MOZA R5 Detailed Long Term Review | Is it time to upgrade your Logitech G923/G920/G29/G27/G25?
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Making the leap into direct drive is one that needs to be researched properly. Having been a long term Logitech G (non DD) owner in the past, I dreamt of a product which gives a simple bundle offering, without the crazy expense.
In this video I also take a look at the SR-P Lite clutch, CM Dashboard, SR-P Brake upgrade kit, the desk clamp and all of the amazing MOZA wheels including the ES, GS, FSR, RS and CS.
On paper it looks great, but how did it fare out in my Long Term Review process?
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Start: 0:00
1. Introduction: 0:38
2. First Impressions: 2:09
3. Price: 3:12
4. Installation Hardware: 4:05
5. Installation Software: 6:22
6. SR-P Lite Pedals (with clutch): 8:12
7. ES Steering wheel: 8:10
8. CM Dashboard: 11:33
9. Force Feedback: 12:38
10. Final Thought: 13:47
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I just got my R5 bundle with the brake mod and clutch pedal. It’s an upgrade from my G29. The difference is huge!! The amount of detail in driving is amazing. I would recommend this to anyone. Great value.
This comment means as much as my whole review to some people. Thanks for taking the time
same
@@Aldin.C same her i love it
TS-PC and T-LCM pedals or MOZA R5 and SRP LoadCell pedals (with clutch pedal)? Hard to decide...
How are you finding the pedals? Are the G29 pedals really better? I'm also on a G29 considering the R5 bundle upgrade :)
Waited all day for this👍🏻
Cheers! It was a very difficult review with loads of bits and pieces to it. I wanted to do it justice :)
Great video dude good to see stuff like this as thinking to make the move to DD
Thanks for watching! Yeah I try to cover all ends of the spectrum when it comes to sim racing. Hope it gave you some food for thought
I've just upgaded from my G29 to a R5 with SRP pedals + mod from GT Omega and amazing how different it is massive improvement to my sim drive experience and highly recommend the change
Glad to hear it. Yeah it's a HUGE change and I want to be conscious not to OVER sell it to people because some people have unrealistic expectations for this level of equipment. Glad you're enjoying it
im going to buy my first ever wheel the G29
I’m so happy with my r5 bundle. It’s perfect for my casual sim itch.
awesome!!!
The Moza software is phenomenal your have control over EVERYTHING and i live it
yep it's good
About to buy this one as soon as I will be able to actually buy it.
Seems like a great deal, first wheel for over 10 years.
Hope it will be just as good as reviews say!
Let us know :)
Nice video I had sub. I’m waiting on mine from China. I didn’t realize I could’ve drove an hour up to Micro Center. It just picked one up smacking myself in the face. Look forward to some of your streaming.
Thanks for the comment. Hope you get it soon! See you on stream!
Hi Laurence! Great, informative, and insightful video! Thank you! My R5 bundle with pedal upgrade should arrive in 2 days time (Amazon $499 USD). Brand new sim guy..but after diligent research, agree this will be a great bang for the buck entry level rig! Planning a GT Omega wheelstand mounting solution.
Awesome!!! Oh you’re gonna LOVE it
I'm a recent r5 bundle owner and I love it. It's a nice upgrade over my old t300.
I'm from the UK and purchased it via gt omega and it arrived within 2 days. I aslo have the cm dash which is a nice addition. I have my wheel base slightly tilted and the view through the default wheel isnt perfect but useable. I do have the f1 wheel mod and this vastly improves the view to the cm dash, plus the f1 wheel mod feels better in response compared to the default wheel.
I agree with the review about the pedals, I use the tlcm load cell pedals and this compliments the r5 nicely. This review is very good with very accurate information.
Thanks for the great comment! I try to review products as if I just bought them and own them. They are on my main (and only) rig and I use them for all my league racing. So I get to experience all the things that others experience too. Comments like yours give great credibility to my process. Obviously not everyone will always agree but I’d like to thank you for taking the time to react
@@LaurenceDusoswa You're welcome it was a good review which must of taken a lot of time to put together.
