“Convince Me and I’ll Give You £2.5m” | Dragons’ Den

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  • Stephen Voller presents a nervous pitch for an investment of £2.5m in return for a 30% equity stake in Bee Automobiles, he promises that if he gets a Dragon's money he can secure a further £7.5m in government funding but who can make and market a car with only £10m?
    Season 7, Episode 7.
    An international sensation, Dragon's Den features entrepreneurs pitching for investment in the Den from our Dragons, five venture capitalists willing to invest their own money in exchange for equity.
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  • @handbanana4899
    @handbanana4899 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2285

    Peter's face when he's confused whether or not the den suddenly got sucked into a time loop is great

    • @GregRickard
      @GregRickard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +176

      Glitch in the matrix. He was looking for agents.

    • @isakjoseph747
      @isakjoseph747 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      That was crazy 😂😂😂💀

    • @shy_sorai_vlogs
      @shy_sorai_vlogs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Lol the editing was great 😉

    • @wedontexist369
      @wedontexist369 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      When? Time stamp?

    • @mistermusic1961
      @mistermusic1961 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@wedontexist369 1:16

  • @graham9352
    @graham9352 3 ปีที่แล้ว +890

    Me: *my cars broken*
    Kardoctor: *buy an electric car*

    • @Money_J_KC
      @Money_J_KC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      More like
      Me: my car is broken
      Kardoctor: you should get it fixed
      Lol

    • @elastronaute1198
      @elastronaute1198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Money_J_KC take it for an MOT

    • @CEEEEEEEEENA
      @CEEEEEEEEENA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @negara54
      @negara54 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ME My electric car's broken down
      CAR DOCTOR: You need a longer extension lead.

    • @PV-pw8bf
      @PV-pw8bf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      SILLIEST BUSINESS IDEA EVER

  • @NeseComedy
    @NeseComedy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +491

    12 years after this went live and I still don't see anything like it at that price range, thanks Theo

    • @eddache7149
      @eddache7149 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      I was just thinking that and trying to check the date it was launched. Even now they're talking about exchangable batteries as a game changer!

    • @samsowden
      @samsowden 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Kind of proof that it was a silly idea that wouldn't have worked

    • @fusiliers1
      @fusiliers1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      He’s car is £12,000
      But a new electric corsa costs £29,999

    • @jimbean2274
      @jimbean2274 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      agree 100% , chageable Battery.... this time the Dragon was .... on the wrong way ^^

    • @jimbean2274
      @jimbean2274 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@fusiliers1 He could make much more of it, but it was an Idea for everyone. Damn this, they should had accepted....

  • @andrewevansmusic3222
    @andrewevansmusic3222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +684

    When James asks about how big the car will be, I *wish* he'd just said, 'No, no... this IS the car - jump in!'

    • @delanodegenie6970
      @delanodegenie6970 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      This comment really made me laugh!! 🤣🤣

    • @jphenry3404
      @jphenry3404 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Peter: 'But...'
      *Man pulls a gun*
      'I said: Jump. In.'

    • @andrewevansmusic3222
      @andrewevansmusic3222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@jphenry3404 Exactly - it's the Spruce Moose

    • @RicoTheUnknown
      @RicoTheUnknown 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahaha

    • @miriamllamas224
      @miriamllamas224 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂

  • @jasonpinto0497
    @jasonpinto0497 3 ปีที่แล้ว +412

    It's nice to see how Peter has aged two minutes ever since Dragon's Den first aired.

    • @jamie2866
      @jamie2866 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I went to school with you

    • @ishraqzamee9479
      @ishraqzamee9479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jamie2866 did u actually?

    • @Gizmo_-
      @Gizmo_- 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ishraqzamee9479 so did I

    • @Griselda_Puppy
      @Griselda_Puppy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Jason Pinto *Money can buy youth. Peter is worth nearly half a BILLION pounds. He may never age.*

    • @RomanshGupta
      @RomanshGupta 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ishraqzamee9479 😻

  • @LHyoutube
    @LHyoutube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +224

    1:04 - That wasn't nerves, he was just recharging! 😂

  • @sephirotharsy6
    @sephirotharsy6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +299

    his company has been dissolved. if anyone is wondering

    • @hossoneninesixtwo
      @hossoneninesixtwo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      I don't think anyone would have guessed otherwise.... poor guy

    • @starxz6661
      @starxz6661 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ??

    • @123TauruZ321
      @123TauruZ321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Colin W Link please.

    • @hyllaf
      @hyllaf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@foddyfoddy THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT

    • @getsuccessfulwithandito1550
      @getsuccessfulwithandito1550 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@foddyfoddy Wow, thanks for sharing the article! Voller is truly a serial investor killer!

  • @pippipster6767
    @pippipster6767 3 ปีที่แล้ว +281

    Jenny: I’m not even in this ... and for that reason I’m out.

