Hold On To Your Roof! Truss Screws vs. Hurricane Straps: Shop Build #21
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I am a 70 year old woman who is looking for an easier way to do this. I have built a large workshop and now a large chicken coop. This morning, for the first time, I really felt it. I remember when I went into my fist lumber yard and got laughed at. I remember going into a big box store looking for tools and being ignored. After visiting 6 stores, I found the one I wanted to give my money to. What a journey! Thank you to all of you that helped me with this journey. My son just rolls his eyes when I ask for help. Maybe I should retire from my job and building but I don’t want my brain to turn to mush even tho my body is starting.
I'm 32 and only lately I've started to have complete gratitude for being able bodied. Other guys on site (many younger) grunt and complain about doing physically challenging tasks but I try to imagine what it would be like to not be able to partake in such tasks. I'm happy to lift that LVL high over my head because I know one day, god willing, I won't be able to.
Scott a couple of years ago I learned about the 6” screws to hold down the rafters/trusses. So, when it came time to build a shed in my backyard, Bingo I purchased the screws and after a lifetime of dealing with hurricane clips, I had the rafters all fastened to the plate with ease. And, all 16 were finished in less than 20 minutes. Easy squeezey . . . You know the rest.
I’m 27 years old. A few years ago I got in a bad slump. I was pretty depressed and went almost two years without any sex at all. I’d imagine that’s what it feels like to be paralyzed or old and not able to work anymore.
You are probably more able bodied that a lot of the youth these days. I heard that kids in Basic are breaking their femurs just from the physical training they are doing. This is what happens when the youth live on computers and cell phones instead of going outside and getting exercise.
Us younger guys are able to do a lot of physically hard labor. We cant stop because we haven't had 40 years of income to earn our nest egg and be able to slow down.
Although, I have seen old guys that have worked their bodies so hard they can hardly walk.
Bit of a fine line between, earning enough money and being able to enjoy a fulfilling life.
At 36 years old and unfortunately dealing with covid and pretty substantial back issues I completely agree with you. I'm right now trying to do everything in my power to get me back to where I was when I was only 35. Good point David c
Son, I'm hitting 102 years old and just by watching your videos I decided to frame my own house and install my trusses. Man you should've seen me walking on that roof I felt 80 years younger.
I don't even work in the construction field and this man is one of the most educated individual out there. He can speak in layman's term that anyone can understand.
Yeah he reminds me of calm reassuring pilot or doctor.
'You miss those days, and you wish you hadn't taken so many of them for granted'. There are a lot of men out there who really, really screwed up in life - I mean jails, prison, gangs, addiction. Who they now in their middle age are trying to learn new skills. They are the ones to say: "I wish I hadn't taken those years for granted".
Thank you, sir. For being there for the rest of us with this TH-cam channel
It is a sad fact if you look around at the older homless population.
Many of them are men who fed their addictions & not their familys.
A long life of many years is not something I would wish upon my enemies.
Don’t be sad your younger days are over but instead be happy they happened.
I’ve been that guy hand banging ties and hangers all day, after the first dozen you newly minted hammer arm feels like jello! But you don’t complain, just keep swinging! And yes, the palm nailer is a welcome relief once boss man decides to pull it out of the van!😂
My old boss let me hand drive half the house then showed me where he kept the tico nailer.
At 70 years old, I most certainly have been missing those days for over half of my life.
I'm 72 now, and I feel it. But when I was young and building my house, I did not have all the tools and knowledge which helps make the jobs easier, and a lot of tasks I did at least twice, instead of once. Lol. I struggled. I remember many late nights after working all day, that I could just barely put one foot in front of the other. It was very very tiring, but it was a GOOD feeling of extreme tiredness.
I miss those days as well. Now I try to stay ahead of the curve with fore thought and planning. When, or if I forget, my body quickly reminds me. Video enjoyable and informative as always.
What can you do to not take those days for granted? Seems like there is not a lot you can change.
Man. Wishing that one didn't take their physical abilities for granted is such a sharp blade.
Well said! I remember those days, too! Ahh..."youth is wasted on the young"...We just didn't know enough to NOT take it for granted! Even when our elders tried to impart their wisdom. You know, so much in life is taken for granted when you have the invincibility of youth, and the notion of "there's plenty of time "...
getting old aint for sissies . at 76 i miss those days as well. one day at a time, right. your videos are a joy to watch , relaxing, educational and a touch of humor. keep up the good work and god bess.
My dad was up fixing the roof for about a week in 90 degree weather when he was in his 70's. Being old is just an excuse for most people.
