaweeds. These "islands" are where most of the unique fruit trees and medicinal plants grow. As though it was a planned permaculture forest, built to sustain itself for thousands of years. It sure is a shame the governments and businesses don't recognize the gift our ancestor humans left for their descendants, and just burn and bulldoze it... 😢 I'm digging the info you're passing on with your channel! Thank you.
@@StefanSobkowiak Yes! Think of that in reference to the Brazilian rainforests! I've read that there's the theory that most of the rainforest in Brazil appears to have been manufactured (if you will). There is evidence of the use of biochar and "islands" of compost made of the discarded human waste and kitchen waste, including shellfish and other ocean based foods and seaweeds. These "islands" are where most of the unique fruit trees and medicinal plants grow. As though it was planned permaculture forests, built to sustain themselves for thousands of years. It's a shame that governments and big businesses don't recognize the gifts our ancestor humans left for the future generations. 😢 I'm digging the info you're passing on here in your channel. Thank you!
Do you think it’s because apples are mostly grafted now? If they start from seeds, will they live longer?
i started experimenting with treating my seeds, for a couple of weeks before planting, with a ripe banana! i place the seeds in open trays in a box and place a ripe banana and close the box to avoid air flow. the banana releases ethylene gas which causes the seeds to germinate into much more robust plants. i have experimented with this for over 20yrs and it seems pretty much universally effective. the idea came to me when i was using the banana to ripen avocados. i had a time lapse movie like dream of a fruit falling to the ground, rotting, then a young tree sprouting from it. seeds are used to falling to the ground in rotting matter which generates ethylene gas as it warms up. the results are rather dramatic with many plants i have experimented with.
Fantastic.
Wow, that's really good information. ...and a good point about seeds dropping in rotting fruit, or being digested of course. @Alslnd have you done this with all seeds or just fruit type seeds? Of course the heating up that happens with the rotting process is probably also an important step.
@@helentc in the past 20+yrs, i have tried all the variations i could think of. i did think of the temp but my experiments on the seeds showed no change. if you think about it, the rotting happens in the early spring so the temps will be rather cool anyway. the heating did change the germination times but not the robustness of the plants. the process seems to make the most difference on fruiting plants but even veggies showed marked improvement. the reason i took so long testing was that i wanted to eliminate other variables such as a batch of seeds, weather, and location variables. i have never found, as of yet, a plant that does not benefit at least a little from this. this is the reason why i started telling people about this for the past year. i am hoping others will try to replicate so we can follow the scientific method and see if we can't improve things for everyone 🙂
Wow, that's amazing. It reminds me, that etylene plays an important role in the plants immune systeme. Maybe the robustness is improved as it boosts the immune system through the systemic aquired resistance (SAR) pathway?
@@davidka8345in my previous life, before i got old, i used to do quite a lot of lab research. here, i have found some very interesting indications of some natural pathway. when i was a young man, and had access to a lab, i pursued these things in a much more detailed way and get into the nitty-gritty. through the years, i have shared some of this with other young people in academics and i think some "official" research will eventually come of it. this old man has done as much as possible with the limited resources. now i putter in my orchard. it is interesting how we change as we age. I'm still interested in learning but my focus has gradually moved from the trees and to the forest 🙂
This works on people too.
The strongest people I know grew up in the harshest conditions.
True...
Perhaps because that environment destroys the rest and you never get to met them.
Put your hands in the air for me.🙌 I'm planting my first garden this year. Climbing food prices and instability in the world. Better sharpen those skills sooner rather than later. 🙌
Stefan, I often listen to TH-cam videos on gardening and such. I find myself half listening mostly but, whenever one of your videos appears it has my full attention cause I know it comes from a place of profound wisdom and passion. Just wanted to say I really appreciate you.
Wow, thank you!
The beauty and sheer brilliance of our creator God.
Amen!
As opposed to,
“Everything came from nothing!” 🤭
His word is not nothing, it’s power.
