Therapist Reacts to HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2021
- Why do Hiccup and Stoick struggle so much to connect with each other?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright talk about the father-son relationship in the How to Train Your Dragon movies. They talk about how Jay Baruchel's Hiccup and Gerard Butler's Stoick are so different from each other, how Hiccup feels like he doesn't fit in or live up to his dad's expectations, and the journey of how they come to understand each other. And of course how absolutely beautiful the animation and music are and how awesome the script is. Also, there are dragons, and tears.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright & Alan Seawright
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English Transcription by: Anna Preis - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
"They killed hundreds of us!" "And we've killed thousands of them!" hits with a weight only children's animated movies can manage
That's pretty much what I think about sharks.
In the end it is a simple concept that we complicate. (IMO anyway)
"Sharks killed dozens of us!"
"And we've millions of them!"
The shark-human relationship in a nutshell.
I had this exact conversation around the time the movie came out when I was trying to convince my Russian imperialist parents that Ukraine has the right to defend itself from us... This movie always will be extremely relatable to me.
i always got chills at that scene, still do
I love how Stoic picks up and holds the axe fine, and says "when you carry this, you carry all of us" then hands it to hiccup and it immediately hits the floor. really nice symbolism there about stoic's responsibility, and how hiccup isn't capable of leading the same way
Holy- BRO I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT
@@silverwind9906 i didn't until watching this episode
And then the axe proceeds to dissapear from the movie after the the first training montage.
Doesn't it get blasted by Stormfly?
@@ascaredmilipede7971 me and my to-do list in a nutshell
It's so funny that Astrid starts out an angry, sullen ball of rage, and grows into a goofy hyper ball of energy, and her personality stays exactly the same the whole time.
Ya we really see the personality change through the dragons race to the age series, she also becomes an energetic friendly goofball when it’s something she’s passionate about like when she wanted to give everybody a pet dragon as dragon eggs for snoggletogg, but them turned into a rage ball when she found out that the eggs explode when they hatch, or her disgusting drink, but nobody will dare not badmouth it, not even stoic.
That is a fun thing about Astrid. She's always known who she is, but now we see her without the burden of thinking that her life is going to one long battle. She has a dragon, she has her dorky boyfriend, and she's free to just enjoy herself. No more fretting over a never ending war with the dragons.
And it's pretty realistic too, considering that change literally happen to me after i went through my anger issues :D
I know. Although I initially didn't like Astrid, she became my favorite character next to Hiccup during the climax of the first movie.
I think part of it is how Hiccup's perspective changes. At the beginning he views her as this badass hot and cold girlboss but later she starts showing him her more sensitive and emotional side so his perspective changes
What's particularly sad is when you remember Hiccup took after his mom and displayed the same behaviors she did and then she was (as Stoic believes) taken away and eaten by a dragon and Stoic must be terrified to see his son following the same path he believes killed his wife.
This is such an interesting take and I have literally never heard anyone else say it
omg that is so true how did i not think abt it this way-
I’m gonna be honest, this is a take that is halting you straight in the face, but that you don’t immediately see.
Why would you do this to me??
@@MissMisnomer_ i have also never heard this and holy
As a kid, I was really impressed by the decision to have Hiccup lose a leg be in a children's movie produced by Dreamworks. It's more realistic this way, and creates an interesting parallel to Toothless.
Also I can imagine how it felt for people with a disability to see a character not give up and be able to adapt to his injury
@@starrsmith3810 yes!!! The representation there is So cool
I remember reading an article at the time this movie came out, talking about how they weren't sure how audiences (especially kids) would react to it because, y'know, "omg, a disabled main character". They did a test screening, and found that the kids understood perfectly what had happened, and viewed it as "Now he and Toothless are the same and complete each other". I always thought that was lovely and I will continue to die on the hill of "Don't underestimate what kids can comprehend".
I liked that too. :)
@@LittleHobbit13 This. We as a society really need to stop dumbing things down for kids because kids just straight up aren't dumb and don't need it.
"I'm proud of you son..."
"You just gestured to all of me..."
That is one amazing turnaround
I know. I felt it like a full body tingle at that turnaround. It was beautiful.
The ironic echo, the payoff, the way he turned his own words on their head to show love and appreciation to his son in way that is apologetic, while it also builds him up where he used to tear him down. That's what I call incredible writing.
@@tiffanypersaud3518 th-cam.com/video/G65pvuTFR_A/w-d-xo.html
Omg lmaoo yes!!
I was just telling my therapist how I never get "I love you" or "I'm proud of you" from my parents so getting it from you guys here really hit me, thanks for making me cry TH-cam Dads.
You're so welcome. Thanks for watching!
Same, I even knew it was coming bc of ur comment but it still got me tearing up😢
if you have a good/decent relationship with your parents and you think it's safe to do so, you can always try initiating from your side. i was early-20s when i realized my parents never said those words or initiated physical affection anymore but that i had also stopped giving it to them. so after fam dinner one day i stopped to give both my parents a hug and a "love you." spooked them a bit i think, coming out of nowhere. i think they thought i was going to do something to myself. (depression/anxiety wahaha.) i've done it every dinner since and now they're always coming to me to make sure we get our hugs in.
Yes
Thank you for being TH-cam Dad's.👍
I honestly really loved that Hiccup and Toothless were both portrayed as being disabled without hyper-fixating on it as much as other media tends to do. And while in the case of Hiccup and Toothless, it's amputation, the same applies to all disabilities in the fact that we just want to be able to exist while also having the accommodations that we need without it being the entire center of everyone's attention.
10/10 Dreamworks.
I also love how they don’t ignore it either. In one of the specials hiccup gives toothless a new tail for more Independence
There is also the fact that both Toothless and Hiccup didn't fitted on their respective society. That is a fine touch
EXACTTLLYYYYYYY my fav disabled rep cuz hiccup kicks mad booty
Yes! Exactly! As a person with a disability can confirm. And more often than not accommodations are hard to get.
Yes!! And so often in media if characters suffer some kind of accident like Hiccup's they eventually just end up back to "normal", because in tv or movies there's no real consequences, and they don't even consider disabilities, but with Hiccup and Toothless not only does it happen, but it actually adds to the story and the characters! Amazing!
As a disabled person I loved how they had a disabled protagonist. Especially the dragon being still something beautiful, amazing and valued for its skills with a disability. It’s also not shoved in people’s faces they are just there as we are in life.
fellow disabled person here, it’s amazing how often we see either “the disability is the greatest challenge they face” and “the disability gives them some kind of special advantage” in media. it was SO IMPORTANT for me as a young kid to see characters simply have a disability and be treated and seen as equals, but also have people understand when they need certain tools or extra help to get there. equity, baby!
In addition, he lives in a community where losing a body part is not a big deal. Gobber lost a tooth, hand, and a foot; and he is Stoick's right hand man. There is also Bucket in the TV series. He have his quirks but still a value member to the community like whenever his bucket hurt his head that means a storm is coming (I think that's how it goes) and everyone listen to him.
As a fellow disabled person I loved that not only were there multiple disabled characters but that they are portrayed in a respectful way which rarely happens in films especially children’s films
I’m not disabled, and this never occurred to me- I think this is a prime example of representation done correctly, though feel free to rebut if you disagree, you have a perspective I can not view though the lens of.
