“Thanks For Telling Me, I Don’t Need You Now!” | Dragons’ Den
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- French entrepreneur Sylvain Preumont is next to enter The Den. He's pitching the 'ultimate selfie' product, personalised statues made using 3D-printing technology. Sylvain is seeking an investment of £80,000 in return for a 15% equity stake but Peter thinks he can rival him...
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"they wanted the numbers, i didn't want to give them the numbers" great way to treat potential investors
Yeah why tf would he not want to give the numbers? It’s like a strategy to screw yourself over . I think he genuinely froze up and forgot them & is trying to play it off as intentional because he’s embarrassed
Thanks for commenting. I couldn't understand what he was saying there haha.
*nombers**
Right!? How you gonna ask people for their money and not give them your numbers!!
I think he was ashamed of his limited success and perhaps was trying to pull the wool over their eyes by pitching the new business.
Touker has a 3D printing machine that creates offices.
And those offices have 3D printing machines that create Toukers. Where will it end?
@@RockyDave
lol.
That's a BELTER!
😂
This joke
....almost seems real 😂😂
I love Nick Jenkins. Often critical but always a gent. A very tame dragon.
Love him as a person but think he’s a bit boring for the show. Tame dragons aren’t as much fun for TV, haha.
@@hommefataltaemin i think you need at least one tame dragon to balance out the chaos.
You must be English cause I can't stand his hoity-toity school boy accent. One of those people you can tell instantly has never suffered any hardship in his life. "It's got to re-create memories, like when mummy bought me candy at the fair and daddy bought me a house when I was 6!"
@@jsequine927 judging someone by their accent says a lot more about you than it does him.
That's the way a gentleman insults somebody in a very nice but direct way
10:17 "funky though I think this is..."
That phrase will form the core of all my polite refusals, going forward: "Funky though I think this is, I couldn't possibly accept this handknitted tartan pullover..."
Brilliant! Btw, can I have the pullover?
I'm screaming over how specific of an example that was. I'm gonna have "hand knitted tartan pullover" in my head for days now. 😂😂
He had a Statue of Limitations.
Alright, that's it, you're baned from the internet for a week, bloody puns 🤣🤣
Well fuckin done, loved that lol
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I read this in Kramer's voice
@@I_am_a_phrase_to_be_saidsame haha
Off the top of my head, I can imagine people might want such statues of their children (who grow fast). It could be a marketable angle.
and keep rows of them gathering dust on shelves
Pets
What is really crazy is I seen this exact thing in Asda over 5 years ago.
@@avisian8063 Yeah, pets grow even faster. I would've loved to have one of my late dog.
So fast 🥺
I now want a statue of Nick Jenkins...
Only now?
@@JVan-ic6ic underrated comment. I spat out my tea laughing
😂😂😂
Engraved with the words, "The market for a statue of me is very small!"
@@rileybrown342only makes it more precious 😊
Jenny has a printing machine that prints out the word “i’m out”
this made my day :D
It's not even 3D
On the filament reel there’s a sign that says “I’m Out”
Problem is the printing machine is out of ink.
That is exactly like Barbara on the American version of Shark Tank. The first words out of her mouth
He just came in with the wrong idea. If he came in with the idea of making 3D of peoples animals he'd have sold em.
There were so many issues other than the product itself though
he cant. you cant make a dog stand still for the cameras
@@mrbdrm2 Except I think that is exactly what someone on Australian Shark Tank did once. Also, millions of people are telling millions of dogs 'sit' or 'stay' every day, not to mention all the people making their dogs pose as they take photos of them to put on facebook or whatever.
Brilliant idea!
OMG !! your right!! you should get 50% !! We need a dragons den that brings in people like yourself in a live chat format. Viewers could vote up comment ideas like yours, then when the producers see your mass of votes, they live stream you into the Den so you can get equity and office space.
I agree with Nick.. I hate taking pictures, I'd be horrified by a statue of me.😂
I’d be horrified by a picture of you too.
Im amazed how few people know the turnover and profit of their businesses, this is fundamental to a businesses success.
