Sadly they left all this lore behind so many things will never play out anymore. This game was a big let down with the story so many side story are dead now and there not going to be any DLC for this game I hope they fix with the next game if we get a next game.
There is something else... maybe not linked but, the wardens talk a lot of another voice in the blight... not the gods... something else... mostly on the last quest. The flowers one.
It is more likely that loghain always had those motives but the executors (likely through agents and other means) subtly encouraged him to lean into that. As joker in the dark knight says “sometimes all it takes is a little push”
@@slyfer60 he didn’t know about the letters until return to ostagar. The objective in regards to bartrand was getting that red lyrium to someone who would incite the mage Templar war. Destabilization seems to be their MO. My hypothesis is that the executors were members of other species but some sort of ritual was done to them to make them what they are. And their masters are the forgotten ones
@@lordofgingers They probably don't have a specific goal with any of these actions they only care about causing upheaval. They watch then whatever the end result they declare it to be all part of the plan. It would be hilarious.
@@slyfer60 like I said, the eventuality of it all was the neutralizing of the evanuris threat. There is one group that would be very interested in that.
This type of writing grinds my gears it feels like lazy writing 101, it detracts from Lohgains motivations in Orgins if it’s just dumb downed to “Shadow Wizard Money Gang made me do it yo”
I mean we don’t know HOW he was manipulated though. His decision to abandon the wardens was his own, but his governance of farelden is probably the result of manipulation. Which makes sense, because Loghain was never an administrator
@ravenblood1954 if you read the stolen throne, you get a massive on loghains mental state. It's not unreasonable to assume loghain became unstable as the years went on. Maric was dead. He hated orlais with a passion. And knowing thar Cailan was going to set aside Anora to marry Celene... was a betrayal in his mind. A betrayal of everything Loghain sacrificed. It would be easy for him to be manipulated... and he was. Loghain governance of Feralden was rubbish. Loghain lost himself in his own bitterness.
Let’s not speculate. Everything was so god damn vague in that end credit scene that I don’t even think that’s what they meant. I saw it more as they have been watching the events unfold in dragon age the major ones and are now getting ready to make their move
It’s so funny. I only realized there was a secret cut scene after I was going through the trophy list and it was one of two I had left. I had defeated all the dragons too and just somehow missed collecting two of the circles. As a completionist type player, I was so disappointed in myself. 😂
I feel you! I thought it did every single thing in the game, but I missed getting all three circles. Even got an achievement for exploring every nook and cranny. I think the fact they aren't tied to a side quest or anything more than a codex, only insinuating that you find more upon stumbling upon the second, is enough to give us grace! The Executors *want* to be hard to find. 😌
I had to return to Dragon Lair in Crossroads. I simply missed the place to climb to get last circle. As such I was doing mere ending 3 times. At first I thought I missed Arlathan's puzzle - which I did. I just forgot to do it, as I was running companion missions fussed that they might go away if I do mains. Then it turned out I forgot other circle. Lol.
Btw on the mysterious circles in addition to the post credit scene you get something else with them. During the game when you start hearing Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain through that tree in the cossroads they mention them. Ghil is asking elgar'nan about his dreams and she mentions dreaming about them. She honestly seemed creeped out or worried until Elgar'nan comforted her. Dude Ghilan'nain was creeped out wow
Whatever they are - they wanted to see chaos across Thedas, when meddling with the affairs of the world. There is also an ending to Tash's questiline you didnt mention - the tablet their mother was studying warns from the danger across the sea, calling it "Devouring Storm". There are also some codex entries mentioning threat across the sea and the "ancient enemies", one was written in Ancient Tevinter.
Belara also has dialogue wirh Tash after you finish their personal quests where she says Anaris said he was going to find shelter in the storm, the second convo, she says thay she searched everywhere abourt"the gathering storm" and found strange that she didn't find any mention anywhere at all, Anaris also metion he must escape "it"s eye", maybe like the "eye of a storm"?
While playing the game i also found something like that in the crossroads in island near the lighthouse Eluvian the metal tree that let you hear the gods talking in one such conversation ghilan'nain talked about Their time sleeping in the black city in Which she say she had a dream about eyes watching from beyond the sea and a storm that will devour the sky.
The final act was excellent but the ending really left a sour taste in my mouth. First, BioWare gives the middle finger to our personal world states with a coy line that goes “And we’ll always grateful to those whose stories got us this far.” It’s some gratitude of them for eliminating 15 years of my dedication to the series. Finally, we get this little bit where the Illuminati is revealed to have pulled the strings of every major event throughout the games. They’re actually trying to ruin Loghain, the best character in the entire series by saying he wasn’t responsible for his own actions. Unbelievable way to leave the franchise.
@ No, you’re thinking of the line that comes after the one I’m talking about, the one with ghost Varric in the clouds. I’m talking about the part with Morrigan.
But they're not saying that at all. They are just saying Loghain was influenced in some way. It could be as simple as making sure he sees the letter Cailan send to Celene. We know Loghain knew about them, but we don't know how, and he's not the having spies on your son in law and king type. Also I will never get the love for this character, lol.
The thing said it was whispering for them, not controlling them. It could just awake, make their feeling stronger to do what they was wanting to do and not really force them to do.
I was hoping for a full fledge Qunari's invasion at their full might since Tervinter got weakened. It makes perfect sense for the Qunari to push for invasion.
@@mattc8059I think Taash's questline with the tabled led to something deeper. The Qunari had to flee from something according to IB. What if it was the executers?
@@BBS-dl1lt Not saying they haven't, just saying this particular one felt more Hollywood. Suddenly grandmastering all adventures and character motivations on a previous unknown.
Could be finally the Forgotten Ones. We have very little information on them, and since the elven people have a penchant for misremembering history, the Forgotten ones could’ve relocated across the sea to flee or avoid the Evanuris. And this is why the elves assumed Fen’Harel sealed them away too. Maybe the “abyss” is across the sea, or a territory unfamiliar to the elves and the Evanuris encouraged that fear, and made it out to be something terrible. I’ve noticed in Veilguard the Evanuris churned out a ton of propaganda to reinforce their power over the elven people. No one knows what they lied about or if they ever told the truth at all. Either way, I instantly thought Forgotten Ones when I saw that ending.
One of the forgotten ones was in the game, during Bella's arc. I don't think only one of them was banished while all the others was roaming free somewhere else.
@@darkskysz2102 Anaris mentioned two others on Thedas…on our side of the world- that wouldn’t exclude a group that perhaps escaped the Evanuris and fled to other places. Not sure what kind of odd logic is that. The Forgotten ones aren’t a monolith. Solas was free, while the rest of the Evanuris were banished. A group of people who are harassed and hunted are never just in “one” place. They would scatter, take refuge wherever. It’s feasible that a few took off across the sea and made their own society and plotted revenge. I mean, that’s just normal fantasy writing.
And here we see a group of arrogant developers who believe they can make something superior to the people who made the franchise in the first place, all they need to do is destroy what came before. In other words; Shitting on the shoulders of giants.
