Yeah the well doesn’t matter but they explained Morrigans knowledge as coming from Flemeth because of her blood relation to her, regardless of the well and inquisitor. Wouldn’t have changed much honestly besides maybe the inquisitor knowing something or maybe the inquisitor being the mythal guide instead of Morrigan here. That would’ve been cool.
I wouldn't be suprised there would be some ritual, where Morrigan would take power of Well of Sorrows from Inquisitor after Trespasser events... It was 8 years after all.
Drinking from the well of sorrows is just inheriting the knowledge of the high priests of Mythal, it's completely separate from Morrigan inheriting Mythal.
Morrigan learns that she was never in danger of Flemeth taking over her body, in Inquisition. It was a misunderstanding. When flemeth died, she took that realization into account. Her body isn’t being used. She is her own person.
@@dylanbratton2176is this still not a complete retcon considering what we see in Origins? Flemeth literally has a set of Morrigan's robes called "possession robes" or something similar in her hut. Also, it lines up with the idea they there have been many witches of the wild and also that we don't see any of Felemeth's other daughters.
If you played inquisition, Flemeth tells morrigan that a soul is not forced upon the unwilling and that she was never in danger. That being said, morrigan realized in that moment, she was wrong
@@dylanbratton2176 Even so, Flemeth is literally an abusive mother who treated Morrigan like shit and traumatized her (she beat her up, emotionally abused her, broke her things, exposed her to sex by bringing men to her house constantly, never comforted her and laughed at her pain, constantly tormented her with stories, and much more). Morrigan absolutely hates Flemeth (in DAI at least lol), and even if she cannot take a body unwillingly, Flemeth was grooming Morrigan to accept her fate (just look at her Darwinist view of the world and how it was influenced by Flemeth in Origins, until Morrigan learns that there's more to life than Flemeth's cruelty). If Morrigan never left that hut in the Korcari Wilds her fate would've been this one, but in DAI her journey is explicitly about breaking the cycle of abuse and staying away from the ideals that her mother taught her, and Veilguard shits on it. Abusive mothers are never taken seriously in media and it's a shame.
Morrigan is the one character who has had the most growth throughout the franchise. I love this character ❤ Claudia the voice actress did an amazing job
@@user-cn4gc1ej7f Wouldnt he still be a great character though? And where is Urthemiel? He was sent through an Eluvian by Flemeth. Sorry but the game - as far as i have played it now - seems like it has not a lot of clue about the former games. Many very important questions are still open.
@@hadoken95 Hello my dear, then lets start with the questions: What happened to the organisations set up by the inquisition and the methods that where used to counter act Solas influence or spies? You could do multiple things in Inquisition, which seem to have no affect on the game but where teased as something big. What was the reason for someone to drink from Mythals well if Morrigan in the end became Mythals vessel regardless? Whats the point in having a choice here when it has no influence on Veilguard? What happened to the templar order? Its largely absent from the story and there are templars in Tevinter for example as well Where is Stroud or Hawke or Loghain or Alistair or whoever went to the Wardens in Inquisition? Where is the Hero of Ferelden and what happened with his search for a cure and the truth about the blights? Where is Hawke, if he or she survived the Fade? Why doesnt the Fade kill you anymore when it was lethal back in Inquisition and killed you almost immediately if you are not a mage? What about the rite of tranquility and its use and true background? No mention in the game, it was a big story point for all of the games before and what happened to the tranquil? What is the long term effect that was already teasered in Inquisition and decided in Origin on who becomes king in Orzammar? Want more? :)
"Regret. Because she knew she won't see me again" you MURDERED HER in DAO lmaooo She turned into a dragon and you took her book. When she mentioned regret, I first thought she meant over *her* actions. Just incredible, three games of resisting being assimilated into Mythal and now she's like 'woops, I guess there was nothing to be scared of :)'
To be fair, she misunderstood what Flemeth wanted to do. She thought Flemeth was going to take over her body and essentially kill her. She learned in Inquisiton that she was never in any danger of that. Then she learned after Flemeth died that she would keep her own memories and personality; she would just be housing a spirit.
