PRINCE OF EGYPT and Healing Broken Relationships
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มี.ค. 2021
- Most people fight with their siblings, but the conflicts between Moses and his siblings are pretty epic. But we can learn a few things about forgiveness, hatred, love, holding grudges, and healing broken relationships from the stories of Moses, Rameses, Miriam, and Aaron.
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright talk about the cinematic masterpiece The Prince of Egypt, and how even though we're not fighting off plagues (well, we kinda are right now) or freeing an entire people from being enslaved, the relationships in this movie are very relatable and there's a lot we can learn from them. Plus, the music and animation are absolutely gorgeous, and the cast is phenomenal.
And thanks @FunnyOldeWorld for popping in with your Ancient Egypt expertise.
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As a christian I knew the story about Moses since I was in kindergarten
(P.S CAN YOU DO JOSEPH: THE KING OF DREAMS TO?)
Can you review the film "I Am Not Ashamed"? It's based on a true story about a girl who offers forgiveness and compassion because of her faith.
Out of all the people who watched this, only three disliked it. There should be zero people who disliked.
That's true. Many would think that giving advice will help to lessen the problem (I mean if it's necessary then you can), but it's most of listening to that person who's having the problem to just take the burden off of their chest. That way, the person will not sulk not fixing their problems because it feels heavy.
Edit: That perspective of hatred is new. A refreshing insight.
P.S. Can you guys do an analysis of Addams Family (1991) and Addams Family Values (1993)? Lots of people said that they are an example of a good family. I want to know guys what your thoughts about it.
P.P.S. In my entire Christian life, I haven't seen this movie. Now I want to watch it~
This was beautiful fellas. Still going to need that Lion king video
“And just because you love somebody doesn’t mean you need to have them in your life” hits hard but is so true
I don’t know. The whole, “maybe it’s a perspective thing” rubbed me the wrong way. Does he really think people are that stubborn to cut someone out of their life because it’s “maybe a perspective thing”??? Oh, and let’s not talk about that little political comment either. As if it’s just about a difference of opinion anymore.
@@Abraham-gf1oi I think in a lot of ways it is a perspective thing. A perspective is how a person views the world around them, it doesnt mean that its an ok way to view the world, not every perspective is acceptable.
Some people think racism is ok, because of XYZ. Understanding their perspective (understanding that XYZ is WHY he person is racist) helps you understand that mindset. It doesn't make it ok, but you have to understand why someone believes a certain way before you can attempt to change their minds. idk if that makes sense, my thoughts got a bit jumbled at the end
Truth
@@Abraham-gf1oi Oh it does happen, a lot actually. I myself have left a majority of my family due to understanding that my views and perspectives will never be accepted by them, and to truly be myself I need to move on. I loved them, but knowing that they'd only accept me if I agreed with them let me know they loved me in a conditional way, which is a terrible thing to do.
Amen to that brother.
It’s like they say, “The opposite of love isn’t hate: it’s indifference.”
Then what is the opposite of hate ?
Hate is just love with its back turned.
yep. love and hate are both intense forms of passion, either positive or negative. the opposite of passion is indifference, or not caring at all
@@mistingwolf
Wow. That's deep.
Lol the opposite is pride
You know, regarding the bit about loving while still cutting ties, my mom shared with me a saying she heard:
“I forgive you because I love you, but I'm staying away because I love myself.”
I said something like this to my father and i cannot believe i actually have come far enough to speak the words outloud to him. I love him more than anything in this world but to sum it up nicely, in all my empathy i heard him in what he created for himself: "In your eyes that world (environment) is peace. In my eyes its oppression."
Interesting
It’s hard to cut ties with someone you love, but are just bad for you. I have gone low contact with a family member due to them been toxic. I keep hearing from other family, “I just need to forgive and forget”. To that I say my family’s safety comes first and I would not subject them to the type of instability and danger I was subjected to.
I love Prince of Egypt, but the craziest part about it to me is that is was made by the same people who made Shrek
Actually the team that made Sherk was a punishment team. Pretty sure most of the people that worked on Shrek did not work on Prince of Egypt.
I mean, it's two masterpieces in their own right and genre so it does not surprise me actually
Even though Shrek was made afterwards, it is still pretty insane!
And those who did not work up to the standard for the PRINCE OF EGYPT were sent to work on SHREK instead, which they called getting "Shreked" :)
i'm honestly surprised that they moved away from 2D animation cause when they put their hearts into it they can make Art
"Its not preachy"
Me as a Christian: YES!! Christian producers, do more of THIS
Yeah. If people want to make film adaptations of a part from the Bible, they should focus on the characters in the story. That's what gets people invested in movies & shows - it's the story.
“A Christian shoemaker dose his duty not by putting little crosses on shoes, But by making good shoes, Because God is interested in good craftsmanship”
-Martin Luther
This was actually supposedly made with Judaic (non-christian) sources in mind.
@@OriSnori Christians are branched off of Judaism, and this is an Old Testament story, both Jews and Christians believe in the Old Testament. What makes Christians different is that they believe in the New Testament and that Jesus was the Savior. So this movie was made with both in mind, because it’s a story both of them know
YEA
One thing I realized recently that separates Moses from Rameses is accountability. When Moses accidentally kills a man, Rameses's primary concern is sweeping it under the rug, but Moses embraces the consequences of his actions. But when Rameses is responsible for slavery, Moses holds him accountable, and Rameses resents him for it.
There’s a little more to that in the Bible. After Moses kills the person he actually does try to hide the body, but guilt and more guilt built over the hours before deciding to run away. Everything you see in the movie scene did happen as you mentioned. So in that time not only is Moses aware of what happens when you lack accountability, but knows very deeply the weight of what sweeping it under the rug brings.
Moses also accepts responsibility for the disaster of the chariot race resulting in one of the statues losing its nose. More, he tries to accept all the blame and shield Rameses from any of it, while the Pharaoh wants to place all blame on Rameses because the is the elder sibling. Both father and brother make him incapable of accepting any blame.
@@hayleybartek8643 Oh true! Just adds to the privilege Moses escaped from
This could also be down to how Ramses was taught during his upbringing. The pharaohs are not seen as human rulers, but as incarnations of deities. Therefore, all the children of pharaohs are brought up to believe that they are the only ones worthy of casting judgements on others and deciding how things go since they see themselves as gods.
Running away from home isn’t taking responsibility for your actions…
Something I didn’t realize until TODAY, in the scene before Moses kills the guard, he’s watching the slaves working and they’re struggling more than usual because they’re cleaning up the mess HE and Ramses causes in the beginning of the movie
Actually??
@@averagebreadconsumer9489 yep, they caused the damage, he never thought of it before, but now that he sees them as his people, he sees it in a new perspective
Yes, that is true!
As a christian, I love how the film humanises the characters. These are real people from thousands of years ago that are struggling with things we still do now. They arent spineless, they had their own doubts and fears. When Moses met God he didnt all of a suddon become fearless and confident, there were doubts and a ton of shame, but God still used him. A truely motivating film as well as a great example of faith.
As a Pentecostal And Charismatic Christianity, I agree
Why kill the son he did nothing wrong 😢😭😭😭😭
God I mean
@@nathanhynes1937 As God is the author of all life, He is the only one with the right to take life. The plagues that God brought down upon Egypt were a demonstration of God's mighty power that is greater than any god that man could possibly dream up. In Exodus 9:16, God tells Moses to say to the Pharaoh that God brought these plagues so "…that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." God will judge everyone justly and He knows the hearts of all of us. When these children were killed by the "destroyer" and they were brought before God for judgement, God already knew their hearts and knew which ones were to be in His presence for eternity or who would be forever separated from His presence. If Christianity is true, then death itself is just being brought from this world into the next where we either spend eternity worshipping our Creator God, or eternity away from His presence.
Every firstborn of the Egyptians died, but the Israelite children were spared because the blood of the lamb had been placed on their doorframes. So begins the story of redemption, the central theme of the Bible. Redemption means "to buy back" or "to save from captivity by paying a ransom." One way to buy back a slave was to offer an equivalent or superior slave in exchange. That is the way God chose to buy us back - he offered his Son in exchange for us.
In Old Testament times, God accepted symbolic offerings. Jesus had not yet been sacrificed, so God accepted the life of an animal in place of the life of the sinner. When Jesus came, he substituted his perfect life for our sinful lives, taking the penalty for sin that we deserve. Thus he redeemed us from the power of sin and restored us to God. Jesus' sacrifice made animal sacrifice no longer necessary.
We must recognize that if we want to be freed from the deadly consequences of our sins, a tremendous price must be paid. But we don't have to pay it! Jesus Christ, our substitute, has already redeemed us by his death on the cross. Our part is to trust him and accept his gift of eternal life. Our sins have been paid for, and the way has been cleared for us to begin a relationship with God (Titus 2:14; Hebrews 9:13-15, 23-26)
@@GhostRyder2008 ok meant no offense just a little shocked and as I have not seen the movie have a great day 😊😊😊😊
What I learned from Prince of Egypt is that the biggest and hardest conflicts are not against those we hate but against those we love.