It's said that the whole overarching plot of dragon age has been written already ages ago. I do wonder if everything so far being deliberat manipulations from executors was also in the story outline from gaider
So… my original comment was deleted. I have no idea why. All I did was give my impressions of the game, which weren’t all that negative. I enjoy most of the game, including the storyline, which was pretty good for the most part. My only issues were: 1: the dialog was pretty campy, and in some places, it made me cringe. 2: The Taash storyline was terrible. 3: The way a certain choice in the game locks you out of a certain romance. (I won’t say more to avoid spoilers.) And I think I will add one more thing. This one is purely a me issue, and definitely won’t apply to most people. 4: I have necrophobia. I have it BAD. I didn’t think I would have an issue because DAV is a video game and not real life… but alas. The necropolis creeps me out.
I will add to the fact that I find I think last encounter with Davrin if you give gryphons to forest to be just .. no, not good. It's like cringe joke 100%. And makes no sense present for romance at all.
According to mythal elgarnan is much better than most other monsters, and he himself states that those in his new world order (his empire) will be protected and guided by him, so i guess mythal and elgarnan is telling the truth then, what a twist, i mean, if i were to live in thedas, i'd better support elgarnan than these executors. Do you think the executors are actually the forgotten ones?
I have to admit... I'm not a fan of this... It's so cliché. But we'll see what kind of story this will be. I doubt it will be any good, but time will tell.
While playing the game i also found something like that in the crossroads the metal tree that let you hear the gods conversation in one such talk ghilan'nain talked about their time sleeping in the black city in Which she said she had a dream about eyes watching from beyond the sea and a storm that will devour the sky
I feel like this ties into Anaris’s final line, his scientific/magical notes you find, and a few other subtle mentions in additional codices. Excited to dive back in for another playthrough with my tinfoil hat on!
I don’t like when all the bad things that happen all happen around one group. It just isn’t my thing. All these events being different bad circumstances was nice. I just don’t love that it was all one group this whole time.
@@SisterTheohild Well, to be perfectly honest "I don't know" this. The only one to perfectly say this would be Matt himself, but I listened to hundreds of hours of content with his voice in it, in diffrent expressions etc.. So Let me tell you It's him ^^. I played with the thought to ask him, but I thought about it. I think it has not been revealed because he will be voicing one Executor in a future installment of Dragon Age
i think if they do another game it should not be called Dragon Age, because of (1) The series kinda lost the essence of the first games, i love this one but we must admit this is not DA; (2) Since a great event happened in veilguard and taking into account how ages are named in the world, thematically would make sense the Age of dragons to be over and a new one starting right after the end of DAV;
12:15 My initial theory was that the executors are what's left of the titans minds stranded in the fade, being able to whisper through red lyrium may enforce that Although it's BioWare so they probably have something dumber in mind.
Thanks for this video!! I'd call myself well-read on Dragon Age lore, but the Executors are something I've not taken the time to research. I recalled them in DA:I and Tevinter nights, but never focused on it. This video puts everything into clear perspective very nicely!
I don't like the implications of this ending. Like Loghain had his reasons to bitray the king. Now I have to belive that his decision was influenced by these shadowy, most likely elven people (ahh I love the elven stuff in dragon age, but after Veilguard we DON'T NEED MORE ELVEN LORE COME ON), so yeah, It seems like cheap sequelbait. Great game btw!
@@ShaqsonYT I mean right, it is not confirmed, but come on, what else could they be? They are as ancient as the first elves, they have some ties to Ghilan'nain (in Tevinter nights) and more then likely to the Forgotten ones too. I think it is valid to think that they are elves, or at least closely tied to them. Maybe they are the scaled ones we heard about, but they don't seem to look alike.
I feel like 2 things can be true. Yes logain had his own motivations for his actions, but the executors could have seen that and used it to their advantage. It makes the most sense to me given how secretive they are.
Ah I see you don’t read lore. The executors have been hinted at since inquisition and masked empire. Even earlier if you count the fact that we knew the Qunari fled their original homeland from a mysterious evil force.
Don't listen to these weirdos. It does completely undermine the previous games. I spent months perfecting my world states and canon all to have it not matter in the end because of some stupid illuminati bullshit and the stupid ending where southern Thedas is destroyed.
I know all the lore, but never once in Inquisition or The Masked Empire were the Executors hinted at as being the Illuminati. They were a shadowy organization, yes, but never implied to be manipulating everything.
OMG I missed one and was so dissapointed there was no ending scene and didn't understand what was happening with the two i had found. Thank you, Jackdaw! Looking forward to the guide to find all three.
I can kinda understand why they did this Postcredit Scene, but i just whish it hadnt been at the Expense of an otherwise FANTASTICALY handled Lore. Lohgain being Manipulated into Betrayal is a Slap in the Face to a near perfect BBG(his motives were perfectly reasonable to anyone not caught up in the BS surrounding the Cousland mess) and i personally feel like the Writers tried to shove their Political veiws into that Postcredit scene....
Thanks for this video Jackdaw! Its super helpful, especially as i didnt get this ending (i was jusy rushing by the end to finish the game so i wasnt spoilt lol) but now i will take the time to explore everything. Im not sure how i feel about this revelation yet but i will admit, seeing the artwork of Loghain, Meredith, Flemeth etc at the end filled me with joy for a moment! I just wanted more of that in the game but i guess they set expectations early on that only 3 choices would be carried over. Time for another playthrough (and im looking forward tk you picking apart more lore)!
Forgotten Ones served by Executors Sealed in the well deep underground that links to across the sea. This land is surrounded by a storm that makes it impossible to reach the place or leave. I am assuming conditions have been met to quell this storm.why the events highlighted in this ending are required to quell the storm, dunno
Setting wise that sounds like a cool theory, but we meet/fight one of the forgotten ones, Anaris, in veilguard and they seemed kinda meh, not as bad or evil as some previous lore made them out to be, and there was no mention of executors from Anaris as far as i can remember. I wonder if the evanuris worshiped something/someone before becoming "gods" themselves and since religion is sucha big thing in the series i can see bioware going that route
@@SirDIVVI Codex entries seem to suggest that Forgotten Ones turned elves into demons and binded them to fight for them. That's pretty dark. I think there was a very deliberate reason they did not reveal everything about them like they did the evanuris.
Trying not to sound like the typical boomer-type millennial, but when you watch the credit ending of Origins, when 30 Seconds To Mars plays "This is War" in the background with the original art rough drafts, that makes you feel something. The writers cared and there's obvious love and effort put into the game. Veil-guard is a letdown compared to it. It's fun in it's own ways as a fantasy game, but it did it's own fans and characters dirty.
30 seconds to mars was so jarring and out of place. honestly most of the marketing for both Origins and 2 was pretty cringey. like the marilyn manson trailer lol best credit sequence in the series is definitely the Trespasser credits where Cassandra reads excerpts from Varric’s book about the Inquisition
@ The trans/pronoun nonsense. The game design director of Dragonage Veilguard, Corinne Busche is a trans woman, and made sure to self-insert at every opportunity… from the “pulling a barve” misgendering scene, to Taash’s coming out as non-binary, to including top surgery scars in the character creator… (there’s magic… we don’t need trans stigmata). They chose to include all of this, while offering very little actual player choice in the game.
@@guardduvie every dragon age game has had queer people dumbass... even the games made by larian has queer characters... Dragon age inquisition had a trans man... his name was krem PLAY THE OLDER GAMES BEFORE MAKING SUCH CRAZY THEORIES
If we have a new game I would like to see the Executors. But I would love them to be demons or an organization like the venatori, just a group of individuals that have been doing all this for a reason (maybe wake up the titans, idk), and this reason is pass down to every new generation to keep the flame alive. I also want this lore to be it's own thing. Let the elfs alone for some time and maybe inclued a new race across the seas (Tiefling or whatever) where the Executors come from.
