A lot of people don't get it, the GTi's/GTR's break loose and have fun. I have a 2014 Yamaha VXS and it's hard to even break that loose, it's pretty glued in. I also have a GP1800R and that's just all business. It's fun to have these razor sharp utensils but at the same time they don't break loose at all.
Totally agree mate... Can't comment on new gen Yam stuff but as for Seadoo...The ST3 and T3 hull are insane handing hulls that deliver point and shot cornering, but as you say they lack the fun factor that the polytec 2 provides... For me, I still believe the power would be better in a smaller hull, as it would then be true playfulness, but as it stands, a GTR X is close to true modern day 70mph performance in a relatively playful hull... The other thing I forgot to mention was, I would also say the polytec in real world usage is way more durable than gelcoat in terms of scratch resistant... I know the bond line has been a point of contention with the top deck being gel and the bottom being polytec, but only time will tell how the 300 does in the new GTRX. Thanks for watching dude.
Dude why don't you ride the 230 before you talk about it. 0-65MPH in 5 seconds on the water is insane. The 230s top speed Is 65. Also it's supercharged not turbocharged. Superchargers provide the power low in the RPM band as well as high in. Turbochargers need time to spool up.
Thanks for the insight but do have to politely disagree... a good friend I ride with has the 230 and from what he has said its a 60-62mph ski... If you look at the specs of the 230, Seadoo only back it to 60mph officially. I love your backing of the 230 but think you maybe being doing what some of my fellow spark lovers do and say the 'spark does 54-55mph' when its only best case going to do 52-53 on perfect glass... maybe in perfect conditions you have hit 65 but would like to see the receipt for that buddy.. I still stand by the fact if I want to do 60-63mph, I'm picking a 2 stroke 951 GSX, XP or the likes of a GP 1200, as the relative cost of buying an entry level supercharger doesn't make sense to me. My main point on the 230 is why go out and spend supercharger money on a 230 when really superchargers IMO are all about top end 70mph and above (if tuned/modded)... I do disagree about low end pull of a supercharger! I've rode a number of modern big skis and for me the mid range-top end pull is the impressive bit, if I want low end pull, again 2 stroke all day long. Hell my 1996 wave raider for the first 20mph will hold with a 300hp... highlighting my point that superchargers are all about that continued pull... with the superchargers being so big and heavy anything light with good power will hold with it. I'm pretty sure I said supercharger and only referred to turbo's in relation to the spark... Appreciate you watching and the energy for the 230 but I need video proof to believe 65mph, if you got it I'll happily admit I'm wrong buddy.
@@classicjetskis also now that I remember. Tell your friend to replace his wear ring and check his impeller. The wear ring should be replaced every year under heavy writing and every two years under light riding. Otherwise you get a reduction in top speed.
@@mattmolisbro Ok mate, I will pass that info on... hes only done 17 hours. In essence buddy when I did my research for the GTR video there was no consistency for grounds of reporting 65mph... Overall I guess the take take away is we now have a proper supercharge GTR with 300hp and for me at least I don't see the point of a baby supercharger.. in the same way I think a 130hp GTI is pointless... if the engine can achieve a speed, let it have it otherwise, its just a ECU/mapping semantics game for Seadoo to create more price points. I will concede that a mapped 230 will do way more than stock 🙌🙌
On my 2017 RXPX T3, you have adjustable sponsons - so you can raise them up and 'loosen' the rear end. You still have to lean FORWARD when doing a hard turn to spin the back, but you can do it.
Thanks for sharing! That's a great tip about the adjustable sponsons on your 2017 RXPX T3. Raising them to loosen the rear end sounds like alot of fun and a way to make it more playful. Thanks for watching dude 😎🙌
I have a Trixx and hope the GTR can fulfill this role too. I can give up 10-20% playfulness to gain acceleration, top end, more space, more storage, more practicality and a ski that can handle rougher waters and go greater distances in comfort. I took my boys 3 & 7 on a 40 mile round trip last summer in flat conditions. We had an amazing time but it was always on my mind that if the sea turned quick it would be a massive slog home. GTR would give way more piece of mind in this respect and allow use of the craft for many more things than you can do on the spark. Don’t get me wrong, I do those things on the spark but it is a compromise for sure.
Honestly dude reading your comment I couldn't agree more with your sentiment. You are bang on! I always get thrown at me 'if you want more speed you should buy an RXP or RXTX' etc but these people genuinely don't get my point around wanting to maintain playfulness in your ride, and me preferencing playfulness over rider compliance. I ride 2 strokes not just because they are 2 stroke but because the 90s and that era prioritised connection with the water and rider skill... Fast forward 30 years and honestly when I ride the ST3 or T3 hulls on the high performance crafts, I feel disconnected with the water and feel at times like I'm not tested as a rider... don't get me wrong they're incredible crafts and eat up the chop and corner on rails, but I want my hull to be loose and me make the difference if that makes sense. The reason like you say the GTR could be great is it runs the polytec 2 GTI hull which lets go and spins in the spirit of the lighter crafts... for sure its still too big and in an ideal world they would make a faster spark vs suggesting the GTRX as the performance playful craft, but I also hear your point around kids and also storage etc on the GTRX... which fair play doing 40 miles on a 3up (I assume). The only thing I'm not crazy on is the GTRX is abit boring looking in the grey, I do love the red details but for me its 'safe' I love the look of the all red new 325 RXP... I just know I would hate the compliance of the T3 hull not spinning like my spark/XP etc, even if the 325 will give me 75+ Thanks for watching dude 🙌
Trip was on the 2up spark 😂. 3 year old in front holding his own little handle bar extensions and 8 year old behind holding me. We were out again at the weekend for this first time this season and we can still get away with it this summer - all felt safe and stable but next year I’ll need to get a different ski or convert the 2up to a 3up. I’ve seen some reports saying the GTi hull is better in rough water than the ST3. That would appeal as I ride 100% ocean and the Spark quickly becomes a liability if you have any passengers on board. At the other end of the spectrum it’s a riot in rough seas on your own launching off waves 😂
Switching from a GP1800SVHO to a Sea-Doo RXT-X is an exciting move as going from one brand to the other is always fun as so different, IMO and I'm bias but Seadoo just seem to be more refined. The RXT-X is a fantastic ski, I know first hand as my Dad has one and its a very capable ski in the chop and quick, not playful enough for me but great compliant ride. Enjoy your new ride, and feel free to share your thoughts once you've had some time on the water with it! Thanks for watching 🙌✌
Good video, would it be possible for you to demo a rxpx 325 just to get your opinion on them, also would be cool to see more exploring different coastlines and areas on the skis.