@@StefanSobkowiakIm getting inspired reading these comments about our Great Creator !
As a guy in my mid 20s, thank you for this Stefan. I was just recently given the opportunity to work with a landowner to create a permaculture farm and it's a first for both of us so this type of content is absolutely vital for us!
That’s why i did it, it’s what i would have loved having when i was starting out.
Same here!! I was just given access to an acre to build a food forest here in upstate SC. Best of luck to you!!
@@YoooItsRex You too!!
@@YoooItsRex hi, upstate where if I may ask? I'm in Salem area.
@@KB-2222 just outside fountain inn!
Thank you so very much Stefan. I do wish this information was available 50 years ago, but I am passing it on to my grown grandchildren... ❤
Me too, 30 years ago when i started.
I am 28 Years old from Norway, and have found big love and interest for plants the past years.
I wanna thank you so much for giving your time and wisdom for free. You explain your knowledge in a way that is possible for me to build a understanding. - Thank you so much for sharing this amazing knowledge. Wish you nothing but the best :)
Our pleasure!
I am so thankful for utube . It gives me opportunities to gather such great information. And meet and witness people with such a love for growing and sharing their information. Thanks for sharing.! I learn so much from your channel. 😊
A feature length movie. All these combined might make investing in your wonderful course a no brainer. An excerpt that is over two hours? 😮
Total masterclass is 26 hours and counting.
yes fungi mushroom myceleum essential, you are really right.they say micorrhysae increase root of a plant by 10,000, very interesting
This lesson is almost all a mf need if they want to do permaculture. I've been watching this almost everyday while I'm in my garden. I started watching the videos way after I got started. But you showed me I got a lot of things right. Like the sea buckthorn i planted between my cucumbers, and melons because i know they fix nitrogen. I don't have much space but still able to have 6 fruit trees, 6 grapevines, and about 50 berry bushes. I even have the bird feeders so they can poop, and drop shells to the soil which adds nutrients. I have a bee house so the bees will house my backyard. Now I'm trying to put berries in the garden just for the animals so they'd have enough to eat not to mess with my food. I'm working on the mycelium network now.
Wow, thank you for sharing this here!!
This is fantastic! Working on my micro orchard, thanks to Stefan! Goumi, paw paw, cherry, figs, thornless locust and mulberry to be planted this season...adding to stone fruit and apple trees. Remediate invasive plants (burning bush, English ivy and oriental bittersweet vine) and plant native bushes for birds (to eat bugs!). Thanks Stefan ! ! !
Fantastic, keep progressing. You’ll never regret you started when you did.
Stefan, you're a stud! Thank you and the team for sharing this gem of a video!!
Thanks for the refresher on all things permaculture. :)
Thank you!
thank you so much sir🙏
super wykład! dzięki Stefan!
You are preaching of using what i call my "domestic hedgerow" method. The fence rows are going to grow up in trees and brush regardless unless you poison. I just pick the plants that grow there. I'm on the gulf coast in America and I plant up my fence rows with trees, shrubs like mulberry, fig, blueberry, etc, then grape and hardy kiwi vines, blackberries, and a lot of medicinal and edible herbs.
It works fantastic. Excellent teaching method you use here. I 100% stand with you on your ideas!
Wow, awesome upload!!!
This was better than church
Awesome, I'm glad you posted this, I've got a bunch of perennial seeds I'll be starting soon.
I really like you give this content for free! Thank you so much!
Glad you enjoy it!
Amazing work Stefan! thanks for sharing your knowledge
Glad you liked it!
Thank you my friend. Always love learning something from you.
Glad to hear it!
Interesting. The first part (10 minutes)about programming raises a question; as you describe it it's about epigenetics. And that would be great! A simpler explanation however is 'natural' selection. So to know whichever of the two it is we need to know how many seeds were started and what the success rate was and compare those numbers with a standard seeding.
