People complain about this scene, but it is so perfect in epitomizing why the Evanuris have fallen. Because even Mythal, the best of them, is such a raging egomaniac. Being worshipped is good for noone.
I agree. Their arrogance and hubris of wanting to be gods and wanting more power and control over their own people is what lead to their fall. Even Solas fell because he thought he was always right and knew all the solutions.
She’s not though. This is a fragment of Mythal, obviously the more wrathful side of her since she is quick to temper here. There’s a codex entry after this mission where Emmerich supposes that each shard of Mythal carries different characteristics of her. So the one Flemeth had was likely wisdom/justice while this one is strength/righteous anger
@@gremlinmann340 Saying she (Mythal) is an egomaniac might be too strong a word but I still think she, along with the other Evanuris, wanting to consider themselves gods, wanting the worship, and to rule above their people is what lead to their fall. This might be a shard of Mythal but it's still an arrogant side of her that holds herself above others. Her wanting to rule over the Dawn Elves might have come from a loving place of wanting to help guide them but she still ended up considering herself a god with temples dedicated to herself and her own followers being marked with vallaslin.
'monsters like the titans' you mean the beings you stole their blood from to make your bodies, made them tranquil and caused the blight? Hmm I think you got the definition of monster wrong there Mythal
This is only a part of Mythal. Don’t know if you played the game, but Mythal’s spirit was actually fragmented. The part of her that lived in Flemeth is far more patient. And wiser given all her years living on Thedas. This one, is the spirit of the god, and has been locked away by Solas for generations without him visiting her, and forced to watch the world as the Evanuris tried to take over. She doesn’t have the patience or the wisdom due to her basically representing the worst parts of Mythal, which were separated from her fragment that lived in Flemeth, and now Morrigan. The build up and lore behind, what on the surface looks like a very simple collectible and lore quest, is actually so cool. This is a very cool culmination of that. And it obviously gives you access to the secret ending
Mythal wisdom is in Morigan, when she died Mythal broke into multiple spirits, each one representing part of her whole. I forgot which one is it, but pride and wisdom go hand to hand in DA so it could be pride. Flemeths part is wisdom.
This is a fragment of Mythal, outdated version of her, before she gained wisdom over the centuries through other vessels. Windows 95 Mythal while Morrigan as Windows 11 Mythal.
@@gromdal9293 Mythal was a spirit of benevolance/retribution. Solas was a spirit of wisdom/pride. Cole was a spirit of compassion/despair. It doesn't mean that Mythal can't be wise or that Solas can't have compassion but no, the pieces of Mythal doesn't reflect one specific spirit attribute.
9:35 it appears this is Elf specific special dialogue, because I put of speaking to Mythal until after killing Anaris but my Dwarf Rook didn't get that dialogue. I also noticed she doesn't mention Anaris to my Human Rook either in a dialogue beforehand.
So like, this isn’t bad-a lot of technical elements of narrative craft are there, they even manage a great deal of nuance to positions, arguments, history/context… so I guess it functions from a mechanical perspective, but it’s missing inspiration and artistry. Still glad to have the game & all they’ve done as opposed to not, but I wish it was a little more inspired.
"Inspiration and artistry." The goalpost is literally in another dimension now with how vague some of y'alls complaints are getting. What do you think a "great deal of nuance" is if not inspiration and artistry? Good Lord.
@@nugliferI know. It’s honestly ridiculous. They’re told it’s bad, so people just parrot that. To me, it just shows how powerful suggestions & confirmation bias is in a person’s worldview. I’ve seen people complain about the dumbest stuff to justify how the game is “bad”. There’s one here in this video of Mythal deciding to fall when she wants to fight. Another I saw someone upset that Rook wasn’t “fighting” in the ending cutscenes… like maybe that’s because you the player fight as gameplay? Just really silly & dumb things lol
@@Em-ih5du We sorta meet the real her in the good ending to the game when the two souls combine and talk Solas down. It ain't much but at least we finally see the compassion she was known for.