Thanks dude. So yeh my plan as I do every year is to get a demo on the new RXPX 325 and also the GTRX 300... my issue historically with the RXP T3 hull is mainly that for me and my style of riding, I love a ski thats loose and will easily let the back end go... The RXP IMO is an insane new gen race machine, but not an overly fun recreational ski... Also hoping to get out way more this year and bring you guys more content... Thanks for watching as always dude ✌
Thanks Steve... I must be honest as I'm getting impatient with waiting for a faster Spark X, I have given close attention to the Yamaha Jet Blaster as know that can be re-tuned to do 55-57mph... I love the one from a few years ago in the blue and yellow... that said I do prefer Seadoo product styling (Old Spark that is) Thanks for watching mate ✌
I'm going to second a performance report given by a comment made by Clint. This flys to 69 like nothing. Tracks straight without any hunt through waves. Spins, jumps, slides effortlessly and predictably. But I think many don't understand this machine. Especially if you're comparing it for purchase to SVHO's, RXT's, RXP's, or the 310 based on generic stats. This ski is completely unique across all OEM's. Yes it will hit 69 at it's stock redline. Which in my experience leaves every stock machine not named RXT or RXP in it's wake. But this machine is designed for the down and dirt of flicking it around and drifting. Yes it's bigger than what would be desired for an XP, Spark or other two stroke rider. But that's what the power is there for. The RXP is like an F1 car, the RXT is quarter mile machine and the GTR is either a drift car or the family sedan with a 427 dropped in. Apples meet oranges. All that said... it's not an X4 or a spark, or blaster but it's the closest thing you can get to them while still having extra seats and 70mph. Great channel, just came back into the hobby after 20 years. Coming from a 94 and 95 XP back in the day. This was the only machine being manufactured that could give those old school thrills and yet still be able to hang with all the other rockets of today.
In addendum, as far as its ride. Crossing chop including wake boat surf is stress free one handed at 50+, so no worries of it deciding to go a different direction. It breaks when you want, accepts body input more than other sea couches "as someone said" with the throttle compensating for what your body can't. And the flatter predictable turning is easier on the body. You may not win races in the morning against the other performance craft. But you'll be out front in the afternoon after everyone else is beached putting on muscle cream and rubbing their cramps. If all you want is to go fast, get any of those other performance machines and go. The GTR is a niche machine and those that understand it will appreciate it. Wanna just go as fast as you can without any other consideration. RXT, RXP or the SVHO are right there for ya.
Mate, you nailed it! The GTR is definitely misunderstood if people are trying to compare it directly with the SVHO's, RXT's, or RXP's based on stats alone. It’s in a league of its own. Hitting 69 effortlessly is no joke, and you're right-it’s made for flicking, drifting, and all that down-and-dirty fun, not just for straight-line speed. It’s bigger than the X4 or Spark, but that power makes up for it big time. Totally feel you on coming from those '94 and '95 XPs-the GTR is probably the closest thing we’ve got today that brings that old-school thrill while still hanging with modern machines. Glad to hear you're back in the hobby, man! Thanks for watching!
@SoonerIke19kilo Response to 2nd comment buddy: It’s a niche machine, no doubt, and if you get it, you get it. And yeah, if pure speed’s your only goal, there are plenty of other performance beasts to choose from-but the GTR’s got that perfect balance of fun and usability 😊👌
6 hours on my 2024 GTR-X 300 70 mph on the Speedo 69.5 on Hand held GPS at 8000 rpms. Tested with scom and without scom made no real difference pulls like a freight train straight to 69 mph. Ski is playful and fun to ride but it’s no top end machine.
Man this is epic! thanks for sharing, sounds super promising and exciting! As I suspected the GTRX 300 would finally give new gen performance and handling. I mean the best option would be a faster spark but this is the next best thing. Enjoy that machine... Send me a video on my Insta of you throwing that bad boy around! Thanks for watching 👌
Nice! This machine isn't going to do much with a SCOM. You're at redline already at 69. I think if anyone wants to get more oomph out of these, you're going to have to go down the tune road to find more RPM's. I'm personally thinking a mild tune and intake grate "though it bites better than expected" plus the normal add ons like air intake and catch can will be just fine and make it perfect (for me). But I'd bet a couple bucks that a tune, impeller and the other items mentioned will only buy 5-6 mph on the top. These mods on the GTR should be looked at more from what you'll get at the bottom end of the speed envelope.
I love the GP and sure at some stage will get my hands on one... This video in general, isn't really about finding an old gen that has 170...I'm more than happy with my old gen performances. This video is about new gen offerings and how this new GTRX 300 will give more playful characteristics and 300hp out the box...what you have to think is buying an old GP 2 stroke doesn't solve my point around having a work horse ski... IMO a GP isn't massively dissimilar engine wise, to my Wave Raider 1100 which is a very quick ski, but would I ride it every weekend? No because it would be at 100 hours before I knew it and the longevity wouldn't be there...My love affair with old 2 strokes in the pristine beauty of them, hence having so many to rotate and keep them clean. A new gen spark will do 500 hours easy without a rebuild, hence adding one to my line up to give me a work horse, that said I need a quicker new gen playful ski, as the spark needs more top end. Thanks for watching dude 🙌
Just cleared the 5 hour break in on my GTR-X 300. Stupid fast out of the box for a relatively low price. That being said, at this price it brings the GTX Limited into perspective as a loaded ski. I'm happy with my purchase but still think I will be back in the fall for the extra options...
Nice man, congrats on the new GTR-X... I hear you re relative cost point of GTR-X vs GTX Ltd but they are completely different hulls which is what my video was mainly focusing on. The GTX Ltd runs an ST3 hull which is a much more compliant hull vs the Polytec 2 hull on the GTR-X, as such the GTR-X should be a lot more playful. Worth noting the GTR-X has the largest front bin out of the RXT, GTX and GTR-X I'm sure. But yes other features like speakers etc the Ltd is more geared towards this as its the Ltd model... The GTR-X is more sporty with the race handlebars etc. Thanks for sharing and watching 🙌
I’m torn between selling my 97 GSX and ‘upgrading’ to a newer ski… the GSX owes me nothing, and I always have a blast in it.. any advice?? I was thinking to get a GTR230 or RXP300
That's a tough decision! The 97 GSX is a classic and clearly holds the 90s ethos we all love. If you're having a blast with it and it's been reliable, there's a lot to be said for sticking with what you know and love. However, if you're looking for more power and modern features, both the GTR230 and RXP300 are solid options, keep in mind the RXP is a completely different machine and ride to the GTR, the GTR is a polytec 2 playful hull and the RXP uses the T3 racing hull... The GTR is going to be closer to the playfulness of the GSX but the RXP is a race machine and will turn hard. It might come down to how much you value the nostalgia of your GSX versus the excitement of upgrading to something newer and more powerful. Ultimately, go with what feels right for your riding style and preferences! Thanks for watching dude 💪🙌
Slightly off topic question.. but I hope someone can help ! Where can I buy an oil pump (with the slender extraction tube ) to enable me to do my own oil changes on the Sea Doo 230?
