I like to see the "Town Criers" working together; each have their specialties, vibe, and speak to different audiences and concerns. Awesome way to represent us humans guys!
Hey, put your luts into the creative tab and after that correct the shadows and highlights and other stuff before the lut from the Basic Correction tab. The important thing in the creative tab is that you have control over the intensity of the lut.
What about a7iv? I'm reading different base isos lol some say 125/500 and some said 500/3200? I'm confused as to understanding what's the true base isos for the a7iv for s cinetone.
S-cinetone +s-cinetone color +Black Gamma Middle at +5 +Blacks at -5 +Saturation at +3 +Color Depths B +2 G +2 all others stay at zero. Obviously Detail should be dropped some. Produces some great out of camera footage at base iso of 100 and even at base 2000. Exposure for skin at +60 and all other highlights can work off of 109+.
Thanks for the Video Sean. Quick question about the A7S III firmware update. Does it automatically add on the 1/48 shutter speed or will I need to download the separate DCI license to get 1/48 to work?
Nice surprise ending! I was wondering what you did w/ Cine2. In your examples, I thought SLOG3 had the best color. I noticed a background light on screen-right was more noticeable. Consequently, I liked the SLOG3 the best. But I understand your choice of Cine2. Good video.
Thanks - I'll have some outdoor stuff at some point. I ran s-cinetone tests outdoors and found that I prefer the same exposure settings for what it's worth. Thanks for the suggestion and for checking out the channel!
You ended up clipping your highlights down to about 94 in order to match the SLOG3 to the Cinetone :( I think your understanding of scopes and correction can still be expanded, but damn dude your lighting is ON POINT.
Another excellent video man. Thanks for doing the legwork on these. Would you be interested in sharing some of your professional A7sIII work? Would love to see it.
What happens at 13:44 in the video? It suddenly gets lighter like the gamma was lifted, then it seems to fade back to the original look at 13:51 or so. I that your new look because you said you'd, pop it on" of something else?
Yea it’s definitely a challenge. I found that being able to shoot with the iso around 320 helps a lot (and good background lights of course) and that profile that I mentioned at the end seems to be the best looking image
Hey Justin, I have exactly that up on the channel (should be down the list somewhere in there) and have been considering doing an update to that video in the near future.
Very interesting. I've come back to this video after a year or more to consider again the differences between sLog and S-Cinetone, and, of course, your modified version of the latter. But one question strikes me now, about 'base' ISO. When you demonstrate how the noise vanishes in sLog at 12800, the noise seems still to be pretty well controlled at a stop higher also, certainly in comparison to how it looked at a stop lower (i.e., 10000). Does the stop above the higher 'base' ISOs benefit in some way from proximity to them, or is this just an accident of this particular picture profile? I hope I'm making that question clear! Many thanks again, either way, for a very helpful video
I loved the Dual ISO setting's explanation but when it hit 51200 it introduced a lot of noise right ? So I wonder how some people shoot and process it even at the max ISO 409600 !!!
Great video, thanks for sharing! I have one question: Is cine2 gamma compatible with s-cinetone color mode theoretically? I thought that a certain gamma is designed to be used in combination with its corresponding color mode?
Thanks, Kevin - I don't know of Sony would support the picture profile tweaks that I made and in theory, yes, certain gammas are designed to correspond to certain color modes. That said, during my tests, I found that Cine2 with S-cinetone was landing well for what I'm shooting and the result that I'm getting. Definitely not recommending it to anyone, but it is what I'll be running with for the time being.
@@seandewispelaere Man I've tested your Cine2+S-Cinetone setting on my A7S3, it works so great!! Definitely the best setting, great color, works out of the box, removes all the weirdness of the S-Cinetone gamma.
I am new to the camera world but I got an a7siii. Lol I've watched a lot of camera reviews and you have explained iso and picture profile easier than anyone has for me. I love how gerald undone color grades and it seems you have the same style. I don't know much about color grading but I will try to follow this and see. I'm using it to vlog, talking head and Skits. So I need to have a quick go to picture profile for talking head and movements in both low light and daylight
Hey nice - congrats on the new camera. In that case I’d suggest using s-Cinetone and practicing your exposure and white balance. You can get into slog or other custom profiles to work with color grading from there but all of that won’t go well if the exposure or white balance is off. Thanks for checking out the channel
@@seandewispelaere thanks for the response. I will definitely do that. Last question, what does it mean to get exposure right? Is that to make sure the nothing is blown out? Details are seen?
