Maybe you could have had beerus come during the 7 year time skip. The plot of becoming ssg would require less saiyans for the ritual. Training with whis would have been similar to what goku and vegeta endured in super. By the time the buu arc starts, goku would have had some knowledge of ui which would make sense since hes been training with whis. Once again, for the plot, buu could have been made to rival ss blue.
@SamBoy 777 I shouldn't have to explain this, especially when 26 other liked the comment in agreement. It may not be a what if for beerus, but for this what if there has to be a PLOT change
@@ndiaz1982 your idea just changes a lot of the set dbz parts rather than just changing a ton of stuff beerus would just come early they can't do the ritual and train with whis within the android timeskip since thats the only time avaliable with the idea of whis training them to fight beerus which just makes these two roll through the series
PERFECT!!! 12 mins ago this was posted and i was just completing a salad saying video, looking for other "(full story)"s to watch! (even tho i have already watched this ;)
Man, this basically happened in XenoVerse 2 (thanks to Fu saving Goku from Dabura). Was amazing to see that CG animation of UI Omen Goku taking out Kid Buu.
From a martial arts standpoint I feel as Ultra Instinct could work in Original Dragon Ball since Ultra Instinct does return to original martial arts based combat. Master Roshi displayed an ability to use this technique in the Tournament Of Power located in the manga but this was the last time. Goku taking his training to the next level while training under Master Roshi would be interesting for the next three years deciding to instead rely on his senses and instincts instead of thinking. And over time allow this martial art training to develop and become more used to the point it is mastered.
Yes.The key to UI is completely calm your mind,heart and let instincts do the work. UI is a technique so yes humans can achieve it.From the beginning of DB Popo,Master Roshi were giving the principles of UI to Goku.
@@Divinerosegokublackindeed but what roshi tried to get goku to is fighters instinct aka what he has, and polpo just wanted him to be aware, so with the training with whis he got it because whis taught him both. So indeed goku was setup for ui really early on
And wouldn't the fish on a stick say something about someone eventually unlocking UI as well? Edit: after 10 months of seeking knowledge and information, through all the blood sweat and tears, I have discovered that the fish on the stick is called the oracle fish
I love how Goku in UI acts like vegeta more than himself He's like really serious and doesn't pay attention to stupid matters that honestly wouldn't matter
I feel like a good way to keep the “there’s no way for him to have this by now” aspect you mentioned would have been to make it where the Spirit Bomb does grant him UI for a bit… just to have his back burst like in the ToP and him dying. He got a power he wasn’t ready for and paid the price.
@@calebcamp2458 OH NO GOKU'S DEAD AGAIN!!! Anyways Bulma you got the balls at your place? Alright bet let's pick him up some food. Dying makes people hungry
Should do a what if similar to this with Vegeta and Goku getting they're pinnacle forms ultra ego and ultra instinct respectively maybe with the Buu arc
I wished the story got a retcon just because with all the new information we got in the manga this story could've turned out even better, yall agree or am.i just crazy 🤔🤯
I know this pretty much wash What if, until Black or Cell, but. What if Gohan Rage boost was always the same (1307x during during Raditz getting headbutt by him). Other ideas. What if Dr. Gero was a Ally. What if Demon King Piccolo was released early in original DB. What if Future Timeline fused with a Past during Android Saga. What if Zamasu went too far back and became Kid Goku. what if farmer became z fighter.
I gotta say this now, how does goku black ever get ui, just because goku can doesn't mean goku black can, zamasu never had that type of training nor has that mindset, we see this from vegeta, gokus greatest rival
@@williamgolston5399i know this is like 2 weeks later of a reply but dont you need a clear mind or be clear of thoughts or like calm or smth to access mui/ui
A good What if would be what if Goku was the prince of all Saiyans Vegeta being Bardocks Son, Goku being King Vegetas but they have their signature looks and powers at birth
@@m3cha131 yes he would, goku was the weakest saiyan child and his dad had a pl of around 12k so goku shoulda at least had 100 minimum, he had 2. king vegetas pl was only like 16-20k. so no
You're a beast at coming up with stories, here's one I think you could definitely take on. So I'm the Season finale of Marvel's What If, different versions of hero's are brought together to take on Ultron. You can watch it to kinda get where I'm going with this. You have made so many different stories that make great changes to different characters, Awakened Android Tien. God ki piccolo, U7 Jiren, supreme Kai Vegeta, Young Roshi, and so on. I think you should try to do a story where all these different versions have to come together to defeat a villain, I notice you don't really touch the Super Dragon Ball Heroes anime promotion, but I think for something like this cross multiverse mashup to work you might have to. It can take place after the ends of all your What If scenarios. You can choose which ones. I'd say don't try to make duplicates of characters who aren't changed that much. Like Kakarot and Goku are technically different. Legendary Super Saiyan Goku would be different as well, try to make the Z fighter team with different versions from your other what ifs, basically have them fight Fu, or Hearts, or whoever, there's a lot of leg room using villains from Super Dragon Ball Heroes, hell maybe even incorporate villains from Xenoverse. You're talented enough to make it work. Plus it would be a good promotion for your what ifs for people who watch it but haven't see the others, they can see U7 Jiren and be like "I'm interested in seeing his story and they can go and watch that series for the first time generating more views and awareness. I really hope you see this and think about this concept, hell even add Salad to it too. I think it'd be one Banger of a series to tackle. I'd love it and I'd love to see original arcs. You're good at original arcs. I hope you consider it.
In xenoverse 2 really he’s just a guy who wants to have fun experiments while Messi with timelines one he brought tapion to the goku black arc and jiren just for fun no matter what side you on you get a fun fight so maybe saw all those timelines and saw a timeline that needed some help and sent them to that timeline for a few adventures
I think Vegeta would be a god of destruction candidate (with ultra ego and hakai) by the tournament of power. By the end of the Morro arc or before Goku would probably master UI omen perfectly so that it is always active with very minimal strain. In the manga he can combine omen and other transformations which I think he would also be able to do at this point. I still don't know where ultra ego leads at this point but I think using this Vegeta would be able to use ikari to channel his rage and battle lust. By the Granola arc they would both be overwhelming stronger than in canon.
