Therapist Reacts to ENCANTO
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.พ. 2022
- What do you do when you're feeling pressure like a drip, drip, drip that'll never stop? How do you handle the pressure -- from yourself or other people in your life -- to be perfect or to live up to expectations?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright take a look at the theme of toxic perfectionism in Disney's Encanto. They talk about how to handle the pressure, how to heal family relationships, how to look past our assumptions about people, and how to accept yourself and the people in your life for who you are. And about how Lin Manuel Miranda is a genius, the amazing artistry in this film, and a whole lot more. But not Bruno. We don't talk about Bruno.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker, and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright, and Alan Seawright
Edited by: Jenna Schaelling
Director of Photography: Bradley Olsen
English Transcription by: Anna Preis
Spanish Translation by: Juan Willems - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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She sang waiting on a miracle and 42 hours later her baby was born.
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Thank you for going over this movie. It has touched so much more emotionally. Thank you and love your channel!
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100% YES to a story about Bruno. I honestly think an episode could be done on all of them. But especially Bruno.
when I realized the black shawl Abuela wears through a lot of the movie is a mourning shawl, she never stopped suffering that loss
Agreed. When she was no longer wearing it, I noticed immediately and was like, 'Yes, that makes sense, she's been mourning this whole time.'
I had the same. You can even see it in her body language, every time she worries, or "pulls herself up", she gathers the shawl around herself
I always saw the shawl as a protective barrier. Like a shield of sorts made up of her need to “earn the miracle” that was given to her and her family. Like a physical reminder of what’s she’s been through and how she refuses to let that happen again, utilizing her pain and trauma to create something good and worthwhile. A way to her protect what she has left. I could be off the mark there a bit, but that’s how I’ve always interpreted the shawl and her mannerisms concerning it.
@@bambamrocks931 i love this! I'm a big fan of the idea that Abuela's gift is building up walls, while Mirabel's is breaking them down (both literally and figuratively) And I hadn't accounted the mourning shawl into that
@@Adamant_Adam Okay I love this interpretation ❤️
Fun fact: The crew had to fight for Luisa to be a large muscular woman because they thought no one would like a buff woman and they merchandized the heck out of Isabela because they thought she'd be the favorite of little girls but actually Luisa ended up being much more popular with girls
The 'Luisa's merch sold better' thing is just a rumour someone made up. It's not true. There's no evidence of it. I don't think there's any need for people to put Isabella down to bring Luisa up. They're both good.
@@Marzi29 It's not even putting Isabela down, it's just saying she wasn't as popular.
Even if you leave merchandizing out of it, people seem to have responded so much more to Luisa's character and her song. Buff or not, she's really awesome.
@@Marzi29 why do you immediately assume that talking up Luisa is “putting Isabella down”? If someone had said that Isabellas merch had sold better than Luisas, I doubt you’d be saying that was “putting Luisa down” it’s a subtle implied bias.
@@kelliehorn1082 Luisa’s song felt like it demonstrated her personality and was honestly was more fun to me. Isabela’s I don’t really remember. It reminded me of something that might be in Tangled. It felt too generic for my taste (I say this even though I generally also appreciate the Isabela subplot).
A little late to the game, but something I noticed about Isabelle is that yes, flowers and being pretty are her thing, and everyone's talked about the superficial part of her where she's just decoration, but one of the things I just realized is - flowers are accessible they don't fight back when you pick them, cactuses and carnivorous plants aren't. She literally has to deal with people passing her around and handing her off, and essentially doing things to her and her life often without her consent to the point that her whole song was about wanting control of her own life and autonomy. I don't think her personality is prickly at all - and that she's probably really sweet and kind and may really love flowers, but is so tired of people grabbing at her the only way she could see out was to grow thorns.
The sad part about this too is that it's a reason behind a lot of bullying too. They hate seeing someone that's able to live the way they want to but can't, so they lash out at them.
@@Mizumii25 yes but thats not what isabelle is about
@Airchair in a way, yeah it is. It's clear that since Mirabelle's ceremony, it's been that way. They never got along. They see each other with a life that they want but can't have. It defined their relationship and with Isabella finally venting and letting it all out in her song, Mirabelle sees it and they reconcile through it. The gift defined their lives, even with not having one. Isabella saw Mirabelle without the preasure of the gift and freedom that she wanted. Mirabelle saw Isabella with a gift and accepted by the family and, especially, Abuella. They're FIVE when they get their gift. That's their entire 5 years of life being hyped up about it. You can see that in Mirabelle as a toddler. Even at 5 she wants to please Abuella. Then, because she got no gift, she's suddenly shunned by Abuella, basically her idol, and is seen as the black sheep of the family. The outsider. Someone with freedom and no expectations of perfection. Exactly what Isabella wants but can't have because of Abuella demanding perfection from her family.
You just spoke to my inner artist and I love making that a problem for all my Tumblr followers. Thank you for saying this. My prison is a little looser now thanks to you.
@@Mizumii25 Isabella didn't get along with Mirabel because Isabella needs to be perfect for Abuela but Mirabel is the opposite and isn't perfect so she has to put her sister aside for the family to get Abuela's approval. The song makes Mirabel realize Isabella isn't this all perfect person and is forced to be so Mirabel supports her imperfection. Not because Mirabel wants Isabella's life and vise-versa.
“Surface pressure” is the first song in a Disney movie ever that completely got me. Nailed it. Lin Manuel really understands the burdens and psyche of working / work-horse women in families such as these. Everything about this song is me.
Apparently, he based it on his older sister.
@@FuriennaReally? Wow
i honestly cried listening to that song for the first time because i related to it way to much as an older sister
As an older brother growing up in a home with a brother who had severe autism and was non verbal. This song hit me hard. I love my brother more and more every day, but because of his inability to mentally grow up. It’s like living with a 20 year old toddler. It’s been really hard. But it’s made me a stronger and more compassionate person. And I will never forget what my brothers done for me.
@Furienna ironically, it reminded me of my older sibling
I'm surprised they didn't specifically talk about Luisa's line: "I'm pretty sure I'm worthless if I can't be of service." because that's the one that always hits me the most in terms of what it says about her in such a concise manner.
honestly, I was waiting for that line specifically. It hits so hard for me.
My bf and I had a whole conversation about that. He pointed it out and said that’s how a lot of people feel.
This is also where a lot of ableism comes from - as if people only have value for what they can put back, rather than who they are as a person.
he was talking over it so likely didnt hear it properly if the video is timed to what their watching
one of the ones that gets me is that NO ONE EVER NOTICES
"give it to your sister an never wonder if the same pressure would have pulled you under"
"think of the family!" "i was thinking of my daughter" i LOVE the father bc he's the only one who stands up to Abuela. the relationships this movie subtly lets on is impressive
Julieta does follow his lead - "You've always been too hard on Mirabel" - but Augustin is the only one who is explicitly, openly, always in Mirabel's corner. I adore him for that.
@@AIRogge "too hard" means that everybody else could handle it, just mirabel was too sensitive. Its the same othering she experiences, when not included in the fcking family picture. She's different than others. That's why the answer isn't as strong as the fathers, cause indirectly she puts the responsibility on mirabel (but it would be oay if mirabel could fake her strength like luisa). I get why she said it though, julieta is also caught up in abuelas ways and weakness is probably not allowed..
@@not-a-ghost2206 No, it doesn't. It means that Abuela was going harder on Mirabel than on the others. Which she was, other than how hard she was going on Bruno, because she was scared of what it meant that Mirabel had no gift.
Julieta and Augustin are fantastic parents. Julieta in the beginning tells Alma that Antonio’s ceremony will be a hard night for Mirabel. She may not be as upfront or aggressive as Augustin in “thinking of my daughter,” but she is doing what she can.
@@crystalfairy912 which is excellent characterisation tbh. Juliet has to balance her mother and her daughter, while to Augustin there is only his duty towards his daughter. Ain't his mum so he's more comfortable standing up to her.
When Abuela lost her husband... They animated such a desperate face on her. I had never seen such a thing. bursted out crying just with her face.
Contrast that flashback moment with the fairy-tale version that Abuela told little Mirabel at the start of the movie. The emotional weight of that event was soft, vague... "Disneyfied", you could say. It was just a backdrop to the story of how the miracle and the Encanto were created, with Alma, apparently habitually, minimizing its effect on her. Then we (and Mirabel) see what actually happened, the pure raw grief and anguish that Alma felt in that moment, the softening fairy-tale presentation utterly stripped away to show the very real, very human, very traumatic impact. It made the scene hit like a ton of bricks. We can feel her pain and resonate with it. The animators did an incredible, incredible job.
@@redwitch12 yes!!! I noticed this too!! There was so much thought and emotion put into this movie
She's still a horrible person .
@@redwitch12I loved how they told the story visually two different ways in part because it makes sense for the ages Mirabel was at each telling.
@@redwitch12 I saw desperate face like that in anime. Ao Haru Ride. He found out his mother was diagnosed with cancer and she did die. He cried so much when he found out when she was diagnosed with cancer. He went home to cry alone though, not in front of his mother. He needs to stay strong for his mother.
the scene that hurt me the most in this movie is the picture scene where they say the whole family and they don't even recognize that Mirabel wasn't in it. that would've been my villain arc, she was WAY too strong. something i also don't get is how the townspeople and the Madrigals were so angry at Bruno for using HIS gift when they asked for it. his gift was to predict the future, not cause it!
What I think is that the whole family had been so stressed all day that they didn't remember to double-check if everybody was there.
Besides, Mirabel made the choice to not step forwards to be included in that picture.
And I think I have to correct you and point out that the Madrigals weren't angry with Bruno for using his gift.
Abuela and Pepa were angry with him because they thought that he had left them, and that is a different thing altogether.
But as for the townspeople, they used him as a convenient outlet for their frustrations when things went wrong.
He was probably accused of killing people too and not just goldfish. 😬
@@Furienna i agree with you, what i meant with the madrigals being angry with him is that their experiences with him seemed more like infuriation instead of annoyance. the children wouldn't understand because they didn't know him but the way bruno told maribel about why he left made it seem like they wanted him gone instead of him wanting to leave himself, but thats just the way i saw it.
my villain arc in my family started at a family photo shoot where my sisters and i were left out of the grandkids photo, and then told we wouldn't fit into the great grandkids photo either, so we just didn't get to be in the generational photos that are now hanging on my cousin's walls. i don't speak to her anymore ✌🏼
@@alissalalala Why would they be happy to have him back if they had wanted him gone?
@@Furienna originally, they might've wanted him gone. they hadn't seen him for 10 years; it'd make sense that they were happy to have him back.
I love that Mirabel actually does everything she says she would do in her solo. The mountains open up around the encanto, she helps Isabella grow new flowers, she heals the broken home and family.
Me too, I just love that she ask "where do I go? And the encanto show's the cassita, and when she says "I would heal what's broken. Show this family something new" they showcase that her family is what is broken. It's just a perfect combination of songwriting e visuals.
You have blown my mind and I thank you
Miranda said in an interview once that he writes his music like a chess player. Every decision in the beginning is part of a plan five moves later
@@lizzieanne2214 You’re welcome
@@Moeller750 I definitely saw that with Hamilton.
The fact that Abuela actually says the words “I am so sorry” not once, but twice, meant SO much to me. I would often be told to apologize, but I rarely, if ever, received one.
I’m sorry.
That's shows you are the bigger person in most situation. And I know the feeling. I'm sorry
same
This reminds me of my dad, I wish he can say sorry more but he rarely does, and when he does even if it's small I get emotional and remember those sorrys
Same..
Finally someone else who agreed with Abuela. She wasn’t an outright villain who didn’t care about or love her family. She is deeply flawed from her lack of perspective and not healing from her trauma. She ended up with responsibilities that could have been shared with others. She did things she shouldn’t have and rightfully should have been called out for it. And yet She is human, terribly so. I think it was put best: “It wasn’t justified but it was easier to understand and therefore to forgive.”
Understand, yeah. Forgive? That depends.