No. It goes against her character. She values control. She values freedom. Something like that is deeply ingrained in the psyche of an individual. You don't just go whoopsie. Its an automatic reaction. You can grow as a person but you can't change something so deeply ingrained. If you could then there would be less addicts.
@@juanperezwar8748 I agree and also Morrigan's journey in DAI is explicitly about breaking the cycle of abuse and not letting her mother influence her (or her child) ever again. This is such a middle finger to those who had to deal with abusive family members, holy shit LOL.
Morrigan never fights Flemeth. She can never be in the party in DAO when you go to fight Flemeth/dragon, because she explicitly states she cannot be near at the time of death for fear of Flemeth hopping to her body. I've played the game so many times on Nightmare. Flemeth is not at her house if Morrigan is in the party when it comes time for that quest. It's part of the coding of the quest, a flag set into the programming.
Morrigan, a woman who has been terribly abused by her mother, who suffered physical and emotional abuse since she was a child at her hands, forgiving her after she appeared in a dream saying "Sorry :(" LOL. Morrigan in DAI explicitly said "I am many things. But I will NOT be the mother you were to me". Morrigan rejected that woman and her legacy (at least she did completely if the Inquisitor drank from the well, but if she drank it feels like a horror story for Morrigan honestly; being bound to your abusive mother whom you tried to escape and cut contact with, for eternity lol), she tried her best to stay away from that woman and wanted to be better than her. As someone who also has an abusive mother who I cut contact with, this feels like a slap on the face and so insulting to those who had to deal with abusive family members, jesus christ.
Morrigan similarly already rejected a "dream version" of her mother in a literal dream in Origins. If she's trapped in the Fade with you, a demon tries to appear like the Flemeth Morrigan supposedly wants her to be, and Morrigan repeatedly tells it off until it backhands her for disrespect, to which she laughs and triumphantly says that "that is more like it!"
her whole arc of accepting the responsibility of Mythal is ruined by missing a huge chunk inbetween Inquisition and this. sure, she could have changed her mind and she definitely had the time to process everything that happened, but not getting to see that transition makes this incredibly jarring yes, I can imagine Morrigan, having matured enough throughout 3 games, accepts this responsibility, but not getting to be there for the actual acceptance part of her arc and having her just show up like 'hey I fixed all my fears and trauma offscreen, I'm cool with it now, lets dump some elven god lore' is incredibly boring and quite frankly ruins Morrigan for me. what was the point of getting invested into this character's journey if ends with such a middling fizzle as this?
I can KINDA see the complaints about Morrigan and her appearance. I WILL say that she is looking older, and maybe a mote like her mother. That crown is NOT helping her case, though.
Im sad they threw her character away for this. She should have been more than an exposition piece or quest post. I feel like its so much lost potential. So was Solas.
This is what they made out of a legacy character like Morrigan? For real? The writers actually have no fucking idea about anything from the lore of DA. That is for certain. Also looks like they went the "Grey Warden is dead" ending here, were Morrigan never made the ritual? Kieran is retconned rofl. They really took the low hanging fruit there with getting rid of potential second legacy character AND one of the most beloved from Origins by literally killing them off. That by default would make Morrigan a very much distrusting person since she wouldn't understand motherhood. Ergo she would definitely not have forgiven Flemeth and taken on Mythal's memories that easily. Well anyway, I believe I will just ignore this game ever exists. There is literally nothing but marginal expansions of lore. Some of the stuff is just horrendous to know even. So, no thanks.
Regret to inform you that is not true. Morrigan is actually one of the characters they nailed. But you won’t know that unless you played the damn game.
Wait what? Didn't she run away in DA:O? Cuz it sounds like she accepted it the moment the spirit wanted to posses her. But that wasn't the case. She thought Flemeth is using her daughters to extend her life and so Morrigan ran away, hating her mother ever since. It's only in DA:I she was told the truth about Mythal and that she would have never been forced to accept the spirit
I don't know about you, but the whole game felt disconnected from the trilogy, like the case of Andromeda, they don't let you talk to any of the previous companions, nothing is known about the HoF and the CoK, I already had my doubts when Keep was not needed, but this is horrible, this feels more like a spin off instead of a main game there are only references here and there...