Your comment made me happy, thank you for posting :)
@@NicholePV no fully agree with you. i talk about it all the time, how disability is so we represented it a kids movie of all things. this series is truly one of my favorite pieces of film, it’s truly beautiful
One thing I particularly like about httyd2 is that when Stoic dies, it's immediate. There is no heartfelt last moments speech, there isn't any last apologies or confessions or anything like that. It's just abrupt and sudden, and we the audience know there's a million things that could've and should've been said between Hiccup and Stoic, but they aren't able to. I feel like it just makes that scene hit so much harder
Yeah, I can relate to that, having just lost my grandma recently and suddenly. I wasn't too close to my grandma, I didn't see her often so I'm not doing too badly, but my Mum has been devastated, and she feels a horrendous amount of guilt that shew wasn't able to say goodbye and see her one last time.
@@RJALEXANDER777 that’s exactly what happened to me, but my mom was really close D:
I read that as ‘that stoic dies’ and was like oh ok then
It's also a lot more relatable, I feel. A lot of people don't get the chance to say those heartfelt last words to their loved ones. It's the way I lost my mom, a police officer told us to call a number in the city she was in and that's how we found out. It was... shocking, to say the least. And I think more people can understand that than even having last moments with someone they cared for, unfortunately.
It's possible I'm wrong though, but that's usually how I hear it, especially within the family, if that makes sense.
Yes!
14:00 I'd like to argue that Toothless is actually a cat. The love of fish, high places, curling up somewhere warm, initial hostility, intelligence, general stand-offish-ness and attitude. All these things are pretty cat like in my opinion. I believe when I was watching this on Netflix, it even called some sound Toothless made 'purring'. It's my firm belief that dragons are big flying cats.
He was modelled after a cat
I think it’s kind of a mix of both cat and dog but more like a cat! Throughout the movie it shows the dragons liking Dog activities too, like rolling around, prancing through the grass, loves the scent of grass, loves belly rubs (unlike cats) and the hyper-hearing and hyper-smell!
I also should mention the movie "The Neverending Story" Falcor is a giant dragon/dog
@@jarhead98gaming my cats love belly rubs and the grass was the equivalent of catnip
@@mikepeterjack2132 same! my cats love belly rubs! but that's bcs they trust me completely, cats that do not like belly rubs are cats that don't trust the person providing them.
"I love that they don't make a joke" I think that is exactly the reason why I think these movies are not "kids" movies...if that makes sense. They hurt and deal with really intense and real life conflicts and they deal with those emotions, but dont put in a joke wherever they can. They're just great, beautiful pieces of cinema and I love them so much!
I read somewhere that a movie that was made for kids but adults can still enjoy and think about is a truly memorable movie. HtTYD is perfect in that kids can enjoy it, but the themes of parenthood, parental relationships, friendship, self understanding and understanding of others are themes that kids may not pick up on consciously, but adults can and do.
"This doesn't make Stoik a bad father, it just makes him human."
Is such a profound statement, especially in the realm of TV where any misstep "against" the protagonist is seen as being a bad person. Parents are just people too; they're just like all the rest of us and they make mistakes and lose their tempers and cry when they're upset etc. It's what happens after a mistake or lapse in judgement that shows a person's true colors.
That's why Stoic is such a gem. He actually was a loving father and husband and good friend. But he was sadly forced suddenly to be a single, "widowed" father unsure how to approach or raise his son that was more brain then brawn(Hiccup takes after his mom). He towards the end finally does come around and admits his mistakes. Through the tv series their improving relationship is showcased and tackled often. Then by the time the second movie hits they are very close and when tragedy takes away his father it really effected poor Hiccup even after Hiccup took his place as chief. But in the end of the day Stoic played a huge role in who Hiccup became.
Absolutely agree! Stoic may have been closed minded in the first film, but he had reasons, including the trauma he experienced personally, the traditions of his community, and the responsibility of keeping his people safe. Yet Hiccup opened his eyes to how he was wrong. Also, Stoic isn’t always wrong as well. He was correct about the antagonist in the second film. Hiccup was right in the first film, but his father from experience as a leader and strong instincts and discernment, knew that peace would not be obtained sadly by negotiations. It just shows that sometimes our personalities and knowledge are suited for some situations, but in others it’s important to learn and listen to those who may know better in that instant. It reminded me of the beauty of people being different, and how we need each other to grow and learn, especially through healthy conflict.
@@Andrea-iw9gh Couldn't agree more. In that case Stoic spoke from his near death experience with the baddie as did his wife. It was a very difficult lesson for our boy Hiccup but in the end he became exactly what his father saw in him: a heart of a chief with a soul of a dragon.
In the book, Stoick the Vast has no desire to banish Hiccup and practically begs not to but actually ends up banishing him albeit reluctantly because the law is that you banish the kid who fails to train a dragon and it’s seen as a law of the gods though Stoick is relieved to readmit Hiccup into the tribe when the people need him to save Berk. And in the sequels, it’s revealed that everyone is named by a female Soothsayer called the Name Dame and when she calls a baby Hiccup she means that he’s a runt and should be discarded (abandoned on a mountain where he may or may not be eaten by Sky Dragons) and Stoick knew that but chose not to do despite Viking law and tradition and kept it a secret from everyone else including Hiccup and after it’s exposed Stoick admits that he did that and would do it again in a heartbeat (despite being severely punished for having done it, by being enslaved for it). Stoick in the books is a much more comical figure than in the movies they inspired but the fact he cares about Hiccup is indisputable. In fact, in the second book, How To Be a Pirate, Stoick is obsessed with getting the lost treasure of Grimbeard the Ghastly and practically goes mad from his greed but he still sacrifices his chance at getting the treasure he wants to protect Hiccup.
This is the exact argument I try to explain to people now. I feel stuck in not being able to recall or even process or share any parts of my childhood without someone butting in or demonizing my parents and that's a big part of it- they were just people. they did what they thought they should and they tried but they had ups and downs and Gabe up sometimes and made mistakes and had their own philosophies and ideas and my life isn't over for it- it won't define me if people just wouldn't define me by it- and it doesn't truly define all that I am and it is survivable. it isn't everything my parents were.
a big part of growing past your past is understanding and learning to live with it as part of you without using it to define who you are. it doesn't have to be forgiveness but you can find peace and even build back relationships once you process it and grow.
I see so many people cutting everyone put over anything right away and then seemingly hurting over it and harboring it childishly and refusing to let go and it doesn't have to be that way.
As a disabled person, I think my favorite thing about their portrayal of disability in this is that not only is it not seen as a hindrance, but it's also not glorified. Yes, they "overcome" their disabilities, but that's done in a quick 30 second montage. They also become heroes, not through the process of overcoming their disability, but completely independent of it.
I like how you can basically forget about it, until he like throws his prosthetic or something. And it is shown as a slight hindrance, but it’s something that can be adapted to. As a person in a wheelchair I enjoy that aspect of it
@@chancewells4083 precisely! Like its not shied away from but it's also not blown out of proportion either.
Exactly
Facts FaCtS FACTS!!!
It also doesn't hurt that Hiccup has Gobber to help him in that regard. It's been statistically proven that a recent amputee can actually heal better if they already knew someone who is now a fellow amputee beforehand. It has something to do with knowing you're not by yourself in that situation. And that's not getting into how his village just sees it as part of their way of life.
It seems to me that a lot of folks miss a key part of Stoick’s situation. Not only is he a single parent bewildered by a son who is unlike anyone else in the village, but he has to do a balancing act of being a father while also being responsible for wellbeing of the entire village.
I agree with a minor change. Hiccup is exactly like his mom who Stoick thinks has been carried off and killed by a dragon. He doesn’t want to lose his son the same way he lost his wife. But we find out later is that he didn’t lose his wife because of the dragons but because he never listened to her.