    • @da3v1ls93
      @da3v1ls93 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Did you think that up yourself? That was pretty lame

    • @scott_41
      @scott_41 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@da3v1ls93 You're pretty lame

    • @thekillerprawn
      @thekillerprawn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@da3v1ls93 man, if he's lame what are you then? pathetic? worthless? an absolute waste of human life? absolutely uninvestable, that's what...

    • @michaelmattingley5117
      @michaelmattingley5117 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Im theo I'm out

    • @ThiefKingofLegend
      @ThiefKingofLegend 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      haha that gave me a chuckle

  • @twigityful
    @twigityful 3 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    This type of business doesnt suit merely a pitch on TV to the dragons. This requires a real business men meeting with details

    • @lil_jong-un6668
      @lil_jong-un6668 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I think it happened after the show. It's not very entertaining to look into the details.

    • @GulliversFlo
      @GulliversFlo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Free advertising

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lil_jong-un6668 If anyone agrees to invest, they have a proper meeting where they go through all the details. But if nobody wants ot invest, that's the end of it.

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There's no need to have a "real business men meeting with details." He thinks he can develop a new car and bring it to market for £10M. That's clearly not possible, no meeting is needed to establish that, and no amount of detail can change it.

  • @branniganbailey5324
    @branniganbailey5324 3 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    "I'm itching to invest"... *No matter what you say next I'm going to declare myself out*... "I'm out"

    • @Georgey0121
      @Georgey0121 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Watch him get excited then take away his bone

    • @ojogbaneamedu2501
      @ojogbaneamedu2501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They chop the footage, it’s possible more was said and he really was interested.

  • @cfzcfz
    @cfzcfz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +882

    Why do people purposely make ugly looking cars like that

    • @7-up813
      @7-up813 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      He's a nerd not a designer it looks good to him

    • @trainwithmrlee
      @trainwithmrlee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      To be different

    • @kaigordon2900
      @kaigordon2900 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@trainwithmrlee one way of putting it i guess 🤣

    • @darthyoda8170
      @darthyoda8170 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It looks alright

    • @darthyoda8170
      @darthyoda8170 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He had designers help

  • @ChicDead26
    @ChicDead26 3 ปีที่แล้ว +591

    Man, its been a while without Jenny. Feels like we're missing out.

    • @notmwah
      @notmwah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Maybe she walked “out “ the door

    • @burchil12
      @burchil12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      That was outstanding

    • @verycurlyo
      @verycurlyo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Out and out and great comment

    • @RockyDave
      @RockyDave 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm in, I'm in... No, out. Sorry.

    • @Time_Line_Archive_Project
      @Time_Line_Archive_Project 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      she's "out" there somewhere...

  • @VivekTiwari03
    @VivekTiwari03 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Had he pitched this in the US his company would've been valued at over $30 Billion

    • @peanutmansemporiumofrandom7472
      @peanutmansemporiumofrandom7472 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And he would have lost the equivalent of double his valuation.

    • @AwesometownUSA
      @AwesometownUSA 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      (if it had been a realistic proposition, and not just a pie-in-the-sky ambition)*

  • @everettblue146
    @everettblue146 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    i love how they edit in those long awkward pauses

  • @gmwdim
    @gmwdim 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    To get the funding for a car company you don’t go on a TV show, you go to proper VCs that can invest the amount needed. The dragons are right, he needs at least an order of magnitude more than what he’s asking for here, if not two orders of magnitude. Rivian got $700 million from Amazon, plus their earlier rounds of funding, and are still in the process of getting their first vehicles to market.

    • @peanutmansemporiumofrandom7472
      @peanutmansemporiumofrandom7472 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m going to assume that you’re here in the US. Honestly, how many Rivians have you seen on the road? Your comment is from three years ago and between then and now, I can honestly say that I’ve seen less than 10 Rivian’s and I’m an over the road truck driver and spend 99.9 percent of my time on the road in my semi.

  • @yellowjacket5995
    @yellowjacket5995 3 ปีที่แล้ว +452

    "Impressive stuff from the experienced entrepreneur, but Theo the *Fetus* thinks he could disembowel this man and replace his insides with a fetus."

    • @Blueguy72
      @Blueguy72 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've seen the crack calling him "Theo the Fetus" but what does it mean? From a curious American.....

    • @yellowjacket5995
      @yellowjacket5995 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Blueguy72 I'm an American too. I think of Theo as a fetus who lived to be very old through sorcery.

    • @camoflash7621
      @camoflash7621 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Blueguy72 a foetus is a baby growing in the moms stomach. His name is Theo Pavitus, so the joke is a play on words! :)

    • @Argumemnon
      @Argumemnon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@camoflash7621 Paphitis. At least get the name right.