What if SS was just like SSG? Meaning SSG is at least a 20,000 times multiplier. Every level of SS would be another 20,000 times multiplier including SS4 (make it canon please)
Oh god no. I made a lowball using a SS3 Vegito, and using mine, SS WOULD BE 160000X! NO VILLAIN UNTIL BEERUS WOULD BE A THREAT! AND BEYOND HIM, NO ONE NOT EVEN JIREN
Loved every minute of this! Imma just jot down some ideas that may or may not be cool~ 1. What if Jiren and Goku met before TOP? (Could have them meet as early as you wanted, and perhaps give Jiren a small tip on Goku's power/give Goku a small tip on Jiren's power. This could mean that Jiren may feel the need to train even more before the TOP, thus pacing with UI Goku better, or Goku could understand the gap between them and train more before the TOP) 2. What if Beerus killed Bulma? (Now, this may seem a little crazy, but instead of just slapping Bulma what if Beerus was enraged enough to actually kill her? This would all trickle down to Vegeta going bezerk, losing, and being subdued long enough by the other z-fighters for the normal Battle of God's story to commence whenever Goku swoops in and challenges Beerus. Although at the end, while Beerus would ultimately decide to spare the Earth because of his great fight with Goku, both Vegeta and Goku would be far more dismayed and hateful towards Beerus. Perhaps Vegeta could even plan on secretly overtaking Beerus, or at the very least collaborate with Whiis only and not show Beerus the same respect that he did in canon. Just a few thoughts, UvU) 3. What if Goku became a kid again right before the Radit'z Ark? (So just like in GT, Goku is accidentally wished to be a kid again-a few months after Gohan is born and right before Radit'z comes to Earth. Now, Goku is stuck in this body, and he has to face Raditz and the other Sayains while being stuck in this body... And this could all snowball until, after Piccolo dies before the year on the Earth Dragon Balls are reset, he is forced to go to Namek and face the Freiza force while still being stuck as a kid. This could make for some interesting dynamics and perhaps even different interactions with Vegeta, Raditz, and Nappa-and the other fighters, of course. Idk, but it just seems like a cool idea!) Thazzz all! Hope these ideas interested someone!
the only one I can't agree with is the 3rd bc i don't think it will change the story that much besides making freiza way madder and probably killing gohan which has already been done
@@nigelo Hmm, yeah I see what you mean. Maybe Goku being a kid could make Vegeta mellow up faster and keep Nappa/Vegeta both alive to fight Freiza, which would be interesting. Or maybe being a kid could nerf Goku a little and slow the progress of his strength throughout, and it could play on Piccolo's character and Future Trunks/the heart virus and stuff. I feel like there's some ways to change the little intricate details which would be neat, but I do agree that it would take a lot of creativity to really change the story as a whole.
I thought of this 21 hours after watching this. What if trunks didn’t go back to the past. Trunks believed at first that he changed the past by going. But intact cell was already there. You could say that trunks showing up created the scenario of cell showing up 4 years earlier since bulma didn’t get a call about the second one until after trunks shows up but if it’s multi universe theory then it might have been there already. Or because the my decided to show up and didn’t change their minds afterwards cell appeared there because of that choice. I think it would be a fun scenario.
I have one thought wouldn't goku still try learning the hakai since its still beneficial even with MUI and he already had a basic idea of it so it should go a bit faster than vegeta especially if we assume the universal assassins arrive with a hakai for goku to basically analyze, we could assume vegeta has a more refined version but goku can still erase almost anything making Moro even more fodder in the end fight
ultra instinct isn't a power up from a rage boost like super saiyan or anything like that. it's required that you must specifically train for it in order to achieve it unless you are an angel
He can get the human version, just not the divine version, technically he already had it thanks to Popo, and his other masters, but dbz gave up on true martial arts, and focused on big ki blast. At least not until he either gets ssjg or masters Whis’s training, honestly the only problem Goku would have is not having a body that can handle the God’s ultra instinct, but that’s debatable since Roshi can easily use it, but need to have it so his perverted mind cannot interfere.
I just had a random thought about the future timeline, I feel as if Goku still might try and get the Zeno to meet. Also Goku shouldn’t be able to kill merged zamasu since beerus himself says he can’t kill immortals. So the Zeno I think would still end up in our hero’s timeline.
It would make more sense if he went super saiyan god in the Buu saga, because there could be enough saiyans giving him energy for the final spirit bomb and accidentally completig the ritual without knowing it if you do the scenario right, like bringing back dead saiyans like raditz to fight Cell.
Someone who is really good at animation should animate the fight between UI Goku vs Kid Buu... the kick around the planet to backhand would be awesome to see
Here's a silly idea. What if Reimu Hakurei fought Cell instead of Gohan. She hears a rumor that the occult balls, when gathered can grant any wish and in doing so, is temporarily transported outside Gensokyo's barrier because they don't actuality grant wishes. Touhou Project has it's fair share of references to other popular media so it got me thinking about a wacky what if.