I'm rebuilding my home with rough lumber after a house fire. I want it to be stronger than the average house, so I've added screws and straps/clips in these exact spots. I chose to have a vaulted/cathedral ceiling, so they are attached to the rafters instead of trusses. The rough lumber is thicker than factory lumber, but more crucially it is all I could afford (free after cutting trees, sawing into lumber, and drying) and the whole process has brought my family closer together. I'm glad someone is covering this aspect of strengthening a house and I would be interested to learn more ways to do so.
Looking forward to seeing more of the garage. Thanks
I am a 67 old who was not in shape at 50. But then realized what I had lost and got busy getting in shape and now really appreciate it.
My code enforcement officer told me about the Simpson truss screws, and boy am I glad he did! So much easier and faster than hurricane clips, though all that screwing burned through batteries pretty quickly!
Did I really be a Dad & husband, work a 50hr/week job, be a fulltime Ph.D. grad student in science, and put a 2nd floor on my house, all simultaneously 30 years ago? I must have been crazy, but I did it. Now I know where the years went. These days, I hang out in my toasty shop and turn little stuff on my lathe and make a piece of furniture now and then.
I’m envious❤
I, too, miss the "good old days" at 77 years old now. Seems to take me 4X as long now to do most anything to accomplish or design. Miss my ability and strength more and more but I am still keeping things running or "fixed", I just take more breaks.
Those truss screws are better than nothing, but the shear strength of the metal ties (either style) held by nails cross grain in the bottom chord will work much better in a hurricane or tornado. The clips take much longer to install, and cost more but you only get a chance to do that work once.
Testing shows the screws to actually be stronger, but what do I know, that's just what Simpson says.
@@timothydillon6421 Who is paying for the tests? It seems like those screws could be faked a lot easier unless the screw heads are marked somehow.
@@MAGAMAN They're 'marked' by being that orange-red color. I'm not sure where you'd be able to find a 6" orange trim screw (what it kinda looks like), and the pricing seems to be about $1/per in small quantities. Even a generic 6" construction screw would probably be about half that cost in small qty, so I doubt it's worth pissing off the instructor or wasting time trying to 'cheat'
@@MAGAMAN coming from someone who identifies with what you have chosen for a name and icon is particularly, ludicrously hilarious. Why would you even think of this?
and where's Jared on all this?
Yes, each 3.15mm nail can reliably give 1kN of strength in shear. An axially loaded screw is relying on the strength of the wood in the thread to not break out. If you are somewhere that has tropical storms cyclones/typhoons/hurricanes use nails and connectors. A screw might be enough if you don't have to design for high winds. If you have tornados then neither is going to work.
In South Florida, especially after Hurricane Andrew in ‘92, the building codes got a lot more stringent ‘cause a lot of roofs blew off. Mostly because of shoddy workmanship and contractors cutting corners. My first house, built in 1950, had 3/16” steel straps imbedded in the concrete header, bent over every other truss, then nailed on both sides. Seemed to be kinda sturdy.
Pray maintain speed and course. And keep teaching us.
I was building in FL throughout the 1990's and you're spot on. Codes got really stringent. They were even doing roof sheathing nailing inspections. Slab to 2nd floor roof all-thread rods to hold it all down. Shear walls, truss bracing, I could go on & on. That's when pneumatic palm nailers & dedicated hurricane clip nail guns were born.
Still do that here in central florida to this day. Home being built down the road has straps wet set in the grout in the top course of the cmu walls, specifically for what you stated, crazy to think they continue to use that tried and true method
Thanks for showing us the progress on Ben's building
You have a beautiful family I dont believe you were taking things for granted. Their are amazing people who dedicate time and labor unbias toward any endeavor that benefits the ones they love.
Man, I love this guy! I hope he gets the views I think he deserves!
Hi Scott, just wanted to thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge, you a great ambassador for the building trade ! I'm a fellow carpenter been in trade for forty plus years, love what I do. Hopefully your videos will inspire the younger generation! God bless you and your family
Boy do I know the feeling.
I miss those days also. As a concrete contractor for 35 years my knees are a little squeaky.
35 years as a carpet layer
My knees, elbow, and low back have seen better days
I know how you feel
Living close to the Gulf of Mexico all my life those Simpson ties are not just good to put in but are required by code and are lifesavers.
Many ideas came from this, making me want to upgrade/refurbish the supports throughout our roof. Thank you again!
Can I do this in my 1928 house? Up in the attic?