I'd love if they were an organization with actually a good reason for doing those things, or maybe an organization without a leader, or the reason humans came to Thedas
Hey Jack, I’m back! Beat the game, loved it! Not going to talk spoilers in comments and ruin someone’s experience but yeah I’ve been saying since DAI the executors are important and VALIDATION. 🎉🎉🎉
I thought the Veilguard already had a good closure (True ending btw)... now we have yet ANOTHER world ending threat?? What could be worse than actual Gods?
@@lordofgingers I mean we did fight a Forgotten one of sorts during Bellara's companion quest. Not sure if that's in the same league as the Elven Gods...
@@lordofgingers Well whatever they are, I don't think Solas will be involved with them anymore now that he is on the path to redemption with the inquisitor.. will see if Bioware does something about this i guess.. maybe a DLC about them i hope because i don't know how much Bioware can stretch out the game even more...
I like this Illuminati inspired, foreign scare, mysterious, conspiracy, dark, misty, true dark, cult, what lies beyond and far, what is unseen, hidden even from those that used to say were Gods It's a very complicated plot line, that could very well be worked in a bad way, but it has potential This could answer some questions
I’m guessing that the title of the next Dragon Age Game is going to be called, Dragon Age the Forgotten. Or perhaps a better title would be Dragon Age, End of an Age, and it takes place during the last years of the Dragon Age and the Chantry are already wondering what they should name the next age in the Chantry Calendar
I'm sorry that the secret ending killed a lot of my love for the series. The whole game's writing was off, and you can tell that the same people aren't writing anymore. This is obvious, but this writing doesn't feel like Dragon Age. This whole game didn't, from the writing to the actual dialogue. The potential was there, but there was too much bad around it. This ruined the series for me. The lore and the characters are everything to me. Let's call this for what it is, bad writing and not understanding Dragon Age as a whole.
"As long as the music plays - we dance." Those were Flemeth's regretful voices. Could Executor's be the Blight beings ? "Mythal speaks the Blight". Wasn't that said when you take Well of Sorrows ? Wardens talked about Blight having new voice. Bartrand insisted a voice was singing to him ever since he got Idol and even past Idol. I just don't recall Loghain talking anything about any song. However he acted like complete and utter idiot stuck in his delusions .. maybe Executors were talking him into delusions ? That would mean Executors have some serious mentat abilities. And well we did have something about how Qunari had to flee with Koslun's Qun from their homeland ... Homeland that is across the sea. My big question was why Flemeth if she was under Executors wanted desperately to save Urthamiel's soul. We still do not know where this soul is or why Flemeth or Morrigan could have wanted it. Were they collecting these souls in some capacity ? Executors speak of Blight as balancing .. and they are relieved that Evanuris are gone. Well to kill Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan the soul of their Archdemons had to return directly to them.
They just couldn't help themselves, now when they can't write anything decent, they have to lay their hands on a good wring of the previous games, happens all the time
Where did you get the Mourn Watch jacket at the beginning of the video?! I've been looking everywhere. 😭 Also, the use of the word "guided" implies that Loghain maintained his free will. Unless their word choice was terrible, they didn't undermine him as a character.
I wish it is rook, changing main character every game is getting really tiresome and it takes you out of the immersion and connection, they should end the Dragon Age with the Executors.
I think this is great. If there is another game, it's a great setup lore-wise. We can once again theory-craft and spin headcanons and scower the lore for bits of info and connections (which I personally love more than anything about this franchise - even when my predictions don't come true, I have a blast trying to solve the puzzle). If this is the last game, then it's a cool "haha Illuminati did it", almost joke-ending. Which, fair enough xD I'm HOPING there's another game though. I loved Veilguard. Of course, I have some criticism, things that could have been better - but overall? I haven't been this emotionally destroyed by an ending of a game since Nier:Automata ending E. I threw up in my mouth from crying too hard and my neighbors rang to check on me because I was so loud xD I had made peace with the fact that we weren't ever getting anything more than Trespasser, I had sorted my headcanons and let the old games rest. Veilguard feels like a loveletter to the franchise as a whole. You can really tell that they tried to give everyone something to like, and I appreciate that. A lot. I really do hope they get to take it further. As for what the Executors are... I'm gonna go buck wild and say they're "the Maker" :D Maybe we're going in an absolutely insane direction like Thedas being an experiment or a simulation, maybe the Executors are aliens, maybe this whole thing will turn into sci-fi xD (synth music in the Veilguard OST, sounds sci-fi?) Oh, and btw: that "Mythal is the big bad" video? Still applicable, imo xD One could argue that her calling Solas to take a body and then using him against his purpose set this whole chain of events in motion. Without that, the Evanuris wouldn't have severed the Titans from their dreams and they would have never amassed so much power to call themselves gods, the blight wouldn't have been created, etc. Elvhenan would have eventually fallen - like any empire ever - but not like it did in canon. (I have so many feelings and ideas about this game lol)
I'm convinced this Dragon Age 4 was written by eunuch and cowards. It's too safe no racial politics. Or companions overcoming their personal bigotry. Such as Leliana, Aveline, and Dorian Pavus.
@@karandullet380 True, but those three companions all had the general belief that elves were lesser than humans. Independently of the protagonist, over the course of the game, that attitude changed. The Lesser beings, as elves, have equal rights in personhood and dignity as themselves. And then they personally made changes within themselves in an attempt to help better their society. And this is a common belief that they held no different from the average NPC in the world. Leliana as divine recruited elves within the Chantry and the priesthood. Aveline allowed and recruited elves within the city guard. And Dorian Pavus changed from a pro-slavery stance to an anti-slavery stance. There's no growth with these companions of Dragon Age 4 to this degree in the game is lesser for it.
This post credit scene feels cheap and makes any and all player choices from previous games pointless. Hell, the player choices were already useless with only three choices from inquisition being carried over. I hope bioware doesn't touch dragon age for a long time, because its clear they need it.
@@FragLord it’s the next game in the franchise after inquisition. After a 10 year time skip. Taking place hundreds and hundreds of miles away from Ferelden and Orlais. What choices carried over from Origins to Dragon Age 2 exactly and how did it affect the story?
@@BBS-dl1lt Why you do you have to nitpick about Dragon Age 2... So 10 years and 124 years, potato, potahto right. HAHAHAHAHAHA 1) Dragon Age 2 was rushed to market. Everybody knows, even beware says so. Are you really going to use a half finished game that most people in the franchise don't like as a reason why you need to be a dumbass? :D :D They developed and shipped it in 2 years... Dragon age 2 is also considered a bad game for many reasons, lack of choices of previous games is one of them... So of all things you are proving my point, not disproving it... 2) Contrary to dragon age 2. The Veilguard has MANY characters from the previous games... Morrigan, Harding, Varric, Solas. All of their stories or the stories of others could've been relayed to us, based on our stories. That's what inquisition did right. You could choose all the different Morrigan options. With a kid, no kid, still together with the hero or the hero is dead. And each and every choice, Morrigan would talk about it. How that life was, based on your choice... Dragon age 1 best game in the franchise => Dragon age 2, rushed flop Dragon age 2 => Inquisition (overall great improvement and evolution of the game) Inquisition => veil guard (total devolution of the game) deleting core principals that made the franchise. CHOICE and tactical party play were the 2 buzz words that would describe Dragon Age in a nutshell. Both of them are gone in the veilguard. Where inquisition was an evolution and developing the franchise. Veilguard is literally and figuratively a DEvolution.