Ok so this is an idea I've wanted to talk about and I think it would be an interesting rabbit hole to go down. Reincarnation of Raditz, basically take the concept of "That Time I got reincarnated as Yamcha" spinoff manga and make it someone from our world with at least a good amount of knowledge on Dragon Ball and it's spinoffs who has been reincarnated as the brother of Kakarot. I'm imagining my own take on it with a Raditz reincarnation who is very self conscious and worried he might mess up with future during his time on the Frieza Force while he waits for the time to actually kickstart the events of DBZ. When he reaches the point of death at the hands of Piccolo and Goku he is incredibly scared, even though he died before he was reincarnated as Raditz, it's still not something he'd want to get used too. But he did have a plan to make sure he doesn't end up in hell for his crimes during the Frieza Force, even though he didn't want to. He reaches the front while Kami and Goku talk to King Yemma about sending Goku to King Kai so he can fight the Saiyans and the reincarnated Raditz interjects with an offer. He would help Goku become even stronger as a sparing partner in exchange for not going to hell, the prospect of having the strongest guy he currently knows gets the Saiyan blood in Goku boiling as he decides to agree. While more hesitant King Yemma agrees to spare the Saiyan under the promise Raditz will be no longer commits any real sins, but the first sign of evil will immediately damn his soul to hell for all eternity to which Raditz agrees to these terms and accepts. From that point things go normally as the two reach King Kai and begin training, while Goku learns the Spirit Bomb and Kaioken, Raditz turns his focus to a form of interest to him Ikari and does eventually find a way to unlock the form... Kinda. It's worth noting Ikari seems to have two stages, the initial stage which Raditz has reached and the second stage that everyone is more familiar with. Raditz is unable to reach the second stage and theorizes it's due to lacking the true berserker Legendary Super Saiyan rage Broly had. In terms of a power boost it's only half as strong as the Great Ape's 10x multiplier at 5x, but as a tradeoff it's not as hard to control the rage though it's a bit tricky at first for Raditz but he has an idea. Taking a page out of Goku's book, he decides to spend a lot of his time in the transformation learning to control it more and more and maintain it for longer and longer periods of time. Similar to what Goku and Gohan did with Super Saiyan in the Cell Saga during their year in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Considering the first stage Ikari form isn't as rage heavy nor as hard to control as the Super Saiyan form, he masters it much faster in a about 3 to 4 months. As he and Goku train together both would become notably stronger than Goku did in canon after training with King Kai alone, he also masters the Kaioken x5 in order to match Raditz. As Goku is about to be revived, Goku tells his friends to also revive Raditz while vouching that he has seemingly changed for the better. Now that Raditz no longer has to worry about screwing up the timeline since at this point he's already doing it, he's become more relaxed and more like his old self though still training hard for the upcoming battle. Things would go smoothly through the Saiyan Saga as not much would change as Goku challenges Vegeta alone while Raditz watches from a distance and only hops in with his Ikari form to match Vegeta's Great Ape, though he struggles considering Vegeta is still the stronger of the two in base power and multiplier but he was merely stalling for time so Vegeta's tail would be cut off by Yajirobe. After that Vegeta crawls into his Space Pod, swearing revenge after Goku spares him. When it's time for the Namek Saga Raditz would help Gohan, Krillin, and Bulma as the only one alive with the power to rival Goku currently. Things would go mostly the same as Raditz would have his potential unlocked, gaining a great power boost like Krillin and Gohan as things go like canon up until it's time to fight Frieza and while he was a bit cocky with the emperor's forces he knew Frieza was a completely different beast and knew just how much stronger he was than him. He would die to Frieza's hands alongside Vegeta as they both tell Goku about Frieza and that he destroyed Planet Vegeta. He would remain dead until the Namekian Dragon Balls revived them and sent the two to Earth, but not before getting an Ikari powered potshot at Frieza. After that I have a few ideas. Mainly following Raditz taking up a job at Capsule Corp to deliver packages quickly thanks to his speed and strength catching the eye of a certain female researcher, the DBZ Kakarot version of Android 21 and they have a daughter Raditz names Rapunzel Cell has Raditz's memories and DNA thus he turns that future knowledge into a double edge sword and combines his Super Perfect form with the Ikari form and kills SSJ2 Gohan forcing Raditz to reach Super Saiyan 2 himself and use the Ikari form on top of it. After winning Raditz becomes the new rival Vegeta sets his sights on since Goku chooses to stay dead. The Buu Saga is mostly the same up until Babidi tries to take control of Vegeta but since Vegeta has become satisfied with his battles against Raditz and finally moving on from his hatred of Kakarot. However Babidi senses some despair and fear within Raditz due to him not fully letting go of his past life and it weighs him down thus he is the one to become a Majin and reveals a power he unlocked in secret during the 7 Years, Super Saiyan 4 forcing Goku and Vegeta to fuse into Gogeta to face him unlocking Majin Buu much earlier than canon. He is eventually able to let go of it like Vegeta did with Kakarot though. Overall I'd say he does become a main character he doesn't always be the one to finish the main antagonist of the arc off like Goku does and instead only really steals Cell from Gohan but in a way that narratively makes sense. I could go on with other ideas but yeah I'm just rambling. I do have an idea for a power that combines Super Saiyan God and the Great Ape called Super Saiyan 4 God not to be confused with the Limit Breaker form as that's more like SSJ4 using godly ki, this is more like a combination of the two forms that Super Saiyan can be combined with to create a form weaker than Blue but not as draining to use nor requires as much concentration.
I would say that Cell never happened because Future Trunks kills Frieza, and then in response to the Android warning, Raditz suggests the SSG Ritual, with Trunks as the focus. Nappa is still alive, making the Ritual viable, since they'd have 6 Saiyans with Future Trunks. All the others get Super Saiyan instantly, and Trunks becomes a God. He wrecks the Androids, and Base Form Cell is unable to kill him, because he's too overwhelmingly powerful for even SP Cell. This means that they only have to deal with 17 and 18 in the past, because Cell never shows up, but when Trunks returns, he explains that he ran into Cell in the future, so they need to obliterate all of Gero's lab. Baby Cell is killed, 17 and 18 are reprogrammed by Bulma to have free will, and the Android Saga is over. The timeline skips directly to Buu, because no Cell.
If this was real he would have died and also even if good actually accessed it the strain would be too much and he’d die because he wouldn’t be strong enough to Handle the power
Good to see, as much as the buu saga is a joke here, have you thought of a mini series in which Vegetas final explosion versus Buu in which he would be allowed to train with goku in the afterlife until BOG/beerus awakening.
Ok, so I've realized that ultra instinct is not entirely efficient. He is expending a ton of energy with the aura and heat. What if mastered ultra instinct isn't truly mastered and he can push it further, suppressing the aura and heat.
Well you're correct. Even though it's called "mastered" ultra, it still isn't mastered. Goku can't tap into it at will and only can with omen. There is definitely a greater power. An example of this is in the manga when Golu used MUI against Whis, and still gets absolutely destroyed without landing a hit. And whis said himself that grand priest is way stronger than him. So yes you can definitely surpass ultra instinct.
At 9:44 in the video while goku is fighting Frieza, Salad Saiyan said, “this SAIYAN has gotten extremely fast.” I think the ACTUAL Frieza would’ve said, “this MONKEY has gotten extremely fast.”😂😂
Something that interests me is that there are people that can appose Ultra Instinct. I'm not talking about other Ultra Instinct users, but people that are very powerful in their own right, but by what we know of UI, they should've never been a problem. Jiren is a different story. Goku was using UI in basically a beginner state, but you can't tell me that unless it's against another UI user, someone like Whis or Vados would be able to lose to anyone, even energy absorbing opponents because UI isn't about energy or emotion (besides the calmness of the technique), it's about flow, balance, and well, instinct. Why else would Roshi be considered a possible candidate for the usage of UI? Roshi uses Ki based attacks, but he isn't a Ki user like Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, or even one of his own kind, Krillin.