    • @demimoffatt7900
      @demimoffatt7900 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Blueguy72 a curious American ffs

  • @andrewstubbs822
    @andrewstubbs822 3 ปีที่แล้ว +257

    Dragon: "You're a total bellend!"
    Entrepreneur: (smiles) "Why, thank you."

    • @MCFC111
      @MCFC111 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oops

  • @shayaan3026
    @shayaan3026 3 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    Literally just started having lunch and saw this uploaded 3 mins ago... Bless ur soul dragons den 😂

    • @hupokrites6933
      @hupokrites6933 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      About to have dinner. Technology is finally working!

    • @emmanuelezenwere
      @emmanuelezenwere 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same here . breakfast

    • @ifwecouldvote
      @ifwecouldvote 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Same here, just sat down to take a dump!

    • @alanhock5760
      @alanhock5760 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Seen this comment around 100 times now🙄

    • @shayaan3026
      @shayaan3026 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alanhock5760 it is what it is and that is all it is innit?

  • @Highran56
    @Highran56 3 ปีที่แล้ว +289

    His company dissolved in 2011. Only lasted three years.

    • @dimspacha
      @dimspacha 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      he tried. Many cannot brag about this type of small success.

    • @btlv
      @btlv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@dimspacha Not sure about successfulness mate, he lost tons of investors money.

    • @GirlycarDawn
      @GirlycarDawn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@dimspacha That's really not good enough when you're talking about millions of pounds.

    • @williamhurst6072
      @williamhurst6072 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@btlv lost investor money from idiots the barrier to entry for car industry is far to high you need 100 of million just to get in the door Elon musk is a prime example he was already a billion air before tesla

    • @drpk6514
      @drpk6514 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Their website is still online

  • @LHyoutube
    @LHyoutube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    1:15 - OMG, the Dragon's reaction when the guy resumes and repeats the last part of his speech exactly word-for-word where he left off before the pause! 😂

  • @bfm1q2w
    @bfm1q2w 3 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    Gentlemen James, Theo “the fetus”, and Duncan “I’m oat” is the best line up.

  • @jamest3336
    @jamest3336 3 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    dude was way ahead of his time. hope he invested wisely into the modern electric car market

    • @zurie35
      @zurie35 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      He got arrested in usa for fraud, and for charging prostitutes as a business expense. His company was basically smoke and mirrors took the funding and blew it all.

    • @SuperYtc1
      @SuperYtc1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@zurie35 source?

    • @Jaymiecain1
      @Jaymiecain1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Electric cars have been around since 1960. He isn't ahead of anything.

    • @cwang6951
      @cwang6951 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Jaymiecain1 electric cars were invented before petrol powered cars. They were worried combustion engines would spook horses

    • @danielhornby5581
      @danielhornby5581 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@zurie35 That wasn’t this guy at all. It was the ZapGo chief of US operations, Charles Reznick. A completely different person!

  • @rkgaustin9043
    @rkgaustin9043 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    It doesn't have to be unique it just has to be comparable. if it's an electric car that has the range, comfort, and features people want they will buy it. Not everything needs to reinvent the wheel.

    • @jackpanther1889
      @jackpanther1889 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That is not the problem. The little amount of money is the problem.
      Whatever you do, big companies can do it better and more importantly CHEAPER. Because they can do it in much much higher quantity than you.
      That includes marketing.
      So with his 10million, he was simply trying to enter a market where multi-billion companies are competing with each others.

    • @jaymercer4692
      @jaymercer4692 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The point was is that any car company can piss out 10 mil as much as they want and they’re already in the position to create cars and have connections, branding, public awareness. If they don’t have a unique selling point no one will by it because they would buy from a company that has a reputation and will be able to make it cheaper. So unless they’ve got new technology like a driverless car or some battery technology the other companies can’t use. They won’t be able to do it.

    • @BOZ_11
      @BOZ_11 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jaymercer4692 shaddap about USP. u just need better execution to be profitable. cars are still 4 wheels and a chassis.

  • @thomasseitz9877
    @thomasseitz9877 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Peter looking in the air when he gets stuck and repeats family car as if he heard an echo. LOL

  • @RohitPant04
    @RohitPant04 3 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    I am glad James & Theo were critical of his pitch. Sometimes people need truth smacked at them. His company eventually dissolved but it was, in this moment on Dragon's Den, that he needed the criticism!

    • @GothamClive
      @GothamClive 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Their webpage is still up, on Wikipedia it says nothing about the company being dissolved and Top Gear reported that prototypes are produced and they will start production soon.

    • @mikegoddard263
      @mikegoddard263 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@GothamClive You may have them confused with a different company. This one was dissolved in 2011

    • @snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470
      @snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@GothamClive You're thinking of something else

    • @redblade8160
      @redblade8160 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GothamClive
      Don't go to "Wikipedia" for information, they are not a reliable source and they don't update information either...