Yo, Bryan, that's awesome - welcome to the s3 squad. It definitely will and will be a good option if you're getting used to the video world. I'd encourage you to check out my "Exposing with Zebras" video and stick to exposing the values to the chart.
Great video man. Funny / I tend to enjoy PP0 esp for run and gun. After the destruction of internet compression etc, it fits my needs fine. Enjoy s cinetone but after tests with a poll, surprised to see everyone pick the PP0 image over Cinetone! Overall really like all the options we have. It’s such a great beast able to do almost everything you need.
Travis, what's up?! Glad that no PP is working well for you. I assume the polling was due to the added contrast vs cinetone? I've had similar results with polls where people tend to prefer higher contrasted images.
@@seandewispelaere yea, PP0 seems to be a bit more contrast and ‘warmer’ on the color spectrum than Cinetone. I also think it’s preferred by the ‘normies’ lol cause now we are so use to seeing hi-res 4K super vibrant video or ‘iPhone’ footage, which also tends to be warmer and more saturated/contrasty. So I think it’s a overall a style gaining more popularity due to just being more use to and comfortable with it and whatever the general population sees on a daily basis. Great work and please keep it up! I’m getting @geraldundone vibes
Great vid Sean! Production quality is impressive with the animations and info cards in the video! Have you noticed any problems matching S-Log to S-Cinetone in regards to the baked images being different? For instance, some kind of compromise for using S-Log to achieve an S-Cinetone look with slightly better dynamic range, perhaps at the expense of the smooth highlight rolloff. Would it usually be possible to replicate as long as the dynamic range is greater? It's a difficult concept for me wrap my mind around still, haha, but it's in theory about being able to make an S-Cinetone LUT for S-Log without compromise. Thanks for your insights in the video! Have a nice day dude.
What up, Northfarm?! I think the Phantom LUTs that I was demoing in the video look pretty close to Cinetone? I actually think that Cine2 with s-Cinetone as the color mode produces the best results and a nice blend of dynamic range and ideal skin tones
so if i need a little bit more light for s cinetone, and se the iso to 200, or 320 or something..then what? the amount of noise would be like zero noticable , if any..no? base iso just meants it is better to shoot on it, but no big deal if u go 1 stop 2 stops higher lower..no? its like a 3500k camera..how bad would be that be..
200-300 won't produce noise as long as it is exposed and graded well. I'm about to do an update to my SLOG3 video and have a clip in there that was shot at 51,200 ISO and there is noise in that but very minimal after a grade. Thanks for checking out the channel, Angelo!
@@seandewispelaere thanks dude. if it is easy to do maybe throw a quick test of s-cinetone isos, other than base isos, to see if that is gonna have any noise. saying this cause it has less wide range than s-log3... and it would be challenging to see it. slog3 i assume can handle it well, it wont be a big surprise the result. thanks!\
Hi Sean, from your video you mentioned s-cinetone with creative look! Can you use s-cinetone with creative look on a7s3 or fx3? I though it can only use either PP or Creative look... Please let me know!
Another great vid brother & congrats on new Subs! No wonder as you're doing amazing work and I'm happy seeing you doing well 👊 Cinetone seams nice and Slog seams like a lot of work, I'll try your variation to see that magic 100%, thanks for doing that research for us 🙏
When you say "Expose to 65% and you set the lower limit to 65. Does that mean that after we set it to 65, we have to wait until we see the Zebras to know that we have exposed it correctly?
I had already seen that video prior to this but it still did not answer the question. In simple terms, how to know or understand that I have exposed it to 60% or 90% in the camera?
@@Rahulk03 ok yea just set your zebra levels, make sure the zebra display is on, then increase your exposure until the zebras start to appear…and that’s it. It will take some practice, but you’ll get the hang of it
What's up Kanoa, I've been putting a strong effort with HLG since I got the a73 a few years ago and am typically let down by the result. I've seen incredible footage with it, but it's not for me at the moment. Thanks for checking out the video.
I'm still a big fan of the Leeming LUTs and use them. I found the "Neutral" Phantom LUTs to be a lot closer to to s-Cinetone and figured it'd be good to use in the context of this video
S cinetone still seems to have the slight Sony green skintone straight out of camera. But not as bad as previous cameras/profiles. I think your Combo actually has the best skintones.
