I am waiting Ryzen 9000, but expected pricing seems to be at 7000 release levels, so it will make sense only to few . But waiting seems contraproductive, 7500f will be probably sold out and new one won't come out soon, untill AMD collect some defective higher end chips or get demand saturated, making some 9500f just to sell something. Intel 14100f doesn't make sense and any of new ones i3 doesn't bring significant uplift over my i3-10100f. The only "cheap" 2x faster chip in single core is 7500f and its still 2x more money for 2x more performance. Not speaking about 2x more expensive DDR5. Maybe Arrow lake bring some competition. I don't worry Intel stability issues as I don't buy i7 and up for gaming only. Thx Tim 👍for info about Ryzen 9000 memory smart features incl support of 8000 speeds🙈. This variable timing is completely new to me. 🤗
These productivity ones seem more iffy than the gaming ones imo. Intel's e-cores if used, are very useful for professional work. Gaming I'd honestly just expect to be pretty close to a 7800x3D, so these are also possibly a bit inflated but likely not as bad.
Same here! Waiting for 9800x3d to replace my 9900k. Sad it doesnt get increased cache, but I'm hoping for some decent (~15%) IPC and memory speed improvements. (edit: Compared to 7800x3d, that is).
@@Wirenfeldt1990 I want to see their 10000G series chips There was shockingly little coverage of their 8000G chips, but monolithic AMD is pretty goated from what I've seen in Team Red and overclocking forums
B840 specs like only supporting PCIe3.0 stinks of intentionally misleading customers into thinking they get a midrange chipset instead of the successor of the A620. A820 would have been the appropriate name. In the face of entry level gpus not running on x16, that's a huge disadvantage for budget builds.
Yeah even the budget cards like the 4060 / 7600 that run on 8 lanes are bottlenecked on PCI-E 3.0. What a sleazy way to try and "upsell" their customers that likely are shopping in the budget range because.... well... they're on a budget.
Isn't the B for budget? Lol Personally, I won't get anything less than a X board. Budget builds are at a disadvantage by nature. Today, X670e boards are going for around $200. They'll be even lower once the X800 series boards are released. Some X670e boards have PCIe 5.0x16, quad M.2, and 2.5Gb LAN. Great for those looking for a "budget build".
@@garyb7193 I mean it's nice that you can have all the fancy I/O but for most people a Basic B Board is all that we need. I'm happy with my B650 board and it meets all my I/O, VRM and memory overclocking needs.
If the rumors about the Ring Bus is true and it is the thing that kills the i9s I don't think the 14900 or 13900 should even be on the benchmark charts at this point. Even Digital Extremes came out with their error figures and i7s seem to not be immune. They just degrade slower than the i9s intel gonna get sued, hard
Yeah, from Level1Tech's recent video even with a lower power profile the degradation still occurs. They really aren't stable even at lower performance levels.
i am waiting for 9800x3d to throw my 14900k in the trash EDIT: Just to be clear, trash here is defined as intel. I already got confirmation from them that i can get a full refund, this is locked in, they can't budge from it, the difference is they let me hang onto it for 5 months.
I think this is a good call, realistically that CPU is fine, especially if you don't have a 4090. Jump all the way to the '10800X3D', which is hopefully a drop-in, and enjoy the gains.
Wait a minute 8700k bros have had multitude of chances to upgrade you guys are just happy with your 60 FPS 1080p or 720P don't lie because if you had 1440 p you gotta turn down some settings don't be lying you can't fool me I built that system I watch my boys struggle with 1440p everyday I guess I'll just turn down Shadows and Light particles I guess I also have to turn down FAA down to 2X
@@bumperxx1 Are you asking for an explanation or???? The games I play largely depend on single core speed, so my 8700k at 5Ghz hardly trails behind the last few generations. I have a 4080 which helps a lot, but the system is not well balanced. Other games play just fine, but looking forward the latest and greatest in the coming months.
AMD has no competition in the high end space at this time, because Intel does not produce "reliable" competitive products in the same class. I hope Intel gets it's stuff together before it's too late, because we as consumers need a competitive market or we will be paying for it, literally.
Intel is more than financially fine, they still own the OEM market by a wide margin simply because Intel pays these OEMs enough to only make Intel high-end laptops. Intel needs to feel a lot more financial pain in order to get them to change their ways. They are still artificially segmenting their motherboards, they are still trying to block AMD from getting a foothold in the laptop market in an anti-competitive manner, and they are even trying to sweep the whole instability issue under the rug by not talking about it. Intel have clearly learned nothing.
@@giglioflexIt's such a pain trying to find modern Ryzen laptops. I don't want Intel ones because I know they're going to be hotter/slower. And most of the AMD ones I can find are outdated, like 5000 series
As with anything, the PC gaming community completely overblows issues. A vocal minority of people making a big stink about issues that affect VERY few systems. In the end, high end consumer make up very little of intels sales. I don't blame Nvidia for scamming gamers because in the end you're gonna buy the product anyways.
If this stuff has been going on for a while now in servers and whatnot I'm sure AMD is already aware about how bad it is as some are switching to AMD as per Level1tech's video. Now will they? possibly but I doubt it will be higher. I think it will be the same as the 7000 chips and then when intel comes out with their -whatever the fuck they call it- ultra AMD will drop prices SUPER hard to shut intel out of the market as much as possible. The 9000 chips will be on the same process node so it wont cost them any more for TSMC to make (probably less as it is an older node now). We'll see tho.
probably waiting until the recent intel issues to be certain so they can maybe charge $1000 for the 9950X after the world realizes 14th gen is degrading trash.
Seems neat, though I think at bare minimum it makes sense to just wait for X3D versions to release. I’ve got a 7800X3D which has been great, so I don’t see myself upgrading for a very long time at this rate
I don't understand why they don't lead with the X3D Models. Also the new chipsets will be a little later too, so why would you buy now? It screams a launch going nowhere as far as gamers go.
@@Emily1963ehThey are significantly more difficult to manufacture and bin. I assume that AMD wants the 3D V-cache to become the norm, but we are not there yet.
Honestly, until my 5800X3D starts holding back GPU as badly as my i7 4790K was (some games saw my GTX 1070 being bottlenecked), I am someone who will be quite happy to stay on AM4 for a very long time. More than enough bandwidth between the CPU and chipset for my storage needs (X570S), and with the performance of the CPU itself, and the fact that I am content with gaming on 75Hz screens, I'm better off spending money on improved cooling and better GPU (when prices aren't absurd).
8:40 I don't think this explanation about the memory timings is the main reason for the difference in latency AMD is talking about. There is a much more likely to be the bigger factor based in Buildzoid's (Actually Hardcare Overclocking) previous testing with DDR5-8000 speeds on AM5. In order for Zen 4 to go significantly higher than DDR5-6000, it has to significantly reduce its memory controller clock in order to maintain a fixed ratio between memory clock and memory controller clock. The reduced memory controller clock is what hurts latency which is why it isn't benifical to go over DDR5-6000 or so on AM5 even after the Bios updates rolled out allowing for 8000+ speeds on motherboards that can support it. Memory timings are measured in clock cycles so to get the actual latency in seconds, you have to devide the clock cycles by the frequency of the memory. For example you have a DDR5 6000 CL30 kit so to find the Cas latency of the memory you have to devide the 30 clock cycles by 3000 since DDR5 6000 actually runs at 3000mhz which gets 10 nano seconds. This means that a DDR5 4000 CL20 and DDR5 8000 CL40 has the same Cas Latency measured in seconds. I also don't believe that AMD isn't going to massively improve the Memory Controller speed since the IO die should be on the same or very similar process node. This means that the situation with Zen 4 is going to be pretty much identical to Zen 5. If you want more details, check out Buildzoid's video where he tests near DDR5-8000 speed memory for the first time. His channel is called Actually Hardcore Overclocking, and the video is called "Testing out new AMD AGESA 1007b: DDR5-7600 CL34 on the Asrock B650 Live Mixer". Edit: If Steve or Tim ends up reading this, please contact Buildzoid or someone of similar experience if you guys end up testing the memory frequency switching feature that was talked about in this video. He can help with testing, the explanations on how this all works, with what circumstances it would make sense for (very niche) and what hardware would be most optimal to take advantage of the feature. Based on his testing yearly a year ago with Zen 4, you need a dual CCD for the extra bandwidth of the higher frequencies to even come into play, since the Infinity fabric bandwidth going to one CCD is less than the bandwidth running significantly above DDR5-6000. And since AMD didn't mention any changes to the Infinity fabric for Zen 5, this should apply as well. My guess is that this is AMD doing this to test the feature for Zen 6 since that is rumored to have a new IO die. They could also have developed this Incase they needed to launch a 24 core 8+16c core config or a 8 core die with v-cashe and 16C core for the ultimate i9 killer. Though this could always just be the engineers messing around and coming up with something cool for super enthusiasts. Either way it is cool but probably very few people will try it let alone have the feature turned on all the time.