Worth noting that this series was made over a year ago before Ultra Ego was introduced 🗿
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Xenoverse 2 writers: “write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN”
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This is facts😂
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@@Notsosuper768 ? Do stealing db things?
Salad Saiyan's what if of this has been confirmed and used in Xenoverse 2! Give this man a round of applause!!!!
Indeed his what its are so good that even xenoverse took notes
What?
@@xkynnn_1 meant what ifs
Wait fr? Which mission?
Nvm, just read some other comments, its a new expansion
Finally, I can now binge watch Goku’s Dragon Ball Super Speedrun (MUI%)
Now to make a Tool Assist Speedrun where I sequence break and get Super Saiyan Blue in the Frieza Saga for both Goku and Vegeta.
@Khanh Dang Phuc No, I must go further beyond and reach Mastered Ultra Instinct X100 Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 4 Evolved
@Khanh Dang Phuc Angle level ultra instic ssb90evolved rose 76 ultra ego kaiokenx1000000000000000000
@Khanh Dang Phuc So Cell just dominates poor Gohan?
@Khanh Dang Phuc ultra rapstinct
“If goku fell into the spirit bomb, he’d just die.”
2022 Xenoverse:allow us to introduce ourselves.
Im pretty sure he wouldnt really die since he doesnt have an evil chi.
@@EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE24He doesn’t need an evil ki, the sheer power of the bomb would immediately destroy his body
@@dumbbacon9777 thats true too but yk what happened in the android 13 movie
I'm thinking that vegeta would've gotten ultra ego early in this scenario if salad had updated it
yeah u are right
And then my boy would be back on top again😎
@@Artsig06 Not really...
True, this was made before Ultra Ego 🗿
@@SaladSaiyan bruh boi what da hell boi
The fact that he puts effort and detail constantly does this is impressive keep up the work
Coming back to this video after watching the reveal trailer for the story expansion for Xenoverse 2 makes me believe Salad Saiyan is a psychic
This type of content is incredible.
@Ты клоун 28:47-28:48 I like that
No trash actual garbage
Yup, Dragonball is pretty amazing 👌
@@ritiksharma4758 what you mean
True
This is definitely a “ wrong power up “ situation.
This aged like fine wine.
Lebron James upside down thursday
@@SlewG is this a call for help? what possessed you to utter these words from your own two lips.
This What-If is now Canon in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2
This sentence is a contradiction
Maybe you could have had beerus come during the 7 year time skip. The plot of becoming ssg would require less saiyans for the ritual. Training with whis would have been similar to what goku and vegeta endured in super. By the time the buu arc starts, goku would have had some knowledge of ui which would make sense since hes been training with whis. Once again, for the plot, buu could have been made to rival ss blue.
@SamBoy 777 I shouldn't have to explain this, especially when 26 other liked the comment in agreement. It may not be a what if for beerus, but for this what if there has to be a PLOT change
@@ndiaz1982 your idea just changes a lot of the set dbz parts rather than just changing a ton of stuff beerus would just come early they can't do the ritual and train with whis within the android timeskip since thats the only time avaliable with the idea of whis training them to fight beerus which just makes these two roll through the series
PERFECT!!! 12 mins ago this was posted and i was just completing a salad saying video, looking for other "(full story)"s to watch! (even tho i have already watched this ;)
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Goku black: I have now attain ultra instant I am invincible
Goku Black body: Hell Nah I can’t keep this energy you ain’t gonna get this form
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Man, this basically happened in XenoVerse 2 (thanks to Fu saving Goku from Dabura). Was amazing to see that CG animation of UI Omen Goku taking out Kid Buu.
Fu is the most annoying character. With that gay voice
@@M._mkid Yikes, you need to grow up.
@@Mrperson0 I just said a simple comment and your telling me to grow up. Lmao stfu or i get the 3 russian guys to capture you
@@M._mkid grow up
@@Mrperson0 ong
ah yes, just when i think i’m running out of full length movies, pure bliss
From a martial arts standpoint I feel as Ultra Instinct could work in Original Dragon Ball since Ultra Instinct does return to original martial arts based combat.
Master Roshi displayed an ability to use this technique in the Tournament Of Power located in the manga but this was the last time.
Goku taking his training to the next level while training under Master Roshi would be interesting for the next three years deciding to instead rely on his senses and instincts instead of thinking.
And over time allow this martial art training to develop and become more used to the point it is mastered.
Yes.The key to UI is completely calm your mind,heart and let instincts do the work.
UI is a technique so yes humans can achieve it.From the beginning of DB Popo,Master Roshi were giving the principles of UI to Goku.
@@Divinerosegokublackindeed but what roshi tried to get goku to is fighters instinct aka what he has, and polpo just wanted him to be aware, so with the training with whis he got it because whis taught him both. So indeed goku was setup for ui really early on
"Screw Super Saiyan God"
Yamoshi : WHAT THE F-
My man isn't needed no more
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Im pretty sure yamoshi was just the first super saiyan, I could be wrong
@@thegreathambino9561 You are Both Wrong and Correct at the Same Time
Yamoshi: bro REALLY?
Salad: What if Goku went Ultra Instinct against Buu?
Xenoverse 2: What a great idea! Let's do that!
@@toddalt6958I fully believe that the xenoverse writers will occasionally have movie nights where they watch “what-ifs” to get ideas
@@Cheese-Slime-Sheriffim gonna assume this happens
If goku went UI then he would ether pass out or The kais gave goku enough God to to maintain UIS/UI omen
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When will we get Tablos ripping out Goku's guts while exclaiming about the power of "E S E N C I A"
You see Buu, you’re not dealing with the average Saiyan warrior anymore…
tfs
28:00 I just got goosebumps! You nailed Goku's UI voice.
It’s not even good lol
@@Commercialhardware But that's his opinion righ
@@Commercialhardware his opinion not yours so, shut up. Lol
@@andretheartguy it’s my opinion, not yours, so shut up lol
@@andretheartguy its his opinion too?
I kind of feel like once Goku tapped into ultra, Wis would of felt the presence across the universe.
yeah same i thought they would have appeared earlier or whis would’ve known already when beerus woke up but guess not 🤷🏻♂️
And wouldn't the fish on a stick say something about someone eventually unlocking UI as well?