Wow! I just did this quest last night, and I did everything right accept the last question and it bothered me so much that I had to look it up. Of course, I beat her dragon form and got a ring but it looks like you got a sword for making the right choice? Anyways, I have to give it to to the writers. I respect that decision to say that she should have respected Solas (vs what I said, which was "I'm sorry that happened") I might go back and redo it just for that.
It’s interesting that some of these you only need one option to find you worthy. On my original playthroughs I had to get all 3 dialogue choices correct for her to do so. I did it early in game through. Be curious if killing Anaris as a human gives you the special dialogue.
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I wonder if the way you obtained her power has any effect on the ending
@ I thought that was only for the post credit. I ended up finding them by accident when I completed side quests. Didn’t know they were mandatory for the extra ending
I don’t think it does unfortunately. It should though. I think it does impact what loot you get though. I believe you get a better weapon if she finds you worthy.
No, Mythal never had an archdemon, she did have a dragon in Inquisition but it was never tied to the Blight and couldnt "sing" to the darkspawn. She's always had the ability to turn herself into a dragon though, from Origins to Veilguard and she's always red; there's even a Dalish story of Mythal turning into a great serpent to fight Andruil when she started using "weapons made of the Void" and stole her ability to find it again.
@@NPVG2 That is not how you write an ancient elven god, a great mage of power. This sounds like something a friend would say to you when you offer them some food to test from a larger selection, not a line said by an elven goddess to a hero who is trying to convince her to do something. This dialogue is just not natural and fitting to the situation it is in, it sounds weird and out of place, as if Mythal was aware she is just stuck in a game and you need to go through an entire dialogue tree.
@@Miki23Alien I'm copy pasting this comment from another person who also commented on this video hop it helps. "This is only a part of Mythal. Don’t know if you played the game, but Mythal’s spirit was actually fragmented. The part of her that lived in Flemeth is far more patient. And wiser given all her years living on Thedas. This one, is the spirit of the god, and has been locked away by Solas for generations without him visiting her, and forced to watch the world as the Evanuris tried to take over. She doesn’t have the patience or the wisdom due to her basically representing the worst parts of Mythal, which were separated from her fragment that lived in Flemeth, and now Morrigan. The build up and lore behind, what on the surface looks like a very simple collectible and lore quest, is actually so cool. This is a very cool culmination of that. And it obviously gives you access to the secret ending"
The title pretty much sums up my reaction to how they've butchered her character here... For an ancient supposed god that should be the "best and wisest", she is now portrayed here as a petulant, bratty teenager with a severe attitude problem.
Ok so now im guessing you didnt play the game. The character you're referring to is a fragment of Mythal that lived in Thedas and occupying the body of Flemeth. The god in this video is a fragment of the original mythal with her own personality and temperment. Each of the fragment have different personalities since outside factors influenced. The one trapped by Solas is angry and rude because she's been trapped in the fade for thousands of years unable to do anything but watch the world go by. Can you imagine what that would do to someone.
@@wardensurana8336 you gonna say they were "hinting it from Inquisition" I'm gonna say they changed the lore to get rid of broodmothers just because they were controversial xDD
@@1imperfect3kontra18 Broodmothers were not the cause of the blight, they were created from it. Broodmothers didnt make another appearance but they were referenced even in DAI. Nobody knew where the blight came from even in DA3 it was kinda murky, but people have speculating its been the elven gods for past 10 years since there were some hints with the elven gods and the titans (Trespasser dlc).
This is the dumbest Mythal I have ever seen... Tbf tho, this is the dumbest Dragon Age game I have ever played... And whats with that stupid leap of faith at 7:30? The distance to the ground behind her is like 3 meters at best. Does she go through the ground and then come back up through it again in her dragon form?😂 As I said, dumbest DA game ever.
I’m guessing you didn’t play the game because the way the spirit behaves here makes perfect sense in context. And she falls back and transforms into a dragon.. Are you seriously complaining about that? Really?? Has to be the most ridiculous stretch of a complaint I’ve seen so far.
