Psychology of a Hero: JACK FROST in Rise of the Guardians
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What is your center and how do you find it? How do you go from isolation to belonging?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright are talking about finding your center (purpose) by following Jack Frost’s hero journey in Rise of the Guardians. They discuss Jack’s transition from isolation to becoming a Guardian. Alan complains about Jack’s magic frost powers and memory loss not making sense and why Chris Pine was miscast, while Jono tries to ship Elsa and Jack Frost… Alan doesn’t like that either. But he does love Alec Baldwin's Russian Santa!
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker, and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright, Alan Seawright, and Corinne Demyanovich
Edited by: Emily Colton
Director of Photography: Bradley Olsen
English Transcription by: Anna Preis
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The fact that they addressed the JackxElsa shippers might be one of my favorite moments on the internet
Yeah, we're pretty late to the conversation.
@@CinemaTherapyShow For middle aged men I think u guys can be given a little credit 🤣
Hear hear 🤣 my 14 year old self is quaking at being called out but the joy i felt when they addressed Jelsa was immense😭
Man I was definitely part of the fandom for this
At first I had the same reaction as them: It wouldn't work, this is dumb
But then... I thought about it, and down the rabbithole I went
@@Ditto.007 you make them sound like they're from medieval times 🤣
I think that Pitch Black is underrated in this movie. He could have Halloween. After all, through the fear and darkness he teaches children to be brave and strong. He offers them one of the best gifts a child can get: courage. You won't get it through constant pampering, no amount of money (from Tooth Fairy), fun activities (searching eggs with Easter Bunny), gifts from Santa and dream world from Sandy Man can ever prepare child for harsh reality. Without him the existence of other character is pointless.
That would make a cool sequel
i could see that as a redemption arc in a sequel like the person above me said, yeah
Yeah, I think it's because he got too focused on the fear part that he never really considers that it could be used for good too.
That's a really good point of view
@@crimsoneclipse0618 I had this conversation with my nephews when this movie came out. They were upset because they didn't think what Pitch wanted made him the bad guy. They said "What's wrong with him wanting to be seen?!" And I told them "There is nothing wrong with fear. It's a necessary part of life, an instinct that teaches us how to be safe and how far we can push ourselves. But Pitch is the villain because he doesn't want people to overcome their fears, or learn from them. He just wants to keep them afraid forever."
I adore the Santa in this movie about how he's this massive, Russian, tatted up man who just loves magic and toys and making kids happy. It's really sweet.
Also dual-wields scimitars, because why tf not?
When I first saw this, Santa reminded me of that one big trucker that was told by his 9 year old to take her doll with him on his trips so he put it in the cart and sent her pictures all the time shopping and driving
Chris Pine is perfect for Jack Frost in my opinion. He's got that big brother feel in his voice
Yeah, just a warm protective vibe that still has levity. And teenage guys often have pretty deep voices. Maybe with some cracks and stuff towards the beginning, but still.
He really does
@@anneblackwood9013also he is supposed to be 117, became jack when he was 17 supposingly. I think the voice fits
I know, I can hear it too.
Here's a FUNFACT: Elijah Wood actually plays Frodo Baggins in Lord of the Rings and I actually loved how it displayed his child-like innocence and sweetness.
In terms of character personality, Chris Pine honestly suits Jack Frost because he really is, at his core, a playful kind and warmhearted young man and he doesn't really have the childlike sweetness and innocence that Frodo or Elijah Wood does.
CHRIS PINE Perfect casting
If not Chris Pine, then my second choice would be Tom Holland for Jack Frost.
It's funny that you addressed the fan ships of Elsa x Jack, but there are other fan theories of Jack Frost which are super heartwarming. There's a theory that Jaime is the descendant of Jack Frost's sister, based on the character's physical similarities being passed down. So the idea of his sister's relatives helping Jack to find his center is super awesome to me
My heart literally melted when I read this 🥰
I've never heard of that theory before, but I love that!
The movie is actually based on a book series, and it explains a lot about Jack where he came from and the fact that the memory of his sister that he has, that's not his real sister. It's really interesting and pretty cool if I say so myself.
Definitely worth a read!
@@reilinn3720 Bruhh if she's not his real sister who is she?
Yes, I've heard of that theory since way back. I think it might be true!
"He sees me! HE SEES ME!!" makes me cry EVERY. TIME. Even just watching this clip in your review.
Same. It makes my chest tight too. I can feel his awe and his desperation for it not to be in his head. Such a beautifully crafted scene!!
That’s easily one of my favourite scenes, just seeing the clip makes me want to watch the movie again, but they took it off of Netflix :[
jesus christ i was watching this nonchalant and seconds later tears streaming down my face, haven't cried this easily in a while
Me too! I sob everytime I see or even just hear it 😭💜
Same. Idk how to explain why tho-
I thought Chris Pines voice suited Jack really well. It brings out his confidence and makes him seem more extroverted, and I don’t think I could picture him with a different voice. He’s also technically a late teenager, not a 12 year old so it makes sense. Great video though!
I agree. I do think it sounds older than he is, but I think it makes the character seem more mature/wise. He is a teenager technically, but he has been around for 100's of years and a childish voice would discredit that experience and his ability to be a guardian.
I always thought that that rasp in his voice suits him because he died in a freezing water.
Hes twelve since he died at the age well 14 act
yeah I thought he was 18-19 or a young adult
@@TheLexamix he died as a 14 year old it even said it in the movie
Pitch was originally (basically) a space general that guarded the door to nightmares. He caved to the voices because they convinced him his daughter was gone (she didn’t go away forever, just like other guardians she became someone else) and became Pitch Black. For him his center was his love for his daughter but its hard to find that again when you think its gone for good.
The lore of those damn books man....
That's so cool! I wish there was a deeper depth of Pitch Black like this in the film.
That’s interesting, but I believe Book Pitch and Movie Pitch are two separate beings. William Joyce said that the movie is an AU
the books are kind of convoluted and almost nothing like the movie (Jack Frost doesn’t even exist in the books, he was actually based off a boy named Nightlight) but the backstory of Pitch was amazing, like why that didnt make in the movie i have no idea
@@Nopeasaurus fun fact, he does exist now. In the last book! It’s like Nightlight reincarnated and then Jack goes off to live with wolves and then dates historical figures. It’s a mess
"That's not it, you dummies"
"Please don't insult our audience"
"That's not it, you wonderful people"
I love these two.
Yes~
SAME!!
Hahahaha yeeeaaaahhhh
I loved that moment 🤣😍
Who couldn't?
When Jack blew on the snowball at the beginning, I didn't take that as him turning it into ice, but rather enchanting it with magic, which is why the kid gets those sparkles in his eyes and wants to start a snowball fight afterwards. Same with the sparkle on Cupcake when Jack throws one at her.
I think my center is love. I just want everyone to be kind to each other. Be at peace. Be generous. Take care of each other.
Samesies!!! Snuggles to a fellow compassion centre xxx
I always saw it as him enchanting the snowballs/flakes too! And at the very end of the movie, Jack blows a snowflake directly into the camera - to make the audience see the fun and wonder too. ❄️
This... I was looking for this comment. I also saw it as him infusing the snowball and even (spoiler alert) the snowflake he uses on Bunny later in the movie. He was imparting some of his "mischief" into the snow.
As for my center... I have no clue. Guess Im a little like Jack in that regard...
That is very sweet! Thanks for sharing 🤗
That's what I always thought! His breath had the same sparkle things that go into kids' eyes when touched by his magic, he unknowingly is opening their eyes to fun and using his center without even knowing what it is yet
Also their willingness to protect their sisters is something they have in common. Jack didn't even think about the fact that he's technically dead he was just excited about remembering his sister and the fact that he saved her.
hes such an old and pure soul.
honestly, i look up to this guy even as an adult. There are so many qualities of his I wish I had. Selfless, brave, kind, loving, outgoing, thoughtful, free.
While I do agree that Chris Pine sounds older than Jack Frost looks... the scene where he's finally seen for the first time is so brilliant and I don't think a younger actor could pull off that heartwrenching emotion. There are times when it's noticeable that he's much older than Jack, but he also has a lot of moments where he lighten and softens his voice as well.