@@audraverela3663 I disagree. Not forgiving still gives abusers power over the their victims no matter how much healing was done.
@@audraverela3663 For some _it is_ a way of moving on, I agree that its their choice. As a christian, from our perspective its more of a case between the forgiver and God, it does not have to be said outloud to those who _had_ misused their trust. However, in regard to both yours' and the replyers view; I believe there is a difference in meaning meant here, forgiveness verses reconciliation.
@@audraverela3663 I remember a similar conversation on the movie short Opal { th-cam.com/video/-1pVLJl_snc/w-d-xo.html }
Very much the same arguments in the comment section. But in this case neither forgiveness nor reconciliation was given from either side in contrast to ENCANTO. There was also a much bleaker outcome in Opals' sequel.
Of course, it wasn't her responsibility to fix her family. But I believe the difference in ENCANTO is that their abuela came to her family first, after realizing the harm she brought. They looked together to the future... To quote Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking together in the same direction."
@@audraverela3663judging from the sheer amount of anger in these comments sounds like not a lot of healing has been done. Not trying to be disrespectful here, but lashing out at people sharing what seems to be mostly personal experiences and getting so angry is a big red flag. Don't know what you've been through, and have no interest in sharing my story, but I hope you get through it ok and realize that what's good for you doesn't work for everyone.
As a companion La Casita seems to be more fond of Mirabel than the others. It seems like it understands the gift Mirabel was given was freedom from expectations by her family. That gives her the perspective that ultimately saves the family
I also interpret the door disappearing on Mirabel as this sign that Mirabels gift is already in her, and that when she reforms La Casita in the end it's the confirmation of that. She doesn't get her own room either. Her room is the entire home. It fits
some people have stated, and I can agree, the house and the candle are the Abuelo's spirit to speak.
"I like how Luisa is... very girly" THANK YOU for noticing this. I'm so tired of people calling her masculine just because of her muscles!
That's because most people refuse to look under the surface
God I hate that too, funny story, I’m not why I had to give my name but the lady I was talking to responded by giving me a look and being like“but that’s not a girls name!”
People frustrate me when they believe there own assumptions.
I saw a young lady whose build was very like Louisa and who recognizes that the American perception of that build is that it is masculine, but who was very much a “girly girl” a phrase which is so telling in itself. Gender identity is as varied as any other human trait. This young lady dressed as Louisa, and honest to goodness, they might have modeled the character on her. I am six foot tall, mostly leg and bust, and have always been taller than everyone else. As a teenager I used to tell people that I was a fine boned five foot two on the inside. One of the things this movie presents is that people are not the mask they show to the world and that the only person who knows the person is the one who sees under the shell. Disney has been kicking that idea around for a while.
@@mittenista ha, nice
My favorite subtle detail in this movie is the difference in Abuela's weeping between the opening exposition and when she tells Mirabel her story. The first time, it's rather gentle "pretty crying," but the second time she is full on sobbing and screaming in pain. It shows the difference between a child's understanding taking a story at face value, and a mature person seeing and empathizing with someone else's tragedy
I also see it as Abuela tweaking the story to hide the real pain of things
Daaamn, nice catch!
Your comment made me cry and you are so very correct.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking. First time, it's just a story told to and perceived by a little girl. The second time around? Full blown grief and pain and suffering, because Mirabel finally understands. It broke my heart when I first watched the film (it keeps breaking it every time I re-watch, too, so...good job, Disney.)
The way the story is presented is completely different too. The first time it's presented like a fable, with Pedro's "death" represented by him peacefully stepping into a white light, and it's painted as a valiant sacrifice born of love. The second paints a much more grim and stark reality of a peaceful, innocent man ridden down by raiders with swords raised, and it's just... A life, gone meaninglessly to waste. It's a very subtle difference but it's "He gave his life to save us" VS "He was murdered and it was terrible."
So, my take on Mirebel’s lack of a gift is that *she* is the gift
She brought the family together, she let all the tension and stress be released, she got people to get their issues off their chest
She saved the family, and helped everyone in the family
Abuela was worried about the big picture, the family, the miracle, the casita
Mirebel saw the forrest for the trees, and by doing so, saves the forest
I think that's the final point in the movie - we discover that it's Abuela herself that's the gift, and Mirabel is there to carry that on to future generations to come.
Even so, i feel like she deserves her own room, it must suck to have to share every time a new kid is born. Give the girl her own private space, ffs
Agree. People who say the house is her gift don't make sense.
To me it was that Mirabel was going to be the next matriarch. Abuela also didn't have a gift and was a (poor) grounding force for the family. Mirabel's gift was her vision to see a new path forward for the family to take together.
I think the room thing was symbolic, as before if you didn't have a gift there wasn't really a place for you in the family. After they rebuilt the house though Mirabel did get a room signifying the change that there is a place now for everyone, gifts or no
She will be the guardian like her grandmother.
The fact that Encanto was the reason my mom saw my mental illnesses and decided to talk about them with me with a therapist is crazy. Growing up with a physically disabled brother, a diabetic grandma with a sweet addiction, a widowed working mom, and the scars my dad left behind from his death is tough, in the end I stepped up, I did it for us but also because no one else could, I had no other choice. Me and so many others had their childhoods ripped away from us so we could step up and take so many responsibilities.
To all the kids carrying their families on their shoulders, I know you need a break but you’re not in a position to take one, I wanted to say that I hear you. Your voice is valid, you are not as strong as you want to be. Don’t have unrealistically high expectations for yourself, even if others have them for you. Hang in there, even if you don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel, I promise you it’s there, you just need to walk and turn a little longer. If no one else notices, I at least believe in you.
Thank you.
We're all in this shit together
As someone who has a disabled sister, I feel you. All the burden fell on me to do everything. Do all the house work, do all the chores, do all the things she couldn't do. Several times it got to a boiling point that I would argue with my parents. It took me moving several thousands of miles away from my family to have them realize how much pressure they put me under.
It took me that thousands of miles to realize that I had high expectations of myself, extremely high expectations that it cost me a relationship with someone I truly cared for. Since then, it has been a path to finding myself again.
Thank you ❤
Thank you
The running joke about Mirabel's power is that her power is to get a Hispanic matriarch to not only admit they were wrong but ALSO apologize.
You will squeeze a diamond from coal much more easily than getting an apology from a Hispanic parent or grandparent let alone an admittance of being wrong.
Es gracioso porque es triste
@@itmustbecomeasun Reír para no llorar.
@@ArgentumFox Definitivamente jajajajjajaja
so true, you have to force them into a situation. Personally i tried it in a public area, that being a theme park in a very crowded area. A lot of my family thinks im calm and reserved so them seeing me absolutely snap was new for them, my mom apologized and then proceeds to continue doing the same stuff.
As a half Colombian where most of my family comes from there…
Yeah, that checks out.
I really like when he says "Her past doesn't justify her actions but it makes them understandable and *that* makes it easier to forgive"
I love how he says “easier to forgive” instead of “forgivable.” It might be easier now, but it’s not a full fix. She still has to put in the work towards forgiveness
Yes! When Snape's backstory is revealed in Harry Potter, it seemed to me like a lot of people were letting him off the hook for being a bully. I was afraid that might happen with Encanto, but I've seen a lot of people get it.
I have a family member that verbally attacks me on the regular and she probably sees me as Isabella and resents me for it when my 'perfectionism' was born from maternal expectations and has come at a great cost. I have forgiven her so many times for things she has said because I know of many of her past hurts. Unfortunately its a one way bridge and I am too tired to cross it anymore just to get smacked when I do. :( I am expected to be perfect by some people and am 'too perfect' to others. I had a lot of expectations pinned on me but living to meet them really meant a lot of isolation amoung my peers and siblings.
@@theoldaccountthatiusedtous6767 Snape wasn't a bully. He was straight up emotionally abusing children.
That’s why I love to explain that reasons don’t equal justifications
Louisa's song "Surface Pressure" is a masterpiece.
If you listen close, in between each line at the beginning she takes a shaky breath to steady herself for the stoic facade.
If you are a middle child, it's like nothing else in media representation. It's incredible.
The song has given me heart palpitations it makes me cry so hard. Absolutely amazing
@@characterblub2.0 you good bro?
@@JavierEscuella1911 absolutely not 😂🫡
Middle child? Ha!
Try being the eldest with all of these burdens (middle implies 3+ children. With 2, you get Isabella + Luisa wrapped into one)
@@katarinawikholm5873 I feel you. The expectations are on you: if you fail to be strong and perfect, your younger sibling will be better and you will be blamed ("why can't you be more like them?"/"if you would just try harder") and sidelined - but if you succeed your younger sibling will be more important ("don't put your success in their face"/"can't you see they're suffering") and you will be blamed by your sibling too ("I was never good enough because I had to live up to your standards!").
You cannot win either way.
I know, younger siblings could absolutely say the same thing the opposite way, and it all depends on the family and your own perspective. But I hope in the future, I, myself, will be mindful enough to encourage every child the same and empower their own strengths without too many expectations. I am hopeful to have that gift. (Sidenote: I don't want kids. But everyone around me does. So I can encourage them as a safe haven.)
You know.... They say that Mirabelle didn't get a gift but she's literally seeing the inside of the people she connects to. She's seeing all of Luisa's fears, she's seeing Isabella for who she is, she LITERALLY saw Abuella's past. She's experiencing who these people are and not just via a connection or anything. She's seeing what's causing their pain. She's EXPERIENCING IT while helping them.
That crazy. Is that Jono's gift too?🤔
@@marybethkilmer174 Do you mean Bruno? If so, Bruno's gift is seeing the future, not past
@@queerdeificeeli985 nah, jono is the family therapist in this videao
@@elysp940 Oh, my bad! I'm new to the channel so I didn't know
Isn't that basically what "An Empath" does? Feel peoples pain and often helps the person going though that pain? Or am I making Empathic people out to be some sort of super hero? I might misunderstand the meaning "Empath"
This movie did something incredible and real by not having an antagonist. The characters were real. Their struggles were real.
i dunno ppl wanna kill abuela for being a "abuser" , i ve seen some f-ed up comments on other vids.
Technically Abuela was the antagonist (a character who actively works against the main characters belif) yet she isn't a villian (a character, -often the antagonist but not always- who means harm and hurts others within the story). So yes, she was the antagonist, but she never meant harm so she isnt a villan.
@@HisameArtwork That's more so unresolved anger at their own family members.
@@HisameArtwork Those people must have never had a Hispanic grandma. Abuela is pretty tame in comparison to some.
The idea of "antagonist" is flawed. Every serial killer is a protagonist in their own story.
“A broken family is a family in which any member must break herself into pieces to fit in. A whole family is one in which each member can bring her full self to the table knowing that she will always be both held and free.” ― Glennon Doyle.
I always think of this quote whenever I watch this movie.
😭😭😭 that just hits right in the feels right there
I have never heard of (read) this quote before just now and wow this is painfully accurate and yet beautifully described
@@marti2481 It's from Glennon Doyle's book Untamed, which I highly, highly recommend.
Oh gosh, that quote has me reaching for the Kleenexes! Thanks for sharing it.
Thanks, now I'm crying!
As an infertile couple, my husband and I often felt in our families that we never got to the adult stage, as others did by having children. I realized in this movie that Mirabelle couldn't leave the nursery because she didn't have her gift. That resonated!
I don't know if you need to hear any of this right now, but being and infertile couple doesn't make you invalid as adults. In fact it gives you a chance to help someone who is feling invalid themselves by adopting child (if you do want kids) you don't need a biological child to be a parent. You can reach that "adult stage" just like an other person, at it will be valid because a family isn't just genes (or a gift) it's the love.