Cheers for the buildzoid-info -- he's pretty much THE guy when it comes to memory-overclocking on YT. Interesting notion that btw -- AMD themselves have said that there will be little difference in the actual IO-die, compared to Zen4 -- but they show higher official supported speeds in their slides here. Does that mean that they essentially just normalized the rare OC-speeds that Zen4 could achieve? So, in essence, more of the chips can reach those speeds now.
@@predabot__6778 i think its pure marketing. the IO die is identical, and i guess the infinity fabric clock will be identical aswell, which also means that you can probably just run the same zen4 memory speed without going async mode. going async mode drops the fabric clock to a lower ratio which introduces a huge latency penalty because the speed is halved. you have to have insanely high dram clockspeeds to get the infinity fabric back to its initial 1:1 speed. thats why its not worth to run memory at higher speeds that dont run in 1:1 mode with the infinity fabric clock. in theory you can already run 7000+ MT clockspeeds on zen4, but you lose performance, because you cannot run it in 1:1 mode. and this wont change with zen5, so being able to run DDR5 8000 instead of DDR5 7600 while you'd need DDR5 12000 to equalize the lower clock divider for the IF is rather pointless. amd needs more divider steps so you can always run the infinity fabric at close to max speed, but that surely would need a new IOD.
@@sgredsch the source for the "IO die is identical" is "trust me bro". The only thing we know is that the IO die uses the same process as before. AMD employees may lie but their "there is difference in the IO die" is more than "trust me bro"
Same here brother, same here. That cpu can last a long time still. Maybe even one additional generation. I don’t have anything currently that stresses it so I really expect a very long life for it
If the AM4 trend holds for AM5, you'll either be on the last generation of AM5 (meaning boards should be cheap and quality), or have another generation to upgrade to in the future. 👌
Yeah only reason to upgrade is if you are someone who doesn't feel 60fps is a great experience. I expect the vast majority of games will hit 60fps on that chip until the next console generation.
@@TheDarksideFNothing nah Im mostly playing Far Cry, Just Cause, Skyrim, sometimes Fortnite lol. getting decent fps. never measured how much but never felt any lag as such as these are all older games. sometimes I play at 4k, sometimes at 1440p. not really interested in other games as of now and dont get much time either to try them out
Thought about getting the 5700x because I already have an AM4 board. Only problem, it's from tuf-gaming and I try to do a white build if the budget doesn't absolutely prevent it. I'll probably go with a 7000 COU after the new ones drop
@@louisfriend9323 Yeah have fun waiting 2-3 years, Zen 6 is not confirmed at all for AM5, meanwhile I will exchange my 7800X3D with a 9800X3D or better, and my 4090 with a 5090 this year. Some people wait and wait, others just buy the best now and enjoy.
@@Chasm9 Not really pointless, but it would make more sense to wait. That being said, I would sooner buy a 7800X3D and a 5080 or 5090 than spend the extra money to stick with a 4090 and get a 9800X3D. I imagine the 9800X3D is going to be probably $450-480, so there's probably going to be a $150-180 to be saved if you go 7800X3D. Especially considering that you're still GPU bottlenecked in most games
@@GameBacardi Uh, yes. You basically get a 7800X3D for gaming and a 7950X for productivity. HUBs last review had it 2% slower in gaming than the 78000X3D and the number is largely driven down by Cyberpunk being a bitch about it without manual intervention, but HUB always tests default behaviour (which is the correct approach if you ask me). I cooked up a powershell script on Windows and a shell script on Linux that launches games tied to the CCD of my choosing ("gamelaunch -0 /path/to/game" ties it to the V-Cache CCD and -1 ties it to the vanilla CCD) and then edited my game shortcuts. Some older games prefer frequency over cache, so I'm effectively choosing between a 7700X and a 7800X3D for each game. The neat part is that I can start a compile job in the background on the 8 remaining cores, and because compiling is pretty lax on memory bandwidth I get close to the same AVG FPS and about 10% reduced 1% lows, which is perfectly acceptable with an XTX at 1440p.
dont think so, only the cores changed. IOD is the same. so maybe minimal improvements from the cores, but overall system latency should be in the same ballpark.
Upgrading gen-on-gen is rarely worth it. Which is why "two generations per motherboard" is completely and utterly useless. If we take AMD's claims about 16% IPC increase as gospel, and speculate that the X3D chips won't see a clock increase either, then the 9800X3D will be 16% faster than the 7800X3D. Heck let's say the new dynamic memory tuning thingie also kicks in and does a few percent, then at an absolute stretch you'd be looking at +20%. There is no way I'm reaching for my wallet for 20% more.... I have a 7950X3D and XTX at 1440p myself, and the only way AMD can make me reach for my wallet this generation is if they make a "9970X3D" with 8 Zen 5X3D cores and 16 Zen 5c cores. Getting a 15-20% gaming uplift AND a 30-40% productivity uplift would be worth it.
I get the feeling this will be only a lukewarm generation. I don't see sense of the 9000 series over the 7000 right now. B850 over B650 seems to be so negligible as well.
Still rocking a 8086k and a 1080Ti, but these Ryzen processors are getiing more and more enticing. I like how AMD are going the efficiency and not the brureforce path. I'd much rather have a little slower but hugely more efficient tech in my computer. Same goes for graphic cards.
rocking a 2700 OC @ 4Ghz since release and i'm overly happy with it, but the 9000 series might make me want to upgrade. Lookinmg forward for your B850 mothertboards comparisons as well than an eventual 9700X3D review !
People have opinions about CPU temps for reasons that are not technically sound. The Pentium 4 Prescott ran at 105C all day, every day (people called it "Preshot" and "Pentium Teacooker") and no premature failures were ever detected. The 13/14900Ks that are failing left right and center now are failing on people who run 420mm AIOs that keep them below 80C. If AMD thinks it's perfectly fine for Zen 4 to peek at 95C (and thus provide 3 years of warranty for that in the EU) then that's not a problem. My 7950X3D never goes there, even on multi hour long compile jobs, but if it did I'd be perfectly fine with it.
I get you but I am talking about ITX system here meaning it's gonna heat up everything around quite a bit. Running a Torrent or something I wouldn't care really.
My Ryzen 7840U laptop from Lenovo already does this. It only has two modes: 5600 and 6400, though. Haven't had a single system hiccup on Linux and the once-in-a-blue-moon hiccups on Windows 10 are, according to the event log, down to Windows being Windows.
@@102728 SATA's fine. Adding an NVME drive didn't help my game load time. But then again, I'm running Linux which has far better handling of just about everything.
if you are on 7000 series, use your money for a gpu upgrade not a cpu upgrade. You will get a lot more performance with that then a cpu upgrade.. we are gpu bound anyway currently. cpu tech has leaped light years ahead of gpu tech.