100 points to gryffindor!
I was just thinking about McGonagall's statement about Neville standing up to his friends: "It takes courage to stand up to enemies, but it takes more courage to stand up to friends."
@@efulmer8675 I think that was professor Dumbledoor, he gives out the ten points to Neville which grants them the housecup for that year. But I totally agree, and have struggled with this within my family, so I get it firsthand. The hardest thing is to stand up to someone you love and respect and even feel a deep loyalty to, and be honest and raw, and risking breaking their heart.. That is tough....
@@LibbyPutte Actually I think you're right, it was Dumbledore. Such a good payoff to such a small moment in the movie.
That sounds bittersweet 😢
I love how in every shot where rameses has a change of heart for the worst, you can see the shadow of his father looming large, influencing every decision, to not be perceived as the “weak link”.
He was trying so hard to fulfill his shoes but instead be told. You can only be the best ruler YOU can be.
Ooo, that's true. It almost looks like a curse for him
As many times as I’ve watched this movie I’ve never noticed that smh I’m disappointed in myself
So interesting you mention a curse because in the Bible a curse can be/is generational, meaning it passes from parent to child until it is broken. It can only be broken by giving it to God and changing their lives. Commonly pride is the best example through the Bible. My grandfather broke his generational curse, he came from a long line of alcoholics and abusers and he decided to not follow his fathers footsteps but instead God. While his brother continued down the path. It is interesting to say the least.
The biblical explanation that God himself "hardened pharaoh's heart" so that he could show off his power probably wouldn't sit well with modern viewers.
Love the movie. It leaves out one of my favorite parts of the biblical story: kid Miriam walking up to the princess/queen bold as brass, and says, "wow, you found a baby. Coincidentally I happen to know a woman who no longer has a baby, and could be his wet nurse." And that it works. Which leaves you to assume that Adoptive Mother knows exactly what's going on, and goes along with it.
That's one way of seeing it. Another is the fact that that was the custom of the day for many many decades. Having a wet nurse for children of the upper class
@@aesinam Decades, centuries, millenia... My point is that, a girl "just happened" to be around and "just happened" to know someone who could take the job, could start within the hour. Now women who could do the job might not have been scarce, but a Jewish girl they don't even know, conveniently being on the scene right after they pick a baby in a boat basket out of the river, who has the presence of mind to put in an application on behalf of her mother, would be slightly unusual.
@@ChildOfDarkDefiance and children were often then nannied by their wet nurse well into childhood, so Moses knew his biological mother and his siblings his whole life.
The amazing thing is the wet nurse was actually his bio mother and he never knew
@ChildOfDarkDefiance Most likely, the princess didn't question anything because she thought Moses was a gift from the God of water. That finally the God heard her pleas of giving her a baby since she supposedly was infertile, and so maybe she believed that the Jewish girl was sent by the God's. And who was she to question the God's decisions.
I think people love this movie for the same reason they love Hamilton: It take figures that have been placed on pedestals, and makes them real people. Only people, who have no idea what they’re doing, just like the rest of us.
I love this movie and I love Hamilton!!!💗💗💗
THat's someting that sadly gets lost to time, like many of Jesus's Decsiples are often called Saint somthing, we kind of forget they're just normal people who followed Jesus and over the years did their best, many met tragic ends.
Also they enjoy the rap and pop music of it don't forget that part lol
@@BaroqueWorkNetwork The music is danm good. THe story, the visuals, it's a film anyone can find something to enjoy about it. I love it as a CHristian, and a normal person. Being a Transformers fan who loves the different depictions of Optimus Prime and Megatron's "brotherhood", in recent years I've noticed more details and come to love the relationship of Moses and Ramses as brothers here too. Heck me and my twin bro even brainstormed a Transformers version of this story, and it is kind of awesome.
@@TheZamaron To be fair, the view that Saints are somehow flawless isn't actually correct, St Paul for example literally prosecuted Christians before becoming one, St Louis was regarded as one of France's best kings but he also treated Jews like shit, and there would be no way in hell that Bernardino of Siena would get canonized today without huge amounts of backslash.
The scene right after Pharaoh is holding is dead son and Moses leaves and begins to cry is so powerful. It’s so emotional and it shows how Moses was not unaffected by the sorrow surrounding him.
this^^^^ that scene always gets me. A lot of people seem to look at the movie with a good vs evil view and forget that that little boy was Moses' nephew. Moses also had a son (he isn't shown in the movie, but he's in the original story) who would likely have been the boy's age in the movie, so it probably hit him especially hard. The line in The Plagues where Moses goes "This was my home! All this pain and devastation, how it tortures me inside" really shows this
I think that makes Moses such a fantastic character in this movie. There are so many humanizing, emotional beats. I don't think we could empathize with his almost extraterrestrial mission without still seeing that he is so human while all this crazy stuff is happening around and through him.
Not only that but moses SHARES rameses' sorrow, as he lost his nephew.
"And even now I wish that God
Had chose another
Serving as your foe on his behalf
Is the last thing that I wanted"
"This was my home
All this pain and devastation
How it tortures me inside
All the innocent who suffer
From your stubbornness and pride"
Imagine having to make that choice. God, I feel for Moses.
Fun fact: the voice actress of Yocheved (Moses' biological mother), Ofra Haza, sang her part in 18 languages
Holy Crap. That's incredible!
That is truly amazing 😃! That is some big brain business going on there!
Wow 😯
Yoooo
I only knew the French version until I came to the US, and was shocked at first, thinking the dubbing actress was sooo similar to the original, haha!
My husband is a fixer. However, he does this one AMAZING thing where when I am upset or angy and I'm venting, he'll stop me and ask "what do you need? Am I fixing or am I listening?" It is absolutely incredible and I cannot express how grateful and appreciative I am for it.
Fixer here: I feel inspired by this comment. I’ll try that!
You don’t deserve him
@@FourTwenTMeaning?
@@LFDLittlefluffydino you should be able to be forward and direct with your feelings instead of relying on someone to pull it out of you
I love prince of Egypt. As a Christian, I have some atheist friends, and when we get sad, we make ourselves into blankie burritos, grab some good food like ice cream and cake and cheesie garlic bread, and we watch this movie so we can all cry and eat and snuggle together.
Oh my gosh, that’s so beautiful!
awesome
So sweet.
Beautiful
This is definitly one of those kind of movies. It makes you laugh, makes you cry, makes you sing along, and you stand up and cheer when the hero(es) get their happy ending.
“I think all relationships can be saved, I don’t think all relationships will be saved.” WOW
Because relationships take two and if one is unwilling to change, compromise, or aid healing... it can't work. You can't force a relationship with someone who would prefer you to be seen and not heard.
Exactly. Compromise and trust are the most important parts of a relationship. Both parties have to be willing to reach an agreement, or it all falls apart.
Its true
Yep. I felt that too. It's heartbreaking, but it is so very true.
no truer words have ever been more impact full than I think that all relationships can be saved, I don't think all relationships can be saved " I'm just speechless.
because this statement hits hard very recently I got fired from my job at a Nursing home for not only destroying a coworkers fish tank but also I hacked her Facebook account and posed as her to try and apologize to her to her for my actions.
as a result of my family 's bad influence in not wanting me to work there do to my family's ethnicity prejudice about my coworkers family using me and treating me like dirt,
well, I dug up dirt and used it against my ex bosses daughter including a photo of the facility that she is working in
my ex boss called my mother and told her that I was talking ill about her when all I was trying to do was explain to them why I am doing this.
but they didn't listen,
I'm letting go
In the earliest scenes when Rameses is upset about being called a weak link by his father and Moses is trying to comfort him, he actually whistles his mother's lullaby. So later on, it makes sense that he immediately recognizes the tune, sang by his sister in an attempt to help him remember his true heritage.
@PopyStellaT. That's because in the Bible, though it's never mentioned in the movie, Jochebed was hired by the princess to be the wet-nurse for Moses in the palace. I can't remember if she knew this was the baby's true mother or not, though. (9/21/2021)
@@daniellemusella1594 Wow I've never heard that before. Thanks!
Damn, good eye!
@@febbledebble or ear 😏
PopyStella T. Okay yeah
Being raised a Christian you hear the story of Moses many times as a kid but it wasn't until watching this movie as a teen that it was the first time I realized that Rameses and Moses were probably loving bothers. The way Moses breaks down, after HIS nephew is killed by a plague HIS God sent and seeing the pain HIS brother is experiencing, genuinely made me cry. The Bible is full of stories of people doing things in the name of God but we don't always emphasize how they feel in the moment, even when it is mentioned.
In reality, Moses and Ramses weren’t brothers. Moses was the adopted son of Ramses’s daughter.