Peoples comments on Morrigan's appearance and the "wokeness" issues in the game cheapen the real problem that they mishandled these beloved characters and narrative as a whole. Yall just hate women and its depressing.
This. Most people do not understand how broken Veilguard is not in terms of "wokeness", graphics or design. It ruined the very essence of Dragon Age - our choices, decisions and player characters.
Wokeness isn't hating women you buffoon. I adore so many female characters yet I detest wokeness. Comments like this just prove you shallow of an understanding you have of what wokeness is.
Literally. I was thinking this when I saw Morrigan, how much they hate women and women breaking the cycles of abuse and respecting themselves. They always have to forgive and let their abusers do whatever they want LOL.
Morrigan confirmed that Flemeth (the original one) was actually Andraste. Which makes no sense in the lore because Andraste was burned alive and Flemeth wasn't, after Onsen was killed by Lord Conobar she swore revenge and ran away to the Arbori Wilds and there she found the Temple of Mythal where she absorbed the "soul" of Mythal in a desperate attempt to avenge her lover and survive lol. Even so, my theory was that Andrastianism was a tale of actual elven history (About Mythal being betrayed by Elgar'nan) which was told over the ages by elves (The first Chant of Light was written down by a bard called Justinia who heard it from ELVEN SLAVES IN TEVINTER, Tevinter aka the nation that was founded on the remains of ARLATHAN) and later it was modified by the Chantry and others to fit their own agendas. Even Mythal, like Andraste, survives being killed and "resurrects" at the end. This game doesn't even respect its own lore LOL.
@@blancat.7174 Самое страшное что эта игра не учитывает наши сохранения. Нас не было, мы пыль истории для богов. Возможно Митал и Флемет так долго были вместе что нам крайне трудно отличить их друг от друга. С нами не путешествовала в команде ни одна ни вторая. Но я верю что Инквизитора вывела из Тени именно эта женщина и её видели люди. Как и Хоука нашла в хаосе войны и отправила в Киркволл она же. И знала заранее на какой позиции будет Серый страж на поле боя при Остагаре и нужный момент подгадала. Всё это Андрасте
yea in Inquisition my elf inquisitor drank the well of sorrow seems like it doesnt matter what you do in any of the dragon age game
The Veilguard is not a sequel to any Dragon Age :(
Yeah the well doesn’t matter but they explained Morrigans knowledge as coming from Flemeth because of her blood relation to her, regardless of the well and inquisitor. Wouldn’t have changed much honestly besides maybe the inquisitor knowing something or maybe the inquisitor being the mythal guide instead of Morrigan here. That would’ve been cool.
I wouldn't be suprised there would be some ritual, where Morrigan would take power of Well of Sorrows from Inquisitor after Trespasser events... It was 8 years after all.
Mythal came to her in a dream, it wasn't be cause she drank from the well.
Drinking from the well of sorrows is just inheriting the knowledge of the high priests of Mythal, it's completely separate from Morrigan inheriting Mythal.
What was the point of Morrigan's arc of refusing to let her body be used???
Morrigan learns that she was never in danger of Flemeth taking over her body, in Inquisition. It was a misunderstanding. When flemeth died, she took that realization into account. Her body isn’t being used. She is her own person.
@@dylanbratton2176is this still not a complete retcon considering what we see in Origins? Flemeth literally has a set of Morrigan's robes called "possession robes" or something similar in her hut.
Also, it lines up with the idea they there have been many witches of the wild and also that we don't see any of Felemeth's other daughters.
@@zk116 Not in games we don't but some comic shows Yavana, Morrigans sister.