No stress, you can buy an oil pump with a slender extraction tube for your Sea-Doo 230 on Amazon, at West Marine, or from Sea-Doo dealerships. Thanks for watching dude 🙌
I have always had a Sea-Doo SPX and could never keep up with my friend GTR 230 so I went out and bought a RXTX 300 and I don’t like the rxtx because I cannot get it to do a doughnut i’m thinking about getting rid of it and getting me that GTR x 300 so I can still have the playfulness of the GTR and still have good top speed
I hear you dude, this is one of the tricky things about riding with riders who have new crafts, the culture of how people ride has changed, in the 90s riders would go to a sand bar, do spins, jump waves, fall off, come in to the beach and have a beer...riding in patches. Now riders launch and go for miles along the coast cruising, normally at 60mph + so the old stuff suffers in this scenario. The caveat to that as you have said, if you buy new and then when it comes to wanting to jump big waves and spin it, there is nothing like the old X4 XPs and SPX's. What happened with you is you have just purchased the wrong hull buddy if you're looking for playfulness. So new gen the most playful is a spark but as you likely know, this is too slow to cruise with riders on the bigger crafts, so then the next best thing is a Polytech 2 hull on the GTI 170 which is what is under the 230 and now 300 GTRX, this is going to give you 70mph but still spin in a way the ST3 rxtx and T3 rxp wont. If it were me I would buy the GTRX 300 that looks like a very very exciting bigger hull. Thanks for watching, hope this helped 🙌
Can am has just released the maverick r with a 999cc turbo 3cyl, I would not be surprised if we see this motor in the new spark, maybe N/A for the standard spark and then fingers crossed a turbo option for the 'spark x' if we get it. I only say this as the original X3 maverick had a turbo version of the 900 ace from the spark, so doesn't seem to far fetched to go back the other way going from new maverick to spark . The 900 in the X3 makes 200hp while the spark makes 90hp, so say 110~ hp loss when you take the turbo away and put it in a ski instead of a side by side. Take that logic but apply it to the new 999cc and you're left with a (hopefully super reliable) 130hp spark, while still retaining the light weigh nature of the ski. How much fun is the gtrx btw best thing seadoo has done since the spark in my opinion
This sounds very promising and exciting... thanks for sharing this insight... a turbo to me has always seemed like the most realistic way of obtaining more power, whilst not destroying the size/fun/playfulness of the spark, as lets face it, the spark is great at what it does, so its how they give more power whilst not upsetting the great playfulness we now have... sounds like a very real option you mentioned... would be interested to see weight difference between the 2 setups you mentioned in the Can am? When I looked into 'turboing' my current spark, what put me off is all the issues people have ran into with not really being able to wave jump a spark anymore once turboed... due to the way the turbo sits on the mod kits due to weight not being supported to take the load off jumping stress. Although Seadoo say technically you shouldn't jump them, they know that anything they sell commercially needs to be fit for this mode of use... I may be ignorant here but snow mobiles don't jump like skis, so is this a reason why they can put a turbo in these machines vs a ski? Yes I've not rode a GTRX 300 but want to, looks like the best compromise if you want more power until we hopfully get a spark X. 20k though for a GTRX... not good value when I have playful quick 2 strokes in the garage, that only cost me a fraction... the spark is the best smiles per pound offering in my opinion new gen, and if we got more power then I truly believe a 3 up spark is perfect for most riders... I know this objectively as apart from more speed/power my Dad loved riding my spark for long periods... Thanks for the thoughts, really interesting stuff mate
The new engine looks VERY similarly sized, I can't imagine there would be that much difference in weight, it definitely looks like it's based on the 900 ace architecture. The spark is a very close to perfect platform but as you've said once you get past that initial learning curve of the wheelies, whips, jumps, etc, you're definitely left wanting more in the way speed. They're also just never quiet the same after being so heavily modified always chasing issues. A stock 60mph spark would tick all the right boxes for most people
Here in Austria’s 230 version sold well due to price, looks and decent entry performance buuuuuut when you ask someone why are you selling the 230 …they say I wanna get the 300… I wanna go faster. Now that the RXPX has gone north of $30k and the Apex was well over $35K this was a very wise move by Seadoo in still offering a performance craft below $29k in Australia. Sure it’s not gonna get the top speed numbers or handle like a race craft but it will give old mate some head turns at the boat ramp being a 300 and on the water give some BDE( big dick energy) We all know now that the Spark x will be north of $18k here. So there’s price point for Seadoo in performance and what sells well. A well orchestrated marketing ploy. Honey trap. Buuuut Seadoo need to be careful as everyone is feeling the pinch financially world wide and petrol ain’t coming down, I think the second hand market will explode like post Covid situation.
All really good points dude 🙌For me the main issue with the 230 is it only gets 60mph but having to run a super charger to get it, thats not a good trade off...If I'm dealing with super charger maintenance I want 70mph...That said in the past having tested T3 and ST3 hulls they're not loose enough for me, hence why this new GTRX grabs my attention... Only time will tell how this ski does... FYI here in the UK the GTRX 300 is around £20,000 and the Spark Trixx is like £13,000... I do agree though in terms of cost points of skis who recreationally ride, who is wanting to spend 30k for a performance T3... even 20k IMO is too much... In terms of smiles per ££$$, an old 2 stroke wins hands down... I have skis in the garage that cost me a fraction and if they don't always get rode no problem, not sure how anyone is rationalising a 30k ski sat in the garage in the UK and not get rode for weeks/months at a time, which is what normally happens with our climate. Thanks for watching 👌🙌
@@classicjetskis yes there are skis at every budget, but the performance or touring skis are becoming ridiculously out of reach too many enthusiasts. There are a lot of costs associated with any recreational product but not everyone has that kind of budget. Jet skiing used to be cheap once the dust settled from the 2 stroke/4 stoke change over until I think last summer, yes people have choices to purchase new or used but like all used products there are underlining issues that most people don’t want to deal with financially and yes you’re right about the 2 strokes. I’m not sure where this is all going because the industry has had many other brands remove themselves from the PWC market due to profitability and there’s only 3 now since Honda pulled the pin…
Yeh I hear you dude, it is a shame that a hobby I always associated with affordable fun, now feels more geared towards a more affluent demographic that see PWC as disposable toys. IMO PWC's don’t need to be as sophisticated as they have become...I think Seadoo have nailed the formula many years ago, so where do they go from here tbf but small tweaks...If you look at the 325 models, it’s now become more and more about speed vs overall recreational fun, most riders don’t need more power from the HPC, they need for enjoyment, I can guarantee I’m having more fun on my smaller crafts that the bigger skis. IMO most people buying 325 will be racers that can actually extract the true performance of the craft. Prices logically have to stabilise at some point but who knows...I’m just glad I have 2 strokes in the garage. Thanks again for watching
you said something about putting mods on the seadoos. does this make them more unreliable even if you added something like a SCOM, carbon fiber 90* intake, bov with upgraded tubing, oil catch can, and a water box
Ok so great question, bolt on Mods such as uprated intake gate etc I don't think are going to effect things that much in terms of reliability, but as for engine related mods, any increase in performance will have an effect on the overall engine balance thus reliability, that said there are what I would call lite mods and then more hard core mods. I'm not against modding but its always important to look into the related negative effects, for when things could go wrong, as most people that mod never like to talk honestly about things going wrong... I see guys that mod the old stuff and then complain about the engine when in reality they have modded a stock engine that from factory was balanced for longevity, but as soon as its modded, will reduce longevity... the 951cc engine is a great example of this on the 4th gen XP. A stock 951 was great at 130hp but a modded one never lasted long! Thanks for watching 👌
What I would say if you want to maintain longevity of craft, then just stick to bolt on mods, such as uprated sponsons, intake gates, impellers and then on the engine side, a retune thats not pushing the craft stupidly beyond its capability's will be fine. But IMO stock is just the best route and if you're truly not happy with the performance of your craft, then go to the next model up the tier... For example I 1000% want my spark to be faster and there are things for sure I could do, but I know in doing so it will effect the balance in one shape or form, so if I want faster I ride my stock 951 GSX or XP... the same is true with all PWCs... IMO if you want faster than 300hp GTR then you need to look at the new 325s, but IMO a stock 300 will hit 70mph so what do you really need to mod? Thanks for watching
Good take, but I think the GTRX may be lost in the sauce for many people; price dependent of course. There are gonna be a lot of people who cannot afford it, and those who can will simply choose a GTX or one of the new 325 boats instead. It COULD be an option to keep pace with the other 300+ boats, but the hull makes it not nearly as optimal for long rides. Its why the GTR went away for a model year (or two, if I recall). Spark Trixx with a 110 or even a 130 engine would absolutely slap compared to this.