@@FragLord it’s just funny that everyone seems to like and dislike the games for different reasons. The haters online mostly dislike inquisition too and prefer origins and dragon age 2, so you saying what you just said puts you at odds with the majority of people hating on Veilguard. Plus your biggest critiques amounts to little more than you just hoping for some fanfictionesque dialogue from Morrigan about the hero of ferelden. Harding talks about the inquisition a huge amount in this game, Solas talks about the inquisitor and the inquisitor shows up. The only example you mentioned that doesn’t have fan service dialogue is Morrigan. So it’s that the main improvement you want then? Morrigan fan service? I guess it’s a fair criticism, but I just don’t see how her talking about it would improve the game. This is a separate story. Morrigan is in her 40’s now just coming to help out. I don’t really understand how her over sharing about the sordid details of her love life to someone she just met would vastly improve the game.
I hope we get some detailed info even in a novel or something that details their manipulations cos rn it feels a bit cliche and as some ppl said it can take away some of the characterisation of previous characters. That being said there’s easily a way to handle this that doesn’t do that. For example if we found out the executors were simply just subtly whispering and feeding into Loghain’s instability and insecurity while also perhaps keeping out anyone who could have possibly been a good influence on him, instead of retconning his own agency in the events of origins. Just give us more specificity but keep the influence incredibly subtle and it’ll actually make them even more terrifying imo
Let's call it what it is and not give it more credence than it deserves. This is just juvenile writing, its bad and is disrespectful to the old games. But to be fair we can say the same about a lot of things in the game. The crows being super good guys? Everything is watered down, whitewashed.
I found the first two. I missed the third one, so I didn't get the scene. I wonder what that means for my game's ending / the next game (for this playthrough). I'll make sure I'll get all three in my next playthrough.
Death. We dont know how. Maybe the blight got them when their archdemos died? SPOILERS: For the record whe know they are dead cause we wouldnt need to bind solas at the end otherwise
So far i've seen some codex in veilguard mentioning andruil, sylaise and june. The one about andruil made it seem like they're dead and said something about Ghilinain wanting to build some statue for her, but no confirmation on the other 2. The codex regarding Sylaise just kinda talks about her sphere of influence, and the one about June mentions him building arlathan and the first eluvian.
A hidden organization pulling the strings from the beginning is the biggest piece of bullshit of all the bullshit in this game. I hope whoever wrote this game never writes anything again for the rest of their life.
@@Laloslawyerthere's a bug where it can happen instead of one of intermissions where varric speaks about current events. I saw one video where the scene occurred while Varric was talking about the evanuris having to find a way to tap into the blight, so the video was this scene, but the vocals were varric's.
The implications: "We are DESPERATE to make a cliffhanger after we Rian Johnson'ed Inquisition's endgame. Let's ass-pull something from the lore and turn it into a WAY bigger thing and insist that they were just always the big bad! People will DEFINITELY buy it!"
Where the F*** is Sandal at
YOURE ASKING THE REAL QUESTIONS
Last I saw him murdering things in the crossroads in inquisition lol
Sadly they left all this lore behind so many things will never play out anymore. This game was a big let down with the story so many side story are dead now and there not going to be any DLC for this game I hope they fix with the next game if we get a next game.
There is something else... maybe not linked but, the wardens talk a lot of another voice in the blight... not the gods... something else... mostly on the last quest. The flowers one.
I don't like that they made Loghain seem as if he was manipulated. What made him interesting was his motives for doing what he did.
It is more likely that loghain always had those motives but the executors (likely through agents and other means) subtly encouraged him to lean into that. As joker in the dark knight says “sometimes all it takes is a little push”
More likely they just arranged for him to find out about Cailan's letters to Celene. Then they leaked the primeval thiag location to Bartrand.
@@slyfer60 he didn’t know about the letters until return to ostagar. The objective in regards to bartrand was getting that red lyrium to someone who would incite the mage Templar war.
Destabilization seems to be their MO. My hypothesis is that the executors were members of other species but some sort of ritual was done to them to make them what they are. And their masters are the forgotten ones
@@lordofgingers They probably don't have a specific goal with any of these actions they only care about causing upheaval. They watch then whatever the end result they declare it to be all part of the plan. It would be hilarious.
@@slyfer60 like I said, the eventuality of it all was the neutralizing of the evanuris threat. There is one group that would be very interested in that.
This type of writing grinds my gears it feels like lazy writing 101, it detracts from Lohgains motivations in Orgins if it’s just dumb downed to “Shadow Wizard Money Gang made me do it yo”
I mean we don’t know HOW he was manipulated though. His decision to abandon the wardens was his own, but his governance of farelden is probably the result of manipulation. Which makes sense, because Loghain was never an administrator
@@ravenblood1954 Yes, I agree. That makes sense to me.
@ravenblood1954 if you read the stolen throne, you get a massive on loghains mental state. It's not unreasonable to assume loghain became unstable as the years went on. Maric was dead. He hated orlais with a passion. And knowing thar Cailan was going to set aside Anora to marry Celene... was a betrayal in his mind. A betrayal of everything Loghain sacrificed.
It would be easy for him to be manipulated... and he was. Loghain governance of Feralden was rubbish. Loghain lost himself in his own bitterness.
@@nazimudin4089except he clearly didn’t, that’s how it used to be but now shadowy organization was behind everything
Let’s not speculate. Everything was so god damn vague in that end credit scene that I don’t even think that’s what they meant. I saw it more as they have been watching the events unfold in dragon age the major ones and are now getting ready to make their move
It’s so funny. I only realized there was a secret cut scene after I was going through the trophy list and it was one of two I had left. I had defeated all the dragons too and just somehow missed collecting two of the circles. As a completionist type player, I was so disappointed in myself. 😂
I feel you! I thought it did every single thing in the game, but I missed getting all three circles. Even got an achievement for exploring every nook and cranny. I think the fact they aren't tied to a side quest or anything more than a codex, only insinuating that you find more upon stumbling upon the second, is enough to give us grace!
The Executors *want* to be hard to find. 😌
Same! 😂
I had to return to Dragon Lair in Crossroads. I simply missed the place to climb to get last circle. As such I was doing mere ending 3 times. At first I thought I missed Arlathan's puzzle - which I did. I just forgot to do it, as I was running companion missions fussed that they might go away if I do mains. Then it turned out I forgot other circle. Lol.
Btw on the mysterious circles in addition to the post credit scene you get something else with them. During the game when you start hearing Elgar'nan and Ghilan'nain through that tree in the cossroads they mention them. Ghil is asking elgar'nan about his dreams and she mentions dreaming about them. She honestly seemed creeped out or worried until Elgar'nan comforted her. Dude Ghilan'nain was creeped out wow
Whatever they are - they wanted to see chaos across Thedas, when meddling with the affairs of the world. There is also an ending to Tash's questiline you didnt mention - the tablet their mother was studying warns from the danger across the sea, calling it "Devouring Storm". There are also some codex entries mentioning threat across the sea and the "ancient enemies", one was written in Ancient Tevinter.