@@matichagak548you don't need to have children, biological or adopted, to become an adult
@@isabelvenegas7000 I know you don't. I never meant to say that, though rereading what i wrote the end does come off that way, for that I'm sorry. at the moment of writing this I think I meant it in a way to assure the person who wrote this commetn, as (i suppose) she was linking having children to being 'real' adults. Of course, bwing an adult goes beyond that, thank you for alling my attention to what i wrote, that was misleading
@@matichagak548 sorry if i came off as a bit rude, it's just that i know a lot of people who where "milestone babies"(their parents didn't really want to be parents but that's what society says comes after marriage, so they did it) whose lives aren't great, so it's a bit of a touchy subject, but thank you for clarifying it and being kind about it
@@isabelvenegas7000 oh no, you weren't rude at all, it's totally fine
I love that they made Luisa so feminine despite being a buffed woman. This really breaks the stigma in pop culture that if you're a buffed lady, you are ought to be tomboyish - you dress like guy, act like a guy, your voice is deep, etc. I hope to see more characters with more 'realistic' features such as hers, not only in Disney, but in more animated films.
She is rather tomboyish since she's strong and tall and muscular and exercises with dumbbells, which is normally associated with men and with "masculine" women.
But still, it is clear that Luisa is female and has feminine traits and attributes.
@@Furienna you just given proof to what I said about the stigma of buff women are ought to be tomboyish lol. Like I said, even buff women can still be girly and enjoy feminine stuf like putting ribbons on their hair, wearing frilly skirts, etc.
@@angelserenade
(Pssst! Look into Sakura Oogami from Danganronpa. Ask any fan if we think she's 'best girl,' we usually do.)
My favorite part of the Hercules line is that in the original Greek myth, Hercules did not want to fight Cerberus so he brought him dog biscuits, picked him up, and carried him to Hades to ask for permission. A couple of different myths actually have people bringing honey coated biscuits into the underworld to avoid Cerberus, and the ones that didn’t were usually less successful. Turns out the dog of the underworld is still just a good boy.
There’s also the fact that Cerberus might mean spotted
There was also a myth where Cerberus was sung to sleep
He’s just a good boy
He's also the #1 Greek monster and he's how I got into Greek mythology
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@@girlwithamic8021 That's Orpheus.
One thing everyone forgets is he has a snake tail....no one ever remembers he a good boy and has a good little dancer noodle
It’s so refreshing how they don’t invalidate Isabela and her struggles with toxic perfectionism. I’ve seen so many people react to her character mockingly, rolling their eyes when she lashes out on Mirabel because they can’t empathize or understand how detrimental the expectations of being the golden child is. Thank you for defending her.
THIS! I’ve had fairly decent grades since I can remember, and my parents are happy about that. But every time exam season comes up, I just feel the pressure on me to do better than I did before, or at least maintain my scores. The fear of facing my parents with the look of disappointment on their faces SCARES me. I know I have it better than a lot of people, but I really don’t want people to undermine our issues as the “golden child” just because they’re not as serious! It is, very much, a thing!
At first I didn't like Isabela because she was so smug the way she pushed Mirabel to apologize "for ruining her life" (That was just mean!). But I relate so much with her because you get under all these expectations and somehow have to hide the things that people may not accept (even though they are ok and real) in order to present a certain way. And the sad thing is that Isabela found safety in that unhelpful behaviour. Abuela reinforced it. She got praised for being a certain way and it was scary/ risky to lose that by displeasing Abuela, even to the extent of marrying someone she didn't really care about.
Exactly! They don’t understand Isabela. I’ve been seen as the golden child in my family, i had AMAZING grades, i’ve always been polite, i always do everything to be on the same page with my family, i dress how they want me to, i talk how they want me to, i behave the way every parent wants their child to behave. I was the favorite of everyone for my “perfection”. With quarantine, i stoped being a straight-a student, and i started failing classes because of my laziness. I’ve seen the disappointment and anger in my parent’s eyes when they think about my grades. They think i don’t care, but it’s my biggest insecurity. I’m scared of being bad at something. You know, kids like playing, even if they are bad at a certain game. Well, me as a child, HATED playing football, why? well, i wasn’t the best at it, so i cried if someone wanted me to play. I was 12. And to this day, i still hate football, because i don’t have a chance of winning being the mvp of my team. It’s toxic perfectionism, but i can’t help it, i was raised to be the golden child. Isabela was too. I can 100% understand her.
Fun fact: My mom wanted to name me “Isabela”, but my grandma said that she would call me “chabelita” (which isn’t a great nickname) so my mom decided that she wouldn’t name me Isabela. It’s fun how I was going to be named Isabela, just like the character i relate the most.
I think i just opened with my feelings and insecurities with strangers… Maybe someday i can do it with my mom (which is the most strict between her and my dad), considering that in 4 days i’ll start with tests and my grades will be revealed (i know that i probably got the worst grades tho…)
update: well... I told my mom because my second day in exams week, I slept 3 hours, cried 1 before sleeping and idk, I started crying while picking my stuff before school, my mom saw me (my eyes were so puffy and red, omg), and had a talk with pressure and expectations. we are basically in the start, my mom told me I started crying (and getting dizzy, and almost vomiting) because I was nervous, that she would bring me to school, and if I felt bad after doing my exams, she would pick me up, I didn't felt the need of calling her (even though I still digged my nails into my hands) in school, I got a 6.5/10 in my Spanish exam, and an 7/10 for my final grade this trimester in Spanish, felt really bad but got a 10/10 in science (just my test) so... my mom didn't told me I was a failure this time, so yay! I think we did great, I guess. But I'm still waiting for my other grades. I don't think my mom would be getting me into therapy, but at least I got (half) of everything I wanted to tell her off my chest. Thanks, guys.
@@val3715 You aren't lazy for not getting good grades during quarantine. I speak from personal experience with being the "smart one" and how that will ruin your ability to excel.
I was praised for being the "smart one" all during my childhood. In the beginning, everything came easy. I was always ahead of my classmates, and often so far ahead of the curriculum that I rarely had anything to do in class and I struggled with none of it. Time passed, the work got harder until I started to struggle. But I couldn't go to anyone for help; I was supposed to be the smart one. I could let them see me being not smart; that would mean they'd think less of me.
Meanwhile, since everything had been so effortless for so long, I didn't have any of the skills one would need to persevere. So instead of facing up against things that were difficult, I avoided them. If the work wasn't easy enough, I just didn't do it. Better to be seen as smart but lazy than to be seen as not smart enough.
It took me years to get over not doing things I enjoyed because I wasn't great at them. Even still, I tend to shy away from things where I'm good, but not great, comparing myself to the top of the field and finding myself lacking.
I would very strongly suggest you find yourself a therapist or even just a support group. You've been the victim of toxic praise and the sooner you can talk to someone and work through how that has affected your view of the world and yourself, the sooner you can break through the barriers that hold you back.
_For anyone who got this far:_ Don't praise people for things that are inherent to them; praise them for the work they do to reach their goals or accomplishments, regardless of their success. If you praise a person for being smart, or strong, or pretty, that signals to them that those traits are what is important. However, if you praise them for working hard, or being kind, or for making a good try, then you are telling them that the what isn't as important as the how, and that total success isn't the only thing that has value.
@@AndaraBledin There's this book. It's called "Mindset: Changing the way you think to fulfill your potential" by Dr. Carol S. Dweck
PLEASE read this book. They way you feel is shared by millions, and this book explains it in full.
You can see where Isa is coming from. Her behaviour towards Mirabel, while not justified, is understandable. In Isa’s eyes, Mirabel isn’t bound by the expectations set by Abuela; she’s not forced to uphold this image and is allowed to be herself. Isa feels like she’s trapped inside this tiny box and can’t express who she really is, which is why she lashes out at Mirabel - she feels as though it isn’t fair that Mirabel can just… be herself without receiving backlash, while Isa has to hide all of her feelings to please the family. Mirabel doesn’t understand what it’s like to always have to be perfect, to be this pretty Princess that everyone looks up to. Mirabel isn’t forced to smile and wave and act all proper to make everyone else happy. She, in Isa’s perspective, is free to be comfortable in her own skin. But what Isa doesn’t understand is that Mirabel is treated as lesser BECAUSE she doesn’t have a gift that binds her to the rules of the family. She’s treated as an outcast, and despite the efforts of Julieta and Agustin, still feels inferior to everyone else, like she doesn’t matter. She’s left out of the family photo, she’s pushed aside to make room for others, she’s not allowed to help with the preparations. Because Mirabel doesn’t have a gift, she’s not treated like she belongs. Everyone kind of just… ignores her. Mirabel feels like no matter how hard she tries, no one is ever satisfied with her - they’re not proud of her, and they don’t see the efforts she puts in just to be heard. Mirabel is neglected, and even though her family doesn’t try to, they’re always cutting her out. She’s invisible, and it’s really hurting her. Isa and Mirabel are such real characters and their individual struggles are all valid.
Right, except that Mirabel wasn't left out of the family photo since she stayed away from it by her own choice.
I feel like She stayed out because of the main point about how she didnt feel like she belonged and was even more saddened by the fact they didnt even notice that she wasn't in the picture with them
This has nothing to do with the episode but I just love the way that Allen talks about Megan. He always starts by introducing her as producer or in the beauty and the best episode where he talks about her literature major before even going on about her being his wife. Because she is much more than just his wife. It's so subtle but I really love that.
"much more than JUST his wife"? wtf.
The implications of Isabella being able to create ANY KIND OF PLANT are incredible, especially in a completely agrarian society. She could feed everybody in that village forever. She could provide every type of wood or medicinal plant they need at the drop of a hat. She's basically a goddess with that kind of power. And just because she was pushed into that role of 'beautiful princess', she wasn't able to do something that would have helped everybody SO MUCH MORE than just her making beautiful flowers.
Where does the biomass come from? ;)
@@SpoonyBard88 from the same place all her flowers came from, its magic, she sure can turn air into solid matter no problem 🤷 science has no place in a house thats alive and intelligent
The problem I have for these things is that it's just a stereotype on plants. It's pointy? Always green Negative or boring and not as pretty. Then they get compared to flowers. Then people ignore the other plants, pick and over sell and genetically change flowers but then don't appreciate the actual benefits of flowers have. The diversity of plants are important too. Rose hips are high in vitamin c , flowers can be important, but so are the other plants. All of them balance each other out. Humans are the one who device the narrative of the two instead of understanding them both. Our symbolism has some misconceptions to them
omg you're so righhhtttttttttt 😱😱😱 I only just realized this... incredible...
All of that was Abuela's fault.
She was the one, who decided that her favorite granddaughter had to be a "perfect princess" for some reason.
Fun fact: Lin Manuel Miranda said he based Luisa’s song on his older sister, who also had a similar role in the family as the one to take responsibilities. So it’s kind of like a “sorry you had to go through that” apology song
FUN FACT? That nearly made me cry!
Wow that's... Rough, not so much of a "fun" fact
@@kage3069 fun fact! actually really really sad fact
I wonder which one he relates the most to
I really felt that song. As the eldest and from a dysfunctional family I always took on more because I felt that it was my responsibility.
Luisa's whole song is such a realistic depiction of the ''reliable kid". Like, I have an older brother, but I've always been the kid in my family that my mom depends on for everything. And it's like "I'm fully mid crisis right now, the entire world is crashing down on me, but I'm still going to catch you when you fall, I'm going to fix your glasses, all of this" Like, even when you're really struggling, you can't drop any of your responsibility
Then you fucked up once in your life, you are automatically tagged as worthless. I know how that definitely feels, sadly.😢
Whenever I hear "it didn't need to be perfect, it just needed to be" I break into tears, because my mother is a HUGE perfectionist and I always felt like I had to be perfect but would never be good enough. That hits so close to home.
Ok, let me tell you: The moment that the abuela entered when Isabela and Mirabel were hanging out you can see in Isabela's face the panic. She looks at her dress, she disappears the flowers (kind of like quickly cleaning a mess that made someone angry), put her head down and try to distance herself from the situation by getting away from Mirabel and from abuela (without completely going away because you know that in those situations that is the worse you can do). She probably was thinking something a long the lines of "I'm a mess, I made a mess, abuela is going to be mad at me" and "Mirabel, stop talking you are making the situation worse. Just shut up". It probably seems like a coward's act to not step up for her little sis while she is practically been attacked but I've been there and fear takes a hold of you. After that you probably feel like a hipocrite and a coward, specially as an older sibling, for not defending your little sibling and instead allowing them to take all the blame, then you think "they should have shut up and obey" and then you feel worse for thinking something like that whle knowing its not their fault.