He has that "big brother" voice, I know plenty of kids around his age with deep voices. I disagree with Alan completely 😅
I come back to this video from time to time as looking for my "center" has helped me greatly to overcome some hardships and even when not watching the movie I cry at the damn "he sees me" moment.
Feel like they could've focused a tiny bit more on the impact of not feeling seen for centuries and then much like Jack seeing himself for the first time so are others starting to see him and value him. Great stuff
I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING AT THE "I did nothing... I could be replaced with a syringe" the joke was funny enough on its own but holy shit is jonathan's laugh contagious
Me too that was too funny 😂😂
He covered the truth in a joke xD
i vomited a little from laughter
i laughed so hard my husband wondered what i was laughing at and i got to replay it, even he did a big chuckle. XD Alan's face as well when he says it! XD
Me too
I'm kind of surprised Alan didn't make any comment about the textures in this movie, because there is so much detail. The feathers on the tooth fairy, the character's individual iris patterns, even the difference in their fingernails. It's a bit crazy.
Yeah and the fact that they developed new technology for the sandgrains that the Sandman makes!
the frost textures alone not just in Jack's hoodie but how his powers work are sooooooooooo PRETTY
I like all the texture except the eyes. To be honest I think the eyelashes are a bit overdone and don’t quite fit with the simpler face animation.
@@murrenkelly3866 I think it works for Jack. I also like his snowflake irises
@@murrenkelly3866 Really? I loved the eyes. I loved the fact that they looked a little more detailed.
I never thought that Chris Pine was miscast; he played it completely straight and it adds a lot of authenticity and sincerity. I'm not sure it would've worked if he hadn't.
At the very beginning of Frozen, Elsa has the same playful nature as Jack, and expresses it through her talent of creating snow. She suppresses her ability after the adults in her life tell her it's dangerous, which in turn suppresses her sense of fun, and it only gets buried further underneath the burdens of grief and responsibility. She begins to rediscover it when she realizes that the people of Arendelle accept her for the way she is, and fully reconnects with it once she is in the Enchanted Forest where she truly belongs.
I think the fun and playfulness is what fans pick up on. IF Elsa and Jack were an item, that would be their thing in common.
i can see that, though I think what is more likely to produce a pairing like that would be Jack Frost teaching Else to embrace that fun loving side of things.
I agree.
Nightlight's character is unfortunately alot deeper than that.
Girl.... thank you so much for this..... i couldn't tell you jack lol about why elsa and jack should be together other than their powers lol!!!!!!! I couldn't have said it better myself great job!!
Jack really suffers when you think about it. 300 years of isolation? That can do a number on anyone's psyche. He had every right to turn on the Guardians, to not offer his help. And hell, they BLACKMAIL HIM INTO HELPING IN THE BEGINNING. But the fact that he's the one who restores Jamie's faith in them, shows how much stronger he is than people gave him credit for. The guardians are supposed to look after children. But they failed in looking after Jack, who is a forever child, being I believe 17 ish. So, he does count as not being an adult.
He was always my favorite character because I loved that even though he was all about having fun, when it comes to it, he focuses up and takes on the challenge and gets serious. He honestly kinda reminds me of me. Also my center is support. I always wondered why I was drawn to the administrative assistant role, despite being very shy, and it's a very personable role. And I like how you describe why you're a therapist. "Because I'd be terrible at anything else" I just like helping people. My entire career is customer service base. I've never had a bad experience, because of my disposition.
Also also I'm gonna make a final edit I LOVE JACK'S DESIGN. God just everything about it. "Jack looks like he's frozen." nailed it. That's absolutely the look they're going for with him considering he drowns then becomes the spirit of winter. I love his fluffy white hair, I love how PALE his skin looks, almost death like which makes sense given he drowned. THE FROST TEXTURE ON HIS HOODIE ARE YOU KIDDING?! And Jack's personality is just awesome. I love at the end how protective he is of Jamie. Those big brother instincts coming into play.
Those are some very good points. I really like your comment!
I think I read on this movie's IMDB page that he is 18 in the movie
@@emilynam6084 Huh, fair. He mostly comes off like a teen and also never ages, so that’s kind of how I view him.
@@emilynam6084 Mentally, he's 300 years old. Physically, he has the body of a 17-18 year old.
@@Rolling_Girl_falling_forever I think it might actually be physical and mental because Jack still acts like a lot of 18 year olds for his real age
I feel like such an important part of this story and conversation is realizing the inner turmoil that comes with someone bad/harmful admiring and relating to you. Because Jack is a fundamentally good person, but his experience is so similar to Pitch that they share common ground. And that is INTENSELY uncomfortable. And it might make you re-evaluate yourself. I believe that this film portrays that really well, because we see it get to Jack for a minute, and then he makes a new choice.
I really loved the duality of the two characters when I first watched this movie. You really captured it; Jack was deeply disturbed by their shared experiences. Pitch is one of the few people who really understood Jack's experience, yet is clearly a villain. It's so important to remember, however, that it isn't Pitch's experiences that make him a bad/harmful person, anymore than they make Jack a good/benevolent one. Having bad things happen to us is not what defines us. It's the choices we make in the context of those experiences that defines who we are. Pitch is not a villain because he was isolated; he is a villain because he chose to hurt people. Jack instead chose to help others, even though he receives no thanks for his kindness. This is what makes him a hero, and they did a great job of showing us this in the movie.
@@kipandren Absolutely!!!! Thanks for adding that nuance!!
@@kipandren So, Pitch was possessed by the forces of evil who used his love for his daughter to drive him mad. He needs exorcism and therapy.
That's a good point- it's happened to me multiple times that I've seen similar traits to mine in people I wanted no association with whatsoever, and it can be tough depending on how terrible the person is, but dealing with similarities between you and people you view as bad is nessecary to move on and grow up.
I'm not getting enough of the absolute COMEDY GOLD in this episode. The center exchanges between Alan and Jono made me physically burst out of laughter, which rarely happens. Thank you so much, both of you, for bringing your own you-ness into this - I didn't have a slightest idea how much I needed this.
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
I'm always screen recording snippets and sending them to my brother to laugh at XD
I love that all the mischief jack got into didn’t get him the recognition he wanted, but the selfless act of helping bunny did. Like a reward.
Alan going from "amateur filmmaker" to "professional filmmaker" to "almost ready to believe his work is wonderful on its own because his unique voice is what entertains and brings joy to people" is my favorite youtuber character arc
And he might go from needs therapy to therapy healed me ....
YES 1000%
I always thought that Jack and Elsa worked well together not because of their ability to create snow, but because of their 'Center'. Yes, Elsa likes to be in a small group, but she also enjoys fun and is gentle and loving, she also wants to fundamentally protect everyone, similar to Jack. Jack was invisible, but he could still interact with people through his abilities as Jack Frost, but Elsa was extremely isolated in a way that Jack wasn't, since she was afraid of herself. If Jack had saved Elsa as a child from her fear of her abilities, she could have been very close to Jack.
3:23 At first, i thought he was throwing an ice ball too but then I was like "naw, jack wouldn't do that and it broke apart" and I realized he coated that snowball with his magic. He put a little fun into that snowball.
Santa’s center resonated with me on such a deep level it’s ridiculous. I adore being marveled by the most normal, everyday things. But whenever I told people “Isn’t it amazing how plants grow? Isn’t it just so magical how the weather changes? Have you ever REALLY looked at your hands??”they just think it’s weird, but I am truly intrigued and amazed by this! Santa in this film made me feel like I’m not the only one. I hope to the bottom of my heart to never stop being amazed by the world around me because there is truly magic everywhere!
A scientist in his laboratory is not a mere technician: he is also a child confronting natural phenomena that impress him as though they were fairy tales. Marie Curie
I'm that way, but with Jack. Him being the Guardian of Fun just hit hard for me. I'm always told I'm "young at heart" and seeing Jack always be this epicenter of fun despite being so isolated just....damn. Hit different.
So true though! But the science behind everything is miraculous!
Honestly, if I had to boil myself down to my center, I guess it would be "curiosity". I just love reading and learning in general. I love taking things apart and seeing how they work. No matter how old you are, there's always something new to learn.
You are a magical individual and I am so happy to find someone who sees the world how I do! That’s so cool >w
It's really comforting to me that it took Jack 300 years to find his center because I'm 31 and I have no fragglin idea what mine is.
Also thanks for making me laugh, I needed it so badly, my mental health is crying in the corner today.