Thank you for this. It's very informative. Hoping I can be putting to practice much of it, and all else I have learned in the past, very soon now.
Very useful knowledge, thank you
I love this info I have learned something new to enhance my skill Thanks for sharing
Thank you, my friend - I am going to set aside an evening to watch this.
Very impressive, thank you...
Great job!
What an amazing class! I've learned so much about my orchard from you. Thank you.
You are so welcome!
This is my listening material during my gym workout
Thank you for sharing, one of the most helpful videos I’ve seen on the subject
Glad it was helpful!
Brilliant and very informative video. Thank you😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
Such a great video. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for the amazing information. I learned so much.
Glad it was helpful!
Merci !
Great consolidated video about most of your experience and your other videos
Thanks
Thanks for watching!
you are right about carbon to, we need to remember carbon is the battery of the soil and make the buffer and arbitrage of all antagonistic minerals in the soil who are also important, plus the more important 1% carbon in the soil mean 20,000 gallons water per acre retainage in the soil, a centrury ago soil were about 20 t0 30% carbone now between 3 to 5 purcent maybe less, we need to rebuilt soild carbone and minerals like basalt and soft rock phosphate to...all farm mut begin a serious journey through biologic..carbon help to buffer sun cycles...
Tu comprends bien Michel.
Stefan speaks I listen, simple as
We are adding fruit trees to our pastures. Keeping some keyline principles and 16m or 32m spacing of the rows and 7m spacing between trees. For apple rootstock we use M111 or 106 based on the soil we have in that location. We also try to do the same for other fruits while keeping trios. The only thing we are not very sure about is the 7m spacing. The wider spacing might be positive for the pasture but we'll have to see.
Fantastic. Distance gives you options, especially if you ever plant to run animals under the trees in the future.
Excellent your video. I am your fan
Many many thanks
I'd be interested to hear about his germination rate starting seeds that way. I mean, with permaculture trees and perennials that doesn't really matter, but with annuals it might. I'm curious if all he was doing was not "activating" seed memory but initiating artificial selection.
Possibly but the results were staggeringly positive.
It's interesting that Sepp Holzer (Austrian permaculturalist) and Han Kyu Cho (Korean Natural Farming) have very similar techniques. In natural farming, there is a saying, it's better to suffer in young years.
"I've bean there and I've done that."😄😁😂
Are you going to release the full class on DVD like you did with the Permaculture Orchard?
All courses are already available online at www.permaculture.study and can be viewed from the comfort of your home or on the go at your own pace. You’ll also get lifetime access and you can start each of these 11 courses for free on our website.
@@StefanSobkowiak Thank you!!
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Wow we are so much ahead of you in the season. We barely had a winter.
I was hoping the sprouted compost avocado would survive.
I even have a peach special to this region "Weinbergpfirsich" vineyard peach with dark red flesh, a little tart und a fuzzy coating.
Are you collecting and are interested in some stones?
Peaches are not reliable in this region (-34C two years ago). Try grafting your novel peach just in case.
1" of groh in a tree ring every year is actually 2" of growth (in diameter) every year
Question: Would the vertical trio of layers work the same with dwarf variety of fruit trees? 19:23
Yes just use smaller shrubs.
Thank-you so much for making this knowledge available for free!
At 1hour 8minutes in the video. Are there times it makes sense (funds and situation permitting) when it makes sense to buy a bit of acreage with the ideal growing condition, within a short commute from home? Not all properties are so practical or possible to build a home on. It will likely mean hauling water to an undeveloped property to water plants to help them survive to grow.
Granted, a downside is you then must take time to drive to harvest, to tend, and have a way to carry supplies back and forth (tools, water, fencing). A suitable off grid vehicle and optional trailer would be an extra expense. There is also a risk of trasspassers on the other property.
Livestock can be hauled to pasture, but they must have enough water (even if you must drive in water in a severe drought), food, and very good protection from livestock. Coyotes can get under fences and do heavy predation on sheep flocks that are easier prey to hunt.