I do love your content thank for posting but in germany we descoverd screws about 25 years or so ago in framing we screw everything joists studs beams everything we call it Holzriegelbau wich means woodsturucture buildmethod the rof sheating underneath the main shingles is about the only thing thats naild on because sort of stringers go ontop wich are again screwd through
Very informative. Thank you
I just want to thank you for your two videos on sleep apnea it's changed my world following your advice Yes we're close to the same age and I feel your pain as far as wishing I still had that younger working body but things are slowly improving with your help as long as I remember to use that tape before I drift off I can tell my sleep is much improved thank you for all your good work!
Papa Craftsman getting us all big brained. I love learning about stuff I've seen, but never knew how they work.
When installing the simpson truss screw, they do make an alignment jig to assist with the angle of approach. ( for those new folks that get tasked with it)
Unless your carpenter cuts them short.
Push/Pull. Or send back the lumber.
I like the comment you made at the very end of your video about moving around effortlessly! I fondly remember those days, as well.
Love the Simpson structural screws! My 100 old house has a lot of idiosyncrasies so the metal brackets often don’t fit correctly. But I can usually tie things together with a screw.
I can not understate enough how much stronger your wood frame will be with the Simpson solutions. When used properly they add an incredible amount of strength and resilience to wood versus fasteners alone. I build a large pergola using a handful of the simpson strong tie solutions and it has stood strong in several thunderstorms with 80 mph+ wind with almost zero movement. Not shown here are also the the foundation ties Simpson makes too which are just as awesome.
Another way if you have a raised heel truss, is running sheathing from the wall up to the top of raised heel and nailing it down to the studs, top plates and trusses. Basically a large plate that ties everything together with dozens of nails. The sheathing also gives trusses some cross sheer value and acts as a block for blown in insulation.
I like your thought using your plywood to tie bottom chord of truss in with wall, kind of like a giant gusset. Plywood is definitely a structural component . Combined with hurricane ties, can make a very sturdy building.
Thanks for the video, I did some of this when I first bought my home,now I’m going to finish it ! Thank you
I just watched your entire Shop Build series and had to Subscribe.
I'm 60 and transitioning from I.T. to sole proprietor construction. I too like to work alone and am always thinking how to do thing solo.
Thank you for showing us not only how, but that we actually CAN (with a little smarts) do things solo that most think would require a crew.
@Scott the 2nd clip is the original Hurricane clip. The 1st model you showed was the improved. I banged so many 6's through the 1st clips that I'll never forget them. I believe it was Hurricane Andrew down in Florida city just south of Miami that pushed the original building code that started it all. So many roofs were lost so they invented that system of truss tie down. Now we're running threaded rod all with 3x3 or so square washers from top plate clean through bottom plate as Hurricane and coastal homes. Alot of steel my friend.
Wasn't sure if you knew or have seen it yet. 🤘😎✌️
Then the learning curve of a low pitched roof acting like the airfoil of a wing and lifting the roof off. Up here in Jacksonville all new roofs have to be of a steep pitch. Same goes if the entire roof and trusses have to be replaced no more low pitch.
@Dremwolf 6/12 is the lowest I go and I'm so tired of 8/12 and more. Did thousands of those on homes 12k sq/ft and larger. Frk'n roof systems were monsters.😎✌️
@@shanesouza4303 I've only done a tiny bit of construction work as a helper long ago. Steep pitched roofs killed my ankles. Any time I see someone on a steep pitched roof my ankles hurt in sympathy.
The biggest problem houses have in a hurricane is the way they are designed. Most houses have a pull tab all the way around them fro the wind to catch. A dome shaped house would do the best against the high winds, but most people (including myself) would not want to live in that.
I'm not a builder, just enjoy your videos. I am planning a shed in my windy backyard and plan on using straps or ties. I feel like the multiple points of tie in are superior to a screw. Time isn't an issue, only strength, for my little shed.
On my details I am showing the long Simpson screws at an angle securing the inside of the top plate. The structural engineer that I work with and also where I have been to many of his lectures wants the hurricane clips on the outside in line with the sheathing to prevent top plate rotation. Not always possible and harder to do. So, the angle screw on the inside is a big help. I live and design along the CT coast. I also use the Simpson brace-wall calculator for my clients. Often portal framing on detached garages around the overhead doors.
I miss those days too!
Should those Simpson screws have a washer to spread out the load so they don't just pull through??
No
By heck, those were wise words at the end of this video. I'm 73 and forever thinking 'It's a bugger getting old!'. I have a wee dog that gets a lot of walks - my phone and Fitbit tell me that I walk more than 30 miles in an average week - so I can 'move around' OK, but everything seems to hurt nowadays. To be fair, I used to race motocross (we called it Scrambles in my day) and fell off a lot, but general wear and tear sure does add up over a lifetime.
THANK YOU KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !
Keep up the good work!