I understand, I'm nearly 25 but I still don't know who I am or what I'm should do with my life :(
Welp I won't say its nice to hear others are struggling with this concept too, but I guess in a sort of melancholic way I'm glad I'm not alone... I'm 23 and my parents still shame me constantly for not knowing who I am.. Here's hoping we figure it out sometime
@@kittencadaver2744 - I see how dark your user name is. Is that now you really feel? Please don't worry. You will may not have a straight road ahead, but a road that curves and winds in interesting ways. If your parents don't support you, they are the ones with twisted centers. Get yourself some space from them (even if it's time apart and not geographical distance) and always allow yourself to do something you love.
I don't clearly know either and I'm turning 35, but I feel like I'm getting there.
The things Santa said to Jack about your personal center can be true for us as well, and we can look at our own layers and name them and work our way to our personal core.
Maybe you can ask yourself this as well:
What is your outer layer? (How people see you) and what lies beneith that layer? And underneath THAT? And so on and so on, until you reach your center. 💜
31 here too, mom of a toddler, but suffered the same problem.
I am always being told that my purpose is my boy, but thats my job and role, not my identity, beyond that. Just know what I like, don't and thats it.
Did anyone else have a major crush on Jack Frost as a kid, cus I sure did. Chris Pines performance gives off cool suave vibes, his body language is playful & laid back, he’s witty, adorable & and has blue eyes.
What’s not to love 😍😍😍
Elsa and Jack both have this "older sibling" vibe. They might sometimes seem to only care about themselves because they mostly focus on themselves, but when push comes to shove, they will do everything for those they care about. Also they do balance each other out in their attitude to each others (Elsa is very quiet, Jack is very extrovert) and these types of opposites, attract a lot.
And that's why so many people ship them
I saw this movie when I was like 14, and I think his voice really helps bring out the loneliness that Jack feels. I think the biggest reason that the voice sounds out of place for him, Is that he knows who's voice it is. I never look up who's voicing a animated character until after I watched the film. That way it doesn't break the illusion.
You're right, I did think of that! Like he's an old soul, and tho his attitude is very bubbly, his voice betrays how tired and close to giving up he actually is (probably why Pitch was able to get to him)
I don't actually know who this guy is and I still agree that his voice doesn't sound right in that body. I have always felt odd about it. But I guess it does capture the loneliness pretty well, I haven't thought of that before
I watched this movie when I was in my mid to late teens, and I think Jack's voice is perfect. I've never looked into how old Jack is or who his voice actor was. I just assumed that Jack was 17 or so years old (without the added immortal years). I've also heard plenty of late teens with low and gravelly voices so it never felt out of place. I think it's all up to your own perspective. Or perhaps I just like his voice so I don't mind it.
I knew it was Chris Pine immediately, because I love Chris Pine. I always loved his voice in this movie because it's playful but also sad at the same time. Kinda like the voice version of Matt Smith's Doctor in Doctor Who. But also, maybe it's because I know people who sound older than they were in high school and just out of high school that it never seemed out of place for me, I guess.
honestly if you think about it it kind of brings out the pain too , but I still think Elijah Wood would definitely rock it too
I actually really loved Pitch in this movie. it is also 100% possible to believe that Pitch was a hero at one point. Fear of the dark is not necessarily a bad thing, more accurately, fear of what is in the dark. Before Humanity really mastered fire, there was a LOT of dangerous things in the dark.
Fun fact, in the series the movie is based on, Pitch had actually been a hero! If i remember correctly, he had helped win a war against some evil shadows and was pretty well liked, but then he visited the prison of the surviving ones. The shadows imitated the voice of his daughter, saying she was trapped in there with them, so he opened the door to try and save her, but it was a trick and all the shadows possessed him and made him evil.
@@olympiareid1494 He needs an exorcism and a lifetime of therapy and community service.
@@olympiareid1494 That is really cool. I had not read the series it was based on.
Love this idea and maybe he just became evil and bitter and couldn't move on from it
Fear saves us from more than just the dark, plus, there's also fun in fear like watching a scary movie or going throb a haunted house. It's fun scary. He totally could have a redemption arc
“Can you see me?
He sees me!
He sees me!”
The voice acting and animation and therapy part of it made me feel like that is what I want to feel, and what so many of us want to feel.
We are being told all the time what to do and who to be by radically different sources.
We want to have our own identity and purpose, but we need people who reflect who we are back at us so we can see ourselves.
I want so badly to learn to communicate with people in a way that helps them see who they are and what strengths they have, without putting my own assumptions and my own strong opinions upon them.
I want people around me to be able to learn and grow at their speed, on their terms. I want to help them succeed by giving them what they need.
And for me…what I need…I need a mirror so I can see if what I’m doing is really what I want to be doing. Am I presenting myself genuinely and focusing on what’s around me, or am I stuck in my own head and not seeing things as they are?
You sound like a wonderful person to me, even for just trying 💛
This is one of my favourite movies, it's so underrated. I'm still disappointed they've never made a sequel.
I feel like the Boogeyman and his horses are very symbolic for anxiety, depression or any kind of disorder that sucks your energy, like your fears chasing you anywhere, so when there is someone comforting to you like Jack is to other children, you have the courage to fight your fears and overcome your anxiety. However when you are alone without those "guardians" you are more likely to not be able to deal with your problems. I really love the concept of fun, it's also like, when you're brave enough and positive enough to turn your fears into fun, or cover them with healing feelings, then you will be able to overcome them
Pitch is like belos from the owl house because despite kinda having a tragic backstory he is still an evil villain.
@@nataliapanfichi9933LMAO belos tragic? No every bad thing that happened was caused by him and and that started when he literally stabbed and murdered his older brother.
Also, his dark horses are night mares.
Nightmares.
"Slow clap"
@@quest_1018 I mean he probably wasn't born evil because he looks like a normal kid when he was younger and probably has some childhood trauma because he and his brother grew up as orphans, I mean he must have cared about Caleb before the "betrayal".
I think it's a stretch to make this about anxiety. Anxiety is something much more specific and a term I think we collectively have grown too used to relying on to describe how we feel.
The Boogeyman could still represent that, obviously, and I think he does, but in a much more general concept, that being fear.
Okay, as an ace woman, hearing that you also headcanon Elsa as ace feels remarkably validating.
Yess
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Absolutely same~
Wasn't that confirmed or am I misremembering? I know One Piece's Luffy is ace according to the creator, so maybe I'm confusing the two...some how.
Similar here too.
This movie truly had the effect of burrowing its way into my soul. I think of that line "What is your center?" more often than I realized until I watched this video, or at least the general concept. I think it is highly underrated as a holiday movie as well. It spoke to me. I struggle with clinical major depression, anxiety, a multitude of issues. Over the course of the last 8 years my family has struggled with a multitude of levels of tragedy and loss, and for the last 5 years I have been a caregiver for my grandmother. In many ways my life stopped when I was 21 and became taking care of her. My one thing for myself through it all has been that I am lucky enough to work in the field that I love: I help manage an independent bookstore. I want to be a part of the generation that keeps bookstores alive. This is my passion. And yet, I know that even my passion is not quote my center. It IS caring. I care for my grandmother, my father, but even through my chosen medium of selling books it is still my way of caring by making sure the right books get into the hands that need them most. Words have the power to change a life, and feed the soul, and if that's how I can help care for a stranger as much as I care for my grandmother then I am content.
I absolutely love Chris Pine as Jack Frost, I couldn’t see Jack any other way. He’s perfectly casted.
Elsa and Jack share common ground in that they both understand all too well what it means to deal with feelings of alienation. They also both have strong protective instincts toward their younger sisters.
Yooo, I can picture Jack trying to help Elsa reconnect with Anna because she'll never know how much time they have left :')
@@iPancake3 That would make them friends, not lovers. Jack is either 17 or 317, depending on how you count it, while Elsa is, what, 24? 25? It's just a little weird.
@@DarcOne13 Yes. Them being able to bond over shared experiences of isolation and alienation wouldn't be enough. However, thing is Jack also embodies the same characteristics that Elsa's sister has. Tireless optimism and devotion to others. The ability to see the good in others, even those that at first may seem antagonistic... the same reasons she loves her sister, are reasons she'd love Jack. They actually make a LOT of sense together beyond the superficial. Although the superficial does matter. Fact is they are both cute, and both into ice and snow. People have gotten together for less.