I do agree mate, most won't understand the merit of this model...In a way I feel like Seadoo think this is the best response to riders asking for a Spark X 🤦♂🤦♂ Whilst you make good points about GTX (ST3) being a better hull for long distance, this video is more geared towards how, if like me you're looking for playfulness in your ride and want real performance that can compete with 300hp machines, then the GTRX is the best there is (On paper that is...only time will tell)... Obviously if I had my way, I would have a 1630hp in a spark and have 170 lol, but thats likely unrealistic as Seadoo knows overnight the GTI 130 and 170 will become redundant... IMO the Seadoo line up should be a Spark as the lightweight playful offering, but needs to 60mph... Then GTR/GTX 300 as midground and then RXP/RXT 325 as top of the tree race crafts... I would also add, I think most would sacrifice a little bit of long distance rideability/comfort, if its means more playful characteristics at the lake/beach scenarios. Thanks for watching ✌✌
@@Vikturus2k6 I would say thats a good move, the RXP T3 is a great race machine, but recreationally you want a balance of performance and playful IMO. When we get a Spark X, sell old 90hp and GTR and just have the one... Enjoy it dude
@@classicjetskis Oh yeah for sure, I totally get that you were making the point that this is a more playful hull that finally has the 300 engine as an option, and could "low key" be the best 300 option if you are like us and want an old school fun play around ski for the lake. I'd gladly take a 1630 SparkX with a 130 (you can tune it to 170), hell I'd take a TR1 swap Spark since that has 110. While mulling it over I think a Spark that can reliably do 60 is wild, but then I think about the SXR, a stand up, can do about 64. I know the 325 will probably come to the GTX, but the GTX will always be marketed as the Top of the line ski unto only itself. I think you are right there should be tiers, but I envision 4 or 5 instead of 3; 1)Spark 2)GTI 3) specialty models (Fish Pro, Wake, Explorer) 4) performance (RXPX headlining with RXTX and GTRX as options) and 5) Luxury GTX. Just my two cents. Love the content.
@@badm0t0rf1ng3r I would literally pay insane money for a 1630 spark, but that I think is not going to happen, I think it will be a turbo or them put a snowmobile engine into the same hull... I hear what you're saying about older skis and the fact that there are still faster 2 strokes, but I think 60mph stock on a spark would be a near perfect package...there is so much about the spark that makes modern day skiing that much easier, from the closed loop cooling, extended VTS, more stable for longer rides, whilst not to the detriment of the playfulness and the engine is bomb proof... the main area the spark shines vs say a GSX is the first 20mph launch in sports mode.... that fly by wire is so smooth and consistent... Although a GSX would still eventually outrun a 60mph spark, it would be minimal... 4mph can be levelled with a bit of chop... with any ski, the top speed is based on smooth ride conditions. In a nut shell IMO 60mph is a perfect top speed... anything more is a bonus but not necessary unless you need it, that is for racing that is... Really appreciate your detailed comment and interesting take on it mate.... I also think your tiering is fair... I guess the issue is if we get a Spark X that hits 60mph, that is a race machine right there in its own class... so maybe that is the issue, they would need to split the spark between 2 product category's and that doesn't make a lot of sense, as I don't ever see them getting rid of the 60 and 90hp sparks as they reside now. I see them giving us a limited edition X like the APEX and that is 1000% a performance ski then... if you think xp 951 or gp 1300 back in the day, they were called performance machines... as anything that hits 60mph is impressive top end.
I would have liked to see some video of you riding the GTR X 300. I always hear that the GTI hull is playful, let's see what it does. Did you ride the GTR?
I'm working on it dude... I'm hoping to do a test ride on both the new GTRX 300 and RXP 325 T3 hull. I can confirm I rode a 170 GTI and that is super playful (for a bigger craft that is...never going to be a spark or XP) When I ride a GTRX I will make a follow up. Thanks for watching ✌
For me it’s got to be the GTR X 300 with the Polytec 2 hull vs the ST3 hull in the GTX LTD… just because I want a more playful loose hull and the Polytec hull is more playful than the compliant ST3… that said if you want to eat through chop and have a compliant ride then the GTR would likely be a handful and annoying. I’m hoping to test the GTR X 300 soon so can then make a follow up video, as rode my dads ST3.. Thanks for watching
No but alot of followers have said get one...TBH the main Kaw ski on my bucket list is a X2 as they are pretty iconic...I may have to put a 150 on the list...Tell me more mate? What are the engines like to work on? Thanks for watching 👌
@@classicjetskiswas quick and great in the surf. Stable/planted enough that you could play in the white water and not get pushed over, but nimble enough to man handle around anything and jumps like a Boss!! Some of my best ever jumps where on a 150
This is true but sadly modern day PWC's are now large machines and if you want new its big sadly... If I had my way, a high performance machine would be no bigger than a spark, full gel and 1630 like old school RXP, but that would take a lot more skill to ride and seadoo want mass market appeal, which that wouldn't be. Thanks for watching
@@badm0t0rf1ng3r Good point, its even cheaper to own a 2 stroke in the first place, a good running 951 can be picked up for 2k... starting price of 300hp machine is 20k... so that's 18k in the pocket... Prices sadly are silly now.
There's 98 gsx Ltd on eBay for £1500 ono at the moment. It looks pretty clean too... I would much rather have a gsx than any new ski... older is miles better 👌👍.... superb channel 👌
@@benjolly354 Yeh I saw that mate, I love my GSX 1999 so much and if it wasn't for the fact I have an example that is pristine, I would ride it week in week out...Sadly however with it now being 25 years old and being a classic...I want to keep it clean. So there is a new/gap for a new gen work horse ski. A spark has proven that the 900 ace will do 500 hours without a rebuild...most I've seen on the 951 is 250-300 but there will be alot of love and attention to get it there vs a spark that is pretty bomb proof... I think having both is the perfect set up IMO. Keep the classics clean and ride them on rotate and have a spark/gtrx as new gen work horse.
I hear your point on Polytec, but I think in Seadoo's defence I think Polytec on the whole has done a great job at proving its durability... even on my Spark Polytec hull, what I put that through, I think a gel coat would struggle... I think on both Gel and Polytec 2, the main area of concern would be big wave jumping... with the gel coat hulls its outright cracking we have seen as the main issue.... with Polytec 2 GTI/GTR its the bond line that can be the weak point.... Only time will tell. Thanks for watching 🙌
A lot of people don't get it, the GTi's/GTR's break loose and have fun. I have a 2014 Yamaha VXS and it's hard to even break that loose, it's pretty glued in. I also have a GP1800R and that's just all business. It's fun to have these razor sharp utensils but at the same time they don't break loose at all.
Totally agree mate... Can't comment on new gen Yam stuff but as for Seadoo...The ST3 and T3 hull are insane handing hulls that deliver point and shot cornering, but as you say they lack the fun factor that the polytec 2 provides... For me, I still believe the power would be better in a smaller hull, as it would then be true playfulness, but as it stands, a GTR X is close to true modern day 70mph performance in a relatively playful hull... The other thing I forgot to mention was, I would also say the polytec in real world usage is way more durable than gelcoat in terms of scratch resistant... I know the bond line has been a point of contention with the top deck being gel and the bottom being polytec, but only time will tell how the 300 does in the new GTRX. Thanks for watching dude.
Dude why don't you ride the 230 before you talk about it. 0-65MPH in 5 seconds on the water is insane. The 230s top speed Is 65. Also it's supercharged not turbocharged. Superchargers provide the power low in the RPM band as well as high in. Turbochargers need time to spool up.