I've been running a business for two years and I don't have those numbers. All I know, for the moment, is that it pays some bills and doesn't cost me money. I suspect many small business people are like that. You are flat out just keeping up with the daily problems, including the accounting (taxes, unpaid invoices, etc), that you rarely look at the bottom line, apart from "Is it above 0?". But I would make sure I had those figures if I entered the den, or went looking for investors.
@@stephenhosking7384 same here, all i know is im making money and the accountant is happy.
@@stephenhosking7384 yeah I get you. But if you were asking someone to come on board as an investor you would probably learn a few numbers to make it sound like you care.
Why does it have to be a model of yourself? Could be a couple. A family. Someone with a pet. Could be a couple numerous times showing how they've aged together throughout the years.
I guess, if you would like to buy it as a gift, then you need that person to attend 3d photo session, so it won't be a present really as there's no surprise factor any more
"Is that me?" Silly Tuka Sillyman
No one wants his money anyways
Peters going straight out buying a load of 3D printer booths
He is probably using RealityCapture software, a very well known 3d photogrammetry software, so you basically just need $70k scanner + $6k software to start your own scanning business.
I loved it when Peter said " I can buy that printer and dont need you" and he replied "Yes! but its 70k" looool... Talking 70k to a guy with 10 Million in the bank its absolutelly hilarious.
It's not about whether someone has the cash, it's about the assets that determine the business valuation. If you buy a 100K machine and construct a business around selling whatever it actually does, and sell me 10% of that business for 50K, something is not adding up. Where did the extra 400K come from? This is what they mean. They could just buy the machine and own 100% of the business. If you don't have 70K at hand, you could easily get a loan if your business plan and your track record is rock solid. Either way, buying at 5 times fair value would never attract any half-sensible investor... "And for that reason, I'm out."
how many people have 10 million in the bank who want to buy a 70000 pd printer??
Peter's a billionaire, pretty sure he's got 10 mil just laying around under his mattress let alone in the bank
1.5 bill
@@simonturner3910 Not in the bank. Most money is just in stocks, stocks that haven't been sold (and some that can't be sold for some future).
Peter Jones hit the nail exactly.
The issue is that anyone with money can recreate the same business without much barriers to entry. 70k pound is not really that much.
Yeah but the people who are buying the models for £150 most likely won't have £70k
I don't understand why Peter says "anyone can make this business for 70k", how many people have 70k? Not many
@@clover2604I don't think the concern is that customers might start the same business themselves. I think the concern is that other competitors will be able to quickly join the market and reduce the market share of the company Peter would be investing in
@@BrandNewByxor correct
But anyone can do anything, someone can write an iconic poem or learn how to draw art like picasso in theory?
@@simonhill591 Exactly. it's like how you can buy ingredients and make food yourself. Why go to a restaurant then? it's a service in the end.
How vain do you have to be to get a model of yourself holding a model of yourself holding a model of yourself, 3D printed.
Every Instagrammer?
You underestimate teenage and young adults
He also didn't make any models of the dragons. He could have made slimmer/younger versions of them for the laugh and it would have altered the way they questioned him.
@@user-yp3oj5se1i he couldn't because it requires them to go into the scanner so the machine knows what to print - unfortunately none of the dragons or themselves in the past have been in the scanner that takes about 60 photos covering every angle
It's just a way of showing the sizes lmao
Peter loves to be either the first one out or the last. He invests in drama and attention every episode.
He made an absolutely valid point about the business having nothing proprietary about it. There's literally people that run 3D printing studios or own one themselves at their homes that could do this guy's business in 1 weekend and it'd probably be cheaper. A statue is a 1-time thing and having nothing proprietary would be the only saving grace.
I'm here for it too. him and Deborah are my favorites lol
He’s simply an astute businessman. And he has natural charisma. That’s why the viewer is drawn instantly to watching him. The best Dragon and the only billionaire.
That's pretty much his "role". He is playing his own character. Don't take him too seriously.
One statue of Sarah please
Naked
@@trailerparkboys3390 you said what we all wanted to say ; )
Doll would be better.
Truly cursed responses.
I wld want her statue in lifesize
happy lunch break everyone 😹
Late night snack here!