@@seandewispelaere Yo! (I'm commenting here to prevent spoilers haha) that is dope what you did there! I came across the same problems as you where I love how easy, simple, and clean S-cinetone is and I think for youtube videos where I want a quick edit, I'll send it out there. Also filmed it with a dance team where we were dealing with inconsistent lighting the whole time and it would leave weird color of skin, so that would be another time to use it. Where as in daylight where I film a ton of weddings, I used it on a improv shoot with some friends outside and it just didn't hold up as well and I love the creative color freedom I have with Slog-3 in those type of videos. I'll test out your custom made profile for sure! Great content man!
Ha ha! It’s obvious you didn’t give S-Cinetone a fair shake and couldn’t wait to play around with all those bullshit phantom luts. Not at all a fair objective comparison so why bother then . I have seen several great videos on S-Cinetone that did it justice. Shooting at ISO 100 and dimming your light down to 11% and then being disappointed with the result really??? Many experiences videographers rave about S-Cinetone but they did their research and experimented with it over some time not 10 min like you. I USE S-CINETONE A LOT AND HERE’S WHY: Cinematic look right out of the box! S-CINETONE was first released in the Sony FX9. A high end video camera and was used to model the colors from the Sony VENICE which is Sony’s premiere cinema camera. It has less dynamic range than the SLOG variants but also comes with a much lower noise floor, stronger contrast in the shadows with a more forgiving curve in the highlights. S-CINETONE is designed to be a perfect happy medium. Don’t worry. SLOG2 and SLOG3 are not going anywhere because when shooting on larger productions, series projects, etc, you will want the most flexibility over your image. Even if that means spending the needed extra hours dealing with noise, massaging colors in place, and creating a “look” rather than the built in Sony Venice look and feel. Sony took the characteristics of s709 and created S-Cinetone, which provides images with a more cinematic look in tone and color for the video world than Rec.709. There really is no clear winner when it comes to Sony SLOG3 vs. S-CINETONE. It’s up to the user and what the shooter is after for their creative process. S-CINETONE for a faster, pleasing and more efficient experience, and SLOG3 for the best results possible although quite time consuming.
Love these videos bro. Keep the 🔥coming, and thanks for the shoutout!
I like to see the "Town Criers" working together; each have their specialties, vibe, and speak to different audiences and concerns. Awesome way to represent us humans guys!
Huge compliment coming from you, Tommy - thank you.
p.s. Everyone needs those LUTs...
@Gideon Alvaro Nobody's interested in your malware... Go away?
Dude your studio setup is so clean, I love it!
Thanks, Carl - I'm sure I'll change it at some point but very happy at the moment
Hey, put your luts into the creative tab and after that correct the shadows and highlights and other stuff before the lut from the Basic Correction tab.
The important thing in the creative tab is that you have control over the intensity of the lut.
Hey, great Dual Base ISO guide for the A74... THANKS! - Is there one for the FX30?
Again the video I was looking for! Great job as always, and you were right, now the skin tone is better 👋
Boom - always improving
Enjoyed the comparison/surprise at the end. Cine2 was my go-to on the a6600, but having just picked up the a7siii, it’s time to try these out!
Let me know how you get on!
What about a7iv? I'm reading different base isos lol some say 125/500 and some said 500/3200? I'm confused as to understanding what's the true base isos for the a7iv for s cinetone.
I haven't used the a7iv, but from what I've seen online it is 125 and then the second base ISO is 500. Makes sense.
Thanks for all the 7siii vids this year! Your content has been so helpful and insightful, keep it up my guy!!!
Hey, Gregg, this comment came at the perfect time. THANK YOU.
Amazing production quality and content, super helpful!
Made my day, Logan
cinetone look more natural, more cinematix
S-cinetone +s-cinetone color +Black Gamma Middle at +5 +Blacks at -5 +Saturation at +3 +Color Depths B +2 G +2 all others stay at zero. Obviously Detail should be dropped some. Produces some great out of camera footage at base iso of 100 and even at base 2000. Exposure for skin at +60 and all other highlights can work off of 109+.
Thanks, Brent - I'll give this a shot
Everyone agrees this is the cleanest talking head shot ever. Subbed
Happy to have ya, Ben! Appreciate that 👊
How did you grade it/fix it up afterwards? Looked easy? Sorry. New to this. I think the cine2 footage was amazing. Exact look im after
Love your studio setup and lighting, crispy and clear!