Thanks for the insight but do have to politely disagree... a good friend I ride with has the 230 and from what he has said its a 60-62mph ski... If you look at the specs of the 230, Seadoo only back it to 60mph officially. I love your backing of the 230 but think you maybe being doing what some of my fellow spark lovers do and say the 'spark does 54-55mph' when its only best case going to do 52-53 on perfect glass... maybe in perfect conditions you have hit 65 but would like to see the receipt for that buddy.. I still stand by the fact if I want to do 60-63mph, I'm picking a 2 stroke 951 GSX, XP or the likes of a GP 1200, as the relative cost of buying an entry level supercharger doesn't make sense to me.
My main point on the 230 is why go out and spend supercharger money on a 230 when really superchargers IMO are all about top end 70mph and above (if tuned/modded)... I do disagree about low end pull of a supercharger! I've rode a number of modern big skis and for me the mid range-top end pull is the impressive bit, if I want low end pull, again 2 stroke all day long. Hell my 1996 wave raider for the first 20mph will hold with a 300hp... highlighting my point that superchargers are all about that continued pull... with the superchargers being so big and heavy anything light with good power will hold with it. I'm pretty sure I said supercharger and only referred to turbo's in relation to the spark...
Appreciate you watching and the energy for the 230 but I need video proof to believe 65mph, if you got it I'll happily admit I'm wrong buddy.
@@classicjetskis Like any other supercharged jet ski, the top speed of the Sea-Doo GTR 230 is a restricted 65 mph
@@classicjetskis also now that I remember. Tell your friend to replace his wear ring and check his impeller. The wear ring should be replaced every year under heavy writing and every two years under light riding. Otherwise you get a reduction in top speed.
@@mattmolisbro Ok mate, I will pass that info on... hes only done 17 hours. In essence buddy when I did my research for the GTR video there was no consistency for grounds of reporting 65mph... Overall I guess the take take away is we now have a proper supercharge GTR with 300hp and for me at least I don't see the point of a baby supercharger.. in the same way I think a 130hp GTI is pointless... if the engine can achieve a speed, let it have it otherwise, its just a ECU/mapping semantics game for Seadoo to create more price points.
I will concede that a mapped 230 will do way more than stock 🙌🙌
@@mattmolisbronot my gtr215
i just bought mine and i can’t wait for the summer
Nice man congrats...hope these live up to my expectation. Thanks for watching 🙌
On my 2017 RXPX T3, you have adjustable sponsons - so you can raise them up and 'loosen' the rear end. You still have to lean FORWARD when doing a hard turn to spin the back, but you can do it.
Thanks for sharing! That's a great tip about the adjustable sponsons on your 2017 RXPX T3. Raising them to loosen the rear end sounds like alot of fun and a way to make it more playful. Thanks for watching dude 😎🙌
I have a Trixx and hope the GTR can fulfill this role too. I can give up 10-20% playfulness to gain acceleration, top end, more space, more storage, more practicality and a ski that can handle rougher waters and go greater distances in comfort. I took my boys 3 & 7 on a 40 mile round trip last summer in flat conditions. We had an amazing time but it was always on my mind that if the sea turned quick it would be a massive slog home. GTR would give way more piece of mind in this respect and allow use of the craft for many more things than you can do on the spark. Don’t get me wrong, I do those things on the spark but it is a compromise for sure.
Honestly dude reading your comment I couldn't agree more with your sentiment. You are bang on! I always get thrown at me 'if you want more speed you should buy an RXP or RXTX' etc but these people genuinely don't get my point around wanting to maintain playfulness in your ride, and me preferencing playfulness over rider compliance. I ride 2 strokes not just because they are 2 stroke but because the 90s and that era prioritised connection with the water and rider skill... Fast forward 30 years and honestly when I ride the ST3 or T3 hulls on the high performance crafts, I feel disconnected with the water and feel at times like I'm not tested as a rider... don't get me wrong they're incredible crafts and eat up the chop and corner on rails, but I want my hull to be loose and me make the difference if that makes sense.
The reason like you say the GTR could be great is it runs the polytec 2 GTI hull which lets go and spins in the spirit of the lighter crafts... for sure its still too big and in an ideal world they would make a faster spark vs suggesting the GTRX as the performance playful craft, but I also hear your point around kids and also storage etc on the GTRX... which fair play doing 40 miles on a 3up (I assume). The only thing I'm not crazy on is the GTRX is abit boring looking in the grey, I do love the red details but for me its 'safe' I love the look of the all red new 325 RXP... I just know I would hate the compliance of the T3 hull not spinning like my spark/XP etc, even if the 325 will give me 75+
Thanks for watching dude 🙌
Trip was on the 2up spark 😂. 3 year old in front holding his own little handle bar extensions and 8 year old behind holding me. We were out again at the weekend for this first time this season and we can still get away with it this summer - all felt safe and stable but next year I’ll need to get a different ski or convert the 2up to a 3up. I’ve seen some reports saying the GTi hull is better in rough water than the ST3. That would appeal as I ride 100% ocean and the Spark quickly becomes a liability if you have any passengers on board. At the other end of the spectrum it’s a riot in rough seas on your own launching off waves 😂
Im coming from a GP1800SVHO. Trying out Sea Doo for the first time. Just tired of brittle paint on Yams. Getting the RXT -X. Great video
Switching from a GP1800SVHO to a Sea-Doo RXT-X is an exciting move as going from one brand to the other is always fun as so different, IMO and I'm bias but Seadoo just seem to be more refined. The RXT-X is a fantastic ski, I know first hand as my Dad has one and its a very capable ski in the chop and quick, not playful enough for me but great compliant ride. Enjoy your new ride, and feel free to share your thoughts once you've had some time on the water with it! Thanks for watching 🙌✌
Good video, would it be possible for you to demo a rxpx 325 just to get your opinion on them, also would be cool to see more exploring different coastlines and areas on the skis.
Thanks dude. So yeh my plan as I do every year is to get a demo on the new RXPX 325 and also the GTRX 300... my issue historically with the RXP T3 hull is mainly that for me and my style of riding, I love a ski thats loose and will easily let the back end go... The RXP IMO is an insane new gen race machine, but not an overly fun recreational ski... Also hoping to get out way more this year and bring you guys more content... Thanks for watching as always dude ✌
Although im a Yamaha fan through and through another great video dude. 😊
Thanks Steve... I must be honest as I'm getting impatient with waiting for a faster Spark X, I have given close attention to the Yamaha Jet Blaster as know that can be re-tuned to do 55-57mph... I love the one from a few years ago in the blue and yellow... that said I do prefer Seadoo product styling (Old Spark that is) Thanks for watching mate ✌
I'm going to second a performance report given by a comment made by Clint. This flys to 69 like nothing. Tracks straight without any hunt through waves. Spins, jumps, slides effortlessly and predictably. But I think many don't understand this machine. Especially if you're comparing it for purchase to SVHO's, RXT's, RXP's, or the 310 based on generic stats. This ski is completely unique across all OEM's. Yes it will hit 69 at it's stock redline. Which in my experience leaves every stock machine not named RXT or RXP in it's wake. But this machine is designed for the down and dirt of flicking it around and drifting. Yes it's bigger than what would be desired for an XP, Spark or other two stroke rider. But that's what the power is there for. The RXP is like an F1 car, the RXT is quarter mile machine and the GTR is either a drift car or the family sedan with a 427 dropped in. Apples meet oranges. All that said... it's not an X4 or a spark, or blaster but it's the closest thing you can get to them while still having extra seats and 70mph. Great channel, just came back into the hobby after 20 years. Coming from a 94 and 95 XP back in the day. This was the only machine being manufactured that could give those old school thrills and yet still be able to hang with all the other rockets of today.