Lmao who cares if he is 317 if she's an adult at 24+? There's nothing wrong with them deciding they're compatible if she's old enough to make her own decisions and find an immortal attractive.
You... don't realize that 17 is legal for a 25 year old? Oh you poor, sweet summer child.
... Oh, perhaps you think even if it's legal it's still weird/creepy? Oml. Then just give them a couple years for hell's sake. He'll be 20 and she'll be 28 tops. If you still think that's too wide of a gap I think you need to reassess some values given how many happily married couples have even wider age gaps than that.
@@richardashendale922 Yeah, my bro just married a girl with a bigger age gap and idc. It's not the gap itself; it's that combined with where they are on the scale in the first place. Saying she's 70% older is a lot freakier than "she's seven years older." My brother's wife is only, I think, 34% older than him, so it bugs me less.
But my main issue with the ship is that Elsa is aro-ace coded. Can we please leave her that way? We already lost Jughead. Don't take Elsa, too!
@@DarcOne13 It's more important to think of the mental state and motivations of the romantic partners involved than any arbitrary scale of age difference.
No. I don't think identity representation based on sexual preference is important enough to be focused on or worried about in the way you seem to want, and the people attracted to Elsa don't deserve to feel like Elsa is untouchable just because some people who are aro and ase want to feel represented. And more importantly... love must conquer self-validation.
This movie did NOT get enough credit! It had such a great meaning, beautiful art and a good story
For real, it is such a shame it did not become a commercial success because it really did have a lot of potential and was actually a good story
Plus Jack Frost is fiiiiiiiine (and I'm a teenager so I get to say that :D)
Did you see the new dreamworks logo too? No Jack at all. Pretty disappointing
Sadly, some of Dreamworks’ best movies did not get the recognition they deserved. Some did (HTTYD), but Megamind and Rise of the Guardians? Nope.
@@emilyhamberger2131 oh, definitely.
12:05 the moment he talked ""I could be replaced with a syringe""
My mind just awoke a absurd level of fight or flight response
LOL!
ok but the side bit with Alan being a 'child-creator' and getting a five-minute therapy pitstop in the middle of the show had me in stitches, you guys' friendship is one of the purest things on earth lmao
i just finished this segment and it is an absolute joy ride. these two are hilarious and lovely
I completely agree!
So the snowball I don't think turned to ice, he infused it with the blue glow that shined in their eyes. The spirit of fun, which is I think why Cupcake smiled and had fun rather than kept being angry, it was one of his magic snowballs!
I also liked Chris Pine for casting, but specifically to remind us that while he's a teen in a sense he's also been alive hundreds of years, which I thought was very good.
Love that you picked this film!
I agree. I don’t know where Allan took the Jack looks 13 years old from, Jamie looks 13. Jack looks around 17 to 18. (Or the same age as my older brother when I watched the movie, since I see a lot of my brother in Jack)
Did you notice every time he infused blue fun stuff into the ice, or when he gets Jamie to believe in him, or otherwise does awesome stuff from his centre and not stuff that just comes with having ice powers, it always comes from him not his staff, e.g. he picks up and blows on the blue snowball, the single snowflake he sends to the easter bunny in his warren, he physically touches the windowpane in jamie's room (and the staff isn't even present in that scene at all), regaining his memories, all done without the staff. I think his staff represents who he is externally, i.e. "magic ice power guy", and it was only created from who he is inside to be a tool.
@@takealilpill347 exactly! It's part of his centre, the ability to make fun where there isn't any... like when he saves his sister
@@takealilpill347 wow i never really thought of it like that. As a kid when i watched this movie a couple of times, i was always very confused on how the magic dust he puts on the snowball worked. Especially when he puts it on bunny. I always asked myself, does it change their whole personality? Is it all just fake? If that makes any sense? Lol but now it makes total sense the way u described it.
The part that always makes me cry is when the kid finally sees Jack. The feeling of being seen by people around you is very meaningful. And Jack's excitement felt so genuine.
There was a period where Elsa was in a state of depression, isolation, and feeling not understood (similar to jack).
Jack and Elsa could certainly talk about that and help each other with that.
I agree. A kinship friendship is how I'd see it!
This movie made me love the concept of a moon spirit even more that I already had. Especially the first scene where Jack is talking about how he was scared until he saw the moon. Then, he wasn’t scared anymore. Anytime I see the moon, I think of that scene because the moon is just a hopeful light in the darkness.
Also, casting Hugh Jackman as the Easter bunny was *chefs kiss* perfection.
The movie definitely made the moon more of an ambiguous and mystical force. Probably because the book depiction was rather ridiculous, similar to what happened to the Easter Bunny but I guess they couldn't quite go the same route with the man in the moon.
I can't look at the moon in the movie and not giggle that what we're looking at is supposed to be a ship that exists in orbit to us because Pitch chased everyone and their child across the stars to this tiny insignificant blip in the cosmos before he got his butt kicked by the man in the moon's babysitter.
You know what's funny is I walk home from work at night, and I always feel better when the moon is out. I look up at it like a friend and feel less alone/scared, though the fact that I do that is unrelated to the movie..
I just love the moon
For those that don't know, these are based on books and in the books each guardian, including pitch, had a backstory. They changed things ofc for movie purposes of course. But that's why Santa is Russian.
Wow! I'mma have to check them out. thx
THANK YOU! When I was watching this movie I was so confused because this is not Jack's backstory but I still like the movie
They're weird, lowkey. I love them to death, but like...the space stuff is on another level, man.
@@DarthYodaJammin tell me more please?
@@joshred1571 In the books Pitch was a general (then named Kozmotis Pitchiner) who fought against the fearlings. When they were imprisoned he was charged with guarding them. They slowly drove him insane and in the end tricked him into opening their prison by convincing him his daughter was trapped inside. They possessed him and turned him into Pitch Black turning him against his allays and using him as a weapon. I don’t think it was explicitly stated but this ended in several genocides
Saying Elsa would hate Jack is like saying she'd hate Anna. Anna, like Jack, is outgoing and happy-go-lucky, and yet Elsa loves her sister. Anna helps Elsa grow, and Jack could do the same. That being said, I think they would make better friends than a couple.
As an asexual person who believes Elsa may likely also be ace…I agree lol :D
There is actually a great fanfiction that was written about how the two of them fit together. It's when Jack was still newer to being the Spirit of Winter and Elsa being in isolation and unknowing and scared of her powers. It's how because she had magic, she could see him without believing and the efforts she made to have people believe in him while he helped her become more outgoing and sure in herself and her powers (this was before any Frozen sequels). It is a wonderful story and makes the two of them connect over their shared abilities but also brings understanding and growth to the both of them. There is even talk of how Jack is eternally young as Elsa grows older (they get married and have children) and the problems and such that brings to their relationship later. It gives the best reason over why they work together, connecting initially over Elsa's fear of her abilities and that they force isolation, while instilling a purpose and responsibility in Jack that he hadn't had yet.
What’s it called?
At the center I think?
Sause🐱?
What's the fanfic called? :)
link please!
Whoever edited this episode really pulled all the comedic stops and I appreciate it so dang much 😂
Right? I just straight burst out laughing at 28:26 (much to the displeasure of the lady a table over from me - I’m in a library 😅).
I always thought of Pitch Black as someone who forgot his center, at that time kids needed someone to tell them that they should be afraid of the dark. All kinds of things with claws and pointed teeth back then.
Interesting theory, you might want to read the books though... there's a whole can of worms with Pitch that is opened there. Plus they're a fast read too. I loved them, if you loved this movie I think you might at least enjoy them too.
i think pitch is more of some sort of primordial concept. we fear the unknown, and therefore kids especially fear the dark. you can't see jack in there lol but with modern era there's less of telling children scary stories about unknown entities to keep them in check and more of practical teaching.i.e anything mildly scary is not child appropriate especially all those old fairy tales, so naturally someone like pitch just isn't believed in anymore
Right. Imagine being out there trying to help kids gain courage, but instead you watch them fear you more and more. It would be hard to hold onto your true self.
@@distrust_us well now I’m just thinking of the Primal Fears from Chainsaw Man
I'd like to say that Pitch didn't forget his centre, he abandoned it.
