How to Install Ultima Harley Davidson Evo Motor Dyna FXD Ignition Upgrade Kit
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- Installing a new Ultima ignition in your evo motor Harley? I step you through the whole process. Ultima has an awesome ignition kit to upgrade or replace your original ignition system. It is very similar to the old Crane Hi-4 ignition system as well.
I'm installing this on my 1998 Harley Davidson FXDL Dyna Low Rider. The steps are basically the same for any evo motor Harley, though the location of the connectors, ignition box, ignition coil, etc are different. I think if you watch this, you'll be able to figure it out easily on any other evo model.
This is the Ultima 53-660 Single Fire ignition kit.
Hit me up in the comments with any questions! - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
One of the best videos if not the best. Clear and concise. Well done and helpful.
Great, thanks! Glad to help!!
Great video, great how to install. I have been think of putting one in my evo. Could not have found your video at better time. Thanks for sharing. Cheers
No problem 👍
Have to agree completely with Eugene Steiner
"One of the best videos if not the best. Clear and concise. Well done and helpful"
I can't think of a better way to describe it!
Thanks! Glad it helped!
Good Video, well thought out and executed process. Thanx, this will save me time for sure.
Thanks Ray! Glad it helped.
Thank you for the vid! My original possition senser melted over time. By the time I actually replaced it with the Ultima, it was completely melted (the insulation goo) and can't believe it even worked. It was missing etc, NOW THE BIKE CAME ALIVE! 98 Wide Glide
Right on, glad it helped! The Ultima is a great ignition, run it on many bikes and it has always worked very well and been super reliable.
This is great !!! I also have 1998 FXD with that same hooker header but I didn't think the midcontrols would work with it but I see it does great video! Hope to see more!!!!
Yes the mids fit great with the hooker header, no problem. I did originally have a Superbrace connecting the transmission to engine, but it would not clear the mids so I sold it.
I use this exact ignition system on my 99 Evo Chopper...I was burning up coils before ,now my coil stays cool to the touch and the bike runs fantastic. I installed this in 30 minutes this is the easiest ignition system to install and program ever!
Right on, that was my experience too, super easy to install. I'm running it on my Shovelhead now too and it works great.
@damny when you put this on do you have to static time the bike by rotating the back wheel till the marks get in the hole...
@@bloodbatteries4797 up date I installed this and bike starts right up......time it by just turning it just a little bit to the right.......
Excellent video dude
Thanks man I appreciate it!
Thank you for posting this.
You're welcome!
Thank you so much I'm going to order one today and put it on next week. It should get my 95 Wide Glide moving again. Voltage regulator went bad and instantly burned up everything from the headlight to the battery to the ignition.
Right on, should work great. I'm running one on my current FXR and it's excellent.
Straight and to the point video. Good camera work on disconnecting the module and ignition cam plate. Would love to see how you timed the bike through the timing hole TDC. Thanks..................
Thanks! Sorry I sold the bike awhile ago. I've got another 98 Dyna in the shop now, might do a video on that. I think it has a Screaming Eagle external ignition module in it though, I'll have to double check.
I am trying to determine if my Dyna 200i module is faulty. Bike craps out like crazy and fuel and coil test good. The specks say the red led light should flash once when key it turned on to verify system operation, and then blink off and on when running. My module red led light will not turn on when ignition is turned on or when cranking it over. The tech at Dyna tek said it may not be necessary for the red led light to turn on for module to be good. Any thoughts on this? Thanks.
@@savnbest4last249 Very common for ignition module failures. I've had a Dynatek and a CompuFire ignition module fail in the past. Bike will start to run really poorly, and have a very noticeable ignition miss, if it doesn't completely die. As far as I know, if the red LED is not flashing, it is not firing correctly, or at all. It's possibly but unlikely the LED burned out. This is very similar to what happened on a 96 Evo electra glide I had when the ignition pickup in the nosecone was failing. I would go ahead and replace the ignition, it will likely solve your problem.
Very good job
Thanks! Glad it was helpful.
very well explained
Glad you think so!
Great video, I bought a kit for my 83 fxwg shovelhead. How much different is it from this video...?
Also, could you explain how to time the motor.
Should be a great kit for your shovel. I haven't installed one on a shovel, but the process is pretty similar I think. I'll try and do another video on timing the motor from a new installation with this kit.
I have one in my shovel, my ironhead and my Evo. It’s very straight forward if you follow the directions. Woke up my shovel quite a bit.
Considering one for my 86 evo hard tail.
Steven Smith I'm still very happy with mine. Still running great daily on my Dyna. Excellent ignition for the price.
Great video did you have to modify wires for your tach ? ( if it’s stock?) I have 97’fxdl was wondering before I buy myself. Thx. Looking for how to modify my 01 sporty that I already did this upgrade to & the aftermarket tach does not work.