Edit: after 10 months of seeking knowledge and information, through all the blood sweat and tears, I have discovered that the fish on the stick is called the oracle fish
@@Ranologbro went on a training arc to unlock google💀
@@superzockertvyt9630 you made the joke unfunny
@@trison3781doesn’t rlly change anything because he would solo everything still
I love how Goku in UI acts like vegeta more than himself
He's like really serious and doesn't pay attention to stupid matters that honestly wouldn't matter
Dbz goku
Basically "What if Porunga restored Goku's energy at the moment the Spirit Bomb killed him"
I feel like a good way to keep the “there’s no way for him to have this by now” aspect you mentioned would have been to make it where the Spirit Bomb does grant him UI for a bit… just to have his back burst like in the ToP and him dying. He got a power he wasn’t ready for and paid the price.
The Z fighters: SHIT. *collects dragon balls frantically*
@@calebcamp2458 OH NO GOKU'S DEAD AGAIN!!! Anyways Bulma you got the balls at your place? Alright bet let's pick him up some food. Dying makes people hungry
Should do a what if similar to this with Vegeta and Goku getting they're pinnacle forms ultra ego and ultra instinct respectively maybe with the Buu arc
Good LORD! Salad Saiyan *KILLING IT* with the full story uploads lately. Loving it dude 👍
Anybody gonna talk about how vegeta just absolutely stole that kill from goku vs Moro
Although i watched the series in episodes like 4 times, this still feels great while watching
This series and carthu's g.o.d kakarot series are my favorite what ifs
Crazy that this actually happened now in xv2😭
Who’s here after the xenoverse custsene?
me
Well this what if is somewhat real now
I wished the story got a retcon just because with all the new information we got in the manga this story could've turned out even better, yall agree or am.i just crazy 🤔🤯
yes and no
Yes and no. But it would be sick to see some official studios doing small what ifs from time to time.
@@SlickEvan so just Marvel What ifs
Yes and yes you are crazy
Honestly wished that Vegeta got Ultra Ego in this as well but it wasn't a thing at that time.
We Need A Crossover What if,
Ideas
1) What if Goku was The LSS and Vegeta was the LSS
2) What if Goku went UE and What if Vegeta Got UI?
imagine if goku and vegeta fused and they made legendary super saiyan vegito or gogeta
@@darkest4179 That Would be Broken. But which Legendary Super Saiyan God Do The Fusion Have, Goku's or Vegeta?
@@RacketEPIC yes
What if goku was in fortnite😂😂
@@rileytcg2073 😐
6:22 I can imagine the oracle fish got quite the earful about not having that "teeny tiny" detail...
I know this pretty much wash What if, until Black or Cell, but.
What if Gohan Rage boost was always the same (1307x during during Raditz getting headbutt by him).
Other ideas.
What if Dr. Gero was a Ally.
What if Demon King Piccolo was released early in original DB.
What if Future Timeline fused with a Past during Android Saga.
What if Zamasu went too far back and became Kid Goku.
what if farmer became z fighter.
That last one makes no sense
Farmer would instantly destroy everything
The farmer is the new omni king
this aged like fine wine
Huh
@@marusacvetko9883 in xenoverse 2 there was a mission for the conton city vote DLC where goku went ui omen against kid buu
Bro when u said this is ultra instinct I got chills that was clean
I love listening to theories like this while playing dragon ball games lol
True true
It's always a good day when Salad uploads!
I'm sorry. But my cat is better then you.
No I don't think so, Im pretty sure mine is better.
No Salad's cat is.
I gotta say this now, how does goku black ever get ui, just because goku can doesn't mean goku black can, zamasu never had that type of training nor has that mindset, we see this from vegeta, gokus greatest rival
Uh, it's Goku's body.....
@@williamgolston5399i know this is like 2 weeks later of a reply but dont you need a clear mind or be clear of thoughts or like calm or smth to access mui/ui
@@williamgolston5399 do you know how ultra instinct works?
@@power_double Zamasu can easily calm himself.
@E r i c Thompson Name 1 calm destroyer
Your question has been answered lol
Ironically Xenoverse 2 recently had a DLC mission come out that did this in away using the character Fu from Super Dragon Ball Heroes
A good What if would be what if Goku was the prince of all Saiyans Vegeta being Bardocks Son, Goku being King Vegetas but they have their signature looks and powers at birth
Goku gets executed because king vegeta doesn’t like weaklings
@@Kyuubey0406 except he'd be king vegetas son so he wouldnt be weak
@@m3cha131 yes he would, goku was the weakest saiyan child and his dad had a pl of around 12k so goku shoulda at least had 100 minimum, he had 2. king vegetas pl was only like 16-20k. so no
That would just mean goku would be vegeta and vegeta would be goku, would just switch positions
They would just swap it'd be the same story different people
this a certified ui+the best dbz villan classic
Cap cell is the best dbz villian hands down
@@prodsage2719 do you know a thing called "opinion" ?
@@prodsage2719 double cap frieza is the best dbz villian hands and feets down
Guys you're forgetting Raditz :(
@@crissanti8206 triple cap king piccolo solos
Hey bro you did it, XenoVerse new DLC show that Goku awake UI in Buu saga
Actually In a non Canon movie he absorbed the spirit bomb which is where they came up with the idea of him falling into it and absorbing its power
You're a beast at coming up with stories, here's one I think you could definitely take on. So I'm the Season finale of Marvel's What If, different versions of hero's are brought together to take on Ultron. You can watch it to kinda get where I'm going with this. You have made so many different stories that make great changes to different characters, Awakened Android Tien. God ki piccolo, U7 Jiren, supreme Kai Vegeta, Young Roshi, and so on. I think you should try to do a story where all these different versions have to come together to defeat a villain, I notice you don't really touch the Super Dragon Ball Heroes anime promotion, but I think for something like this cross multiverse mashup to work you might have to. It can take place after the ends of all your What If scenarios. You can choose which ones. I'd say don't try to make duplicates of characters who aren't changed that much. Like Kakarot and Goku are technically different. Legendary Super Saiyan Goku would be different as well, try to make the Z fighter team with different versions from your other what ifs, basically have them fight Fu, or Hearts, or whoever, there's a lot of leg room using villains from Super Dragon Ball Heroes, hell maybe even incorporate villains from Xenoverse. You're talented enough to make it work. Plus it would be a good promotion for your what ifs for people who watch it but haven't see the others, they can see U7 Jiren and be like "I'm interested in seeing his story and they can go and watch that series for the first time generating more views and awareness. I really hope you see this and think about this concept, hell even add Salad to it too. I think it'd be one Banger of a series to tackle. I'd love it and I'd love to see original arcs. You're good at original arcs. I hope you consider it.
