Screws Instead of Hurricane Ties?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- Over the last 20+ years, I've watched as the amount of hardware required in framing has increased dramatically. Many people think that the hardware companies lobby for the requirements, but actually code cycles inform the hardware design.
The fact is that it is expensive to rebuild or repair, so our goal initially should be to prevent avoidable loss and increase the resiliency of our structures.
In this video I demonstrate just a few ways that the Simpson Strong-Tie SDWC fully threaded screws can replace hardware, increase production, safety and meet the design loads we build to today. For more info, go to www.strongtie.com Besides the screws themselves, the Quik Stik is an inexpensive tool that really speeds up production and increases safety. You can read my review below.
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Love this kind of content. Quality over profit = good conscience!
Quality over profit? No sir. Trust me... We framers get paid for everything we do. Quality does not mean financial sacrifice for the installer.
Builders who do quality work are actually more profitable than those who cheap out and cut corners
This is so much more helpful and informative that a lot of the other guys on youtube.
In AU/NZ we have been using batten/bugle screws for over 40 years. They are load rated/speced in the framing code. We use them for many different tie downs. Especially for purlins(steel roof attachment). Drills in low gear are better than impact drivers for the long ones.
The more I see from New Zealand and Australia the more I wonder how far ahead of the US you guys are 🙂
@@AwesomeFramers I’m from Connecticut. We moved down here 10 years ago. In general the AU/NZ construction industry is 20 years behind North America, Europe. Typical houses are cheaply built. They do have some really cool things down here like their screws. They’ve been using steel in their framed houses for decades because they don’t have a lot of timber. It’s been fascinating to learn how their construction methods have evolved(The good, bad, and ugly).
@@aspees That'll teach me to think before I speak. I would love to visit NZ someday. That's bucket list for me.
Hello my name is Francisco and I am from Chile, I love your channel and the standards of contraction that you have in your country, you should be a reference for other nations in terms of construction of houses ...
Greetings and take care
Thanks Awesome Framers; Yes for this type of content, and thanks for setting a good example of how to do things properly including making videos, well done.
I love these videos and I love that newer tech is finally getting adapted from twisted pier footings to structural screws. I will say in my experience a lot of the inspectors I have worked with understand the codes and also know they are “minimum” I’d say 9/10 times as long as you can have spread sheet or and engineer saying it’s okay they are fine with it. We all know speed matters, usually more then price. Great video
Quality begins with the Building Designer/ Building Department design review. A well prepared detailed set of drawings calling out what is required for everyone from the general contractor to each sub-contractor makes the project goes smoother for everyone and provides a quality product in compliance with applicable Building Codes for the new owner. homeowner. Excellent video
Fabulous content. So much better than all those nails for metal connectors.
Good information. This reminds me of a research paper l read many years ago regarding how resilient "balloon frame" from the early 1900's were compared to how we frame today. Also how well metal stud framed houses hold up during hurricanes. The stick frame method we've been using for around 100 years is out dated, just look at the drawings a 6:00, too many broken connection points.
We balloon frame all our gable walls. The other connections are easy enough to deal with, but I'm not a huge fan of gable trusses.
I've been using these for a little while now. So much faster than nailing ties on.
I think the Simpson site and online catalogs are so the gold standard of product browsing. Products link to catalog pages that also link to research and back again to various code compliances and etc and it's amazing. But also a rabbit hole from which there is no escape if you're stupid nerdy like me.
One thing I was really interested to see was a video from Simpson of doing mockup structures using diagonal board sheathing. It had me thinking about the why and history of sheathing compared to current construction technologies. I've been playing around with models out of shear curiosity (eh? eeeh?) how feasible it would be to build a house capable of withstanding moderate seismic and wind events without the need of OSB or plywood sheathing.
I thought about it especially because it's getting so hard to lift those 45-80 pound OSB sheets. I'd feel comfortable going back to let-in bracing, and diagonal or transverse 1x T&G sheathing given the forces these fasteners, hold-downs, etc. from Simpson can withstand. I'd even be ok with skipping the board sheathing altogether if I weren't worried about bugs and animals.
Given that there seems to be no end in sight for rising commodity prices in materials ($8!!! for a 2x4 x 8'), it's getting more and more tempting to look at durable alternatives to typical framing.
That's impressive...screw replaces hardware and labor. Thanks for the video.
