It was clearly "fear of missing out". You have 5 millionaire enterpreneurs in that room and 4 of them have already invested in that market, which means there must be huge value in it. Anyone in Touker's position and with all his resources would obviously wanna hop on that train at the first reasonable opportunity and he had one right in front of him
actually, i like Jenny :-). It would be interesting to hear Jenny's excuse in this case, would be something like "well, I'm not conflicted yet but might be in the future so I want to keep my options open."
The producers really should screen in advance for conflicts like this. It seems unfair to set people up just to get rejected for no reason like this...
That's a fair point but that shouldn't make the person presenting have any less chance of going onto the show. And they can't change dragons for every conflict of interest. I do understand your point. But even if they knew a few dragons can't join, it's still better for them to go on and get advertising. If I could go on Dragons Den or Shark Tank even knowing that 3 out of 5 couldn't accept my product or all of them couldn't, I'm still %100 going to go on the show. It doesn't hurt anything
@@manyake5015 A producer knew T.S wasn't going to be conflicted, and knew there was a high chance he was their golden goose. That's my opinion anyway, it was beautifully set up : )
“Don’t put things on your children’s skin, that you wouldn’t put in their mouth” You’d put sunscreen (chemical free or otherwise) in your child’s mouth?
The idea is that it must be safe for the baby as the baby could lick it and ingest it, and no, they wouldn't put it in their babies mouth but are suggesting that it would have to be safe to do so.
Touker is the man. He welcomes the competition and was thoughtful in his stake request. Notice Sarah was admonishing him to have increased his stake offer to 40%. Touker understands family business would not take advantage of the moment. Touker is my man.
because it's repackaged with a baby on it and sold in the baby aisle for new buyers to see and buy--not everyone's going to go to the kitchen aisle for baby products
@@carlandrewbrace2926 Seems like the system does not work because of the inflation rise tho "We can’t find you a good deal right now Due to the rising cost of energy many energy suppliers have been forced to remove their tariffs, which means it’s difficult to find reasonably-priced deals at the moment. We’re temporarily pausing our energy switching service, but we’ll be back as soon as we can access energy deals that are right for you and give you the great service you deserve. "
The more of these clips I watch, the more I realise how pointless Evan's narration is. Touker: "I'm worried about your margins later." Evan: "Touker is worried about margins later."
I love Touker. My respect for him just went through the roof! He had a chance to take advantage of this couple and bleed them dry and he didn't. Good one!
Not only did the producers royally mess this up by wasting their time, but they did the entrepreneurs dirty because they were forced to reveal sales figures to multiple competitors BEFORE they declared their conflict. That kind of thing gets you a very bad reputation as an investor.
I get what you say about the sales figures, but I think you'll agree after some more thought that the idea that anyone's time was wasted is hard to argue. They got an investment from a Dragon, which is way more than a lot of other of people who have pitched on this show can say.
@@awesomeferret not only that the investment actually went through since Touker was actively involved with them for atleast 3 years so yeah all things considered they fair pretty well
You do realise this is an entertainment show? They did this on purpose, the producers know what they're doing. It's not about the investments, it's about the viewing numbers.
@@ydfhlx5923 The entrepreneur has to make all sorts of declarations before they go on the show. You can say that this is 'just how it is' all you like, but it's still deceptive to ask someone their secrets while you're knowing hiding something from them.
Plot twist: None of them were conflicted. They just thought the idea was so good, they'd rather steal it and do it themselves. They were all smiling cos Touker didn't catch on.
I'm happy for them! Nice to hear they're doing well too. Always better to own 75 percent of something big rather than 100% of something that's small. One thing I've learned from the Den.
Kokoso is still sold at Boots stores. Despite living in New Zealand, I still managed to buy it and now I use it every day! Watching this, it’s very clear that the producers of Dragons Den set this couple up to fail, because they would have known the dragons had shares in rival companies before this couple were on the show. Not cool Dragons Den, not cool.
This one is almost unfair to the inventors. Imagine watching dragons den and seeing everyone get a fair attempt at 5 dragons, only to get there yourself and 4/5 dragons CANT make you an offer regardless of the quality of the product or the pitch. It basically forces them to accept any deal the only remaining dragon offers. I mean, for most people, getting on a show like Dragons Den is a once in a lifetime shot. To have those odds even further reduced, by losing 4/5 potential investors right off the bat due to no fault of your own, is pretty shitty.
This product is literally just coconut oil, that you can buy in many different stores for a lot cheaper. Also, hey have it in Boots, which is in every single town center in the UK atleast once and every, city center atleast twice, added to the little off-the-high - Street shopping parks you get. They sell a product at £2 per store, per week. There is absolutely no value in this business at all. Also, being that it is an organic/natural product.... You cannot patent it in anyway, making it copiable by anybody who might choose fo use it.
Yes there is clearly distortion of concurrence, Touker can take advantage of the situation. Although being the only one around your successful multimillionaire concurrents without this type of business can make a compelling argument for the entrepreneur's case
On the other hand, they got a deal which they probably wouldn't have gotten if everyone else hadn't been conflicted. Think about it, it's true. Peer pressure carried the pitch with this one.