In xenoverse 2 really he’s just a guy who wants to have fun experiments while Messi with timelines one he brought tapion to the goku black arc and jiren just for fun no matter what side you on you get a fun fight so maybe saw all those timelines and saw a timeline that needed some help and sent them to that timeline for a few adventures
I think Vegeta would be a god of destruction candidate (with ultra ego and hakai) by the tournament of power. By the end of the Morro arc or before Goku would probably master UI omen perfectly so that it is always active with very minimal strain. In the manga he can combine omen and other transformations which I think he would also be able to do at this point. I still don't know where ultra ego leads at this point but I think using this Vegeta would be able to use ikari to channel his rage and battle lust. By the Granola arc they would both be overwhelming stronger than in canon.
at this moment ultra ego wasnt introduced yet
The thumbnail art looks really cool. Keep up the good work Salad.
I find it funny that they did this in xenoverse 2 for the ui sign dlc
What if SS was just like SSG? Meaning SSG is at least a 20,000 times multiplier. Every level of SS would be another 20,000 times multiplier including SS4 (make it canon please)
Oh god no. I made a lowball using a SS3 Vegito, and using mine, SS WOULD BE 160000X! NO VILLAIN UNTIL BEERUS WOULD BE A THREAT! AND BEYOND HIM, NO ONE NOT EVEN JIREN
@@buggytheclown1533 I like stories about heros so op that they can beat anyone with ease.🤷🏾♂️
@@montoyamattison8051 yeah same it's fun
If you continue this please let Vegeta unlock Ultra Ego a little early even though there's not much room to change it
I watch your videos every single day. Thank you for what you do!!
Loved every minute of this! Imma just jot down some ideas that may or may not be cool~
1. What if Jiren and Goku met before TOP? (Could have them meet as early as you wanted, and perhaps give Jiren a small tip on Goku's power/give Goku a small tip on Jiren's power. This could mean that Jiren may feel the need to train even more before the TOP, thus pacing with UI Goku better, or Goku could understand the gap between them and train more before the TOP)
2. What if Beerus killed Bulma? (Now, this may seem a little crazy, but instead of just slapping Bulma what if Beerus was enraged enough to actually kill her? This would all trickle down to Vegeta going bezerk, losing, and being subdued long enough by the other z-fighters for the normal Battle of God's story to commence whenever Goku swoops in and challenges Beerus. Although at the end, while Beerus would ultimately decide to spare the Earth because of his great fight with Goku, both Vegeta and Goku would be far more dismayed and hateful towards Beerus. Perhaps Vegeta could even plan on secretly overtaking Beerus, or at the very least collaborate with Whiis only and not show Beerus the same respect that he did in canon. Just a few thoughts, UvU)
3. What if Goku became a kid again right before the Radit'z Ark? (So just like in GT, Goku is accidentally wished to be a kid again-a few months after Gohan is born and right before Radit'z comes to Earth. Now, Goku is stuck in this body, and he has to face Raditz and the other Sayains while being stuck in this body... And this could all snowball until, after Piccolo dies before the year on the Earth Dragon Balls are reset, he is forced to go to Namek and face the Freiza force while still being stuck as a kid. This could make for some interesting dynamics and perhaps even different interactions with Vegeta, Raditz, and Nappa-and the other fighters, of course. Idk, but it just seems like a cool idea!)
Thazzz all! Hope these ideas interested someone!
these are really good ideas! If I was friends with salad, id def suggest them to him
the only one I can't agree with is the 3rd bc i don't think it will change the story that much besides making freiza way madder and probably killing gohan which has already been done
@@nigelo Hmm, yeah I see what you mean. Maybe Goku being a kid could make Vegeta mellow up faster and keep Nappa/Vegeta both alive to fight Freiza, which would be interesting. Or maybe being a kid could nerf Goku a little and slow the progress of his strength throughout, and it could play on Piccolo's character and Future Trunks/the heart virus and stuff. I feel like there's some ways to change the little intricate details which would be neat, but I do agree that it would take a lot of creativity to really change the story as a whole.
@@eeveescloset i agree now
@@eeveescloset i like the amount of thought u put into it
How to give UI Goku outfits:
Salad: *Copy and Paste head.*
Literally just finished the Buu Saga
Bro did *not* get spoiled
It would be super cool to get either a continuation or remaster of this series once the anime does a lot of catching up on the manga.
this man just told the whole dlc of xenoverse 2 early
I thought of this 21 hours after watching this. What if trunks didn’t go back to the past. Trunks believed at first that he changed the past by going. But intact cell was already there. You could say that trunks showing up created the scenario of cell showing up 4 years earlier since bulma didn’t get a call about the second one until after trunks shows up but if it’s multi universe theory then it might have been there already. Or because the my decided to show up and didn’t change their minds afterwards cell appeared there because of that choice. I think it would be a fun scenario.
If trunks didn’t go back in time goku would still die from the heart virus
These are always great keep up the good work salad 😀😀
I have one thought wouldn't goku still try learning the hakai since its still beneficial even with MUI and he already had a basic idea of it so it should go a bit faster than vegeta especially if we assume the universal assassins arrive with a hakai for goku to basically analyze, we could assume vegeta has a more refined version but goku can still erase almost anything making Moro even more fodder in the end fight
Goku isn't much of a destroyer. He could learn it but he probably wouldn't use it much.
@@Helldiver_M1 yeah but it would still be something he knows just to fodderize moro
@@draculemihawk6120 I personally think he'd use it as like an absolute last resort if all else fails, in every way
@@VideoGameMontagination he did try to use hakai against zamasu in the manga.