@Mike 'dead eyed cretin' Ehrmantraut my guy 😂😂
Just had my breakfast at half 2 but thanks
I hear THAT xD
@Mike 'dead eyed cretin' Ehrmantraut hey stalker
Hello dragons my name is "silvanpowpon"
Literally every dragon: WRITE THAT DOWN
Quick! Before he starts speaking baguette!
well they obviously have to write his name down, they would do with anyone
Well the French never got 'British mainstream marketing'.
They just Win World Cups. And make the Best Food
@@netweed09 they’ve only won 2, shame they couldn’t of helped win 2 world wars instead of being invaded and surrendering almost instantly 🤷🏼♂️
@@TehDawg Lol, who cares about 'wars'? That's not a way to judge a Nation's talent and skill level - using violence and civil unrest as a judgmental paradigm is cheap and a cop out. It's moot.
''Only 2''?? The cheek of this haha. How many have the predominant English speaking nations all won altogether, what a grand total of 1? Lol.
The French are just overall more talented than the English and Americas combined in normal circumstances. And I was born in England.
There's a reason why French fashion and food has dominated the World and is so desirable.
Just thank goodness I'm not blinded by that awful ailment that is patriotism
Out of all the fantastic uses for 3dprinting he took the dumbest one...
🤣
Imagine if he could do like action figures with those!
@@dinorahbarbosa3927 Especially if they got eagle eyes that move with a little switch by the temples like the old Action man,s... That would scare the Kitty...
In China people get their children 3D printed into ornaments ... It's really a thing.
@@theeggtimertictic1136 thats not od its just loving parents I guess
They should 3D print a statue of Jenny and place it there it would serve the same purpose of never investing anyway... 🤣
What is always the issue with all the entrepreneurs not wanting to say their numbers smh 🤦🏼♂️
It reminds me of that one woman who said "Thats not relevent" when asked her sales numbers
Slyvain in this case just didn't know their numbers. People are more in interested in the actual DOING of business, not memorizing facts.
the numbers is small and he is embarrassed.
@@marks6663 Yh I think this is the most likely reason. The guy was clearly embarrassed 😂😂
A lot of them don't like to share the manufacture and selling cost because it shows the public how much they're over-spending. So they try to give margins instead. Like "wait I'm spending £30 on premium tea leaves that only cost £1 to manufacture?" lol
This could be a good product for sports teams. They already do bobblehead giveaways why not make these of your players? Even sell them in the stadium shop.
It definetely has a market but the problem is that he doesnt own the technology, which basically consists on a 3d printer everyone can buy.
@@mattiasantangelo9421 not everyone can buy a £70,000 printer!
@@biscuit4259 with "everyone" i mean everyone who can afford it, naturally.
You cant invest on a guy just because he spent 70k for a printer.
@@mattiasantangelo9421 I loved it when Peter said " I can buy that printer and dont need you" and he replied "Yes! but its 70k" looool... Talking 70k to a guy with 10 Million in the bank its absolutelly hilarious.
@@GustavoTeixeira-hu1ck Not to mention it's cheaper than the investment he is asking for.
This looks like a product with a lot of potential.
At my college, I got to make a small 3D-print of my head lol. My whole family’s heads are sitting there somewhere in the house. It’s quite funny honestly
If you could do it with multiple people (group of friends, bride and groom) or be able to do it with pets I could see a larger market
So get multiples and put them next to each other, genius.
The first time I saw this concept was in Kansas City. A family portrait could cost upwards of $1,000, if we were to 3D print everyone and give it as a gift. We got out of there fast and in a hurry. Way too expensive. There were some statuettes of pets, and those were pretty cute, but totally not worth the price.
Peter Jones in a nutshell: Tear down your business until I make you believe you have no hope without me and then offer to give you the money for exorbitant shareholding
He didn't offer to invest though
There is a reason why he is that wealthy. He knows what hes doing (RR Sauce) while admitting he made mistakes (Tangle Teaser)
@@wootle the smartest Dragon
This has plenty of market appeal. Even contacting a major company like WWE as so many kids would love to play with an action figure of themself against other wrestlers. Even getting one of their friends to form a tag team. Could be huge money.