    • @BenjaminGoose
      @BenjaminGoose ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GothamClive "Their webpage is still up" So?

  • @chadreshpatel2339
    @chadreshpatel2339 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Dragons were right. 10 millions is just a rounding error for automotive company. It's extremely expensive endeavour and technically very very difficult. It doesn't cover anything. Just land required to setup your own factory will be much much higher.

  • @monjue4459
    @monjue4459 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    0:59 + the next minute and peters face is gold.

  • @jasongoodacre
    @jasongoodacre 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    This must be pre-Tesla. Electric Cars used to be so ugly before Elon Musk.

    • @shogunero3.6
      @shogunero3.6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      They’re still ugly as sin

    • @JV-qh7ix
      @JV-qh7ix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They're still ugly af!

    • @DgtlOutcst
      @DgtlOutcst 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@A True Patriot They're not ugly. They're bland and soulless.

    • @Tom-zq6um
      @Tom-zq6um 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Although Tesla’s are better looking than this POS, they are still ugly cars eurgh

    • @benardo01
      @benardo01 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JV-qh7ix that's a matter of opinion

  • @Cloud__ffvii
    @Cloud__ffvii 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Haven’t seen the end of the video but I can guarantee James Caan was never gonna invest and never would do.

  • @nourm7008
    @nourm7008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I feel like some of these dragons are always finding excuses not to invest because they cannot afford it but still want to be on the show

    • @Cvs________
      @Cvs________ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Definitely the case with Deborah 😂

    • @irishdemon9346
      @irishdemon9346 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Talking sh1t kid.

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They didn't want to invest in this one because it's ridiculous to believe that you can develop a car company from scratch for £10M.

  • @FishFreddy
    @FishFreddy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    A car that sends a text message or e-mail when it needs service. Nobody was waiting for that since the car notifies you service is needed while driving or when you start it. Not when you are at home and it is turned off.

  • @stp22
    @stp22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Dyson lost half a billion pounds trying, it takes tens of billions to make a viable electric car

  • @rungeon83
    @rungeon83 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The dragons argument was "There are other people with ideas in this market place more further a head... give up on your dreams"

    • @StandardGoose
      @StandardGoose 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's actually good advice.

  • @93deadpool
    @93deadpool 3 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    Theo “If a car can’t be built in a day, I’m out” the Fetus.

    • @MCFC111
      @MCFC111 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Not, be he is very realistic, there are many companies behind the idea, and the big problem comes with the battery, he will do nothing with that money.

    • @midas6753
      @midas6753 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@MCFC111 this was in like 2007 wasn't it? Not very many at all back then... and of course elon came about and did exactly the same thing and we all know how that went

    • @CabbageYe
      @CabbageYe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@midas6753 what are you talking about. Tesla existed before Elon musk, he didn't create the company.

    • @midas6753
      @midas6753 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CabbageYe I know he bought the company I meant Tesla became super successful after that time frame where elon bought it.

    • @mjfilmmaker
      @mjfilmmaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Theo "Interchangable battery pack cars are not new" pathetics

  • @vaxes
    @vaxes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    They were all out as soon as he said £2.5mil.
    The Dragons might be rich, but they are not that rich

    • @jietroraximoff2805
      @jietroraximoff2805 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, when someone asks for that much for a business with no usp that the dragons could build themselves.

    • @GaryGoals
      @GaryGoals 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Peter Jones is. The others would need more than a TV pitch to bet 2.5m

    • @simonturners3339
      @simonturners3339 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Peter Jones and duncan(600m) are

  • @theovolz3073
    @theovolz3073 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    “I call it the Homer.....”

  • @himanshusoni1422
    @himanshusoni1422 3 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    This was way too big of an investment for Dragon's Den!
    Considering the highest investment being 120k, no way this pitch for 20 times the amount was going to be accepted.

    • @TheAbuFulaan
      @TheAbuFulaan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      This highest investment was actually above 200k, but I know what you mean, dragons den uk is not where the big money is spent, it’s shark tank America where big money is spent

    • @rustinpeace770
      @rustinpeace770 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      The highest accepted investment was £250,000.

    • @gmwdim
      @gmwdim 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      And at the same time the 2.5 million he’s asking for is too little for what he actually needs. You don’t go on a TV show to get the funding for a car company.

    • @Locutus
      @Locutus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@gmwdim I agree. The dragons are not the best ones for this investment. He needs to pitch to automotive investment funds. But at least, he gets exposure.

    • @CabbageYe
      @CabbageYe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheAbuFulaan British pounds is worth more than the US dollar

  • @And-rc9yy
    @And-rc9yy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    The sad thing is the government were prepared to give him a £7.5m grant

    • @keithsstepdad
      @keithsstepdad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it's not their money so they don't care. you and me all pay for a bloated useless government.