If you played inquisition, Flemeth tells morrigan that a soul is not forced upon the unwilling and that she was never in danger. That being said, morrigan realized in that moment, she was wrong
@@dylanbratton2176 Even so, Flemeth is literally an abusive mother who treated Morrigan like shit and traumatized her (she beat her up, emotionally abused her, broke her things, exposed her to sex by bringing men to her house constantly, never comforted her and laughed at her pain, constantly tormented her with stories, and much more). Morrigan absolutely hates Flemeth (in DAI at least lol), and even if she cannot take a body unwillingly, Flemeth was grooming Morrigan to accept her fate (just look at her Darwinist view of the world and how it was influenced by Flemeth in Origins, until Morrigan learns that there's more to life than Flemeth's cruelty). If Morrigan never left that hut in the Korcari Wilds her fate would've been this one, but in DAI her journey is explicitly about breaking the cycle of abuse and staying away from the ideals that her mother taught her, and Veilguard shits on it. Abusive mothers are never taken seriously in media and it's a shame.
Morrigan is the one character who has had the most growth throughout the franchise. I love this character ❤ Claudia the voice actress did an amazing job
No mention of Kieran :(
Forreal
No need for Kieran, Flemeth took the old soul from him into herself.
@@user-cn4gc1ej7f Wouldnt he still be a great character though? And where is Urthemiel? He was sent through an Eluvian by Flemeth.
Sorry but the game - as far as i have played it now - seems like it has not a lot of clue about the former games. Many very important questions are still open.
@@christianbolze2441 "Many very important questions are still open." I've yet to see any asked by the whiners.
@@hadoken95 Hello my dear, then lets start with the questions:
What happened to the organisations set up by the inquisition and the methods that where used to counter act Solas influence or spies? You could do multiple things in Inquisition, which seem to have no affect on the game but where teased as something big.
What was the reason for someone to drink from Mythals well if Morrigan in the end became Mythals vessel regardless? Whats the point in having a choice here when it has no influence on Veilguard?
What happened to the templar order? Its largely absent from the story and there are templars in Tevinter for example as well
Where is Stroud or Hawke or Loghain or Alistair or whoever went to the Wardens in Inquisition?
Where is the Hero of Ferelden and what happened with his search for a cure and the truth about the blights?
Where is Hawke, if he or she survived the Fade?
Why doesnt the Fade kill you anymore when it was lethal back in Inquisition and killed you almost immediately if you are not a mage?
What about the rite of tranquility and its use and true background? No mention in the game, it was a big story point for all of the games before and what happened to the tranquil?
What is the long term effect that was already teasered in Inquisition and decided in Origin on who becomes king in Orzammar?
Want more? :)
"Regret. Because she knew she won't see me again" you MURDERED HER in DAO lmaooo
She turned into a dragon and you took her book. When she mentioned regret, I first thought she meant over *her* actions.
Just incredible, three games of resisting being assimilated into Mythal and now she's like 'woops, I guess there was nothing to be scared of :)'
To be fair, she misunderstood what Flemeth wanted to do. She thought Flemeth was going to take over her body and essentially kill her. She learned in Inquisiton that she was never in any danger of that. Then she learned after Flemeth died that she would keep her own memories and personality; she would just be housing a spirit.
No. It goes against her character. She values control. She values freedom. Something like that is deeply ingrained in the psyche of an individual. You don't just go whoopsie. Its an automatic reaction. You can grow as a person but you can't change something so deeply ingrained. If you could then there would be less addicts.
@@juanperezwar8748 Addicts recover all the time.
@@juanperezwar8748 I agree and also Morrigan's journey in DAI is explicitly about breaking the cycle of abuse and not letting her mother influence her (or her child) ever again. This is such a middle finger to those who had to deal with abusive family members, holy shit LOL.
Morrigan never fights Flemeth. She can never be in the party in DAO when you go to fight Flemeth/dragon, because she explicitly states she cannot be near at the time of death for fear of Flemeth hopping to her body.
I've played the game so many times on Nightmare. Flemeth is not at her house if Morrigan is in the party when it comes time for that quest. It's part of the coding of the quest, a flag set into the programming.
