I too have been missing your videos. They have helped me so much along my own CNC conversion journey. Thanks for digging into the setup and testing of these drives. Although they don't fit my application I did get some good information.
I have ordered similar NEMA 23 Closed Loop Steppers with HBS57 Drivers (ACT Motor). Thank you very much for your experience and explanations in the video.
Franco, thanks so much for posting. I have been looking all over for where to find the programming software and an explanation of how to use it. Very helpful! Regards, Steve
Thanks again for posting. I have the Longs config software up and running and have cables similar to what you are using. I loaded the driver for windows 10 that came with the smart cable. The red led comes on, but I am unable to connect to the Longs software. Any suggestions? Regards, Steve
I have 4 of these... but another Chinese company SS570, I use my CNC for 3D Printing, they are getting too hot and start to skip steps or something, so that at some moment the Y is shifted - some steps and sometimes + some steps... I don't know exactly what's happening, but I can't print for too long, or big objects... Is there an option that can make them colder?
Glad to see you back! great video, i'm getting to pull the trigger buying motors , Your opinion whats best value for the money for the PM-25MV? asking cause i don't want to be disappointed when i get them, you have any extra motors you would sell?
I think I already responded to this on another video you commented on, right? Either way, you probably want motors that are more powerful than these for that mill. Let me know if you didn't see the like in my other response. Thx.
Hi franco can you post the pinout for the db-9 (rs-232) to rj-26 cable please. I have found no less than 5 different pinout diagrams and none have worked for the HBS57H. I am hoping this cable will. The 3 pins on the db9 should be 2,3 and 5 , its the rj-26 connector pins that are a nightmare.
I need a little help... I tried using an HBS57 drive to be controlled with a parallel port interface and I didn't succeed. I did several tests using another controller via USB, I tested the card with another driver, all worked. so everything indicates that the problem is controlling the HBS57 drive using a card with a parallel port if you can help me with any ideas I would appreciate it
Hey Franco, How do the dip switches correspond to the frequency input? I'm using a 200us delay between pulse high and pulse low connected to a HSB860H Servo Drive. I know the factory sets these with 2,3 &4 sw on and the rest off. I don't have any alarms on and the Motor locks the moment I turn on my MCU. I've checked the wiring and everything is correct but the motor won't turn. Is it really important to have the SW settings right to make the motor turn? It's not under any load and all voltages are correct. I have PUL+, DIR+ and EN+ connected to the MCU with the EN+ LOW, DIR+ HIGH/LOW and PUL+ to Pulse Pin sending 200us pulse. But not sure if the dip switch settings are correct and I can't find any documentation to set them because it's a Chinese off brand. Can you give me any insight to how these dip switches work? I thought they just set the motor type, (6) and Direction (5) and SW1, SW2, SW3 & SW4 are for the Steps per pulse.
Ah what happened to the video you uploaded yesterday? Not sure if you saw my comment. I’m planning on ordering these motors for the sherline 18” ball screw mill on the 5th of December. I realize I’m going to need different couplers but was wondering if you had any objections to using these on the sherline mill. Seems like they are better then sherlines high torque steppers after looking at the numbers.
Hi. Other than the couplers (Sherline seems to like 1/4" and these motors are 8mm) I think this will work great. I believe there motors are a perfect fit for a machine such as the Sherline.
Franco awesome thanx. One more question sorry. As far as everything goes, this package plus Mach 3=go time? I really suck with electrical components. Will probably build a basic box. Any wiring tips and tricks you could throw in would be super appreciated.
Hi. Mach3 (or any step & direction based CNC system) doesn't really care or know the difference between a closed loop or open loop stepper system. The software just outputs the step pulses and the direction signal and assumes everything is good. The closed loop driver uses the encoder in the motor to "guarantee" the instructions are executed correctly. Regarding your second question, you must use the motor that is designed to work with that driver. If there is no encoder feedback to the driver, it will alarm out.
hello franco, thanks for your published video. would you be kind to tell me the wiring diagram of the serial port connection and rj connector? thank you very much. best regards from italy.
Hello. I hope you are doing well over there. Follow this link - I think you will find what you need in there: www.dropbox.com/home/HBS860H%20Closed%20Loop%20Driver?preview=HBS-90-8.2_Driver_Data_Sheet.pdf
Hey I'm using an acorn with these drivers. I wired the alarm to input 6 on acorn and ran the other end to a common on acorn. When it alarms 24 volts goes though the driver (normally open). Everything works as it should when i unplug the encoder and move the axis the driver alarms, and acorn goes into alarm. However, when i plug the encoder back in and manually move the axis the driver doesn't alarm but my acorn goes into alarm saying drive fault. Any ideas why this would happen? Thanks!