I love how vulnerable you guys are when sharing your thoughts with us, thank you for these videos
Our pleasure!
This episode especially touched me; first time I've cried during a Cinema Therapy vid.
"you have the heart of a chief and the soul of a dragon"
"And the body of a toothpick"
My father added on as I sat there bawling the first time I've watched this. 🤣
lmao accurate tho
Such a dad thing to do.
My guess is that he wanted to cheer you up a little with a stupid joke.
lmao 🤣😂
i love this so much. thanks to your dad!
"You just gestured to all of me" is something I quote all the time, usually in jest, but man that sentence as a kid would be defeating to say out loud.
Definitely, it was always one of my favourite quotes, and it was so heartwarming! 💖
@@trinaq Right, when he said it at the end as the call back. The first two times not so much haha.
another favorite quote of mine is "Thanks for nothing, you useless reptile."
@@toothless3835 Puh-lease, I also use this and still remember where the intonations, so much so, that my brothers also say it
@@toothless3835 My friend and I also constantly just say this all the time. The whole scene of deadpan delivery by Hiccup.
I had myself under control until you guys started the "I am proud of you" talk. Started sobbing like crazy. Thank you.
You're very welcome.
I love love love that Toothless couldn't climb out of the ravine for himself. He forced past his boundaries to come save Hiccup. I love it 😭
"Some people are too stuck in their ways of thinking to see the incredible person in front of them." This quote brought tears to my eyes, thanks so much for the validation, Jonathan and Alan, our TH-cam dads!
Sounds like my dad
Best quote of the episode
Yes! Me too, I can't stop crying..
i had a conversation recently with my mom about how when i stop letting her and my family's opinions of me get to me i'm a lot happier. Things such as how i dress, look (weight or hair) or act, etc. She basically said that my confidence is great, but she was raised to have a certain mindset about things and she will never change. It broke my heart to hear that she wouldn't even change a little for her daughter, but I guess that means i'll have to continue to work on being happy with myself and not needing anyone's validation on my choices. Hearing my new youtube dads say these things really got to me ^_^
I actually did cried when he said I am proud of you. Didn’t expect that to happen!
It kills me when Stoick says, "I should have seen the signs!" Like there was a percentage of dragon-loving vikings no one talks about.
Given that his wife was one of those dragon-loving vikings its actually pretty safe to say that he probably knows what that looks like.
@@niyah0806 Fair point!
I feel like it's a gay joke XD
@@firefeather9999 Not really a joke, more of a reference.
@@firefeather9999 wait.. oh my I never thought of it like that XD so true!
When you were talking about you’re dad saying he’s proud of you and how that means the world to you, and then you said “And some of you will never have that”. Shit dude brought me to tears, that hit me like a truck. And I don’t cry often either. I had an abusive father, and he’s not in my life anymore but the weird thing is I’ve never been bothered by people having a good relationships with their dad. Like I don’t get jealous or feel bad because I’ll never have that, but like shit dude, the way you delivered it. Anyway, I’m very happy I get you two as my dads now, you’ll be much better than the last one :)
Same I cried so hard because it’s so true and it hurts. Although I may not hear it from my actual dad at least I can hear it from my TH-cam Dad’s
I'm very late to this, but I've been binging old content and really needed to share just how much I appreciated being told "I'm proud of you."
I lost my father at the age of 13 to suicide and at that point I had never heard him say those words. And I never will. Hearing it at all, even from perfect strangers who don't know me and I don't truly know them, is strangely validating.
We're so sorry for your loss and glad that we could help in your healing journey in our small way.
"Authority without consent is just tyranny"
You got me, guys. I am not a crier, and I didn't cry on previous episodes, but you got me there.
They got me too😢
Honestly me too 🙁
I know a few parents who won't like this one 😂
Yeah same here (glaring daggers at stubborn mom’s 😠😠😠
MY MOTHER. Thank you, CinemaTherapy! I needed that and appreciate that so much!
I like the small interaction between hiccup and the axe. He has trouble handling the weight and I don't know if the writers intended this next part is but Stoic handing Hiccup his axe is a very physical representation of a father handing expectations down and the son struggling with the weight of those expectations.
@Maxx Rice I think Stoic loves axes in general and wants his son to mirror him. Plus I think it fits quite well in this situation to further show how Hiccup doesn’t fit into the dragon slaying lifestyle. Makes him look more incompetent at the start.
Swords are not as good as axes against armoured targets like men in mail or say dragons...
@@rajivdosa the axe is more versatile than either of those, it is both a crushing and a cutting tool. Maces are rare in history and the modern idea is largely fantastical. With a hammer you break bones and armor, but you can't deal with flesh. Swords deal with flesh, but don't do well against armor. Axes or spears are the best for dealing with large dangerous creatures like dragons.
@Maxx Rice Stoic has always been so strong that he can swing an axe like it's a pocket knife, maybe he thought that hiccup would have that same strength if he fought like his father.
@@adaelion3772 spears are easily the best weapon, they're light af, you can stay far out of the reach of your enemies, pierce flesh and armor as if they're the same and throw it long distances to hit a fleeing dragon.
I loved this chapter. I had my own father tell me "you're not my daughter" just because he was mad at me. And we had a 1:1 conversation later and he almost cried when I stated my point of view. Forgiveness is almost a magic weapon, specially in these father - child relationships
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To me that was a major moment for Hiccup. Cause it's the first time he really stands up to his father. He has disagreed with him before but more in a sniveling and whimpering sort of way. Here he truly puts his foot down and argues with him, looking him directly in the eye.
Another thing about Stoic that wasn’t mentioned. Not only is it obvious why he was against the dragons, but Hiccup is showing the exact same mentality of his wife who was carried off by dragons.
And in the flashbacks stoic never wanted to kill them and locked them up in the hidden world because he personally just hated them like yes he disliked them because they were stealing the food and burning the village down and carried of his wife but he more wanted to seperate the worlds for Vikings and dragons to have a better life
@@beans7348 Because his responsibility as chief is to his people as a priority. Killing all the dragons would at best be a means to achieve that priority or at worst, an irresponsible selfish desire.
@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 yeah he basically never actually had a want to kill them he just wanted to protect his people
We don't learn about that until the second movie though.
Shiiiiit this thread is so good!
I'd say toothless actually breaks the "everything is a dog" for animals in animation. There are some very tiny bits there, but dragons are super catlike in this series. so "everything is a dog, unless it's a cat"
One of my favorite scenes
is where he's like a dog is at the end when hiccup wakes up and toothless is just sitting there just like vibrating like a dog
I agree with this and i'd even go as far to say he has some very human moments. Theres a specific moment my mind drifts to after reading this and its when hiccup is holding onto toothless, but toothless takes it a step further and walks to the edge of a clift. That stunt he pulled gives me the vibe of that one friend that will protect you as often as they will mess with you.
Oh yes, toothless is a cat for sure.
I remember someone pointing this out, semi sentient dragons are portrayed as house cats normally, they aren't inherently malicious e.g. if a fire breathing cat the size of a house started using you're village as a scratching post you'd be scared even though they didn't mean to hurt anyone
Not just dogs and cats, but I think Stormfly seems to give off sone birdlike mannerisms. The head bobbing, could definitely see her as a huge, fire-breathing chicken.
I’m so sad they didn’t have Hiccup’s monologue at the beginning.. “but this here, this is a talking fish bone”
I feel like you could do another one on How To Train Your Dragon about Hiccup and Astrid. They subvert a lot of expectations on relationships in animated movies.
Wish granted.