Morrigan, a woman who has been terribly abused by her mother, who suffered physical and emotional abuse since she was a child at her hands, forgiving her after she appeared in a dream saying "Sorry :(" LOL. Morrigan in DAI explicitly said "I am many things. But I will NOT be the mother you were to me". Morrigan rejected that woman and her legacy (at least she did completely if the Inquisitor drank from the well, but if she drank it feels like a horror story for Morrigan honestly; being bound to your abusive mother whom you tried to escape and cut contact with, for eternity lol), she tried her best to stay away from that woman and wanted to be better than her. As someone who also has an abusive mother who I cut contact with, this feels like a slap on the face and so insulting to those who had to deal with abusive family members, jesus christ.
Morrigan similarly already rejected a "dream version" of her mother in a literal dream in Origins. If she's trapped in the Fade with you, a demon tries to appear like the Flemeth Morrigan supposedly wants her to be, and Morrigan repeatedly tells it off until it backhands her for disrespect, to which she laughs and triumphantly says that "that is more like it!"
her whole arc of accepting the responsibility of Mythal is ruined by missing a huge chunk inbetween Inquisition and this. sure, she could have changed her mind and she definitely had the time to process everything that happened, but not getting to see that transition makes this incredibly jarring
yes, I can imagine Morrigan, having matured enough throughout 3 games, accepts this responsibility, but not getting to be there for the actual acceptance part of her arc and having her just show up like 'hey I fixed all my fears and trauma offscreen, I'm cool with it now, lets dump some elven god lore' is incredibly boring and quite frankly ruins Morrigan for me. what was the point of getting invested into this character's journey if ends with such a middling fizzle as this?
I can KINDA see the complaints about Morrigan and her appearance. I WILL say that she is looking older, and maybe a mote like her mother. That crown is NOT helping her case, though.
At least the voice actress of Morrigan is magnificent as always. Little comfort but comfort nonetheless. .
This plot development feels so disconnected from Morrigan in inquisition. ... i hate it.
Im sad they threw her character away for this. She should have been more than an exposition piece or quest post. I feel like its so much lost potential. So was Solas.
Это прекрасный комментарий. Морриган и Солас - это нечто большее чем экспонат в музее
This is what they made out of a legacy character like Morrigan? For real? The writers actually have no fucking idea about anything from the lore of DA. That is for certain.
Also looks like they went the "Grey Warden is dead" ending here, were Morrigan never made the ritual? Kieran is retconned rofl. They really took the low hanging fruit there with getting rid of potential second legacy character AND one of the most beloved from Origins by literally killing them off. That by default would make Morrigan a very much distrusting person since she wouldn't understand motherhood. Ergo she would definitely not have forgiven Flemeth and taken on Mythal's memories that easily.
Well anyway, I believe I will just ignore this game ever exists. There is literally nothing but marginal expansions of lore. Some of the stuff is just horrendous to know even. So, no thanks.
Damn it making me want to play all games again
I recognize the voice, but the character is a stranger. Not my Dragon Age.
Morrigan is ten years older. Wisdom change everyone’s personality. She sounds more like Flemeth but more direct.
Regret to inform you that is not true. Morrigan is actually one of the characters they nailed. But you won’t know that unless you played the damn game.
@@adityasivaram6175 they want the former characters to not grow their personalities even after many years lol
@@naniwa111 It’s not an issue with the personality. This woman’s appearance only superficially resembles Morrigan. The artstyle is awful.
@@healsallwounds oh, so you’re upset because you can’t see her cleavage. lmao
Why are their hands always on the hips?
Wait what? Didn't she run away in DA:O? Cuz it sounds like she accepted it the moment the spirit wanted to posses her. But that wasn't the case. She thought Flemeth is using her daughters to extend her life and so Morrigan ran away, hating her mother ever since. It's only in DA:I she was told the truth about Mythal and that she would have never been forced to accept the spirit
The spirit came to her after DAI
@@gabrielegr8282 Yeah I call bs on that.
@barriath8841 She literally says so in the game, but ok.
Look how still they stand. Don’t people use their hands to express feelings and their words better?
Does BioWare know?