Pitch seems like a person who didn't care for his morals, he just kept them around for a self gain. When he makes kids scared, he isn't thinking about them growing or learning to be better, he's thinking that they'll always be scared and they'll never learn to have courage. He only had intention probably when he was alive and death caused him to be evil because he let go of any kindness or sympathy when he died cause he saw no purpose for thinking outside of himself anymore, letting go of his morals.
A better Pitch black would remind kids that they'll be scared but they have to grow, meaning that the better version wants kids to learn and evolve, something we don't see in our pitch black. We see him as someone who doesn't want evolution or people to learn, he just wants people to be scared forever which caused his villainy.
Someone like Jack Frost is a reminder that their is a difference between bad mischief that hurts people and having enjoyed mischief that's fun. Jack Frost has morals and cares about the kids, he remembers that people can unite and care so while he is mischievous, he tries his best to help people in his own way. That's what makes him a hero, trying to show that we need some mischief to make life interesting.
Watching this made me realise my centre. Im 17 and have watched this movie multiple times every year. And just now I found my centre. Im creative, that’s my centre. The way Russian Santa daddy describes his centre made me realise that mine is creative. To me everything is something else.
My center is empathy. It sounds weird since I’m autistic, but I have a boatload of empathy to the point where I actually feel someone’s emotional state, especially pain, when they walk into a room. It comes out in my storytelling mostly, but I regularly use empathy to work in customer service and I connect with animals better because of empathy. I have learned to balance my rational logic with my humongous amount of empathy, and this is where my problem solving skills come from as well as the advice I give. As a dark side, though, I can be extremely persuasive, almost manipulative if I’m not careful.
Its refreshing to see you mention the “dark side of empathy” that most people don’t ever acknowledge, even within themselves. Too many people talk about empathy like all it ever is a advantage to have, but at times it can be so crippling because perceiving people’s emotions all the time is just incredibly exhausting.
Sometimes I think the best way I can establish some self control over my heightened empathy is to control the other person’s emotions, make them feel the way I want them to feel. And I find myself studying them, taking in to every emotion, what I should say, what I shouldn’t. So, in short manipulation.
Be aware of the empaths!
21:25 What I like about this moment is that Jaimie started to believe in Jack without help. When the snowflake fell on his head, he remembered what his mom told him earlier and put two and two together. He didn't need to be told about Jack, he just figured it out on his own. I thought that was pretty clever.
I always characterized Jack's center as "Abandon". Joyful abandon, or perhaps just "Joy". Jack brings snowdays to free children from school to just go outside and have fun. His enchanted (not iced) snowball on the first kid FREES him from his worries, gets him to ABANDON his worries, and abandon himself to experiencing joy and having fun. His other enchanted snowball against the bully girl also frees her from her anger, and abandons her to joy. (EDIT: goodness; FREES = FREEZE)
pretty good interpretation! i've never thought about it that way 👍
A center isnt something that you go through, its something you put into the world, directly quoted from North.
This is a pretty neat look at it! children don’t lack freedom, in fact they have all the freedom in the world. Joy is a great word for it, i would argue that because jack is the one who came up with it, he probably chose fun because thats what hes good at. Any other person couldve interpreted it as joy, happiness, whatever, but I think what makes it special is that jack chose it for himsekf
@@silvereyed "Fun" is something that Jack can lead others to, but it's not what his snowballs provoke. If fun is food, then what Jack inspires is hunger. 'Fun' is not a feeling like 'joy'.
Santa Claus wants to provoke wonder, but he needs to make toys to inspire wonder. Sandman wants to provide dreams, but he needs to make children sleep for them to dream. Easter Bunny wants to inspire hope, but he needs eggs for children to hunt and find so they have something to hope for and to have a hope fulfilled.
Now that you said “Elijah Wood” for Jack I can’t get it out of my head- and I liked Chris Pine’s performance!
As for Jack and Elsa, I (as a fanfic writer) did a whole plot line about Jack coming to Arendelle and Elsa being able to see him as a child. He loved when she used her ice powers to play with Anna, and couldn’t stand that she became so afraid of them once she’d hurt Anna. She shut him out and pretended not to be able to see him until he went away… and years later, when she was grown up and accepting of her powers, she thought of him again, and wondered what happened to him- but he’d always been there, watching out for her, like the guardian he is. 😁 it wasn’t a romance. But then, I’m pretty Ace too.
Omg. That bit with Jono telling Alan “Get better man! For heaven’s sake!” Not only did I bust out laughing, but it so reminds me of several interactions with my close friends, with them telling me, essentially, “Being miserable doesn’t make you, you! Find the rest of you, Eeyore!” And honestly its only been recently that I’ve started to really let that idea sink into my consciousness.
I absolutely love this movie I wish there was a sequel!
Well, there are books if your interested.
@@sypher-9376 I didn’t know that thanks for letting me know I will check them out 😊
Couldn't agree more:)
@@sypher-9376 What are they called?
Best. Santa. Ever.
The question "What is your center?" really made me self reflect when I needed it most. Today I woke up feeling very down. Negative thoughts about my myself filled my head and it seemed like I wouldn't me able to shake them today. At my center, I am a joyful, playful soul who tries to see kindness whereever she goes. That is who I am and what I bring to the world.
Me too, it really made me rethink who am I? I often wish I was more outgoing, but the truth is that every time I sit down and talk calmly with a single person one to one, I think people agree that I bring comfort and inspire to harmony among us all. And that is an unique skill.
Hey Jon and Alan, long time observer, never commented here. I appreciate so much what you do on this channel and some of the things you said here really helped me put into perspective my past and how it helped me to know who I am, by figuring out who I'm not. I just never really thought of it in the way you guys said it, and this framing has helped me rid myself of a lot of guilt I had from a past relationship where, yes, I was a victim of abuse, but also I made choices I take accountability for what weren't the best. Anyway, thanks. I think I'm going to go find this movie and watch it. Thanks.
Thank you for your kind words, and thanks for being here! We appreciate you.
Never heard of Jack+Elsa ship but wow, they would make a great duo I must say. Not only because they make snow, but because Elsa is a sad lonely person who rarely laughs while Jack is also a lonely person but loves to have fun. Jack can teach her how to ease a little and while Elsa can give him what he misses the most- a family.
Great reason ❤
I actually like Jack frost’s voice… I think it helps knowing he’s supposed to be 18, and Chris pine does a pretty good job making himself sound younger
maybe if you don't know it's chris pine it wouldn't bother so much? I feel I'm pretty objective cuz had no idea who he was when I saw this and had no problem with his voice, I thought the acting was great and his character was perfect
@@mischr13 Literally same for me😆
Yep, I didn't think too much about his voice and knowing it's Chris Pine makes people pretty subjective just like the reply above says
same, I never had a problem with it because a) I didn't know who Chris Pine was and b) my little brother had a waaaay deeper voice at 17, puberty man...
Same and even so some guys around that age DO have that voice so I don't why is such a problem but welp xD
Once again, the editing team has me in stitches 🤣 the Gollum thing was just so perfect. Everyone, raises immediately
Right?! -alan
Same! I love it😂
When I tell you I Died XD
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You know, originally I thought my center was creativity, but this video helped me realize that my creativity comes from something else. So, I personally think my own center is appreciation or curiousity. When new challenges come up or I see something new in my life, I want to conquer it, understand it, and appreciate it through my writing.
I love this video. Makes me realize I didn't give this movie enough credit, and I'll definitely appreciate it more the next time I watch it!
Personally, I think one of the reasons why I think Jack and Elza could work is that
They could support each other through their tough times because they have both been isolated for a long period of their lives. And so because of that, they would absolutely be able to relate to each other and help each other through tough times, they have both been wanting a family and someone to love.
That could be each other
I LOVED Chris Pine in this movie. I found that his voice acting was fantastic and emotional and powerful and I realized he has a very attractive (idk?) speaking voice.
Personally I never thought his voice sounded wrong for a young looking character because I've known a lot of teen dudes with deeper voices.
Same I had teen friends with very deep voices, plus I think Elijah wood would've been horrible as jack frost's voice.
Same
I admittedly wasn't sure about Chris Pine at first and then I was like "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh HELLO" at the first line of dialogue lol
Chris Pine has a really cool voice but I have to agree that it is a bit too old, more so because the whole point of Jack Frost is that he is supposed to be childish and fun. Also a younger voice makes it easier for younger people to relate to it, which is kinda the point of his character's journey.