How is it lacking emotion? She’s one of the Evanuris who is arrogant, angry, likely bitter seeing as her last main memory was being betrayed & murdered by her kin, and she probably is bored, as she has been stuck there for over a thousand years with someone she loves never coming to visit her. She behaves exactly as I expected. Did you play the game? It’s clearly explained that the wise fragment of Mythal was/is in Flemeth/ Morrigan which is explained in like a 10+ minute convo before you even reach this section which the player has to unlock by viewing the other 5 memories to give context beforehand.
@Allaiya. What made you so invested in my opinion? I'm a nobody. Lol Look I don't know what I'm talking about. I personally just didn't like it. I see what your saying, but I have a opinion right or wrong and it shouldn't keep you from liking what you like.
" *I killed Anaris* "
Mythal: Wow, lead with that!
Here, take all my stuff.
😂
People complain about this scene, but it is so perfect in epitomizing why the Evanuris have fallen. Because even Mythal, the best of them, is such a raging egomaniac. Being worshipped is good for noone.
I agree. Their arrogance and hubris of wanting to be gods and wanting more power and control over their own people is what lead to their fall. Even Solas fell because he thought he was always right and knew all the solutions.
She’s not though. This is a fragment of Mythal, obviously the more wrathful side of her since she is quick to temper here. There’s a codex entry after this mission where Emmerich supposes that each shard of Mythal carries different characteristics of her. So the one Flemeth had was likely wisdom/justice while this one is strength/righteous anger
@@gremlinmann340 Saying she (Mythal) is an egomaniac might be too strong a word but I still think she, along with the other Evanuris, wanting to consider themselves gods, wanting the worship, and to rule above their people is what lead to their fall.
This might be a shard of Mythal but it's still an arrogant side of her that holds herself above others. Her wanting to rule over the Dawn Elves might have come from a loving place of wanting to help guide them but she still ended up considering herself a god with temples dedicated to herself and her own followers being marked with vallaslin.
Mythal acting like Galadriel in Rings of Power
This mythal is more closer to a Demon than an actual spirit.
Correct. A demon of Retribution.
She demands so much for being such a let-down of a character herself.
Never meet your heroes.
'monsters like the titans' you mean the beings you stole their blood from to make your bodies, made them tranquil and caused the blight? Hmm I think you got the definition of monster wrong there Mythal
I find Flemeth as a host of Mythal wiser than Mythal herself 😂
another proof that the writter didnt know 💩 about dragon age lore at all
This is only a part of Mythal. Don’t know if you played the game, but Mythal’s spirit was actually fragmented. The part of her that lived in Flemeth is far more patient. And wiser given all her years living on Thedas. This one, is the spirit of the god, and has been locked away by Solas for generations without him visiting her, and forced to watch the world as the Evanuris tried to take over. She doesn’t have the patience or the wisdom due to her basically representing the worst parts of Mythal, which were separated from her fragment that lived in Flemeth, and now Morrigan. The build up and lore behind, what on the surface looks like a very simple collectible and lore quest, is actually so cool. This is a very cool culmination of that. And it obviously gives you access to the secret ending
Mythal wisdom is in Morigan, when she died Mythal broke into multiple spirits, each one representing part of her whole. I forgot which one is it, but pride and wisdom go hand to hand in DA so it could be pride. Flemeths part is wisdom.
This is a fragment of Mythal, outdated version of her, before she gained wisdom over the centuries through other vessels. Windows 95 Mythal while Morrigan as Windows 11 Mythal.
@@gromdal9293 Mythal was a spirit of benevolance/retribution. Solas was a spirit of wisdom/pride. Cole was a spirit of compassion/despair.
It doesn't mean that Mythal can't be wise or that Solas can't have compassion but no, the pieces of Mythal doesn't reflect one specific spirit attribute.
Trust/doubt/anger... sums up stages Dragon Age players went through about this game from ending of Inquisition to release of Veilguard.
@@DarkSpells87 well put old sport.
Ha...
9:35 it appears this is Elf specific special dialogue, because I put of speaking to Mythal until after killing Anaris but my Dwarf Rook didn't get that dialogue. I also noticed she doesn't mention Anaris to my Human Rook either in a dialogue beforehand.
So like, this isn’t bad-a lot of technical elements of narrative craft are there, they even manage a great deal of nuance to positions, arguments, history/context… so I guess it functions from a mechanical perspective, but it’s missing inspiration and artistry.