@@thedoglovinggamer5825 and then NEVER again
ultra instinct isn't a power up from a rage boost like super saiyan or anything like that. it's required that you must specifically train for it in order to achieve it unless you are an angel
Plot
Angels had to train for it bro
He can get the human version, just not the divine version, technically he already had it thanks to Popo, and his other masters, but dbz gave up on true martial arts, and focused on big ki blast. At least not until he either gets ssjg or masters Whis’s training, honestly the only problem Goku would have is not having a body that can handle the God’s ultra instinct, but that’s debatable since Roshi can easily use it, but need to have it so his perverted mind cannot interfere.
Whis himself said roshi wasn’t using ui but was doing something with a similar concept
@@felipeamaral8061 I know, it was not given a name, so mortal ultra instinct, mushin, flow, and whatever other names for self movement.
@@ginnungagapabyss5639 there is a name semi ultra instinct though maybe it should be ultimate instinct
@@levievil9220 from what I can tell, they never gave it a name in the show, I just call it any of the names I mentioned to the other guy.
@@ginnungagapabyss5639 I know but I saw it in a video and it seemed from a super guild book
I just had a random thought about the future timeline, I feel as if Goku still might try and get the Zeno to meet. Also Goku shouldn’t be able to kill merged zamasu since beerus himself says he can’t kill immortals. So the Zeno I think would still end up in our hero’s timeline.
I hope there will be more keep up the good work😁😁😁
It would make more sense if he went super saiyan god in the Buu saga, because there could be enough saiyans giving him energy for the final spirit bomb and accidentally completig the ritual without knowing it if you do the scenario right, like bringing back dead saiyans like raditz to fight Cell.
One of the most fanfic what if I ever heard.
This is now in Xenoverse 2 good job
"screw super Saiyan god this is more intresting" had me DYING💀
Someone who is really good at animation should animate the fight between UI Goku vs Kid Buu... the kick around the planet to backhand would be awesome to see
Xenoverse 2 be like: *we don't exist*
"What if GOKU Went ULTRA INSTINCT Against BUU?" The series would be over in 5 episodes but would take 2 for him to transform
now here's an idea. What If Vegeta went Ultra Ego against frieza on namek?
How the hell
@@theongfoonglee6439 Yea how
A better thing is if he learned it while he was training at beerus’s planet before goku
Bruh what do you mean how
Vegeta needs god ki to unlock ultra ego, he hasnt got it when fighting frieza on namek
Bro salad you went above and beyond with this one
Here's a silly idea.
What if Reimu Hakurei fought Cell instead of Gohan.
She hears a rumor that the occult balls, when gathered can grant any wish and in doing so, is temporarily transported outside Gensokyo's barrier because they don't actuality grant wishes.
Touhou Project has it's fair share of references to other popular media so it got me thinking about a wacky what if.
Yes Touhou is great
no
Dragon Ball is a series about manly men training their asses off and beating up alien monsters. No place for your broke and lazy magic waifu.
Xenoverse DLC writers: sees this video
Also xenoverse DLC writers: Write that down write that down!
Ok so this is an idea I've wanted to talk about and I think it would be an interesting rabbit hole to go down.
Reincarnation of Raditz, basically take the concept of "That Time I got reincarnated as Yamcha" spinoff manga and make it someone from our world with at least a good amount of knowledge on Dragon Ball and it's spinoffs who has been reincarnated as the brother of Kakarot.
I'm imagining my own take on it with a Raditz reincarnation who is very self conscious and worried he might mess up with future during his time on the Frieza Force while he waits for the time to actually kickstart the events of DBZ.
When he reaches the point of death at the hands of Piccolo and Goku he is incredibly scared, even though he died before he was reincarnated as Raditz, it's still not something he'd want to get used too.
But he did have a plan to make sure he doesn't end up in hell for his crimes during the Frieza Force, even though he didn't want to. He reaches the front while Kami and Goku talk to King Yemma about sending Goku to King Kai so he can fight the Saiyans and the reincarnated Raditz interjects with an offer.
He would help Goku become even stronger as a sparing partner in exchange for not going to hell, the prospect of having the strongest guy he currently knows gets the Saiyan blood in Goku boiling as he decides to agree. While more hesitant King Yemma agrees to spare the Saiyan under the promise Raditz will be no longer commits any real sins, but the first sign of evil will immediately damn his soul to hell for all eternity to which Raditz agrees to these terms and accepts.
From that point things go normally as the two reach King Kai and begin training, while Goku learns the Spirit Bomb and Kaioken, Raditz turns his focus to a form of interest to him Ikari and does eventually find a way to unlock the form... Kinda.
It's worth noting Ikari seems to have two stages, the initial stage which Raditz has reached and the second stage that everyone is more familiar with. Raditz is unable to reach the second stage and theorizes it's due to lacking the true berserker Legendary Super Saiyan rage Broly had.
In terms of a power boost it's only half as strong as the Great Ape's 10x multiplier at 5x, but as a tradeoff it's not as hard to control the rage though it's a bit tricky at first for Raditz but he has an idea.
Taking a page out of Goku's book, he decides to spend a lot of his time in the transformation learning to control it more and more and maintain it for longer and longer periods of time. Similar to what Goku and Gohan did with Super Saiyan in the Cell Saga during their year in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
Considering the first stage Ikari form isn't as rage heavy nor as hard to control as the Super Saiyan form, he masters it much faster in a about 3 to 4 months. As he and Goku train together both would become notably stronger than Goku did in canon after training with King Kai alone, he also masters the Kaioken x5 in order to match Raditz.
As Goku is about to be revived, Goku tells his friends to also revive Raditz while vouching that he has seemingly changed for the better. Now that Raditz no longer has to worry about screwing up the timeline since at this point he's already doing it, he's become more relaxed and more like his old self though still training hard for the upcoming battle.
Things would go smoothly through the Saiyan Saga as not much would change as Goku challenges Vegeta alone while Raditz watches from a distance and only hops in with his Ikari form to match Vegeta's Great Ape, though he struggles considering Vegeta is still the stronger of the two in base power and multiplier but he was merely stalling for time so Vegeta's tail would be cut off by Yajirobe.
After that Vegeta crawls into his Space Pod, swearing revenge after Goku spares him. When it's time for the Namek Saga Raditz would help Gohan, Krillin, and Bulma as the only one alive with the power to rival Goku currently.
Things would go mostly the same as Raditz would have his potential unlocked, gaining a great power boost like Krillin and Gohan as things go like canon up until it's time to fight Frieza and while he was a bit cocky with the emperor's forces he knew Frieza was a completely different beast and knew just how much stronger he was than him. He would die to Frieza's hands alongside Vegeta as they both tell Goku about Frieza and that he destroyed Planet Vegeta.