@@cheesefreak85 I agree. I always felt like Jack's voice in this movie had a feeling of voice cracks. It's like someone who suddenly facing being a grown up but is really just a kid. The weight Chris Pine's voice gives the performance is necessary. You could not have the same effect with a more youthful voice.
Every time North says he has big eyes full of wonder i start to cry i cant control it bro its second nature at this point cuz its such an amazing thing to have as a core to see wonder hope happiness and joy in everything you look at
23:15 felt like Alan was worried his magical snow-creating secret was about to be exposed lol
I have struggled a lot with existential problems and I reached a point of severe depression because of it. But I remember having a conversation with my mom and it was like a light bulb turning on inside my head. She said "you are too attached to others and you don't know how to deal with it. You'll just have to figure it out by yourself cause I'm not gonna be here forever." and I remember thinking "well, if I'm this attached to people, maybe the reason I'm here is to help them". From that day on, I decided that my "center" is to be happy and make someone happy.
I can't tell you how happy I am that you're covering this. RotG is one of my all-time favorite movies, from the character designs and personalities, to the music and animation. I love that they make it known that without joy and hope, the world would truly fall.
I geek out when it comes to this movie
The brutally honest self reflection of Alan in the end was really eye-opening, because I have the same problem. The minute I'm unwell, I resort to lying - either to other people or more often to myself. Knowing that this is a problem others have too has really helped me.
Same here…
We watched his journey of self acceptance happen & what actual healing looks like on camera
When Jonathan talked about first being a therapist and trying to act how he thought therapists were supposed to act, it took me back to my first few semesters of teaching college. Ugh. I'm only just now getting into being myself as a professor. I'm still mulling over the question of what is my center, but I think I'm with Alan in that I'm a story-teller. Sometimes it's like you guys are speaking directly to me...which is wonderful...and slightly creepy.
Empathy is my center, even when it can be really hard bc I want to give until I can’t anymore and sometimes end up hurting myself.
Pitchs backstory is really sad.
He was ordered to guard nightmares, and had to leave his children and wife behind.
The longer he guards nightmares the more he hears his children suffer in agony, pain or just crying a lot from those nightmares until they just devoured his mind and corrupt him and he let the nightmares go and become master of them.
Not quite what happened... also, why are you posting the spoilers to a book? What if someone wants to read them and hasn't yet?
@@AriaSerif maybe they don't know that its a book, if they see this maybe they will want to know more
Its not like I have spoiled every single book there is about them.
@@mikokennoob5032 maybe not, but that doesn't justify a spoiler.
@@AriaSerif Yes, but they have been out a decade. They are spoiling the movie for others as well 🤷♀️
@@mikokennoob5032 I hardly doubt that would matter to you if someone did that to you.
This movie is criminally underrated. Each character is so fascinating and unique. It’s such a joy to watch, and I feel like I notice something new each time I see it. I’ve also had this long-running theory that Jamie and his family are descendants of Jack’s sister, since they have similar features and Jamie looks a lot like a younger Jack. I think that would make this movie even more endearing, that Jack somehow knew deep down that they were his family
Who's your favorite character from the movie? Mine's sand man.
can we stop and say how powerful the performance of Santa was.
It took me years, i have returned to this episode month after months because i was looking for my center. Now on the latest rewatch, i can say i found it. My center, the thing that drives me. The love for nature and animals, i have been able to make this my job as a shepherd and i am feeling so free. The world around us is beautiful, every day is a new adventure and i cant wait what tomorrow brings day after day. I am 25 years old now, which is early if i look around me, and i can say i have found my place in this world. And you, internet dads, have given me the courage to search for my center. Thank you❤
I think most people ship characters just to explore the possibilities and Jack and Else both have experience in being in isolation. Jack has control over his powers and Elsa doesn't── at first. They're opposites, and that makes people wonder how they'd interact and the possible chemistry. It's a fun idea. Like playing in a character sandbox.
I get the point. But what doesn't connect with me is that none of them show interest in romance
Elsa is obvious and Jack is so dense with the fairy tooth (for example). So, for me, I can't imagine them building a romantic relationship together.
@@MarzoAlive they'll probably have a sibling relationship, Elsa would tell Jack about discipline and Jack would say back "Have Fun"
@@erushi5503 sure, just like... Elsa and Ana 😂
@@MarzoAlive I mean some people like writing romance and they'd explore how it's like with them being in a romantic situation. Some people like friendship and so they put them together in a friend's situation. Other like siblings and they'll put them in a sibling situation. It's really up to the creators. I honestly don't mind any of them. Like I said, character sand box.
GOD Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons talk is just body slamming me back to the mid 2010s lol
There could be a case for Elsa and Jack aside from the Cryokinesis. They're both loving older siblings who would do anything for their little sister, they both were born destined for greatness but had to go on a rather painful journey of self-discovery to figure that out. They were both ostracized and excluded from everybody(Elsa for her powers and Jack because no one could see him for 3 centuries). They're both amazingly loving and kind but also willing to fight with everything they have for the people they care about and the things they believe in. They actually have a whole lot of things in common, and sorry Alan, saying "she's an introvert and he's an extrovert" as reasons they wouldn't work doesn't really fly considering opposites do attract a lot of the time. He'd pull her out of her shell and show her it's okay to be around people, and she'd show him he doesn't need EVERYONE enjoying his presence all the time to feel validated.
But if the baseline is, 'opposites attract', than any character could be paired up with any character. You can always find reasons why two character might match well, either by pointing out similarities or by pointing out differences and saying 'opposites attract'. So there has to a reason, besides that, why this particular pairing became a fan favourite, and the reason is at it's most basic - yeah - probably: 'because they both make ice'.
I think they'd work not just as a couple but I could totally see Jack fitting in with Anna and Olaf and Kristoff. Elsa and Anna as opposites totally work yin and yang as do Anna and Kristoff, I think Jack would be a great addition to the family
@@cyprel the main issue with Elsa is that she is afraid of hurting people with her powers. She could never hurt Jack Frost which makes him that much more of a candidate for a close and intimate role in her life. All we would need to see is how the interact, but assuming they are both interested I don't see how they wouldn't be able to make it work.
Dip that’s actually pretty good!
Telecryosis*
Kinesis is movement. Cryokinesis would be MOVING ice. But he can freeze things with his power alone, and from a distance too, which makes it telecryosis. Freezing things from a distance. (Yes, that means pyrokinesis is also wrong. It's telepyrosis.)
I just want to say as a teenager going through the things you talked about in this video. You have helped me so much. Your videos bring me so much joy and even tears in this case. Thank you so much for wanting to help people.
I recently had to stop therapy sessions because my therapist changed practices, and coming to this channel has been keeping me so grounded. Thank you for doing these videos! I always leave feeling fulfilled and with something to think on.
About Jelsa:
They are both caring, loving siblings. They have a sister who is part of their foundation. And Elsa can be fun, as Jack can be serious. But one is grounded, the other is kind of visionary, and it really works, because a vision needs someone who can make it happen. And I think Elsa can see Jack, being him the spirit of winter and she being touched by magic. So, if they meet, depending on the situation, I think they may be inclined to help each other, out of curiosity. And the more they see how similar their background is, the more affectionate they could become. But I'm aro, and I'll die on this hill: love doesn't need to be romantic to be love. But, as couple or friend, they would be great.
Feelings may help start relationship, but won't make it last. I once had feelings for guy who was always disappointed about me being me - it was going down from the very beginning... To be honest I'm a bit jealous for you being aro :P
@@kohinattosru8587I can tell you how being around is for me. I can feel intense attraction and/or affection for people, and even choose to be in a relationship. I'm actually are. Simply put, I don't make distinction from family, friends and partner. My love is one and the same and the way I express that is unique for every one of them. So I don't treat him as the one and only. He is as important as my sisters and friends.
Was gonna put my own Jelsa defense argument, but I honestly couldnt have phrased it any better than this.
Elsa is too old for Jack. It's like Wendy and dipper one is a little kid and the other is a young adult.
@@nataliapanfichi9933 I almost responded as if this is a serious matter, but then I realized it is totally out of topic, do I won't. Please keep this out of my answer's feed, thank you.