@@deheimer I was really hoping this year AMD would finally make a powerful 4090 ish card but it seems the new 8000 series is going to be slower then my 7900xtx which I dont get why you would even release slower cards I really wanted AMD to make a 4090 ish card but at a lower price point but it seems Nvidia just keeps pulling ahead constantly. the 4090 is 2 years old and AMD has nothing to compete. In the CPU department AMD is killing it but as for GPU they just struggle
@@edwinwelch1946 The top RDNA 4 card will apparently be slower than the 7900 XTX, but it will still be a generational improvement in terms of die size (and therefore cost). In other words it can still be competitive in the midrange if priced appropriately, think of it as an RDNA 1 type generation instead of 2 or 3. They reportedly cancelled their largest and most complex die for this gen because they decided it wouldn't be price competitive, was going to take too long and the silicon would be better used elsewhere - like in that lovely two letter buzzword that we can't get away from at the moment. But also, what are you even doing that actually requires more power than a 7900 XTX? Like that card is going to kick arse for years yet
After the recent exhaustive B650 motherboard recommendation video,& struggling trying to find some of the mid range ones in the $250-350AU range that haven't sold out, I look forward to seeing a grey beard Steve reviewing the B8xx boards all over again!! 😂(& then pouring over PCIe specs & reddit posts about buggy BIOS updates)!!😱
If you want a new build just build it whenever unless there is something new coming up really soon like less than a month soon. There will always be something around the corner so just build the pc and be happy about the performance.
Honestly the 9700X being the same in games as the 7800X3D without 3D-VCache is great news for people who want a good gaming cpu and a good productivity CPU, since the 9700X will easily crush the 7800X3D in productivity.
It took a few weeks before prices really started moving. Then those kept declining until AMD seems to have found a price point they where comfortable with. But I suspect Ryzen 7000 won't be falling in price that much anymore. *It usually goes like that with AMD:* They are getting ready to announce and then release the next generation. During that period, they start lowering prices of the current gen. Then after release they continue to do some adjustments where needed to clear inventory. It also tends to work like that for video cards. Ryzen 5000 to 7000 however had two things going on. The first was the end of the COVID scarcity and high demand. AMD seems to have found itself with a lot of surplus Zen 3 and also RDNA2 chips because of that somewhat sudden collapse in demand. They still haven't sold all RDNA2 stock seeing as you can still find RX6600 and RX6700 series video cards. For Zen 3 they started price dumping after they had maintained quite high prices for a long time. Like that, they also cleared AM4 motherboard inventory. I suspect they are still making Zen 3, mainly for server applications. The lower quality chips that don't reach server standards, get sold as Ryzen 5000. Second was that DDR5 and AM5 motherboards where really expensive in the first few months. It allowed AMD to keep its Ryzen 7000 prices high, because the total platform costs where so high, that not everybody would be interested in going to AM5. If you where, you where willing to pay the premium. Once the DDR5 and motherboard prices started dropping, AMD also dropped its CPU pricing. And then AMD seems to have carried out a strategy of volume over maximum profits. All in all, I doubt AMD will be lowering Ryzen 7000 pricing by much. They seem to have done most of that already. It could still pay off to wait for a bit, but I would not expect much. 🙂
Ryzen 5000 uses the same core complex die as Epyc 7003. As long as Epyc 7003 is in production it costs amd nothing to keep making new Ryzen 5000 cpus. Ryzen 7000 doesn't use the same core complex die as Epyc 9004. I would imagine amd has stopped ordering new Ryzen 7000 CCDs and it will go out of production relatively soon.
The claims are made regarding thermals, not instructions in at least one of the charts shown. I wonder, how much simply results from the TSMC node, as an upgraded manufacturing process.
July 31st... I get the feeling that date should mean something to me. Oh, yeah... I wonder if I can talk her into buying me a Zen5 anniversary present.
AMD also claimed they'll bring the 9700X TDP to 120W yet the slides just 2 weeks before launch states it'll have the same 65W TDP. AMD claims a lot of things...
I went AM5 and got a 7500F a couple months ago. Got a X670 MB because i wanted to overclock. I’m waiting to see what the 9800X3D has to offer, and if the rumors are true. I will gladly overclock, and curve optimize the cpu, and get the most out of it, I’ll just throw my 7500F into my itx build i have on the side.
Nice idea, that CPU it's so powerful that it has a long life before thinking to get a new one. I bought mine like 2 months ago(same model) and ufff, was the best money spent this year.
it's a 2 stage NDA which most of the tech companies are doing now. today they were allowed to release some information like launch date, some official performance data, etc.
Can't wait for real testing and benchmarking paired with a Nvidia 50xx Series card. I am also curious what number of cores will give better performance espcially on modern games.
I’m a little confused. So AMD is saying that the 9700x is the chip that just barely outperforms the 7800x3d. But the 9950x doesn’t? Shouldn’t it be even better than the 9700x? I don’t understand. Could someone please help me understand what’s going on here?
The 7700X is better than the 7950X in gaming too. It's not that surprising. The 9700X will have 8 cores in one CCD, while the 9900X will have 6 per CCD for 2 CCDs. The 9950X will have 2 eight core CCDs. Games generally typically use a max of eight cores, so the extra cores on the 9950X can actually be disadvantageous and lower performance.
all i want for christmas is a 9800x3D to make my rtx4090 happy cause this 5600x been too much of a backpack and it would be sick to stay above 500fps 1% lows in CS2. gotta upgrade this terrible samsung odyssey 32" 1440p VA panel as well.
I plan to buy PC next month, is it worth to just go for 7800X3D or wait to see how 9700X will perform and maybe buy this on B650 socket instead of 7800X3D?
@@Aggrofool I'm hoping for at least 20% to be honest and better 4 dimm support , right now the best I can get is 5600Mhz with my 7800X3D on a ROG STRIX X670E - E Gaming
B840 without even PCIe 4.0 whilst the A620 even supports it?! Is this some kind of joke? Especially with graphics cards at the lower end or even midrange not getting 16 lanes and even enough VRAM to bypass that former limitation?! Should i laugh or cry?
I'll be waiting for the 9800X3D before deciding whether I'm upgrading or not. I'm on a B550m/5700X system and my main problem right now is lack of IO, particularly USB. I would really like to build a new full ATX system and if I'm doing that I might as well get as much gaming headroom from my CPU as possible (within reasonable budget constraints). Of course this assumes the pricing is reasonable. If they jack the prices up, something that I wouldn't discount considering what's going on with team blue right now, I'll just continue to cope with the annoyance of not having enough USB. Ninety percent of my gaming happens on a Steam deck now so it's not like I'm desperate for more powerful silicon.
Literally went from my old Intel 7700k that I made like 7 years ago for a 7800X3D. I am going team red this time cause team blue isn't doing too well. They got complacent and thus started making bad products for absurd prices.
@@Troynex It really depends on your budget, if you don't care about having older generation then go with the 7800X3D while it's on sale. If money is not an option and you just want to flex, wait for the end of the month and just get the newer stuff.
I should upgrade from 5800x3d. It does look a bit anaemic next to 4090. But I hate the hassle of full platform upgrades and dealing with selling leftovers (people rarely want to buy a full set and don't want to come and pick it up). Too bad there is no official trade in/2nd hand stores where you can sell older hardware .
Thanks. Hmm if the 9700X is that much more performant that's interesting. I recall the opposite was said earlier. If we get IPC gains well that will be apparent.
@@drewnewby Thanks for your suggestion. I already have a B650 Asrock Taichi Lite waiting for a processor deal. Steve convinced me with his recommendation of that board.
If you understand the architecture, you understand the first party benchmarks and the selection of these. Not a fan of the usb 4.0, I would rather have some PCIE-Lanes to plug in an affordable 25G NIC, but that seems nearly impossible for AM5 ...
Yeah, but on Zen 4 launch day the 5800X3D was about on par with the 7700X. It took a few new games in the benchmark suite, that were more memory bandwidth limited than compute limited, for the 7600X to "climb up there". If the 9600X already goes toe-to-toe with the 7800X3D then, in gaming, the IPC uplift is more than 16%, as the 7800X3D is about 16-18% faster than the 7700X but at ~5% lower clocks.
4:11 or they could be highlighting the improvements of the architecture since zen 4 had great multi-core, but lost to intel on single threaded performance
Well here's prices from store from my country 9600X-309,90€, 9700X-399,90€, 9900x-490,90€, 9950X-659,90€ If this help. Yes just count minus 22% then you should get roughly prices in $. It will not be 100% but roughly.
With these issues that enterprise customers are experiencing with intel, and some moving to 7950x, I wonder if the rumors the 9950x3D could be dual 3D-V cache and will be a drop in replacement for anyone who made the jump to am5 already, will push all of them to switch sooner rather than later.