In addendum, as far as its ride. Crossing chop including wake boat surf is stress free one handed at 50+, so no worries of it deciding to go a different direction. It breaks when you want, accepts body input more than other sea couches "as someone said" with the throttle compensating for what your body can't. And the flatter predictable turning is easier on the body. You may not win races in the morning against the other performance craft. But you'll be out front in the afternoon after everyone else is beached putting on muscle cream and rubbing their cramps. If all you want is to go fast, get any of those other performance machines and go. The GTR is a niche machine and those that understand it will appreciate it. Wanna just go as fast as you can without any other consideration. RXT, RXP or the SVHO are right there for ya.
Mate, you nailed it! The GTR is definitely misunderstood if people are trying to compare it directly with the SVHO's, RXT's, or RXP's based on stats alone. It’s in a league of its own. Hitting 69 effortlessly is no joke, and you're right-it’s made for flicking, drifting, and all that down-and-dirty fun, not just for straight-line speed. It’s bigger than the X4 or Spark, but that power makes up for it big time.
Totally feel you on coming from those '94 and '95 XPs-the GTR is probably the closest thing we’ve got today that brings that old-school thrill while still hanging with modern machines. Glad to hear you're back in the hobby, man!
Thanks for watching!
@SoonerIke19kilo Response to 2nd comment buddy: It’s a niche machine, no doubt, and if you get it, you get it. And yeah, if pure speed’s your only goal, there are plenty of other performance beasts to choose from-but the GTR’s got that perfect balance of fun and usability 😊👌
6 hours on my 2024 GTR-X 300 70 mph on the Speedo 69.5 on Hand held GPS at 8000 rpms. Tested with scom and without scom made no real difference pulls like a freight train straight to 69 mph. Ski is playful and fun to ride but it’s no top end machine.
Man this is epic! thanks for sharing, sounds super promising and exciting! As I suspected the GTRX 300 would finally give new gen performance and handling. I mean the best option would be a faster spark but this is the next best thing. Enjoy that machine... Send me a video on my Insta of you throwing that bad boy around! Thanks for watching 👌
Nice! This machine isn't going to do much with a SCOM. You're at redline already at 69. I think if anyone wants to get more oomph out of these, you're going to have to go down the tune road to find more RPM's. I'm personally thinking a mild tune and intake grate "though it bites better than expected" plus the normal add ons like air intake and catch can will be just fine and make it perfect (for me). But I'd bet a couple bucks that a tune, impeller and the other items mentioned will only buy 5-6 mph on the top. These mods on the GTR should be looked at more from what you'll get at the bottom end of the speed envelope.
Why don't you get or compare a Yamaha gp1300 two stroke which is around 170hp or a Yamaha ex
I love the GP and sure at some stage will get my hands on one... This video in general, isn't really about finding an old gen that has 170...I'm more than happy with my old gen performances. This video is about new gen offerings and how this new GTRX 300 will give more playful characteristics and 300hp out the box...what you have to think is buying an old GP 2 stroke doesn't solve my point around having a work horse ski... IMO a GP isn't massively dissimilar engine wise, to my Wave Raider 1100 which is a very quick ski, but would I ride it every weekend? No because it would be at 100 hours before I knew it and the longevity wouldn't be there...My love affair with old 2 strokes in the pristine beauty of them, hence having so many to rotate and keep them clean. A new gen spark will do 500 hours easy without a rebuild, hence adding one to my line up to give me a work horse, that said I need a quicker new gen playful ski, as the spark needs more top end. Thanks for watching dude 🙌
Great info as always. Great work with the actual video quality as well. You make great videos. Thank you.
Thank you buddy, really appreciate that...Glad that you guys are enjoying me adding this more discussion focused videos...Thanks for watching 🙌
Keep the good work up ma man
Thank you dude, really appreciate you watching as always 🙌
Just cleared the 5 hour break in on my GTR-X 300. Stupid fast out of the box for a relatively low price. That being said, at this price it brings the GTX Limited into perspective as a loaded ski. I'm happy with my purchase but still think I will be back in the fall for the extra options...
Nice man, congrats on the new GTR-X... I hear you re relative cost point of GTR-X vs GTX Ltd but they are completely different hulls which is what my video was mainly focusing on. The GTX Ltd runs an ST3 hull which is a much more compliant hull vs the Polytec 2 hull on the GTR-X, as such the GTR-X should be a lot more playful.
Worth noting the GTR-X has the largest front bin out of the RXT, GTX and GTR-X I'm sure. But yes other features like speakers etc the Ltd is more geared towards this as its the Ltd model... The GTR-X is more sporty with the race handlebars etc.
Thanks for sharing and watching 🙌
I’m torn between selling my 97 GSX and ‘upgrading’ to a newer ski… the GSX owes me nothing, and I always have a blast in it.. any advice?? I was thinking to get a GTR230 or RXP300
That's a tough decision! The 97 GSX is a classic and clearly holds the 90s ethos we all love. If you're having a blast with it and it's been reliable, there's a lot to be said for sticking with what you know and love. However, if you're looking for more power and modern features, both the GTR230 and RXP300 are solid options, keep in mind the RXP is a completely different machine and ride to the GTR, the GTR is a polytec 2 playful hull and the RXP uses the T3 racing hull... The GTR is going to be closer to the playfulness of the GSX but the RXP is a race machine and will turn hard. It might come down to how much you value the nostalgia of your GSX versus the excitement of upgrading to something newer and more powerful. Ultimately, go with what feels right for your riding style and preferences! Thanks for watching dude 💪🙌
Slightly off topic question.. but I hope someone can help !
Where can I buy an oil pump (with the slender extraction tube ) to enable me to do my own oil changes on the Sea Doo 230?
No stress, you can buy an oil pump with a slender extraction tube for your Sea-Doo 230 on Amazon, at West Marine, or from Sea-Doo dealerships. Thanks for watching dude 🙌
I have always had a Sea-Doo SPX and could never keep up with my friend GTR 230 so I went out and bought a RXTX 300 and I don’t like the rxtx because I cannot get it to do a doughnut i’m thinking about getting rid of it and getting me that GTR x 300 so I can still have the playfulness of the GTR and still have good top speed
I hear you dude, this is one of the tricky things about riding with riders who have new crafts, the culture of how people ride has changed, in the 90s riders would go to a sand bar, do spins, jump waves, fall off, come in to the beach and have a beer...riding in patches. Now riders launch and go for miles along the coast cruising, normally at 60mph + so the old stuff suffers in this scenario. The caveat to that as you have said, if you buy new and then when it comes to wanting to jump big waves and spin it, there is nothing like the old X4 XPs and SPX's.
What happened with you is you have just purchased the wrong hull buddy if you're looking for playfulness. So new gen the most playful is a spark but as you likely know, this is too slow to cruise with riders on the bigger crafts, so then the next best thing is a
Polytech 2 hull on the GTI 170 which is what is under the 230 and now 300 GTRX, this is going to give you 70mph but still spin in a way the ST3 rxtx and T3 rxp wont.