@@TheWeller1980 cheers yeah! Too much time for something I don’t get paid for but it’s my choice 😂😂😂
Using TLCM pedals with my R5 as well great combo!
Can you really feel the difference between the T300 and the r5? I'm considering buying it but don't know if it is worth it. how far away is the r5 to the t300 in detail in the force feedback? do you think the double price is justified?
Great Video. Great Review. And Great comments too.
I was thinking about buy the Thrustmaster T300 RS GT but now i'm thinking to buy the Moza R5 (maybe individually with SRP Pedals.. about USD 130 more expensive buying separately).
DD is totally worth it
I have a Thrustmaster TX with a Open Wheel Add-on and T3PM pedals and I just order the Moza R5 2 days ago.
Bare in mind that I ordered the R5 not bundled, I bought the GS V2 steering wheel and the SR-P (non lite) pedals to complete it.
It was out of stock where I orderer it so I'll have to wait almost a month or even more for it, the waiting is killing me! Can't wait!
Ps. I didn't ordered it from your link because I am European and the taxes here are 23%! It would cost me 200 Euros more because of it plus shipping, I ordered from a local store that had the taxes already included in the price and the shipping is free.
AWESOME!!! Enjoy ❤️❤️❤️
Great review! I'm currently thinking about getting back to sim racing and buying this bundle. Coming from the Fanatec's CSR Forza wheel era so the upgrade would be huge from my point of view. You mentioned that pedals can also be used nicely on the floor. Was that with or without the brake performance kit?
I really don't have a problem with the cs wheel on my r5 im really glad i got that wheel especially when drifting it helps a ton
nice. newer CS wheels are less heavy than what I have but if you're used to better slew rates, you feel the lag. if you come from an older non DD wheelbase, the difference is still huge!
Great Review
Thanks man ❤️ cheers for leaving a comment
I bought my r5 bundle about a month ago and it is works better than my g29 since then ive bought Mozas hgp shifter and handbrake and a CS wheel the clutch and brake performance kit is been very worth it i only paid $424 for the initial bundle at microcenter so glad i got it
nice!
Looks nice! Now I know Stu's secret weapon which keeps him awake while driving. BTW, you should work a little bit on your playback skills around 6:30 or sync, whatever you prefer 😜
Hahaha yeah that was footage from another video 😂
I have purchased one of these after upgrading from a logitech driving force pro. I think this will be a welcome improvement.
awesome
Bought the bundle. Booted up Automobilista 2 (my #1 sim), started a race, got about 1/4 lap when the wheel turned hard left and put me in the wall. Glad I didn’t try the 8 nm! Returned it. I had high hopes, but now I’m back to my old rig.
That’s really nowhere near enough time to get used to it or set it up correctly
why would you return it? The wheel is amazing
I’m new to sim racing I don’t have a wheel set up yet but after watching reviews moza seems to be the best options though it’s not cheap but I believe in buying once and being done so ima save up for the r5 bundle meanwhile ima learn how the the in’s and outs of some racing I like to enjoy the journey and not rush through it 😎🤙🏾
It’s an insanely good price since it’s only 100 more than the g series for logitech
Just bought mine after using an old driving force gt for years!
Just want to add to this, I purchased the same setup but instead I chose to buy them individually so I could get the srp pedals with the load cell. Doesn't come with the clutch I will add that later. The total came to $607 US with extra for shipping. Only down side is I'm still waiting on my ES wheel as they were apparently not available for domestic shipping.
nice one
Some of the B-Roll is quite interesting 😂
It's my 'thing' :p
A week ago upgraded from a g29 and it’s a brilliant decision
Awesome!!!
Hopefully you can get a long term review of moza crp pedals too!
We’ll see what happens :)
@@LaurenceDusoswa looks like theres already plans huh? Hahaha cuz from what ive heard a lot of revisions have been done already to the crp pedals also crps cost 100 usd less than csl elite v2s here
@@franneeh4703 honestly, no. There are no plans right now. But if you want me to, contact moza or your local reseller and ask them to contact me if they’re interested
Got mine yesterday and i really love it my wife bought it for me❤❤
I shall have to buy it myself but my wife will still scream at me...