I can't for the life of me figure out why people want a dual V-Cache CCD config. I have a 7950X3D myself, and it is CCD cross talk that tanks gaming performance. If I tie a game to 4 cores on the V-Cache CCD and 4 cores on the vanilla CCD performance hits rock bottom. If I tie the game to either CCD alone the performance is either 7700X-like or 7800X3D-like.
4:44 The chart did say 65W 9700x, AMD maybe cited the 120w tdp or PBO performance due to lackluster result compared to 7800x3d. 65w is just too low anyway for x model skus. So imo 65w tdp is 12% better than 5800x3d and 120w tdp/ PBO turned on is 2% better than 7800x3d. AMD and their last minute changes lol.
I run a 7600X, it works quite well. I got the feeling it underperforms compared to my GPU, so I'll see if these CPUs are going to be a good enough offer to upgrade already or wait for the next gen. Or, if intel actually makes a good batch of CPUs in their next gen, maybe I'll run a blue one. But that'll be hard given I'd need to buy one of their mobos.
Sounds like "B840" should have been called "A820" but by using a larger number they can charge more
Absolutely. Very deceptive and garbage
B840 is literally B650 with overclocking disabled. It's useless.
@@manoftherainshorts9075 nobody overclocks anymore.
@@TheDaswilhelm 1) not true 2) undervolting via Curve Optimizer, PBO2 and Curve Shaper is still popular, those are disabled there.
I am waiting Ryzen 9000, but expected pricing seems to be at 7000 release levels, so it will make sense only to few .
But waiting seems contraproductive, 7500f will be probably sold out and new one won't come out soon, untill AMD collect some defective higher end chips or get demand saturated, making some 9500f just to sell something.
Intel 14100f doesn't make sense and any of new ones i3 doesn't bring significant uplift over my i3-10100f.
The only "cheap" 2x faster chip in single core is 7500f and its still 2x more money for 2x more performance. Not speaking about 2x more expensive DDR5.
Maybe Arrow lake bring some competition.
I don't worry Intel stability issues as I don't buy i7 and up for gaming only.
Thx Tim 👍for info about Ryzen 9000 memory smart features incl support of 8000 speeds🙈. This variable timing is completely new to me. 🤗
July 2019 we had Ryzen 3000 series..what a time that was
2017 man, that was THE moment. Got myself a 1800X immediately and was blown away by its performance on audio production.
@@SaccoBelmonte 1800X was litterally crap because of GloFo making the chip. Ryzen first became good with the move to TSMC and 3000 series.
Got the 3600 in 2020.
Questionable deal with the situation back then, but it's great for budget builds by now
R5 3600 here, still going strong :D
i still got 3900x
First party benchmarks are advertising, I take them about as serious as laundry detergent's "even whiter!"...
To be honest, half of 3rd party ones are too upon release....
These productivity ones seem more iffy than the gaming ones imo. Intel's e-cores if used, are very useful for professional work. Gaming I'd honestly just expect to be pretty close to a 7800x3D, so these are also possibly a bit inflated but likely not as bad.
Believing in benchmark from AMD is the same as believing in Santa 😂
hasnt amd been caught lying repeatedly lately? Im planning on a X3D purchase sometime here but any claims they make about it will be ignored
@@willywonka6487 No, that was Nvidia.
Can't wait to retire my old 9900K for a 9800X3D or 7800X3D depending on performance stats..
Same here!
Waiting for 9800x3d to replace my 9900k. Sad it doesnt get increased cache, but I'm hoping for some decent (~15%) IPC and memory speed improvements. (edit: Compared to 7800x3d, that is).
The same 💯
@@Wirenfeldt1990 I want to see their 10000G series chips
There was shockingly little coverage of their 8000G chips, but monolithic AMD is pretty goated from what I've seen in Team Red and overclocking forums
I just retired my 9700k for a 7800x3d. Well worth it.
Replace 9900K with 9900X3D just for lolz
4:20 did i just see... Cinematic peanuts?
😂
They got me too :D
B840 specs like only supporting PCIe3.0 stinks of intentionally misleading customers into thinking they get a midrange chipset instead of the successor of the A620. A820 would have been the appropriate name.
In the face of entry level gpus not running on x16, that's a huge disadvantage for budget builds.
i think they just rename A820 to B840, though that pcie 3.0 kinda sad
while i agree, it's also possible they couldn't register the A820 branding
Yeah even the budget cards like the 4060 / 7600 that run on 8 lanes are bottlenecked on PCI-E 3.0. What a sleazy way to try and "upsell" their customers that likely are shopping in the budget range because.... well... they're on a budget.
Isn't the B for budget? Lol
Personally, I won't get anything less than a X board. Budget builds are at a disadvantage by nature. Today, X670e boards are going for around $200. They'll be even lower once the X800 series boards are released. Some X670e boards have PCIe 5.0x16, quad M.2, and 2.5Gb LAN. Great for those looking for a "budget build".
@@garyb7193 I mean it's nice that you can have all the fancy I/O but for most people a Basic B Board is all that we need. I'm happy with my B650 board and it meets all my I/O, VRM and memory overclocking needs.
I am intrigued about the new CPUs running cooler. That 65w TDP would be very advantageous for those of us with SFF PCs!
If the rumors about the Ring Bus is true and it is the thing that kills the i9s I don't think the 14900 or 13900 should even be on the benchmark charts at this point. Even Digital Extremes came out with their error figures and i7s seem to not be immune. They just degrade slower than the i9s
intel gonna get sued, hard
Yeah, from Level1Tech's recent video even with a lower power profile the degradation still occurs. They really aren't stable even at lower performance levels.
Yea guess what, I own a 13900k. That's a lie
@@HyperionZerochecking your previous comments, you own both a 13900k and a 4060ti.
Seems like you love making bad financial decisions
@@HyperionZerodegradation still occurs regardless of if you believe it's stable or not. Over time you lose performance due to silicon degradation
Can you provide more info about this Intel / ring bus issue ? (eg: a link an article). I google it quickly and couldn't find anything.
i am waiting for 9800x3d to throw my 14900k in the trash
EDIT: Just to be clear, trash here is defined as intel. I already got confirmation from them that i can get a full refund, this is locked in, they can't budge from it, the difference is they let me hang onto it for 5 months.
in before million likes, i was here!
Why did you even build with a 14900K to me it just feels so wasteful I just wanted to know your perspective on it
I wonder if it'll be worth going from 5800x3d to the 9000x3d
For what? 7800x3d bites your 14900k in most of games
Seen people on FB market selling their 14900k's and 13900k's :D
I'll probably be skipping this gen since my 7600 works pretty well, but I'm super curious to see how this goes down.
Same here but with a 7600x.
Zen 6 would be the upgrade for me as well, but x3D chip one.
I think this is a good call, realistically that CPU is fine, especially if you don't have a 4090. Jump all the way to the '10800X3D', which is hopefully a drop-in, and enjoy the gains.
Me too, my r5 3600 is still playing s.t.o.
Same. Just here chillin with my 7700 non-X.
Gonna be a good upgrade from my 8700k!
Let’s go 8700k mains!
8700K user here too, I would wait for the X3D chips
@@Emily1963eh That’s the plan!
Wait a minute 8700k bros have had multitude of chances to upgrade you guys are just happy with your 60 FPS 1080p or 720P don't lie because if you had 1440 p you gotta turn down some settings don't be lying you can't fool me I built that system I watch my boys struggle with 1440p everyday I guess I'll just turn down Shadows and Light particles I guess I also have to turn down FAA down to 2X
@@bumperxx1 Are you asking for an explanation or???? The games I play largely depend on single core speed, so my 8700k at 5Ghz hardly trails behind the last few generations. I have a 4080 which helps a lot, but the system is not well balanced. Other games play just fine, but looking forward the latest and greatest in the coming months.
AMD has no competition in the high end space at this time, because Intel does not produce "reliable" competitive products in the same class. I hope Intel gets it's stuff together before it's too late, because we as consumers need a competitive market or we will be paying for it, literally.
agree
Intel is more than financially fine, they still own the OEM market by a wide margin simply because Intel pays these OEMs enough to only make Intel high-end laptops.