Jack and Elsa are alike in the fact that they are both very protective people and they love to bring others joy. You can see that in their relationships with their siblings. They use their powers to make other people happy and in so doing find joy themselves .They are both willing to protect others even at a terrible cost to themselves. They are also similar in the fact that they are searching for their purpose only to discover that the person they’ve been all along is the person they should be: caring, fun, and giving. The main issue that they both have is the idea that somehow they aren’t good enough for the role for which they have been chosen and the power that the role entails. They feared their own strength and the world around them tried to diminish who they are. Maybe they’re a little too much alike.
And, as much as Jack is playful, Elsa is serious. They can balance each other that way.
One is from Disney and one is from dreamworks so that already is a deal breaker. Not just because they're two separate film companies, but those two companies want to kill each other
Or they could see how well each other fit their own roles through a unique position of empathy
Oh my god, this is so spot on! This made me a bit emotional, but this is it 100%! They both have a "dangerous" power that ultimately helped them learn who they are and they learned to use that power for good and build stronger relationships. They'd at least empathize and be good friends with each other.
I also think their differences are reflected in how their magic looks/behaves. Elsa's ice is very orderly,she makes the crystalline form grow in regular, organised shapes into her castle, her bridge is very deliberately designed and when she animates the snow guard it exists in her service. Olaf being a reflection of her feelings of release and joy when she made him. Whereas jack doesn't tend to do much with grand structures,he deals mostly in beautiful, swirling, intricate and chaotic patterns of frost that weave into and over themselves and when he does make anything material from actual ice its rarely a neat form, its of a shape that will do, i guess. when he's fighting pitch he makes a wall of spiky, rugged ice to block pitch's attack and the frost trail he makes for the kid on the sled is very much just there to make the ground slippery.
Discovered this channel is one of the best thing ever happened in my life. Thank you for keeping making them. There were lots of struggle for me to make through a rather isolated and difficult path of my childhood, and each one of your videos helped me heal from it. Thank you.
After a deep and quite complex process of self sensing, I think my center is loneliness. Which made me a person who never take connections and caring for granted, also made me extremely sensitive to anyone who is struggling in loneliness, to people who were forgotten by society. I once mistook that as mercy, but not until I truly accepted and embraced the loneliness and sadness, did my life got an actual turning point.
Thank you all again, your videos truly helped me complete my healing journey.
i think my center is loving and caring for people. I genuinely love meeting new people and listening to their stories and who they are. I love learning and having my mind expanded. Thank you 2 for all you do!
I don't ship Jack and Elsa, but I don't think they would hate each other long term. Elsa is introverted and ordered, but only as a trauma response. I think Jack would annoy her at first, but also help her remember how to trust herself and her power to be fun and let go of her fear of hurting Ana again
Which is something that Anna couldn’t really help her with on such a personal level.
Neither comes off as a sexual character for me...
Tbh none of the Guardians. Maybe the Tooth Fairy, when it comes to teeth... O.o
As compensation there is Anna in Frozen, has enough jungle fever for both movies. XD
I don't really like that people ship Jack Frost and Elsa cuz these two characters literally only have one thing in common having snow and ice powers. And I really despite Elsa as a character cuz her personality is like "I'm a queen so I'm better than you." And Jack Frost's personality is nothing like Elsa's, he's optimistic and likes being around kids and wants to show everyone what a good time is like.
@@erikastone9183 I agree 1000%
I feel like Disney gave Elsa so many wardrobe changes and forgot to give her a memorable personality lol
I am definitely a huge fan of opposites attract ships, when it's done right and Jack and Elsa is not that case.
I think so too and they'd probably feel connected and help each other, but I also don't ship them. I just think they could have something to give each other. But not in a relationship, maybe as friends or something.
I love how you clearly conveyed, "career is not equivalent to identity and purpose."
So many ppl out there think that who they are, as human beings, is what they DO... when in reality, couldn't be further from the truth. We're so much MORE than just that.
Thank you.
27:45 I love that you guys still include the random clip-inserts for wonderful films, especially to any young people who happen to watch your video hopefully one day watching the masterfully funny/joyous What's Up Doc with Streisand/
Alan, let me pile on and say you being able to cry publicly, along with being able to address the feelings that were literally flowing out of you in the moment, has helped me to be able to do the same. You literally showed me how to process emotions healthily, something I had never seen before. THANK YOU!!! Spielberg can never top that in my life, even having brought John Williams to my awareness. And if you knew me, that compliment would move you to tears yet again.
Rise Of The Guardians is a childhood classic that deserved to be turned into a franchise like HTTYD with the amount of passion that went into it, because it is so uplifting and cheerful and inspiring, and this video shows exactly how.
I do agree that I wish DreamWorks would do more with, especially since the world is based on fables and figures and has so much potential. Heck, I would a holiday special at this point to get my fix! 😂
But unfortunately, the bomb at the box office really set this movie back and even with a pretty strong fanbase the numbers probably aren’t there for the studio to take another chance. 😭
What the heck is HTTYD?
@@nonofyb how to train your Dragon
The books give Pitch Black a more rounded character with a potential for redemption, and I'd love if they'd explored that more. He's not inherently evil, he was grieving the loss of his wife and daughter when the shadows possessed him in his moment of grief induced weakness
That…is a massive spoiler for someone planning to read the books.
I know because I’m one of them
@@phoebusapollo8365 It isn't really, it's quite early on in the books. The movie isn't anything like the books at all. When you're first introduced to Pitch it's back when he was Cosmotis Pitchiner. It's earlier on in the books than Sandman's character being introduced. He's basically the author's self insert about his depression after his daughter Catherine died of a brain tumor. He's introduced as a normal loving family guy first who's tricked by those taking advantage of his grief. He isn't the big bad guy in the books like he is in the movie, he's essentially a man shaped puppet, and that's made clear early on. You'll have to read the books to find out the actual villains.
The books are aimed at around 8-10 year olds, so they're a fairly quick read, but enjoyable nonetheless. Given the acknowledgements at the start of the book being dedicated to the author's deceased daughter, you know before you even begin the actual story that it's going to be about grief, acceptance, and hope by creating an imaginary world for his daughter's memory to live on in.
I actually thought the Guardians could accept Pitch at some point. Nightmares are as essential as happy dreams, after all. Sandman (recent series) explored this a bit.
@@phoebusapollo8365 It's not an accurate spoiler. As someone who has read the books, I can tell you that Nia did not actually get it right about the whole incident with Pitch. Go read the books and you'll find that Nia glossed over it and didn't actually tell you too much of anything that was important.... or entirely accurate.
@@NiaJustNia Even so, you could have left the information on what happened to him as ambiguous by just saying "he's not actually evil" and left it at that. Also, I disagree with you on the whole "acknowledgements" thing. I've seen acknowledgements before to those who have lost loved ones, but that doesn't mean their books were all about grief, acceptance, etc. It might be true for that particular book, but I wouldn't say that fact alone gave away anything. When I read it the first time (after I read the acknowledgments) I was like... okay so this is like Wizard of Oz, it's dedicated to a dead child... that's cool, means she's in here somewhere as a character... wonder what her role is. I did NOT expect the whole escapade that happened WITH said character.
It’s been a year to the day of the worst day of my life. While I’m in therapy and healing I am still having to face the monster who brought me and my family here. This channel has helped so so much! Giving oneself permission to heal really deeply spoke to me. I’ve been putting in the work but I don’t think I gave myself permission. Thanks as always yall❤
Also I believe my center is either compassion or empathy.
Really long ago... But if I had to guess at it, my center would be patience. I deal with drunks and little kids, I have two professions and both need me to deal with people, and be patient with them. If I loose my patience, I fail at helping, at doing what I learned that I love. Explaining things, or just making people feel better, or accepted, it requires patience, and it guided me to finding all this... Almost 10 years after I left college. Yeah, life's a journey and we're always learning.
Your Santa impression! That was incredible.
I think the reason Pitch failed with Jack is that he didn't understand that Jack is scared, often, but never gives into it. He was scared when he saved his sister, you can see him almost give into it. He wasn't scared, exactly, with the sledding incident with Jaime, but even in his mischief he has perfected how to keep the kid safe, naturally cautious. And both the Guardians and Pitch definitely scared him - but he squared up to them as well. And it's a part of himself that he was constantly giving to others. Empathizing with the fear, then redirecting that fear to something else. He is water to Pitch's oil, they might jumble together a bit, but would never mix.