@@philiptownsend4026 I know a guy that just wanted to play with sim, and his ex wife didnt let him play. Now he is happy.
I just got mine in Switzerland from one shop here for 485$ limited deal ❤🎉 and its my first wheel. will be upgrade from controller.. cant wait !
NICE!!!
Thanks for the great / transparent review and specially not only for speaking about cons and pros but more for explaining the reason for it. I drive cars since almost 22 years and i could imagine how it feels having really bad pedals but with real life cars is different because they are mostly build either in very old or less expensive and powerful cars and you get used to it fast. But i cant imagine to have a gas or a break pedal from my first Skoda from 1984 which had no abs, pedals like for a traktor and put them in a 911 GT3 for example.
Thumbs up. i have subscribed to the channel. Cheers mate!
As someone that has the R5 bundle on the way, I sort of figured I need to upgrade the pedals early on. I did also purchase the clutch and brake upgrade kit but I know I need load cell eventually. I guess the question is are the SRP pedals with load cell a decent upgrade or should I be looking at a different brand? The price point of them is good and I like the idea of having software that can control all my hardware with one single pane of glass.
I would get the Fanatec CSL elite v2 pedals
Hi great video any issues with the heat of the base ?
I much prefer the SRP-Lites (with Brake performance kit) over the pedals and so called brake kit that came with my Thrustmaster T300RS GT edition
Nice one! This will also be useful info for others looking to upgrade
thats helpful ngl, looking to upgrade too
I am quite happy with my R5 bundle. Pedals have been replaced with sprints. stock pedals are placeholders. its a shame as they are very well made. another shame is the less than stellar performance with full sized wheels and in hind sight I would just buy a R9 and CS V2 if I had to do it again. also moza is VERY slow to ship if you order direct. I canceled both my orders after a week of waiting with no shipments.
Great comment ❤️ very useful for those in a similar position
Thank you. I was mulling over an R5 wheelbase only but was going to get the 305mm ES steering rim (I don't like the standard D-shaped ES wheel) and had concerns over whether the greater diameter would dull the wheelbase. I think I might wait for the R9v2 to come back into stock and pay the extra.
Having trying the Mozart R9 decided to get the Logitech Pro racing wheel. Just got my new wheel price came in about the same as R9 because of a coupon.
Nice! That’s a sweet deal!!!
Sorry for another comment buddy. Really like your reviews mate.
Will you being doinga Moza R16/R21 v Simucube and the like comparison in the future? Would be great to see how they compare to the more established and renowned wheel bases.
Never apologise for comments :) I haven’t used the r21 but yes I will be doing a wheelbase vs video in the coming months for sure
@@LaurenceDusoswa that's brilliant news! Should make my and no doubt many others decisions, a lot easier. If they have already bought in to the Moza ecosystem. Thank you buddy 👌
yep shipping to the states isnt good about 200 for a base and wheel. it seem to be sold out at the us retailers. im thinking of getting the sim magic alpha mini but the wheels are pricey
The wheels are pricey yeah but also totally worth it
Hi Laurence, love the video! I just have one question, due to the fact I don't have much room and cannot fit a racing seat into my office, I would like to mount the wheelbase onto my Nitro concepts desk. My worry is, would I be able to push the pedal base against the wall under my desk without the pedals touching the wall when they're being used? Bit of a weird question and don't worry if you don't understand what I'm trying to say, figured it'd be worth a go.
There is some grip on the pedals but ideally you would mount them to something or have a block of wood behind them to stop them from sliding
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thanks for the reply, is it possible to just get a pedal mount?
Recently got the R5 bundle to replace my T150 with T3PA pedals - its night and day how much better DD wheels are - I agree with you on the pedals though, I prefer my old T3PA BUT I do have the brake kit coming in a few weeks so hopefully thatll make the brake pedal more consitant and easier to use
Also coming from a T150 its insane the little FFB details you get from a DD wheel - The driving is much more fun IMO and much easier to catch spins etc - I just wish I had a proper sim seat setup so I could make full use of the bundle
PS for the UK Crew - I ordered my bundle from GTOMEGA and it arrived 2 days later
Awesome great comment. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Lukcy you man. A Week later and I am still wiating for mine to arrive.