Intel needs to feel a lot more financial pain in order to get them to change their ways. They are still artificially segmenting their motherboards, they are still trying to block AMD from getting a foothold in the laptop market in an anti-competitive manner, and they are even trying to sweep the whole instability issue under the rug by not talking about it.
Intel have clearly learned nothing.
@@giglioflexthey’re definitely feeling it in the data center market though. EYPC + custom Arm chips has to got to hurt
@@giglioflexIt's such a pain trying to find modern Ryzen laptops. I don't want Intel ones because I know they're going to be hotter/slower. And most of the AMD ones I can find are outdated, like 5000 series
As with anything, the PC gaming community completely overblows issues. A vocal minority of people making a big stink about issues that affect VERY few systems. In the end, high end consumer make up very little of intels sales.
I don't blame Nvidia for scamming gamers because in the end you're gonna buy the product anyways.
LMAO the master chief on 1:46 goes hard!
Due to the current issues coming out about Intel CPUs AMD will probably charge a premium for their new CPUs.
Unlikely, since mainstream consumers don't know about it. All they know is Intel Inside.
If this stuff has been going on for a while now in servers and whatnot I'm sure AMD is already aware about how bad it is as some are switching to AMD as per Level1tech's video.
Now will they? possibly but I doubt it will be higher. I think it will be the same as the 7000 chips and then when intel comes out with their -whatever the fuck they call it- ultra AMD will drop prices SUPER hard to shut intel out of the market as much as possible. The 9000 chips will be on the same process node so it wont cost them any more for TSMC to make (probably less as it is an older node now).
We'll see tho.
@@Aggrofool It has already happened, 7800x3d were going for about $325 a month ago, then the news hit and they jumped up $75-100 to over $400
@@Dempig prices are dictated by demand
Bizarre that they haven't put pricing out yet.
not at all
They are waiting if intels 13 and 14 gen wil fall off the cliff because of failures and degradation.
probably waiting until the recent intel issues to be certain so they can maybe charge $1000 for the 9950X after the world realizes 14th gen is degrading trash.
cuz 9950X $999
No it isn't
Seems neat, though I think at bare minimum it makes sense to just wait for X3D versions to release. I’ve got a 7800X3D which has been great, so I don’t see myself upgrading for a very long time at this rate
I don't understand why they don't lead with the X3D Models. Also the new chipsets will be a little later too, so why would you buy now? It screams a launch going nowhere as far as gamers go.
I want to Build a new pc. Should I wait for new ryzen 9700X or is a ryzen 7800X3D on sale a better deal? Thank!
@@Emily1963ehThey are significantly more difficult to manufacture and bin. I assume that AMD wants the 3D V-cache to become the norm, but we are not there yet.
I'm thinking the same but also not sure about the price on 9700x, the ryzen 7 7800x3d is $576 in Australia @@Troynex
My 5800 x3d is working just fine. I’ll probably go to whatever is on AM6 when my AM4 system finally dies. Till then, good enough.
Oof
I’m thinking the same. Just going to skip AM5 at this stage.
Same, my 5800x is still slaying since 2020...
Honestly, until my 5800X3D starts holding back GPU as badly as my i7 4790K was (some games saw my GTX 1070 being bottlenecked), I am someone who will be quite happy to stay on AM4 for a very long time.
More than enough bandwidth between the CPU and chipset for my storage needs (X570S), and with the performance of the CPU itself, and the fact that I am content with gaming on 75Hz screens, I'm better off spending money on improved cooling and better GPU (when prices aren't absurd).
8:40 I don't think this explanation about the memory timings is the main reason for the difference in latency AMD is talking about. There is a much more likely to be the bigger factor based in Buildzoid's (Actually Hardcare Overclocking) previous testing with DDR5-8000 speeds on AM5.
In order for Zen 4 to go significantly higher than DDR5-6000, it has to significantly reduce its memory controller clock in order to maintain a fixed ratio between memory clock and memory controller clock. The reduced memory controller clock is what hurts latency which is why it isn't benifical to go over DDR5-6000 or so on AM5 even after the Bios updates rolled out allowing for 8000+ speeds on motherboards that can support it.
Memory timings are measured in clock cycles so to get the actual latency in seconds, you have to devide the clock cycles by the frequency of the memory. For example you have a DDR5 6000 CL30 kit so to find the Cas latency of the memory you have to devide the 30 clock cycles by 3000 since DDR5 6000 actually runs at 3000mhz which gets 10 nano seconds.
This means that a DDR5 4000 CL20 and DDR5 8000 CL40 has the same Cas Latency measured in seconds.
I also don't believe that AMD isn't going to massively improve the Memory Controller speed since the IO die should be on the same or very similar process node. This means that the situation with Zen 4 is going to be pretty much identical to Zen 5.
If you want more details, check out Buildzoid's video where he tests near DDR5-8000 speed memory for the first time. His channel is called Actually Hardcore Overclocking, and the video is called "Testing out new AMD AGESA 1007b: DDR5-7600 CL34 on the Asrock B650 Live Mixer".
Edit: If Steve or Tim ends up reading this, please contact Buildzoid or someone of similar experience if you guys end up testing the memory frequency switching feature that was talked about in this video. He can help with testing, the explanations on how this all works, with what circumstances it would make sense for (very niche) and what hardware would be most optimal to take advantage of the feature.
Based on his testing yearly a year ago with Zen 4, you need a dual CCD for the extra bandwidth of the higher frequencies to even come into play, since the Infinity fabric bandwidth going to one CCD is less than the bandwidth running significantly above DDR5-6000. And since AMD didn't mention any changes to the Infinity fabric for Zen 5, this should apply as well.
My guess is that this is AMD doing this to test the feature for Zen 6 since that is rumored to have a new IO die. They could also have developed this Incase they needed to launch a 24 core 8+16c core config or a 8 core die with v-cashe and 16C core for the ultimate i9 killer. Though this could always just be the engineers messing around and coming up with something cool for super enthusiasts. Either way it is cool but probably very few people will try it let alone have the feature turned on all the time.
Cheers for the buildzoid-info -- he's pretty much THE guy when it comes to memory-overclocking on YT. Interesting notion that btw -- AMD themselves have said that there will be little difference in the actual IO-die, compared to Zen4 -- but they show higher official supported speeds in their slides here. Does that mean that they essentially just normalized the rare OC-speeds that Zen4 could achieve? So, in essence, more of the chips can reach those speeds now.
@@predabot__6778 i think its pure marketing. the IO die is identical, and i guess the infinity fabric clock will be identical aswell, which also means that you can probably just run the same zen4 memory speed without going async mode. going async mode drops the fabric clock to a lower ratio which introduces a huge latency penalty because the speed is halved. you have to have insanely high dram clockspeeds to get the infinity fabric back to its initial 1:1 speed. thats why its not worth to run memory at higher speeds that dont run in 1:1 mode with the infinity fabric clock.
in theory you can already run 7000+ MT clockspeeds on zen4, but you lose performance, because you cannot run it in 1:1 mode. and this wont change with zen5, so being able to run DDR5 8000 instead of DDR5 7600 while you'd need DDR5 12000 to equalize the lower clock divider for the IF is rather pointless. amd needs more divider steps so you can always run the infinity fabric at close to max speed, but that surely would need a new IOD.
@@sgredsch the source for the "IO die is identical" is "trust me bro". The only thing we know is that the IO die uses the same process as before. AMD employees may lie but their "there is difference in the IO die" is more than "trust me bro"
@@marsovac amd also claimed that the 5800xt is faster than a 13600k.
If this gen gives me more ammo to fight late game stellaris over the 7800x3d, I might consider 😅
Late game stellaris is a CPU benchmark all in itself.
Still using my athlon x2 from 2007
I've been doing a job at work recently try to get the Sandybridge pentiums with 4GB ram upgraded lol!
Well...until 2025 including a new GPU.
If Zen 5 disappoints, wait for Zen 6 X3D and RDNA5
@@AgentSmith911 Zen 5 3D would be more than good enough for 60 FPS minimum in this generation.