Glad you like it - appreciate you stopping by
Thanks brother...please keep imparting your knowledge..I'll be updating my mark 3 to S-cinetone today..
Nice - curious on your thoughts once you do
Thanks for the Video Sean. Quick question about the A7S III firmware update. Does it automatically add on the 1/48 shutter speed or will I need to download the separate DCI license to get 1/48 to work?
Nice surprise ending! I was wondering what you did w/ Cine2. In your examples, I thought SLOG3 had the best color. I noticed a background light on screen-right was more noticeable. Consequently, I liked the SLOG3 the best. But I understand your choice of Cine2. Good video.
Good stuff man... one suggestion, maybe some outdoor test shots in the real world without the studio lighting etc.
Keep up the good work
Thanks - I'll have some outdoor stuff at some point. I ran s-cinetone tests outdoors and found that I prefer the same exposure settings for what it's worth. Thanks for the suggestion and for checking out the channel!
I've watched soooo many videos on this, I did not expect walking away from this and seriously considering cine2 lol. thanks for sharing, great video!
Hey Phisuals (cool name by the way 😉) - thank you and I am addicted to Cine2 and don't know why it isn't more popular.
You ended up clipping your highlights down to about 94 in order to match the SLOG3 to the Cinetone :( I think your understanding of scopes and correction can still be expanded, but damn dude your lighting is ON POINT.
I agree. Still a ways to go - appreciate that!
Outstanding video Sean, very helpful!
Thanks, Richard
Another excellent video man. Thanks for doing the legwork on these. Would you be interested in sharing some of your professional A7sIII work? Would love to see it.
All of that is coming soon enough - glad you liked this one!
@@seandewispelaere that’s great, I’m looking forward to it. Gotta say, the conclusion of this one took me by surprise. Very interesting indeed...
What happens at 13:44 in the video? It suddenly gets lighter like the gamma was lifted, then it seems to fade back to the original look at 13:51 or so. I that your new look because you said you'd, pop it on" of something else?
Hey - that was directly OOC before the grade was applied. Thanks for checking out the video.
Thanks for the hard work! Great videos
So much editing! Thanks for this, Chadwicke
SAME exact situation with me and my black walls. S-cinetone made my in studio shot look more dull and un fulfilling.
Yea it’s definitely a challenge. I found that being able to shoot with the iso around 320 helps a lot (and good background lights of course) and that profile that I mentioned at the end seems to be the best looking image
Can you do a video on how you color grade your cine2 profile?? I think it looks by far the best out of the three, the skin tones looks really good.
Hey Justin, I have exactly that up on the channel (should be down the list somewhere in there) and have been considering doing an update to that video in the near future.
Very interesting. I've come back to this video after a year or more to consider again the differences between sLog and S-Cinetone, and, of course, your modified version of the latter. But one question strikes me now, about 'base' ISO. When you demonstrate how the noise vanishes in sLog at 12800, the noise seems still to be pretty well controlled at a stop higher also, certainly in comparison to how it looked at a stop lower (i.e., 10000). Does the stop above the higher 'base' ISOs benefit in some way from proximity to them, or is this just an accident of this particular picture profile? I hope I'm making that question clear! Many thanks again, either way, for a very helpful video
That’s exactly how it works, yes 💯
Glad this helped, Pat
Great videos bro. Your setup looks clean and simple with great lighting and colors. What are your thoughts on s-cinetone for low light?
Hey thanks - works well in low light. Similar to no PP in my opinion.
I loved the Dual ISO setting's explanation but when it hit 51200 it introduced a lot of noise right ? So I wonder how some people shoot and process it even at the max ISO 409600 !!!
I'd agree with that and rarely shoot over 51,200
@@seandewispelaere Thanks for the reply !!!
Awesome stuff! If you were to use a diffusion filter like black pro mist 1/8 would you still drop the detail to -2 or leave it at 0?
I use that exact filter and keep it at -2
Great video, thanks for sharing! I have one question: Is cine2 gamma compatible with s-cinetone color mode theoretically? I thought that a certain gamma is designed to be used in combination with its corresponding color mode?
Thanks, Kevin - I don't know of Sony would support the picture profile tweaks that I made and in theory, yes, certain gammas are designed to correspond to certain color modes. That said, during my tests, I found that Cine2 with S-cinetone was landing well for what I'm shooting and the result that I'm getting. Definitely not recommending it to anyone, but it is what I'll be running with for the time being.