  • @GH0STRIDEZ
    @GH0STRIDEZ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    1:02 loved it how he just repeated what he said.

    • @LifeInPink999
      @LifeInPink999 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It means he memorized his presentation, I mean they all do practice but if it's your product and you know it from inside out may be they should not stick to a memorized presentation because then they froze because of nerves and it doesn't look good at all. Given my social anxiety, I just can’t talk in public without getting nervous and I had this ugly moments. First I tried to memorize everything like a poem and then tell it all and be done with it, but it kept happening because as I follow a mental index of my discourse if I froze I may not remember where I left or repeat the last phrase. So now when I do presentations of some college work I do prepare a speech but try not to repeat it word per word just have the main structure and then just explain them without memorizing it given it's something I worked on and I known about what I'm talking it's more difficult to have this ”I froze” moments as they really happen because you are extremely nervous and try to recite a monologue you memorized word by word and if you forget one you just don't know how to follow.

  • @Historelic
    @Historelic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    James Caan is the most polite and eloquent dragon

    • @AwesometownUSA
      @AwesometownUSA 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yep, the placement of the chair has changed, but the position of having one “polite and constructive” dragon was later filled by Nick and Tej and then Sara

  • @pilotactor777
    @pilotactor777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +434

    Elon musk is laughing his head off.

    • @andrewgreen9612
      @andrewgreen9612 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Wanted to see the first Elon comment. Second one in!

    • @roberttammymaisey9397
      @roberttammymaisey9397 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Umm isn't the model three in the UK like 46 thousand pound, verses what did he say 12 thousand pound correct me if I am wrong. mmmmm if he can produce a modest car for a family I am in, not all vehicles have changeable battery packs, plus model three has in car display issues , paint work and trim. Also Tesla model three has issues in cold climates. I do believe this would be on a watch list for Tesla.

    • @glennpowell3444
      @glennpowell3444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@roberttammymaisey9397 You are correct.The big barrier with all EV,s are still price.Love them but way outside the average mans pocket still. Batteries still an issue.And a question no one asks is if every vehicle in the world becomes an EV how will electricity demand cope from the grid?I the UK we already import via cable a lot of sparks from France as it is.All their power stations are nuclear.

    • @glennpowell3444
      @glennpowell3444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hiya,thanks for your comment. It makes a lot of sense in terms of drawing off the Grid.To be honest I assume that EV,s use a 13 amp supply but I may be wrong. Either way EV,s are the future. The internal combustion engine is in its swansong now and battery development is evolving fast.

    • @jimmynich4791
      @jimmynich4791 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@glennpowell3444 Petrol could already have been replaced a long time ago but I guess it hasn't yet because of money. There are a few cars run on gas and I think methanol engines could be mainstream by now if they were really invested in.

  • @pacificanorthwest1015
    @pacificanorthwest1015 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Try pitching it to Boris... anyone who can waste 14 billion on unfit for purpose track 'n' trace schemes would be more than happy to stump up 2.5 million quid on a Tonka car.

    • @Venom-xd9st
      @Venom-xd9st 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If Boris didn’t try to introduce a flawed track and trace system, he’d be criticised. When he did release this flawed system (in par with other European countries) he gets criticised. People never satisfied nowadays.

    • @benardo01
      @benardo01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Venom-xd9st even if it had been better than European countries it still wouldn't be "good enough"

    • @oxymoron02
      @oxymoron02 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Venom-xd9st Found the sycophantic, "I've always voted Tory even though they've never done anything for me" voter.

    • @Venom-xd9st
      @Venom-xd9st 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@oxymoron02 your about 6 months too late for me to care buddy :)

  • @peterinfamilyguy
    @peterinfamilyguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    That must be the ugliest concept of a car and the worst name for an EV company ever :/

    • @Ryanjoned163
      @Ryanjoned163 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Like you're mother

    • @TheByard
      @TheByard 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How about the Vietnamese car maker VINFAST.

  • @momentumcharting6700
    @momentumcharting6700 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    If anyone comes to you pitching an electric car company with a non-working prototype, or even Worse, a PICTURE of a prototype, RUN as fast as you can.

  • @oliverjenks2021
    @oliverjenks2021 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love people who keep updated on this business

  • @keefedonk
    @keefedonk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Surely when Theo is pushing for the USP, the chap had already mentioned it? Didn't he say that they were going to use a twin motor system that was unique to them? And isnt that a technology Tesla have gone on to use with great success?

    • @Ass_Burgers_Syndrome
      @Ass_Burgers_Syndrome 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep. That was the first thing I thought of when he said it lol.

  • @MrSponkie
    @MrSponkie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Theo is right... Tesla is killing it now.

