Don't Over Expose S-Cinetone - Sony FX30 & a6700 Guide
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- Don't Over Expose S-Cinetone - Sony FX30 & a6700 Guide
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Chapter Markers
00:00 What's the problem?
00:27 It's "supposed" to be a simple profile
01:01 S-Cinetone curve
01:58 FX30 & a6700 but any Sony camera w/S-Cinetone
02:29 Middle grey?
03:21 Brittle highlights
03:49 IRE values for skin tones
04:29 Optimal range for skin
05:10 Why it's best to aim for under
05:33 Color looks better
06:46 What if you want to use the camera's meter
07:38 No benefit in over-exposing
09:11 Exposing for highlights
09:50 What have we learned? - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
Thanks for all the tests dude! This will definitely help me expose S-Cinetone outside. Inside I think I prefer to use s-log. You're my go to resource when it comes to the FX30 man! Keep it up!
I really appreciate your videos on FX30
Thank you!
Merci ! vos explication sont parmi les plus claires que j'ai pu trouver sur TH-cam !
I appreciate this video, I have been a long time Sony photography shooter and am just now getting into video. So it really is a completely different world. Especially since the After Adobe dust up I’m learning multiple new programs including Resolve. This video was immensely helpful. Your teaching style is straight forward thanks.
Thank you so much!
Very good information, just what I was looking for with my A6700👍
Very good Video and explanation
Great….Thank you for your time ❤
Nice dive into the s cine tone
It’s such a good pp when the exposure is nailed
Thank you. Yeah, it can look pretty good!
Thank you!. Very helpful.
Good stuff my guy! I like S-Cinetone on my A7 IV because it's pretty easy but I also like to give it a slight adjustment in post with some more contrast and saturation but it's much easier to start with than S-LOG 3, especially if there's no need for maximum dynamic range.
Great explantion!
This is good stuff. Mark Bennett says S-CINETONE makes everyone look like a vampire, this explains it so well.
He must be exposing it too bright! Thanks
@@PhillipRPeck yes, exactly what you have explained here! Totally makes sense.
Great video! Thanks
You bet!
Yeah, I think Zebra set to 65ish is quite good for the skin tone for both S-Cinetone and Slog3.
Very helpful as always, Phillip! Like how you take things slow and explain things with great examples without getting so technical in jargon that it becomes uninteligible googly gop. As a fairly new FX3 owner, I appreciate these! New to shooting in SLOG3 and s-Cinetone. It's a scary world out there. 😅
Lol, thanks. Glad it made sense. Good luck with the FX3, awesome camera!
Interesting video! I'm gonna experiment more with underexposing s-cinetone. I shot a short film using s-cinetone (for experimentation) and no grading just SOC. I kept the multi-meter at 0 while shooting and some shots look pretty overexposed which I chugged up thinking it's just the profile's lack of dynamic range (in comparison with Slog3). So I'm gonna give it another go, thank you for your video and bringing up your testings!
Use Cine EI to move the dynamic range to protect the highlights or open up the shadows.
its ridiculous how effective you are at teaching.
Wow, thank you
But he's wrong about this. He needs to use Cine EI and slide the dynamic range to protect the highlights.
Very good video 👍 alot of good information, i have a question, what are the base iso values on s-cinetone on the a6700?
Thank you! I think it's 125 and 400
I've seen a lot saying it's 800 and 2500?? @@PhillipRPeck
I’m not seeing any zebras🤓 I do like when your cats show up!
Great tips ! Really enjoy your tutorials ! Question: I may be wrong here, but - it seems to me the footage from my FX30 come out a bit soft, flat, with low contrast. To give you example: looking at your clip, at @8.34 it also seems to be a bit soft and flat. However, in the talking head section, you sitting inside studio, footage looks sharp and has nice colors with minimal contrast to it. Any tips you could offer on this subject ? Thank you !
Thanks. Yeah, it's kinda weird like that. In general, like I explained in the video, you get more contrast and saturation in the middle and under-exposed areas which is why I suggest aiming for a -1EV exposure using the meter. But sometimes, it just seems to be a little flat and less contrasty than it should; so I guess in those cases, add in contrast and saturation in post
Great!
I always use Slog 3 on the A7 IV and the results are amazing, but when i try to use S-Cinetone i have blown highlights on the skintone. And it's unusable but with your tests i understood that i have to underexpose! So thank you very much.
The exposure here it's like the opposite of the log profiles.
It's difficult for my mind to accept that i have to underexpose while i always overexpose for the S log 😂😂
You need to use Cine EI and slide the dynamic range to the highlights or shadows.
@@contentm3893 on the A7IV there isn't Cine EI. Moreover at 0EV the skintones are too bright and with the highlights slider i can't recover it. For me S-log is on another level.
@@ASVideo Ok. Can you do a test with Cine EI and see how it handles the same scene set up?