@@DianeKang In reality, Ramses wasn't the Pharaoh during this event but it was most likely Amenhotep II. :P
You right---the Bible is full of stories about people who do things in the name of God. Like when God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac
That would ignore the rest where God stops Abraham.
So the historical accuracy of this biblical story is…eh, but I don’t think that matters. The Bible is about the meaning of the story, not so much the story itself. At the time that the story is supposedly set they would have crossed the Red Sea into more Egypt. Egyptians were also good at bragging about people they’d conquered, and Hebrews don’t pop up on that list. But, we know that the Red Sea does ‘part’ under certain conditions. People have been enslaved for thousands of years, and there have been uprisings. I feel like the Bible’s stories were formed over time with meaningful events. The wild time the Red Sea parted? Over time it becomes less of a historical fact and more of a story. And people crossed it when it parted. And they were enslaved. I feel like the story grew and evolved naturally. In my interpretation, it doesn’t really matter that it was Egypt and not Sumer, or that they were Hebrew not Nubian, what we learn from it matters.
If you’re interested in the history ‘Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in ancient times’ is a fun read that touches on the subject of the Exodus.
As a new mom to my son, and having the experience of birthing him and raising him and bonding everyday, the killing of the babies hits ALL TOP DIFFERENT. The Pharoah having the babies thrown to crocs, Yohevid putting her baby in the basket and knowing she'll never see him again in order for him to be safe. The last plague taking all the firstborn kids. Like.....no way man
Oh yeah. Becoming a parent makes all that stuff hit so much harder!
But in the Bible and most other re-tellings of the story, it is made clear that Yocheved was allowed to be Moses's wetnurse and could keep him for a few more years.
Moses's sister (it is traditionally believed that it was Miriam, but the Biblical text doesn’t state the girl's name) suggested a wetnurse to the princess.
I raised my youngest sibling and I have a harder time watching this movie now than when I was younger. It’s always the children who suffer when adults do stupid or reckless things.
It's quite dark for a children's movie. But I think the threat and violence toward children in the film adds a good depth and gravitas to the film that make adults appreciate it more.
@@treehuggerdude4 This is Dreamworks though.
“If I say it it will be written”
Ramses II, in real life, lied about winning a battle that was actually a draw. So nice call out to the history geeks there.
Gaze upon my works ye mighty, and despair
@SophieJones "So, let it be written. So, let it be done." - Yul Brinner as Rameses, "The Ten Commandments". (2/19/2022)
@@Dre2Dee2 nothing beside remains
True though it should also be remembered that the Hittites did the exact same thing when they recorded the results of that same battle.
Of note; I've heard that with writing and the written recording of information so new and restricted in ancient Egypt; that a lot of their magic consisted of writing a thing. To write, read, and comprehend was not a skill that the common man processed.
And so it was, that in their minds; glyphs, runes, words had power - to record a thing, and have others comprehend it was to evoke it, even invoke it. That's why they carved their records in stone - it wasn't just history, it was magic.
The bond between the living shapes in your mind, and the marks on the wall was spiritual - if you learned the magic, then the dead could speak to you in their own words, you could see the populous rise and fall of cities in sped or slowed time, know the yield of yesteryear's harvest down to the final grain of rye long after the counters had forgotten.
So when the king says "If I say it, it will be written." - it's not just about twisting the historical record as we think of it. If the thing is written, then that is how it is - the recording of a thing shapes the reality of it.
(Edit: This also applied to curses. I don't remember exactly, but an example is their euphemisms for "death". "He passed beyond the veil." or "He went down the long river." wasn't just the scribe being poetic - the word for *DEATH* wasn't a thing that sane men just casually wrote down, it could very well bring it - to you or your family if read or written.)
"forgiveness means letting go of bitterness and anger and not hating somebody but you don't have to be close with people if you can't trust them" I WISH I KNEW THIS IN ELEMENTARY WHEN THE TEACHERS MADE ME FORGIVE MY BULLIES
An elementary school bully and someone who is legitimately toxic are two different things. Plus it’s good to teach forgiveness at a young age
@@johnmartin4119 Gaslighting.
@@johnmartin4119 That may be true in a way. However, forcing the student who's bullied to forgive the people who are hurting them only works when the bullies acknowledge that what they're doing is needlessly harmful to another person and try to meet in the middle. It's the difference between what I would call religious forgiveness and personal forgiveness.
You can personally forgive someone who's bullying you by not holding on to your anger, but that decision is your own to make. Forcing someone to forgive a person when the initial effects are still being felt can create dangerous mental connections. Especially when this is done by an adult figure... it opens up to the unfortunate implication that bullies will always exist, that they're not required to get better, and that we should just put up with everything thrown in our direction by forgiving them and walking away. It's the duty of the students, parents, and teachers of young children to educate bullies on the long-lasting effects of the way they treat others.
Toxic adults are often born from toxic children who were never taught that their harmful actions have real consequences. They tend to flock to others who share their views, which creates justification in their adult minds that's incredibly hard to break after it sets in. And don't even get me started on the whole "They're on the football team, so they're above reproach for their shitty behavior" attitude that was present in my schooling.
@@ianrose6218 agreed, but again given the age of kids in elementary school, this is usually the age where they’re supposed to learn about the nature forgiveness, the importance of it, and of course how when you’ve done something wrong that you need to sincerely apologize and work to be better so as not to repeat toxic behaviors. I’m not saying every bully in every situation deserves forgiveness but it is something that needs to be taught and practiced at a young age so children can learn the value of forgiveness and not hold onto resentment
@@anagonzalez8972 gaslighting and forgiveness are also two different things
That line "Ramesses, in my heart you are my brother, but things cannot be as they were" hits hard every time I hear it because Ramesses wants Moses back, but Moses can't reconcile unless Ramesses upends his entire world, his whole empire, and disappoints the expectations his father held for him. Letting the Hebrews go isn't in his power as a leader of his country, but Moses demands it of him because it's morally right.
The idea that Hatred comes from love is something I had heard before that I agree with. I was told the opposite of Love isn't Hate. The opposite of Love is Apathy. Interesting to think about.
Interesting, haven't heard that one before. I think it works if we take a pretty broad view of "love". The philosophy I've been most exposed to/found to be the most widely resonant with other concepts is that the opposite of love is fear, in a molecular-level -philia and -phobos kind of way. I frame the belief as there being no such thing as true stagnation, since on every scale from molecularly to cosmically, everything is either moving towards or away from any given other thing at any given time. (To continue the particles-level lens on the idea, I guess I'm arguing that we can't really choose apathy because by observing and being aware of a thing we automatically change our relationship to that thing, and thus our movement toward or away from it becomes a chosen act.) But yeah in a strictly human/emotional framework, if we take "love" in a sense where it's inextricable from fear since they're two sides of one sense of passion/feeling, then yeah I guess that duality's opposite quality would be stagnation or apathy. I never thought of it this way before but yeah I guess at the very least we're inherently by defintion apathetic toward all things we're truly unaware of lol XD
@@ItsAsparageese. Maybe that’s why it says in the Bible “perfect love casteth out fear”…
@@Karenpayne47 Makes sense!
@susannaspence4512 -- Both sentiments are true, but not saying the same thing, imo. Apathy is the opposite of love, but apathy doesn't come from love. Hatred isn't the opposite of love, but perhaps comes from it. Whether from an absence of love, because the hated person took their own love or another's love away from the hating one, or because the hating one hates others almost as an attempt to honour a tradition, albeit a terrible one; a continuation of the lesson their own loved one(s) passed on and ingrained into their head and/or heart.
I know they were mostly covering the siblings, but Moses and his wife also have a really interesting story of forgiveness in the movie. He publicly humiliates and shames her, and even though he then aided her escape after she didn't have to forgive him for that. And, in a small way, she does have her vengeance. But she does forgive him and responds in a very different way from Rameses to his shame. While Rameses tries to make it go away, she acknowledges it and lets him feel it, but then doesn't let him wallow in it when she makes him "join the dance." Then of course we see for the rest of the movie she's ride or die with him, and there's such great love that grows out of forgiveness.
Precisely. Another key here is genuinely being contrite. Moses is clearly regretful of how he treated her, and then of course his major paradigm shift happens, but yep ALL this ❤️
She was also supposed to be his bed wench in the movie, but he felt too bad to go through with it (Plus, she escaped)
@@reikun86 I might sound really stupid for this, but what do you mean that she was meant to be his "bed wench"?
@@BratzRockAngels You're not stupid
@@BratzRockAngels After Moses humiliates her, Ramses orders his men to clean her up and take her to Moses’ chambers to be used as a bed warmer.
I'm so glad to see Prince of Egypt getting the recognition it deserves. It's one of the best animated films I've ever seen.
My personal opinion is that it’s hands-down the best animated film of all time
It’s so good I can’t even. A very similar film that is super good is Joseph: King of Dreams
@@juliarunn5009 I've seen that one too. While unfair to compare it to Prince of Egypt, it's still a good movie in its own right.