Belara also has dialogue wirh Tash after you finish their personal quests where she says Anaris said he was going to find shelter in the storm, the second convo, she says thay she searched everywhere abourt"the gathering storm" and found strange that she didn't find any mention anywhere at all, Anaris also metion he must escape "it"s eye", maybe like the "eye of a storm"?
While playing the game i also found something like that in the crossroads in island near the lighthouse Eluvian the metal tree that let you hear the gods talking in one such conversation ghilan'nain talked about Their time sleeping in the black city in Which she say she had a dream about eyes watching from beyond the sea and a storm that will devour the sky.
The final act was excellent but the ending really left a sour taste in my mouth. First, BioWare gives the middle finger to our personal world states with a coy line that goes “And we’ll always grateful to those whose stories got us this far.” It’s some gratitude of them for eliminating 15 years of my dedication to the series. Finally, we get this little bit where the Illuminati is revealed to have pulled the strings of every major event throughout the games. They’re actually trying to ruin Loghain, the best character in the entire series by saying he wasn’t responsible for his own actions. Unbelievable way to leave the franchise.
That line you were talking about is in reference to all the characters who died and the real life developers who died during development.
@ No, you’re thinking of the line that comes after the one I’m talking about, the one with ghost Varric in the clouds. I’m talking about the part with Morrigan.
@@npc6254 oh my b
But they're not saying that at all. They are just saying Loghain was influenced in some way. It could be as simple as making sure he sees the letter Cailan send to Celene. We know Loghain knew about them, but we don't know how, and he's not the having spies on your son in law and king type.
Also I will never get the love for this character, lol.
The thing said it was whispering for them, not controlling them. It could just awake, make their feeling stronger to do what they was wanting to do and not really force them to do.
If there will be Dragon Age 5(hoping) I hope and wish that they will find different writers. Veilguard had potential, the writers butchered it.😢
LoL Is that why Loghain sold the elves into slavery? And poisoned the Lord of redcliffe? And ignored the South while it was invaded by the darkspawn?
Regardless, Loghain is still responsible for his decisions and actiom. Being manipulated doesnt take away his owm agency.
Guided doesnt mean control.
Thanks, Jackdaw. I’m hoping we don’t have to wait 10 more years for another game. I’m getting old lol.
I was hoping for a full fledge Qunari's invasion at their full might since Tervinter got weakened. It makes perfect sense for the Qunari to push for invasion.
20 year and still no qun invasion
Sten have lie
But the Qun's military had betrayed and abandoned them leaving only a few behind
@@mattc8059I think Taash's questline with the tabled led to something deeper. The Qunari had to flee from something according to IB. What if it was the executers?
Honestly wish the reward was something else, the secret ending's Hollywood sequel-baiting makes the world feel flat
They’ve been sequel baiting since dragon age 2. This is nothing new.
@@BBS-dl1lt Actually since Origins remember they hinted for Awakening and in Witch Hunt for Dragon Age 2.
@@BBS-dl1lt Not saying they haven't, just saying this particular one felt more Hollywood. Suddenly grandmastering all adventures and character motivations on a previous unknown.
This whole game makes the world feel flat and reductive
Especially given that we likely won't get another Dragon Age game again until at least 2035.
Could be finally the Forgotten Ones. We have very little information on them, and since the elven people have a penchant for misremembering history, the Forgotten ones could’ve relocated across the sea to flee or avoid the Evanuris. And this is why the elves assumed Fen’Harel sealed them away too. Maybe the “abyss” is across the sea, or a territory unfamiliar to the elves and the Evanuris encouraged that fear, and made it out to be something terrible. I’ve noticed in Veilguard the Evanuris churned out a ton of propaganda to reinforce their power over the elven people. No one knows what they lied about or if they ever told the truth at all.
Either way, I instantly thought Forgotten Ones when I saw that ending.
One of the forgotten ones was in the game, during Bella's arc. I don't think only one of them was banished while all the others was roaming free somewhere else.
@@darkskysz2102 Anaris mentioned two others on Thedas…on our side of the world- that wouldn’t exclude a group that perhaps escaped the Evanuris and fled to other places. Not sure what kind of odd logic is that. The Forgotten ones aren’t a monolith. Solas was free, while the rest of the Evanuris were banished. A group of people who are harassed and hunted are never just in “one” place. They would scatter, take refuge wherever. It’s feasible that a few took off across the sea and made their own society and plotted revenge. I mean, that’s just normal fantasy writing.
I don’t think we will get another game tho
Oh, we DEFINITELY will.
I hope it won't be the same team they took everything that was dragon age and burned it
Dragon age is one of the most popular IP no way they're going to stop
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And here we see a group of arrogant developers who believe they can make something superior to the people who made the franchise in the first place, all they need to do is destroy what came before.
In other words; Shitting on the shoulders of giants.
Dragon age 5 will probably be set at sea. You will have your own ship and crew.
It's theme will be blue.
And Isabela will be there.
More likely just set on a different continent then sea-based,
It won't be dragon age It'll be Shanty Age Under the sea. 😂
It's was Sandal along, guys.
I never trusted him...
See you in 10 years friends
No.
See you in ten years! haha
It's said that the whole overarching plot of dragon age has been written already ages ago. I do wonder if everything so far being deliberat manipulations from executors was also in the story outline from gaider
I mean the executors turned up in the Gaider led games as well, they aren't a new invention for Veilguard
So basically the Reapers are coming and shall indoctrinate Thedas by being the salvation through destruction.
1. Agents of the forgotten ones
2. Agents of the titans
So… my original comment was deleted. I have no idea why. All I did was give my impressions of the game, which weren’t all that negative. I enjoy most of the game, including the storyline, which was pretty good for the most part.
My only issues were:
1: the dialog was pretty campy, and in some places, it made me cringe.
2: The Taash storyline was terrible.
3: The way a certain choice in the game locks you out of a certain romance. (I won’t say more to avoid spoilers.)
And I think I will add one more thing. This one is purely a me issue, and definitely won’t apply to most people.
4: I have necrophobia. I have it BAD. I didn’t think I would have an issue because DAV is a video game and not real life… but alas. The necropolis creeps me out.
I will add to the fact that I find I think last encounter with Davrin if you give gryphons to forest to be just .. no, not good. It's like cringe joke 100%. And makes no sense present for romance at all.
According to mythal elgarnan is much better than most other monsters, and he himself states that those in his new world order (his empire) will be protected and guided by him, so i guess mythal and elgarnan is telling the truth then, what a twist, i mean, if i were to live in thedas, i'd better support elgarnan than these executors.
Do you think the executors are actually the forgotten ones?
I have to admit... I'm not a fan of this... It's so cliché. But we'll see what kind of story this will be. I doubt it will be any good, but time will tell.
While playing the game i also found something like that in the crossroads the metal tree that let you hear the gods conversation in one such talk ghilan'nain talked about their time sleeping in the black city in Which she said she had a dream about eyes watching from beyond the sea and a storm that will devour the sky
I feel like this ties into Anaris’s final line, his scientific/magical notes you find, and a few other subtle mentions in additional codices. Excited to dive back in for another playthrough with my tinfoil hat on!
I don’t like when all the bad things that happen all happen around one group.
It just isn’t my thing. All these events being different bad circumstances was nice. I just don’t love that it was all one group this whole time.