All that said, Pitch has got to be one of the most intriguing villains to me. I feel like he really has a place in the lives of children (fear does lead to survival), and I think Jack and Pitch WOULD be a smashing team. A touch of fear, a touch of fun -- new places discovered, new inventions made, new connections made. Going out of that comfort zone to do something amazing. Pitch and Santa would be a great team for the same reasons. I'm not the biggest fan of redemption arcs, but I feel like this could be one where the guardians realize they were wrong about Pitch, and Pitch gets to find a way to work with his abilities that is satisfying and strengthening for everyone.
Yeah, I love this movie. Maybe think a bit too much about it! (No! Shipping!)
Ooh brilliant! Think of all the best adventure stories--a mix of fun and danger!
Go read the books and you'll probably find out why a redemption arc would be a very long movie... because there's more to him than just his personality at play. That's all I'm going to say on it because I don't believe in spoilers.
@@AriaSerif I did read the books. They are one of two where I actually enjoy the movie way more than the books. They're barely even parallel stories. I'd like to see the movie universe explored and expanded on, and since it's a kid's movie - I'd LOVE to see a movie where fear is explored and seen as a good thing to use instead of vilified and seen as something purely bad.
@@AriyaLauna That'd be nice, but since it bombed... well, there's fanfiction of that. I've seen plenty of it.
I love your takes!! “Jack is water to Pitch’s oil, they might jumble together a bit, but would never mix.” -beautiful and well said!!!!
I have always loved this movie. The “what is your center” scene with Santa is one of my absolute favorites of all time and it makes me tear up because it spoke to me so much ❤
I thought about what I want to do after school for a long time. And there is always this one thing that comes to mind. I love teaching people. I love seeing their eyes light up when they understand something. I love seeing how happy they are when they write a good test. It really makes me happy to see people smile when they understand a certain thing they have been trying to learn for a long time.
Watching this movie for the first time as a young teen really helped me figure out who I am as a person. The whole idea of having a center meant much more than having a purpose. While I believe my center is joy, I can take that in so many directions. This thought process has helped me figure out how to best live my life and make myself happiest.
I loved Jack's voice. Most of my husband male family members have deep voices since their teenage years, so it makes total sense. Plus, it make him look not as such a plain character, it brought deep to him, as if telling us without tell us: "I can be dark as I can be good". Having him having a too sweet or childlike voice would defeat that purpose.
BTW, I love your analysis, your are great, and Alan, just by being who you are, you are great. We all need therapy in one way or the other and we will still love you the same or even more if you heal whatever is it you feel you haven't healed yet ☺️. Jonathan, thanks for teaching us so much!!!! ❤️
Yeah, I think even though he is now immortal, in a sense he aged emotionally from having been around so long; I'd love to see how he brought fun to kids living through, say, WWII for example. He's so good at bringing fun because he knows the horrible things that can happen. Even the mundane stuff--give kids as much time as possible to have snowball fights, build snowmen, and go sledding, before they grow up and start complaining about shoveling and driving on icy roads.
I do think Elijah Wood could've pulled it off too and I think his voice also fits the look of the character, but I'd have to hear him actually voice a clip of Jack in order to decide who I like better.
I agree, especially since he's supposed to be (movie cannon) at the end of being a teenager in age. So the whole deeper voice works. It wouldn't have worked if they'd have gone with the book age (which is canonically 14).
For the ship, I've always thought the popularity of the Elsa/Jack ship (beyond the obvious) was that they were characters who had dealt with isolation but their personalities are so very much the foil of the other. It's the sort of dynamic that makes fandoms and fan creators thrive.
I agree. Like, I don’t think Alan’s critiques are wrong, but I do think they oversimplify why people love the ship. The “they’re both cold/ice/snow!” bit is the story hook, not the actual meat of the ship
It’s a bit like a classic Hallmark Christmas movie, Elsa being the uptight queen and Jack being the small town fun guy
@@artlly_ oh my goodness, yes! I've never thought about it that way!
but jack is like 16 and elsa is in her mid twenties
@@berdlyistrans when he died, sure. But he’s been around a lot longer than her.
We’re more commenting on why people like the ship, not the actual logistics.
I can't think of a better center than two words joy and wisdom, giving advice and when the time is not right distracting people to have some fun till they need to face hard times
I LOVE this movie. So I gotta disagree on the Chris Pine thing. I think he adds enough playfulness to it that it works. However! You’ve given me SO much to think about. Finding my center. I don’t think I have just one. Big part: bringing people together. But there’s something else there that’s harder to define.
If Jack lived in isolation for so long and Elsa was isolated and feared her powers they both had a similar journey and would have so much to relate to each other about. Relating and understanding someone's pain because you actually get it can really help bring two people together. Elsa can be uptight and could use a fun Jack in her life, much like the benefit she gets from her fun wacky sister. But he could understand the depths of the emotional journey she went on and could provide a safe space for her to just be and in turn she could give him the chance to really shine and partner with her to help the world be a more fun and snowy place. That's what Elsa did in the beginning before she got all fearful, she helped her sister have fun and loved it.
You've articulated this well! In the start of both movies it also shows them playing with their sisters and having fun. They would be able to relate to one another and also teach one another new views. Elsa being trapped and having to live up to being a queen and Jack showing her how to be less uptight and vice versa
Edit: and yes they'd be great friends
Maybe they can be best friends
I agree, I think they could be great friends, but I can't see either of them really being in a relationship with anyone. Jack is all about freedom and fun and making friends, we do see him travel around a bit in the beginning even if he returns to the same place. Elsa is all about independence and taking care of her sister and taking care of her kingdom. Jack would leave a lot, and I don't see him wanting to help rule a kingdom which would become his responsibility if he were to be in a relationship with Elsa. There's no guarantee that she could see him anyway, her world is full of magic and spirits but you have to believe in him specifically which she may not. Elsa could certainly do with knowing Jack and vice versa, but they're both independent and neither even seems to be interested in a relationship with anyone. And Elsa would certainly be in a position to in the second movie, as it stands I could only think of them as being great friends that like to make snow days together.
Jack is a minor (14).
@@uggggggghhhhh agreed! Cool besties, very chill besties
For Jack and Elsa, I think it might actually make sense in a way similar to how Amy Santiago and Jake Peralta work in Brooklyn 99. Elsa is the Spirit of Balance, methodic, a care-taker, and introverted (not necessarily ace but the undertones are there so you never know), while Jack is the Guardian of Fun, extroverted, sassy, and emotional. Both share deep love and care for their younger sisters, both are characters that went through a journey looking for who they are, and both like when people around them are happy and have fun. Their desires, objectives, and self-awareness matches, while their different ways of handling people compliment each other. Sooo yeah, it would be a nice couple (assuming they are both either bi or heterosexual)
Yeah. That’s why I really love this couple when I was younger. They both were so different but similar in other aspects and both experienced this isolation, so it was fun reading fanfics about them exploring this connection and understanding between them.
I stumbled upon a comic where Jack sends a little fun-magic snowflake at Elsa at the beginning of the let it go scene, triggering her embrace of her powers. And i related to Elsa and had a little fiction crush on jack so I reject the interpretation that they would hate each other lol
Introverts don’t hate extroverts, we just need some time to adjust to them and they can’t expect us to come to *all* their social events (even most might be pushing it)
I do support an ace Elsa reading, since vibes are there and I’m ace, tho not aromantic. They seemed to get a really strong ace vibe from her so rejection on those grounds are understandable, tho they did miss how a lot of their differences are more in presentation as opposed to core values
Exactly. I find they compliment each other in very interesting ways. My favorite pieces of edits would be Jack being her first "imaginary" friend (or so she thought) who tried to help her through her fear of her powers and then learned to remember him again when she grew up. Given how he handles his sister, I can see him making a connection with her through that. They both go through issues in dealing with isolation and how they try to be around others in differing ways, while still grappling with issues on purpose, reason, loneliness, avoidance, etc. They have similarities beyond the icy powers and also differences based on how they would handle the same situation and would be able to bounce each of their solutions off of each other and both grow from it, and I think that's really great. Whether as a platonic relationship, or romantic.
@@BlackTigr I agree with all of this but completely platonically.
Cant escape the shippers