I travel one hour each way to the orchard and have done so for 30 years. A good container with a secure lockbox is a great lower cost asset for all tools. Great site and site location is a great investment, even if you don't live on site.
those renewal shoots from the base are rootstock aren't they? do you plan to overgraft them or first train them and graft the main branches?
No they are of the cultivar, 42 year old tree so the graft union is below ground.
@@StefanSobkowiak i haven't heard of that practice before. so these trees were allowed to grow on their own cultivar roots after grafting? that means that if it wasn't a monoculture orchard they would all grow to different sizes.
Soil does not deepen it uppens, as Joel Salatin says. Any orchard with time should have the graft union become buried (unless there is tillage and soil erosion under the trees). That’s the reason grafted fruit trees should be planted with the graft union 6” above the soil. To your question yes if not a monoculture with time the trees could grow to different heights depending on species.
I’ve seen some black weed barrier in your videos around the trees. Is it plastic or fabric?
Durable 4mil plastic, will last the life of the orchard.
Fascinating. So is seed programming stressing them in ascetic conditions ?
Then, what did you mean by 'growing happily germinated seeds in optimal conditions ?
It depends if you want to program the seeds or not, if not then yes start the seeds in good conditions, good soil or mix.
Awesome information going to watch it 2 times to really understand and be able to tell others. And who could ever deny God when you look at nature,,its so obvious we have an intelligent creator❤
Awesome thanks i had two trees in my backyard when i bought my house 8 years ago i suspected they were very old fruit trees. They were very old and barely alive as i gave them a rock to see how solid they were one snapped off at ground level sayonara, the other didn't i gave it a little tidy it only showed a bit of green and most of that was lichen a little later i cut the main trunk down to two thirds then i got the shoots from a foot off the ground so i prioritized one and severed the main trunk. The main trunk was so rotten and split and i could see daylight through it and termite like ants inside the trunk, i covered the top of the severed trunk with a plastic yoghurt lid taped it on to protect it from further decaying . The shoot grew to 8ft tall but didnt show any signs of flowers or fruit this year i noticed two little apples looking things that didnt stick it out fully(maybe birds) but the shoot has formed its own new trunk to the ground clearly visible down the side of the rotten main trunk. I have about 40 fruit trees plus natives plus a few host perennials and my mystery tree. I am in Christchurch Nz and I am sand where i am and everything likes it except some berries. Long winded i know but you roused my guilty pleasure.
Nice. Beautiful place Christchurch.
Would seed programming apply to cacti and succulent seeds as well? I guess it’s time for an experiment! Thank you for the information 🙏
Worth trying although they already grow in pure sand and gravel. Hard to make the soil harsher.
Thank you #SaveSoil #Consciousplanet
Regarding seed programming: I have wondered for some time, if it would be better to plant seeds at the time of year that the fruit is normally eaten by animals. The thought being that the seeds or seedlings will experience my climate while still "young and impressionable", rather than being planted in the spring when conditions are most ideal.
Better? Try both, you'll likely need to protect the seeds from seed eaters the longer it is before they germinate.
1:23:01 Second spring of Sava river.
Do you use the jadam method? Or buy fertiliser
Haven’t used anything.
@@StefanSobkowiak interesting 🧐
Uncle Stefan's grow game is so GOAT, that he grew all his hair out several times in one video😎
Hahaha, that's what happens when covid restrictions affect services. Plus it was filmed over one year.
I wonder if animals are like the poor soil seedlings too. I had a starving skinny street kitten. Within a year of well nourishment, she grew to be a big chubby cat and never lost her weight.
Epigenetics is just starting to be known and understood
@@StefanSobkowiak Epigenetics? Thanks.
Just as Stefon finished explaining, 3 shares; Biden, yes our installed president ad came on to share with his campaign ! 🤣
Does this work with tree cuttings? The concept of programming seeds.