I bought this bundle a couple of weeks ago, moving from the logitech G923. I've got to say that the wheelbase is fantastic and I love it! It's great for dipping your toes in to DD if you're on a budget and want to get away from coginess of the belt/gear driven wheelbases. The pedals are only good for the bin imo. The logitech pedals are so much better but with them being proprietary to wheel. I went ahead and paired the R5 with the VRS DFP break and throttle set. Which are amazing btw! Loving this combo.
I do want to upgrade to a stronger wheel base at the end of the year. More so for to have more dynamic range and bigger buffer. As opposed to having it set to stupidly high FFB. So I have been looking at the Simagic alpha and Simucube Pro. But I will be getting the Moza GS V2 before then. So I'm thinking now that staying with Moza eco system might be the smarter choice. Especially for my personal needs and get the R21 instead. I spend a lot of time away with work. Which means I'm moving my desk setup to and from work. Sticking with moza means I could keep the R5 at work and the R21 hooked up to aluminium profile rig at home. When I buy a solid rig too ofcourse. So less money I'd have to spend if I want race at both locations. Less things to lug about too ofcourse.
Wow you r5 owners are KILLING IT with these amazing comments! Another excellent comment here. The r21 is bound to be amazing. I love the r16 ffb. I think the r21 would be a great investment for you for all the reasons you mention. Nice choice on the pedals too. You seem like the type of person who is properly doing their research and making educated decisions. Talking about dynamic range and stuff like that.
Comments like this make the effort I put into these videos worth it. Thank you.
PERFECT BUNDLE!!!!
The vrs pedals are for me too, the only ones I plan to buy at the moment (csl v2 was the economical option).
This set will already be very optimized, to go chase the clock
@@THESHADOW97139 for sure. When I moved to the R5 and VRS pedals. In my first evening of getting used to the new setup. I took over 2secs off my lap times! But not only did I smash my hotlap time. I could consistently race at a pace 2 seconds faster then I previously could. Consistency is super important imo. I'd argue more important then speed. This is something that's not always covered as to why having decent and solid rigs are important. They provide so much more consistency in your driving. Consistency will always improve your speed. Not the other way round.
@@BoosiveFPV You explained the situation very well!!
I think I can take the step before the end of the year, but for the moment, I must first complete the upgrade of the pc😃
@@THESHADOW97139 yeh that's an important component too lol. I'm using a lenovo legion 5 gaming laptop atm. Hooked up to a 27 inch monitor. It runs acc well. I do want to stream though which is the bottleneck with this setup unfortunately. So I will look to get a desktop myself next year as well. Use that to race on and then solely use the lappy to stream with. Will get top performance then and won't lose any frames when I want to stream my racing.
looking to buy a DD oon enough, Moza has seemed like the obvious choice for a while but Fanatec have released the CSL DD for a similar price, there's the t818 from thrustmaster and the logitech pro for a little more.
We finally have "affordable" direct drive options, and moza kickstarted the whole thing. (i know 600 odd quid is still a lot of money but it's night and day compared to a few years ago)
thanks moza
yeah it's amazing to have decent choice in that range now
Hello! In Windows 11, do you foresee any updates for the Steam platform compatibility with games like forza horizon 4, the crew 2, bus simulations etc? Thanks...
Looking forward to trying out this product. Word of advice to anyone who is thinking about ordering direct... DONT! It took them 4 weeks to simply ship my order and it will take another 10-22 buisiness days to recieve said order...
ouch. Yeah I've heard that direct orders can be slow
That's my tennis ball mod 🤣
Works well.
Would you recommend skipping the brake kit and just going full tennis ball? 😄
Sooo... as someone who is on a budget, do you think I should get the R5 + brake kit + formula mod for ~£640, or the R9 + GS + some second-hand load cell pedals for ~£1000? I can afford the latter, but would rather not have to, haha. I have an NLR Wheel Stand DD, which seems rock solid with my G29 on it, but I know that's not saying much at all.