Oh right, from what Debra said about "Our skin absorbs as much as we eat" who's coming round for dinner? i thought maybe we could lay there with a roast dinner On our stomachs for a few hours until we're full 😂
I love to eat shampoo and shower gel because I put it on my skin so its good for me to eat too. Im also a bricklayer and get cement on my skin often so I started eating it too. Never felt stronger!
@@free_gold4467 She's not really though. Certain things can but in very very tiny amounts, things that break down skin lining or dilate your pores like alcohol. But most things can't be absorbed unless they're accompanied by a chemical that can, like alcohol
Umm.. a loonng time ago in the Caribbean we MADE our coconut oil from the insides of dried coconuts in our kitchens. You cannot get more organic than that. We would lather it all over the body of the newborns and we also cooked with it back then. I could still see my father standing with wooden spoon over the pot and turning and turning until the coconut flesh turned into mush... and anyone who hasn't had this sprinkled over hand-churned coconut ice-cream has still got some living to do. If it's completely organic it's as safe as ever - I'm living proof mid 60s Caribbean woman.
you are blessed to have lived in such a time and place that was not so corporatised that people rely entirely on mass produced products for every single part of life
This is unfair on the entrepreneurs. They shouldn't have been invited in if everyone is going to declare themselves purely on a confliction basis (nothing to do with the entrepreneurs lack of skill).
But then the dragons would know what kind of products are coming in. There’s nothing stopping people researching the dragons and seeing what they’ve invested in and what they own..
Who watches DD videos? It's mainly bitter people who criticise the government for doing too little and too much about covid-19. They sit at home in their basements, checking the price of bitcoin and the latest special offers at Lidi.
@@StallionStudios1234 As your name suggests, perhaps they invest little to no time at all and most are just passive income. When it comes to strategy for business etc they have a team they've employed to do that for them.
There’s a difference. Sarah declines businesses that she can’t help or she thinks won’t be successful. Jenny’s already out as soon as they walk in the room.
@@Governor2310 I didn't say they were bowing out for the same reason, just that both are tough to get investment from. You make a fair point though. I just feel like the one thing both have in common is that they aren't willing to take a gamble and it makes them boring dragons at times....obviously jenny is worse
I am pleased to learn that it is doing well but don't understand why Boots was stocking it at the time this was made. Boots has costs to cover and unsold creams sitting on valuable shelf space does not help!
But then that makes you think how many other types of products are like this...why is this the only time when 4/5 dragons had a conflict of interest? There are other markets that are more flooded than this...
@@TheManInBlueFlames Just my 2 cents. If a dude comes in with an app, you can't say "I won't invest because I've already invested in another app". It makes no sense. But in this market it does, as they are all similar (a product for your skin) and you can't differentiate them that well. In the end, in this industry it all comes down to branding, thus becoming more conflictual.
But it's possible to copy and paste the source code of many apps and computer games and just change the aesthetic or other features can you not? Think of all the pay to play games and the Clash of Clans clones on mobile. But what if it ends up being identical with barely any changes, can you not be sued for that?
A lot of food products are the same with the packaging side of thing so I dont see why if there was a great conflict of interest on this product why there wouldn't for the vast amounts of food products that we have seen enter the den in the last few years.
Could it be? I’m starting to really respect Touker. Lovely deal. Very fair. The order dragon was greedy. I would have asked for 40% she said. Very greedy woman
I so wanted these guys to do well! Not only we've been using their brand on our baby, but their coconut oil helped to heal my dry skin and I've been also applying it on my eyebrows and there is fine new hair now growing in spots that I've been filling in with brow pencils for a decade! This product is absolutely amazing and I wish these guys all the best, I really hope they're no 1 brand in coconut oil baby products vere very soon!!!
@@BenjaminGoose Definitely not. At the end of the day, I don't need to offer my whole life story to prove to anyone that I know my body a lot better than someone who's never even met me!
Those kids have to learn to deal with the harshness of the real world sometime. They had nine months in the womb to prepare so I don't feel that sorry for them.
I can't be the only one laughing my ass off not even a minute and 30 seconds in, because she is using the debunked argument of "Oh THIS is natural, unlike those manufactured chemicals!" When even "natural" things can be harmful and even "natural" things are still made out of chemicals.
my thoughts exactly. one can look at the periodic table for natural ingredients for eg. they're all about selling something trendy. even in their pitch they were using words and phrases directed at the trendy market.
@@CabbageYe can’t be it’s 100% natural! I prefer my arsenic served to me in a cocktail with Mercury gives it that crisp bite that can’t be beat and the Mercury also allows me to know that the drink is at the perfect temperature every time
This is just basic coconut oil, and therefor terribly overpriced: a 70 gram container of coconut oil costs 5,50 on their webshop. At Holland&Barret I can buy a 400 gram container for 4,95.