I hate-love that scene because I see in Isabela so much of me everytime I'm i a situation like that. Her posture and her facial expressions are just too real.
Yo I notice families like that produce kids to be stool pigeons and cowardly, not a sense of unity.
It's absolutely a trauma response. Especially for an adult who is still living with her abuser. Fight and Flight aren't options, so Freeze and Fawn are the go-to for survival. She freezes/shells up, and internally is begging Mirabel to fawn/acquiesce/stop talking.
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 I kind of agree. You definetely feel awful and ashamed after doing something like that, you tell youself that "I should be strong for them", "I am older, I should have protect them", "its not fair, next time I will make things right"; but the moment a situation like that happens you stop thinking and immediately go into "obedient puppy" mode. You start to hate yourself after a while, but in my case at least the fear is just too much to handle. Its not like you don't love your siblings, because I know that for me my two siblings are the two people I love the most in this world, but you just get stuck. Its awful really, and it definetely leaves you feeling as a coward.
@@TrueRomancer04 Do you know any tips to stop going into freeze/fawn mode in a situation like that?
@@blackcat6374 From my experience, I distanced myself from that person who was making me react like that (my father) and it’s just taken time and distance to build confidence in myself to stand up rather than shut down. I sobbed through most of this movie because I related to Mirabel sooooo much.
I adored how in the "Bruno" song, Dolores is the only person who is empathetic towards Bruno, and other than Camilo, the only one to discuss him in the present tense. A hint that she heard him all along, and that he never REALLY left.
She literally said she heard him everyday in one of the songs so it’s really not a hint my guy 😭
Bruno is nodding along in the background, so you bet she knew.
At the beginning she also tells Mirabel that "The only one worrying about the cracks in the house is you... and the rats in the walls" 😂 (sorry if that's not word for word, I've only watched it in French so far)
That and Camilo singing that Bruno is friends with rats, is also a hint
that's why she's my favourite character : their gifts are a continuation of their personalities and she's not (only) hearing everything because she's spying on everyone, she hears everything because she listens to everyone
@@TheGabygael writers suggested her bedroom is soundproof, so she can get some relief from constantly hearing everyone. Which would explain why she doesn't hear everything, like Abuelas prayer
I think a lot of us are (understandably) projecting our abusers - in particular narcissistic abusers, seems to be the consensus - on Abuela; and since WE know most people who are *like* Abuela never actually apologize or grow, we're bitter about that, and resistant to the idea that she deserves her character/"redemption" arc.
Yeah, lots of people who can't forgive Abuela seem to have had a person who hurt them and never changed in their lives.
That is really sad, especially as they don't see why she turned out the way she did and that she was in pain too.
@@Furienna I don't think it's that they don't see why Abuela is the way she is. I think it's that, as you said, the people who hurt them never changed. Many people use their pain to justify passing it to others, and refuse to change. Understanding why someone hurts doesn't bring much comfort when they are hurting you.
@@Khadi-C But you can understand why they turned out the way they are and learn to not judge them.
Abuela's character apologizing is more unrealistic than a magical house!
@@360shadowmoon Maybe not, since it's clear that she had a shock when the Casita crumbled and the magic disappeared.
"I asked my Pedro for help..... Mirabel... he sent me you!" there will never be a time when that line and that scene will not get me. God, I LOVE this movie.
Mirabel's face when Abuela says "a gift just as special as you" to Antonio instantly breaks me. I am sobbing.
Honestly. Especially since Abuela had said that same line to Mirabel “Your gift will be just as special as you are.” (Paraphrasing) before her ceremony. You can tell it hit her hard.
@@cerisejaxel9636 That's the point! Abuela Alma says that to every 5 year old waiting for their Gift. It's even harder for Mirabel because she didn't get one. And all of a sudden, her cousin got one? I agree with Alan: "D**m you Disney, D**m you."
I felt that on a personal level
I think the cactus stands for unconventional beauty. She calls it “not perfect but beautiful”
It’s also a very robust plant. And I think Isabella finds that she is a lot more robust than she thought she was. That’s why the cactus represents her true self. Beautiful, strong and yes, prickly
I think it's also telling that the spines of the cactus are a defence mechanism. They're protective. The cactus is beautiful and also safe from harm.
I love that as a perfectionist, her response to the cactus is not "i made this imperfect thing" but "what else can I do"
@@felixhenson9926 I think it’s more than just being safe from harm. Cacti defend themselves, something Isabella wasn’t able to do before. She went along with other people wanted, but now she is going to express what she wants.
It’s also the fact that she’s showing her thorns, like, roses are pretty and delicate yes, but roses also have thorns, but they’re hidden under the rose - you’ll notice that throughout the movie you only see Isabelle creating buds and blooms, not the rest of the stem. The cactus (in my interpretation) was her realising (Or accepting) that she has thorns and embracing them as a part of her, the part of her that was hidden under the rose.
Plus, cactus are pretty strong plants, not just when it comes to self defense and impacts, but also in survival, while many pretty donesticated flowers, like roses, are so fragile to the slithest threat that before modern agriculture some were valued enough for their stealing and vadalization to be worth long prison time. She's finally showing she's a god's woman, not just a glass ornament
The first time I watched the movie, “Waiting On A Miracle” resonated with me so much; I’m 22 and I’ve been seeing all my friends go to college, getting married, getting apartments and starting their lives but for me I’m still figuring things out but can’t help feeling like I’m stuck, even asking “When is it my turn?” Mirabel’s journey reminded me that even though I haven’t accomplished grand things, I’m still worthy of love and compassion and can chose to show that love and empathy back towards the people in my life. Mirabel is who she is meant to be, and so am I. ❤
Same here❤
Hey, for what it's worth, I'm 29 and just getting started. There's no need to rush, and other people's lives aren't as perfect as they seem (as Encanto shows us). Also, there are more paths in life than the standard "go to college, get married, have kids". If you want that life, that's great, but if not, that's also great. At 29, I feel grateful I am not married or a parent because I feel like it would make this stage of my life harder than necessary. You'll get to where you want in due time.
I understand that feeling. My younger sister moved out and got married at 20 and is about to be graduating college, meanwhile I'm 25 with no degree and was just able to get my first apartment. It can be hard when you've got other people around you doing the things you feel like you should be doing and you start to feel left behind, but I promise that you'll find your way. As hard as it can be sometimes, try not to compare your journey to theirs, because you're one of a kind and no one else's path will be able to fulfill you the way that finding and following your own path can.
I don’t know if this will help, but I didn’t go to college until 38.
College, marriage, all that stuff doesn’t make you who you are.
13:09 as on older sister who basically had to raise my little sister (changing her diapers when I was only a year older than her, making sure she ate when our parents forgot) this song never fails to make me sob. The first time I heard it I had to fully pause my life and have like an hour long cry. Hits far too close to home.
Mhm, I relate to this a lot, As an older sister that had to raise my brother when my parents couldn’t, like putting him to bed, taking him outside, feeding him, changing his diapers, that song actually made me bawl my eyes out for an entire 30 minutes.
A friend of mine discussed how all the Madrigal family "gifts" are expressions of different types of generational trauma responses (Pepa's weather control = mood swings; Dolores' super-hearing = hyper-vigilance; Luisa's strength = trying to be "the strong one"; etc.). I'd love to see you do a movie on that theme!
Pepa can also be bottling up your emotions to please everyone around you, people pointing up your sadness and not the source.
Camilo being identity issues.
And the whole “gifts” things being an allegory, for both gifted and ungifted children.
I havent thought of it that way before. 😳🤯😭
Yes I've heard about it on a Instagram video. I was thinking about that after watching the movie for the 3rd time. Mirabel is the cycle breaker a.k.a the black sheep of the family (which is me but also Luisa but broken)
I think Delores' thing is actually being the listener specifically
Bruno tells brutal truth and people shun him because they don’t want to hear it. Juliet is tasked with healing and taking care of others. Camilo must shapeshift and change who he is to appease. Isabel must only show beauty and perfect things and hide her more wild plants.
The only real “villain” or antagonist in this movie is trauma itself and our inability to address it and heal as best we can. Augustine sings about Mirabel taking after Julieta and that moment showed me how much she takes after both of them. Mirabel has always had her gift. She has acute insight and compassion into other peoples pain. She can see what people need to hear and she says it and as we see with her sisters it makes a world of difference. Augustine can see what hurts others emotionally and does his best to help even if he sometimes struggles to get through to others. Julieta struggles with Mirabel’s pain because her gift only heals physical hurt. She tries desperately to protect Mirabel from the pains she can’t heal but is unsure how to help the pain already there. Luisa and Isabella are also hurting but it’s not as easily identifiable as Abuela being hard on Mirabel and gets overlooked. Anyway I really love this movie and it makes me cry every time I watch it so I’m going to go now. 😭
Exactly right
Just like your inner demons striking again because of negative thoughts trauma bad experience and etc
I think you have fabulous insight! Thank you! I am grateful for your gifts!!!
The real villain are those 4 horsemen who killed Abuelo.
Well, Alma IS the antagonist. She's just not a villain.
She's the way she is because of her trauma sure, but she's still emotionally abusive to everyone without realizing it.
One important thing to note is how Mirabel listens to and give a safe space to her loved ones when they've needed it the most.
Another thing is that, while Alma cares, it's HOW she's expressed her care for the family. Her method of care means everyone has to be quiet and compliant.
Id also like to emphasize how in Luisa’s song she says “I’m pretty sure I’m worthless if I can’t be of service” and that really gives you the whole dynamic of the family (for lack of a better word) and it really shows what she’s feeling and how abuela really makes everyone feel
I work waiting tables in a restaurant and I keep singing Luisa’s song in my head.
That's how I definitely feel everyday 😅
Dolores is a character who gets forgotten about quite a lot. Imagine being the reluctant keeper of everyone's secrets. She heard Luisa's eye twitching all night - did anyone wonder if SHE got any sleep? She refers to Bruno in the present tense and is the only one who does that, no one wonders why? She could hear him in the walls, the result of all the pain inflicted on him by her own family. She knows he's there, says nothing. She whispers even when she sings, everything is too loud for her, she's permanently overwhelmed, then she's labled a gossip for the things she can't keep to herself? Do you punish the kettle for letting out steam when it boils?! The only time she raises her voice a tiny bit is when her gift has faded, and she seems so relieved. Imagine being burdened by everyone else's curses and never being able to switch off. She never asked for this, she didn't establish herself as the family gossip, she grew into it despite herself. I really wish more people saw Dolores for what she is. You think you want to know everything until you do, and it eats you alive.
Film Theory: Dolores BROKE The Magic! (Disney Encanto) th-cam.com/video/Xz2oowy5JxY/w-d-xo.html
I found part of Dolores' struggles oddly relatable as a person with autism and ADHD. My brain can't filter stimuli as well as most other people, can't distinguish important from unimportant stimuli well, so most of the time everything I see and hear and feel just rushes at me like a firehose that I can't turn off. I'm pretty sure that my eyes and ears and my sense of touch aren't that much more sensitive than those of other people, but my brain just doesn't filter all that information out.
A good analogy I often use is the fact that technically your nose is always in full view of your eyes whenever your eyes are open. It's always there, it's never *not* there, but you're never aware of it (except for now because I just mentioned it haha). Now imagine that your brain isn't able to filter out your nose from your view.
What I experience is that whenever something moves or changes anywhere in my vision, especially in my peripheral vision, I notice it. Whenever there's a difference between the ground beneath my left foot and my right foot, I notice it. Whenever there's a sound, either continuous or incidental, I'm aware of it. And it's not just the awareness, it drains energy.