One of the greatest tools I ever bought was a joists hanger nail gun…until Simpson came out with the truss screw and I bought a speed stick. My hanger nailer just gets dusty on the shelf now except for the few times it’s used on floor systems
Right there with you Brother. A lifetime in the Electrical Union, moved like there was no tomorrow! Shop Rockets, we were called, LOL. Now at 62 and retired, I watch these young guns hitting it hard, and get winded my self just watching them run! 😉
I have seen roof trusses that were secured to the top plates with hurricane clips, pulled off the structure when the plate held on by spikes through the plate into the studs separated & blew off by wind. A couple of straps nailed to both plates & several inches of the studs every 6 or 8 feet would have prevented that. The sheathing accomplishes that somewhat, but just a few extra connections can make a building more hurricane proof. We're building a large "tiny home" for our daughter. It paid for itself to buy a special nail gun just for metal clips & brackets. Our gambrell roof trusses are half truss secured at top to a 50 foot ridge pole truss & at the top of the wall using 6 straps & clips for each. Nailing over 600 brackets was very easy with the nail gun.
For this very reason, Simpson’s own literature says to use the H type connectors on the sheathing side of the wall, not the inside as demonstrated here. It is for the issue you raised.
As many have said, but ill say it again, these videos are gold.
I learn not only how to do stuff but what certain things are for.
Every now and then i acquire a tool or a building supply item that i have know idea what it is or how its supposed to be used (or sometimes i think i know) but i later learn in wrong.
I knew what a hurricane tie did..but apparently i didnt know how many different kinds there were.
That first and second metal hurican tie, i have a big box of them both.
I thought the first one was for holding a 2x to the side of another 2x like a "T" as a structural support..and the second one with the twist i thought was for splicing a couple 2x's together 😂.
Well i learned something today, now i can use them properly help secure the roof of my shop.
We've been getting crazy weather this year out on the plains.
This video could not have come soon enough. I live in Houston and I'm trying to make my old 1968 home more resilient to the more frequent storms we seem to be getting
The Simpson quick-stick is an awesome tool for installing the truss screws. It has a V with bubble level for the 22° angle for installing the screws. I have found that a drill works a lot better than an impact driver. Give it a shot.
You are a good mentor!!!!!!
Thanks for the awesome content and great video!!!
Thank you so much showing the brackets for trusses. We just had trusses installed and our framer only has them toenailed. We will be talking to them tomorrow.
Scott, I'm with you on the not moving so good anymore. It took two of us to double plate a small ranch house of 1200 ft today and we didn't even finish. Up and down those ladders really knocks you out!
Never seen those. Wow! Thanks.
I just bought some truss screws from at Lowe's thanks for the suggestion
Life is short. Be the Good.
My feeling is that the old framing was beefier. Nothing also beats old growth lumber plus they used to use 16 or 20 penny nails
Love your work 👍
I have another comment to make.....Have you ever been approached by educational television? If not maybe you should send them one of you segments to view. You are more interesting to watch than some of the ETV Boston guys.
I build with Habitat for Humanity. We use the long screws plus hurricane clips.
I like the truss screws less labor to install and they do the same as the clips great video
Nice to see you lay your osb laterally, but should be a gap between sheets.
Nice video.
I Love the Truss Scews , nice to have Around
Love you videos! Pleasant greetings from BELIZE!
Great !
👍👍 Thanks. Informative.
A joist hanger air gun really makes a difference or palm nailer just for those nails really helps for tight spots.
I completely understand your last comment. I am living it now.
Very good video professional.....
Here in aus we use a cyclone tie. Single piece looped steel strap run over each truss down and fixed to the underside of the top plate. It be good to test these and the Simpson ties mentioned in your video and see how they compare. My bet would be the cyclone tie
At 75, I can identify with remembering how much I could get done quickly when I was young. I needed a sheet of 3/4 plywood the other day ... when did they get so heavy? Our days are numbered, may we use them well.
The Simpson specs actually show the hurricane tie on the outside of the building plate, not inside. Do like the show
7:32 I instantly paused the video and walked over to my recip saw to see if the blade would run upside down in mine too... and of course it does.
I specifically got a compact reciprocating saw because i knew space would be an issue, but i never once thought of turning the blade upside down for so many scenarios that were a pain to cut.
I feel so stupid. But i also feel smarter after every video of yours i watch. You never know what you're going to learn from these videos!
Thanks
I had a home built in 1999 in Louisiana, every night I would work till 11:00pm putting in wall and rafter straps. I didn’t strap and tie every single piece and place, I looked till I could see a web of wood holding the most common pieces together all the way to the floor. I marked the point of the intersection and started strapping. I used a palm nailer and resin dipped nails. Thanks for sharing.