@@free_gold4467 I'm all for that but this is way too big of a difference. I would feel ripped off. But I guess the consumer agrees as they're not selling that many.
@@FLRSKLVR I agree but it's a different market where the price seems reasonable. I suppose you are a very informed consumer and stand outside the stats that make businesses successful, maybe I think I do too.
The market for anxious Parents is rather large. If it was marketed as a product for every age then you would arguably get fewer parents buying it for their kids as they worry about what they expose their children to especially infants. Baby oil isn’t just used on Babies but Johnson and Johnson still brand it as Baby oil for the same reason. So I’d argue that it fortifies their core market whilst allowing access to the general skin care market.
Jenny would say something like: “I love the product, I love both of you, it’s a really attractive proposition and I’m not conflicted. However, I have my Dragons Den reputation to defend; so for that reason, I’m out” And how come T.S. didn’t offer them office space?! 😂
I feel Peter's grilling was a bit off, until all were "conflicted" and Peter suddenly remembered he was also conflicted. They all realize they can repackage 1 pound coconut oil and label it whatever and make good buck and dont need these dummies. It's only touker that didnt realize this
Dragon: "I'm conflicted. My other businesses make money, lots of it. And yours doesn't. I cannot have those conflicts therefore I must declare myself out." Other Dragons: same
For ppl blaming the producers for not screening the dragon’s investments… is it really their fault for not checking on a product with negative barriers to entry
Why did the show allow this situation where there may as well have just been one dragon? Not fair on the entrepreneurs but glad they got a decent investment and dragon
i can't comment on the benefits of coconut oil; i used it for only a short time but after a while i got sick of smelling the stuff. It was ok at first but I can't stand anything coconut now.
I’m sorry but “don’t put anything on your skin that you wouldn’t put in your mouth” is just asinine. Your skin and your digestive system are completely different things and there are a lot of things that work well for skin you can’t eat.
Calamine lotion, Sudacrem, Shaving Cream, Shampoo, face masks, steroid creams for eczema... I would not put any of those things in my mouth. Should we say they're all bad for the skin?
Genuinely felt happy for them getting that offer. There’s clearly something there, or they wouldn’t of got into Boots. 75% of something huge is better than a 100% of something small
Fun fact: "Natural" and "organic" aren't necessarily things you want to go for, in your skinproducts, as they are very ill defined words, in the skincare industry. Allergies can still easily arise if you're prone to them, or even provoke them, if you aren't. If you really want to be on the safe side, go by cosmetic labellings, instead.
The whole allergen thing is dumb, everything is a potential alergen. What I am allergic to isn't highlighted in bold on ingredients lists, so I always have to read a paragraph of chemicals before I buy a sandwich. You can become allergic to anything that enters your blood stream.
They think their product is unique. God all baby consumables in Australia are ‘natural’/organic etc. They’re the stereotype of people who think having kids is a personality.
I think the reason for their lousy sales is that coconut oil is something people can buy in a lot of places. This product isn't really new or different and if I wanted to put something on my skin, I'd ask "why would I buy this instead of just plain coconut oil?" Then I'd shrug and do that.
Touker transferred shares back after 3 years. Company profit and loss reserves are negative according to Companies House accounts. Directors loans needed to fund business. Not one that worked out for Touker.
the best part of dragon's den is the comment section, it has become a ritual to read comments after watching the videos, and having said that I'm out.
Haha! Same here. I scroll down and read the comments while the episodes are on. Comments are comedy gold!
Yeh alright Jenny!!
so funny😂😂😂 same
The title had me thinking that their actual pitch was what is conflicting, not the fact that 4 out of 5 already have shares in rival companies
Yeah I think that was on purpose lol
Click baiting
Same
That is exactly what the "producers" were expecting --- CLICKBAIT
Really poor - so unfortunate for the entrepreneurs
Touka invested because he too wanna be conflicted next time someone brings another organic cream business.
I KNOW!
Ha I thought his name was Touka, too! Fogot t'account f'th'accent, mate
Touker was probably thinking: "wait I'm the only one without a coconut-based skin cream line, guess I should join the club."
Yep, I think he didn't want to be left out 🤣
It was clearly "fear of missing out". You have 5 millionaire enterpreneurs in that room and 4 of them have already invested in that market, which means there must be huge value in it. Anyone in Touker's position and with all his resources would obviously wanna hop on that train at the first reasonable opportunity and he had one right in front of him
@@psyclops973 ALL the leverage. All the others were out. Very smart.
He was getting the office space ready in his head!!!
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 Good one
Imagine if Jenny was there. She wouldn't be able to copy the other dragon's excuses for being out. What a nightmare
"I'm not conflicted but I want to be, so with that being the case, northern girls get things done and I'm out".
"I'm not conflicted, but I'm a northerner girl, therefore, I'm out"
-Jenny
Best comment
"I'm not even featured in this episode, and for that reason I'm out"
Maybe she called in sick
Jenny: I've declared myself out in other similar businesses so unfortunately I'm conflicted
Best comment 😂
Lol 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤪🤪🤪🤪
Brilliant.