The whole reason that brains usually filter all that stuff out is because it costs energy that could be better spent elsewhere. But I sometimes feel cursed to "waste" that energy on stimuli that I don't need, that are not important, that don't matter. Train stations and grocery stores are intensely overwhelming for me and I'm just exhausted when I get back home. I practically live with my ANC headphones on all day every day just to be able to function without getting my attention pulled away by unimportant stimuli, just to be able to focus on anything without getting aggravated and frustrated because I can hear the water running through the pipes in the walls and I can't turn it off.
Granted, it definitely has its benefits, absolutely. There are things I can do that most others can't, because I'm the only one who noticed everything. I can see patterns that others can't because my brain has collected more data. But those are the kinds of benefits you would pretty much only mention in a "hey, it's not *all* bad" context. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love those benefits and I'm grateful for them, but knowing that you can't "cure" sensory processing issues like these often feels like I'm just cursed to be stuck with them my whole life. You can absolutely learn to manage it, but it will always need managing and it'll never truly be easy.
@@MerelvandenHurk I have ADHD too, I hear everything all the time, so I can't hear anything. I'm hearing impaired although nothing is wrong with my hearing - I can't concentrate on anyone, so I can't hear what they're saying. I relate to Dolores in that way, too.
@@DestructionGlitter I hear you! I'm glad that people like us can find some sort of representation in characters like Dolores 😊 Now all we need is representation of actually autistic or ADHD people who are identified as such and who aren't the main focus of a show but just "there".
@@MerelvandenHurk amen to that
To answer your question: yes, you should do an episode about Bruno. Heck, each character is worthy of an episide. I am in awe of how much was packed into an animated feature film. It was deep, traumatic, and joyous. It had everything and I wouldn't hesitate to say that it may be the best mkvie Disney (or any studio) has ever made.
Yes, please! Bruno's choice to leave to protect Mirabel really moved me, and I wpuld love to see a therapist's take on it
Oh yes an episode on each character and maybe on on the lesser characters that don't get so much screen time like Pepa and Dolores.
I support this!!!!
A deeper take on every character would be amazing.
From war generation trauma to how to build better communities through healthy accountability by all. I'd love if the Bruno vid would speak about how much the community leaning too hard on the family as a whole.
Bruuuuuuuuuuuno! I love him so much.
I think a fact that adds so much more depth to abuela's story is the fact that this is the reality of a lot of people in Colombia because of the guerrillas and armed conflict. They represent soooo many people and it is so incredibly sad. I love Encanto it's such amazing representation
ALSO the yellow butterfly is a reference to Gabriel Garcia Marquez! A very important colombian author
The "I will never be good enough for you" line makes me cry every time.. I can handle everything else but that line just hits hard
Yup, me too...and the part where Antonio says, "I need you." Gets me every.single.time.
Yeah that one hit way too close to home for me. It's how I feel with my parents, doesn't help that they often compare me to other people who in their eyes are doing better than me. It really stings.
Yeah, it hits hard for me too. Throughout my adult life, no matter how nice people are about it, I've often felt like people are trying to push me into a solution that fits their mental framework of what a solution is to put me on a track they want me to be on and in the process, it undermines their display of sympathy, making it feel like they are only being nice to get me to do what they want and don't actually care to understand what I'm going through and how truly worn down I am.
What gets me is when Mirabel realises it's not just her, but EVERBODY in the family will never be enough.
Honestly, most people didn't think much of this movie when the trailer came out (myself included). Man, did this movie hit home for a lot of people. It's so nice seeing a lot of media that emphasize emotional intelligence, family structures and mental health awareness. Movies like Inside Out, Soul and Encanto are so important for people of all ages.
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i remember when trailers first started coming out i skipped them and didn't bother paying attention to them at all. i wish i had given it more of a chance at the beginning, but thankfully i did and i love it now
The last few Disney films were not well advertised and didn't really reflect the magic that the movies had. I think whoever had been in advertizing needs a different job or a refresher on how to sell things
tbf tho, after raya my expectations with disney studio film's couldn't get lower
Encanto tho, just went above and beyond
it was on pair with pixar's coco/ soul/ inside out
if not better
I feel like we didn't really get a lot from the trailers for this. I had NO CLUE what the movie was actually about until I watched it. And it's BEAUTIFUL. The trailers seemed to be "Hey look! We made another cultural movie and LIN MANUEL MIRANDA did the music!" Classic Disney move, but really unfortunate. I feel like this would have done better when it came out if there were better trailers.
I think Isabala's main issue with Mirabel isn't so much "she's annoying and in the way all the time", though that certainly happens sometimes. I think it's more "Everyone expects everything from me, and here's my sister who is 100% free of expectation, boy that must be nice." They each see the other as being the lucky one who has everything. I'm the younger sister who was never good enough for my dad, so I relate to Mirabel, but my sister relates to Isabala because she always had to be the responsible one. She was the favored child but that came with a LOT of strings attached that I just didn't see as a kid so always resented her. Thankfully our relationship has come a long way and we're besties now.
There was actually a deleted scene that kind of explains why they have a rocky relationship. The deleted scene was when Isabella before had a boyfriend and Mirabel told on her. I think this is why she doesnt like Mirabel, she snitches. Since its a deleted scene it doesnt have to be cannon, but that could be it.
@@rivaul3649 that seems kinda OOC to me tbh. i would expect dolores to be the snitch, not mirabel.
that's me and my sister also
@@ReiAnikaAyanami must be why they nixed it
@@ReiAnikaAyanami Dolores is good at keeping secrets she hid Bruno away from everyone. She only told in the movie because she didn’t want Isabela with Mariano
Sadly, most Hispanic families are this demanding and expecting this much from each member to help the family grow and stau together. This movie hit home for me. Kids cannot be kids because they are expected to do their part in this well oiled machine. Got PTSD flash backs from my childhood when I watched this.
"most Hispanic families are this demanding and expecting this much"
I'm not sure I agree with this. There are definitely certain behaviors and expectations more common in Latino households, particularly when it comes to a domineering matriarch and family members having a role to fulfill. But I did not find in my own family (including my cousins) the "kids cannot be kids" aspect of your statement. Nor have I really witnessed that very much among friends' families growing up. Perhaps there is a generational or geographic aspect to this (my family is Salvadoran and we grew up surrounded by Mexican Americans and Tejanos; perhaps there's just a cultural difference of which I'm ignorant).
@@lelandunruh7896 I was a migrant worker with other migrant families, as well as my own cousins, family members. This was the norm and you didnt have a choice.I worked and so have every Hispanic child I grew up since we were 8 or 9. We worked to help support the family help pay for bills. Every. Single. Family. I knew. It really was rare to see Mexican family not have their kids act like adult. Glad you grew up that way but it really isn't the norm. Specially in very low income households. In fact, Mexico has a huge child labor issue. About 3.5 million children are working due to poverty. Which the life I had.
@@bellanoche4945 Interesting, so there's a huge class component here. But if I may gently push back, you're almost certainly wrong here: "Glad you grew up that way but it really isn't the norm." My upbringing, in a working-class and lower-middle-class world, is the norm for Hispanic families--if we're defining "Hispanic" formally; if what you meant was "Latin American families outside of the USA" then I take your word for it. My brother lives in Mexico and married into a working-class family there, and this sort of thing is certainly on display there quite a lot. But that specific issue isn't unique in any way to poor people in Mexico or Latin America, that's the norm in virtually every developing country on the planet.
@@lelandunruh7896 that's true. This video is however, certainly about the pressure of Latino families placed on their children and the overwhelming expectations. That being said, Mexico is indeed a 3rd world country which leads back to my point that, yes, im correct in describing my childhood as child laborer that robbed me of the joys of being a child. The vast difference in social classes is abysmal and saying no to your Padres meant, you disobeyed and disrespected them. Because indeed, family is first.
@@bellanoche4945 that's horrible. If I were you I'd tell them I would hope to see them all in deepest pits of hell as soon as I was 18 and get the hell out of that home. Having to work is already horrible but not trying to give your kids even the smallest chance to be a kid? Yeah screw that.
I like how Mirabel kind of grows during Isabella’s song. It becomes actually forming a connection with each other and understanding her instead of just a superficial make up hug.
Yeah, that is what needed to happen.
It wouldn't have counted if they had hugged without having reconciled.
Because her gift is kindness and empathy 😭💖
This film absolutely broke me. I am a 1st generation immigrant from a Colombian family who left to escape the cartel violence in the 80's. I always disliked seeing people online criticizing Abuela because I have seen firsthand what it is like having family members who have experienced this degree of trauma and reckoning with it's lasting effects. People too often seem to conflate any kind of trauma but it is a spectrum. The fact that Abuela raised such a wonderful family is a miracle in and of itself.
Did the same to me for different reasons as I'm a first generation American who's father was legally removed before I was old enough to even remember BECAUSE of dumb decisions made through pride, machismo, and the cartels. This movie being the closest thing I have to experiencing the culture and family I had stolen from me on top of the interpersonal connections to individual characters.
Right? I’ve been so frustrated to see the hate. I may not have that trauma myself, but I have enough empathy to realize Abuela was genuinely trying her best and needed therapy, not to be villainized. Especially because she learned from her mistakes.
@@rachelhansen2417 Exactly. 100% she carries blame, it just always upsets me that it seems like most people would rather ostracize someone than try to help them based on their response to Abuela
@@rachelhansen2417 I'm not going to say that Abuela is "the villain," but I'm interested in how you think she learned from her mistakes. Her apologizing to Mirabel and the whole "you're the miracle" line with a hug tacked on at the end doesn't show squat. It's a one-off action and that's not evidence of real change. Real change takes time, as CinemaTherapy has said in other videos of theirs. It's good that she apologized, but it doesn't fix things. It doesn't mean she won't slip back to treating Mirabel (or other family members) like sh*t. Trust in her will take a hell of a lot of time to rebuild. Certainly more than just a closing song.
@@kateworkman921 You are meant to infer that she is dedicated to lasting change. Just as you are meant to infer lasting changes with each of the characters at the end of the film. Because Disney did not want to add another 30 minutes of therapy montage after the climax had been reached and crisis resolved. Also, if you notice, the house was not rebuilt in a day and the last song likely spanned several weeks/months.
I also love how everyone's "gifts" are basically their trauma responses.
Abuela's Encanto is her closing off emotionally to not get hurt again
Bruno's Visions are him trying to read/predict people to prevent trouble (which is impossible mostly, which is why his intention fall short)
Pepa is always trying to be a ray of sunshine to not worry abuela
Julieta is trying to heal everyone's hurt
Luisa is always holding strong
Isabel is always perfect
Camilo is always changing who he is depending on who he's with as to not cause waves (or maybe he doesn't want to stand out and stay out of the way)
Dolores always listens to peoples problems
Antonio can understand those that the rest of society doesn't (Mirabel)
And Mirabel symbolized the need to stop closing and open up again. To accept help cause you can't fix it all on your own
Beautifully written!
Ironically that's precisely what make it the Colombian "X-Men" ha ha. In that comic the trauma responses trigger a gene which mutates a human being into being able to deal with that trauma.
I think that the gifts also correlate to what the people needed at the time. When the encanto was first created, they needed a way to care for everyone so Julieta was given the ability to heal the sick/injured, Pepa was given the ability to control weather maybe so she could help grow crops and such, and Bruno was able to warn and prepare for potential disasters in the future, ect. Maybe Mirabel didn't get a gift because everyone had everything they needed at that time. I think it's really cool how it can go both ways -- the filmmakers clearly put a lot of thought into it.
That's amazing! Good job for noticing that! 😁
So does that make Mirbel Abuela's gift? in a way
I think that Mirabel’s talent is empathy and connecting emotionally to people. Mirabel meaning “able to see blessings” and she’s able to see the great things in people.