  • @bannjaxx
    @bannjaxx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    "Whats the USP?"
    "Exchangeable battery packs."
    "Everyone has that."
    Who? Who has that?

    • @BR1883FC
      @BR1883FC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly. Would like to see Theo get his toolkit out and quickly swap a Tesla battery over. But the bloke pitching here was still a complete chancer, he thinks he's going to take on global car brands and get ahead of them with a total budget that probably wouldn't keep some of their big plants operational for a week.

  • @skelleton2374
    @skelleton2374 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My 6 year old son has that same car, cost £30 and came with remote control......for that reason I'm out.

  • @mella206
    @mella206 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    fancy spending and getting 10 million on doing this and then its already come out a year before 🤣

  • @emmanuelezenwere
    @emmanuelezenwere 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I totally dislike the way the dragons treated him.
    $10M for an electric car startup is peanut.
    A unique design language can be a very strong usp when paired with standard technology.

    • @barsnack7999
      @barsnack7999 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      hahahahaha

    • @andrewjones-productions
      @andrewjones-productions 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      £10 million (GBP) not $10 million (USD).

    • @emmanuelezenwere
      @emmanuelezenwere 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrewjones-productions thanks for pointing that out

    • @7-up813
      @7-up813 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Of course it's peanut that's the point they were making, that it's not enough to compete with the budgets of multi-billion dollar corporations. Unique design is very easily copyable, too. So not being first to market + microscopic budget + no automotive experience = no chance it would succeed even with their money.

    • @vibovitold
      @vibovitold 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @St Cloud Tesla is losing hundreds of millions every year

  • @singleservingjack4547
    @singleservingjack4547 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    1:04 When you're trying to pitch to the Dragons but you realise its remembrance day

  • @UmarB97
    @UmarB97 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    James "I'm itching to give it to you" Khan

    • @Dadaadad268
      @Dadaadad268 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rub some cream on it first mate

  • @diggintheblueswithaparrot1329
    @diggintheblueswithaparrot1329 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If he could sync the car with the flow signals….

  • @greebo3k635
    @greebo3k635 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    So annoying when Theo sits and plays with his money after telling someone where to go

  • @octap79
    @octap79 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2024 and I am watching this pitch on my brand new BeeOne cruising in the West Midlands. Amazing car, and for only 12.990

  • @krakrug3958
    @krakrug3958 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The company was dissolved in 2010 - just a year after this pitch

  • @matthewethanclaud3329
    @matthewethanclaud3329 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    1:04 im pretty sure he's a robot. Dude literally buffered.

  • @graham9352
    @graham9352 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Jenny would of invested the 2.5 million

  • @bigh236
    @bigh236 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    They was never going to invest. Way to much money for them

  • @jasont4400
    @jasont4400 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The dragons missed out on a big opportunity here, they clearly had no real idea about the electric car market at the time or even the general car marker... that would’ve been far ahead of all competition for years in the electric market....

  • @Khonnell66
    @Khonnell66 3 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    You know who this young man is?
    Elon Musk, now look at him.

    • @claudiakenworthy2954
      @claudiakenworthy2954 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hahaha

    • @Khonnell66
      @Khonnell66 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Hopecycle12345 It was a joke. A Christmas joke.

    • @AndyLowe-net
      @AndyLowe-net 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Hopecycle12345 thanks for pointing that out

  • @6611haggis
    @6611haggis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    5.50 - 8.18. The Fetus at his most ruthless.

  • @AvaliOnZone
    @AvaliOnZone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    This is absurd, Some of the biggest spenders in research and development are car companies. Just Google biggest R&D spender, you have Volkswagen, Daimler who owns Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, BMW and more. These companies spend billions of dollars, with decades of experience and thousands of patents, with the best brains in the world working for them. I do believe in miracles and people beating fortune 500 companies from something they started in their garage but that's 1 in a million. For every 1 company that becomes successful and goes to earn millions, hundreds of thousands fail.

    • @TheBengalDragon
      @TheBengalDragon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And for some surprising reason that one in 1 million is most likely not going to be British 99 out of 100 times. Wonder what went wrong

    • @jholworld
      @jholworld 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have worked for two of these automotive companies in the electrical domain. These automotive bigwigs are OEM's which means they essential integrate systems and hardly anything of value on there (except engine for few) is made by the oem's. They buy off suppliers and employ thousands of engineers to do the paperwork, liability, testing etc. Decades of experience means didly squat if the best R&D they can still come up with is a combustion engine which at best is 20% efficient when car drive in straight line with no resistance which means 80% of energy is lost. That's why i love tesla. When tesla came out i was working for this one british oem and I remember the director saying in passing that look at the audacity of tesla trying to compete with us and laughing. Now who's laughing! They are all playing catch up with tesla electric tech. Don't forget that as smaller companies with unique offering you have first mover advantage and low overheads which means you can sell for less.