The latter is a better setup and worth it
R9 v2 no question. only problem is they dont exsist.
@@slappomatthew yeh, I got the R5 and would definitely like to upgrade in the future, the strength of the wheel is what makes it fun.
My GT Omega Titan cockpit is predrilled for fanatec and thrustmaster and Logitech. I should be able to attach the R5 as long as I only use 2 screws, is that right?
Turns out it's predrilled for R5 too (2023 Titan), I just had to use 2 of the included washers for the front bolts, as they were slightly too long for my plate (the back didn't need them because there are 2 layers of steel there). The pedals have holes for the front and back as well, but I didn't need the giant screws for the footplate because they're not needed for Titan.
I get my R5 in 4 daze!
WOO!!!
got a question cause you have a long term review..: whats about "clipping" at higher ffb´s? (80% or higher)? is there any? ------------and have i seen it right, the GS V2 has nearly the same weight as the ES Wheel? that would be interesting for the R5
the GS and FSR wheels are great on the R5. I wouldn't worry too much about a little bit of clipping, to be honest. when you hit a strong kerb, I'm not sure if feeling understeer will help much anyways :D
@@LaurenceDusoswa just wanna to get sure to have the full 5,5nm without any "serious" clipping...i dont mind little "clips" by taking a curb for example, thats ok to me. thanks anyways :-D
Looking for a T300 originally but the price point was the same as the R5 so Just ordered my R5 bundle with optional clutch and break pedal upgrade. Shipping was a additional $135.00 direct from Moza so price has come down a bit but still expensive.
still expensive yeah! Thanks for the support!
Micro Center caries the bundle i you have one close. I was lucky and do.
Does yours show the pedals are disconnected until you hit the gas or brake? Then it shows connected when I hit the gas. Drops within 1 second after letting go. Is that normal?
@@matthamilton3396 I do not have that problem, I have had it not register the wheel or pedals before when I plugged them in after starting pit house but rebooting my PC fixed the issue.
@@Justanorme cool thanks for letting me know. This is every single time. Only worked once out of like 25+ tries. Thought I fixed it rebooted and it wasn't working again.
Does yours show the pedals are disconnected until you hit the gas or brake? Then it shows connected when I hit the gas. Drops within 1 second after letting go. Is that normal?
Nope. Pedals showed as connected the whole time
$529 and in stock at my local Micro Center. I might replace my G920.
Do it!!!
I've been a happy G29 customer for the past 2 years and haven't felt the need to upgrade to DD, mainly because of the great pedals. But if I did want to upgrade, I'm curious if there's any better bundle out there int he $500-600 range over this Moza R5, or is the R5 still the best option? The fact that you mention the pedals aren't great and worse than the G29 pedals is making me think about other DD options
the DD is still good. try to get it without the pedals and just grab a set of fanatec csl elite v2 pedals
@@LaurenceDusoswa oo interesting, I didn't know we could mix and match them. Thanks
The SRP pedals are not worse than the G29 pedals. What made you come to that conclusion? 🤣
@@Horneycorn did you watch the video?
@@The_18th_Fret Yes, but to say that they are worse than the G29 pedals is simply not true.
Hi everyone,i am thinking to buy a direct drive wheel system.
1.Moza r5 bundle with sr-p lite break kit and f1 wheel mod.
2.Fanatec CSL DD (5nm) with mclaren gt3 v2 ,quick release adapter.
What do you prefer?
I heard that the r5 has some heating issues and in f1 game when you are cornering it loses some force feedback details.
I am so much confused what to buy actually
Drop your suggestions
Thank you!
In the 5Nm bracket, I think the CSL DD wins. The steering wheels are far more interesting and functional. Once you get to 8Nm, I think the Fanatec is competing more with the R9 than the R5. Moza has beautiful round steering wheels but they're heavy so that impacts the force feedback a bit. I think I'd be happier with the Fanatec from a FFB point of view, but the Moza range (once you upgrade) has a lot more quality and satisfaction to it. That doesn’t really answer your question but I’m the 5Nm range, it has to be the Fanatec for me AND you can bump that up to 8Nm for super cheap when you can afford it.