The price of Egypt and Joseph the king of dreams were 2 of the best-animated films! Strong family meaning, stunning animation and expert storytelling! Great movies that deserve recognition.
Truth also playing with the big boys is one of the best songs period
A really great piece of symbolism in this movie is Ramses' comfort place where he goes after getting scolded by his father and after the plagues. He sits on a statue of his father, literally sitting on his dad's lap.
@DidWeWin1 I don't know about you, but I see a lot of parallels with Prince William and Prince Harry, as Ramses and Moses, respectively. For Harry, breaking away from the institution surrounding the Windsors was necessary to protect his own mental and emotional health, as well as those of his wife and children, and also to protect them from actual numerous, documented, physical threats. For William, his perspective comes across as being, "How dare you leave me alone in this place?! How dare you thrive, without me?!" (4/29/2024)
My absolute favourite part of the movie is when God simply says "Oh Moses".
So simple but so impactful.
No cap made me cry Idk why
"Forgiving someone doesn't mean you have to trust them" - THIS. I think so many people get this wrong, and will reproach you for not merrily putting yourself back into a bad situation. "But you said you forgave them, so that means everything should just go back to the way it was before!" Uh, nope. I can forgive someone who stabbed me, but that puts me under NO obligation to go ahead and let them run towards me with a butcher knife. I'm forgiving, not dumb.
I remember a TH-camr I follow did a video on the Christian version of forgiveness because a friend of his turned out to be a pedofile. He got a lot of horrible backlash from a lot of people because they seemed under the impression that forgiveness meant excusing that friend’s horrible actions. I never thought that was the case. Forgiveness to me, always meant “you hurt me but my anger is not going to keep me from living my life. I’ll forgive you but you are not welcomed into my life and the people in my life until I say so.”
the problem may be water under the bridge but that bridge may be destroyed
@@SEReina-gk1kx I wanted to add onto this, since it's on topic.
I actually was sexually abused by someone in my life when I was barely old enough to start talking, and it's hard to explain to people that I forgave him since. However, I will never trust him or be around him like that again. There are memories that don't get to be erased. Forgiveness was never for his sake. It was for mine. I had to heal from it, and I think it's important to reiterate that point that forgiveness does not justify their actions, nor does it require you to be in their life on any way. It is also there to help you heal from your own hurt.
@Monica Shantel that reminds me of a friend of mine who was sexually abused by her step father and the mother didn't do anything about. Years later she was still around him and her mom so I assumed she had forgiven him for doing that to her. But fast forward some time later turns out he was also sexually abusing her granddaughter. I was so blown away and devastated on my friend's behalf! Like how could you even do that to someone?! They forgave you and still kept you around in their lives, but you turn around and betray them in the worst possible way... AGAIN! I really don't think she talks to the abuser or her mom anymore after that (mom took the abuser's side over her daughter and granddaughter) 😔. My friend seems to be doing better now, but I can't help but wonder if she forgave her step father and mom after that. I figure depending on who you are dealing with forgiving someone can be so very hard, especially if you had been betrayed by them before in the past 😢.
'Forgive but never forget'. That's what it comes down to. I forgave my dad for abusing me as a child and moved on. We have a great relationship. He is a good person that has taught me a lot. But the memories are always there.
*_Something I just found interesting is how Ramses hates Moses for all of the 3 reasons Jonathan listed_*
He hates Moses because he betrayed him,
He hated Moses because he is perceived as a threat to his child,
And he hates Moses because he has been conditioned to hate people like him.
This just blew my mind.
This is a really interesting insight!
@@ceilazel6061 thanks!
🤯🤯🤯 Wow, never thought of it like that, but that makes sense!
Oh damn this is good..
Wow I never noticed that! Genuinely mind blowing
I know I’m late but can we talk about when Ramses calls out to Moses at the end? As a kid I always believed he was angry but now being an adult, it sounded more like a cry of anger and of sadness. Anger towards Moses for taking everything from him and sadness because Moses was the only family he has left now and just wanted his brother back. Truly tragic in my opinion
It was a heartbreaking cry!
I feel sorry for Ramses, his father's words were so strong that it stayed with him. Him being" weak" were his father's words and he wanted nothing but approval from his father; his pride was his father's pride, he was conditioned to believe what he did was right. Ramses was too a victim.... He was stubborn because he was fearful.
By having his father constantly criticizing him for being weak instead of supporting him, that right there is probably what conditioned him to actually become weak and hard-headed. All his life he's told he has to be strong and brave, so inside he is so fearful he will NOT be.
I absolutely love this movie, but I am sad you didn't mention Zippora, Moses's wife. She also exemplifies forgiveness while also holding him accountable, while also being extremely supportive of Moses. I wish that she had been given more time and action in the third act of the movie, she's absolutely amazing!
Moses only discovers his past because of her, and she saves his life and changes him. Then she travels with him to Egypt to help him accomplish his mission from God. I’d say she had a big role in the story.
@@AndreNitroX oh yeah, definitely, especially in the second act of the story she's very prominent. It's just in the third act that she takes a bit of a back seat. We are getting the idea that she herself has more or less lost faith in God and that she is getting it back, through her interaction with Miriam, but I'd love to have seen more of it. I love that she's given her own arc that exists more or less seperate from supporting Moses, but nevertheless, more would have been nice :)
I always thought Zipporah was SOOO cool. Like, she is super supportive and forgiving, but she also takes no shit from him when he's a stranger, and she still doesn't take shit from him when he's her husband. And their marriage scene is just gorgeous
The movie's not really about her, so she wasn't given that much time.
Yeah they should have talked about the passage in the bible where on the way back to Egypt, god tries to kill Moses and she circumcises their son to save him. Exodus 4:24-26
My dad was actually an animator on this film. There was a character designed after me (when I was 4 years old), the little girl at 19:00 in this video.
That’s so cool!
Lucky ;^;)/
Whaaaattt o.o that's amazing!
One of my Bible profs from college also helped, Dr. Byron Curtis, and he was a major influence in changing the song from, "If You Believe," to, "WHEN You Believe." :)
That is really freakin cool 😃!
Wow, that is truly amazing
I think why this film works so well with everyone and not just for abrahamistic theists is simply, because it doesn't come across as preachy by leaving the actions within the characters agency.
There is no 'hardening Pharaos heart' or anything that makes the story come across as bias.
The characters just feel like they are reacting as people and it makes it feel so much more real outside of the beautiful artistry of the movie itself.
I love that it shows the real struggle with faith and relationships and learning that the world isn’t black and white and it doesn’t make Moses seem like he’s a perfect, most holy, righteous man but as a man who has seemingly strayed from God and participated in hurting his people. Every bit of this movie portrays human faith so well and it makes me feel connected to God more than any preacher ever has. Especially after the scene with the burning bush where God is forgiving Moses for his sins and tells Moses that He will be with him through this all.
Look up the words that "hardening of heart" was translated to English from. It doesn't mean God "forced" his heart, but gave him to the desires of his heart. Sadly much of English translation is oversimplified.
I actually think his heart did harden, its a small but very distinctive moment : th-cam.com/video/8wGUvBELwRU/w-d-xo.html
and also a lyric in the plague is " then let my heart be hardened"
@@thelastunicorn949 I don’t think you understood that person’s comment. When God hardens your heart, it is to say he KNOWS you hate him and has given up on you. You feel the absence of his love and forgiveness so all you can do is become hateful.
It’s a lot to process. Bc God doesn’t give up on people unless they truly don’t want anything to do with goodness (which is a gift from God). The “hardness” is a refusal to forgive, accept reality, admit truth. And often people harden their heart when they’ve seen all God is capable of, and hate him anyway. That was the point of the plagues in Egypt - God was destroying every idol they worshipped and forcing them to admit he was real.
Ramses at this point understands that each plague is God saying “this specific idol is false, I’m real. Let the Hebrews go.” And Ramses hates God for it. That’s what makes him try to kill the Hebrews at the Red Sea. He is fully aware of who God is, and what he has to do and disregards it entirely. He couldn’t accept reality and the truth made him hate God and Moses 😭 It’s very heartbreaking actually
@@thelastunicorn949 "-- and never mind how high the cost may grow. This will still be so. I will never let your people go!" This movie left such an impact on me, from when I first saw it as a child. I don't think those songs will ever leave my brain. (8/4/2023)
I love the scene where Moses looks out the window and sees the slaves suffering but when he asks Rameses to look out the window the slaves are not there because Rameses doesn't see them. It was a great way to visually represent their different perspectives.
They also did a fantastic job showing how much it pains Moses to have to carry out the plagues against the Egyptians. Like after the last plague, when Moses leaves the palace after Rameses tells him his people may go, he collapses against a wall because he is so overwhelmed by the weight of the pain and suffering caused by the plagues.
I also find it interesting that Rameses fear of being the weak link causes him to be the weak link.