  • @PanPuchacki
    @PanPuchacki 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    People don't see the other picture of the electric car scam. Sourcing cobalt and other minerals, for instance, required for batteries will expand mining and polution itself.

  • @RunThermal
    @RunThermal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This guy could have beaten Tesla to the electric car market had the dragons gone in

  • @robertglennyoung3905
    @robertglennyoung3905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Jenny invested and owns half of the California burger chain, In and out, she owns the out part!

  • @longq5198
    @longq5198 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For someone who's been around. Certainly successful in business. What's with the awkward pause at the beginning.

  • @Kreska0
    @Kreska0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Electric car that can fit the whole family for 12k ?? Sign me in !

  • @sm112
    @sm112 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Whenever the asking price is high, dragons will find any reasons not to invest

  • @harlyslamm2888
    @harlyslamm2888 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dyson: We have set aside £2.5B to develop a new electric car, but this isn't enough money so we are putting this car on hold
    Stephen Voller: Well I can do it all for £10M...

  • @marpag123
    @marpag123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I bought one of the 1st Bee electric cars, Omg so good. Its still going strong and saving me a fortune, it's actually gone up in value so hang on to them guys !

    • @oxymoron02
      @oxymoron02 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      It's impossible to tell sarcasm on the internet.

  • @scottyk200
    @scottyk200 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No need to be so harsh on him. Ok they didn’t agree, and had valid points, but no need to talk to him like that.

  • @joecurran2811
    @joecurran2811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Given that his company went under, did this poor guy lose it all?

    • @paulpings
      @paulpings 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Doubtful, but anyone with shares in it did, the usual way

    • @josephchristianson3001
      @josephchristianson3001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stephen was the only shareholder, and the last set of accounts before the voluntary strike-off show accumulated losses of £32,776.

  • @pippipster6767
    @pippipster6767 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Can almost feel the suicidal depression emanating from this man.

  • @kcc-karenschroniccorner9432
    @kcc-karenschroniccorner9432 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Another one who would rather prove them wrong than listen to their advice.

    • @hansiesma16
      @hansiesma16 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He's so heavily invested. He's looking at walking away from the half a million he has already sunk in if he listens to their advice.

    • @garnhamr
      @garnhamr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thing is though. The dragons spew out these bold claims and opinions based on very limited conversation. If all it takes is a few words for people to give up on what they're doing, nothing would get done. I mean wtf do the dragons know about it? perhaps they do know but perhaps they don't is all i'm saying. You just can't give up because someone thinks you're wrong.

    • @hansiesma16
      @hansiesma16 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@garnhamr Don't forget that he has probably been in there for a couple of hours. And deep down he probably knows he doesn't have enough money. The dragons will know a lot about it; they are experts in the mechanics of business and investment. And even me, with my limited knowledge of the car industry, knows that in this particular industry £10 million is diddley squat. I think most people will cling to their dream no matter what advice to the contrary they receive. Human nature to make your own mistakes, and not learn from them.

    • @infiltr80r
      @infiltr80r 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Plenty of crap advice given on this show. The "dragons" are just people, many got rich by being very lucky as well. They have a long list of failures themselves.

    • @hansiesma16
      @hansiesma16 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@infiltr80r yeah the harder they worked the luckier they got!

  • @zakdaviesa
    @zakdaviesa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Surely this was the basis for Harry Enfields sketch of the show

  • @Producer.Imdad_Khan
    @Producer.Imdad_Khan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It’s not the entrepreneurs fault if the dragons cannot afford to invest right.

  • @MrWindermere123
    @MrWindermere123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I baled out - I don't like the humiliation of a nervous person. Why not edit that out and let him start again?

  • @strudyamol
    @strudyamol 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    This was well ahead of its time and dragons clearly had no clue what they were talking. IOT was unheard of at the time.

    • @7-up813
      @7-up813 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      OnStar (very popular system to connect with outside system) came out in the 90s. Also if you can afford an electric car, you own a cellphone which already has 3G. If you own a laptop (quite expensive back then) you also probably work in IT and are supplied a mobile internet card already.

    • @Thomastm33
      @Thomastm33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He didnt mention the specifics about his pitch at all. If he described this battery he may have had a USP.

    • @7-up813
      @7-up813 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Thomastm33 He did and Theo said all the major car companies offer it already

    • @Jim-so3zm
      @Jim-so3zm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So ahead of its time that it went nowhere

  • @ojoreuben2948
    @ojoreuben2948 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The amount of money he asked for low key scared them to be honest

  • @TheManInBlueFlames
    @TheManInBlueFlames 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    *Make the UK Car Industry Great Again! MUCIGA! 2020!*

    • @oxymoron02
      @oxymoron02 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      UK is already an acronym, so you'd include the K as well.