No modification needed. Tach output on the ignition worked perfectly with the stock gauge.
I added one to my 1995 FLHR 2012 it is still going strong after 20,000 miles only thing bad is the 2 led lights have went out , But it is still working , each Bike has difference on how to do it . I cut mine off 16 long and used the wires from my bike , I did cut the white wire Coil and the Purple VOSE under the fuel tank the ignition wire was to short to reach past the tank , I used Solder and shrink tape on my wires, the ends of the white and purple going back to the Module I just folded over and used shrink tape to keep them free from grounding out . from the red and black wire I ran new wires to the coil , the green I hooked to the green the 2 from the coil I removed I folded and used shrink tape and zip tied to the harness under the tank everything is still in place if i ever chose to go back to stock. And that is not going to happen
Right on, glad yours is working well too. Mine has been great and rock solid on my Dyna, no complaints.
Cool
Getting ready to install this on a stripped down / chopped Evo XL. Could you explain here how to set and fine tune the timing?
The bike will run pretty much anywhere in the adjustment range of the ignition. To start, I set it dead center. The service manual will say to check static timing with a timing light through the timing plug on the left/flywheel side of the motor, just under the front cylinder. In practice this is ridiculous. Even with a clear plastic timing window plug, you can't see anything. Without it, you will blow oil everywhere out the hole. I gave up on that. I time them by ear and feel. Get it running in the center of the adjustment range, then go ride the bike. Advance the timing for best performance, listen for pinging when under load, then back off/retard the ignition a bit. If the motor is hard to start or kicks back, you are too advanced, retard it a bit more. Doesn't take long to dial it in.
@@OctaneElectrons Awesome sounds simple! I like that! :D Thanks for the help!
great video but any questions .....because you did not use a stroboscope gun?
it is necessary for a good regulation or it can be done without?
No I didn't use a timing light to time it. I've done enough of these to set the timing by ear. You certainly can if you want to be more accurate.
thanks
Im going to be doing mine this weekend. What did you do withe wires you didnt end up using? Im thinking of just pulling those out to clean everything up.
Just tied them up under coil cover if I remember right.
Hey, first of all, really well done vid! I have one question, I got a 1995 fxds and I’m using an electronic speedo with integrated tach from Daytona digital. It uses this three pin triangle connenector. I would guess for the tach. Do you know if there is any possibility to use the connector? Do you have a circuit plan of what you did?
I am really clueless 😅
Sorry my English is not the best.
Hi Tim. The triangle 3-pin connector is the timing pickup output to the ignition box. They may have used this same connector on their tachometer, but you can't plug the timing pickup directly into it. You still need to run the timing pickup into the ignition box. There should be a wire on the bike's harness that provides the tachometer signal I would guess. What is the model of speedo/tach you're using? I'll look at it and see if I can tell you how to hook it up.
hey how is your ignition doing so far? I heard some mixed results about this ignition I just bought one myself. great video by the way.
It's working great, no problems at all. I'm definitely happy with the Ultima ignition.
On my 90 FXR I only get 10.5 volts on my white wire.even with a full 12 .3 volt charge on my battery. Will that work with this system.
Sounds like you might have a bad wire or connection. Yes it would probably still work, but I would troubleshoot that voltage drop first.
I turn on the key and both red and green lights just flash. All it does. Got any idea
Check your wiring, sounds like it is hooked up to the sensor module wrong.
Great video! Can you please tell me what bars are on that bike? Thanks
TC Bro's 12" narrow apes. My favorite harley bar!
@@OctaneElectrons thanks 👍
Why doesn't anyone do a video about how to install an external electronic ignition kit in a shovelhead single fire of course, I can't find a video on that anywhere, and can you static time them also?
Sorry, don't have a shovelhead, yet. Though I'm in the market for one. The shovel and evo bottom ends are very similar as far as i know. If you find a video applying to an evo it should be the same process. There are plenty of videos about static timing out there, I did not include that in my video.
Hello great video can you connect up to the new module to a laptop and download other maps
thank you.
Yes you can. You need the adapter cable to plug it in to computer, but you can fully program it that way. Here is info on the cable:
sites.google.com/site/vrusb2000i/
Hello! can you tell me how many amps this double connector should support? thanks for the video!
Which connector are you referring to?
@@OctaneElectrons the one we used for the violet and green ignition wires
Hey mate, you put SW1 to off but you are using a voes? Is that correct or did you later switch it to on?
I've just installed an Ultima ignition, I have spark but the bike won't start. I don't have a voes and per the manual I thought sw1 had to be off?