I can’t be the only one that truly LOVES the soundtrack. It just makes you feel free and like you’re flying
‘Forbidden Friendship’ is my favorite track :) So uplifting.
You're not ! The best !
Look at the vid made by sideways. It's a damn good music analysis.
@@dotunderscore for me it’s ‘Test Drive’ when it reaches that climax 👌🏻👌🏻
Likewise, the soundtrack was always my favourite part. Just like in "Harry Potter" or "ET", it's whimsical and playful, and transports you right into the world of the story.
"Judaism, Islam and Christianity tells you to honor your parents. But honor doesn't always mean that you have to obey them-"
Seriously Jonathan, that hit so hard. Even though I am an orthodox Muslim by birth, I was always the odd one out in my family because I had a more open-minded approach to the world than they did. And so I always doubted whether or not it made me a bad person if I disagreed with the majority's mindset of life, but it's so comforting to hear this from a professional therapist. Thank you, dad 💖
As someone who grew up in a fundamentalist christian family, i feel the same. My parents never accepted my atheism and i haven't seen most of my family in 20 years. To them, i am Satan's puppet...
I'm so sorry to hear that, but on the other hand: Satan's Puppet is a bitchin' band name, so...
@@caligo7918 At some point in your life you need to ask yourself the question "is my parents' religion mine? Have i made it my own?" In my own personal experience, I made it my own and I stand by it 100%. While I don't agree with my fellow peers who left, I have to have that respect for their decision; for their right to free will. I think it's also important to remember that this perceived hatred for your decision is stemmed from love. As Cinema Therapy brought out in the prince of egypt episode, people cannot inherently hate someone unless there was love attached to it. Your parents love you but to them, you're making a morally wrong decision in their eyes. While you need to come to your own peace, try to understand things from their perspective. Doesn't mean you have to agree, but try to understand.
@@nikosfilipino
Guilting and shaming, cutting contact, pressuring and excluding your own child because of their choice of faith that hurts no one is not an act of love. Don't defend this person's parents. What they are doing is wrong, prejudiced, and cruel. "tHeYrE dOiNg It BeCaUsE tHeY lOvE yOu" is what abusers say to justify themselves.
@@anonymouse8124 while i agree, i feel as though there are a select few that genuinely do love the people they're abusing. That doesn't make what they're doing right it just means they need fucking help XD
I'm not Scottish, but I lived in Scotland during elementary school (or, as they call it, primary school), and, as far as I can tell, my friends' parents were really sweet. If anything, they aired on the side of being too lenient.
As a Scot I can tell you you got the we have company put on the sweetness parents, don't get me wrong it's a generalization that all Scottish parents are strict but it's very much a inward and an outward situation inward usually follows the child following the parent and deviations are frowned upon the simplest example is a son supporting the same football team as his father for no other reason than it's my dad's team, but as you witnessed there's also the outward family as well which is the leniency and sweetness
@@LewisJohnI hope the two see these responses to their question about Scottish parents and pin this thread to the top.
the whole "you think youve changed" thing hit home
i grew up with my mother who was a narcissist and gaslighted me
she started going to therapy
and some aspects did change
but the worst ones stayed
no matter how many times she told herself they were gone
i still saw them
and i told her
i said "You talk about how youve changed but you are still the same woman you were when i was a kid"
and she was silent after that
it hit her hard
i wasnt trying to be mean or rude
just honest
and i see her trying to change
but you cant change if you dont know whats wrong
I take Stoic's moment of regret after "you're not my son" not as him realizing he made a mistake exactly, but rather that he absolutely hated having to do what he did. It puts the audience's hatred on his worldview instead of directly on him, and lays the path for his redemption by changing that worldview.
I actually think he did feel like he made a mistake, but I agree that he didn't feel that the mistake was the fact that he felt Hiccup's decision ran so contrary to what he thought a son of his should make. I think good parents always feel responsibility for how their children turns out, and when a child turns out "wrong" the parent's first instinct is "how did I steer you wrong? What mistake did *I* make to lead you astray?" Further, the clip is not shown in this video but there was a whole scene between him and Gobber where Stoick was just worried about Hiccup and wanted to help him realize his potential, and Gobber talked him into letting Hiccup attend dragon training. His son's well-being actually mattered more to Stoick than anything else, and the last thing he wanted was for his son to be in pain. I think the mistake Stoick realized he made was that he had personally hurt his son terribly by implying that the way his son is had been Hiccup's own fault, when actually Stoick felt accountable for the way Hiccup turned out. So it was more like "You ARE my son and I failed you so now you won't be okay, AND I hurt you even further by thoughtlessly claiming you're not my son because I am panicking and don't understand what has happened to you." I think that bit of animation with Stoick's face not only showed that he was stunned by his own actions, but that he was genuinely frightened by what he felt has happened to his son. It's not unusual for parents to act angry and intimidating in the heat of the moment when their child does something that endangers their well-being and scares the parents, even if it's not the child's fault. Stoick had every reason to worry that his son's attitude towards dragons would put Hiccup in danger in the future.
Yeah I didn't see it as a "I made a mistake" moment, either. Else he would have turned back and apologized to Hiccup and made it right. I saw it more as he was sad that his son had chosen that path and sad for the break in the relationship.
@@randomlifeunit He’s staggered by the fact that he just disowned his only son
it’s one of the few spins on the “air revealed” trope/cliche that makes it fresh, by having Stoick and Hiccups’ interactions carry it to a different emotional level.
Yes, I did not see that as a realisation of making a mistake, as we know, Stoic is an honest man and he would have corrected himself had he come to that realisation. It seemed obvious to me that as a stoic it was difficult to do what he did but could not show it until he was out of sight. At most perhaps he might have felt he might have gone a little too far but I didn't see anywhere where he may have faltered in his duties or priorities.
@@mckenzie.latham91 Hiccup looked like a traitor to him and as chief he has a responsibility to his people above his own feelings. He certainly didn't think he made a mistake.
I’m just noticing now that that moment when Hiccup’s mom went up to him to comfort him after his dad’s death, her hand was going towards his shoulder at first, but hesitates and goes towards his head instead to comfort him. To me that was his mom realizing that at that moment she needed to comfort him not as a warrior or even an adult but instead as a loving and understanding mother. Thats hits me hard.
Oh wow I didn't notice that! That really is a beautiful detail. ❤️
It's little details like that. They really matter
Read it as the part came
My adopted dad is scottish and scottish kids were raised to be essentially soliders and are often quite strict so this is a quite accurate representation in my opinion
Something else important about Stoick in the first movie I think is that he wants to find the nest to destroy it so the dragons would leave, it's not like he wants to go out and exterminate every single one of them or kill needlessly
Hiccup is soooo empathic! Ive noticed that a lot of animated male characters usually lack a lot of empathy and ability to nurture (like a mother) and I adored that Hiccup had both qualities.
I always loved how Hiccup is still masculine and “manly” but in a much more gentle way. We never really see that in main characters even if they are women, they tend to be very masculine, aggressive and self assured. Hiccup has no idea who he is, is very gentle and caring while also being very cool smart and a skilled warrior. Great.
Especially since his mother is not really around.
It's usually because they have the ability to nurture (like a father). You need both sides though.
It's the man's role to take on the hardships for his family, so they may be safe and prosper.
@@jgeorge4919 yes that's why he is my crush since a little, he can be masculine in a gentle way
And i still don't get it why some people mad of masculine things while some man can be both masculine and gentle
What about Eugene/Flynn from Tangled?
Excuse you, Toothless is not a puppy, he's a cat. He's like every black cat I've met.