I am apprentice in Queensland Australia
These videos are amazing
Thanks mate! 🙏🙏
watching you do your work really makes me want to chasea career in framing, ive constructed a small studio apartment and it was absolutely an amazing learing experience from setting up perimeter walls to my ridge and then rafters, from then on gables, and merit walls it was something about cutting these 2x4’s and some 2x6’s for my plumbing wall that really made me wish I could do framing professionally
So why aren't we using screws instead of nails for framing? It seems as if screws would hold studs to plates better...
Earthquakes cause shifts in the framing screws break nails bend and shift and stay tightened for the most part
Great video and very easy to understand hopefully many can learn from this
In the wind test was any nails used or all screws on both homes
Very interesting. As a prior insurance adjuster, I usually only got to see what happened after the fact. Wind damage.... Fire damage.... Only got to see it after the fact. I should be happy! That said, it is interesting to see wind damage as it occurs, especially at very high wind speeds. Seeing Hurricane Andrews damage up close was unbelievable. Over 200 miles an hour wind gusts. Anyway...question...it looked like the house that disintegrated had a window failure. Pressurized the house. Should have shown the same issue on the fortified house. And structurally, there is not question the house was built better, but only saw minor rake trim missing. The siding should be peeling, regardless of the structure. Thoughts?
Exactly what I was thinking. How come the siding barely got damaged on one house and peeled off like an onion on the other? Seems the wind was not even or something.
The clip shown didn’t start at the very beginning of the association’s video. It’s a very long video.
The “fortified” house wasn’t just fortified in the framing/structure, but also with better/properly designed siding, doors, windows, etc… all put together. The point was that hurricane force winds don’t have to require a complete rebuild or major repairs every time; if we built the entire house for the weather extremes expected in that zone.
Oh yea the red screws I stole from work, they are holding my tailgate on…Great video wish there was dancing in this one tho
Great video Tim! Keep 'em comin.
Thanks Ben!!
Вот этого навыка, знания не хватало. Спасибо!
Almost looks like the house in the first two shots came apart because the door was open. Door was closed on the other house, so that was not a fair test. On the interior shot showing the front door (which was open) the bottom plate did not appear to be attached to the foundation very well so attaching the studs better to the base plate wouldn't have made a difference.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the products, just that the tests seem to be skewed to make their product look better.
Quick Stick is awesome... I have one… Well worth the money… I did a whole house in less than half an hour
Welp.. We've been using screws for years here in Rochester Michigan. But (big but)we gave up on the screws you guys use and now use HeadLOK 6". The full threaded screws are useless for drawing lumber tight, which is what we end up using for quite a few applications around the house.
I hear you, for that kind of thing we use the SDWS. I had trouble stripping the HeadLOk. Regardless, all these screws have made life easier. I'm putting together a video on how we use them to pull wood together, suck crowned lumber down tight etc. Its fun to do all this stuff.
@@AwesomeFramers as a framer myself for over half of my life, I can attest to the satisfaction (and relief) one gets from sinking a screw every once in a while. Nails get old! Great vids, i can nerd out on uplift, shear panels, portal framing and bearing capacity any day of the week. Cheers!
Love using screws. Simpson or FastenMaster. Both saves tons of time
Great informational video
Good video. Wouldn’t wall sheathing normally tie top plates to studs? I understand rafter connections but not the stud screws.
Where I am in coastal Texas that's not enough, we have to tie from foundation to roof with straps and ties and a bleep load of nails.
So multiple stories take straps that go from 1st story studs straight to bottom of 2nd story studs then sheathing.
Drill/drivers may be faster, but I think you'll find at the end of the day that your wrist has been punished. There is little torque from an impact driver, but the drill/driver will be twisting your wrist all the time. Drill/driver is quieter too, though.
I'll trade off each time 😂😂😂
Not with the 40v drill he has, it has anti kick-back.
For a professional a drill/driver would be faster but for a homeowner an impact driver is more versatile. A drill/driver won't drive in large screws or bolts especially into concrete.
If you got little bitch wrists yeah
Hire someone at the Home Depot parking lot...
I was helping a buddy build a covered porch. He's super cheap. He didn't want to even pay for hurricane ties. I forced him to because I know. I wish I had this video back then to show him.
Most of us want to know how to retrofit in houses that are already built. I get the roof part, which you can do with hurricane ties. How do you attach walls to the foundation without ripping off drywall?
You'll have to remove some siding or drywall
That's pretty cool. What's the added cost on average ? Thanks.
Back before hurricane straps i used to block it so well i believe it was comparable to straps
Enjoy your videos. What state do you guys work in?
Great info as always. Thank you
So, is this a replacement for metal clips?
Or a supplement to them?
It can be a replacement for them
Are you using those in prescribed places by the engineer when it comes to stud to top/bottom plate connections? Or do you go every other one, or every single one?