  • @daviddeida
    @daviddeida 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Looks a bit small to me..

  • @xPylet
    @xPylet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I kinda miss Jenny being out before it even starts

  • @petecoventry6858
    @petecoventry6858 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    7:45 bollox Theo - Renault did it with the Fluence and they are now talking of doing it with the ZOE - No one else has ever done it.

  • @obsidianstatue
    @obsidianstatue 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    There's a difference between making claims and promises and actually delivering on it
    The automotive industry is notoriously difficult to enter
    in China you have ev brands like NIO, who has already perfected battery change technology, but they needed over a billion dollars worth of investment from the Chinese government to get through their hard patch in 2019
    Then you have Wuling EV, which sells for $4000 USD in China, but they had the backing of SAIC shanghai, General Motors, and Wuling, 3 giant established automakers.
    And you expect the Dragons to put 2.8 million into his dream? Theo was absolutely right, he is absolutely delusional to think 10 million is enough to produce a certified EV in 2 years.
    Other things aside, the small size of his pitch, means he'll get the leftover scraps in battery, and semiconductors, there is also no EV supply chain in the UK, pretty much all the batteries are made in China, even German brands like BMW, and Mercedes Benz are buying from China.
    So there is no way he can make his pitch viable in the UK
    10 million is good for a electric bike/scooter startup, not a full on car

  • @PhotoBrad
    @PhotoBrad ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm shocked no one asked about the costs of building a factory and all the very expensive tooling and other gear that will be needed before the first car is built. Was he planning to personally build the car in his garage at home?

    • @peanutmansemporiumofrandom7472
      @peanutmansemporiumofrandom7472 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey; Newton, Edison and Franklin all worked from home centuries ago and invented tech still used today. 🤝

  • @royalhero4608
    @royalhero4608 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    David Starkey really is a man of all trades

    • @Drakshl
      @Drakshl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I now cant unsee it

    • @liddybug8311
      @liddybug8311 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was thinking Christopher Walken myself lol

  • @IR17171717
    @IR17171717 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Our car has quatro-synchronized, dynamic world-traversing technology with seamless vehicle integration"
    "You mean wheels?"

  • @spinalcrackerbox
    @spinalcrackerbox 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    "Bee Automotives dissolved in 2010 soon after his disastrous TV appearance.
    “The thing with Dragons’ Den is you know it’s not real,” Mr Voller told BusinessCloud. “There’s no such thing as a den. It’s a TV studio and this is all an act.
    “It was certainly an experience and a really interesting one. It’s not something I’d choose to repeat.” "
    LOL - obviously, the dragons were right about everything.

  • @jaffrysignsup4906
    @jaffrysignsup4906 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why is Raymond Redington asking Dragons to fund his startup? 🤣😂

  • @lasarith2
    @lasarith2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    James Caan was a dragon from 2007-2010 on Dragons den, (so this pitch falls somewhere between then )
    Tesla started in 2003 but didn’t produce a car until 2008- 2010, for all those asking where was Tesla .

    • @nanathegoat5106
      @nanathegoat5106 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which shows how difficult it is. It won't work for £10m

  • @beeble2003
    @beeble2003 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm surprised nobody yelled at him when he claimed he'd be able to produce a thousand of these cars a month. He has a whole car factory just waiting to go?!?

  • @architverma862
    @architverma862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Who's other one thinking about Elon musk while watching this😅

    • @lennycruz4558
      @lennycruz4558 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me 😁

    • @artful1967
      @artful1967 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I try never to think about that arrogant , vile, manipulative little troll

  • @grammarofficerkrupke4398
    @grammarofficerkrupke4398 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    His USP is the price! Why didn't he say that?

  • @onejediboi
    @onejediboi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    1:05 don't worry guys it was just mic delay

  • @sushimamba4281
    @sushimamba4281 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Spinal Tap 'Stonehenge' moment: the car in the background is the actual finished car.

  • @KingUnKaged
    @KingUnKaged 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man, if Sir James Dyson, the richest man in the UK, couldn't manage starting an electric car company from scratch with hundreds of times the startup capital, I have serious doubts about this guy...

    • @supertramp6011
      @supertramp6011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dyson products are total garbage.

  • @ambientauras
    @ambientauras 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Theo single handedly put the EV market back 10 years. We still don’t have interchangeable battery powered cars. Then again maybe that’s bc it doesn’t work 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @TheUfoBusters
    @TheUfoBusters 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This guy was ahead of his time, the dragons are old money and cannot understand. It’s a shame he didn’t get the chance.

    • @johntwomey6858
      @johntwomey6858 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He went bankrupt in that particular company in 2 years and started a new company who also went bankrupt he left his investors in a huge pile of debt and people being owed multiple millions

    • @dac8939
      @dac8939 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are all first generation wealth - except Deborah