Have 2 black cats, can confirm!
Yeah he was based off of a panther, a house cat, and i think a dog, idk im going to have to relisten to creators comments at the start of forbidden friendship
Seriously, my cat's nickname is My Little Night Fury
Not like everyone of them. He doesn't piss on everything you own
@@hypnoticskull6342 in my experience its orange cats that commit piss crimes
This is so small, but I really appreciate having these big, strong, manly men crying. It's not shown as weak, or girly, just as something they do. As a trans guy who's struggled showing emotions after coming out due do how I was raised, seeing this be so normal is so comforting.
The first How To Train Your Dragon movie was, is and will forever be my comfort movie. I don't have a comfort character, I have this whole movie.
I am not the most romantic lass to be found, nor is marriage something I am necessarily planning on, but one thing I do know: if I get married, it will be to the soundtrack of the romantic flight scene from this movie. That's a must for me.
"We honor our parents by living an honorable life, with integrity." That right there. Pure gold.
YEE. AMEN.
No truer words were ever spoken
YES
I am obsessed with hiccup as a character. He is highly intelligent and engineering- minded but what is featured is his compassion. I wish more of the “smart” characters were written to be multifaceted like this. (Also he reminds me so much of sokka from atla)
Sokka if aang was a dragon
Yes!! Like, that would show such a good example for children and teens
true!! i adore that so much. he's obviously very intelligent but it isn't his whole personality. he is tough but also compassionate and extremely loyal
You watch avatar? :DDDDDDD
Edit: (the last air bender)
I owe Hiccup so much, I know it sounds insane to say something like this about an animated character, but it's true. He's a hero who triumphs through being compassionate, loyal, and creative. And a hero who experienced so much loss on his journey but never complained, and never stopped being faithful to his values and friends. A great role model for younger and older viewers.
This movie echoed a lot with me; I am Mexican, and my father was always tough and sports-oriented. I was the art-oriented son, and I often felt left out as I could not interact with my father on things we liked, which sucked because my cousins actually could and were sports-oriented. It took us a lot to get on the same side of accepting our differences. He never truly treated me bad, but I always felt that rift between us.
23:10, that's an awesome moment when Hiccup's mom reaches for his shoulder, then changes her mind to brush his hair. It changed what she said to wisdom from his mother, not just comfort from a stranger.
"Everything is a dog." No, Toothless is clearly a cat. I believe the director's commentary even cites watching cat videos as inspiration for his movements.
Worthwhile research 😉
Toothless is definitely both. The way he basically wags his tail when he comes out of the Alpha’s mind control at the end of HTTYD 2 is proof of that
As someone owned by 3 dogs and 4 cats and 1 kitten, I agree. Toothless is a kitten, though my kitten is very bitey right now, and climbing on my shoulder.
They referenced both dogs and cats for toothless. There's a scene in the christmas movie where one of the animators recorded their cat's reaction to tape being on their tail as an animation reference. while a lot of toothless' tongue animations are clearly pulled from dogs. The fun thing is those aren't the only animals used. They actually based a good number of his movements off horses. And not just saddle riding scenes. The famous hand-touching scene was based on an actual horse movie. It's why he does the uninterested snort at the end.
Im sure its cat and dog, when the third movie came out my dog was PINING for some female dog in heat in the neighborhood and acted exactly like toothless when he is enamoured by the Light Fury. lol All the racket, and the movement and the noises and not letting us sleep. Frame for frame lol
Whenever I was a kid my dad would literally say "This house isn't a democracy, it's a dictatorship" referring to himself and would say it as if he made a good point. It only made me feel more isolated and trapped and like my thoughts didn't matter. I'm infinitely better after moving out and haven't looked back.
Lol my dad never says it, but with me, that’s how he acts.
My dad used to say that too
Your thoughts didn't matter though, you were the progeny. My father said this shit all the damn time whenever myself or my siblings tried to speak back. Even if we were right, that's not the point. The point is respect for one's betters.
@Vanikerch Actually you can have benevolent dictators, and being honest that would be the best form of governance ever. A single decisive action from a government with the citizen's interests in mind. But in practice, the best you can hope for is Augustus Caesar giving out gifts to the common people while stabbing his fellow elites to stay in control. And you could easily end up with the current Austrailian Government.
@Vanikerch You were a CHILD!!!!!!!
Side note, I fully disagree with Dictatorships cause humans can never do them right and for the reasons you give, but you can have a dictator who puts the citizens first instead of using them as a labor force.
Back to the child bit. As a child you are not mature enough nor experienced enough to make your own decisions. That is different to a government taking away your freedoms and privileges. Until you are eighteen you have none.
Out of all your videos, this is the one I relate to the most. I actually cried for the first time in quite a while after finishing this. This has helped so much, even though I didn't know I needed it. Thank you.
Wow, thank you!
my tears are streaming down my face and neck at the last part, about being the best you you can be, and being proud
i'm just a big baby and i'm crying
During Stoic's funeral, when Hiccup was firing the arrow, it's so easy, especially with the fact that it's a kids movie as well as Hiccup as a whole, to make the small joke that "haha, he missed". the fact that Dreamworks didn't do this speaks multitudes about how much they respected this trilogy. They knew it was a bad time for a joke, no matter how small, and that's not very common anymore
They actually did this joke on Race to the Edge
@@CelVini which episode?
It even shows in how the side characters are mourning Stoic. All of them show legit sorrow, even the ones that throughout the series have mostly, if not always been comic relief. That's the thing that really amazed me about that scene.
It wouldn't have made sense for Hiccup to miss because of his growth, too.
By HTTYD2, he's become a skilled warrior. His shortcomings here are that he's naive and too willing to believe that everybody can be reasoned with.
@@annaharrington8397 I don't recall the number, but is a Episode about Ruffnut pretending to Tuffnut he is dead
Merida: Ugh my mum is forcing me to be proper and be a lady
Hiccup: my dad wants me to be tough and fight dragons.
Merida:….
Hiccup:….
Merida and hiccup: wanna swap?
YAs
😂
Hiccup wouldn't like the princess life, Merida didnt get to do shit under Eleanor and neither would hiccup. He doesnt want to kill dragons but he is hard to contain and is just as hard headed as his father.
I think merida would loveit and hiccup would hate it.
@@carloguerrero6583 just wanted you to know your comment was translated into English by Google 😭 into mourning
I feel like you guys sell Stoic a little short when you say that the moment after he disowns Hiccup is him realizing he made the biggest mistake of his life, because while he’s not listening to his son enough to understand the situation, he IS making his choice based on a responsibility to his entire community. He chose to set aside the importance of his own family to him in order to do what he thought was best for the entire larger group, misguided as that decision was.
What’s really beautiful about that little moment of emotion from Stoic is that he’s just made an incredibly hard decision to hold his son accountable for actions that he thinks endanger everyone around them, and he regrets that he ever felt a need to make that choice. It was incredibly misguided, but I don’t begrudge him that decision in the moment. Feels very much like the sheriff needing to arrest his own son, a tragic dilemma no matter the family dynamic.
Jono,
I completely understand the sentiment about gaining approval from a father. I got involved with learning what became my current career (teaching Tech Ed) taking courses in the hopes it would make my father proud of me. It wasn't until maybe a few years ago that I started realizing I don't need his approval to be proud of what I've accomplished/will accomplish.
For anyone reading this who is unsure whether or not someone is proud of them, look back at the accomplishments you've had and successes you've made. Be proud of what you've done.