CSL DD easily
Update 10/25/23. Shipping to US is 35$ . Took me 6 weeks to get the R5 bundle
That's not terrible :D
I would if i had a pc.
yeah that's a bummer
Is anybody using this wheel with BeamNG ? Do you have a good setup ? If so, please share, because I cannot configure this wheel to behave in a natural way in BeamNG (it gets abnormally stiff in turns and when sliding). Thanks in advance.
anyone order direct from moza and live in the US? I live in the US and didnt get charged and crazy shipping charges i think it was 22 bucks for shipping.
NICE!
Im never had a sim racing set yet. Dumb question, that r5 can be combined to t-clm pedal?
Yes it can be combined with any other USB devices
Thanks bro.
Was gonna buy a G29. Originally a Fanatec but Fanatec after brexit seems to just now stop selling on UK directly. No other resellers to be found.
But then I found MOZA on places like GT Omega and reputable PC parts Seller OC-UK.
I might just pick the R5 instead of the G29.
Did you get it already? Thinking of buying my first wheel as well. Not sure whether I’ll just go ahead and get a DD or start with a G29. I’m worried about the noise on the Logitech.
It's a good buy, you'll love it
@SirDream got it, even at 5nm it has torque for sure. It trades blows with the Fanatec P1.
Way better than the g29. I tried Asseto corsa competition and iracing so far. What a blast!
I just need to diy my gaming chair into a cockpit now.
And on my too tired to play hard times.
I just load ETS2 and do truck deliveries 😂
@SirDream just a heads up, if you are in the UK.
The Similar Fanatec P1 bundle which has a better pedal set is on sale.
From 549 euros to down to 399 euros. With German VAT if you buy within Europe.
If you buy outside Europe or example You live in the U.K.
It's 399 euros minus the German 19% VAT.
So it's 399 x 0.19 = 75.81 euro
399-75.81 = you pay 323.19 euro no vat.
Convert to UK pounds 323.19 euro is = 277.25 gbp
Now apply UK 20% vat
277.25 x .20 = 55.45
So total for P1 bundle is = 277.25+55.45
332.7 GBP.
With UPS delivery its usually £27 Germany to UK.
332.7 + 27 = £359.7
£359.70 for a P1 Bundle sale
Which is what the Moza is competing with and Moza cost £528 AFAIK at the moment
@SirDream they changed the bundle kit. It was called Fanatec P1 bundle.
Now the same kit is called Fanatec Read2Race bundle for PC and xbox. And it's on sale as the price I mentioned above. As long as your Internet connection knows its outside EU. It will automatically re adjust the price and it removes the German VAT if 19%.
Direct competitor to Moza R5 bundle.
What’s a micro center?
My aul CSL Elite is starting to get nervous :D
Hahahaha DO IT 😂😂😂
@@LaurenceDusoswa You are a bad influence 🤣
@@dgsrdadsgosimracing6720 think of me less like a source of good financial decisions and more like a shoulder to cry on
CSL is scared, sharting his own pants and wetting his bed
I think the CSL DD 5nm bundle is a better choice. Better upgrade path
I’m not sure about that to be honest. It’s definitely better on console though
@@LaurenceDusoswa just because if you buy the csl dd 5nm and decide you need a little more power, you just need the boost power supply for 150€/$, and you get 8nm. With moza you have to sell the R5 base and buy the R9.
@@LaurenceDusoswaFanatec gives you option to upgrade to 8nm and it is also much cheaper in EU, because dd bundle costs €560 with table clamp and shipping where moza costs €579 + VAT(in Poland is 23%) + shipping.
@@mateuszzwierzchowski5295 With Fanatec being a UK company, of course the shipping for Brits and other EU countries would be a cheaper solution. However, in NA, we get shafted for shipping when it comes to Fanatec. The warranty doesn't work in our favor either.
Fanatec is german and the UK is not in the EU 😅
I bought a bundle with extra brake spring for 550euro shipping incl
Does yours show the pedals are disconnected until you hit the gas or brake? Then it shows connected when I hit the gas. Drops within 1 second after letting go. Is that normal?