Oh that's actually really interesting
WWE is too big, regular plastic molding would be cheaper to manufacture. The market for this type of business is small batch manufacturing. When a company only needs 100 parts
He didn't sell his own expertise enough. Dont think he has the sales nature enough
"Boeuf a la mode” as Del Boy would say
Mange tout, mange tout.
😂😂😂
Au Revoir
@@thomaslawton7756 😂😂😂
"The value comes from this side of the room, not that side of the room"
BUUUURNN
🔥
I can’t say I’m surprised. He basically said “give me 80,000 pounds and we will go start a new business that you will own 15% of”. Why would any investor agree to that?
@@tonydarcy7475 agree
Added Value.
Sarah won my heart again with her French accent when she said Bon Marché, and then later bon courage.
And her lovely norks
@@charlie12102 she's hot let's be honest
Timestamp?
@Aware she's so fine
Oui oui je suis la croissant hon hon hon
"they wanted the numzzzzz, i couldn't give them the numzzzz"
5:16 why did I laugh at that scene 😂
"I don't see the value in this business, and for that reason, I'm Sarah Unwillingham"
The ultimate manifestation of the “self love” generation.
I love this idea ,so unique
Peter said it right in the beginning.. thanks for the idea now I don't need you.. personally I could see it as a fun novelty idea to put in a mall if it was cheap but for the price of the figurines it wouldn't have much of a market.. good for a small hobby business for a few individuals but no real marketing value
Well one thing I didn't think of would be grandparents wanting figurines of grandchildren.. that could be a somewhat viable market
dont know how long ago this was but i saw the same company at south africa comic-con in 2018 thought they where amazing
Aaaay a fellow South African?
@@MobiWanYT yhuuup
My friend had one of these made with his kid! It’s awesome! I want one. Imagine one of these with the family! It’s brilliant !
I can imagine that well! A 3D Version of a family foto would surely look cool as home decoartion.
It has definetely a market and I find it cool, problem is that this guy doesnt own the technology, which basically consists on a expensive 3d printer that everyone could buy. He hasnt invented anything, he just does something that others are doing/can do, meaning he's not so investable.
Last time I was this early The Dead Sea was just a little unwell.
Quite a few of these booths in LA doing a roaring trade! Hope the guy went on and made it BIG!
Ok I've been.binge watching for days!!!!
Now when I sleep, I'm making offers or saying I'm out!
So.....time to take a break for while. 😆
I'm not sure I agree with Nick, I could definitely see kids wanting toys looking like them or their close ones, or parents / grands-parents wanting to keep a statue of their children / grand-children. Plus, you know, ubris 😅
We did something extremely similar to that here in the US. It was huge around Steampunk conventions which is a really small market. After my wife cleaned up the image, we sent it to the printers. If you don't own the printer, you aren't making any money. We decided to cut our losses and turn our energies to something else.
Ohhhh 3Denied!
Interesting statement of Sylvain towards the end. From what I can tell, his business(s) isn't doing so hot and he admitted in making some not good choices from his past in that business aspect. I really do not believe he saw this idea and project worthy, he just needed a loan and thought his idea of printing yourself in 3D was so grand he doesn't have to give them any reason to invest.
Soon as the word “pounds” is said:
Peter:👀
It's funny how when other entrepreneurs talk about their other business, these Dragons bluntly berate and say "Talk only about the business you're selling to us", but then sometimes they demand the other business' information.
This situation is a little different. He didn't have a company to sell to them. What he had was one company that he wanted to split in two to separate out the 3d printer selling aspect and the 3d portrait aspect.
Sitting being televised recorded...... I dont like being photographed. 😂 😂
We got a creative lab in town where we used a hd webcam to scan a person, by literally turning around. Software builds a model and the printer does the rest. A little statue needed less the 5 euro material. No boosth needed.
This guys should’ve said it can be used for wedding cakes, for kids before they grow up, people’s animals and people that cosplay so they can see themselves dressed up. He would’ve killed it.
No. A dragon can buy the printer him/her/theyself for less than the cost of the investment, and own 100% of it.
You missed the point. It could’ve been for anything but anyone can do it, there’s nothing proprietary.
He hasn’t even started the business yet. If he believed in it he would fund it himself.