You're amazing
"The best apology is changed behaviour", exactly. I don't put much value in an apology if the person doesn't put in a good faith effort to improve their behaviour. If they don't, it's just empty words.
And it's incredibly frustrating when people who have been away, and not seen that growth, only witness the fuckups. Nothing is more gut-wrenching and destroying to one's character than trying so hard to be something less terrible, doing good then slipping up and getting people tearing you apart for it. There's an incident that recently happened in my life that cost me a dear friend (or rather, at the time that I THOUGHT was my friend,) and our middle friend just treated me like nothing had ever changed. It was frustrating, still is, even after a year's worth of time. She never saw my growth and instead of listening to me, she just chose to chastise me over it. It took weeks for my wife and family to console me, but there are still times when it pops into my head and I think "I could have avoided it all if I had done _this_ instead." It's still hard though, because at what point does the 'change' make you something you're not? That was one thing I had to explain to my friend, too, just "I CAN'T change anymore. I can't become something I'm not, I can't _lie_ to myself, and be this ultimate, sweet person that you want me to be, because then I won't be ME, I will be the ideal that you want of me." Something has to give, and it can be extremely hard to recognize how far you have changed, for the better, and remember that if all you're doing is changing because a small group of people want you to, instead of yourself, it's not a change for the better.
I'm not perfect, but I'm also not _mean_ anymore, for the sake of being aggressive because I see everyone challenging me. That alone has been a difficult journey, and it's taken many, many years that I've struggled hard with it. I'm blunt, which also doesn't help, plenty people see what I type and hear what I say as an 'attack,' if they're on the sensitive side, and it's been tough to realize "you don't have to be cold, because they're not out to get you."
empty words are arguably worse then negative ones
A similar quote I've heard before is, "an apology followed by 'but' isn't a real apology." Because obviously if you're ready with an explanation as to why you actually shouldn't have to be sorry, then you aren't sorry at all.
While I partially agree with you, changing yourself is HARD.
Getting rid of bad habits/flaws of caracter is a bit like fighting addiction.
You fight hard to do little steps,everyday is a struggle and sometimes you end up giving into the urges.
Change is important and needed. But it's not that easy for everyone.
And you aren't with that person all day and cannot see the "little steps" that person is making.
I know that some people don't bother to change and I'm not talking about those people.
Just, give it time. If you can't then parts ways.
People break a lot of promises. Doesn't mean they aren't trying.
Literally.
As a Scot myself: Yeah, it's misrepresented.
I get why it's used though: The Highland Scot is the most romanticised and relatable version of the hard-working, tradition-orientated warrior that it inherently makes Stoick a much more sympathetic character.
Do you live in the highlands? In my experience it’s not misrepresented at all.
@@circadianite Grew up in Fife but my family is originally from Orkney. I not saying it doesn't exist, but there's also a large amount of variety depending on which part of Scotland you're at
@@misterwishart I live in Scotland and it's not at all like that where I am, although I know people who grew up in the Highlands and their parents weren't like that particularly so it's definitely a bit of a misrepresentation
I read that in a scottish accent and it was as great as the comment itself.
I don't know, I don't live in Scotland and I've never gone, YET, but my family is from Scotland and this definitely resents my older relatives. at least in the way that, yes its exaggerated for entertainment however I really do see my family in it.
being black sheep in a family, I relate to hiccup on a personal level (since 12 till now (I'm 22, btw))
Didn't get to train dragons tho, that's a shame
You know. I love How to train your dragons movies over anything. They are purely masterpieces with great messages and amazing music. Thanks for making me cry yet again
You're welcome! Always have tissues nearby. 😭
I just realized. "When you carry this axe, you carry all of us with you"
In his final test to kill a dragon in front of the whole village, he literally throws the axe on the ground, throwing away his people's hatred for dragons away from him.
This movie is still so brilliant in ways many don't realize, including me
he uses a dagger, not an axe
He throws to the side his helmet, not an axe.
Did you notice that Hiccup says "I did this" when he finds Toothless in the woods, and Stoick says the same thing when he finds Toothless at the end.
As a Scottish person I find Alan's impersonation absolutely brilliant, one of the better impressions I've heard its class.
I cannot tell you how happy this makes me! Thank you so much!
as Scottish is in my blood, the challenges I find with my parents even at 44, and it's in the blood, I'll admit its wisdom of living a world, and brash reality awaking that mold brash new directions... very scottish. Molding tradition in spikes, while loving a person in frustration of difference. Look at how the country survives events of history, it'll give clarity. in short, I always felt cinema tends to get the bluntness of Scottish very spot on. Explain of how in brave and dragon, the kids are brash and blunt back even if they know they cant fight the fight yet.
@@CinemaTherapyShow it's still a bit shite man, don't get too big for your britches lol. Kind of kidding, kind of not. love you guys.
@@shwing1428 it wasn’t that bad.
British parents are also mostly seen as hard on their kids.
wow jonathan. the weight of your words.
"we seek to be understood before we seek to understand"
"we honor our parents through living an honorable life"
i also had tears in my eyes at the last seconds. thank you youtube dads.
great episode. it hits me everytime in another way. go on with this.
Hiccup always came across as Autistic coded to me, mostly because I'm in the process of getting diagnosed with it myself. I relate to him as if I'm him and the Vikings are the rest of society, telling me to do one thing when I can only do another. "make eye contact or you're being rude" but making eye contact feels painful. "don't do that silly movement, it's weird." but my energy feels too heavy, what else am I meant to do to get rid of it?? I'm always just myself in public because I don't care but cyber bullying is vile to other autistic people and it sucks.
Scottish comment: cultural. My family all thought they had to parent this way too. It's only now my cousins and I are getting older Mum's generation are realising that style of parenting hasn't worked super well.
Yup, agree with this. It's a stereotype but it's not an entirely inaccurate one haha there's a lot of Scottish parents who are still very much like this.
@@dottyxpeaches all stereotypes come from a place of truth so...
@@nikosfilipino Not all of them. Many come from biases that don’t come from truth but from lack of understanding.
@@nikosfilipino actually some are flat out lies
@@nikosfilipino For example; Asians are good at math. This stereotype comes from the idea that since Asian students spend 99% of their energy on their studies and 1% on anything else, that they should be good at every subject - but math is the stereotype because math is a universal language.
Small little detail in the funeral scene: when Hickup's mum reaches her hand out to him, she first kinda aims for his shoulder to pat him on the back. But then she reaches higher to stroke his hair. And thats an entirely different kind of tendernes Hickup gets here from his Mother, compared to the sorta rough physical interactions he had with his father. Its a small little detail but I think its great. It shows that there isnt one exclusive way for young men to deal with grieve and loss, even though it's sometimes portrayed like that in the media. Sometimes a young man needs a pat on the back and sometimes just a moment of tenderness and vulnerability.
Absolutely. Im definitely this type of person where I try to deliver affection based on how someone needs it. As a person who hugs people a lot, I dont think anyone ever realizes how much boys are deprived of that tenderness. So many guy friends I had when they finally realized I was hugging to help them and being genuine, you could feel them kinda break down and melt in your arms. It was the kind of love I gave. A few guys could copy it and redirect it to me when I needed it. But its very important to show that kind of deep emotional acceptance and affection. Sometimes when people dont like being touched you do it without touching but that emotion still needs to be there.
Also you can hear a different version of stoick and valka’s song in the background. Which makes the scene even more emotional for me
How beautiful said!
I never noticed that because I tend to be sobbing too much during this scene. It really gets to me every time because I lost my dad too and it keeps tapping into that raw emotion of loss...