RDNA 5 sounds compelling...
As a 5800X3D owner, I'll be saving my money until the 10K CPU's come out!
6 years to save up $400. Wow.
Same here brother, same here. That cpu can last a long time still. Maybe even one additional generation. I don’t have anything currently that stresses it so I really expect a very long life for it
@@ThisIsMeArnoldReading comprehension zero. Wow.
@@guyfawkes0511 How so?
If the AM4 trend holds for AM5, you'll either be on the last generation of AM5 (meaning boards should be cheap and quality), or have another generation to upgrade to in the future. 👌
9700X, DDR5-6000, and an ASRock B850 Steel Legend is on the cards for me, then.
b650 steel legend wifi looking like a steal after their buying guide
That sounds like a really good combo.
Im still good with my 5700X + 4070 for now. I guess ill upgrade CPU next year
Yeah only reason to upgrade is if you are someone who doesn't feel 60fps is a great experience. I expect the vast majority of games will hit 60fps on that chip until the next console generation.
Yes sir
@@TheDarksideFNothing nah Im mostly playing Far Cry, Just Cause, Skyrim, sometimes Fortnite lol. getting decent fps. never measured how much but never felt any lag as such as these are all older games. sometimes I play at 4k, sometimes at 1440p. not really interested in other games as of now and dont get much time either to try them out
Thought about getting the 5700x because I already have an AM4 board.
Only problem, it's from tuf-gaming and I try to do a white build if the budget doesn't absolutely prevent it.
I'll probably go with a 7000 COU after the new ones drop
I'm still chilling here with a 5800X3D and 3080 12GB
Got 5800x3d, very happy with it. But I'm tempted with 9kx3d as some games are so poorly optimized and very cpu demanding at high fps these days.
I have the 7700x paired with a 7900XTX and been holding off on an 7800x3d and glad I did with the 9000 series so close now!
Waiting for Zen 6 3D here, with RDNA5 :) , that will blow anything else AM5 out of the water
I'm on the 7700X too, and will wait for 9800X3D to pair it with my 4090. I guess upgrading to 7800X3D is pointless now. 🤔
@@louisfriend9323 Yeah have fun waiting 2-3 years, Zen 6 is not confirmed at all for AM5, meanwhile I will exchange my 7800X3D with a 9800X3D or better, and my 4090 with a 5090 this year. Some people wait and wait, others just buy the best now and enjoy.
@@Chasm9 Not really pointless, but it would make more sense to wait. That being said, I would sooner buy a 7800X3D and a 5080 or 5090 than spend the extra money to stick with a 4090 and get a 9800X3D. I imagine the 9800X3D is going to be probably $450-480, so there's probably going to be a $150-180 to be saved if you go 7800X3D. Especially considering that you're still GPU bottlenecked in most games
@@Chasm9 Far from pointless the new 9000x3d will quite a bit more costly with not that huge of a gain
At 11:37, one of the Sata clusters are coming off the board lol.
It's been common for a few generations to lose two SATA ports when you fill both m.2 slots. Now, you lose them literally. 😆
@@Osprey850 🤣
couldnt resist the upgrade from 7700x to 7950x3d at the amazon US sale price (with discounts)
cache for gaming, more cores for photo processing
Do 7950x3D even use that extra cache ??
I had one and got blue screens , gonna go with the 9800x3d next time
@@GameBacardi Uh, yes. You basically get a 7800X3D for gaming and a 7950X for productivity. HUBs last review had it 2% slower in gaming than the 78000X3D and the number is largely driven down by Cyberpunk being a bitch about it without manual intervention, but HUB always tests default behaviour (which is the correct approach if you ask me).
I cooked up a powershell script on Windows and a shell script on Linux that launches games tied to the CCD of my choosing ("gamelaunch -0 /path/to/game" ties it to the V-Cache CCD and -1 ties it to the vanilla CCD) and then edited my game shortcuts. Some older games prefer frequency over cache, so I'm effectively choosing between a 7700X and a 7800X3D for each game. The neat part is that I can start a compile job in the background on the 8 remaining cores, and because compiling is pretty lax on memory bandwidth I get close to the same AVG FPS and about 10% reduced 1% lows, which is perfectly acceptable with an XTX at 1440p.
Any guesses about latency? Will it be lower than previous?
dont think so, only the cores changed. IOD is the same. so maybe minimal improvements from the cores, but overall system latency should be in the same ballpark.
Nope same CCD design as zen 2. Same cache design as zen 4.
Currently have 7800x3d with at 7900xtx. I'm happy for the time being, Zen 5 is better I could drop one in at some point
Upgrading gen-on-gen is rarely worth it. Which is why "two generations per motherboard" is completely and utterly useless. If we take AMD's claims about 16% IPC increase as gospel, and speculate that the X3D chips won't see a clock increase either, then the 9800X3D will be 16% faster than the 7800X3D. Heck let's say the new dynamic memory tuning thingie also kicks in and does a few percent, then at an absolute stretch you'd be looking at +20%. There is no way I'm reaching for my wallet for 20% more....
I have a 7950X3D and XTX at 1440p myself, and the only way AMD can make me reach for my wallet this generation is if they make a "9970X3D" with 8 Zen 5X3D cores and 16 Zen 5c cores. Getting a 15-20% gaming uplift AND a 30-40% productivity uplift would be worth it.
I get the feeling this will be only a lukewarm generation. I don't see sense of the 9000 series over the 7000 right now. B850 over B650 seems to be so negligible as well.
Still rocking a 8086k and a 1080Ti, but these Ryzen processors are getiing more and more enticing. I like how AMD are going the efficiency and not the brureforce path. I'd much rather have a little slower but hugely more efficient tech in my computer. Same goes for graphic cards.
My 5700X is still going strong but if the 9800X3D can deliver massive gains like 7800X3D did, it’s a no brainer for an upgrade
I have the 5800x but it’s holding back my 3080ti and the 7800x3D is on sale right now so I’m pretty tempted to
rocking a 2700 OC @ 4Ghz since release and i'm overly happy with it, but the 9000 series might make me want to upgrade.
Lookinmg forward for your B850 mothertboards comparisons as well than an eventual 9700X3D review !
I don't trust those Handbrake uplift numbers lol. Also the temp claims are good if true, was one of the reasons why I still kept my AM4 ITX system.
People have opinions about CPU temps for reasons that are not technically sound. The Pentium 4 Prescott ran at 105C all day, every day (people called it "Preshot" and "Pentium Teacooker") and no premature failures were ever detected. The 13/14900Ks that are failing left right and center now are failing on people who run 420mm AIOs that keep them below 80C.
If AMD thinks it's perfectly fine for Zen 4 to peek at 95C (and thus provide 3 years of warranty for that in the EU) then that's not a problem. My 7950X3D never goes there, even on multi hour long compile jobs, but if it did I'd be perfectly fine with it.
I get you but I am talking about ITX system here meaning it's gonna heat up everything around quite a bit. Running a Torrent or something I wouldn't care really.
I wonder if we will run into memory stability issues with the variable memory clocks/timings
Intel crashing is stealing a lot of media attention, I guess AMD wants to "win" attention back!
My Ryzen 7840U laptop from Lenovo already does this. It only has two modes: 5600 and 6400, though. Haven't had a single system hiccup on Linux and the once-in-a-blue-moon hiccups on Windows 10 are, according to the event log, down to Windows being Windows.
11:34 Those SATA connectors though... 😅
Bent to buggary
old connector yells at cloud
@@102728 SATA's fine. Adding an NVME drive didn't help my game load time. But then again, I'm running Linux which has far better handling of just about everything.
About half the games on the 5800X3D vs 9700X slide showed that the 5800X3D was still really fast.
if you are on 7000 series, use your money for a gpu upgrade not a cpu upgrade. You will get a lot more performance with that then a cpu upgrade.. we are gpu bound anyway currently. cpu tech has leaped light years ahead of gpu tech.
im running a 7800x3d. I dont plan on upgrading at all this generation. Im looking for newer AMD GPUs to upgrade from my 7900xtx
I believe the next gen flagship amd gpu well be slower than 7900xtx, which is sad, I also wanted to go for a 8900xtx
7900XTX will be the fastest amd card until RDNA5. maybe amd will make a refresh, but its not worth upgrading from a 7900XTX.