The Excecutors Voice is Matt Mercers, from Critical Role
Oh I only knew he voiced Manfred and the Viper.
@@SisterTheohild Well, to be perfectly honest "I don't know" this. The only one to perfectly say this would be Matt himself, but I listened to hundreds of hours of content with his voice in it, in diffrent expressions etc.. So Let me tell you It's him ^^. I played with the thought to ask him, but I thought about it. I think it has not been revealed because he will be voicing one Executor in a future installment of Dragon Age
That voice reminds me of the the hidden inquisition quest the littlest cave. Maybe it's leprechauns
They pulled a Jailer (WoW:SL) on Dragon Age with this
i think if they do another game it should not be called Dragon Age, because of
(1) The series kinda lost the essence of the first games, i love this one but we must admit this is not DA;
(2) Since a great event happened in veilguard and taking into account how ages are named in the world, thematically would make sense the Age of dragons to be over and a new one starting right after the end of DAV;
12:15 My initial theory was that the executors are what's left of the titans minds stranded in the fade, being able to whisper through red lyrium may enforce that
Although it's BioWare so they probably have something dumber in mind.
Thanks for this video!! I'd call myself well-read on Dragon Age lore, but the Executors are something I've not taken the time to research. I recalled them in DA:I and Tevinter nights, but never focused on it. This video puts everything into clear perspective very nicely!
I don't like the implications of this ending. Like Loghain had his reasons to bitray the king. Now I have to belive that his decision was influenced by these shadowy, most likely elven people (ahh I love the elven stuff in dragon age, but after Veilguard we DON'T NEED MORE ELVEN LORE COME ON), so yeah, It seems like cheap sequelbait. Great game btw!
We are not sure if they are elven though right? I believe them to be somehow meant to be eldrich
Where’d you get elves at? Not mentioned or implied anywhere. Could fully be an entirely different group responsible
@@ShaqsonYT I mean right, it is not confirmed, but come on, what else could they be? They are as ancient as the first elves, they have some ties to Ghilan'nain (in Tevinter nights) and more then likely to the Forgotten ones too. I think it is valid to think that they are elves, or at least closely tied to them.
Maybe they are the scaled ones we heard about, but they don't seem to look alike.
@@zetenyvarga7428maybe their faces are meant to be covered by scales?
I feel like 2 things can be true. Yes logain had his own motivations for his actions, but the executors could have seen that and used it to their advantage. It makes the most sense to me given how secretive they are.
As if Bioware will survive long enough for this shame of a game to get a sequel.
more forgotten ones...and Titans...one of them will be conected for sure
Honestly this is stupid it undermines all the previous games, they just pulled this out of their ass in an desperate attempt
Ah I see you don’t read lore. The executors have been hinted at since inquisition and masked empire. Even earlier if you count the fact that we knew the Qunari fled their original homeland from a mysterious evil force.
Hardly
Nah. Your brain is just small.and that’s okay
Don't listen to these weirdos. It does completely undermine the previous games. I spent months perfecting my world states and canon all to have it not matter in the end because of some stupid illuminati bullshit and the stupid ending where southern Thedas is destroyed.
I know all the lore, but never once in Inquisition or The Masked Empire were the Executors hinted at as being the Illuminati. They were a shadowy organization, yes, but never implied to be manipulating everything.
OMG I missed one and was so dissapointed there was no ending scene and didn't understand what was happening with the two i had found. Thank you, Jackdaw! Looking forward to the guide to find all three.
I can kinda understand why they did this Postcredit Scene, but i just whish it hadnt been at the Expense of an otherwise FANTASTICALY handled Lore. Lohgain being Manipulated into Betrayal is a Slap in the Face to a near perfect BBG(his motives were perfectly reasonable to anyone not caught up in the BS surrounding the Cousland mess) and i personally feel like the Writers tried to shove their Political veiws into that Postcredit scene....
totally missed this stuff in game, so, glad i was informed here! might have to go back and find the circles! another playthrough, here i come!
Thanks for this video Jackdaw! Its super helpful, especially as i didnt get this ending (i was jusy rushing by the end to finish the game so i wasnt spoilt lol) but now i will take the time to explore everything. Im not sure how i feel about this revelation yet but i will admit, seeing the artwork of Loghain, Meredith, Flemeth etc at the end filled me with joy for a moment! I just wanted more of that in the game but i guess they set expectations early on that only 3 choices would be carried over. Time for another playthrough (and im looking forward tk you picking apart more lore)!
FASCINATING stuff. Doesn't QUITE gel with me (But their teasers rarely do) but I AM SO PUMPED for the NEXT ONE!!
Forgotten Ones served by Executors
Sealed in the well deep underground that links to across the sea. This land is surrounded by a storm that makes it impossible to reach the place or leave.
I am assuming conditions have been met to quell this storm.why the events highlighted in this ending are required to quell the storm, dunno
Setting wise that sounds like a cool theory, but we meet/fight one of the forgotten ones, Anaris, in veilguard and they seemed kinda meh, not as bad or evil as some previous lore made them out to be, and there was no mention of executors from Anaris as far as i can remember. I wonder if the evanuris worshiped something/someone before becoming "gods" themselves and since religion is sucha big thing in the series i can see bioware going that route
@@SirDIVVI Codex entries seem to suggest that Forgotten Ones turned elves into demons and binded them to fight for them. That's pretty dark. I think there was a very deliberate reason they did not reveal everything about them like they did the evanuris.
This was such a cop out and the biggest slap in the face to long term fans this game is a disgrace to the dragon age name
If they do like a finaly big buddy then i hope all the heros come back. Like the warden and co
Trying not to sound like the typical boomer-type millennial, but when you watch the credit ending of Origins, when 30 Seconds To Mars plays "This is War" in the background with the original art rough drafts, that makes you feel something. The writers cared and there's obvious love and effort put into the game.
Veil-guard is a letdown compared to it. It's fun in it's own ways as a fantasy game, but it did it's own fans and characters dirty.
It did entire dragon ahe series dirty it is nor dragon age
I wholeheartedly agree and I'm probably going to be bitter about for a while.
30 seconds to mars was so jarring and out of place. honestly most of the marketing for both Origins and 2 was pretty cringey. like the marilyn manson trailer lol
best credit sequence in the series is definitely the Trespasser credits where Cassandra reads excerpts from Varric’s book about the Inquisition
Honestly we’re not getting a dragon age 5, we’re getting one last mass effect, but that’s it for BioWare they’re done as a company
Even if true doesn't mean no more dragon age. Look at baldur's gate or fallout.
...for better or ill..
@@galilea723 Might not be so bad.
What if its those lizard people we saw in those murals in dragon age inquisition?? Or maybe the forgotten ones or maybe it’s both of those things
Hope I'm first though I don't see a sequel for this game. Still loving the positivity and theories though.
Agreed… BioWare needs to end so the IP can get picked up by Larian or someone who cares about quality gaming over pushing an agenda.
Dragon age will get more sequels. By someone anyway
@@guardduvie What do you mean by pushing an agenda?
@ The trans/pronoun nonsense. The game design director of Dragonage Veilguard, Corinne Busche is a trans woman, and made sure to self-insert at every opportunity… from the “pulling a barve” misgendering scene, to Taash’s coming out as non-binary, to including top surgery scars in the character creator… (there’s magic… we don’t need trans stigmata).