@@seandewispelaere Man I've tested your Cine2+S-Cinetone setting on my A7S3, it works so great!! Definitely the best setting, great color, works out of the box, removes all the weirdness of the S-Cinetone gamma.
@@seandewispelaere So here comes the old question: How to expose under this setting, what's the best IRE range for skin tone?
I am new to the camera world but I got an a7siii. Lol I've watched a lot of camera reviews and you have explained iso and picture profile easier than anyone has for me. I love how gerald undone color grades and it seems you have the same style. I don't know much about color grading but I will try to follow this and see. I'm using it to vlog, talking head and Skits. So I need to have a quick go to picture profile for talking head and movements in both low light and daylight
Hey nice - congrats on the new camera. In that case I’d suggest using s-Cinetone and practicing your exposure and white balance. You can get into slog or other custom profiles to work with color grading from there but all of that won’t go well if the exposure or white balance is off.
Thanks for checking out the channel
@@seandewispelaere thanks for the response. I will definitely do that. Last question, what does it mean to get exposure right? Is that to make sure the nothing is blown out? Details are seen?
Just to follow the zebra levels for the subject that I get into in the video
Amazing video man! so helpful
Very happy to hear that
You're gonna grow to be big soon! Got in here before you reach +500k subs before the end of the year.
That would be amazing, Ken, and I can't tell ya how much that means to me. Glad you're liking the channel and I appreciate you jumping in early on
Man, your picture, sound, editing and animations... so much envy!!! So professional!!!
Thanks you, Jack, it's been quite a journey and still a long way to go
The good news is that I'm just getting warmed up ;)
Does anyone know if you buy the phantom luts if it’s compatible with any editing program ? I use Vegas pro 19
Not sure...
What are the Native ISO i can use when using cine2/s cinetone on A7siii?
how about S-log3 Gamma + S-Cinetone Color Mode？
I don't love it. Tried it a lot and landed on Cine2 and S-cinetone as the best combo.
Great video again. How are you grading your Cine2/S cinetone profile? With a LUT or custom grade?
Hey Ben, I'm thinking that I should do a video on this specifically....thoughts?
Your video backdrop aesthetics are unmatched on YT right now🖤🦾
Thanks, Ramon - that's really cool of you to say
Thank you for these videos Sean, I’m learning a ton from you brother! 🙌🏼
That's dope, Edward - very glad to hear it
Great video Sean! Your picture quality looks absolutely stunning. What fps are you shooting in?
Much appreciated. Typically 30p (yes, 30p)
Such a clean look man!
Thanks, Viktor
And... subscribed.
…and made my day 👊💯
Great video! I’m new to this world but have a A7siii. If I’m going to a sunny tropical island will S-cinetone work for me?
Yo, Bryan, that's awesome - welcome to the s3 squad. It definitely will and will be a good option if you're getting used to the video world. I'd encourage you to check out my "Exposing with Zebras" video and stick to exposing the values to the chart.
@@seandewispelaere Appreciate you... keep crushing it!
Great video man. Funny / I tend to enjoy PP0 esp for run and gun. After the destruction of internet compression etc, it fits my needs fine. Enjoy s cinetone but after tests with a poll, surprised to see everyone pick the PP0 image over Cinetone! Overall really like all the options we have. It’s such a great beast able to do almost everything you need.
Travis, what's up?! Glad that no PP is working well for you. I assume the polling was due to the added contrast vs cinetone? I've had similar results with polls where people tend to prefer higher contrasted images.
@@seandewispelaere yea, PP0 seems to be a bit more contrast and ‘warmer’ on the color spectrum than Cinetone. I also think it’s preferred by the ‘normies’ lol cause now we are so use to seeing hi-res 4K super vibrant video or ‘iPhone’ footage, which also tends to be warmer and more saturated/contrasty.
So I think it’s a overall a style gaining more popularity due to just being more use to and comfortable with it and whatever the general population sees on a daily basis.
Great work and please keep it up! I’m getting @geraldundone vibes
Beautiful work bro, love the work you do keep going 💪
I'm all over it, Chris, and really appreciate the support
Are you using these settings on the ZV-E1?