Real morrigan would not act like mythal is good mother
I don't know about you, but the whole game felt disconnected from the trilogy, like the case of Andromeda, they don't let you talk to any of the previous companions, nothing is known about the HoF and the CoK, I already had my doubts when Keep was not needed, but this is horrible, this feels more like a spin off instead of a main game there are only references here and there...
Peoples comments on Morrigan's appearance and the "wokeness" issues in the game cheapen the real problem that they mishandled these beloved characters and narrative as a whole. Yall just hate women and its depressing.
This. Most people do not understand how broken Veilguard is not in terms of "wokeness", graphics or design. It ruined the very essence of Dragon Age - our choices, decisions and player characters.
Wokeness isn't hating women you buffoon. I adore so many female characters yet I detest wokeness. Comments like this just prove you shallow of an understanding you have of what wokeness is.
@@Tito_michi Glad to hear there's at least some people who see reason. Ill have to make a head canon for myself to cope :')
@OGoblinKing
Lol you're restarted
Literally. I was thinking this when I saw Morrigan, how much they hate women and women breaking the cycles of abuse and respecting themselves. They always have to forgive and let their abusers do whatever they want LOL.
At 6:00, who is Morrigan talking about that was Mythal’s last host…? Flemeth?
Wait that bit morrigan said about the Almarri chieftan...did she just confirm Andraste was a fragment of Mythal?
The first Witch of the Wilds was the one that fell in love with an Almarri chieftan. She's talking about the Flemeth origin story.
@kjm7391 right, but there was one sentence, she said the last incarnation of Mythal was someone who had died "by those she loved"
@@Drag0nk1ngmark I have no idea on that one. That would be wild if that's what she's hinting at. Total paradigm shift for an entire religion.
Morrigan confirmed that Flemeth (the original one) was actually Andraste. Which makes no sense in the lore because Andraste was burned alive and Flemeth wasn't, after Onsen was killed by Lord Conobar she swore revenge and ran away to the Arbori Wilds and there she found the Temple of Mythal where she absorbed the "soul" of Mythal in a desperate attempt to avenge her lover and survive lol. Even so, my theory was that Andrastianism was a tale of actual elven history (About Mythal being betrayed by Elgar'nan) which was told over the ages by elves (The first Chant of Light was written down by a bard called Justinia who heard it from ELVEN SLAVES IN TEVINTER, Tevinter aka the nation that was founded on the remains of ARLATHAN) and later it was modified by the Chantry and others to fit their own agendas. Even Mythal, like Andraste, survives being killed and "resurrects" at the end. This game doesn't even respect its own lore LOL.
@@blancat.7174 Самое страшное что эта игра не учитывает наши сохранения. Нас не было, мы пыль истории для богов. Возможно Митал и Флемет так долго были вместе что нам крайне трудно отличить их друг от друга. С нами не путешествовала в команде ни одна ни вторая. Но я верю что Инквизитора вывела из Тени именно эта женщина и её видели люди. Как и Хоука нашла в хаосе войны и отправила в Киркволл она же. И знала заранее на какой позиции будет Серый страж на поле боя при Остагаре и нужный момент подгадала. Всё это Андрасте
They made our dark queen look like a dollar store marvel character
Do you get to visit the black City.
No, the Black City is full of Blight
@hinkelstein1494 then can you at least get close enough to actually see it.
@@justinmassey4815 No
Maybe in the possibility of a 5th game?
@@elissahe2377 I hope so I can't tell you how long I spend looking up at it in origins.
This was a beautiful moment, thank you for sharing.
not my morrigan. hof would fix this shit
imagine wasting the time to comment this on a video about a game you don't like...... RIP
@@LilGoblin453 you are the only one wasting time to comment nothing.
@@bladerjfailgurad fans coming to defend this crap game
@@LilGoblin453imagine wasting your time on a comment you don't like. Your logic is flawed.
literally HoF would've killed ghilana first fight then elgarfart next
I suppose I should be glad she wasn’t turned into a sassy black woman who don’t need no man.
Yet.
Ok
The wall conquers all women, even video game characters apparently.
Based
Do men not age or something?