The only quote about forgiveness I've ever heard and liked is "Forgiveness is not about forgetting, it's for getting to a better place."
Forgiveness is not for the other person, it's for you.
Forgiveness is relinquishing the power a person has over you.
Yes, but most people would prefer you forget as the form of forgiveness, so they can get an easy pass to deliberately make the same mistake again
@@Overseer2579 unfortunately this is an excuse my parents used all the time, ironically backed up with the phrase “to be a Christian is to forgive”
But only seemingly using it as an excuse. You can only hear “I ’m not perfect” so many times before it becomes clear it’s an instinctive reaction
(To be clear I’m not knocking any of you that are believers, just those that use it’s tenants as an excuse to not change)
Forgiveness from me is a guarantee, as per my policy. Pardoning, on the other hand...
"One person has changed, and the other hasn't." "You can love people but still cut ties with them." "It wasn't a healthy relationship." "Just because you love somebody doesn't mean you need to have them in your life."This whole video feels like it's describing me and my ex...
It seriously describes me an my younger sister.
You're absolutely right!! You don't have to hate someone to realize their place in your life is not healthy for either one of you. Y
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It was always really hard watching this movie knowing that Moses & Rameses never and never will be able to reconcile after the Red Sea scene. Cause there was obviously brotherly love between them, but Moses had to part ways from him forever. Neither got out of that situation emotionally unscathed 😢.
I don’t know if it’s in the extended cut, but an important part that you guys didn’t really cover is Moses’ time in the desert. The song “Heaven’s Eyes” is a beautiful lesson in forgiving yourself and measuring your worth not by what you are or where you come from, but who you are and what you do with your life.
That's my favorite song throughout the entire movie! I love how easy to understand it is (especially since I watched this at a very young age), but they do it in both a fun and beautiful way. ❤
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Moses parting the Red Sea is honestly one of the most incredible, moving pieces of film ever. The animation, the music, the emotion, my goodness.
Bible: Pharoah's daughter
Movie: Pharoah's wife
Real life royalty: Does it matter?
It's all relatives.. lmao
To be honest the Egyptian monarchy was so inbred that both might have been true
It's the same thing
Tbh she was both. Her father was also Pharaoh
I mean, you’re not wrong.
"In the bible, it's his daughter, but in the movie it's his wife"
My dude. This is ancient egypt. She could be both.
Lol 😆 👍... Alabama called...
I hate that you're righTBSKDHS
Nah, that's just for siblings. But yes, definitely Alabama worthy.
@@magdalena9405 sweet home ancient Egypt
And also in the mummy with Brendan Fraser seti the first is in it but is rameses father in this movie but in the mummy movie has a backstabbing priest and a cheating wife. ( not really Hollywood)😒
My husband and I adopted our twins (who are 20 years old) and my son at three would watch this movie and say, " Pharaoh adopted Moses, like you adopted us," So this movie has a speical place in my heart.
As someone whose sibling is pretty much my best friend, I cry every single time I see Rameses' and Moses' relationship falling apart. I still absolutely love this movie, and I watch it every Passover.
"You can forgive, but you don't have to trust." Exactly! It's not because you've forgiven someone that you have to let them back into your life. It just means let's move on from hurt and anger.
*from hurt and anger
I wish some people I know would realize that. I forgave the one who hurt me, but it was an unhealthy relationship, and I cannot afford to trust them, or have them as part of my life again.
@@Checkmate1138 yes duh keyboard issue
Those people usually try to guilt-trip you with "if you had really forgiven me, you would trust me"
Never fall for it, friends
@@maryzinhaahright, classic gaslighting tricks
When you're reading to bible it's sometimes easy to forget that these were actual human beings with human emotions. This movie shows that wonderfully.
also reading the book of lamentations would even tell you that! The bible isn't a bed time story or a fable but actually a compilation of divinely orchestrated historical accounts written in stone tablets to pass onto the next generations to come
Even Jesus was shown to have emotions. He got angry, he cried, he had fear.
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 Some people, including people I know, have had trouble reconciling with this. I believe it's why "Jesus Christ: Superstar" isn't exactly embraced warmly in certain circles. (2/6/2022)
When reading the Bible you should know it's propaganda to make people hate and kill. This is not who Ancient Egyptians were. The Hebrews wrote things to make themselves into victims surviving terrible things but none of it is true. They were the aggressors murdering people and cultures. The philestines are thought of as stupid brutes but in reality through real science and ignoring the horrid Bible we have learned they were artists, philosophers, had laws, defended their people from warmongering chosen people that thought a God said they are the only ones who get to live.
The movie itself is highly un-biblically accurate but what you're saying makes sense.
11:39 i never noticed this before but moses looks so uncomfortable being in these halls, when this was his playing ground where he grew up and had happy memories with Rameses. Such a cool little detail to emphasize that he really doesn't belong in this world anymoreand could never go back
When me or my partner are upset we ask each other if they want solutions or sympathy. That way we can avoid rushing in to fix a problem when the other person just wants a shoulder to cry on.
that is so wise and I will take that into account, thank you :)
I wish I could try that!
I honestly just cannot believe how STUNNINGLY ANIMATED this movie is, on top of all the other ways that it’s fantastic. Me and my friends always say that you could take pretty much any frame from The Prince of Egypt and hang it on your wall.
Also the fact that the animation still looks immaculate all these years later really shows the love and talent that went into this film. It’s one of the greatest of all time in my opinion.
There’s also so much detail you should freeze every scene and analyze it
@@akatsuki3399 that is especially amazing if you think that this movie is one of the very first examples of blending 2D animation and 3D backgrounds, and even 10 years later it still didn't always mesh properly. They did SO MUCH INCREDIBLE WORK on this movie.
It was hand PAINTED.
Yeah, especially the one with Rameses' butt.
Absolutely love the movie, just jk.
I know a parent who when their kids came to talk to him about something would ask "do you want advice, want me to get involved or do you want my ear?" He said 9 times out of 10, they just wanted him to listen.
I'm borrowing this for when I become a parent
Anytime any one of my friends rants to me i make sure to ask them before they begin if they are solution oriented or if they just want to talk it out so I can properly formulate my responses. I'm often told I'm a good listener :)
Smart. :03
Dad of the year
The Prince of Egypt is easily one of the best animated movies ever made. The visuals are stunning, the actors hired to voice the characters is absolutely A-list, and the fact that the filmmakers were able to create a movie that is both faithful to the source material as well as appealing to non-believers is absolutely incredible. I know many people who do believe, and do not believe, and they all absolutely love this movie. I saw it in the cinema when it first released and I absolutely loved it. I still love it nearly 25 years later. I watch it a couple times a year and it always blows me away.
I went to a catholic school so I’ve seen this movie so many times, yet despite how often I’ve seen it I never got tired of it. It’s a beautiful movie, and the soundtrack is amazing!
One thing I love that may or not be intentional is when their father says "The weakest link can BREAK the chain of dynasty!"
In the movie, this line basically haunts Ramses and becomes his motivating factor. It defines his endless pursuit of power.
...but for Moses, there's a second layer to that phrase. Even a small 'insignificant' person with no power, money, influence or anything can stop the chains of slavery. For Moses it foreshadows the power that he's not even aware he has to change things.
In the most literal sense a single poor generation can destroy everything your entire lineage has built, a single weak ruler can spell the end of the royal family.
Well said!
I love how you put what I was thinking into words!
I love that this line can be taken as both a threat and a promise: a threat for Ramses; a promise for Moses.
Omggg that's deep :0
When Ramses says "A greater Egypt than that of my father" it zooms out and you can see the statue of his father is overshadowed by a slightly larger statue of him. Great detail and vivid parallel to the earlier shot with his father scolding him.
Never noticed. Cool
Also the fact that the city has become much larger than the one under his father’s rule
And he got his wish. There was a cry in Egypt that has never been heard before or ever will be again.
23:35 that's the single moment I never forgot from this film. You pointed out something significant that the overblown heston epic missed: With Ramses not able to have friends, Moses is someone in his life who is closer than a brother. Everything that has happened has done far more than stab him in the heart, and perhaps the only way to alleviate that pain is to destroy the one who, in a sense murdered his brother (being Moses himself)
The Passover scene is one of my favorite movie scenes and Alan broke it down so amazingly. The haunting ethereal music, the sound design, the look of the power of God. And when using headphones it sounds even more haunting and sometimes I even get goosebumps
Also the music is one other part the makes this movie so great. The music that plays when Rameses looks at Moses with hatred is one such example. As well as the song when the Hebrews are leaving Egypt.
"Hatred comes from love. We can hate someone for three reasons: We once loved them and they betrayed us too deeply, they're a threat to people we love or we perceive them as such, or we're taught to hate them by the people we love."
Holy shit. That was one of the most brilliant breakdowns I'd ever heard. You summed it up perfectly. Bravo, sir.