🤣
Jenny: "I'm conflicted, I want to be in, but I have my fans who want me out."
😂😂😂
@Div I tried finding them in the comments but they're always out
@@tgime1 😂
actually, i like Jenny :-). It would be interesting to hear Jenny's excuse in this case, would be something like "well, I'm not conflicted yet but might be in the future so I want to keep my options open."
🤣
The producers really should screen in advance for conflicts like this. It seems unfair to set people up just to get rejected for no reason like this...
It's a reality show. They DO want the conflict for the drama.
See what you’re saying
But if they would have told them they couldn’t come on because of that, then they wouldn’t have got the deal that they did
That's a fair point but that shouldn't make the person presenting have any less chance of going onto the show. And they can't change dragons for every conflict of interest. I do understand your point. But even if they knew a few dragons can't join, it's still better for them to go on and get advertising. If I could go on Dragons Den or Shark Tank even knowing that 3 out of 5 couldn't accept my product or all of them couldn't, I'm still %100 going to go on the show. It doesn't hurt anything
@@manyake5015 A producer knew T.S wasn't going to be conflicted, and knew there was a high chance he was their golden goose. That's my opinion anyway, it was beautifully set up : )
The conflict made this one of the best episodes
Jenny "I've got two big strong strapping lads at home, they wouldn't use this, so i'm out"
"I don't believe in coconuts, and so, I'm out"
“Skinned fruit and veg bother me immensely! I’m out!!” 😡
😂😂😂
I had a nightmare once, where I was pitching to the dragons in the den and 4 of them were conflicted and the last one was Jenny
Gold 😆
At least it wasn't 5 Jenny's
😂
In your nightmare… try pitching a product or business that has massive barriers to entry so that the dragons won’t be conflicted.
😹
I love when people repackage cheap organic products that are already readily available
yup.
Very Well put and a spot on comment, like that blondie and her Spanish olives 🤣
Yeah a huge jar of coconut oil in my cupboard $5
Don't have to have the best idea, just the quickest one.
@@Finallylefttomyowndevices haha she hated her suppliers and basically acted like all Spanish were like that 😂
Theo: are you here for my kids inheritance?
Mark: no, we are here for our own
but this episode was wiTheout theo p fetus
"our skin absorbs exactly the same way we eat" Man Debora did miss that biology class.
what do you think your intestines are? (membranes)... do you see how your skin is directly connected to this via your poop shoot.
@@dontfearunitydividedwefall5055 one in the pink 4 in the stinky buddy, you’re a T R O G L O D Y T E
Babies skin if different from adults skin
@@polymerblast7271 your sexually insecure, there is hope you just need to become more conscious and maybe asses your issues and study psychology.
@@topazstars7734 It is not, and deb is correct, you can intake stuff through the skin.
“Don’t put things on your children’s skin, that you wouldn’t put in their mouth”
You’d put sunscreen (chemical free or otherwise) in your child’s mouth?
Yh that was a bizarre statement.
The idea is that it must be safe for the baby as the baby could lick it and ingest it, and no, they wouldn't put it in their babies mouth but are suggesting that it would have to be safe to do so.
Gotta toughen them up somehow 🤷♂️
@@tharcisse7103
Are you daft? Read the comment again, it's in plain English
@@tharcisse7103
Well it seems like you're almost there. Go on, you can do it. You will understand it if you put your mind to it
Jenny: "I'm conflicted too, because you want money. So for that reason, I'm out".
I was surprised Evan Davis was able to narrate this, doesn't he own a coconut grove?
Not sure if this is a joke (because he looks like a coconut, shy)? If it isn't, why would that be a problem?
Very poor
The producers didn’t really vet this pitch well. 60% of the dragons out before even hearing the pitch
Edit: 80% didn’t watch the whole pitch
but there is plenty of demand, and even with 4 conflicted they made a deal.
When Touka asked them what they wanted from a Dragon their answer should have been Office Space.
or a kitchen
🤣🤣🤣🤣 still waiting to see the small print on his ubiquitous *office offer* "... _but you have to pay for the internet, phone, toilet_ "
Lmfao
I wondered when someone was gonna say that
Touker is the man. He welcomes the competition and was thoughtful in his stake request. Notice Sarah was admonishing him to have increased his stake offer to 40%. Touker understands family business would not take advantage of the moment.
Touker is my man.
30%
25%
I don’t think you’d be saying that if you worked in one of his sweatshops
But like... if it is THAT pure, why not just buy coconut oil from the grocery aisle? That's what I use for my skin.
Because capitalism.
Me too. I think that's why they haven't sold much. The people already using coconut oil can get more for less at the grocery store.
because it's repackaged with a baby on it and sold in the baby aisle for new buyers to see and buy--not everyone's going to go to the kitchen aisle for baby products
Exactly.
Touker: "You've probably got no money in the bank."
*extortion intensifies*
I think all in all. Touker has a good heart
JENNY
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She has actually signed the most lucracrative deal with look after my Bill's and 4 others.