One thing I really like about the Dos Oruguitas scene is the contrast between the first version of Pedro's death we saw, where Abuela bowing down to the ground is portrayed almost like she's praying, with none of the reality of grief behind it, and this version where she is screaming in anguish, on her knees weeping because that's the shape her body is being wrenched into by the incredible pain she's feeling. I don't think it would've been quite as effective if we hadn't seen that first version first, so we could see the contrast of the story being told by someone who wasn't born yet vs the story being told by someone who lived it. I always appreciate a solid depiction of grief.
Something that always stood out to me is how Mirabel has no issue at all seeing how Felix and her dad are important contributers to the family, even though neither of them has a gift either. It shows that she does not inherently think gift > no gift or that only a gift makes you worthy of praise or inclusion, this is a criticism she has only towards herself because she was "supposed to have one". And if this double standard is not relatable idk what is
edit: just to add quickly, of course this is not a double standard that Mirabel herself created, but rather the whole town (- maybe her Mom)
Idk… Mirabel 100% acknowledges them but throughout the movie I don’t see abuela interacting with them much, other than to yell at Agustine. Their wives mostly interact with them and they obviously love them but like Camilo makes fun of his dad, mirabel rolls her eyes at how accident prone hers is (almost reflecting the same attitude abuela has towards her “some people need to stay out of the way and not try to help” and we see her dad covered in bee stings literally three seconds after Isabella said the same thing to Mirabel) and even Pepa and Julieta get annoyed at their husbands (not as though happy couples aren’t allowed to be annoyed)…weirdly enough I think the attitude towards those two would have been similar to Mariano, where abuela just views him as “a chance to have many strong children and continue the miracle” i wonder if she’s like neutral to them because they’re just like “the husbands”
@@shorttbone4193 I absolutely agree with you, I do think that there is a very noticeable... I guess you could call it elitist attitude from the blood-madrigals towards them. I should probably restate the "gift > no gift" part in that regard. I do still hold on the aspect of being included though, e.g. they're both mentioned in the song (be it on a side note) and participate in the infamous family picture. And I don't think Mirabel personally ever thought of them as not being good enough to be included, even if they aren't as helpful as "the gifted ones" (ignoring the fact that Abuela also does not have a gift), but she does think that of herself even though she's trying very hard to hide/change it
I agree, but i think she also "creates" this somehow, the same way we sometimes overcriticize ourselves and than after we support and find the value of imperfections in friends and people we love.
@@like-a-linda7058 I see what you mean… maybe it’s because of the elitist mindset they’re held to a lower standard where Mirabel is a “blood” madrigal without a gift so she is seen as a failure
@@shorttbone4193 Yeah, that portrayal of the husbands was weird. It became more uncomfortable when other members of the family would consider them and others like them as nuisances. I really didn't see moments where the wives supported their husbands, or when the husbands supported their wives for non-magical related issues. The only moment that broke it was when her father started defending her at abuela.
One of my favorite details from Surface Pressure is when she sings "Line up the dominoes a light wind blows you try to stop the tumbling but on and on it goes" in the visuals the "light wind" is actually a tornado, demonstrating how she's downplaying the severity of the things that cause her to break down.
I never noticed that! Ty for pointing it out
Wow, this opens up a whole new perspective for me
Thx for posting this
Also the doors are like from monsters inc!
It's actually my favorite song in the movie 😊
I really love the bit where Isabel has just made the cactus and she starts realising what it means and singing and mirabel tries to hug her and falls because it’s like a representation of the fact that she still isn’t quite understanding the point (the point of the cactus), she still isn’t quite realising the sacrifices that Isabel has made/the struggles that she has been keeping in. The imagery and the meaning behind the characters’ movements and what happens to them is so subtle but full of meaning. It’s lovely
"I don't have a lot of gifts"
Jono, I remember you telling us about a letter that you wrote to your mother when you were 6, about being heard. Do you know many 6 year olds that can look at a hurt relationship, and respond not in anger, but in love? That is a wonderful talent. You can see into these relationships and pick out the love that is there and bring it to the surface. That is beautiful, and valuable. Not many people have that ability. You are a beautiful, valuable and talented person and you need to love yourself more.
Also, shoutout to whoever edits these things. I've always loved the quick clips to lines from other films that perfectly add to the moment [kronk: riiiiiight]. or calling out Alan on his 2 Emmys. Thank you for what you add to these videos. I see you, and I love you.
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I like how it shows how offended Isabella gets by being called “selfish”. Mirabel doesn’t realize at first that her whole like she had been being selfless and being the exact person Abuela wants her to be. It seems silly at first for her to say “I’ve been stuck being perfect”, but much pain comes with ignoring your true self, even if that true self has a problem with certain things. Even people who don’t consider themselves perfect or pretty can fall under this pressure for everything to be a specific way rather than following the natural flow of life. The lyrics “what could I do I knew it didn’t need to be perfect, it just needed to be me, and they’d let me be” make me very emotional because it really hits home.
Yeah, it's a very powerful song, if it was just about beauty a lot of people wouldn't relate, but being perfect doesn't have to be about being pretty, it could be about the way you act, getting good grades, having a great job, etc. All of these songs are very relatable, not because we need to have the same issue, but because they talk about feelings that everyone has sometime or another, I love this movie
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It always made me feel sad whenever I see someone hating Isabella. It makes me hate myself more because she's the one I relate to the most.
I didn't start out liking Isabela because she's cruel to Mirabel. Most of the family exhibits a benign neglect of Mirabel, but Isa is actually mean to her. But the way she and Mirabel grow closer during her song is inspiring.
Mirabel: But it's awesome to see how you rise
Isabel: How far can I rise?
Both: Through the roof, to the skies
I really liked Isabella songs too, I felt so bad for her thinking that part of her perfection is to carry on the family line too. She was really going to marry this guy and have 5 kids because it was expected of her 😔
Isa was gonna marry someone she doesn’t even like “for the family”-I think that speaks loud enough for her. I love her so much and her song here always help me.
Why does no one ever point out that Luisa carrying donkeys, beasts of BURDEN, symbolizes her carrying everyone's burdens. 😭😭
Maybe it's like duh, but ugh. Love her.
I never knew that
The same way I never heard anyone talking about the cracks Bruno was repairing. It’s like when you finally see the cracks in the outside, the inside has already being cracking for a long time. The damage was already there, but first we try to fix it by ourselves and even when we think we did it and feel better, the scars are there and it’s easier to crack again.
I'm glad your pointed it out because I never realized that connection.
I didn't think of that till you pointed it out
They're so cute tho 🌘w🌘
This movie in general got me into the feels. The fact that the mere short clips featured in this vid caused genuine tears to me shows how powerful a message can be if portrayed right. Family trauma and perfectionism is now becoming a common theme in Disney productions and I am glad.
In general, family trauma-themed television is becoming so prevalent as more and more millennials and gen z are growing up with the tools to heal our intergenerational trauma and break toxic cycles that existed for generations. I’m so here for it! If you haven’t already please watch Everything Everywhere All At Once, Russian Doll, and The Haunting of Hill House. They all touch on this in such creative ways and I ended up crying at some point during all lol 😢 even older titles like Cloud Atlas and Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt get it.
I noticed a small detail. Alma says "I don't know why you weren't given a gift, but it's not an excuse to hurt this family" she DOESN'T say that Mirabel not having a gift is what's outright causing the miracle to die. In fact, the way she phrases it implies that as far as she's concerned they aren't connected. She's still in the wrong, and what she's saying is still bad, but I feel like it shows that even in that moment she still cares about her granddaughter. She was just too scared to show it properly.
Fun fact: Stephanie Beatriz was in active labor while recording Waiting on a Miracle. She didn't tell the producers because she 'didn't want to freak anyone out'. I can only imagine how hard it must have been to sing in this state but I bet that it plays heavily into how she was able to convey such amazing emotion in the song (in addition to the already amazing score and lyrics).
@@irmar I believe 'active labour' means actually the process of giving birth, like the beginning of it. So it's quite a challenge, both physically and emotionally.
@@ue9r6 active labour is different. Most people are only in it for a few hours at most. It's when your contractions start to pick up, your pain increases drastically and for some, their water breaks. It's extremely painful because your body is trying to force itself to give birth by giving you horrible pain. Once you hit active labour you know you are gonna give birth soon. She was legit hours away from giving birth while she was in the studio.
No offence to you of course, but that sounds fake. Can you please put a source?
@@laraschroeder5195 it was in a Billboard article. If you google the song title and “actress labor” you’ll find it quick.
How funny. She sang waiting on a miracle while waiting on a miracle🤭 cute
One thing that just hit me watching this is Mirabel meeting Bruno is how she was able to realize her problem wasn't that she wasn't gifted. Because Bruno _was_ gifted and he still got slotted into the same Black Sheep role that she was.
This (along with what she finds out about her sisters' inner turmoil) is what helps her see that the problem is systemic. It's the family dynamic at large that's broken, the thing that _makes_ Madrigals into either golden children (Isabella) or scapegoats (Bruno and Mirabel).
EDIT: I'm not commenting on Abuela's role in things because, while I have my own thoughts on it, there's a layer of nuance and metaphor here regarding generational trauma involving immigration and displacement that I don't think I'm qualified to speak to, since it's not something I'm personally familiar with.
That said, having a different kind of generational trauma in my own family, I will say it's never an excuse for, nor does it absolve you of treating your loved ones badly. Honestly I think a better ending for both Abuela and the rest of the family was if she had left for a while to get her shit together.
Stephanie did such a great job as Mirabel, I'm just used to her being a cynical cop on Brooklyn 911 she has so much range
The problem is the grandmother's blindness to the effect of her own actions. The family dynamic is the same after the problem is solved. I think calling it "systemic" detracts from the personal responsibility of the grandmother. It isn't that she "is" the head of the household that is the problem, it's her actions "as" the head of the household.
The family dynamic argument makes it incredibly hard for anyone to be personally responsible for anything. That idea allowed me to think that it wasn't all my former step-moms fault I was getting abused for the littlest things by her. Also, the entire movie shows how that everyone except Abuela is willing to admit the problems they see going on around them. It is not until she admits she has a perfection problem that the family was able to heal after being released from her way of thinking.
I think the problem boils down to Encanto being a Disney movie that needs to neatly wrap up the movie with a nice clean 'happily ever after' ending after the dramatic climax. Fixing the sort of damage we see in the Madrigal family just doesn't happen after some empathy, a single conversation, and a promise to do better. That's a very good start, but there's still a long and difficult healing process ahead of everyone.
@@chengarqordath And that long and difficult healing process can easily be imagined to happen after the end of the film. The movie may end when the credits role but that doesn't mean it has to end in our imaginations. You said it's a very good start, and that's just it many "endings" are just "new beginnings" So I see it as they have started down the path of healing by the end of the film.
I love how Alan gets emotional for so many movies 😂 Bless this man. I think I'm bad for crying at stuff in movies. This makes me feel less embarrassed about it 😊
It actually seems like the house is like an embodiment of Mirabel; she's always trying to help, always there for the rest of her family. The first big crack in the floor is between her and everyone else, like she just split from her family. And at the end, the door handle for the new house has an M on it, and it comes alive when she touches it. Everyone's rooms are kind of an embodiment of each of them, so the house seems to be the same for Mirabel.
I would like to say something. Whenever Dolores squeaks, it means she heard something she wasn't supposed to. This is because the people in Columbia developed a way to communicate short ideas without speaking. Also, I'd like to point out that the Casita made the space where Bruno was living in the walls.
How did the people in Columbia develop a way to communicate short ideas without speaking? Honestly would love to understand.
@@biancavillalobos9252 I’ve been told it was because of war and such, like they came up with codes so the enemies couldn’t hear and it just stuck in the culture. Not sure if it’s entirely accurate but it would make sense.
@@toxicsugarart2103 that what I learned too.
This is such a good representation of how easily families fall out when everyone's just trying to do their best
Indeed, I appreciated that there was no twist villain, unless you count Abeula as an antagonist, but even then, she's just doing what she thinks is best for her family.