@@sgredsch A refresh would be great, if they can reign in some of that power usage. a 7900XTX that runs 20% less power hungry would be awesome.
@@deheimer I was really hoping this year AMD would finally make a powerful 4090 ish card but it seems the new 8000 series is going to be slower then my 7900xtx which I dont get why you would even release slower cards
I really wanted AMD to make a 4090 ish card but at a lower price point but it seems Nvidia just keeps pulling ahead constantly.
the 4090 is 2 years old and AMD has nothing to compete. In the CPU department AMD is killing it but as for GPU they just struggle
@@edwinwelch1946 The top RDNA 4 card will apparently be slower than the 7900 XTX, but it will still be a generational improvement in terms of die size (and therefore cost). In other words it can still be competitive in the midrange if priced appropriately, think of it as an RDNA 1 type generation instead of 2 or 3. They reportedly cancelled their largest and most complex die for this gen because they decided it wouldn't be price competitive, was going to take too long and the silicon would be better used elsewhere - like in that lovely two letter buzzword that we can't get away from at the moment.
But also, what are you even doing that actually requires more power than a 7900 XTX? Like that card is going to kick arse for years yet
After the recent exhaustive B650 motherboard recommendation video,& struggling trying to find some of the mid range ones in the $250-350AU range that haven't sold out, I look forward to seeing a grey beard Steve reviewing the B8xx boards all over again!! 😂(& then pouring over PCIe specs & reddit posts about buggy BIOS updates)!!😱
b650e Taichi Lite and never look back
Planning a new build. I'm not sure if I should wait for the X3D version
If you want a new build just build it whenever unless there is something new coming up really soon like less than a month soon. There will always be something around the corner so just build the pc and be happy about the performance.
Does anyone know when the Zen 5 X3D chips are meant to come out I heard something about September but I don't think that's been confirmed?
Gonna avoid Intel for now because of the Raptor Lake degradation issues.
If they're hiding the price this close to launch, it means they raised prices and are trying to stave off the negative PR.
still sitting here with a 3900x does the job still
cant wait for the zen 4 discounts
Will the 9600X have integrated graphics on the chip?
iGPU included this same IOD like in R5 7600X only refreshed
Yes all 9000 chips will have an igpu
@@heartbroken8105 great!
@@kkrolik2106 thank you. I might get the 9600x then 😃
@@6FootVampire
An iGPU so that you can start the PC, not to game on, it is not an APU.
Honestly the 9700X being the same in games as the 7800X3D without 3D-VCache is great news for people who want a good gaming cpu and a good productivity CPU, since the 9700X will easily crush the 7800X3D in productivity.
Agree as well as MASSIVE half power wtf
@@RoyZennet TDP means nothing. The 9600x and 9700x have the same TDP, does that mean the 8-core is 33% more efficient?
I think this is their first architecture that's more than 4-wide
Remember when you read slides about TVB and never tested it? Also CO also PBO etc.
How long after the release of 7000 series did 5000 series price bottom out? Anyone think 7000 will hit the price floor by November?
It took a few weeks before prices really started moving. Then those kept declining until AMD seems to have found a price point they where comfortable with. But I suspect Ryzen 7000 won't be falling in price that much anymore.
*It usually goes like that with AMD:*
They are getting ready to announce and then release the next generation. During that period, they start lowering prices of the current gen. Then after release they continue to do some adjustments where needed to clear inventory. It also tends to work like that for video cards.
Ryzen 5000 to 7000 however had two things going on.
The first was the end of the COVID scarcity and high demand. AMD seems to have found itself with a lot of surplus Zen 3 and also RDNA2 chips because of that somewhat sudden collapse in demand. They still haven't sold all RDNA2 stock seeing as you can still find RX6600 and RX6700 series video cards. For Zen 3 they started price dumping after they had maintained quite high prices for a long time. Like that, they also cleared AM4 motherboard inventory. I suspect they are still making Zen 3, mainly for server applications. The lower quality chips that don't reach server standards, get sold as Ryzen 5000.
Second was that DDR5 and AM5 motherboards where really expensive in the first few months. It allowed AMD to keep its Ryzen 7000 prices high, because the total platform costs where so high, that not everybody would be interested in going to AM5. If you where, you where willing to pay the premium. Once the DDR5 and motherboard prices started dropping, AMD also dropped its CPU pricing. And then AMD seems to have carried out a strategy of volume over maximum profits.
All in all, I doubt AMD will be lowering Ryzen 7000 pricing by much. They seem to have done most of that already. It could still pay off to wait for a bit, but I would not expect much. 🙂
Ryzen 5000 uses the same core complex die as Epyc 7003. As long as Epyc 7003 is in production it costs amd nothing to keep making new Ryzen 5000 cpus. Ryzen 7000 doesn't use the same core complex die as Epyc 9004. I would imagine amd has stopped ordering new Ryzen 7000 CCDs and it will go out of production relatively soon.
B840 is PCIe Gen 3?
That means it's worse than A620! What is this naming scheme?!
The claims are made regarding thermals, not instructions in at least one of the charts shown. I wonder, how much simply results from the TSMC node, as an upgraded manufacturing process.
July 31st... I get the feeling that date should mean something to me. Oh, yeah... I wonder if I can talk her into buying me a Zen5 anniversary present.
AMD never said the 9700X would be faster than the 7800X3D? They said it would be a bit slower.
AMD also claimed they'll bring the 9700X TDP to 120W yet the slides just 2 weeks before launch states it'll have the same 65W TDP.
AMD claims a lot of things...
@laszlozsurka8991 At computex they said the 9700x would be 65w. Still 65w here. Ultimately, tdp doesn't matter since you can change it
@@laszlozsurka8991when oi saw 9700x and 9600x woth same power. I knew they lied
@@toptime737 Of course they did. 9700X having the same TDP as the 9600X was too good to be true.
Here I am using zen 2
I'm looking forward to the independent test results and the price drop of the 7000 series.
I went AM5 and got a 7500F a couple months ago. Got a X670 MB because i wanted to overclock. I’m waiting to see what the 9800X3D has to offer, and if the rumors are true. I will gladly overclock, and curve optimize the cpu, and get the most out of it, I’ll just throw my 7500F into my itx build i have on the side.
Ill ride the 7800x3d until am6 10800x3d.
Might be 11800X3D.
5800X3D -> 7800X3D -> 9800X3D
it wont be called 10800x3d or any 5 digit+x3d it will be like a 180x3d 195x3d etc
Nice idea, that CPU it's so powerful that it has a long life before thinking to get a new one. I bought mine like 2 months ago(same model) and ufff, was the best money spent this year.
that would be crazy imagine a single ccd that has 16 core worth of x3d cache if they double the cores of there lineup in zen 6,
Haha same!
Thought you'd be under NDA and about to start reviewing by now.
They are but this was clearly something AMD wants them to release.
@@WayStedYou yeah just seen other videos land following this Tech Day.
it's a 2 stage NDA which most of the tech companies are doing now. today they were allowed to release some information like launch date, some official performance data, etc.
Can't wait for real testing and benchmarking paired with a Nvidia 50xx Series card. I am also curious what number of cores will give better performance espcially on modern games.
didn't they say "1st gen x3d"?
that's 5800x3d, not 7800x3d...
I DON'T CARE I JUST WANT X3D CHIP NOW
*B840 is soo misleading! PCIE 3.0 but A620 has 4.0*
It's not misleading two different products
@@chriswright8074 it is misleading because its worse than its predecessor while having a name that indicates its supposedly better.
@@sgredsch naming and numbers doesn't always means that
@@chriswright8074 well in that case it does, because higher numbers indicate a newer product and a better chipset.
14:22 What is that AMD Ad “A huge leap” at the end - have some integrity… You didn't even test it to make that claim
Probably a sponsored but not disclosed segment....HUB has been doing this for a while.
I’m a little confused.
So AMD is saying that the 9700x is the chip that just barely outperforms the 7800x3d.