I love how they roast someone for 10 mins straight and then politely say I'm so sorry I'm out haha
Finally the full episode of this episode
"What kind of people want a statue of me?"
Answer: The same people who want to take selfies of themselves. Duh!
I would buy it. His presentation was iffy. If he presented well enough he would have gotten a deal. I think it is very rad and unique.
Doesn't matter how well he presented it if he can't support it with numbers.
You’re not an investor.
They publish this video at lunch while we are having lunch yum
Wow. Who cares? It's a bit presumptuous that they release it for lunchtime. Maybe it's released for the Americans waking up in the morning?
@@Locutus unlikely given it's a British show mainly watched by British people - they do upload midday UK time because it gets them views. It's not a presumption, it's good business sense and keeping subscribers happy.
@@TallulahLaGhash That's presumptuous again, to say it's mainly British people. However, that is more nitpicking on my part.
But, it's like Dragons Den Ireland or Shark Tank Aus, are their videos mainly being watched by Irish or Aussies?
I know of another YTer that actually releases their videos in the morning our time, that way Americans waking up, will see a new video, with views on it.
@@Locutus maybe presumptious, but it's commonsense that a TH-cam channel run by the actual production company of national broadcasting corporation (ie the BBC) would not be putting out their content in a way that best suits the timezone that 1. Their staff work in and 2. Appeals mainly to a native audience who are familiar with that show? You will see that the Irish version has far less viewers, but those active on the daily comments section are typically people in Ireland who watched the show on their national TV. Of course every good show will broaden out to a global audience, but in my mind, the presumptuous thing here is the idea that the people running the channel are catering to Americans. It's a very American-centric presumption. Especially given the channel is very receptive to audience comments. It has to be. It is a branch off of the BBC, their content is regulated so they scrutinise their engagement. You can witness this in how they put more clickbait titles, until the comments complained. Then they would change them. Trust me they market to the lunchtime crew, just as the Irish one does, both putting out content at sameish time as they do see that's a popular thing within their fanbase.
@@TallulahLaGhash I don't believe this YT channel is actually run by the BBC, I think a separate company from BBC runs the channel. I could be wrong. I'm not claiming that the show is catering for Americans, I'm saying that *could* be *a* possibility, *a* possibility of many. But with it being released at lunchtime doesn't necessarily mean that are aiming for us Brits, specifically. They *may* be releasing it for another audience, that will see the views later and because it has views, people are more likely to watch the video.
Best entrance i've seen in the den
I’d love to have those of my kids!!
I think he made the mistake of using people for his subjects. I'll bet that there are tons of people that would like a model of their pets. Also, small runs of product display models for use by salespeople would also have some appeal. There are numerous other similar applications for his system.
I've seen this done at Comic Cons, cosplayers are definitely a market for this... Depending on cost.
Seems a good shout tbf
Right Liam, you've got a good business head, so I'd like to offer you a thumbs up and %100 of your soul.
Lol when they zoomed up peters picture in the beginning i died
Just ate my lunch, 12 minutes fitted perfectly, thanks.
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SAME!!
Everytime..
Dude this comment had me rollin. Literally what I was hoping this would do for me right now 🤣
12 min break 🤣🤣🤣
Eatin lunch right now loool
I have two companies, one that sells the machines and one that sells statues
Jenny has a 3D printed model of herself so she can put it on her doorstep so she is always out
I feel like this could be great for people who are into cosplay and roleplaying games. Like imagine that you could have a 3D statue of your character! So cool
Yup, plus YT influencers could sell them to their followers. A huge market out there.
great angle to look at it from
@@hazy33
Exactly! @@hazy33
Wasn't sad enough to have that thought but OK
@@Black.Sabbath uh oh "someone else has a different opinion/interest to me therefore I must make a disparaging remark"
Smart catch by Peter
If he had licensing deals with celebrities and footballers I can see it being something
There are something like this out there already lmfao
I love this idea!
Bro looks like an alien, perhaps he can print himself a new head 👽💀
Never mention you have anything else which your not including. The dragons need to own you completely to go into business with you.
Side businesses, property, wives, it all needs to be on the table to get Pieter interested.
