Picking a GTX 230 Over a 170: WCJ Quick Topic
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*Sad Gtx 170 rider noises* If you have ridden like a 230 or 300 prior to 170, i'm sure you think it's sluggish, but if you'r coming from a boat life...Gtx 170 ripps, just sayin ;)
LOL!
Exactly what I was hoping to hear. About to buy 1
Got the GTX 230/2021. Usually cruise between 35-40 mph like Kevin states. I'll get about 5 mpg, and have a range of easily 90 miles. He's right again when he says its a fun machine when you want to open it up and go, or put the nose down to carve it up. My GTX has a top speed of 65. That group cruising at 70 does deserve some cookies!
Yup!
You cruise at 70 on a supercharged ski and you're sucking down over 20 gallons of fuel an hour. Not much of a ride when you're done after 45 minutes, lol.
So my question is since most cruise around 35mph if I get a gti 90 it will have topend around 40-44mph and on a small lake and for tubing shouldn’t it be enough ?
I know I would like a 155 or newer 170 or even the 130 but nothing around where I live but a gti 90 would I be still happy with jt
For tubing the kids and have a little fun
Wow, I was in this situation myself - I was looking for a GTX 170 - but found an incredible deal on a 2020 GTX 230 - 18 hours with trailer/bluetooth speakers along with FACTORY Warranty until June 2023 for $14k! GTX doesn't come with Ergo Locks - unless you get the UNLIMITED - I just installed them on mine it was simple enough and worth every penny!
Score!
what’s ergo locks?
@@FilmJunkieOutdoors those are pads that go around where your knees touch the plastic - its not standard on the 230
No idea what a catch can is. Might help to clarify stuff like this so newbies like me will come back…
Might be helpful if you searched ANY of the half dozen videos we've produced on the topic, or the several full length articles detailing what it is and how it works over at www.watercraftjournal.com
I agree, what the heck is a catch can? Might google it though :)
Would you also consider an ultra lx or fx ho “anemic” or feeling slightly underpowered? (NA full size segment)
The Ultra? Yes. The FX? No.
@@watercraftjournal I sold my FX non super charged and wondered if the 170 sea pro would feel lacking
Great advice, as always Kevin! I have a 2019 GTX 155, and want a upgrade but also considering the 300 models... Our second ski is a Spark Trixx, so max speed isn't a high priority. To get a more agile performance ski, should I really look at an RXP or would Riva Sponsons on an GTX 230/300 be a good compromise (while being more seaworthy)?
Also, would the 300 model be equally as efficient as the 230 sticking at the same touring speeds (is it a bigger supercharger that kicks in at the speed as the 230 models)?
Get the RIVA sponsons for sure. You'll be blown away by the difference.
Awesome, thanks Kevin!!
I have heard some complaints from people with the GTX 170 about slight pulling to one side or slight leaning/listing.at lower speeds....
Is there anything to this ?
Some people had mentioned it could possibly be because there is no super charger intercooler. On the one side... ?
If you are just riding smooth on the water 170 is perfekt. Its cost twice less fuel than the 230 and of course, less power too. But for me cruisin on the water is all I need specially with the price of gas here! ciaoooo
Totally agree
Dear Kevin,
I've been following you in youtube for some time. I am 55 years old, from New York, and totally new in PWC, but I am about to buy my first jet ski. I have seen this video about the GTX 170 vs GTX 230, but I am not clear about your recommendation. You say "good choice" to the subscribers that said they got a 170, but on the video you say you recommend the 230.
Can you please help me decide? I'm planning trips in the NY area, to explore locations and water courses, and I may adventure in the Atlantic a little bit. I may do some of that with my 10yo son.
My initial though was the 170 since it has a simpler machine and I dont think I will be riding at full speed normally, but at the same time, I dont want the ski to be boring or anemic.
Can you please help me out?
GTX 170 is a great choice. Go that route.
Just got into skis last summer. I have experience racing other stuff. But not on watercraft. So went with the GTR230. Not really knowing the hull difference between the GTX and GTR. Oh well, I'll ride the GTR and have fun with it anyway. Now wishing I had gotten the GTX170 or a yamaha FXHO maybe
The GTR is an incredibly fun hull. You'll love it.
Debating between a GTI SE 170 OR a GTX 170. CANT DECIDE
We've provided you plenty of info to help with your choice.
the price difference between the 230 and 300 GTX is 1300. Do you think it's worth the extra money? I orded the 230, but I've got a day to decide if I want to switch to the bigger engine.
Yes!
What is a catch can ?
Here you go: watercraftjournal.com/video-understanding-crankcase-pressure-blow-by-and-oil-catch-cans/
I had such a hard debate between the 170 and the 230 in the GTI/GTR series. I ultimately chose the GTI 170. My thinking was most of my cruising would be done in the range you mention and the 170, at least I hope, will give decent torque for playing around. I had a 155 which I loved but I wanted some of the other upgrades with the newer machines. I hope I won’t have wished I got a 230!
Good choice.
I dont ride at 70 with a group, but ide still like that cookie Kevin! Lol
Okay...
What sponsons should I get for 2019 gtx limited 230
Look up "sponsons" on this channel or on The Watercraft Journal.
First most of our rides are on lake powell. We go for a 4 to 5 days camping trip. During those trips we do 400+ miles. Cruising speed is 25-35 MPH with full throttle only 10% of the time.I started with a Spark 3 (90HP) great gas mileage but not good for camping and way too uncomfortable on choppy water. Then I had. a GTR230 as they were no GTX170 available. Gas mileage is not good and comfort is just a little better than the Spark. Then I ordered a RXP 300 gas mileage is better than the GTR and comfort is also way better than the GTR. then I order a GTX 170 that I should get next may and I will even add the rear deck extension.