Anyways, thanks for pointing it out. It makes the scene so much more delicate and now I get the text she says right after that touch too.
Tangentially related: Do they ever mention her name in the series, because the name of Hiccup's mother in the books is pretty incredible.
i lost my dad last year to cancer, and you guys as my youtube dads sound excellent. he never told me he was proud of me. but every person he knew, he told them he was proud of me. speaking to them during the funeral was cathartic, and i feel sad that i'll never hear his voice again. but i try to remember everything he's done for me, and how he expressed his love and joy for us his kids. thanks youtube dads
The relationships in the series Race To Dragons Edge are very rich. The story takes place just before this movie. The relationship between Hiccup and Astrid is healthy and developed, on par of what they did with Rapunzel and Eugene in the Tangled series.
One of my favorite things that happened in the second movie is how Hiccup ran into the bane of every idealist. An actual villain. His father had his point, all of Hiccup's pacifism that worked with the dragons was useless to this villain. Him accepting and learning to balance his ideals with the realism of what has to be done was the biggest growth that I personally saw. Kind of the "better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war" type of philosophy. It felt real, and thus it made me identify with him even more.
Also, the second movie built on him in a realistic way by turning his greatest strength into THE weakness that gets his father killed. Instead of, you know, turning him into a Gary Stu that solves everything with pacifism.
@@jacobwiren8142 agreed. Such a good movie
I totally agree but don’t underestimate how scary gardeners can be
@@ghostcraft9343 👍lol agreed
@@ghostcraft9343 Don't touch a gardener's petunias
Toothless isnt a giant fire-breathing puppy, he's a giant fire-breathing kitty 😌
I mean, the lazer light scene, the "catnip" scene, the barfing up fish scene, and the fact that his eyes do the ○w○ thing when he gets happy/excited? All cats xD
He's a mix of a lot of animals according to the animators. Dogs AND cats, but also snakes, horses, etc.
He’s both cat and dog, though maybe leaning slightly cat. And also horse and bats
@@Wandervenn Correct. Definitely a large mix
YES YES YES
Just saying, it's plasma, not fire
The sad little detail that the first and last thing Hiccup says to his dad is "sorry dad" is just heartbreaking
My dad and i were pretty much enemies while i was growing up, we are alot closer now but genuinly this video kinda healed the inner child in me that wasnt loved
I’m disabled and have a limp. When I first watched HTTYD, I wasn’t disabled yet, but when a few years later my condition progressed and I developed a limp, Hiccup is one thing I thought of. Disability being accurately, kindly, and responsibly portrayed is so rare. And having it in such an amazing and beautiful story is wonderful.
I hope you're doing well, friend. No matter what happens, keep going and search for the best in this life.
Alan: "I'm proud of you, son."
Jono: "You just gestured to all of me!"
That's right
Loved it :D
I'm going through a lot right now I'm sitting in my shop crying at 12:30 I usually sit here being sad and crying but you guys are the thing keeping me going I honestly want you both as a therapist
I sit here and think if maybe I had you guys I'd be better I feel like I'm a bad person
@@kingstew4903 no one is a bad person by nature. not you, not me, not anyone. it's habits we learn from others that make us self-destruct. what's important is reminding yourself to do better. not for another person's benefit but your own. I struggle almost daily doing what needs to be done as a new dad, but I try. You need to try before you can succeed. So no, you aren't a bad person, you're just stuck in a bad mindset but that isn't you.
@Gary Gallimore man I really appreciate what you said most people online are just mean or whatever I like to think back to the hunk video they did the only thing I can control is my reaction
@@kingstew4903I hope you’re doing better now, hon.
@Kristita_ I'm not sure but I'm hanging in. The words you and @Gary Gallimore said really helps and I appreciate you guys so much for helping someone random
There was a really beautiful scene between Stoic and young Hiccup in the 3rd movie where Stoic opens up about the true relationship he wants between humans and dragons. I was really hoping you guys went over that too. However this was really amazing video and discussion between the relationship between father and son in HTTYD.
The positive masculinity in this channel is exactly what the world needs more of 🥰
You're saying that as if most men in the world were some toxic jerks. 🤨
That or they were just trying to say that mass media doesn't portray men well
@@uMaud Yeah, here's the thing... A person can have toxic behaviours and not necessarily be a jerk. A lot of the toxic behaviours we learn, they aren't inherent to us. Certainly, a person who abuses people is a jerk, but you could be a perfectly nice person and still do toxic things, potentially without even realizing it. How many young women learned that the way to care for and love your partner was to manipulate them into doing what you think is best for them? How many young men absorbed the lesson that when you acted like a hero, you got the girl? You could be toxic entirely without your knowledge or intent.
A lot of people, myself included, are unlearning the things we were taught that we now know are not good for us. Toxic masculinity is one thing in a list of behaviours and values that we are collectively unlearning. And it's not even exclusive to men! In my teens I was a "not like other girls" girl. I devalued anything feminine and overemphasized my masculine qualities, because I was unintentionally taught that masculinity was superior and that femininity is something to be ashamed of. That's an example of the sort of things we now have to unlearn.
Yes!
@@uMaud most media represents men in a toxic way. That is not how real men are. Men have identity problems due to how people expect them to act vs how they really feel.
You should check out the boy crisis book. The first half explains this well.
Also when you dream your child will be a level 9 Berserker they turn out to be a Level 12 Artificer with animal handling. Accept, adapt and encourage.
Love this!!
❤❤❤
Found the D&D nerd.
This, yes please
When the skill points you put into “flying” actually come in handy once.
Scottish fan here! I'd say there's a lot of parents like that here, I feel like the parents in Brave remind me the most of my own dynamic wise haha :D!
11:10
And this is what I love most about these films.
The animators/directors could have fully ignored this bit. Just have Stoic say" you're not my son" and close the door straight into him on the boats. But they chose to make you still like the character, even if they did something you may not like.
And throughout the entire movie they keep the defining scenes, and small detail that make you grow to really enjoy the film.
It keeps you wanting to rewatch it to appreciate all the love and detail that went into it
I love how they made Stoick’s anger to dragons justified and show him try to make an effort to understand Hiccup. Lots of parents in movies just do a 180 towards the end but you can tell the whole time he wants a bond, it’s just difficult when there isn’t much common ground between him and his son
Which is also why in the sequel after a couple year time skip, you see their relationship vastly improved to where Stoic is now Hiccups biggest fan and supporter. The end of this movie taught Stioc how to understand, listen to and respect his son, the years in between (the tv series included) gave them time to patch up old wounds, the new integration of dragons into the village gave them something to work on together and bond/connect over. Their personalities haven't changed but they have found common ground and it's portrayed in such a natural way
oof
that one part about wanting a bond
100% my dad
except that he apparently don't care about the person that I am
I can only assume he wanted another ideal version of a son that I will never be
assume, because he never actually talks to me, he say things sometimes but we never actually talk
I bet he'd love to bond with that ideal son
me, unfortunately not so much
took me a while to understand this and stop trying
I also thought it was funny that Hiccup and Stoick's helmets were a matching set from the mother's breastplate. The helmets looked nothing alike :D
@@reikun86 And I don't think they fit Valka.
@@matheussanthiago9685 You find that common ground you needed and try to walk it with him, and he wants to walk there... just not with you.
I love Toothless. I always saw him as a cat rather than a dog - his movements are very graceful and cat-like (and he's contrary like a cat).
And he has retractable teeth(like claws)
and he purrs!!
He looks just like my cat so it makes me care extra much for him cuz i see my cat in him
Also he was modelled after an animators cat with a piece of tape stuck to its tail with the tail attachment scene, toothless is a cat.