I was raised Christian and am now Wiccan. This film and the musical "Jesus Christ Superstar" are two of my favorite Biblical-based works of art because while they can be viewed as religious pieces, they don't focus on religion or being preachy and instead tell deeply human stories that everyone can appreciate and relate to. Your analysis of this was fascinating to listen to. Thanks and wishing everyone a happy Passover, Easter, Ostara, Spring Equinox, whatever you celebrate.
Just like a certain man once said: "When a man learns to love, he must bear the risk of hate."
Happy Ostara!
@@Ganychan Thanks! You, too! Blessed be!
@@PresidentFunnyValentine A certain man with some really useful eyes.
Sorry for not knowing but what is Wiccan?
I hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE how underrated this film was. It did not get the recognition it deserved. The voice cast, the music, the story, the animation, all of it was AMAZING.
It made 200 million…box office not even sales now. What is underrated about this for y’all
@@iBarkBite its underrated not because it was successful in the box office but because NO ONE talks about it. it never is mentioned in conversations between people. you don't hear people talking about how great this movie was years after it was made like you see so many others do with other movies. take classic disney movies you NEVER stop hearing about them and how good they were even though its been decades since their initial release. how often have you heard people talk about the Prince of Egypt vs a classic disney film like cinderella, lion king, the little mermaid, snow white and the seven dwarves, sleeping beauty. this movie is just as amazing if not more than those and yet you never hear people bring it up in conversation. that is why it is underrated as hell and not given the praise it deserves. not because it didn't make massive money in the box office. it did but because basically no one still talks about it.
@@dawnseeker176 I think the reason why is because it’s also a religious movie since it’s based off the journey of Moses and many people nowadays aren’t as religious while more and more ppl are conflicted with religions. So another example would be Notre Dame since it’s also a good film (not as good as Prince of Egypt tho) but not that many ppl talk about it since it has religion as one of its main backgrounds.
@@hyperbolicraider4848 this movie doesn't focus heavily on religion its not the main point of the story. anyone can enjoy this movie i am not religious hell i even have a bias AGAINST Christianity and i still enjoy this movie. and many other atheists and non religious people enjoy it too. the main thing is unlike many religious movies which tend to portray atheists as cruel heartless evil people. or try to force a religious message onto you. The Prince of Egypt reads more as an adaption of a legend and it takes a neutral stance and instead focuses on the relationship of moses and rameses two brothers torn apart by separate paths forcefully pitting them against eachother. religion really has nothing to do with it.
It got all the attention when it came out! What are you talking about? People don't remember it as much now cause it does not have the Disney label, but this was all the rage when it came out.
This film is phenomenal. As a Christian, I really love how true and respectful to the source material they are but are able to use the space between what is written to craft some really incredible characters and build on the story. I will say that the one who really got a raw deal though is Aaron. In the biblical account, he was behind Moses all the way and wasn’t the doubter that he was in the movie. In fact, a lot of interpretations of the Bible indicate that Moses wasn’t a good public speaker and/or had some sort of stutter so Aaron did most of the formal communicating and translating for him. Pretty interesting fun fact.
This is a perfect example of what love actually looks like. It isn’t all flowers and rainbows and it isn’t agreeing with and supporting everything someone does. It means wanting the best for them, even when they’re at their worst.
That scene where Aaron walks into the parted sea first when everyone else is afraid. 😭 It's beautiful. "I trust you. You've proven that I can."
Not accurate to the original story, though. In fact this movie as a whole really did Aaron dirty for the sake of a more dramatic story.
@@MetFanMac As a scene in a movie, it's one of my favorites, but you're right, not just with Aaron, most of the movie is inaccurate.
@@sariarellano5606 I mean, compared to what Hollywood is normally capable of (looking at you, Exodus: Gods and Kings), this was accurate enough to be satisfying. Aaron's role is probably the worst inaccuracy, though.
@@MetFanMac I know it'sdifferent from the original story but I don't thtink it really counts as doing Aaron dirty. We have an admittedly quiet but still strong character arc for him. We see him as a man who's been a slave his whole life, who's had his trust, faith, and hope beaten out of him by years of misery, a man who only has his sister left in the world and tries to keep her safe - Miriam gets through every day of her trauma by putting all her faith and hope into her conviction that her lost brother was saved for the purpose of saving them and that he will come back for her, her brother and their people to free them, Aaron gets through every day of his trauma by trying to keep his head low and trying to avoid getting noticed. We see him throughout the movie regain his faith, learn to trust again, learn to hope that life could be better. We see him genuinely smile possibly for the first time in years. And considering when he said "When did God start caring about any of us? In fact Moses, when did you start caring about slaves?", it's a pretty big development when he's standing in front of the parted seas and looks back at the crowd with what's either a "Well? What are you waiting for? Let's go" look or a "You can stay there and stare if you want, I'm going on" look, he's effectively also saying "God is here. Moses is here. It'll be alright".
As a Christian, I really wish we had more movies like this that can tell a beautiful story, without being preachy, like most of "christian entertainment”. It’s faith building for me, and it’s a masterpiece for everyone.
And the humanity shown feels so nice! In the bible it's kinda hard for me to Imagine the people having emotions. But here it's shown so naturally, and i love it!
As a Christian myself I watch this film every year on Passover, I love it so much I wish more Christian movies were this good!
As a christian myself as well, I absolutely love and adore this film!
a compelling story with great artistic merit and not just preachy propaganda, unlike certain other Christian movies
* * cough cough - - God's Not Dead - - cough cough * *
I honestly recommend another Disney christian movie called Joseph the king of dreams and every time I see it I feel like it really is made by the same people same kind of drawing of characters
"You can cut ties with someone you love" and "Just because you love somebody doesn't mean you have to have them in your life." are the two exact phrases that helped me settle an inner turmoil I've been struggling with for over 2 weeks now. My dad doesn't support my identity and who I am, but we both still love eachother and want the best for eachother. It's a relief to know that I can still love my dad but cut ties with him
I know your comment is from months ago but I just wanted to say, I’m going through the exact same thing ❤ I hope you get through it
18:00 "The Plague" music number also further explored Mosses and Rameses fractured relationship where the former sang, "I wish that God has choose another / Serving your foe on his behalf was the last thing that I wanted."
I loved this movie. This was indeed a humanized telling of the Story of Mosses. It does hit home for me due to not having the best upbringing, but that's here or there. In a way, it's a family movie that shows situations that some families deal with everyday, but also focus on forgiveness, redemption and making heart-breaking choices.
This is a great deep dive from a therapist and filmmakers perspective.
What always hit me the hardest of this film is how fucking traumatized Ramses was because of the words of his father and is even sadder to see him break with every scene he gets. I will always get sad when he says “How could you have come to hate me so” I’m the plagues and also how when the song ends, Moses is standing still while Ramses goes to hide in the shadows away from the light
Yeah! This movie does an excellent job of portraying Ramses as the “villain,” but still making him human and vulnerable. He’s lost his son, his brother, and even himself. In this aspect, he’s not truly a “villain,” even though he’s done some god-awful things. He’s the antagonist, but still human.
Don’t forget that Islam is also based in Abrahamic tradition. We follow and love this story too. The prophet Moses (Mussa) is one of the most revered prophets and plays an incredibly important role in Islamic tradition as well.
This was always my favorite movie growing up. 🥰
islam 🤝 catholicism 🤝 judaism:
loving prince of egypt
@@paulasalazar2093 agnosticism 🤝 atheism
loving this movie
Salam aleykum! Preparing for ramadan?
I didn't know that but now I do!
Cool!
I have a theory that Abraham's first son born of the servant woman was the father of the people who would practice Islam. I am unfamiliar with the religion to know if there is any base for such a thing
the line "I will not be the weak link" always hit me so hard growing up. Just that constant want to live up to expectations and be the responsible one.
There’s a song in Spanish that says something along the lines of “tell me that you hate me so that I can be sure you once loved me”
As a Christian, I am extremely happy with how respectful you both were of this movie and it's origins from the Bible and Torah. A lot of TH-camrs blatantly disrespect religious and cultural beliefs when reacting to movies, and it really makes me sad. Thank you so much for not only acknowledging this movie's origins but also for respecting the beauty of it, even if it does represent a religion that you might not agree with. ❤️🤗
They are Christians actually 😊, but you're right this kind of respectfull conversation is really rare
God bless
@@eugeniefohr8369 oh okay I'm really happy to hear that! God bless you too🤗❤️
@@eugeniefohr8369 wait for real?
@@ateenofnoculture5767 they’re members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or, as they’re more commonly know, mormons. Being from Utah, they’re some of the most open and chill members.
@@feliciaann721 ohhhhhhhhh ok ok. I didn't know that
The last plague, that scene with the angel of death gives me goosebumps. The absolute silence that contrasts with the angel of death's sound effect is absolutely chilling. It's not peaceful and it's not painful, it's just the children are alive and then they are not. It's so absolute and inevitable, and wholly inhuman. It's like it's too big to comprehend and that is just terrifying.