I was using a stock VOES switch. You want to leave SW1 OFF for normal VOES operation. Per their instructions:
SW1 - OFF , using Normal VOES switch
(USING VOES) - Allows timing to reach full advance by 1500 rpm under light engine load conditions,
improving throttle response and gas mileage when the VOES is present. Wide open throttle follows selected
pre-set curve. (high vacuum curves)
No matter what, this switch setting would not affect your bike starting. The VOES switch is only affect by a big vacuum change. You definitely have some other issue causing the no start problem.
@@OctaneElectrons ah ok, I have no voes so I assume I still leave sw1 off?
I found my issue, almost too simple to mention, I had the pink and blue on the wrong cylinders, derr
@@cameronnoonan8546 haha ya that would do it. Yes you would want to leave SW1 OFF. You only turn it ON to use the VOES wire as a timing retard trigger, meaning the Purple wire becomes an input for a switch to retard the timing map. If you don't have nitrous or turbo, there is no need for this functionality. Leave the SW1 OFF and if you're not using a VOES switch, the purple wire will never be triggered to change the timing anyways.
Where do you get 12v off the coil white wire going out
If I remember right, the White wire is already +12V keyswitched to power the coil.
What kind of exhaust is that? I have a 95 fxd with the same pipe but no baffle I need to find the baffle lol
It was pretty rare. From Hooker, called a Tuned Flow 2 into 1. I loved that exhaust, sounded great. The cap on the muffler could be installed 2 ways, 180* opposite for different back pressure.
Thanks alot I appreciate it. I was trying to find who makes it so I can try and search for that
Tp motor fired up first hit
Great!
can i use the stock coil i have the cam sensor as u do ect
You can't use the stock coil as this is a Single Fire system. You need a 3 terminal coil that can fire front and back cylinders separately.
You can if you run dual fire
Hello dude, I need your advice
What's up?
Is it working still today 12/1/20
I sold the bike awhile ago, but I assume so.
Dose it give u more power? Like hp
Yes over a stock ignition it is a slight performance increase with the new timing maps. Paired with intake and exhaust it can make a significant difference.
@@OctaneElectrons okay thanks I did my exhaust in my intake just looking to see what else I can do next thanks have a happy holidays
@@newwavepressure6478 Thanks and you too! I would definitely look at an ignition upgrade next, it is worthwhile.
Great vid right up until up didn’t show you actually timing it. Bummer
The video was meant to show the installation process, which is about the same on any bike. Depending on your motor and mods, I can't cover all the combinations of correct ways to set up the ignition and time the motor. That parts up to you and your particular bike!
Any problems? Mine just failed after 500 miles. Rear cylinder not firing, pink wire had no juice before coil. Sucks, I just received new one and getting ready to install
Wrong, in the instructions they tell U not to use the original ignition rotor that the gold one is necessary for the the module's performance.
I'm sure they do, but the timing cutouts on the old and new rotor are identical. I can tell you for sure they are interchangeable, however you might as well use the new one provided with the kit.
@@OctaneElectrons my oil pump went out on my 96 flhtcui (efi)..I'm putting a ultima ignition system in it,and ev27 cam as well,and adjustable pushrods,, I have great spark,but not getting gas..I have tried both rotary cups,,original, and the one supplied with ultima system..they are both gold, but very different in shape.original has half cup cut out, ultima one only has 2 small notches, 1 strait across from the other,,,I cannot get either to fire injectors,,,do you know what I'm doing wrong as I'm a fairly knowledgeable but cant figure this on out..everything seems correct,but injectors not firing...help !!!
I got off track a bit,,,when my oil pump sheared a key,,my thought is it got hot in nose cone (cam cover) and when I pulled the cam cover off,,the wax in ignition module was melted,,I repaired oil pump,,but while I was in it,,I also put ev27, lifters,and pushrods...the bike was still running when I started doing the work,however,with the melted ignition module, I didn't want to put back in, because of the melt damage even tho it still worked..this is what led up to the ultima ignition 53-660 which is suppose to work in a evo with e.f.i.,,,,but as I stated, great fire,no fuel,,,I've tried both cups,different shaped,both gold,,,but absolutely not firing injectors,,,I hope that caught you up as for what happened,,and how I got to where I'm at now,,,thank you again
@@michaelpayne5265 the ignition doesn’t trigger the injectors. I’m sure you’ve figured that out by now. FI models use a crank or cam position sensor to trigger the injectors. If you disconnected the cpu when you installed the new ignition you need to connect the cps for the computer to fire the injectors. The cps tells the computer when to inject fuel in the cylinder. There are ignitions with external modules that will do this, they plug in where the old module was. This ignition doesn’t support the injectors. If yours does, look to the cps for the issue. It may need cleaned or replaced.
If the bike has the gold cup already, it’s fine. The issue was some of the early ignitions had a silver cup, those won’t work.
Troubleshoot
uh huh