@@carlandrewbrace2926 Seems like the system does not work because of the inflation rise tho
"We can’t find you a good deal right now
Due to the rising cost of energy many energy suppliers have been forced to remove their tariffs, which means it’s difficult to find reasonably-priced deals at the moment.
We’re temporarily pausing our energy switching service, but we’ll be back as soon as we can access energy deals that are right for you and give you the great service you deserve.
"
The more of these clips I watch, the more I realise how pointless Evan's narration is.
Touker: "I'm worried about your margins later."
Evan: "Touker is worried about margins later."
ahh don't!! does my head in!
To be fair his narration in the first season or two is absolutely savage, a lot more milder now
Evan is a waste of space on this show, the same 10 *monotonous business phrases* , no real humour
Coconut oil????? You can get it for $1 down the road
I use in cooking too it’s brilliant
Refined?
Exactly
exactly! this is ludacris. how innovative, coconut oil used in skincare 🤯😒
I love Touker. My respect for him just went through the roof! He had a chance to take advantage of this couple and bleed them dry and he didn't. Good one!
lesson for me: When the whole world goes bananas, millionaires go coconut.
Not only did the producers royally mess this up by wasting their time, but they did the entrepreneurs dirty because they were forced to reveal sales figures to multiple competitors BEFORE they declared their conflict. That kind of thing gets you a very bad reputation as an investor.
I get what you say about the sales figures, but I think you'll agree after some more thought that the idea that anyone's time was wasted is hard to argue. They got an investment from a Dragon, which is way more than a lot of other of people who have pitched on this show can say.
@@awesomeferret not only that the investment actually went through since Touker was actively involved with them for atleast 3 years so yeah all things considered they fair pretty well
You do realise this is an entertainment show? They did this on purpose, the producers know what they're doing. It's not about the investments, it's about the viewing numbers.
You come to the show, you will be asked about numbers, regardless of whether dragons are conflicted or not. That's just the way it is.
@@ydfhlx5923 The entrepreneur has to make all sorts of declarations before they go on the show. You can say that this is 'just how it is' all you like, but it's still deceptive to ask someone their secrets while you're knowing hiding something from them.
Who watches this while having brunch?
5 potato waffles for me
Brunch? How posh.
Hoisin duck wrap, coffee and dairy milk for me today
My butler is late with my cucumber sandwiches
who doesnt!
Plot twist: None of them were conflicted. They just thought the idea was so good, they'd rather steal it and do it themselves. They were all smiling cos Touker didn't catch on.
I'm happy for them! Nice to hear they're doing well too. Always better to own 75 percent of something big rather than 100% of something that's small. One thing I've learned from the Den.
Kokoso is still sold at Boots stores. Despite living in New Zealand, I still managed to buy it and now I use it every day! Watching this, it’s very clear that the producers of Dragons Den set this couple up to fail, because they would have known the dragons had shares in rival companies before this couple were on the show. Not cool Dragons Den, not cool.
I mean those guys should've checked that before applying, too.
This one is almost unfair to the inventors.
Imagine watching dragons den and seeing everyone get a fair attempt at 5 dragons, only to get there yourself and 4/5 dragons CANT make you an offer regardless of the quality of the product or the pitch. It basically forces them to accept any deal the only remaining dragon offers.
I mean, for most people, getting on a show like Dragons Den is a once in a lifetime shot. To have those odds even further reduced, by losing 4/5 potential investors right off the bat due to no fault of your own, is pretty shitty.
They should have invented a more unique product then.
Sarah willingham is the most useless dragon
This product is literally just coconut oil, that you can buy in many different stores for a lot cheaper.
Also, hey have it in Boots, which is in every single town center in the UK atleast once and every, city center atleast twice, added to the little off-the-high - Street shopping parks you get.
They sell a product at £2 per store, per week. There is absolutely no value in this business at all.
Also, being that it is an organic/natural product.... You cannot patent it in anyway, making it copiable by anybody who might choose fo use it.
Yes there is clearly distortion of concurrence, Touker can take advantage of the situation. Although being the only one around your successful multimillionaire concurrents without this type of business can make a compelling argument for the entrepreneur's case
On the other hand, they got a deal which they probably wouldn't have gotten if everyone else hadn't been conflicted. Think about it, it's true. Peer pressure carried the pitch with this one.
Jenny:”I’ve already got two great big hairy coconuts, so I’m out.”
Class!
Oh right, from what Debra said about "Our skin absorbs as much as we eat" who's coming round for dinner? i thought maybe we could lay there with a roast dinner On our stomachs for a few hours until we're full 😂
Yes but she's right as usual.
@@free_gold4467 Not necessarily. There’s a reason why some medications that you can rub on your skin tell you not to ingest.
@@derekg5674 Yes but she's broadly correct.
I love to eat shampoo and shower gel because I put it on my skin so its good for me to eat too.
Im also a bricklayer and get cement on my skin often so I started eating it too. Never felt stronger!