Be sure to put a truss nail in EVERy HOLE. Ask me how much trouble to go back and add the missing nails after the inspector has raised hell. The hardware is designed to do its job with a nail in every hole. Go buy a palm nailer and ear muffs. The little nailer ie less than $50 and noisy as 😊as a high school band, but it gets into very tight places .
JoeB
good info
I'm not an engineer, and don't play one on TH-cam or television. I'm just an old Body & Fender guy (25 yr's plus) and now a former shipyard welder (4 yr's), still welding @ 69 yr's old. In my humble opinion, I think the clip you show @ 5:32 of this video is installed upside down. From my VERY LITTLE experience working with Dead Tree Carcass's a.k.a. wood product's, {I did build my 2000 sq. ft. house circa 1980's, with the help of my late wife.} the elongated-hole should be on the bottom /top of the wall. My reasoning is that the Truss lower cord is not always straight. Thus, you attach the bracket so as to allow for pulling / pushing the lower Truss cord, to achieve a straight run / uniform spacing on center's, if you will. I could be dead wrong, but that's my story and I'm sticking with it. Thanks for sharing.
To my Canadian ear, the way you say "roof" and "rough" sound exactly identical 😅
Im a truss designer. Those screws are awesome! Idk why most truss companies dont use those. H2.5T is the common hurricane tie we sell
Truss ties are important, but they are only part of the complete load path required by most codes.
I work with a bunch of young guys. So I do know exactly what you're talking about when you talk about young men moving. I'm the idea guy and logistics, and it kinda of hurts, but I still believe I'm contributing to the end goal. Though I sometimes still pick-up a torch or a stinger. Just to show the young bucks, the old guy still has it.
Don't Let The Old Man In !
It’s code here in much of Canada to have the truss over the studs for added strength downwards, lots of snow load. I personally use the longer ties that run from the truss down the top plate and down the studs a little ways.
6:30 There's another reason for the truss clips. When a truss gets a big load on the roof it actually causes the bottom chord of the truss to rise a little bit. If you nail the truss directly to the interior partition it will be lifting up on that partition. Very likely you will get an ugly crack in your drywall where the top of the wall meets the ceiling. To avoid this you do 2 things. Use the truss clip, so that the truss is not pulling up on the wall. And also, when you put up the ceiling gypsum board, put the first screws about 12"-16" away from the wall. That way when the truss lifts the ceiling gypsum board, there's some room for things to flex without cracking.
If you have crown molding this covers the joint, which is good. But it's best to attach the crown molding only to the ceiling and not both the ceiling and wall.
My local inspectors give me a headache every time I use the truss screws…. They fail it unless I’m there with them when they come
That guy is clearly experienced at driving that lift. Impressive, and not dangerous.
Great hardware for roof framing-------!"
I was taught when using any form of metal strap or bracket for tiedown, to get fasteners into both sides of each piece of timber I'm trying to tie together. In a situation of extreme wind trying to rip the roof off the house, you can't assume the top plate won't twist and let the nails or screws pull out. Get fasteners into both sides of the top plate and both sides of the truss, and make sure your tie-down is continuous all the way to the bottom of the house.
Screw is good, but the first strap is best. That screw will rip right out way before the strap. Nice video
I like the 1 1/2 inch #9 hex head Simpson screws to hold in those metal clips. I use the second one you demonstrated, and use one on each side of the truss (Rafter ties) unless you cant fit it in. The ones I really like are the H12 which have 6 inches of overlap on both sides. After you've been in a building with a hurricane or twister going by you will understand. I try to use steel at every wood to wood joint, even though I know they were built without them for years and years. I like the new extra long screw style but I can see where its hard to inspect whether your apprentice got a good angle or not. Build like you expect a tornado at 2 AM while you sleep through it.
These relatively simple building methods would save countless structures in hurricane and tornado country. It can make the difference between your roof blowing off or not.
Mahalo!
My uncle Gerald was very instrumental in the invention of those hurricane proof truss hangers. I believe he has a patent for them.
If you place hurricane clip or truss tie to the non-sheathing side of the wall as you demonstrated, you have to provide a connection to the stud as well, otherwise the uplift load pulls the plate up. Simpson mentions this in their catalog. Otherwise it should be applied to the sheathing side of the wall.
Great point! You had me go check how I installed them on my 12x16 shed 5 years ago lol. I did it right!
I've seen the screw type installed at an angle from the inside face of the stud at an angle up through the plate and into the truss. Seems like a really good system for tying it all together.
Up here in Canada we’ve always placed our ties on the exterior. Having the steel plates on the inside also creates cold spots due to thermal bridging.