@@contentm3893 in the Sony A7 IV (the model that i own) i can't select/use Cine EI 😅
@ASVideo lol. You can still use S-Log3 which you’re locked with CineEI
Hi Phillip. Maybe a silly question but in the fx30, when you say to target a 40 ire, do I set it up as std+40 +-1? Still learning th fx30. Thanks.
Yes. Sorry, I should have clarified that in the video
You over expose log footage in the sunlight, not at night, because it's logarithmic curve and you can push your blacks into the noise. It's complicated if you don't understand calculus. Under studio lights in log/SLog-3 you want to under expose by one stop, and in sunlight you over expose 1.667 stops.
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That was really helpful, thank you!
What settings would you use to shoot a long outdoor fitness type video (with naturally changing light conditions). Adjusting an ND would not be an option.
S Cinetone, SLOG 3, or an automatic profile?
Thanks again!
Thank you! I'm always a big proponent of S-Log 3. I think it's the most flexible and forgiving. You could set the exposure for middle grey or skin tones and let the highlights in the sky go. Or you could make sure that the highlights don't clip (around 94 IRE in S-Log 3) and possibly raise the exposure on the subject in post if it got too dark
Did you shoot in 10 bit or 8? If im not using slog3 Id probably shoot 420...but then are you limited in post?
I always shoot 10-bit 422 but if you shoot 10-bit 420, you'll still have a lot more color information than if you shoot 8-bit. I think the much bigger difference is 8-bit versus 10-bit as opposed to 4:2:2 vs 4:2:0
@PhillipRPeck didn't know you could do 10 bit at 4:2;0
Yes indeed
What is the base iso on S-Cinetone?
Depends on the camera but a6700/FX30 is 125/400
What mode do you have your Multimeter?
Multi
It makes sense😅
Im getting used to all this new names!
Amazing video, very clear to understand❤️
Phillip! Quick question while seeing you’re video!
Please, how do you move the image at 2:57 while zooming in davjnci? I’ve tried everything for like a year and can’t do it hahahaha
And THANKS for this video!!!!
If you're using a mouse with a middle mouse button/wheel, just click and hold the middle button and drag around. If you're using a trackpad, it should just be a two finger drag. If you don't have a middle mouse button/wheel on your mouse, I'd recommend getting one because there is a lot of useful functionality in Resolve using that feature. I even made a video about it
@@PhillipRPeckwill try! I have a Logitech anywhere 3s, I’ll try!!! Thanks
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@@PhillipRPeck yes! Watched and now it’s working!
You saved my life 🙏🏻
I find that S-Cinetone gives me yellow skin tones. I'm using the A7R5. Even after correcting white balance and playing with exposure I still get yellow skin. Why is that?
I'm not sure. I've never used the a7RV, but have you tried setting a manual white balance using the kelvin option and then adjusting the color balance? You can shift away from yellow a little bit.
@@PhillipRPeck I adjusted the Kelvin but not while I was in s cinetone. Just seems very unnatural that I should have to go to that much trouble to get good skin tones
Are you excited for the sigma 10-18 f2.8?!
I already have the Sony 10-20mm f/4 PZ, so... not really. But, I'm sure it's a great lens!
For fx3 cinetone clipping is 109. How would you shoot that clipping point?
Hmm... well you can set the zebras to 109 in camera but I think I'd err on the side of caution and set it a bit lower. You can always stretch it out if you find that highlights aren't as bright as you'd like. I'm not sure if that higher clipping point would mean that skin tones need to be exposed brighter so I think I'll have to do some testing to confirm
@@PhillipRPeck thanks!
@@PhillipRPeck Do you use Cine EI at all?
@@contentm3893 I have multiple videos about Cine EI on my channel
@@PhillipRPeck I get that but it would be nice to see if it shoves this problem. To be honest it looks like the highlight skin level s can be brought down in resolve. A simple LUMA adjustment will do it.
Why do you have so much grains in your shoot ? 0:36
I'm not seeing what you mean... I did stick some film grain on one of the clips when I was doing a live stream, but I removed it for the final render and upload. I don't see anything at the time stamp you reference
maybe look above the other camera, just next to your right arm, under the light @@PhillipRPeck
this section is the only where there is a very bad digital grains, maybe youtube compression not doing good here...
@@lch7145 Hey, I'm not trying to be defensive, but I'm not seeing it. I put it on a 48" 4K TV and got real close and I'm not seeing anything except the YT compression blocks
@@PhillipRPeck Yeah that is what I thought maybe I need to change the device to not see compression in this shot
This is not universal; this assumes all people your shooting is not olive or dark skin. What if the individual is dark skin like me or brown? 50 ire won't cut it
I provided a range, 45-65 IRE for skin. Also, the most important point is to protect the highlights because the clipping point is pretty low
you should overexpose .
Why?
@@PhillipRPeck so they f up, and thats the way of learning
The whole purpose of this videos is to teach people who genuinely want to learn! I don’t disagree that mistakes make good lessons but why not help people from the mistake we have all made in the past😂