Hi. Usually, these alarm circuits are wired up to a normally closed input on the acorn. The idea is that you can "daisy chain" all of your drive alarm outputs in series. As long as things are good, the chain is closed and the normally closed input on the acorn is happy. If any of the drives in the chain alarm out (open) the chain will be broken and the alarm on the acorn will be triggered. I hope this helps.
@@FrancoCNC Thanks Franco, I understand now. I ordered the same calibration cable you have in your video but unfortunately the no name eBay hbs57 doesn't connect to the software. I tried using the software in your video, and another I found on mecheltron for the hbs57. Any suggestions?
I have a hbs86h driver but I want to use a spare 8nm closed loop motor I have from rattmmotor is. There any way I can set the driver up to work with the motor, the specs are identical to the hss86 driver which is what I’m using for my machine, this is for a rotary axis I’m making tested them as is and they don’t like each other at moment so any info would help otherwise I’ll just have to buy another matching driver or motor cheers.
I have always wondered what is the correct micro stepping for the encoder, to get a 1:1 ratio? I seem to get 4000 micro steps for a 1000 point encoder?
@@FrancoCNC Excellent! I'd like to ask you for one more thing, I hope you know to answer. Let's say I set the micros stepping to 4000 p/r, I would assume that the driver can't compensate position errors on the fly, since the very moment it detects that the drive is "behind" is when it has skipped a micro step? The question is, do these controllers have a tolerance margin on the encoder detection that gives it room to compensate before an error/alarm trickers?
@@Mr_Wh1 They do. There are parameters that govern how the drive compensates for error and how much tolerance they have before they generate an alarm. Even the big expensive commercial CNC machines work this way.
@@FrancoCNC It makes sense. I guess the manufacturer have programed some reasonable compromises/ middle grounds, or I will have to get one of those rs-cables and set it myself. Thank you.
I contacted Sherline to ask them about making me couplers for those motors shafts, and they said they could, but then wrote me another email telling me that these motors in the video would be too powerful in the event I crash the machine… Any thoughts on that? A reply would be greatly appreciated as I was set on buying those motors. Thank you
Also they said it was because they had to beef up the machine for their 1.35nm 2a high torque motors. And that all looked good minus the 4 amp holding torque on the longs motors. I can’t afford their set up although the neat and tidy little package is appealing. That just puts me back another 400 and I had to beg the wife to let me spend another 500 already lol.
@@durangotang1681 Hi. On eBay, you can buy a 1.1nm version of this motor along with the HBS57 driver. That would probably work just fine. For me, I'm happy with the bigger motors but I can see the wisdom in their advice to you.
Franco awesome. Thank you much for the responses. I’ll be ordering everything tomorrow. Decided it looks like I can just bore out the couplings myself on the lathe. Furthermore when I “hearted” the motors on eBay it gave me a 10% off coupon which saves me another 43 bux on them. Super stoked to finally be getting into cnc. Thank you for all your help.
It's more about not missing any steps. You can have the best closed loop motors in the world and still have backlash in the mechanical system they are driving.
Hello Franco, What type of control board and free software do you recomend To go along with this driver ans servo motor. It's for my chinese workbee. Many thanks.
I too have been missing your videos. They have helped me so much along my own CNC conversion journey. Thanks for digging into the setup and testing of these drives. Although they don't fit my application I did get some good information.
Awesome! Thanks.
I have ordered similar NEMA 23 Closed Loop Steppers with HBS57 Drivers (ACT Motor). Thank you very much for your experience and explanations in the video.
Franco, thanks so much for posting. I have been looking all over for where to find the programming software and an explanation of how to use it. Very helpful! Regards, Steve
You encourage me to give it a go. Much appreciated, thanks
One of my UPS came with a USB to Ethernet cable; I'll have to check the pinout. Thank you for the inspiration; I ended up buying one of these.
you are so lucky because you have found a working step servo driver with a working configuration software. all of markets are invaded by fake items..
what did you mean by fake items?
Good work. Learning about stepper motors. Found very helpful. I'm from India.
goodnight! I really enjoy watching your videos, we help a lot with your knowledge!
Excellent presentation. Cool cat, too.