I use them where the engineer spec's them. We've asked him to spec screws instead of hardware whenever possible
@@AwesomeFramers makes sense to ask for them. Been using them for top plate to truss connector instead of hurricane straps. Much easier, faster and safer than strapping everything. Plus I don't have to hear my "Shane" complain about his elbow hurting from sinking tons of nails!
I'm sorry but that's a killer bald spot man! I'm almost there!!! 😂😂
Thanks for the awesome informative videos!!
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Do you know if plywood is ever accepted if it overlaps multiple components? For instance if a full sheet of plywood covered the both the studs, bottom plate, rim joist then mud sill which is bolted to concrete.
Well done video!
Was the house that fll down attached to the floor at all? It seems like there was nothing holding it in place and it just slid off and collapsed.
Also the front door is open allowing the air pressure to get in and blow the roof off.
I open all my doors and windows for hurricanes 🌀 😅
would there be any worry about these screws snapping under pressure after a long period of time after installation
I don't see why. They have been tested to failure like all Strong Tie products and then a safety factor developed.
Wow I’ve learned so much from you. Thank you for your videos.
How would one attach the wood that lays on the cinder blocks the wood is laid on with a fully built home ??? The basement is not finished.
I screw everything. I even screw glu-lams together because I don't trust that brown glue. Last house I built the screw bill was around $15k.
Your wife probably not happy about you screwing so much…
Did I miss it??? How does an inspector know that you have these installed(especially many years down the road)? Do the insurance companies provide you with discounts if you have these?
I'm wondering the same thing. I'd like to get insurance discount, but on the current wind mitigation forms it only lists "toe nail, strap, or clip". The inspector isn't going to be able to confirm these screws after the walls are completed.
That’s a pocket hole? If you processed thru a castle or Kreg foreman system would it not save time?
I don’t know I do finish work:). Anyway am I all wet here?
I just dont see this method being stronger than the standard ties. One single screw?
I'm assuming you can remove the soffits and place these from the outside if it's an older home that needs some hurricane protection
Can any of this be retrofitted onto existing building?
Yep talk to your engineer or designer 👍
Thank you.
So when you frame you leave a nail out to give you roof for the screw?
nope, frame just like you would but instead of additional hardware, use these.
Looks to me like using screws instead of nails is going to get a better result from the word, GO!
(I know, you need to use the correct type of screw to achieve the desired result,)
Strapping does wonders
Big time saver
Is there a way to fasten an existing house to a foundation for tornado prone areas. I see most retrofit solutions only work for earthquakes.
A structural engineer in your area is best qualified to answer your question. 👍👍
@@AwesomeFramers I am looking at an option that uses a 3 foot drill bit to drill from the main floor into the top wall of the foundation, and at a slight angle. then Use the epoxy/bolt combo to not put pressure on the concrete like expansion bolts do.
I'm here!
no you're not, you're there :-)
Money spent is money saved!!
they experienced some slight truss uplift
"Many people think that the hardware companies lobby for the requirements, but actually...."
"Big Thanks to Simpson Strong-Tie for sponsoring this video"
Would you rather not learn how to save time and meet the code safely?
@@AwesomeFramers It's a great video otherwise, that comment just threw me for a loop. Let me give you an analogy:
"Most people think that slaughterhouses are disgusting, cruel places, but actually..."
"Big thanks to ConAgra Foods for sponsoring this video".
I mean, yeah, learning where meat comes from is cool, but... your subjective conclusion which is coincidentally in the interest of your patron, immediately underlined by that patronage... Are you sure you didn't accidentally become one of the people lobbying for those regulations?
@@TrogdorBurnin8or I understand your point. I think you missed the larger point though. Strong-Tie makes the hardware we've used for years, but as I showed in the video, they have simplified how to meet code.
Let me give you an analogy. We use power saws. But they need to be used safely. I would love for a saw company to sponsor a video on how to use them safely.
Or a roofing manufacturer to show proper installation, or a plumbing manufacturer to show proper installation, or etc etc.
Trogdor, I understand where you're coming from. I think there is an over-reliance on metal connectors. Sometimes there are solutions looking for a problem that get written in the code.
I do not think this is the issue with roof-plate connections. Do you really feel comfortable with a 36' truss being held to the top plate with 6 toe nails? If the roof will experience any significant uplift forces, I personally don't trust toenails alone.