@@matthamilton3396 no, i have to turn on the power before i open the game. After that no problems accure
@@jasmijnariel ok thanks. Before I open anything in pit house it won't show connected until I hit the gas. I think I have a defective pedal set. It works in game but won't stay connected when I let go of the gas in pit house.
@@matthamilton3396 maybe trying to reconnect everything en reinstall the software? Or check for an update
Yessss
So what wheels will actually work with the r5 i see conflicting results
any wheel with 11 pins. Moza calls these 'v2 rims'.
I think it’s hard to argue against the r5 when it’s in the discussion next to just about any belt or cog driven wheel it’s an obvious no brainier BUT I also think it’s obvious where corners are cut to make the price and I think it starts looking like it’s missing what makes a DD special or what did make them special in the past. 5nm just isn’t enough to truly display what a DD is all about in my opinion, the speed and potent nature of DDs will not be there. It’s also using a 15bit encoder which I think is extremely low resolution for the application… for context for those that may not know, that’s half the resolution of a fanatec csl dd which uses a 16bit encoder, surprised more reviewers dont mention this and do some finer examination on what that means, I bet if you move the wheel very slowly you could detect some delay in movement or slight dead zones, simagic uses 18bit encoders, Simucube and VRS are up at 22bit, Simucube ultimate is up at 24bit… unnecessarily high resolution but kind of highlights where moza are cutting corners here, 22bit is 4 million steps in one rotation, 16bit is around 65k steps, 15bit is half that again at 32k and a bit steps. 32k steps is still a lot in one rotation but I’d argue it’s starting to really take away what makes a DD great which accuracy was always one stand out.
How much can we complain though when price is so reasonable, I don’t know but I do think we are quite a way off true DD experience here even if it’s always going to be technically superior to a Balt or cog, I mean doesn’t this come in cheaper than a Thrustmaster TGT, I think so right, this has to be a better buy than that.
While you are correct about the encoder specs, I purposely tend to not let those things influence my actual experience. Maybe I lack the expertise to notice the difference but unless I’m confident that I could tell the difference between 15bit and 24bit in a blind test, I feel like I have no right to cite it as a reason to or reason not to enjoy a product. There are many other far more tangible factors which impact my reviews. Luckily there are other reviewers who get deep into spec sheets but it just doesn’t interest me more than my actual driving experience.
As you say, the price here is great but regardless of the price, I never had an issue with definition.
half the resolution of a 16 bit encoder is 8 not 15 for those Who don't know. The resolution difference between a 15 bit and 16 bit encoder is so small as to not be worth mentioning.
That’s incorrect OG. A bit is simply a placeholder for a 1 or 0. An extra bit means that the total has twice as many possible values, as it’s binary based. The same way in decimal an extra 0 gives 10 times the possible values.
So the different between 15 bit and 16 but is 100%. However, whether a human can feel the difference on a 360 degree rotation is a whole other question :)
@@LaurenceDusoswa can you me or anyone else see the difference between 16 bits measured at 2N-1 equaling a 0.00001526 ratio and 15 bits measured at 2N-1 equalling a 0.00003052 ratio because that's what we are really talking about that's the difference Even at 2N the ratio stays the same
I can’t tell the difference. I was simply saying that 16 bit is double 15 bit after you said that 16 bit is double 8 bit. More complex maths isn’t going to change that fact :)
It pisses me off that i cant even use it without an aftermarket... thing to make it work
Damn you console compatability
Console licenses cost a tonne of money unfortunately
@@LaurenceDusoswa I know :(
Guys, should i get a r5 with pc. Or g923 with xbox, 32 inch curved monitor
I would go PC For sure. Sim racing on console is very very limited.
just not sure if i should spend the extra 120€ for the r9
If you have it and can miss it, do it. It's a nice upgrade from the R5.
fits the GS V2 WHEEL on the R5 Base aswell?
Yes :)
@@LaurenceDusoswa thank you!