I have not tested but from epigenetic literature it works on established plants although not likely as dramatic.
Amazing movie! #PermacultureRevolution
Aside from the education, I'm here for the das jokes. "I've bean there, and done that." 😏😌
After the work I've done on my Dad's out of control orchard and seeing how damaging grapevines were, i dont want those anywhere near fruit trees. They took down his gravenstine, bartlett and another fruit tree that i dont know what it was. Are Kiwi as dangerous to not stay on top of?
Can be, it’s important to evaluate the grape cultivars you put on trees. Since grape can range from 1 to 10 on vigour, use the ones that are 1 or 2. Much easier to manage. Wild grapes are more like 10.
I will have to check on that. I like grapes. Just the destruction they did over time was crazy @@StefanSobkowiak
The Pre-Columbian/Amazonian people dealt w/ similar poor soil conditions. These beginning seed thesis of programming seeds. Make a ton of sense.
I am very hesitant with planting honey locust and sea buckthorn everywhere, because they sucker a lot from my observations. I guess honey locust not so much as long as it doesn't get damaged, but I'm afraid even cutting it strongly would trigger the suckering. So I am a bit surprised you recomend them without mentioning this topic. You don't have any problems at all with suckering of these species?
Also experience from others would be appreciated!
Out of the couple of hundred honey locust we have one sucker where we dug and cut through the root. The Seaberries that sucker i want them to sucker more so I can replant them. Once fully planted they will just be mowed or dug up and sold.
@@StefanSobkowiakok. Thank you!
If i have a standard tree can ï have more than 15 branches ?
You can but you’ll notice the extra are not needed and in fact will hinder the branch below.
I like the tree renewal part but aren't you just renewing rootstock?
You can check if you can identify a graft union just make sure it is above that point. No this one is above, in 40+ years the graft union can get buried.
We are over run with honey suckle wisterias bamboo and privet hedge! I need a clean slate, but being over 60 I feel stuck!
Find a goat farmer and strike a lease
@@HunterSells sounds good.
when you speak of using a shoot to produce a new fruit tree, there's one problem with that: fruit trees generally will have a crappy fruiting rootstock and quality fruiting main tree grafted onto that crap fruiting rootstock. The shoot is coming up from the crappy fruiting rootstock which means it will give you a crappy fruiting tree. bad. Unless you plan to graft onto that and are just using that as rootstock. I assume that is what you mean then? You never explained that part but that must be what you mean.
Yes grafting above the first branch to get the best of both worlds. A known good scion and a look at what the seedling gives, just in case. The branch can be pruned off if it proves inferior.
@Ni-dk7ni wait now I'm totally lost. My understanding is each time a shoot comes up from a rootstock it is genetically identical to the rootstock original and is not a bred or hardy anything is just more of the same so what do you mean?
Sorry I didn’t realize which one of the rootstock you were talking about. Yes rootstock cultivars are not selected for their fruit quality. Adding a scion or piece of branch or even a bud onto it will give you the type of fruit you want on the new grafted growth. Check out my grafting playlist for several examples of how to do grafts to understand the process.
so to renew the trees you are promoting we let the suckers grow freely? what if the tree is a grafted variety?
You need to determine if the sucker is above the graft union. You can dig to expose the base to check. You can also tell by the leaf pattern. Above or at the graft is what you want.
I’m painfully a visual learner…need a landscape drawing
Did you get to the magic model video part? Definitely visual.
Seed tough love.
I have a lot of killer snails 🐌they eat everything I plant in my garden. So I gave up. They eat all my fine sweet strawberries, salat, flowers and more. Do you have some idear? I have tried a lot of snail traps but its not enough and I dont want to use poision.
Ducks and chickens eat snails 😍
Ducks are even better than chickens, they tend not to eat your vegetables.
Copper wire. Or copper leaf paper. It shocks the snails when they pass over them.