@@watermeloon1146 yep, especially bc the combo of mostly black but with green eyes is a very cat color scheme
9:03 You didn’t give him any choice. Stoick apparently also didn’t notice the lack of enthusiasm when Hiccup said, “deal”.
25:47 that was actually spot on.
Me thinking: "Yay! The first video in which I'm NOT going to cry!"
Alan & Jonathan: "If your father never told you 'I'm proud of you', here you have your two youtube dads proud of you"
Me crying like crazy because yeah, I totally needed my two youtube parents I didn't know I had. Thank you
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Mood 10/10 i cried too x'D
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me too
13:48 I love that little moment between Stoik and Toothless where its a thing of "I don't understand or even really like you and you don't like me, but we both love Hiccup so we're gonna help him in whatever way we can"
Yes!!n ✨🕺
::laughs in child of divorce::
hello pfp twin
My dad never told me he loved me till I deployed to Afghanistan. Even then I had hung up the phone trying to say those words myself. He texted me back for the first time and said I love you son. Greatest feeling on the world. He never agreed with my path in life but that... that moment meant so much.
I had a really painful childhood, which also means I never had a close relationship with either of my parents or any of my relatives. I never heard any of them tell me that they're proud of me, so whenever I hear friends or even strangers say it to me, I always end up in tears, because it's something that I've always longed to hear. Hearing it from you both means so much. Thank you for always opening up to us in your video reacts, because it also helps me in letting my emotions flow out of me. Crying is always so cathartic to me, and I get that release whenever you react to emotional movies. Thank you, TH-cam Dads Alan and Jonathan.
The soundtrack of this movie is one of the best fucking animated movie soundtracks EVER
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*just* -one of- the best -animated movie- soundtrack EVER
Met the composer a few years ago and he was soooo nice. Then we went to a concert where the orchestra played some of his pieces and on this one the whole theather exploded in applauses. Definitely one of my fav movie soundtracks ever!
@@blancaherreroespana5035 It is one of my biggest dreams to meet maestro John Powell.
so true. It gets to me, each time.
Jonathan: "that's just tyranny"
Alan: "authority without the consent of the governed"
Me: oh, they're quoting Barbie
Alan: "that Thomas Jefferson guy"
me: oh ok
Oh my God 💀
Shoot, can't like this comment enough xD
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This is beautiful
You made me imagine them analysing some Barbie movie like the Princess and the Pauper and now I really want it
"We, your TH-cam dads, are very proud of you." I can't believe I actually need a tissue because two years ago, two guys I will never meet said what my earthly father never did.
"I'll be back... probably." "And I'll be here... maybe." That line reminds me of my favorite deleted scene of the movie, where that was all Hiccup and Stoik said to each other. So Gobber comes in and plays mediator, and says my favorite line, "Stoik would like to say, "He loves you, he will miss you, so train hard. No throwing house parties. And he'll try his best to return to you, but if not, well that's that."
That whole bit with "the best apology is changed behavior" is something that I've always tried to stand by, though I've always used a...more antagonistic phrase for it: "don't be sorry, be better".
My dad says that to us all the time, mostly when we forget to do the dishes or something...
@@wolfishpotato6978 my Mom did a similar thing, she used to yell "sorry doesn't cut it, sorry means you won't do it again." Oddly, she didn't live by that, but she also never apologised to us either.
Yeah. I feel like the problem is you kind of need time to change your behavior. Someone saying sorry does not exclude them changing their behavior
I was always told that sorry doesn’t mean you’re really apologetic. That sorry was only when you were ‘sorry’ you got caught, not that you did something wrong. I don’t remember being given a better option than ‘sorry’.
I've had "Don't be sorry, be better" from my mother, and when i finally figured out why I didn't like her saying that, I found a valid response...
"Why not both?" - now she says "don't *just* be sorry, be better" and that one extra word makes it far less antagonistic.
Stoic is an easy character to understand throughout the movies and especially once you get to the second film. Dragons continuously terrorize the village, a dragon killed the love of his life and scarred his son, they kill his people and steal their food. Why should he sympathize or try to understand them when dragons have caused so much pain. And it hits harder the path he takes to overcome that hatred and support dragons later on.
It is good that they made Stoic's motivations entirely reasonable: it would have been all too easy to go down the senseless prejudice route. It goes to show how even good, sensible people can become hateful or hidebound by bad experiences - and how they can be brought back to themselves by kindness.
@@Stolanis I agree, but there is definitely a realistic place for the opposite too. Most people I know who hate Muslims and trans people don't actually know any. When I offer to ask a Muslim friend to come over and hang out, they freeze and act like I just said "I can throw a bucket of spiders on you!" or something. A good chunk of bigots are bigots through indoctrination, not experience.
We also find out his Wife Is Alive.
Yes, especially because we see how seriously he takes his chief duties ("I have a village to feed" or "chief has to be of service to his people"). It´s clear that he takes hard death of any of his fellow villagers, not only because Berk is relatively small village and he most probably knew all those people personally, but also maybe sees it as his failure as a chief (I failed to protect my people), so he tries even harder to prevent another loss... which, in this case, meaning even harsher measures against dragons (such as they could do).
And maybe that is partially the reason he wanted his son to be the best dragon killer in the first movie - he clearly wanted Hiccup to succeed him, but he wouldn´t make him a chief if it put his village at risk, which means he had to be good at handling dragons (which he ultimately did, just not in the way Stoick imagined).
I loved the personality that they gave toothless, because he is a combination of a dog and a cat, it creates some of the best moments
When I was a teenager I got a dog. That dog was my Toothless. It's a long story why, but she changed my life. That's why this movie will always have a special place in my heart.
"Men who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with". I saw HTTYD 2 as Stoic's chance to be right. Hiccup is shown to have the ability to change hearts and minds, in both the movies and the TV series, but he learned the hard way that you can't change everyone.
well, would say in the series he did managed to change quite a few hearts like Viggo's and Dagur's and then those who didn't, something else usually took them out instead of Hiccup....so I figured that's why he went into HTTYD 2 with that belief that he still change his enemies minds. But after Bludvist, he didn't even try changing Grimmel
@@mr.s2005that wasn’t really Hiccup changing their minds so much as it was Viggo and Dagur changing their own minds. People change their own minds when they disagree with themselves.
"Some people will never have that, but that's not your fault" God, that made me start sobbing. Thanks TH-cam dads haha
If you’re anything like me, it’s probably been difficult coming to terms with the idea that there are just some things we’re just never going to get, because the people we need those things from are simply unable to give that to us
Yeah it just hit too hard. Like I was aware of it. But hearing it made it hit differently.
Same. 😅 I never cry because of mushy stuff on screen (but I do because of mushy stuff in real live). But those words. They were just so real. That the last thing my father told me is 'to learn respect before talking to him again' didn't help either... 😂 (And to clarify that. I'm an adult. Who had the audacity to express her desire for a relationship of mutual respect. But the 'mutual' part didn't seem to be to the liking of my father.)
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Yeah, I started bawling. I always knew I was a "disappointment" simply because I wanted to have control over my own life, but hearing the words out loud still hit hard
Thank you for being my TH-cam dads. From someone who had an abusive sociopath for a father, and a controlling narcissist for a mother. You genuinely have no idea how much I’m crying right now.
I started absolutely bawling when my internet dads said they were proud of me, and realized I had something entirely new I needed to work through. I think I've pretty much processed my feelings about my dad as a person, but I've never really considered how I felt about the role of a father that I missed out on.