One of the main reasons I got a R5 is simple...that it's NOT licensed with stupid consoles!
I’m. It a fan of console snobbery. Plenty of great driving to be found on consoles too. And excellent communities.
should i just skip the r5 and get r9? i have g29 rn
if you can afford it, yes
my freaking issue is ALOT of those wheels aint fully ROUND ahhhh give me a round wheel from the get go i dont wanna spend 300 bucks extra on a second wheel LMFAO
I thought other Moza wheels wouldn't work on the "little" R5 🤷♂
they do! they work well!
V2 wheels working between R5 and R9.
I tried the moza R9 in iracing not sure about the feedback about that game but for me the Moza lacks detail it's a good price but down the road you want the best we'll go with Logitech G Pro racer.
Depends on the detail you are talking about but I had a great ffb experience in iRacing too
@@LaurenceDusoswa Road details surface
In what fantasy world is the Logitech DD considered the best?
@@lickrish3930 which wheel were you using? I’d bet it was the CS or RS (330mm)
@@dirtywindshield5034 may absolutely swear by it. I loved the ffb too
I can use R5+TGT2 pedal ?
yes you can use any USB devices together
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Sup dawwwwwg. Notification squad in the building
@@LaurenceDusoswa sup!
I ordered on in August still don't have it. Customer service is bad I asked about the delay and didn't respond until I canceled the order. it was supposed to be here 3 days ago I don't have it and no emails explaining why. I understand it's overseas and expected a wait but they could at least let me know what's going on without having to cancel the order to get an answer.
Whaaaat
The way the whole world is these days. They are mostly all as bad as each other.
5.5nm
Yep that’s what their specs say
@@LaurenceDusoswa I reckon that power output is perfect for g29 or Thrustmaster tmx/300 users looking for a clear step up
Yep me too
love it but not getting moza products
Logitech is my way shifter and handbrake/pc is a exception
btw can you make another vid with the g pro wheel
What more do you need to know? I will definitely review new accessories for it when they are released
@@LaurenceDusoswa first love the comment response but can you do more vids on the g pro wheel and if you have beamng drive make the vid on that game so i can learn more on my next wheel
@@FarmingLife477 I’ll see what I can do but I have no short term plans to put the Logitech pro back on my rig. As for beamng I would love to spend more time with it but I only have limited time and stuff. Maybe if I ever end up doing this full time 😂😂😂
@@LaurenceDusoswa ok love it btw cool would you recommend the g pro wheel
and do you think logitech will make a pro shifter your thoughts please that is last question love the vids keep it up
💥What you mean it was reviewed by someone else you mean they couldn't even let you keep it for reviewing it please tell me I'm wrong ?
I do get to hang on to most things yeah. I mean that I don’t watch other people’s reviews before I release mine
@@LaurenceDusoswa this is just my gaming channel I also make Tech content and all different content I have a few channels like (ON THE LOCKOUT) AND OTHERS but with that being said I don't do reviews for people that don't let you at the least keep the product that's like robbery they getting over I just can't believe some people are even allowing them to do this respect to you and this is why 90% of my products are bought by me cuz I'll be damned if I'm going to give you my audience for you to say I got to send it back we not doing that but anyway God bless continue the good work
@@LaurenceDusoswa cool i know how it goes this my other small new gaming channel im same GUY FROM (ON THE LOCKOUT) HERE ON TUBE AND ALL MAJOR PLATFORMS WORLDWIDE 🤦🏽♂JUST SAYING LOL BLESS I DO TECH ALSO I DO IT ALL OVER 10 TH-cam CHANNELS
To bad it don’t work on consoles!! Yet
After 8 months, Moza es steering wheel, pedal shifter, left pedal broke. The place that holds the pedal shaft is plastic, so it breaks. My research is in this direction. Different people on reddit have experienced the same problem. I am a victim of this situation. Even if I contact Moza in China, my cargo and steering set will be damaged. It will not be good for me if I cannot play the game. Think twice when buying an ES steering wheel. I have used Logitech DFGT for 10 years and have never had any problems. Moza broke down in 8 months. I do not recommend it to anyone.