He would remain dead until the Namekian Dragon Balls revived them and sent the two to Earth, but not before getting an Ikari powered potshot at Frieza.
After that I have a few ideas. Mainly following Raditz taking up a job at Capsule Corp to deliver packages quickly thanks to his speed and strength catching the eye of a certain female researcher, the DBZ Kakarot version of Android 21 and they have a daughter Raditz names Rapunzel
Cell has Raditz's memories and DNA thus he turns that future knowledge into a double edge sword and combines his Super Perfect form with the Ikari form and kills SSJ2 Gohan forcing Raditz to reach Super Saiyan 2 himself and use the Ikari form on top of it.
After winning Raditz becomes the new rival Vegeta sets his sights on since Goku chooses to stay dead.
The Buu Saga is mostly the same up until Babidi tries to take control of Vegeta but since Vegeta has become satisfied with his battles against Raditz and finally moving on from his hatred of Kakarot.
However Babidi senses some despair and fear within Raditz due to him not fully letting go of his past life and it weighs him down thus he is the one to become a Majin and reveals a power he unlocked in secret during the 7 Years, Super Saiyan 4 forcing Goku and Vegeta to fuse into Gogeta to face him unlocking Majin Buu much earlier than canon. He is eventually able to let go of it like Vegeta did with Kakarot though.
Overall I'd say he does become a main character he doesn't always be the one to finish the main antagonist of the arc off like Goku does and instead only really steals Cell from Gohan but in a way that narratively makes sense.
I could go on with other ideas but yeah I'm just rambling. I do have an idea for a power that combines Super Saiyan God and the Great Ape called Super Saiyan 4 God not to be confused with the Limit Breaker form as that's more like SSJ4 using godly ki, this is more like a combination of the two forms that Super Saiyan can be combined with to create a form weaker than Blue but not as draining to use nor requires as much concentration.
what.
I would say that Cell never happened because Future Trunks kills Frieza, and then in response to the Android warning, Raditz suggests the SSG Ritual, with Trunks as the focus. Nappa is still alive, making the Ritual viable, since they'd have 6 Saiyans with Future Trunks. All the others get Super Saiyan instantly, and Trunks becomes a God. He wrecks the Androids, and Base Form Cell is unable to kill him, because he's too overwhelmingly powerful for even SP Cell. This means that they only have to deal with 17 and 18 in the past, because Cell never shows up, but when Trunks returns, he explains that he ran into Cell in the future, so they need to obliterate all of Gero's lab. Baby Cell is killed, 17 and 18 are reprogrammed by Bulma to have free will, and the Android Saga is over. The timeline skips directly to Buu, because no Cell.
5000 word essay much?
@@atch4764 Listen this is a scenario I've thought long and hard over
@@merchantziro4285 I was joking cus it was so long. I would read it, but I don’t got the time
undoubtedly my top 5 most fav youtubers in my list, and he is one of them. and he is like a newscaster lol
this could be one of the alternate timeline, i wish this exists
I had watched this before the dlc in xenoverse 2 but it so cool they basically did this in the game.
This video would've been cool to go into the Moro Arc and the arc where Frieza becomes Black Frieza.
Imma keep this simple “Your AMAZING😊❤
If this was real he would have died and also even if good actually accessed it the strain would be too much and he’d die because he wouldn’t be strong enough to Handle the power
It doesn’t really matter because it’s a what if and they have the dragon balls, namekIan, and earths him dying afterwards would be a problem
Dude he said this in the video
Very fitting that Goku dodges all the attacks with ultra instinct defensive style while Vegeta uses the hakai to oneshot enemies on the offensive.
Oh, this didn't pop up on my notification, I thought this was an old one, and it is.. but yea. This was a pretty darn good one.
Good to see, as much as the buu saga is a joke here, have you thought of a mini series in which Vegetas final explosion versus Buu in which he would be allowed to train with goku in the afterlife until BOG/beerus awakening.
15:30 'if he can harness ultra "intinct" for himself that'll surely be something"
-Salad Saiyan
2021
Ok, so I've realized that ultra instinct is not entirely efficient. He is expending a ton of energy with the aura and heat. What if mastered ultra instinct isn't truly mastered and he can push it further, suppressing the aura and heat.
Well you're correct. Even though it's called "mastered" ultra, it still isn't mastered. Goku can't tap into it at will and only can with omen. There is definitely a greater power. An example of this is in the manga when Golu used MUI against Whis, and still gets absolutely destroyed without landing a hit. And whis said himself that grand priest is way stronger than him. So yes you can definitely surpass ultra instinct.
@@fearhub69420 mui is mastered of the ultra instinct omen
At 9:44 in the video while goku is fighting Frieza, Salad Saiyan said, “this SAIYAN has gotten extremely fast.” I think the ACTUAL Frieza would’ve said, “this MONKEY has gotten extremely fast.”😂😂
Vegeta finally got himself a win!
Something that interests me is that there are people that can appose Ultra Instinct. I'm not talking about other Ultra Instinct users, but people that are very powerful in their own right, but by what we know of UI, they should've never been a problem. Jiren is a different story. Goku was using UI in basically a beginner state, but you can't tell me that unless it's against another UI user, someone like Whis or Vados would be able to lose to anyone, even energy absorbing opponents because UI isn't about energy or emotion (besides the calmness of the technique), it's about flow, balance, and well, instinct. Why else would Roshi be considered a possible candidate for the usage of UI? Roshi uses Ki based attacks, but he isn't a Ki user like Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, or even one of his own kind, Krillin.
Im 100% confident that he would've given vegeta ultra ego and freiza black freiza in the top if he remade it again
Not black frieza bc he wouldve soloed the entire top at the same time
😢@@samiiraalihassan6069
Ultra Instinct Omen Orion: "You're In Some Serious Trouble Now!"
this is probably as good as the normal story line
Goku black: I have UI I'm invincible
His body: STOP the cap🤣🤣🤣
Goku Black: I have ui now!"
Body: "nuh uh"
Black: "tf you mean nuh uh?!"
Hehe future now xenoverse 2 added the cutscene for this
“This won’t be a problem”
Next arc: Almighty ultra platinum frieza god