They chose to include all of this, while offering very little actual player choice in the game.
@@guardduvie every dragon age game has had queer people dumbass... even the games made by larian has queer characters... Dragon age inquisition had a trans man... his name was krem
PLAY THE OLDER GAMES BEFORE MAKING SUCH CRAZY THEORIES
Maybe rook will be the narrator of the story this time😭
Yeah I’ve lost all my faith in dragon age now.. I was a fan since 2009 but veilguard killed it with retcons
This is so bad.😂
I will never understand how someone can be a fan of Dragon Age and like this tumblr-level fanfiction writing.
If we have a new game I would like to see the Executors. But I would love them to be demons or an organization like the venatori, just a group of individuals that have been doing all this for a reason (maybe wake up the titans, idk), and this reason is pass down to every new generation to keep the flame alive.
I also want this lore to be it's own thing. Let the elfs alone for some time and maybe inclued a new race across the seas (Tiefling or whatever) where the Executors come from.
I'd love if they were an organization with actually a good reason for doing those things, or maybe an organization without a leader, or the reason humans came to Thedas
Hey Jack, I’m back! Beat the game, loved it! Not going to talk spoilers in comments and ruin someone’s experience but yeah I’ve been saying since DAI the executors are important and VALIDATION. 🎉🎉🎉
Retcon, "mystery box" and poor writing.
They went full JJ Abrams hack.
I finished the game and I can't stop crying. I've been slighted.
I thought the Veilguard already had a good closure (True ending btw)... now we have yet ANOTHER world ending threat?? What could be worse than actual Gods?
The Forgotten Ones.
@@lordofgingers I mean we did fight a Forgotten one of sorts during Bellara's companion quest. Not sure if that's in the same league as the Elven Gods...
@@solaranceshiro1643 enough that Solas felt the need to seal them away in the abyss (which I suspect is a well deep underground)
@@lordofgingers Well whatever they are, I don't think Solas will be involved with them anymore now that he is on the path to redemption with the inquisitor.. will see if Bioware does something about this i guess.. maybe a DLC about them i hope because i don't know how much Bioware can stretch out the game even more...
@@solaranceshiro1643 no DLC is coming. That aside I believe that was the point of the forgotten ones. Remove all their competition then move in
I like this
Illuminati inspired, foreign scare, mysterious, conspiracy, dark, misty, true dark, cult, what lies beyond and far, what is unseen, hidden even from those that used to say were Gods
It's a very complicated plot line, that could very well be worked in a bad way, but it has potential
This could answer some questions
It's the leftover tevinter magisters that broke into the fade and brought back the first of the blight
Am I alone in wanting (if) there’s a next game, wanting par vollen?
They way it is scalling, that mysterious figure will be our next and final enemy, to wrap up the story and end it in some big boom.
I’m guessing that the title of the next Dragon Age Game is going to be called, Dragon Age the Forgotten. Or perhaps a better title would be Dragon Age, End of an Age, and it takes place during the last years of the Dragon Age and the Chantry are already wondering what they should name the next age in the Chantry Calendar
Dragon Age: Endgame, since it already has became a marvel bullshit crap
I'm sorry that the secret ending killed a lot of my love for the series. The whole game's writing was off, and you can tell that the same people aren't writing anymore. This is obvious, but this writing doesn't feel like Dragon Age. This whole game didn't, from the writing to the actual dialogue. The potential was there, but there was too much bad around it. This ruined the series for me. The lore and the characters are everything to me. Let's call this for what it is, bad writing and not understanding Dragon Age as a whole.
Come on this is just a lazy villain, basically the Illuminati controlling everything. Very creative...
"As long as the music plays - we dance." Those were Flemeth's regretful voices. Could Executor's be the Blight beings ? "Mythal speaks the Blight". Wasn't that said when you take Well of Sorrows ? Wardens talked about Blight having new voice. Bartrand insisted a voice was singing to him ever since he got Idol and even past Idol. I just don't recall Loghain talking anything about any song. However he acted like complete and utter idiot stuck in his delusions .. maybe Executors were talking him into delusions ? That would mean Executors have some serious mentat abilities.
And well we did have something about how Qunari had to flee with Koslun's Qun from their homeland ... Homeland that is across the sea.
My big question was why Flemeth if she was under Executors wanted desperately to save Urthamiel's soul. We still do not know where this soul is or why Flemeth or Morrigan could have wanted it. Were they collecting these souls in some capacity ? Executors speak of Blight as balancing .. and they are relieved that Evanuris are gone. Well to kill Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan the soul of their Archdemons had to return directly to them.
They just couldn't help themselves, now when they can't write anything decent, they have to lay their hands on a good wring of the previous games, happens all the time
Gaider wrote the Executors into the lore tho
@mattc8059 doesn't make it clever. I don't want any discount Organization XIII/illuminati shit in Dragon Age period. It's a stupid and overdone trope
@@mattc8059If he did then it’s crap.
Saw this last night and can finally watch this video :D
I would very much like to know the story behind the cheese in the artifact vault lols. it doesn't have a description like the rest of them.
They will probably give a dlc add on like trespasser was added to inquisition
For me Veilguard is not canon.
It's not and it doesn't have to be. In the next dragon age, real dragon age, they could give us back all those options.
Too bad.
Veilguard is fever dream. It was all an illusion of the mind. Next game will be the reality of the past games
Where did you get the Mourn Watch jacket at the beginning of the video?! I've been looking everywhere. 😭
Also, the use of the word "guided" implies that Loghain maintained his free will. Unless their word choice was terrible, they didn't undermine him as a character.
I wish it is rook, changing main character every game is getting really tiresome and it takes you out of the immersion and connection, they should end the Dragon Age with the Executors.
Honestly, i hope it's Rook.
I think this is great. If there is another game, it's a great setup lore-wise. We can once again theory-craft and spin headcanons and scower the lore for bits of info and connections (which I personally love more than anything about this franchise - even when my predictions don't come true, I have a blast trying to solve the puzzle). If this is the last game, then it's a cool "haha Illuminati did it", almost joke-ending. Which, fair enough xD
I'm HOPING there's another game though. I loved Veilguard. Of course, I have some criticism, things that could have been better - but overall? I haven't been this emotionally destroyed by an ending of a game since Nier:Automata ending E. I threw up in my mouth from crying too hard and my neighbors rang to check on me because I was so loud xD I had made peace with the fact that we weren't ever getting anything more than Trespasser, I had sorted my headcanons and let the old games rest. Veilguard feels like a loveletter to the franchise as a whole. You can really tell that they tried to give everyone something to like, and I appreciate that. A lot.
I really do hope they get to take it further.
As for what the Executors are... I'm gonna go buck wild and say they're "the Maker" :D
Maybe we're going in an absolutely insane direction like Thedas being an experiment or a simulation, maybe the Executors are aliens, maybe this whole thing will turn into sci-fi xD (synth music in the Veilguard OST, sounds sci-fi?)
Oh, and btw: that "Mythal is the big bad" video? Still applicable, imo xD One could argue that her calling Solas to take a body and then using him against his purpose set this whole chain of events in motion. Without that, the Evanuris wouldn't have severed the Titans from their dreams and they would have never amassed so much power to call themselves gods, the blight wouldn't have been created, etc. Elvhenan would have eventually fallen - like any empire ever - but not like it did in canon. (I have so many feelings and ideas about this game lol)
I guess we'll find out in 10 years.