@@jonblakemore6454
Just a bit about where I'm coming from:
I'm more than onboard with truss screws, whichever company they're from. I seriously would like a house that you could tear off its foundations and roll down the block a bit in a flood while remaining generally house-shaped; This is less a practical desire and more an aesthetic one. Some people go all in for French Country styling, this is my thing. I care less about "reaching code-minimum" and more about going beyond.
And the ergonomics of construction has been traditionally dreadful; I absolutely love what they've done with screw guns lately, including the big truss screw one. This directly impacts whether I'll ever be in a position to design & build a house myself instead of twiddling my thumbs online with floorplans and watching construction videos as a hobby..
As an environmental thing, it would be nice if you could achieve these results with cheaper, carbon-neutral products, though. Maybe raised-heel trusses with a balloon-framed outer wall tying them down? It gets complicated... but the new carbon economics suggests that adding a good bit of wood beats adding a whole skeleton of light-gauge steel. Anyone remember pressure blocking? That could be a thing at this connection, if you have long enough screws to reach through that many inches of wood.
If the butterfly effect were true, what is this facility doing to the world!
I would be much more concerned with the widespread use of cardboard sheathing rather than top plate connections from what I see being built around here. Unless the top plate is nailed to with a rigid type of sheathing this just causes the top plate to go with it
Top plate is nailed to the studs not sheathing.
@@kenzie0201 no, really🤡
Just be done with it and add Cyclone Rods from top plate direct into the foundation. Also ply wind bracing at the external corners from top plate all the way to the bottom plate/floor beam.
Just make the house out of concrete and throw hands with the hurricane.
@@TheGalacticWest if the 3D printed concrete houses get code approval. Most new houses could have a concrete structural core.
@cjwrench07 They aren't concrete, it is grouting. Or if you prefer Portland cement with some fibers and binders. Diamond age is the only 3D printer using aggregate style concrete.
@@TheGalacticWestI am pouring concrete down all my walls now, wish me luck!!!
Saves time. No "pico nails" for the clips. Those short, stubby little nails are a pain to hold and nail without a palm nailer. Screws will save money as well, no more clips. Those little guys cost a fortune, along with the nails.
(mariachi music rises from back) why not both!
Toe screwing the stud after being nailed ....I'm afraid will split the stud , making it less strong
I hear you but the screws are designed NOT to split, then the assemblies are tested before receiving code approval
i used both
The head of the screw looks very small
It is, but that is the cool thing. It isn't about that head of the screw at all, its the full length of the fastener being threaded. The testing is all there to look at for skeptics.
I hope the camera person was ok in those tests.
Don’t think it meets Florida code
Screw and nail everything.. Plywood the exterior top to bottom and strap up from concretes up... I would pay extra not to have my home blown away in the wind
Too bad my house has sheetrock and finished walls...
A box that big of those cost half a mill
More like 250
Lumber is crap anymore. Trees are grown way to fast and results in weak lumber.
This is very true, I have 2 rentals built in the 40's 50's. The beams in the house are real wood, they are not 2x6 or 2x4 you get from home depot they are a much different type of wood to my 70's home...
1000th like 🤙🤙🤙
I thought screws were brittle and would snap in an earthquake.
Upgrade to a cordless impact for gods sake sir. Get adapter for 1/4 inch bit. 4 to 10 times more power. You'll laugh at yourself for not doing it earlier.
Duh screws are the superior fastener
That all depends on the design and metal used for the screw. Most screws are weaker than nails in shear, so be careful making that assumption.
Back about 1960 Lag screws were used to attach rafters. Many thousands of houses were built not using Simpson products. Hurricane alley on the East coast of USA has Noreasters in winter too. Gusts of up to 160mph and no flying roofs or anything. Quality construction by skilled carpenters as all that was needed. Weird screws and weird powertools are just for profit.
A ridiculous argument 😂😂😂😂
Yeah screw, screws...
Boy, talk about living in a fearful bubble wrapped world!
How I +&$#@&g hate people who are scary cats!
The 4 1/2 inch screws are so stupid at that point just nail toe nails with a gun
Con respeto , pero ustedes construyen muy mal , puro clavo con pistola , con madera seca , se parte , es mejor el tornillo ,
We talking about rafter ties but one of those failures was due to bottom plate coming off the foundation. Very misleading, I don't appreciate that...
There wasn't anything misleading at all. You missed the point, the thumbnail shows the roof coming off, and I was showing how to accomplish the load PATH which includes connection to the foundation.
The video showed a variety of failures. Your comment is misleading, I don't appreciate that...
@@AwesomeFramers go post more lies just like the other TH-cam clowns
@@CybekCusal give me an example of a lie in this video
@@AwesomeFramers he obviously missed the point of that simple demonstration of load path