But the 9950x doesn’t? Shouldn’t it be even better than the 9700x? I don’t understand.
Could someone please help me understand what’s going on here?
The 7700X is better than the 7950X in gaming too. It's not that surprising. The 9700X will have 8 cores in one CCD, while the 9900X will have 6 per CCD for 2 CCDs. The 9950X will have 2 eight core CCDs. Games generally typically use a max of eight cores, so the extra cores on the 9950X can actually be disadvantageous and lower performance.
AMD will have to pry my 58000x3d from my cold dead hands
7800x3d and ddr5 for cheap now could.
all i want for christmas is a 9800x3D to make my rtx4090 happy cause this 5600x been too much of a backpack and it would be sick to stay above 500fps 1% lows in CS2. gotta upgrade this terrible samsung odyssey 32" 1440p VA panel as well.
Get the 7800x3d for now upgrade later
@@DigitalBliss69 am good im too stingy
7800x3d for cheap is the way.
@@eternalbeing3339 todays prices are great
1440p 480hz woleds should be out by then, another thing to spend money on!
I plan to buy PC next month, is it worth to just go for 7800X3D or wait to see how 9700X will perform and maybe buy this on B650 socket instead of 7800X3D?
I’m holding on to my 7800x3D by far, it’s the best processor and I doubt new processors are gonna compete with it on a noticeable level.
Doesn't matter. I will happily upgrade my 7800X3D for a 9900X3D when it arrives
I'm waiting for the 9800X3D to upgrade to from my 7800X3D 😁😎
Even if it's just a 10-15% increase?
Tell me you're stupid without telling me you're stupid.
Imagine upgrading every gen
@@Aggrofool I'm hoping for at least 20% to be honest and better 4 dimm support , right now the best I can get is 5600Mhz with my 7800X3D on a ROG STRIX X670E - E Gaming
@@141menace I have a 240Hz monitor and in some games my CPU is still the bottleneck
B840 without even PCIe 4.0 whilst the A620 even supports it?! Is this some kind of joke? Especially with graphics cards at the lower end or even midrange not getting 16 lanes and even enough VRAM to bypass that former limitation?!
Should i laugh or cry?
I'll be waiting for the 9800X3D before deciding whether I'm upgrading or not. I'm on a B550m/5700X system and my main problem right now is lack of IO, particularly USB. I would really like to build a new full ATX system and if I'm doing that I might as well get as much gaming headroom from my CPU as possible (within reasonable budget constraints).
Of course this assumes the pricing is reasonable. If they jack the prices up, something that I wouldn't discount considering what's going on with team blue right now, I'll just continue to cope with the annoyance of not having enough USB. Ninety percent of my gaming happens on a Steam deck now so it's not like I'm desperate for more powerful silicon.
b840 is worse than A620. Nice shrinkflation AMD
Enjoy buying a new motherboard for 3% single thread performance improvement over raptor lake with arrow lake.
@@blegi1245 sure buddy will totally be 3% because an early engineering sample was
@@Frozoken why are you here crying about amd when you were never going to buy one anyway?
@@blegi1245 pointing out antoconsumerism is crying?
@@blegi1245 Bro pulled out numbers out of his ass 💀
I don’t know what to get.
9950 or the 9800x3d?
Money is not an issue and I do a lot of 4k editing + 4k editing.
GO 9950X !
9950x3d. No regurts
@@sodapopinksi667 whats the difference between 9950x and 3xd?
Literally went from my old Intel 7700k that I made like 7 years ago for a 7800X3D. I am going team red this time cause team blue isn't doing too well. They got complacent and thus started making bad products for absurd prices.
I want to Build a new pc. Should I wait for new ryzen 9700X or is a ryzen 7800X3D on sale a better deal? Thank!
@@Troynex It really depends on your budget, if you don't care about having older generation then go with the 7800X3D while it's on sale. If money is not an option and you just want to flex, wait for the end of the month and just get the newer stuff.
Seems odd to not have new mobos available at or near launch. Thinking of upgrading my system to AM5 from a 5800x.
Waiting for zen 6. My 7700 would do just fine and can easily overclock to 5.5 ghz in games with temps in mid-70s.
I should upgrade from 5800x3d. It does look a bit anaemic next to 4090.
But I hate the hassle of full platform upgrades and dealing with selling leftovers (people rarely want to buy a full set and don't want to come and pick it up).
Too bad there is no official trade in/2nd hand stores where you can sell older hardware .
Hopefully, this launch will reduce the zen4 prices in Europe.
Thanks. Hmm if the 9700X is that much more performant that's interesting. I recall the opposite was said earlier. If we get IPC gains well that will be apparent.
The 7700x is 245 US on Amazon. Is that a good entry point into AM5. I am a retiree and I have to watch what I spend. I currently have a 5800x3d on AM4
If you have a Micro Center nearby you can do better with a bundle still. The 7800X3D bundle has the best motherboard pick, $499 for CPU, RAM, and MB.
@@drewnewby Thanks for your suggestion. I already have a B650 Asrock Taichi Lite waiting for a processor deal. Steve convinced me with his recommendation of that board.
I've seen the 7900x3d dip to 309 before. Not the best x3d chip for gaming, but 299-309 is pretty good for an all rounder.
Definitely waiting for yours and other TH-camrs benchmarks, don't really want to believe in AMD's numbers after how they presented 5800xt and 5900 xt
If you understand the architecture, you understand the first party benchmarks and the selection of these.
Not a fan of the usb 4.0, I would rather have some PCIE-Lanes to plug in an affordable 25G NIC, but that seems nearly impossible for AM5 ...
No price is a good chance of "You won't believe how ridiculously high it will be."
The 7600X is fairly close to the 5800X3D, so it isn't too shocking. Makes me excited to get the 9800X3D.
Yeah, but on Zen 4 launch day the 5800X3D was about on par with the 7700X. It took a few new games in the benchmark suite, that were more memory bandwidth limited than compute limited, for the 7600X to "climb up there". If the 9600X already goes toe-to-toe with the 7800X3D then, in gaming, the IPC uplift is more than 16%, as the 7800X3D is about 16-18% faster than the 7700X but at ~5% lower clocks.
4:11 or they could be highlighting the improvements of the architecture since zen 4 had great multi-core, but lost to intel on single threaded performance
Title aged like milk
Gonna be honest, the idea of on-the-fly overclocking/reclocking of memory fills me with anxiety.
Well here's prices from store from my country 9600X-309,90€, 9700X-399,90€, 9900x-490,90€, 9950X-659,90€ If this help. Yes just count minus 22% then you should get roughly prices in $. It will not be 100% but roughly.
*I already know, I'm going to buy the RYZEN 9700X3D !!!*
Can't wait ! *The hell with Intel !*
I'd be more interested if GPUs that could keep up with these processors were priced better.
With these issues that enterprise customers are experiencing with intel, and some moving to 7950x, I wonder if the rumors the 9950x3D could be dual 3D-V cache and will be a drop in replacement for anyone who made the jump to am5 already, will push all of them to switch sooner rather than later.
I can't for the life of me figure out why people want a dual V-Cache CCD config. I have a 7950X3D myself, and it is CCD cross talk that tanks gaming performance. If I tie a game to 4 cores on the V-Cache CCD and 4 cores on the vanilla CCD performance hits rock bottom. If I tie the game to either CCD alone the performance is either 7700X-like or 7800X3D-like.
Perfect timing for those running their Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
4:44 The chart did say 65W 9700x, AMD maybe cited the 120w tdp or PBO performance due to lackluster result compared to 7800x3d.
65w is just too low anyway for x model skus. So imo 65w tdp is 12% better than 5800x3d and 120w tdp/ PBO turned on is 2% better than 7800x3d.
AMD and their last minute changes lol.
I run a 7600X, it works quite well. I got the feeling it underperforms compared to my GPU, so I'll see if these CPUs are going to be a good enough offer to upgrade already or wait for the next gen. Or, if intel actually makes a good batch of CPUs in their next gen, maybe I'll run a blue one. But that'll be hard given I'd need to buy one of their mobos.
This kind of multiple embargoes for one launch is pretty bs. Could have been one tweet honestly