He looks like a wax figure himself.
plot twist: he is
I have hearing problems, and for that reason, I shout
his idea is easy to copy and even if he might make an entry to the market as the first, he will be easily squeezed out by someone else (like one of the dragons) who takes it and makes it more fun and more relatable.
I think the personalised candles is a cool idea - would be a funny spoof gift
Yes, would love to watch my ex wife's face melt into nothingness.
...it would immediately end up in the trash.
@@wootlewhy would you not just use the candle, be smarter with your money and gifts bro
Isn’t it cute though? like having a statue of you and/or your friends. I have so many friends who’d love this. It’s like having a picture of yourself but in a cooler form. Idk I feel like it isn’t as narcissistic as people make it out to be....
Well some people like to deal with reality and some people (like yourself) don't 😆
I could see using this for a topper on a wedding cake. Would make for a great souvenir.
especially if you buy a cake and have a party and everyone on the squad is on the cake.
There's nothing wrong with the idea. It has extreme potential and options. His offer, being an investment for the dragons however, was completely shite.
your right!
This isn’t a bad idea I’d get a little model of me holding a little model of me that’s holding a little model of me…. I’d be pride of place on my shelf 🤣
Sarah practicing her psychic abilities!
Failed miserably with the joke😂😂😂...she is fantastic though...but that was a fail
I don’t get it?
Gorgeous woman, can't get enough of her.
@@Troublenut ok troublenut
@@Wolf-nh9rc still dont get it
“I can go to the store and buy fabric and pay somebody to sew this jacket, right? So I don’t need you then now.”
Missed the point entirely
great for narcissism! 👍
I think a 3D printed Peter doll would be pretty cool
I could see the wedding couple doing it for the cake topper, or wanting some just because, but other than that you'd need an ego the size of the moon to want one of yourself.
The difference between the French business mindset and the English business mindset
The English know nothing about business . The UK is least producing nation in the EU . They have fu****n nothing . I can’t think of any British products or famous companies . I wouldn’t have thought these so called “dragons” invested in a French man.
@@mibrahim5215 need to come out from under your rock mate, there's plenty of companies out there. BHP? Astra Zeneca? HSBC? Unilever?
@@mibrahim5215 the EU stripped UK production and sent it abroad
What do you mean?
@@mibrahim5215 Rio Tinto, Shell, Cadbury, it's just a service/brand based economy, which is where the money is at.
Coca Cola doesn't produce all the soft drink it sells, it licenses out to a local producer who does all the work.
Peters intelligence is sharp as a lions claws
This reminds me of diesel snuffle tart. The horned benson trough.
I want figures of all the Dragons that have ever featured on the show.
we have models in stock for theo, peter, tej, deborab, simon, touker, duncan, hillary, james, rachael, piers, nick, kelly, sarah, and richard, but jennys out.
No surprise there.
Only pizza Jones remains. 😂😂
3:37 This is where the inventor should’ve said if you clearcoat that the colors will be more vivid because that’s true he’s showing them straight up Prints I’ve ordered one of these and I clearcoat it mine with semi gloss clear coat and it looks bad ass
If I canny get a 3D print of a Scottish Highlander, I’m Oot!
"They wanted numbers and I didn't want to give them numbers" You had to have known they'd be pissed, they always want to hear the numbers. He couldn't have gone on the show without seeing it before like come on. thats bs
I cant imagine how many selfies he takes of himself 😧
Man, I know the guy isn't helping himself, but if Peter said, I could do this and that and do it myself, I don't need you, that has to hurt, I can feel my heart shatter at that moment
Well, it’s not rare for Peter to say that and in most cases he’s actually right about it. Especially when we talk about business which is almost at ground level.
@@Psycho250785 I know, I know but for anyone to hear it and it's your business, it is hard to take when someone says, I could do it all myself I don't need you
@@jonathanm2690he could still make money off it for himself, it’s just not investable.
much love
Very little barrier to entry. I see these at markets, mall kiosks, shark tank australia lol....
Statue of your family members before they pass away.
Even the poorest in society know how to take a photo 😆
Death Dolls
Creepy, maybe in the 1800's when they hung up pictures of actual corpses.