I'm convinced this Dragon Age 4 was written by eunuch and cowards. It's too safe no racial politics. Or companions overcoming their personal bigotry. Such as Leliana, Aveline, and Dorian Pavus.
Or Vivian,Solas,Morrigan,Fenris
@@karandullet380 True, but those three companions all had the general belief that elves were lesser than humans. Independently of the protagonist, over the course of the game, that attitude changed. The Lesser beings, as elves, have equal rights in personhood and dignity as themselves. And then they personally made changes within themselves in an attempt to help better their society. And this is a common belief that they held no different from the average NPC in the world. Leliana as divine recruited elves within the Chantry and the priesthood. Aveline allowed and recruited elves within the city guard. And Dorian Pavus changed from a pro-slavery stance to an anti-slavery stance. There's no growth with these companions of Dragon Age 4 to this degree in the game is lesser for it.
@@karandullet380 While all of those companions Vivian, Solas, Morrigan, and Fenris are lovely their gross is forced by the protagonist.
Forget that. I got everything I wanted in this games ending. Series over
This post credit scene feels cheap and makes any and all player choices from previous games pointless. Hell, the player choices were already useless with only three choices from inquisition being carried over. I hope bioware doesn't touch dragon age for a long time, because its clear they need it.
None of my baldur’s gate 1 and 2 choices carried over either :(
@@BBS-dl1lt BDG 2 and 3 are 124 years apart... The veil guard is the literal sequel to Inquisition... Of a franchise that was build around CHOICE.
@@FragLord it’s the next game in the franchise after inquisition. After a 10 year time skip. Taking place hundreds and hundreds of miles away from Ferelden and Orlais.
What choices carried over from Origins to Dragon Age 2 exactly and how did it affect the story?
@@BBS-dl1lt Why you do you have to nitpick about Dragon Age 2...
So 10 years and 124 years, potato, potahto right. HAHAHAHAHAHA
1) Dragon Age 2 was rushed to market. Everybody knows, even beware says so. Are you really going to use a half finished game that most people in the franchise don't like as a reason why you need to be a dumbass? :D :D
They developed and shipped it in 2 years... Dragon age 2 is also considered a bad game for many reasons, lack of choices of previous games is one of them... So of all things you are proving my point, not disproving it...
2) Contrary to dragon age 2. The Veilguard has MANY characters from the previous games... Morrigan, Harding, Varric, Solas. All of their stories or the stories of others could've been relayed to us, based on our stories.
That's what inquisition did right. You could choose all the different Morrigan options. With a kid, no kid, still together with the hero or the hero is dead. And each and every choice, Morrigan would talk about it. How that life was, based on your choice...
Dragon age 1 best game in the franchise => Dragon age 2, rushed flop
Dragon age 2 => Inquisition (overall great improvement and evolution of the game)
Inquisition => veil guard (total devolution of the game) deleting core principals that made the franchise. CHOICE and tactical party play were the 2 buzz words that would describe Dragon Age in a nutshell. Both of them are gone in the veilguard.
Where inquisition was an evolution and developing the franchise. Veilguard is literally and figuratively a DEvolution.
@@FragLord it’s just funny that everyone seems to like and dislike the games for different reasons. The haters online mostly dislike inquisition too and prefer origins and dragon age 2, so you saying what you just said puts you at odds with the majority of people hating on Veilguard. Plus your biggest critiques amounts to little more than you just hoping for some fanfictionesque dialogue from Morrigan about the hero of ferelden. Harding talks about the inquisition a huge amount in this game, Solas talks about the inquisitor and the inquisitor shows up. The only example you mentioned that doesn’t have fan service dialogue is Morrigan. So it’s that the main improvement you want then? Morrigan fan service? I guess it’s a fair criticism, but I just don’t see how her talking about it would improve the game. This is a separate story. Morrigan is in her 40’s now just coming to help out. I don’t really understand how her over sharing about the sordid details of her love life to someone she just met would vastly improve the game.
I CAN FINALLY WATCH THIS!!!
I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS 😩
Where the hell was this dark and erie tone in the rest of the game? Seriously, they would have hade to make more copies.
When I tell you I completely forgot about how we didn’t get to hear anything about the Executors?? Is Vorgoth an Executor?
I hope we get some detailed info even in a novel or something that details their manipulations cos rn it feels a bit cliche and as some ppl said it can take away some of the characterisation of previous characters. That being said there’s easily a way to handle this that doesn’t do that. For example if we found out the executors were simply just subtly whispering and feeding into Loghain’s instability and insecurity while also perhaps keeping out anyone who could have possibly been a good influence on him, instead of retconning his own agency in the events of origins. Just give us more specificity but keep the influence incredibly subtle and it’ll actually make them even more terrifying imo
You won't
I can't see them doing it any other way. There is no blood magic at work here from what we can see.
I got two of these i had no idea what they were
Let's call it what it is and not give it more credence than it deserves. This is just juvenile writing, its bad and is disrespectful to the old games.
But to be fair we can say the same about a lot of things in the game. The crows being super good guys? Everything is watered down, whitewashed.
I found the first two. I missed the third one, so I didn't get the scene. I wonder what that means for my game's ending / the next game (for this playthrough). I'll make sure I'll get all three in my next playthrough.
I wonder if they are the ones who drove the Qunari south? 🤔
...indoctrination?
My first thought was the forbidden ones
I already cant wait for the next game
Oh I'm sure we all know what dragon ages greatest threat is
What haopened to the other elven gods, June and such?
Death. We dont know how. Maybe the blight got them when their archdemos died?
SPOILERS: For the record whe know they are dead cause we wouldnt need to bind solas at the end otherwise
@galilea723 feels... anticlimactic.
So far i've seen some codex in veilguard mentioning andruil, sylaise and june. The one about andruil made it seem like they're dead and said something about Ghilinain wanting to build some statue for her, but no confirmation on the other 2. The codex regarding Sylaise just kinda talks about her sphere of influence, and the one about June mentions him building arlathan and the first eluvian.
A hidden organization pulling the strings from the beginning is the biggest piece of bullshit of all the bullshit in this game. I hope whoever wrote this game never writes anything again for the rest of their life.
Not gonna lie. I thought this seen was part of the regular game. Got it like after Act 2 in my 100% attempt
You can’t get the scene until you finish the game lol, stop capping
@@Laloslawyerthere's a bug where it can happen instead of one of intermissions where varric speaks about current events. I saw one video where the scene occurred while Varric was talking about the evanuris having to find a way to tap into the blight, so the video was this scene, but the vocals were varric's.
@ oh wow that is actually a crazy bug haha, my bad then
@dantlee14 idk I just remember I did get it plus the achievement. Was confused by said scene. Ignored it because I was focused on the other story
Good lord the implications of this are HUUUUUGE
Indeed, a HUUUUUGE turd
The implications: "We are DESPERATE to make a cliffhanger after we Rian Johnson'ed Inquisition's endgame. Let's ass-pull something from the lore and turn it into a WAY bigger thing and insist that they were just always the big bad! People will DEFINITELY buy it!"
It's as if they were inspired from the jailer in world of warcraft. Aka the worst thing that ever happened to the game
Hope we get more games
Interesting theory.
Great video 👍 🥰🙂