@@free_gold4467
She's not really though. Certain things can but in very very tiny amounts, things that break down skin lining or dilate your pores like alcohol. But most things can't be absorbed unless they're accompanied by a chemical that can, like alcohol
Umm.. a loonng time ago in the Caribbean we MADE our coconut oil from the insides of dried coconuts in our kitchens. You cannot get more organic than that. We would lather it all over the body of the newborns and we also cooked with it back then. I could still see my father standing with wooden spoon over the pot and turning and turning until the coconut flesh turned into mush... and anyone who hasn't had this sprinkled over hand-churned coconut ice-cream has still got some living to do. If it's completely organic it's as safe as ever - I'm living proof mid 60s Caribbean woman.
I don't think you know what "organic" means. It doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.
you are blessed to have lived in such a time and place that was not so corporatised that people rely entirely on mass produced products for every single part of life
Coconut oil is a very good lubricant
For da gawk gawk 3000
I'll remember that if I'm ever stranded on an island
You must enjoy off roading. x
Not for engines it’s not
fnar fnar
Next person that walks in looking for organic coconut cream will find every dragon ✨conflicted✨😆
Peter seems so silly disparaging them then realising he's conflicted after.
Peter always challenges them to defend their business. He's testing them to see if they have clarity and faith.
Also a way to drive the price down
This is unfair on the entrepreneurs. They shouldn't have been invited in if everyone is going to declare themselves purely on a confliction basis (nothing to do with the entrepreneurs lack of skill).
But then the dragons would know what kind of products are coming in. There’s nothing stopping people researching the dragons and seeing what they’ve invested in and what they own..
@@darrenohairtneide1494 I think the producers should have had other dragons present
I don't find it unfair at all, they got an offer and took it lol
remove the Mr from your ID, you're not a man you're a whinging woman who's never owned a business yourself
Eh... so no chance is fairer than low chance?
Who watches DD videos? It's mainly bitter people who criticise the government for doing too little and too much about covid-19. They sit at home in their basements, checking the price of bitcoin and the latest special offers at Lidi.
haha classic!
Sarah only said “I’d go for 40” because she’s didn’t want Touks to invest.
yea, these rich r mostly just cut throats
Or she didn't think he should budge much because as she also said, the business needed a lot of work.
@@lincoln7184 exactly. These Dragons are worth +250 million, why waste time on something that needs a lot of work when the equity stake is low.
@@StallionStudios1234 As your name suggests, perhaps they invest little to no time at all and most are just passive income. When it comes to strategy for business etc they have a team they've employed to do that for them.
@@StallionStudios1234 P.S sarah willingham is worth £12 million, just a little bit off £250 million.
Touker has a heart of gold to give them 5% back for free if they meet his terms. My respect for him just shot through the roof!
Everyone talks about jenny saying I'm out but Sarah is a tough dragon to get investment from as well...
There’s a difference. Sarah declines businesses that she can’t help or she thinks won’t be successful. Jenny’s already out as soon as they walk in the room.
But she's really cute.
@@Governor2310 I didn't say they were bowing out for the same reason, just that both are tough to get investment from. You make a fair point though. I just feel like the one thing both have in common is that they aren't willing to take a gamble and it makes them boring dragons at times....obviously jenny is worse
Sarah doesnt really have money. 12 million worth aint that much
@@crimsonlightbinder lol
Since covid-19, this company must be doing great
really?
Lol
Because coconut cures Coronavirus?
@@Average_Ohio_Citizen_ because babies
Your stomach too...
(Humor)
I am pleased to learn that it is doing well but don't understand why Boots was stocking it at the time this was made. Boots has costs to cover and unsold creams sitting on valuable shelf space does not help!
The look on Sarahs face 8:42 when she finds out Peter is a competitor 😂
When 4 out of 5 dragons can't invest due to conflicts of interest, it really makes you realize how flooded this market is.
But then that makes you think how many other types of products are like this...why is this the only time when 4/5 dragons had a conflict of interest? There are other markets that are more flooded than this...
@@TheManInBlueFlames Just my 2 cents. If a dude comes in with an app, you can't say "I won't invest because I've already invested in another app". It makes no sense. But in this market it does, as they are all similar (a product for your skin) and you can't differentiate them that well. In the end, in this industry it all comes down to branding, thus becoming more conflictual.
But it's possible to copy and paste the source code of many apps and computer games and just change the aesthetic or other features can you not? Think of all the pay to play games and the Clash of Clans clones on mobile. But what if it ends up being identical with barely any changes, can you not be sued for that?
A lot of food products are the same with the packaging side of thing so I dont see why if there was a great conflict of interest on this product why there wouldn't for the vast amounts of food products that we have seen enter the den in the last few years.
Could it be? I’m starting to really respect Touker. Lovely deal. Very fair. The order dragon was greedy. I would have asked for 40% she said. Very greedy woman
I so wanted these guys to do well! Not only we've been using their brand on our baby, but their coconut oil helped to heal my dry skin and I've been also applying it on my eyebrows and there is fine new hair now growing in spots that I've been filling in with brow pencils for a decade! This product is absolutely amazing and I wish these guys all the best, I really hope they're no 1 brand in coconut oil baby products vere very soon!!!
