In the 20th century a bunch of printing companies "corrected" the "wrong notes" in their prints of the scores of composers. This remained a thing for some reason up until the "Urtext" versions took over
That's actually pretty interesting... the manuscript version sounds much better than the erroneous copy. Probably because the E natural is part of the 6/4 chord, and the score mistakenly embellishes the F instead, which is not a part of the chord.
Andy, you have a very good eye. I am not a Bach expert so we will have to rely on a TH-camr with more Bach knowledge to answer this. It is, however, no mystery that the reason for the creation of the Neue Bach-Ausgabe was because of errors like the one you just pointed out found in the Bach-Gesellschaft-Ausgabe which was used for this video.
A lot of accidentals (typically for the raised 7th and 6th scale degree in minor) are implied and not written out in baroque manuscripts. This place, however, can be a bit ambiguous - either G# or G works fine at first glance. That said, given that there's an implied polyphony with a bass line going on, G seems more likely, as it creates the rather typical bass line A-G-F-E, rather than A-G#-F-E. And, as pointed out, the violinist in this recording plays a G natural.
it is 100% supposed to be a g natural. harmonically either can work, but when taking into account voice leading, g natural is the obvious choice. ie: times when a g# bass can lead to an F in the bass, are when the F is figured 643, or 64#2. when F is root position or figured with a 6, the g must be natural. in this case, the F is in root position. also, although the F does harmonically coincide with a 643, the absence of the 6 and the 4 make his intentions clear that F root position is what is intended being the ear naturally hears the F and in order to make the ear hear the 643 (2nd inversion b half-diminished), the b must be present, which it is not. just the same as if he wanted you to hear a 2nd inversion d chord (F6), he would notate a d within the chord.
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I can’t even find any fugues at all written by Abinoni, much less any proof for your claim that he wrote this piece that’s so generally accepted to have been written by Bach. That’s a pretty serious accusation to level with no evidence.
1. Grave - 0:17
2. Fuga - 4:22
3. Andante - 11:44
4. Allegro - 16:18
Incredible work gerubach! We appreciate every little bit of effort put in to these wonderful resources for learning and enjoying
Magnifique, pour la corrélation de la partition officielle . Bravo!!!
Thank you so much for uploading this piece.
Regards
I love solo violin!! Thank you!!
0:26 The performance has G natural, the manuscript has G natural, but the score has G sharp!
Baroque Tuning.
@Dexter Sernoskie You never know
In the 20th century a bunch of printing companies "corrected" the "wrong notes" in their prints of the scores of composers. This remained a thing for some reason up until the "Urtext" versions took over
@Dexter Sernoskie don’t be so serious
@@nate7639 the audio in this video clearly is G natural 😀
¡Qué bonita la fuga!
it' s so perfect!! - I have tears...
Don’t we all?
Thanks for uploading!
Thank you!
4:22 is the Fuga
When I hear the fuga I think that this might be where Beethoven got the chord progression to Symphony 7 allegretto
Oh yeah...
Beethoven drew a lot of influence from Bach, and both composers wrote for very interesting chord progressions that were ahead of their time.
I think so too!
Great fun having the manuscript (or facsimile? I dunno) along. That must've been a piece of work to do!
good idea this animated Red Bar merci
Da brividi....
Check BWV 964 for harpsichord transcription by Bach.
15:58 interesting that the 64th notes are placed one 32nd too late in the scrolling score (and recording)
Kirk Waiblinger is it? that sounds like the most boring observation anyone could ever make.
That's actually pretty interesting... the manuscript version sounds much better than the erroneous copy. Probably because the E natural is part of the 6/4 chord, and the score mistakenly embellishes the F instead, which is not a part of the chord.
Is that a mistake on the printed score? Second beat G#
Andy, you have a very good eye. I am not a Bach expert so we will have to rely on a TH-camr with more Bach knowledge to answer this. It is, however, no mystery that the reason for the creation of the Neue Bach-Ausgabe was because of errors like the one you just pointed out found in the Bach-Gesellschaft-Ausgabe which was used for this video.
I think so, it sounds like a G natural when the violinist plays it.
A lot of accidentals (typically for the raised 7th and 6th scale degree in minor) are implied and not written out in baroque manuscripts. This place, however, can be a bit ambiguous - either G# or G works fine at first glance.
That said, given that there's an implied polyphony with a bass line going on, G seems more likely, as it creates the rather typical bass line A-G-F-E, rather than A-G#-F-E. And, as pointed out, the violinist in this recording plays a G natural.
I do agree with +descara's comment, as the A-G-F-E descending sequence was quite popular in the Baroque era.
it is 100% supposed to be a g natural. harmonically either can work, but when taking into account voice leading, g natural is the obvious choice. ie: times when a g# bass can lead to an F in the bass, are when the F is figured 643, or 64#2. when F is root position or figured with a 6, the g must be natural. in this case, the F is in root position.
also, although the F does harmonically coincide with a 643, the absence of the 6 and the 4 make his intentions clear that F root position is what is intended being the ear naturally hears the F and in order to make the ear hear the 643 (2nd inversion b half-diminished), the b must be present, which it is not. just the same as if he wanted you to hear a 2nd inversion d chord (F6), he would notate a d within the chord.
good work, but I've been reading the full sonata scrolling and now I feel as I was drunk... everything is moving around me!!! help!!!!
ottavaparallela don't do drugs
My goodness, this happened to me too! 🥴
www.discogs.com/Nathan-Milstein-J-S-Bach-Sonatas-Partitas/release/4510830
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9:49
11:03
Guys is gerubach ok?
Como consegue essas partituras originais ?
Copia y pega esto en tu web browser:
D-B Mus. ms. Bach P 967 - Objekt-Metadaten - Bach digital
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Gerubach, parlez vous français?
"unAccompanied" Awesome, nonetheless.
who is the violinist ?
nathan milstein
you can hear your breath too much. This disrupts
oh please PLEASE this is Albinoni ! This is a transcription , stop fake attribution :( :( :(
Lol
Very distinct difference between italian and german music. This is easy to identify
maybe in mickey mouse land. oh wait, it's led zeppelin
I can’t even find any fugues at all written by Abinoni, much less any proof for your claim that he wrote this piece that’s so generally accepted to have been written by Bach. That’s a pretty serious accusation to level with no evidence.
but that's bachs handwriting