Grow indoor
Growing in big pots and slug fences for smaller beeds works for me. Also there are plants like squash, they need to have a certain size, so I grow them in pots flor several weeks and when they are big enough slug/snails wont kill them anymore.
Another idea is to use wild herbs instead of salad, as they are more robust. It's also possible to mix salad, wild herbs and edible flowers.
Imagine telling someone a secret because they live on the other side of the world only for them to share it with the entire world...
Hahaha, so true. I waited 10 years to share it.
(Out)(stading)inhisfield! Huh! Lol!!!
Jostaberry does really well here in South Jersey. Honey Berry does not do well at all. Aronia grows like a beast but the taste is eh.
That's all part of the learning journey for your area.
How can I benefit from fire ants ? If I'm correct sweetgum trees are nitrogen fixers @
Not familiar with sweetgum.
Years ago, I read an article in Organic Gardening Magazine. The lady that wrote the article said she used the skin and pith, peeled from Grapefruit to get rid of Fire Ants.
She peeled the skin and chopped it down. Then placed a ring of the Grapefruit rind around the entrance hole of the Fire Ant colony.
The ants carried the bits and pieces down the hole.
She said she didn't know exactly what killed the ants, but, the Grapefruit skins treatment did get rid of them.
It might be something "in" the Grapefruit skins. Or, something on the Grapefruit. Or, something (like a bacteria or fungus) that grew on the Grapefruit.
@@abigail01441thanks, need to try it ! So many things are hidden in simplicity, including our Lord !
Maybe people are like that too. Like programmed seeds, that is.
This method of planting in poor soil, reminded me of people planting their cucumbers in hot wood shavings!
LOL forgive me for having such a wild imagination and absurdist tendencies, but when he is creating the layout for the property, with stuff he has laying around the house, I keep expecting him to morph into a crazed guy bent on making Devil's Tower, a la "Close Encounters"
A Koala ion NZ?
I would love to have raspberries in my yard but, I think my neighbors would hate be because I know they spread.
Try purple raspberries or black raspberries, they are easier to keep from spreading.
@@StefanSobkowiak Awesome! Thank you so much!
I don't think it's fair to show feed lots of animals when everyone is begging for grain fed. Some beef cows live their whole life grazing separated meadows. When you see a feed lot, it's where the grains are being supplied for the last 3 months of their lives so we can feel gratefull to eat grain fed beef stock. Please show the meadows if your gonna show the feed lot. It's not fair to the families that spend their whole lives producing our sustenance of life for which we don't produce for ourselves. How bout some gratitude for us still being alive, how bout some remorse for our own over indulgence and speculation of how we survive. Please be humans....!
I love you stefan, you are my favorite orchard, trifecta, Awsummnesses......! Been watching for years and your right. Alot of times humans get caught in thought traps and histories lessons from the elders. It's not so simple anymore. Even my grandpa couldn't wrap his head around the reverse push of a nut to extend a rim of a motorbike. To push in to pull back, just mesmerized him. Probably cuz some shithead was looking at him. Hahahahahhaahaa
Oh opinions....
The entire premise of seed programming seems to be that the plants have not evolved to actually optimize for the in-situ condition. That doesn’t sit right with me.
For in situ they have but programmed they can live in harsher conditions but will do even better than in situ. Try it.
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This is really no different than any life. If you look at children who have every single need met by their parents, when they become an adult and lose that help they don’t perform well. The bar is set so high from the beginning, usually they go backwards.
Best of the best :) after beyond organic
(About the 1 part of the video):
I think God or whatever did this with/2 me 😊
I guess that logic doesn’t work with tomatoes. Then hybrid tomatoes are better.
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Sorry, but you keep repeating yourself just to fill up the movie. It's about selling courses again
or maybe only the strongest seeds even germinated in the poor soil.
survival of the fittest isn't really a new idea, and probably part of who modern crops are so weak compared to natural plants.
Perhaps but he never indicated his seeding success was variable.