I massage my hair with coconut oil sometimes and my hair is silky but I have been doing it for years.
You've *noticed* fine new hair, it was probably there all the long and the placebo effect is at play here.
@@BenjaminGoose Definitely not. At the end of the day, I don't need to offer my whole life story to prove to anyone that I know my body a lot better than someone who's never even met me!
Hairy elbows
Why are so many babies in the UK born alone? Sad
Twin babies though, are not born alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She means: Just in UK only. ..not that babies are born alone. Lol!
@@christinabasri5114 I understand that but i just wanted to carry on in the same tone with Andrew.
@@christinabasri5114 Lol dont you get sarcasm?
Those kids have to learn to deal with the harshness of the real world sometime. They had nine months in the womb to prepare so I don't feel that sorry for them.
coconut oil in a nice tub..
just go to the local store and pick up some coconut oil for 20p
2:23
Debra practising her Beethoven's 'Moonlight Sonata'... No lie!
I wonder why she always does that with her fingers?
I can't be the only one laughing my ass off not even a minute and 30 seconds in, because she is using the debunked argument of "Oh THIS is natural, unlike those manufactured chemicals!" When even "natural" things can be harmful and even "natural" things are still made out of chemicals.
Thought the same thing!! Natural can be harmful and irritating to the skin!
my thoughts exactly. one can look at the periodic table for natural ingredients for eg. they're all about selling something trendy. even in their pitch they were using words and phrases directed at the trendy market.
wait you're telling me chugging arsenic is bad for me??
@@CabbageYe can’t be it’s 100% natural! I prefer my arsenic served to me in a cocktail with Mercury gives it that crisp bite that can’t be beat and the Mercury also allows me to know that the drink is at the perfect temperature every time
This is just basic coconut oil, and therefor terribly overpriced: a 70 gram container of coconut oil costs 5,50 on their webshop. At Holland&Barret I can buy a 400 gram container for 4,95.
A good example of branding adding value.
@@free_gold4467 I'm all for that but this is way too big of a difference. I would feel ripped off. But I guess the consumer agrees as they're not selling that many.
@@FLRSKLVR I agree but it's a different market where the price seems reasonable. I suppose you are a very informed consumer and stand outside the stats that make businesses successful, maybe I think I do too.
Jenny: does this offer cost me money. Pitchers: No
Jenny: I’m sorry I can’t take you seriously, for that reason I’m out.
Poor
Why the heck their targeted market for infants only ? If they could market it as organic skin care product, they could've increase their market.
I agree but I guess it's good to be niche, there must be a reason all the other dragons had the same idea with specifically babies
Because, first thing, you buy for your baby what he needs and after that for you!
Because coconut oil is everywhere you have to make it a special niche for it to sell
The market for anxious Parents is rather large.
If it was marketed as a product for every age then you would arguably get fewer parents buying it for their kids as they worry about what they expose their children to especially infants. Baby oil isn’t just used on Babies but Johnson and Johnson still brand it as Baby oil for the same reason.
So I’d argue that it fortifies their core market whilst allowing access to the general skin care market.
I use this product on my 5 month old daughter, it works great.
Did she have excema or something?
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 she has now
coconut oil can cause acne by blocking skin pores
Tuker felt left out, whilst all the other dragons already were in the same market in other deals.
Jenny would say something like: “I love the product, I love both of you, it’s a really attractive proposition and I’m not conflicted. However, I have my Dragons Den reputation to defend; so for that reason, I’m out”
And how come T.S. didn’t offer them office space?! 😂
It’s become very cliched on Dragons’ Den with Jenny and Touker🤣
The guy pitching was great in the Shawshank redemption . . . .
They sold 9000 units and only total 20k pounds? They're selling the product for too cheap.
I mean it's literally just coconut oil lol
It appears that the company is doing well. Although Touker resigned just over a year ago.
Probably bought him out
@@kaysonsnyder7521 This is from 2017 ish
Spoiler alert......
@@kaysonsnyder7521 They drip feed us past episodes 💧
Bruh spoiler
I feel Peter's grilling was a bit off, until all were "conflicted" and Peter suddenly remembered he was also conflicted. They all realize they can repackage 1 pound coconut oil and label it whatever and make good buck and dont need these dummies. It's only touker that didnt realize this
They seem a friendly couple, i wish them well. I'm sure there's a big market, coconut is in, the product looks good, and they should do well
I missed my TH-cam notification because like Jenny, I was out
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i think touker's first and foremost motivation was to compete with the rest of the dragons similar investments outside the show
Dragon: "I'm conflicted. My other businesses make money, lots of it. And yours doesn't. I cannot have those conflicts therefore I must declare myself out."
Other Dragons: same
Wow!....there isn’t a lot of Jenny jokes??...I am shocked,..for that reason I’m Out!