One of those scenes that you never forget honestly...
@@nenep1872 Yup. I remember watching this years ago when I was younger snd that scene is the one that ive never forgotten lol
I also...”love” that it shows adult firstborns dying too. Like, your age doesn’t matter, your wealth doesn’t matter, this is coming for you. It was chilling
If you really turn up the volume and listen to the "silence" you can actually here the wailing of the screaming of the parents who lost their children.
The sighs when it passed through gave me the chills. Yet, it doesn't sound malicious or threatening.
note on the temple architecture: the crew actually traveled to egypt to study temple architecture and many of the buildings you see in the movie are reconstructions of real places.
I felt so bad for ramesis whos trying to hold on to a terrible legacy forced onto him. I also felt bad for the people that died in the plague. I really shouldn't have felt bad for him, but I did and that's the magic of this movies storytelling and great character development. I love this movie. (I am not a religious person at all btw).
I think it is a very good example of how people who actually are really good in their hearts are corrupted/poisoned by an evil system and a toxic family/inheritance and the consequent expectations they have upon themselves. It's a really sad, sad story, but it's got a lot of realistic relationship dynamics and nothing of the sort of black and white thinking
FINALLY THE PRINCE OF EGYPT YES YES YES THE BEST ANIMATED MOVIE EVER
AGREEEEDDDDD
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While I agree with you, Joseph King of Dreams doesn't get enough love
This atheist here agrees
People who never read the bible watching the ending: Aaw, the hebrews are free and everyone is happy :)
Christians watching the ending: *Sweats profusely
Well, let's assume those are already the second set of tablets he carries down from the mountain.
Yeah I'm like craning my neck looking for the golden calf. lol
Which I never understood even as someone who was raised Christian in Christian schools. Just how. HOW could the people have seen all of those miracles and then _immediately_ start worshipping a statue they made themselves once they were left alone for five minutes without divine supervision (hyperbole obviously but come on!)???
Like seriously? Y'all deserved to wander for 40 years after that kind of foolishness! 🤦
@@kriscynical I think most of them thought of God and the golden calf as the same. One has to remember that the idea of a God that wasn't physically percievable was a bit of an outlier in the cultures of those days. So having some image/idol of your god was the normality.
The hebrews thought they were worshipping the same God, just in a slightly different manner, and perhaps even a more "ordinary" way (as in "the way everybody else does it") than what they had done before.
They didn't realize that they were adopting practices that God clearly renounced.
And the thing is, the exact same thing happened centuries later after the northern and southern kingdoms split. Jerobeam, the king of the 10 northern tribes, built temples for God in the way he saw fit (with their own golden calfs/bulls no less) and it is condemned as "Jerobeams sin".
Yeah, that was the best place to end it for the sake of a kids movie
@@kriscynical me neither lol
hatred comes from love. I figured that out on my own but it's crazy to hear someone else say it.
You know, I’ve always taken that scene where Ramses asks Moses to let him sweep what he did under the rug as him begging to not lose the one person who saw him as a human and not as just some future figurehead. As well as begging to not be left alone with their father, whose influence left this horrible mark on him. It always feels like he knows what will happen when Moses leaves and he doesn’t want to face it.
I was raised catholic and I don't identify with that anymore but this film is still some of the best religious education I ever experienced in my life. What an absolute classic.
It really gave me a lot of context to the story and grounded it in humanity
@@okikeure7422 for sure, a lot of bible tales give me ancient myth kind of vibes and this is much more recognisable. That human element was hard to come by in catholic school.
“Hatred comes from love”
It makes perfect sense to me. To feel such a strong emotion, one must first have an equally strong emotional investment to betray.
Love and Hate are the two concepts in life that are closer than some people think.
This is the biggest yt take
All I could think of when I read that was Anakin Skywalker, and how he loved too much. He was so scared to loose his wife that he killed for her, only for him to, in a twist of cruel irony, be the cause of her death. His love for her spiraled into hate when he believed she betrayed him. By the end of episode 3 Anakin, hated that he couldn’t keep her, he couldn’t let her go.
@@garrettviewegh677 I feel like its a recurring theme of love and how it can lead people down the path of hate. They say love is blind, but more often seems like tunnel vision. Whether its a spouse, child, or a friend, people will center their whole lives around someone who is as temporary and imperfect as they are and expect life to be picture perfect. But when loss or even the fear of loss comes into play, as unthinkable as it is, it can drive a person to fall apart and take it out on the rest of the world. Love does spiral into hate because people feel like the love of one person is all that matters and without it you're nothing. A good example would be an episode of Marvel's What If where Doctor Strange ends up destroying the whole universe for someone he loved and ended up with nothing. Love is beautiful, but we cannot let it's absence bring us down.
Literally I'm over a year late to this, but I just discovered your channel - I just wanted to thank you for saying "Abrahamic traditions"! I'm Jewish and really don't like when people say "Judeo-Christian" (since usually they're either talking about something that's really only applicable to Christianity and they're wrongly assuming it's true of Judaism too, *or* it's true of Judaism, Christianity *and* Islam. But Islam shouldn't be excluded or erased). I love this movie so much - I watch it every year during Pesaḥ (Passover), and the relationship between Moshe Rabbeinu (Moses) and his siblings - both adoptive and biological - is so complex and moving. Thanks for this sensitive and emotional exploration!
In the song the Plagues there is a lyric that hits so hard “And even now I wish that God, Had chose another
Serving as your foe on his behalf, Is the last thing that I wanted” is that Moses never wanted to be the one to go against Remeses because he still loved his brother and going against a sibbling you love so dear is very hard.
My absolute favorite part of this movie comes after Moses confronts Rameses in the aftermath of the Passover scene. Moses walks away but as soon as he gets outside, he just *crumbles* to the ground and sobs. It's so visceral and painful but it's so beautiful, because the movie could have had Moses completely turn on Egypt, and become completely cold and uncaring, but this moment of humanity hits so hard because Moses still cares *so much*. Moses understands his responsibility to free his people but I think part of him hates that he was chosen. The journey Moses' character takes during this movie is breathtaking.
Not even subtext.
"Once I called you brother
Once I thought the chance
To make you laugh
Was all I ever wanted...
And even now I wish that G-d
Had chose another
Serving as your foe on His behalf
Is the last thing that I wanted"
Yes! The emotions in this film are truly raw and utterly human. Not only that, but Ramses is human as well. He’s broken and beaten at the end of the movie, having lost everything. Nobody in this movie is two-dimensional, and that alone makes it unique and beautiful.
I love the parallels between the first scene when Moses leaves Egypt (where he says "goodbye brother" and Rameses is left screaming "Moses Moses" after him as he runs away) and the last time he leaves (when Rameses screams "Moses Moses" again and Moses is standing on the other side of the Red Sea and he softly says "goodbye brother" and turns away)
@Makula By that parallel moment, it's progressed beyond, "You haven't changed yet, but I hope you will in the future", to the realization and sad acceptance of, "You'll never change. Though I'll miss you terribly, it now needs to be goodbye forever." (12/10/2021)
Didn't catch that one.
Hurts me everytime. QAQ
My adult children still adore this movie.
My sons have the music sprinkled throughout their playlist. This movie is so so well done
This is more than faith, this is history. And this movie treats this with such respect
I am a descendant of the tribe of Manasseh, Joseph's first born. I am Hebrew, Egyptian, and Norwegian. This was a great review of relationship struggle and situations.
Blessed Resurrection Day ❣️
The Prince of Egypt is a great example of how simply retelling a biblical story in a nice cinematic way it is so much more powerful in its message, than when they try to force a literal come-to-Jesus-Moment down peoples throats.
ur right, just like with any kind of story. I will happily watch a movie inspired by something I might not agree with.
But when a movie tries to spread propaganda, people instantly recognize it. Many studios have a problem understanding that, not just religious groups.
I believe this movie turned out so good because it was a serious passion project, not something with an agenda.
I’ve seen this movie so many times, and I still cry like a baby every time Moses’ mother sings and puts him in the basket.
It is also amazing in how many languages she does that.
The singer Ofra Haza was one of the best singers ever and sadly died too early
@Rennzith OMG me too, every time!
Me too, I just can't handle it even after seeing it for the first time 22 years later. 😭
@@pumpkinspicesbs your among friends
Prince of Egypt is such an underrated movie. The animation is absolutely insane, and the story is amazing. So many people overlook this movie
22:45 I don't agree with it being Rameses fault. He was made to believe his entire life that this is how things should be. His talks with Moses can't just instantly change that. Moses changed over time by living with his people and was able to reavaluate his views.