Bottom line it depend of what you are doing, having to run a supercharger for cruising at 35MPH is useless and it burn more fuel.
Nice
@@watercraftjournal anyway I like your review they are great
What’s the difference between the gti 170 and Gtx 170?
Everything but the powertrain.
Different hulls and features. The GTX is a more touring-oriented machine with more luxury features.
I’m sold on GTX 230 watched many of your videos I wanna have fun but race down the road in Bermuda so 230 is ideal
Every 200 hours don't you have to do maintenance on the super charger?
Not according to BRP. (LOL)
I don’t think it’s bad. 🤷🏽♂️ I like working on them tho
I don't understand why someone would buy a lower hp supercharged ski. Why buy a 230 when you can get the 300?
Cost of purchase
Plus with the cost of
Fuel these days people may prefer the 230 for its ability to run on lower octane fuel
Money is money, Bo. Some folks simply cannot afford the 300.
@@conpoulos7233 Good point..totally forgot the 230 runs on lower octane.
Lower cost, lower octane fuel, some people want a bit more umph than a 170 but aren't looking to race. Higher hp equals higher stress on components, potentially more maintenance, etc.
Do you really need a Catch can on a 2021 GTR230?? Mines stock and had no issues.. grant it only 22hours. Ski is fun as hell, playful and donuts
Its fast hit 105km/h (65mph) and drinks gas twice as fast as our spark.. haven’t tried the 170 but I suspect I would miss the power this thing rips out of the hole
Is it supercharged? Yes. Is it the same engine as in the ST3? Yes. Have you taken off the intercooler tubes to look inside of the IC? Doubtful. Is Kevin usually always right? Yes.
dude gtx 170 goes up to 60mph. Which if you've never been on a jetski, that's fast as fuc
My personal record is 91mph.
Just learning about "catch cans", if they are so good/needed/desired why wouldn't the manufacturer put one on as standard equipment ? They want to sell more parts ?
Kawasaki does.
Catch can?
What is a catch can?
For your edification: watercraftjournal.com/video-understanding-crankcase-pressure-blow-by-and-oil-catch-cans/
@@watercraftjournal Thank you .Great read!
Any longevity issues with the Sea-Doo supercharged engines? Any years to stay away from?
Yes and not specifically.
@@watercraftjournal so they are not a good used ski to buy. High maintenance and being abused is what I was assuming with the boosted versions. Old guys that buy the N/A versions probably take better care of their skis.
I have a 2022 GTX 230 on order. Any idea why Seadoo doesn't have factory installed catch cans on supercharged models?
Good question; ideally a through-circuit oil separator would be preferred.
the reason is emissions.
@@JDDD33 Yep. Technically you're venting oil vapor into the atmosphere.
I’m surprised manufacturers don’t have a cruse specific lean burn mode. Limits throttle and power for max range to get you home.
Something for the future!
isnt this what ECO Mode does ? If I were the BRP engineers, I would made eco mode run lightly more lean on the AFR, and reduce the PSI on the supercharger. surely thats what Eco mode does.
@@JDDD33 The eco mode will limit your top speed and throttle response, don't know if it activates a lean cruise mode. This is common in cars but not sure about watercraft-I would think not since rpm and engine load go up with cruising speed as opposed to a car which can drop into a higher gear and be more efficient at cruise.
Great Video Man!!! I am tossing up between the GTI 170 SE or GTR230. What would you go for as a Second Ski (for the misses) 😜😜😜
The 2020 GTI 170 SE earned out Watercraft of the Year award for many good reasons. Go look that up.
@@watercraftjournal thankyou!!
What are y'all paying out the door for a new gtx 170?
Over MSRP. And so will you.
How much more I see people in my area selling them 2 years old with 60 hours for 15k with no trailer
I buy a 2020 FX HO thanks for the tip BTW, anyway I'm looking to change it for the 22 but don't know if I go for HO again or go SVHO, is a lot of difference IN MAINTENANCE specifically?? Or I just go for a Maptuner in a HO?
You won’t see the gains tuning the HO and you’ll see all of your MPG plummet.
@@watercraftjournal Tanks for that! so if I choose SVHO over HO what's is the difference in Maintainance
Honestly not much difference at all... if you leave it stock it will be every bit as reliable as a HO, just make sure oil changes are done on time
Oh and also go SVHO youl love it!!!
Fishpro 170 is awesome
Yes it is!
The 230s better though
I have an rxt230 with 270 hours I’m thinking about selling what do u think would be a fair price
$1 dollar, Bob.
Damn you, I needed this 2 months ago before pre ordering my 170.
Was thinking maybe a tune to get the hp up a little? First pwc so didn’t know what to compare the power on water to.
You’ll be perfectly fine with your 170 - it goes plenty fast around 58mph top speed which is moving on the water especially for your first ski - the 170 will also last longer as the engine will be less stressed, require less fuel cost as it only needs 87 octane compared to 91+ on the 230, and lastly will cost less to maintain as well since you won’t have any of the supercharger maintenance costs
@@GAM-TIME the sensible option then 😂
Brian’s right. Enjoy your 170!
@@GAM-TIME great comment however one slight correction. The 230 only requires 87 octane. The 300 requires the 91.
I have the fish pro (gtx) 170 and it’s plenty fast, have seen 59 on the speedo. if you want more aggressive power you can put it in sport mode.