😁 I buy cheap, natural ecological coconutoil🥥 in a food market.
Shea butter is more appealing than coconut oil especially on baby skin imo. But I want to try their coconut oil for sure for my eczema skin
Touks actually made a good offer there and looked genuine about it.
I’m unfortunately conflicted, I’m a 30% share holder of John Deere tractors and we are about to branch out into baby skincare……
I'm conflicted because I think this product is crap
For ppl blaming the producers for not screening the dragon’s investments… is it really their fault for not checking on a product with negative barriers to entry
Coconut oil's globules are too large to be absorbed by the skin, so is totally ineffective for moisturising, although it's good for skin protection.
Globules. Sorry I just wanted to say that word.
We Indians have been applying coconut oil directly on the body since childhood. Don’t know why it needs to be on the form of a cream.
They seem a nice couple, hope it works out..
Why did the show allow this situation where there may as well have just been one dragon? Not fair on the entrepreneurs but glad they got a decent investment and dragon
Doesn't coconut oil clog pores? I thought it was bad to use on your skin
correct
Babies don’t have pores
@@onetwo8932 Babies pores start to open at 1-2 months. I'm assuming this product is for more than just newborns
i can't comment on the benefits of coconut oil; i used it for only a short time but after a while i got sick of smelling the stuff. It was ok at first but I can't stand anything coconut now.
It would appear as though you did in fact comment on the benefits of coconut oil.
@@jakecooper5855 no i didn't. i said i can't stand it. doesn't mean it's not beneficial.
Refined coconut oil has no smell or taste.
I’m sorry but “don’t put anything on your skin that you wouldn’t put in your mouth” is just asinine. Your skin and your digestive system are completely different things and there are a lot of things that work well for skin you can’t eat.
yea she knows not what she is talking about, try putting hot butter on your skin, the result will be zits, and that doesnt happen when you eat it...
I prefer to rub beef dripping on my eczema
@@Elldeeve cowcownut oil ?
Calamine lotion, Sudacrem, Shaving Cream, Shampoo, face masks, steroid creams for eczema...
I would not put any of those things in my mouth. Should we say they're all bad for the skin?
thavam base lol
Genuinely felt happy for them getting that offer. There’s clearly something there, or they wouldn’t of got into Boots. 75% of something huge is better than a 100% of something small
Dont put things on your skin that you wouldnt put in your mouth.....well, looks like im bathing in beer tonight
People have been using beer as a shampoo for hundreds of years or more.
I love Touker. I think he's under rated sometimes.
Fun fact: "Natural" and "organic" aren't necessarily things you want to go for, in your skinproducts, as they are very ill defined words, in the skincare industry. Allergies can still easily arise if you're prone to them, or even provoke them, if you aren't. If you really want to be on the safe side, go by cosmetic labellings, instead.
Yep. I bought one all natural moisturizer. I got a really bad allergic reaction from it. My face was burning & all read.
30% and no office space? Cheeky basket.
No it's either his office space or his team. On this occasion it was his team
Dermatologists say coconut oil is an allergen. Just because it’s natural doesn’t mean it’s better. I’d never put this on my children eczema.
Use Fucibet it's good
The whole allergen thing is dumb, everything is a potential alergen.
What I am allergic to isn't highlighted in bold on ingredients lists, so I always have to read a paragraph of chemicals before I buy a sandwich.
You can become allergic to anything that enters your blood stream.
They think their product is unique. God all baby consumables in Australia are ‘natural’/organic etc. They’re the stereotype of people who think having kids is a personality.
I didnt see jenny and for that reason, im out
"our skin absorbs exactly the same way we eat" i rubbed the chicken on my skin but i am still hungry :(
The guy looks like Thor in yourger age but short
I went years without watching Dragons Den. All of a sudden I'm on a 3 week long binge of watching as many dragons den videos as possible. Help
Go with it.... resistance is futile ;+)
You need help
Welcome to the club! We eat lunch and make Jenny jokes.
It’s like those brands that repackage Shea butter at high prices when in facts it’s the same grade of other less fancy packaged ones .
They were successful enough to buy back all the shares from Touker - good on them!
Oh my. The dragons are literally their competition in business.. x)
Its december 2021 and holly willouby still not launched that baby creams range Pete mentioned.... think was easy out for most of them
I love how everyone realize, as they’re talking, ‘I’m also conflicted’. They really did drop like flies.
Question: When's the last time you saw a fly "drop"? When's the last time ANYone saw a fly drop? I really want to know.
@@SteveFrenchWoodNStuff When I smacked one with an electric swat
I think the reason for their lousy sales is that coconut oil is something people can buy in a lot of places. This product isn't really new or different and if I wanted to put something on my skin, I'd ask "why would I buy this instead of just plain coconut oil?" Then I'd shrug and do that.
Jenny: "I am conflicted because I have coconut milk at home, and for that reason, I'm out".
Touker transferred shares back after 3 years. Company profit and loss reserves are negative according to Companies House accounts. Directors loans needed to fund business. Not one that worked out for Touker.