If it were me I would buy the GTRX 300 that looks like a very very exciting bigger hull. Thanks for watching, hope this helped 🙌
Will not be surprised if we see the motor out of the new maverick r in the next spark, maybe would still be making great power even n/a
Talk to me dude, 'New maverick'? for sure the spark needs more power... needs to be 60mph stock. Thanks for watching 🙌💪
Can am has just released the maverick r with a 999cc turbo 3cyl, I would not be surprised if we see this motor in the new spark, maybe N/A for the standard spark and then fingers crossed a turbo option for the 'spark x' if we get it. I only say this as the original X3 maverick had a turbo version of the 900 ace from the spark, so doesn't seem to far fetched to go back the other way going from new maverick to spark . The 900 in the X3 makes 200hp while the spark makes 90hp, so say 110~ hp loss when you take the turbo away and put it in a ski instead of a side by side. Take that logic but apply it to the new 999cc and you're left with a (hopefully super reliable) 130hp spark, while still retaining the light weigh nature of the ski.
How much fun is the gtrx btw best thing seadoo has done since the spark in my opinion
This sounds very promising and exciting... thanks for sharing this insight... a turbo to me has always seemed like the most realistic way of obtaining more power, whilst not destroying the size/fun/playfulness of the spark, as lets face it, the spark is great at what it does, so its how they give more power whilst not upsetting the great playfulness we now have... sounds like a very real option you mentioned... would be interested to see weight difference between the 2 setups you mentioned in the Can am?
When I looked into 'turboing' my current spark, what put me off is all the issues people have ran into with not really being able to wave jump a spark anymore once turboed... due to the way the turbo sits on the mod kits due to weight not being supported to take the load off jumping stress. Although Seadoo say technically you shouldn't jump them, they know that anything they sell commercially needs to be fit for this mode of use... I may be ignorant here but snow mobiles don't jump like skis, so is this a reason why they can put a turbo in these machines vs a ski?
Yes I've not rode a GTRX 300 but want to, looks like the best compromise if you want more power until we hopfully get a spark X. 20k though for a GTRX... not good value when I have playful quick 2 strokes in the garage, that only cost me a fraction... the spark is the best smiles per pound offering in my opinion new gen, and if we got more power then I truly believe a 3 up spark is perfect for most riders... I know this objectively as apart from more speed/power my Dad loved riding my spark for long periods...
Thanks for the thoughts, really interesting stuff mate
The new engine looks VERY similarly sized, I can't imagine there would be that much difference in weight, it definitely looks like it's based on the 900 ace architecture.
The spark is a very close to perfect platform but as you've said once you get past that initial learning curve of the wheelies, whips, jumps, etc, you're definitely left wanting more in the way speed.
They're also just never quiet the same after being so heavily modified always chasing issues. A stock 60mph spark would tick all the right boxes for most people
Have you seen the krash reaper ski
I have, so many skis I would buy if I had the room lol
So what is the top speed of this ski at full throttle?
Not rode one yet but from what I’ve read 70mph buddy. Will have a test on one at some point. Thanks for watching 👍🙏
Here in Austria’s 230 version sold well due to price, looks and decent entry performance buuuuuut when you ask someone why are you selling the 230 …they say I wanna get the 300… I wanna go faster. Now that the RXPX has gone north of $30k and the Apex was well over $35K this was a very wise move by Seadoo in still offering a performance craft below $29k in Australia. Sure it’s not gonna get the top speed numbers or handle like a race craft but it will give old mate some head turns at the boat ramp being a 300 and on the water give some BDE( big dick energy) We all know now that the Spark x will be north of $18k here. So there’s price point for Seadoo in performance and what sells well. A well orchestrated marketing ploy. Honey trap. Buuuut Seadoo need to be careful as everyone is feeling the pinch financially world wide and petrol ain’t coming down, I think the second hand market will explode like post Covid situation.
All really good points dude 🙌For me the main issue with the 230 is it only gets 60mph but having to run a super charger to get it, thats not a good trade off...If I'm dealing with super charger maintenance I want 70mph...That said in the past having tested T3 and ST3 hulls they're not loose enough for me, hence why this new GTRX grabs my attention... Only time will tell how this ski does... FYI here in the UK the GTRX 300 is around £20,000 and the Spark Trixx is like £13,000... I do agree though in terms of cost points of skis who recreationally ride, who is wanting to spend 30k for a performance T3... even 20k IMO is too much... In terms of smiles per ££$$, an old 2 stroke wins hands down... I have skis in the garage that cost me a fraction and if they don't always get rode no problem, not sure how anyone is rationalising a 30k ski sat in the garage in the UK and not get rode for weeks/months at a time, which is what normally happens with our climate. Thanks for watching 👌🙌
@@classicjetskis yes there are skis at every budget, but the performance or touring skis are becoming ridiculously out of reach too many enthusiasts. There are a lot of costs associated with any recreational product but not everyone has that kind of budget. Jet skiing used to be cheap once the dust settled from the 2 stroke/4 stoke change over until I think last summer, yes people have choices to purchase new or used but like all used products there are underlining issues that most people don’t want to deal with financially and yes you’re right about the 2 strokes. I’m not sure where this is all going because the industry has had many other brands remove themselves from the PWC market due to profitability and there’s only 3 now since Honda pulled the pin…
Yeh I hear you dude, it is a shame that a hobby I always associated with affordable fun, now feels more geared towards a more affluent demographic that see PWC as disposable toys. IMO PWC's don’t need to be as sophisticated as they have become...I think Seadoo have nailed the formula many years ago, so where do they go from here tbf but small tweaks...If you look at the 325 models, it’s now become more and more about speed vs overall recreational fun, most riders don’t need more power from the HPC, they need for enjoyment, I can guarantee I’m having more fun on my smaller crafts that the bigger skis. IMO most people buying 325 will be racers that can actually extract the true performance of the craft. Prices logically have to stabilise at some point but who knows...I’m just glad I have 2 strokes in the garage. Thanks again for watching
you said something about putting mods on the seadoos. does this make them more unreliable even if you added something like a SCOM, carbon fiber 90* intake, bov with upgraded tubing, oil catch can, and a water box
Ok so great question, bolt on Mods such as uprated intake gate etc I don't think are going to effect things that much in terms of reliability, but as for engine related mods, any increase in performance will have an effect on the overall engine balance thus reliability, that said there are what I would call lite mods and then more hard core mods. I'm not against modding but its always important to look into the related negative effects, for when things could go wrong, as most people that mod never like to talk honestly about things going wrong... I see guys that mod the old stuff and then complain about the engine when in reality they have modded a stock engine that from factory was balanced for longevity, but as soon as its modded, will reduce longevity... the 951cc engine is a great example of this on the 4th gen XP. A stock 951 was great at 130hp but a modded one never lasted long! Thanks for watching 👌
@@classicjetskis is there anything to add to stay in the best of conditions? thank you for the feedback I appreciate that and love the content.
What I would say if you want to maintain longevity of craft, then just stick to bolt on mods, such as uprated sponsons, intake gates, impellers and then on the engine side, a retune thats not pushing the craft stupidly beyond its capability's will be fine. But IMO stock is just the best route and if you're truly not happy with the performance of your craft, then go to the next model up the tier... For example I 1000% want my spark to be faster and there are things for sure I could do, but I know in doing so it will effect the balance in one shape or form, so if I want faster I ride my stock 951 GSX or XP... the same is true with all PWCs... IMO if you want faster than 300hp GTR then you need to look at the new 325s, but IMO a stock 300 will hit 70mph so what do you really need to mod? Thanks for watching
Good take, but I think the GTRX may be lost in the sauce for many people; price dependent of course. There are gonna be a lot of people who cannot afford it, and those who can will simply choose a GTX or one of the new 325 boats instead. It COULD be an option to keep pace with the other 300+ boats, but the hull makes it not nearly as optimal for long rides. Its why the GTR went away for a model year (or two, if I recall). Spark Trixx with a 110 or even a 130 engine would absolutely slap compared to this.