Still glad to have the game & all they’ve done as opposed to not, but I wish it was a little more inspired.
Yeah, I am actually enjoying the game, but the writing is just abysmal.
@@wardensurana8336 considering writing is what made DA franchise so magnificent, this is like ripping your own heart by yourself.
"Inspiration and artistry." The goalpost is literally in another dimension now with how vague some of y'alls complaints are getting. What do you think a "great deal of nuance" is if not inspiration and artistry? Good Lord.
@@nugliferI know. It’s honestly ridiculous.
They’re told it’s bad, so people just parrot that. To me, it just shows how powerful suggestions & confirmation bias is in a person’s worldview.
I’ve seen people complain about the dumbest stuff to justify how the game is “bad”. There’s one here in this video of Mythal deciding to fall when she wants to fight. Another I saw someone upset that Rook wasn’t “fighting” in the ending cutscenes… like maybe that’s because you the player fight as gameplay? Just really silly & dumb things lol
Rook: I'm trying to be like you :D
Mythal: Ugh, I hate simps! ò.o
18:30
Sigh. I miss Flemythal. This version of Mythal is a bit... rude.
i mean if you played this morrigan explains why this fragment of mythal is rude…
@@kittykedama7643 Haha I know, I know. I wish we could have met the really real Mythal somehow. I mean, the whole ass series is about her, in a sense.
@@Em-ih5du We sorta meet the real her in the good ending to the game when the two souls combine and talk Solas down. It ain't much but at least we finally see the compassion she was known for.
She's a bore! Flemeth was an asshole but at least she had flair. The Mythal in the "good" ending is even less like Flemeth.
Elves smh
Wow! I just did this quest last night, and I did everything right accept the last question and it bothered me so much that I had to look it up. Of course, I beat her dragon form and got a ring but it looks like you got a sword for making the right choice?
Anyways, I have to give it to to the writers. I respect that decision to say that she should have respected Solas (vs what I said, which was "I'm sorry that happened") I might go back and redo it just for that.
She's so...ugh.
It's just the part of her soul that was betrayed. The real Mythal wasn't like this.
How do you get the "die false god" option. I only have the other 2
are you an elf?
7:11
Correct response in my view 😂
9:35 is this choice only available as an elf, or if you just defeat Anaris?
It’s interesting that some of these you only need one option to find you worthy. On my original playthroughs I had to get all 3 dialogue choices correct for her to do so. I did it early in game through.
Be curious if killing Anaris as a human gives you the special dialogue.
I wonder if the way you obtained her power has any effect on the ending
Grants you a secret ending.
No, for secret ending, circle off the forgoten gods must be found as well. This enables you Solas redemption ending.
@ I thought that was only for the post credit. I ended up finding them by accident when I completed side quests. Didn’t know they were mandatory for the extra ending
I don’t think it does unfortunately. It should though. I think it does impact what loot you get though. I believe you get a better weapon if she finds you worthy.
13:44 i’m sorry but that’s funny to me idk why 😆
So was Flemeth dragon form is an echo of Mythal's archdemon?
The lore is so confusing at this point.
That’s what I feel like they were going for
No, Mythal never had an archdemon, she did have a dragon in Inquisition but it was never tied to the Blight and couldnt "sing" to the darkspawn.
She's always had the ability to turn herself into a dragon though, from Origins to Veilguard and she's always red; there's even a Dalish story of Mythal turning into a great serpent to fight Andruil when she started using "weapons made of the Void" and stole her ability to find it again.
"Not bad, but not enough. Let's try something else." Bro... Who wrote this...?
Who ever made the script
Bro, what exactly is wrong w that line?
@@NPVG2 That is not how you write an ancient elven god, a great mage of power. This sounds like something a friend would say to you when you offer them some food to test from a larger selection, not a line said by an elven goddess to a hero who is trying to convince her to do something. This dialogue is just not natural and fitting to the situation it is in, it sounds weird and out of place, as if Mythal was aware she is just stuck in a game and you need to go through an entire dialogue tree.