Right? As a mother myself, as well as a member of a toxic family system, the thought of me “doing my best” possibly resulting in toxicity scares me (since you “do what you know,” and part of what I know is toxic). But I think a really important aspect to having a healthy family system is asking questions and checking in, and actually listening. Which are difficult skills, but I think if our family can build those skills early on and make it something we do routinely, a lot of this can be avoided or at least minimized. That is my hope, anyway!
Case in point: House of Gucci, which I'd also love Cinema Therapy to review
Absolutely especially families who are seen as community leaders. Chimanda Ngozi Adichie's book Purple Hibiscus has a line I'll paraphrase. "We are responsible for feeding the town. They are grateful for our food and we are grateful for them." Without ruining anything the person saying this is um.... not great. But it underlines this story and the film. Nobody is helped if we don't share accountability and workloads honestly. Families tear each other to shreds trying to maintain what they think the world expects of them.
You two are so tender. It makes you both wonderful and this channel delightful. Thank you for your authenticity.
Thanks! Glad you enjoy the channel. :)
What can they say except: you're welcome🎶
No but for real I'm really thankful, too :)
“Meanwhile, I’m going to be weeping loudly” 😅 Alan’s existence is so valuable to me! I don’t have a lot of guys in my life right now, and when I did they hung on to one form of toxic masculinity.
Its nice to see dudes just being real. Alan and Jono must be such great dads
Luisa's song speaks so much to her compassion, too. how she protects her fragile little sister from being crushed, destroyed, and mutilated. It makes me think of the pressures on moms and a kind of toxic femininity - every action is an immense act of heroism, and she's supposed to do it while looking beautiful and smiling and with endless compassion the whole time.
Pretending to be frail, feminine and compliant while in practice running everything
@@katarinawikholm5873 When we all know "feminine" doesn't mean "frail" one bit!
As well as the idea that the eldest siblings must protect the younger siblings at whatever personal cost in itself is another pressure they feel, and puts them in danger throughout the music number.
Latin girls do this to them a lot, it's almost instinctive to become a second mother to younger siblings (sometimes older too)
Omg I’m really feeling so much pressure right now being pregnant and not having enough help from my husband, I’m scared of how much imma have to deal with having a baby and working and cleaning. I’m so scared
Rarely talk about in this movie is the moment when Agustín (Mirabel's father) confronts Abuela and says "I was thinking of my daughter"... That line absolutely broke me bc my parents never ever confronted my family when they said something off about me, because "they are family, and they love you, and mean no harm". Yeah, that might be true but that doesn't mean family can say anything hurtful and be inmediately forgiven.
My dad tells me that a lot when I tell him that’s the reason why I distanced myself from his side of the family. It was either “they love you” “they know you’re my daughter so they love and just want what’s best”. he rarely if ever stood up for my brother or me. It’s something I’m still talking to my therapist about.
Yes. You can acknowledge that someone is just doing the best they know how, and still say "hey, you're actually not helping, back off!"
I’m glad you brought this up! I’m going to defend my family more! It’s important that we have each other’s back!
Yeah, and you’ll notice the minute Abuela snaps back at them, the floor tiles rattle. It’s a hint about who’s really compromising the stability of the Casita.
@@bellasara65 I'm so happy this helped! I'm sure your family will notice and be really grateful for you having their back ❤️
"I will never be good enough for you, no matter how hard I try" was the sentence that broke me. I said the exact same words to my mother a few years ago. The realization hits really hard, and it may take years to recover from growing up this way.
My favorite moment in the movie is when the second go around of Mirabels door fading, Abuelita keeps her eyes on Mirabel, not the door, not the candle, but Mirabel.
I just want to point out that during the argument, Abuela tells Mirabel “I don’t know what you weren’t given a gift, but it doesn’t give you the right to hurt this family!” THIS family. Not your family or our family. That whole scene is heartbreaking, but hearing Abuela say that line makes my blood boil.
I also want to add how much Abuela isolates Mirabel from the family too. There’s a lot of more obvious moments in the film, but one more subtle one is the scene mentioned above. Abuela is standing with the family behind her on one side while Mirabel is alone on the other side.
I didnt notice that detail of her saying "this" family. Taking a step back that is extremely hurtful.
Welp! That was hurtfull af.
Wtf.
Dude, that is a mistranslation. In spanish esta familia is not really excluding people its showing her anger.
@@trowawayacc wasnt the movie english?
@@trowawayacc the movie is in english
And also, during the songs, Mirabel is tossed around a lot, but it shows elements of the characters who are tossing her. Luisa is incredibly gentle with her, usually only tossing her out of the way of impending danger and then helping her up or fixing her glasses because Luisa is a protector. Camilo is also very gentle with her like when he sets her down during "We Don't Talk about Bruno" he is very careful with her because he's a very gentle person. Isabela is a lot less gentle with her, which is not to say that she's an awful person, it just shows how little she is expected to look after others. She's also the only person in the movie to purposefully (minorly) injure Mirabel.
I like this except for one thing. Isa's sequence was less her not being expected to take care of anyone and more that she was finally being given permission to not be what she thought everyone was expecting her to be.
I'd say probably because they've been at odds with each other their whole lives and have more of a traditional bickering sibling dynamic than her and Luisa, who sees herself as the caretaker, per her song. I mean it's not like we know Camillo as someone who is expected to look after people.
@@icantthinkofanything798 - Camilo is shown to take care of a baby during the first song. He’s a shapeshifter, so he’s expected to be whatever people need in the moment, which would most likely include protecting and nurturing.
Isabela is not used to taking care of people that's true. But there are two moments where you can see that she actually cares, and they are both during her song. First when she is at the top of the tree and she helps Mirabel up and says "careful, it's carnivorous". Then when she hugs Mira, and that is such a big sister hug. As a big sister myself I can say I have had some trouble with my younger brother and we fought a lot, but there was still this care, this gentleness that comes when you least expect it, and it goes unnoticed sometimes. I think it's also interesting that while Isa is perfect she makes roses and flores de mayo which are very delicate and "cute" flowers, but Isa herself is bitter and sharp towards Mirabel. But when she starts being herself and making cacti, which are obviously sharp, she is gentler and softer with her sister.
@@biancaalves6143 i dont think being perfect is isa's gift. Her gift us plants. But she looks like a younger abuela so abuela, and by extention Juillieta and pepa, thought isabella was "perfect". Abuela wants to make isabella into a mini her and recreat the life she had with pedro.
I relate so much to Luisa, maybe not physically but certainly mentally. I don't do a lot of labor like she does, but I feel like everyone around me is always falling apart and I'm responsible for keeping them together. My mom cries almost every day, my boyfriend has a whole host of mental issues, and my dad is usually out of the house. It just makes me wish I had more problems so that someone would take care of *me.*
Oh shit "makes me wish I had more problems so that someone would take care of me". That hits hard. I'm disabled, but my disabilities are "invisible" and not severe enough that they get noticed all the time. So I sometimes wish something horrible would happen to me so people would actually realize that I need help and so I would feel worthy of that help. But I know I am worthy of it. And so are you. It's just hard.
@@anneblackwood9013 It really is hard. I hope you get the help and the love you need and deserve, and that things get better for you
@@withercat1801 Same to you 🫂
Mirabelle has so many gifts though. She sings, dances, designs and creates. Sewing, painting, drawing, making clothes and candles and paper holders and works SO hard in the home.
Her gift? Being the 'ordinary miracle.'
Her door? The front door.
This movie also works really well as a disability narrative. As a disabled person I relate to Mirabel on a very visceral level. She can't do all the things everyone else can, and she doesn't need to. She's herself and that's enough.
Amen!
Same for me because I have ASD but I also identify me with Isabela because I'm the eldest daughter
I have chronic pain, and I can’t work for more than four hours on good days (at least physical jobs) and half the year I live in my bed from achy bones and muscles, to over sensitivity especially in my nerves along my skin. I relate to all the young women of the group (despite being non-binary) in someway or another
"Waiting on a Miracle" got me - I have cerebral palsy, and it took me until I was 27 to get past "Don't be upset or mad at all.." about the limitations I do have.
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"Isabella's out of control"
In that moment she was in control of her life for the first time ever, but she's out of Abuela's control. That's what was bothering Olma, but she didn't fully realize that. She was hurting the family, but not on purpose. She did it because of her own trauma. I believe that's why she can't really be called a villian.
She's not a villain and never was. She was, however, the antagonist; her need for control and the presentation of power and perfection causing her to act against Mirabel's needs.
Alma** lol
@@allurajane4979 sorry
@@justsomeferalminor "Alma" means "soul". The names are not subtle at all haha
@@Zzmora but the story telling is so it's fine.
I remember the first time I watched Encanto, the Surface Pressure song came on and jokingly (but also truthfully) my husband turns to me and says 'hey it's a song about you'. I just burst into tears and he felt so bad but I felt so seen.
I also wanted to say that one of the interpretations I have of Isabela making a cactus is that it can't be held easily. It can't be touched without care, or plucked to put in a vase for it only to die shortly after. It really is something that needs to be planted or potted. There's a lot of layers and symbolism in that, I really love it.
And finally, thanks for your vulnerability in these videos, it helps us so much.
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"[He's] got a lot of gifts."
"Not worthwhile ones."
Oh, hey, look. It's that conversation I have with people ALL THE FREAKING TIME.
I related so much to Pepa. She is not allowed to feel what she feels. Every time she feels sad or worried it shows and she's admonished. "Pepa you have a cloud!" And pointing it out constantly makes her more worried about not feeling happy all the time. As soon as she starts feeling anything but happiness she makes herself only show happiness again; "clear skies, clear skies."
She can't help her emotions, but telling her to reign it in doesn't make them go away, it makes her spiral into more sadness or anger, and then everyone gets more annoyed at her.
Some of my family members kept telling me to not be so angry or grumpy, even when I just was feeling neutral and not really showing any emotion, but that remark made me feel annoyed and grumpy. Like. I wasn't angry at all. But if I was it wasn't acceptable either. Just look like you're happy, just smile, just pretend. I've been working on not feeling like I have to hide what I feel, because it doesn't stay hidden, it comes out stronger later on.
What I love though is her husband never tells her these things. That even though there was a hurricane on their wedding day because she was so upset, he thinks it was a joyous day, he loves her as she is. Also how insync they are during the Bruno song, he is poised ready to go when she starts telling her Bruno story, they are a long married couple they know each others stories and he's there to back her up.
This comment is everything I missed on the video
There’s a scene at the end where her and Felix are dancing under a snow (or hail) cloud. I see it as her accepting her emotions rather than suppressing them all the time
She looks so proud of herself when she says "It was my wedding day and there wasn't a cloud in the sky" but it's so sad when you think about the fact that at the end of the movie, it was still raining even though she was clearly happy as she danced in it, meaning she wasn't even allowed to be excited or even overly _happy_ on her _wedding day_ otherwise everyone, including her own mother, would have been upset with her.
It's part of why I like Felix and Pepa's relationship so much because he doesn't scold her for having a cloud or anything, if anything the most he does is tell her that her hurricane is messing up the flowers, but that's the only time he has an even remotely negative response if I remember correctly
What scares me is that I have a bit of a combination of all the characters. Oh boy, that's a handful of trauma I wasn't ready to unpack yet. But this seems very common issue for girls. We aren't suppressed the same way boys are with emotions but we aren't allowed to express being angry or sad. Anything unlady like. Also, feel like this is also a generational thing. I didn't see this issue as much with my peers but because I raised by my grandparents this was totally a thing for me.
We didn't talk about Bruno, or Pepa...yes we need more episodes on this one. By the way, great job guys! You never disappoint!
Agreed! I was so suprised they didn't include anything about the song We Don't Talk About Bruno or anything on Pepa
Yes, please talk about Pepa! As a person who suffers from anxiety I'd love some perspective on how her gift is effected by her mood and how her family reacts to her.
You know why?
Cause
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT BRUNO NO NO NO
I'm so sorry- it was a void that needed to be filled.
@@laughsingay LOL! 🤣🤣 I forgive you. That song lives rent free in my head!
Agreed!!