I do agree mate, most won't understand the merit of this model...In a way I feel like Seadoo think this is the best response to riders asking for a Spark X 🤦♂🤦♂ Whilst you make good points about GTX (ST3) being a better hull for long distance, this video is more geared towards how, if like me you're looking for playfulness in your ride and want real performance that can compete with 300hp machines, then the GTRX is the best there is (On paper that is...only time will tell)... Obviously if I had my way, I would have a 1630hp in a spark and have 170 lol, but thats likely unrealistic as Seadoo knows overnight the GTI 130 and 170 will become redundant... IMO the Seadoo line up should be a Spark as the lightweight playful offering, but needs to 60mph... Then GTR/GTX 300 as midground and then RXP/RXT 325 as top of the tree race crafts... I would also add, I think most would sacrifice a little bit of long distance rideability/comfort, if its means more playful characteristics at the lake/beach scenarios. Thanks for watching ✌✌
I went GTR cuz I already have a trixx. I like playful over carving so I didn’t go rxp. Maybe on the next one.
@@Vikturus2k6 I would say thats a good move, the RXP T3 is a great race machine, but recreationally you want a balance of performance and playful IMO. When we get a Spark X, sell old 90hp and GTR and just have the one... Enjoy it dude
@@classicjetskis Oh yeah for sure, I totally get that you were making the point that this is a more playful hull that finally has the 300 engine as an option, and could "low key" be the best 300 option if you are like us and want an old school fun play around ski for the lake. I'd gladly take a 1630 SparkX with a 130 (you can tune it to 170), hell I'd take a TR1 swap Spark since that has 110.
While mulling it over I think a Spark that can reliably do 60 is wild, but then I think about the SXR, a stand up, can do about 64.
I know the 325 will probably come to the GTX, but the GTX will always be marketed as the Top of the line ski unto only itself. I think you are right there should be tiers, but I envision 4 or 5 instead of 3; 1)Spark 2)GTI 3) specialty models (Fish Pro, Wake, Explorer) 4) performance (RXPX headlining with RXTX and GTRX as options) and 5) Luxury GTX.
Just my two cents. Love the content.
@@badm0t0rf1ng3r I would literally pay insane money for a 1630 spark, but that I think is not going to happen, I think it will be a turbo or them put a snowmobile engine into the same hull...
I hear what you're saying about older skis and the fact that there are still faster 2 strokes, but I think 60mph stock on a spark would be a near perfect package...there is so much about the spark that makes modern day skiing that much easier, from the closed loop cooling, extended VTS, more stable for longer rides, whilst not to the detriment of the playfulness and the engine is bomb proof... the main area the spark shines vs say a GSX is the first 20mph launch in sports mode.... that fly by wire is so smooth and consistent... Although a GSX would still eventually outrun a 60mph spark, it would be minimal... 4mph can be levelled with a bit of chop... with any ski, the top speed is based on smooth ride conditions. In a nut shell IMO 60mph is a perfect top speed... anything more is a bonus but not necessary unless you need it, that is for racing that is... Really appreciate your detailed comment and interesting take on it mate....
I also think your tiering is fair... I guess the issue is if we get a Spark X that hits 60mph, that is a race machine right there in its own class... so maybe that is the issue, they would need to split the spark between 2 product category's and that doesn't make a lot of sense, as I don't ever see them getting rid of the 60 and 90hp sparks as they reside now. I see them giving us a limited edition X like the APEX and that is 1000% a performance ski then... if you think xp 951 or gp 1300 back in the day, they were called performance machines... as anything that hits 60mph is impressive top end.
This is why i have a spark and a gp1800 svho lol
I would have liked to see some video of you riding the GTR X 300. I always hear that the GTI hull is playful, let's see what it does. Did you ride the GTR?
I'm working on it dude... I'm hoping to do a test ride on both the new GTRX 300 and RXP 325 T3 hull. I can confirm I rode a 170 GTI and that is super playful (for a bigger craft that is...never going to be a spark or XP) When I ride a GTRX I will make a follow up. Thanks for watching ✌
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I hear you dude, horses for courses... 2 strokes is the answer right.... thanks for watching 😎✌
GTR X 300 or GTX-LTD 300????
For me it’s got to be the GTR X 300 with the Polytec 2 hull vs the ST3 hull in the GTX LTD… just because I want a more playful loose hull and the Polytec hull is more playful than the compliant ST3… that said if you want to eat through chop and have a compliant ride then the GTR would likely be a handful and annoying.
I’m hoping to test the GTR X 300 soon so can then make a follow up video, as rode my dads ST3..
Thanks for watching
Thanks for replying. So can you say that the ST3 hull is more reliable and balanced for a family ride?
Anyone ever ride a Kawasaki Ultra 150…? Ultra quick & playfull
I owned one back in the day, was great fun ski.
No but alot of followers have said get one...TBH the main Kaw ski on my bucket list is a X2 as they are pretty iconic...I may have to put a 150 on the list...Tell me more mate? What are the engines like to work on? Thanks for watching 👌
@@JoshDK- Nice man 👌👌
@@classicjetskiswas quick and great in the surf. Stable/planted enough that you could play in the white water and not get pushed over, but nimble enough to man handle around anything and jumps like a Boss!! Some of my best ever jumps where on a 150
Nice man, sounds like a blast! If one comes up I must look into it more. Thanks again for watching
May aswell have a bloody boat with the size of todays skies!😂
But then you have boat costs: storage, insurance, gas, etc... Its considerably cheaper to own a ski!
This is true but sadly modern day PWC's are now large machines and if you want new its big sadly... If I had my way, a high performance machine would be no bigger than a spark, full gel and 1630 like old school RXP, but that would take a lot more skill to ride and seadoo want mass market appeal, which that wouldn't be. Thanks for watching
@@badm0t0rf1ng3r Good point, its even cheaper to own a 2 stroke in the first place, a good running 951 can be picked up for 2k... starting price of 300hp machine is 20k... so that's 18k in the pocket... Prices sadly are silly now.
There's 98 gsx Ltd on eBay for £1500 ono at the moment. It looks pretty clean too... I would much rather have a gsx than any new ski... older is miles better 👌👍.... superb channel 👌
@@benjolly354 Yeh I saw that mate, I love my GSX 1999 so much and if it wasn't for the fact I have an example that is pristine, I would ride it week in week out...Sadly however with it now being 25 years old and being a classic...I want to keep it clean. So there is a new/gap for a new gen work horse ski. A spark has proven that the 900 ace will do 500 hours without a rebuild...most I've seen on the 951 is 250-300 but there will be alot of love and attention to get it there vs a spark that is pretty bomb proof... I think having both is the perfect set up IMO. Keep the classics clean and ride them on rotate and have a spark/gtrx as new gen work horse.
All fun in games till the hull gets cracked in the first ride and sinks
I hear your point on Polytec, but I think in Seadoo's defence I think Polytec on the whole has done a great job at proving its durability... even on my Spark Polytec hull, what I put that through, I think a gel coat would struggle... I think on both Gel and Polytec 2, the main area of concern would be big wave jumping... with the gel coat hulls its outright cracking we have seen as the main issue.... with Polytec 2 GTI/GTR its the bond line that can be the weak point.... Only time will tell. Thanks for watching 🙌