Great Video really enjoyed it
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Thanks again for posting. I have the Longs config software up and running and have cables similar to what you are using. I loaded the driver for windows 10 that came with the smart cable. The red led comes on, but I am unable to connect to the Longs software. Any suggestions? Regards, Steve
Great video
Hi !can you run the driver as a open loop without the encoder being connected ?
Thank you
I have 4 of these... but another Chinese company SS570, I use my CNC for 3D Printing, they are getting too hot and start to skip steps or something, so that at some moment the Y is shifted - some steps and sometimes + some steps... I don't know exactly what's happening, but I can't print for too long, or big objects...
Is there an option that can make them colder?
Glad to see you back! great video, i'm getting to pull the trigger buying motors , Your opinion whats best value for the money for the PM-25MV? asking cause i don't want to be disappointed when i get them, you have any extra motors you would sell?
I think I already responded to this on another video you commented on, right? Either way, you probably want motors that are more powerful than these for that mill. Let me know if you didn't see the like in my other response. Thx.
Hi franco can you post the pinout for the db-9 (rs-232) to rj-26 cable please.
I have found no less than 5 different pinout diagrams and none have worked for the HBS57H.
I am hoping this cable will.
The 3 pins on the db9 should be 2,3 and 5 , its the rj-26 connector pins that are a nightmare.
i have a same problem with HBS57H. Did u find a solution?
@@abyrvalg4838 no.
It seems something has changed with one of the cables as both are RS232 Female.
I need a little help... I tried using an HBS57 drive to be controlled with a parallel port interface and I didn't succeed. I did several tests using another controller via USB, I tested the card with another driver, all worked. so everything indicates that the problem is controlling the HBS57 drive using a card with a parallel port if you can help me with any ideas I would appreciate it
Love the cat, i got 4
Thanks. Cats are cool.
Hey Franco, How do the dip switches correspond to the frequency input? I'm using a 200us delay between pulse high and pulse low connected to a HSB860H Servo Drive. I know the factory sets these with 2,3 &4 sw on and the rest off. I don't have any alarms on and the Motor locks the moment I turn on my MCU. I've checked the wiring and everything is correct but the motor won't turn. Is it really important to have the SW settings right to make the motor turn? It's not under any load and all voltages are correct. I have PUL+, DIR+ and EN+ connected to the MCU with the EN+ LOW, DIR+ HIGH/LOW and PUL+ to Pulse Pin sending 200us pulse. But not sure if the dip switch settings are correct and I can't find any documentation to set them because it's a Chinese off brand. Can you give me any insight to how these dip switches work? I thought they just set the motor type, (6) and Direction (5) and SW1, SW2, SW3 & SW4 are for the Steps per pulse.
This may help: www.dropbox.com/sh/a3g4dw71q4taxsd/AAARblbK4GKL5zXj8Yzfr8VHa?dl=0
Ah what happened to the video you uploaded yesterday? Not sure if you saw my comment. I’m planning on ordering these motors for the sherline 18” ball screw mill on the 5th of December. I realize I’m going to need different couplers but was wondering if you had any objections to using these on the sherline mill. Seems like they are better then sherlines high torque steppers after looking at the numbers.
Hi. Other than the couplers (Sherline seems to like 1/4" and these motors are 8mm) I think this will work great. I believe there motors are a perfect fit for a machine such as the Sherline.
Franco awesome thanx. One more question sorry. As far as everything goes, this package plus Mach 3=go time? I really suck with electrical components. Will probably build a basic box. Any wiring tips and tricks you could throw in would be super appreciated.
@@durangotang1681 Hi. I have lots of videos on that subject. Here is an example: th-cam.com/video/5D7px0r0pUE/w-d-xo.html
thanks very much ! do you need to do anything extra to mach3 to run closed loop? could you run non closed loop motors from this driver ?
Hi. Mach3 (or any step & direction based CNC system) doesn't really care or know the difference between a closed loop or open loop stepper system. The software just outputs the step pulses and the direction signal and assumes everything is good. The closed loop driver uses the encoder in the motor to "guarantee" the instructions are executed correctly. Regarding your second question, you must use the motor that is designed to work with that driver. If there is no encoder feedback to the driver, it will alarm out.
@@FrancoCNC thanks very much
hello franco, thanks for your published video.
would you be kind to tell me the wiring diagram of the serial port connection and rj connector?
thank you very much.
best regards from italy.