Y’know, when I first watched this movie, I didn’t cry. I mean i dont really cry in general. But recently, my mom and I had a fight. Where a lot of stuff came to light. About how she treated me and how the stuff she told me and made me feel for my whole life has affected. Reliving my trauma with her and she bawled to me, saying she was so sorry, that she tried to make me strong, by trying to make me tough with forgetting my problems and never paying attention to them, dismissing them and me basically. We worked a lot of stuff out and she got me a therapist because of how much stuff I have. Watching the end, hit me so much harder. It reminded me of the fight and I’m glad we had it. Cause now I’m starting to realize my worth. Thank you cinema therapy.
Every time I see Mirabel look down and see that Bruno has drawn a plate with his name on it because he loves his family and never wanted to leave it it makes me tear up.
As a disabled person, Mirabel was soooo relatable as a metaphor for how disabled people are treated. I've watched this several times over already and it makes me cry every. goddamn. time.
I've never thought about it, but now that you mentioned it, it makes perfect sense.
Daaamn💭 You just blew my brain😶.
Right? This is my exact thoughts. I'm blind, had more vision growing up but was still very visually impaired. That scene where Abuela is telling her to let people better capable handle things hurt my heart. I've said before that I don't think they intended it to be a metaphor of disability, but it still is.
yeah! thats the first thing i thought of actually, specially when abuela was talking down to her as if shes phisically incapable of helping with any preparations
Agreed, Mirabel really resonates with me. I tried so hard for long to keep up with what I "should do", but my disabilities make that impossible. I'm still working on the idea that not being able to do some very "basic" things, does not make me lesser than.
Luisa: tired of all the pressure to literally do all the heavy lifting
Isabella: tired of always having to be perfect
Camilo: too busy being everyone else he never gets the chance to be himself
Peppa: has uncontrolled emotions because she’s forced to bottle things in and just be happy
Antonio: dealing with the pressure of proceeding Mirabel so most likely isolated himself with animals since they always accept you for who you are
Julietta: always fixing other peoples issues and has no time to fix her own
Camilo regresses into his baby self a few times when under stress, poor boy
Dolores seems like her problem was her love rather than her gift
Dolores: so busy listening to everyone around her that she never gets to speak up herself (until the ending)
@@sara.j.w never thought about it like that 🤔
@@sindrevangenrobberstad2889 her problem was that she could hear everything, she also has a gossiping habit, but the fact that she even gossips with everything that she hears most of the time, she probably goes into her room for some peace and quiet maybe...
When Mirabel said "I will never be good enough for you". Actually cracked me (and probably many others). We've all been there. Where, you try your best and you are yourself.. Yet it is set aside and not remembered? Idk.
Encanto is one of those movies that need a 2nd watch- because once you watch it, you realize that the second time whenever the bonds of family ties weaken, the miracle wavers: cracks form and the gifts weaken. Antonio’s birthday when he got his gift was when the cracks wavered because it was such a huge reminder to Mirabel what she never got- the stres of Antonio’s gift ceremony was finally the pushing point for the miracle as that’s when Abuela/Alma was a bit more pushy for perfection
I really loved Mirabela's parents. Despite everything, they clearly love their daughter, and Julieta is doing everything she can to protect her.
Personally the worst thing I think Abuela did in the movie was surrounding when Mirabel is listening to her outside the window, because Abuela acknowledges she knows something is wrong and she does in fact believe Mirabel saw the cracks. That means she blatantly gaslights Mirabel in front of everyone at the party, which I thought was pretty awful.
I also thought it was interesting how the story she tells Mirabel at the begining compares to the real story. The story she tells shows the candle coming out of love and forming casita, while the flashback shows the candle flaring up at Abuela's grief and rage, and shows it raising the mountains. Based on what we see of the surrounding and Bruno's comment about the mountains, it seems like Abuela's grief literally trapped them all and cut them off from the rest of the world. It isn't until Mirabel confronts her and the rcok splits that they're able to break free of the walls Abuela built.
Agustin, too. When Abuela Alma chastises him for not thinking of the family, he says "I was thinking of MY DAUGHTER". I love that so much.
Admittedly he's not quite as helpful when trying to console Mirabel about being "un-special", but he's clearly trying, so points to him for that.
Abuela did that because of the townfolks. She kept repeating the phrase "Our magic is strong" either because she wanted to calm them down or to keep up the facade of the strong family. I'm not saying that it was right thing to do (she could've at least talked with Mirabel after the party), just trying to explain the motivation.
For me, the first scene with preparations for Antonio's gift reveal hit much more. It wasn't really that bad overall, but we know this is just one example of many in whole Mirabel's life. She was always not good enough, not doing things right, and even if Abuela tried to be gentle, she would still break her up with every word she ever spoke to Mirabel.
"Trapped" in this context is just another word for "protected"... That is the brilliance of the story, that everything can be seen from at least two sides, so real. I like the approach of describing Abuela rather than judging her--because she represents something powerful and good in our lives, the influence of earlier generations that has brought us to where we are, while still acknowledging that we have to grow beyond that place, that it's unhealthy to cling to it. Encanto is what a story ought to be because we can discuss forever the symbolism but however you understand it, the story rings true.
Which was because Abuela wouldn’t let herself grieve so she trapped not only herself but also her whole family in her grief.
I'd also like to point out that she, like Luisa, kept building this facade of perfection around herself, and not just her family. From gaslighting Mirabel at the party to the flashback, we can see she became very good over the years at hiding any weakness, or cracks- and honestly I have to say I can relate- I'm the oldest sister in my family, and both of my older siblings moved out early which left me as practically the oldest with a seven year gap between me and the next child. I was taught very early in life that weakness shouldn't be shown, any grief can be held in for later, and I need to be an example for not just my siblings, but my parents. I downplay any negative emotions, when my dog I had for twelve years died I just smiled and told the kids it'd be okay, we'd get another dog, and whenever bad news comes it's my responsibility to laugh it off and provide a distraction. So honestly, I hate Abuela a little less because I understand, and I understand that her story didn't justify her actions, rather, they explained them and made forgiveness easier.
I loved that Isabela made cacti and succulents when she stopped being 'perfect.' Roses are a universally beautiful flower, often considered the epitome of beauty and love (each color representing a different form of love in many flower languages). Roses are also spikey, though usually pruned spineless like Isabela who was acting perfect, removing her thorns in a way. When she finally accepts herself and shows her true bold colors, she makes plants that are often more spike than anything else. You can't remove the thorns of a cactus without others noticing. Cacti and other succulents are beautiful in a non-traditional way. I love the symbolism :)
Cacti are called SUCCULENTS???
XD
And cacti flowers are so beautiful too!
@@Ramsey276one yes! Because they absorb water as they are desert plants. Cacti are apart of the succulent family :D
@@dinofeino1811 in spanish it means DELICIOUS
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Personally, I found Isabella's power underwhelming when she was only growing flowers and thought her power was overhyped despite flowers being versatile too. Also the all pink color scheme was hurting my eyes too.
Adding on to how Isabella sees Mirabel, she also sees her as someone free of the pressure of having to be perfect and as someone who isn't grateful for what she has/doesn't have. Also, is there any chance that you could do the Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie sometime? It is an incredible movie with incredible themes and character you an analyze as well as incredible cinematography and sound effects. I genuinely think that you would enjoy seeing and analyzing it.
Wanna know something funny, Leo and Mikey are opposite ends of the spectrum
Leo has issues with seeing beyond himself due to his insecurities and Mikey siffers from youngest child syndrome in which he has to fix everything because if he can't fix it then it's his fault and even if he does fix it he don't care if he neglects himself
It's not about me, that line has haunted Mikey long before Leo
The other external issue is that the people in the Encanto are now highly co-dependant on the Madrigal gifts, they go to the Madrigals for every little thing they could be doing for their selves.
Also Do they need a doctor when Julietta heals you by feeding you? do they need to moderate and consider health and safety? 'hey this is dangerous I could hurt myself- Well Julietta Madrigal will just heal me so no big deal.
do they need builders when Luisa picks up entire buildings/ structures and moves them around and can bump them back into place?. or the guy with the donkeys that keep escaping- rather than check the fence and the lock to keep them in- Luisa can get them.
things like this make people lazy and foster unhealthy co-dependence that is detrimental to both sides. What will they do when a madrigal dies?
like Julietta no longer healing, but they don't have a doctor.
It is never fully explained in the movie, but we must remember that they were cut off from the rest of the world for fifty years.
So it hardly was strange that such a co-dependence evolved (even though I would presume that most of the villagers had jobs too).
But now that the mountain is opened up, it is not the same anymore.
It's probably why the villagers didn't like Bruno. His gift didn't make their lives easier, it was warning them of future problems which they would have to fix or accept for themselves.
The lyric Felix sings, "no clouds allowed in the sky", sums up the family's entire conflict and the pressure ( well-meaning) placed on it by Abuela.
It describes the Toxic Perfectionism.
And the idea that if there were clouds, that it's somehow Peppa's FAULT and her "Responsibility" to fix. Peppa and Isabella should have a cup of tea together and chat.
Yeah it’s pretty cool the word play, “Allowed” not ‘no clouds are in the sky’
Also the line "abuela gets the umbrella." Specifiyng that abuela is the one to grab an umbrella emphasizes how she had no faith in Pepa. She didn't attempt to console Pepa, she just assumed things would go downhill and was resigned to it.
I just adore Isabella, and I appreciate that they trusted people to "get" her without some huge show of contrition. Prickly is a great word for her through the film, and I get the feeling that even a happy Isabella has a sharp personality. I love that as her anger rises her flowers move from pastel to deep purple, I love the way she looks surprised, disgusted, and intrigued by the cactus. I think the cactus is meant to signify her tapping into emotions she's been repressing, but more than that I think it manifests at that moment because she finally let herself voice what *she* wanted. When you're used to sacrificing your own desires as a matter of course, acknowledging what you want and verbalizing it for others can be incredibly uncomfortable or even painful. As she explores this new concept of being allowed to feel and to want, her colors intensify before she switches to what I imagine to be more indigenous species of plants, indicating that she's finally doing what comes naturally to her instead of "forcing" roses. I love that the person she wants to be is sharp, wild, colorful, and joyful. I appreciated the way she shrinks into the background as Abuela arrives, because she's found what she wants but she hasn't had time to muster the courage to fight for it yet.
I love your analysis, and I totally agree! When the Internet dads asked “I wonder what the cactus represents?”, I said out loud “Her _anger._ The anger she’s never been allowed to express, because it’s a messy emotion.”
The writers are literally amazing. I am so happy that they thank the writers and acknowledge the writers. I'm a writer myself and so often in the best TV shows, the best movies the writers getting none of the credit. Even though the only reason the movie/show is good to begin with is because of the writing. Because of the dialogue, because of the story, because of the characters. You can have the best actors, the best special effects, but if the story is terrible, the movie is terrible. Take the new Star Wars movies for example. Bad writing that relies solely on special effects and brand recognition and it shows. Look at game of thrones bad writing destroyed that whole franchise Martin won't even release the last book because the backlash was so bad. The writing is what makes or breaks a show/movie. There have been some really low budget TV shows and movies and even animated shows/movies that do not have a big budget at all but because the writing is so good they're beloved.
This is beautifully written, thank you for this gem🦋
@@WhitneyDahlin Twilight is a good example
Also how in We Don't Talk About Bruno, she talks about the prophesy that her powers would grow, which seems wildly out of place in a song about how his prophesies supposedly ruined their lives. That is, until you realize that for her, her power growing is a *threat*, because her having the potential to do more only increases the already crippling expectations that she has to meet
A little tidbit that wasn't mentioned in this video: Mirabel's song Waiting on a Miracle is in a different time signature from the rest of the songs in the movie. The other songs are in 4/4 "common" time, while Waiting on a Miracle is in 3/4 like a waltz. She's quite literally dancing to her own beat and is "out of sync" with the rest of her family.
This movie has so much depth to every aspect of it. One of my favorite movies of all time.
Oh that's a lovely detail, thank you for pointing it out!