It's 100% his fault, no matter how you're raised to be, enslaving your own kind is wrong. Israelites may not be his people but they have history with them and he can just learn it or choosing a neutral way to just banishing them out of Egypt and yet he choose to enslaving them as free workers because he think they are inferior compared to him and his kingdom despite being the same human species. God through Moses even literally ask for his permission and yet he refused so that's why He send him 10 plagues. If he just stop at first few plagues, he won't lose his firstborn son and his army. His arrogance and greed led him to his own demise.
I absolutely love the bit on how hate always comes from a place of love. It's so, so true and it's something that I have believed for a long while. You hate because you either loved them first, they're threatening someone you love, or someone you love taught you to hate them. Hate isn't the opposite of love, apathy is. Hate is inextricably tied to love, because passion is passion.
Really like that lesson as well. Love is a powerful weapon
I run it's why so many terrorist groups use religious ideology to draw in recruits and martyrs/suicide bombers - you can use a person's love and/or faith, and twist it into a seriously dangerous weapon.
@@helenl3193 there is no feeling or passion there. Only ressources to manipulate pawns.
@@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035 no, sorry, I meant that they (extremists, cults, etc) manipulate the love/faith of the people they recruit, using that to convince them that God/Allah/Tr*mp/Qanon, etc want them to do this. It is because they have passion (love for/fear of losing) about their lives/country/family that they're willing to fight/die for it. Same about troops in wars; they are going to do what they have to because they believe it will protect who they love.
The problem is that this wonderful passion can be misused and misdirected by certain types of people, or even sometimes by ourselves...
In the movie, Ramses (sp?) is so scared of disappointing his father and the family legacy that he can't think objectively when anyone, even someone he loves as much as Moses, challenges what he's been taught is the way to be/do things. Ironically, in fighting so hard to not be the 'weak link' in the family chain he becomes rigidly entrenched in the past, following his father's plans/processes, and not able to assess anything that might need a different approach.
We all need to be able to live in the present, see what is real and try to adapt as best as we can to always be the best version of ourselves. It's kinda like the Lannisters in GoT, the Dad is so obsessed with the family's legacy that he neglects his children and/or views them as tools in his quest, rather than actual people, and ultimately that is one of the biggest flaws/weaknesses within the family, and threatens not only the legacy but everyone's lives too.
Maybe if Moses had been found before Ramses was born, and so had more of the expectations of leadership/family responsibility and legacy, he might have struggled more with the revelation of his true heritage... I think it's an interesting idea to play with, and a helpful exercise for trying to be empathetic to others - while still holding them accountable, but being more able to understand how/why they got to their position and maybe how we could work to bride the gap.
I hope that makes sense! 😳
Sorry for going on so much, this one really got to me! 😳😇
Are we not going to talk about how the scene where Rameses is calling out to Moses after the Red Sea parting parallels the scene in the beginning of the movie where Rameses calls out to Moses who is leaving Egypt after finding out he was a Hebrew. The difference is the first time Rameses called out to Moses, he loved him but by the end when he called out to him, he hated him.
This!!!
I thought they were the same. Both were from a place of blinding sadness, frustration, bewilderment. I don't know that this version of Ramses would have killed Moses if he'd caught up to the Hebrews on the other side of the sea. He's still stuck in that "Why couldn't it be like it was before?!?" state. He's angry with everyone -- Moses, his father, the Hebrew God, that heavy-handed slaver -- everyone except himself. His cry is the same as it was when his only friend in the world first abandoned him: Don't go! Come back! Make it make sense! Why?!?
Also at the end he sounds like he's in agony. He's lost everything and it's so chilling and sad to hear his cries
I’m sorry but your pfp gave me a fight or flight response.
No matter where I go I can never escape Hetalia!
@@leviathanmg So you wouldn't hate someone who murdered your kid? There is also frustration that he let down the entire nation by not showing humanity and letting go of his slaves and well as a leader failing to execute revenge for his son and for the kids of his people even having an army against non-armed civilians.
He witnessed genocide and now he saw that the one who brought it has the favor of gods. That's the worst scenario for a leader of a nation that perceived as a god.
My relationship with my sister has been extremely strained for a very long time, and I just recently had to finally cut her out of my life, and what Jono said when speaking about loving someone but not needing them in your life really hit home with me. I love her, and I always will, but the issues we cannot see eye to eye on are so fundamental and hard hitting that I cannot have her around anymore, but I have a better feeling about it because of this video
Jonathan and Alan both are truly awesome guys. I can just about see how golden their hearts really are. So I am glad to hear that what these guys have said made you feel a bit better about your decision. I can understand in my own way how hard it might have been to make that choice. You have to do what is emotionally and spiritually healthy for you. 🤗🤗
21:46 I've always heard that the true opposite of love is not hate but indifference if you love or hate someone I have to care deeply about it
One part of the movie that really touches me is the sequence where Moses is made a part of Jethro's family. The utter love and acceptance, seeing in him a goodness that he did not see in himself, just breaks me.
my favorite part was when Moses slaughtered the nearby kingdoms and sparred only the virgin girls. oh sorry wrong story
@@mattattack75 wait, what story is that, my interest is piqued.
@@subarunatsuki1729 numbers 31:17
@@mattattack75 Woah, what? I gotta read my Bible more. You just blew my mind 🤯
@@simmonedavis97 Yea there is a lot of fucked up shit in the old testament specifically, people tend to gloss over. like people will say that abortion is a sin but even in this movie god indescriminately murders all none jewish male first borns
I'm a pagan & I love this movie. The animation alone is gorgeous
Same on both accounts. Honestly I feel like most people who have seen th8s movie love it regardless of their personal beliefs
Agreed! I’m not religious and this movie is still amazing to me. Anyone can appreciate when a story is told well 🔥
Same!
Same!
It's _stupid_ good.
this single shot of "deliver us" at 2:14 made me cry. I am a pagan witch but this is my favourite animated movie since I am 9 years old because of the pure beauty and humanity that makes the story. All is perfect, the songs makes me cry, Moses and Ramses relationship is gut-wrenching, the animation is beautiful and carries the story and emotions perfectly. this might be my favourite Cinema Therapy episode as well, because of the way you analize the relationship.
Wow idk that witch is still exist nowadays. Do you have grimoire or something then?
@@yunfeikwon There are a lots of ways to be a witch, you can easily look up on internet for blogs and stuff. But it's mostly, like, a personal spirituality and practice. So some have a grimoire and some not. I can't speak for any other witch than me since there are so many currents and practices.
yeah, that is the whole message of the tale as well. its one of the very few biblical movies that is actually good to watch and actually gets the message right.
I am one of the "not Christian but this is a really good movie" people.
Honestly don't get why ppl have to state their religion or lack thereof before saying they like a Biblical epic. Like it doesn't matter what religion you are or aren't, it's a film?? I guess it's like white person saying oh I'm white but I love Bollywood? Idk still really doesn't matter to me though lol sorry for this random spiel of words
In this case, I think it is because most Christian films kind of suck from a filmmaking point of view so most of them are only enjoyed by the self righteous finger wagging types.
@@slashandbones13 I see ur point thanks!
@@slashandbones13 idk wouldn't "Christian films are shit but I like this one" be more apt? I know I'm nit picking but still feel like it's pointless to state your religion/non religion before stating you like a film.
@@jovitabhengra It's apt in these cases because a decent chunk of Christian films get very preachy. They attempt to almost guilt trip the audience into converting or seeing things from the writer's very specific point of view, or are reaffirming some, often very conservative, religious beliefs. It's not true in all cases, but it's a large enough majority that yes, we all feel compelled to state we love this movie despite our religious beliefs because The Prince of Egypt doesn't have that same preachiness to it. And as someone born in '92, I grew up on this movie, adored it immensely then, still adore it to this day, and I still became a Lokean.
I love the angel during Passover. It fits the truly incomprehensible nature of angels. There's a reason that angels usually say "be not afraid" when they appear to people in the Bible.
“Be not afraid” is the modern day equivalent of “chill its cool”
What the angel's say:
*"Be not afraid!"*
What the angel's really mean:
*"Wassup, can a Loc come up in yo crib?"*
A grotesque visage of wheels within wheels covered in eyeballs and on fire comes to you and simply says. “Do not be afraid.”
What the hell do you mean do not be afraid this is the most terrifying thing I could ever see that not even my nightmares could conjure up.
@@Wot50202 To be fair, I'm pretty sure it's only specific angels that appear eldritch. Angels are very often described as human in appearance. Beautiful and androgynous male humans with like one female exception, but human.
@@Wot50202 there's also many different kind of angels that are described being very terrifying in appearance. Seraphim have three pairs of wings with two covering their feet and two covering their body and the third raised (this can vary based on depiction). Cherubim have 4 faces being that of a lion, ox, eagle, and man. The idea of an angel being a winged humanoid depends on your original source be it the Bible (writer varies), Torah, or Quran.
24:49 can you imagine losing your brother and nephew and this lady starts singing about it
Well she trying her best to console him, and this won't happen if his brother just listen to Moses and let them free before the final plague started kicking in.