Hello. I hope you are doing well over there. Follow this link - I think you will find what you need in there: www.dropbox.com/home/HBS860H%20Closed%20Loop%20Driver?preview=HBS-90-8.2_Driver_Data_Sheet.pdf
Hey I'm using an acorn with these drivers. I wired the alarm to input 6 on acorn and ran the other end to a common on acorn. When it alarms 24 volts goes though the driver (normally open). Everything works as it should when i unplug the encoder and move the axis the driver alarms, and acorn goes into alarm. However, when i plug the encoder back in and manually move the axis the driver doesn't alarm but my acorn goes into alarm saying drive fault. Any ideas why this would happen? Thanks!
Hi. Usually, these alarm circuits are wired up to a normally closed input on the acorn. The idea is that you can "daisy chain" all of your drive alarm outputs in series. As long as things are good, the chain is closed and the normally closed input on the acorn is happy. If any of the drives in the chain alarm out (open) the chain will be broken and the alarm on the acorn will be triggered. I hope this helps.
@@FrancoCNC Thanks Franco, I understand now. I ordered the same calibration cable you have in your video but unfortunately the no name eBay hbs57 doesn't connect to the software. I tried using the software in your video, and another I found on mecheltron for the hbs57. Any suggestions?
I have a hbs86h driver but I want to use a spare 8nm closed loop motor I have from rattmmotor is. There any way I can set the driver up to work with the motor, the specs are identical to the hss86 driver which is what I’m using for my machine, this is for a rotary axis I’m making tested them as is and they don’t like each other at moment so any info would help otherwise I’ll just have to buy another matching driver or motor cheers.
My guess is you probably won't be able to make that combination work.
Franco got it to work, turns out I had to reverse polarity on A encoder wires, works a treat thanks
I have always wondered what is the correct micro stepping for the encoder, to get a 1:1 ratio? I seem to get 4000 micro steps for a 1000 point encoder?
A 1000 line quadrature encoder will make 4000 pulses per revolution.
@@FrancoCNC Excellent! I'd like to ask you for one more thing, I hope you know to answer.
Let's say I set the micros stepping to 4000 p/r, I would assume that the driver can't compensate position errors on the fly, since the very moment it detects that the drive is "behind" is when it has skipped a micro step?
The question is, do these controllers have a tolerance margin on the encoder detection that gives it room to compensate before an error/alarm trickers?
@@Mr_Wh1 They do. There are parameters that govern how the drive compensates for error and how much tolerance they have before they generate an alarm. Even the big expensive commercial CNC machines work this way.
@@FrancoCNC It makes sense. I guess the manufacturer have programed some reasonable compromises/ middle grounds, or I will have to get one of those rs-cables and set it myself. Thank you.
I contacted Sherline to ask them about making me couplers for those motors shafts, and they said they could, but then wrote me another email telling me that these motors in the video would be too powerful in the event I crash the machine… Any thoughts on that? A reply would be greatly appreciated as I was set on buying those motors. Thank you
Also they said it was because they had to beef up the machine for their 1.35nm 2a high torque motors. And that all looked good minus the 4 amp holding torque on the longs motors. I can’t afford their set up although the neat and tidy little package is appealing. That just puts me back another 400 and I had to beg the wife to let me spend another 500 already lol.
@@durangotang1681 Hi. On eBay, you can buy a 1.1nm version of this motor along with the HBS57 driver. That would probably work just fine. For me, I'm happy with the bigger motors but I can see the wisdom in their advice to you.
Franco so In other words-get the bigger motors, just be conservative af with feeds and speeds and dry-run everything first😂?
@@durangotang1681 So far, that plan has worked well for me.
Franco awesome. Thank you much for the responses. I’ll be ordering everything tomorrow. Decided it looks like I can just bore out the couplings myself on the lathe. Furthermore when I “hearted” the motors on eBay it gave me a 10% off coupon which saves me another 43 bux on them. Super stoked to finally be getting into cnc. Thank you for all your help.
So there is no backlash with this motor?
It's more about not missing any steps. You can have the best closed loop motors in the world and still have backlash in the mechanical system they are driving.
Hello sir, mine takes a long time to communicate to the driver and it doesn't want me to change any of the settings .. any advice?
.. and can you give me some advice on the PA settings. I have the same driver with nema23
Hello Franco,
What type of control board and free software do you recomend To go along with this driver ans servo motor. It's for my chinese workbee. Many thanks.
I'm a big fan of the Centroid Acorn CNC control system. That would be my recommendation.
@@FrancoCNC Ok Thanks a lot
@@FrancoCNC Thanks Franco