@@Miki23Alien I'm copy pasting this comment from another person who also commented on this video hop it helps.
"This is only a part of Mythal. Don’t know if you played the game, but Mythal’s spirit was actually fragmented. The part of her that lived in Flemeth is far more patient. And wiser given all her years living on Thedas. This one, is the spirit of the god, and has been locked away by Solas for generations without him visiting her, and forced to watch the world as the Evanuris tried to take over. She doesn’t have the patience or the wisdom due to her basically representing the worst parts of Mythal, which were separated from her fragment that lived in Flemeth, and now Morrigan. The build up and lore behind, what on the surface looks like a very simple collectible and lore quest, is actually so cool. This is a very cool culmination of that. And it obviously gives you access to the secret ending"
@@BySpartan So this happened to be the Twitter user part of Mythal.
😮😮😮😮😮😮
The title pretty much sums up my reaction to how they've butchered her character here...
For an ancient supposed god that should be the "best and wisest", she is now portrayed here as a petulant, bratty teenager with a severe attitude problem.
That's a fragment of her soul. Morrigan explains why she's like that, with her basically holding the arrogance Mythal once had.
Ok so now im guessing you didnt play the game. The character you're referring to is a fragment of Mythal that lived in Thedas and occupying the body of Flemeth.
The god in this video is a fragment of the original mythal with her own personality and temperment. Each of the fragment have different personalities since outside factors influenced. The one trapped by Solas is angry and rude because she's been trapped in the fade for thousands of years unable to do anything but watch the world go by. Can you imagine what that would do to someone.
It's funny that you say that, cause in DAO Morrigan asks you what you think of Flemeth and you can tell her that she's a brat.
If you actually had played the game you’d know that it’s only a fragment of her with that personality.
This is missing one option
Sooo did they completely change the lore from where the blight is coming from?
Pretty much yes.
What do you mean? We never knew where the blight truly came from?
Actually, this was hinted at since Inquisition.
@@wardensurana8336 you gonna say they were "hinting it from Inquisition" I'm gonna say they changed the lore to get rid of broodmothers just because they were controversial xDD
@@1imperfect3kontra18 probably that's what happen to the sexy desire deamon :)) also now we can't using bloog magic anymore :))
@@1imperfect3kontra18 Broodmothers were not the cause of the blight, they were created from it. Broodmothers didnt make another appearance but they were referenced even in DAI.
Nobody knew where the blight came from even in DA3 it was kinda murky, but people have speculating its been the elven gods for past 10 years since there were some hints with the elven gods and the titans (Trespasser dlc).
Taking into account what Flemeth and Solas's interaction was in Inquisition.......WTF is this?
This is the dumbest Mythal I have ever seen... Tbf tho, this is the dumbest Dragon Age game I have ever played...
And whats with that stupid leap of faith at 7:30? The distance to the ground behind her is like 3 meters at best. Does she go through the ground and then come back up through it again in her dragon form?😂
As I said, dumbest DA game ever.
I’m guessing you didn’t play the game because the way the spirit behaves here makes perfect sense in context.
And she falls back and transforms into a dragon.. Are you seriously complaining about that? Really?? Has to be the most ridiculous stretch of a complaint I’ve seen so far.
It's lacking emotion.
Where's a wise yet tormented soul who has lasted for eternity?...
I see a bored elf with glowing transparent skin.
How is it lacking emotion? She’s one of the Evanuris who is arrogant, angry, likely bitter seeing as her last main memory was being betrayed & murdered by her kin, and she probably is bored, as she has been stuck there for over a thousand years with someone she loves never coming to visit her. She behaves exactly as I expected.
Did you play the game? It’s clearly explained that the wise fragment of Mythal was/is in Flemeth/ Morrigan which is explained in like a 10+ minute convo before you even reach this section which the player has to unlock by viewing the other 5 memories to give context beforehand.
@Allaiya. What made you so invested in my opinion?
I'm a nobody. Lol
Look I don't know what I'm talking about. I personally just didn't like it.
I see what your saying, but I have a opinion right or wrong and it shouldn't keep you from liking what you like.
Why is the writing so bad
It’s not?