Great vid Sean! Production quality is impressive with the animations and info cards in the video! Have you noticed any problems matching S-Log to S-Cinetone in regards to the baked images being different? For instance, some kind of compromise for using S-Log to achieve an S-Cinetone look with slightly better dynamic range, perhaps at the expense of the smooth highlight rolloff. Would it usually be possible to replicate as long as the dynamic range is greater? It's a difficult concept for me wrap my mind around still, haha, but it's in theory about being able to make an S-Cinetone LUT for S-Log without compromise. Thanks for your insights in the video! Have a nice day dude.
What up, Northfarm?!
I think the Phantom LUTs that I was demoing in the video look pretty close to Cinetone?
I actually think that Cine2 with s-Cinetone as the color mode produces the best results and a nice blend of dynamic range and ideal skin tones
so if i need a little bit more light for s cinetone, and se the iso to 200, or 320 or something..then what? the amount of noise would be like zero noticable , if any..no? base iso just meants it is better to shoot on it, but no big deal if u go 1 stop 2 stops higher lower..no? its like a 3500k camera..how bad would be that be..
200-300 won't produce noise as long as it is exposed and graded well. I'm about to do an update to my SLOG3 video and have a clip in there that was shot at 51,200 ISO and there is noise in that but very minimal after a grade. Thanks for checking out the channel, Angelo!
@@seandewispelaere thanks dude. if it is easy to do maybe throw a quick test of s-cinetone isos, other than base isos, to see if that is gonna have any noise. saying this cause it has less wide range than s-log3... and it would be challenging to see it. slog3 i assume can handle it well, it wont be a big surprise the result. thanks!\
Loved your attitude man, blessings from India
Thank you 🤙
I love your works this my 3rd video in your channel and I absolutely fully love your works 🤍
Let's go, Karthik - made my day!
Great video dude, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
slog3 based on contrast is my guess. i cant get slog3 to look graded
Solid guess. Really tough frame to compare the 2 - I would have thought the same thing
2nd iso is just 20x the base iso. Pretty easy to remember that way.
Dude. That is PERFECT!!! It also means that I went way too hard to explain it haha
Dude the desk setup is smoooth 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks (I just changed it again…)
Definitely add some more diffusion to that keylight and wrangle your iso in cinetone and up your keylight power
Hi Sean, from your video you mentioned s-cinetone with creative look! Can you use s-cinetone with creative look on a7s3 or fx3? I though it can only use either PP or Creative look... Please let me know!
PP only 🤙
Do you think you'd bring the detail down if you recorded landscapes?
Good point - I'd keep it at "0" for landscapes
Are you overexp +1.7-2 in s log3 with Phantom luts?
No, I think I mentioned the exposure settings in the video though. Thanks for checking it out
Very good, thank you!
Glad that it landed well for you - thanks!
Great video!!! Thank you!!!
Much appreciated
Another great vid brother & congrats on new Subs! No wonder as you're doing amazing work and I'm happy seeing you doing well 👊 Cinetone seams nice and Slog seams like a lot of work, I'll try your variation to see that magic 100%, thanks for doing that research for us 🙏
Thanks, Thomas - let me know how it works out for you, please
@@seandewispelaere yes Sir! Today is drone hopefully landing, thanks again brother I'm still in disbelief ❤️
Isn’t Slog3 in P8?
It can be put in any of the PP containers
When you say "Expose to 65% and you set the lower limit to 65.
Does that mean that after we set it to 65, we have to wait until we see the Zebras to know that we have exposed it correctly?
Hey Rahul, check out my SLOG3 video that was posted a few months ago. It will walk you through this process.
I had already seen that video prior to this but it still did not answer the question. In simple terms, how to know or understand that I have exposed it to 60% or 90% in the camera?
@@Rahulk03 ok yea just set your zebra levels, make sure the zebra display is on, then increase your exposure until the zebras start to appear…and that’s it. It will take some practice, but you’ll get the hang of it
Thank you
Thinks to self- why not just use HLG3?
What's up Kanoa, I've been putting a strong effort with HLG since I got the a73 a few years ago and am typically let down by the result. I've seen incredible footage with it, but it's not for me at the moment. Thanks for checking out the video.
Interesting fact: my Sony A1 pp11 (S-Cinetone) comes preset to detail -5
Thanks for sharing, Fabian, and enjoy that a1 👀💯
Phantom LUTS, what happened to the Leeming LUTS?
I'm still a big fan of the Leeming LUTs and use them. I found the "Neutral" Phantom LUTs to be a lot closer to to s-Cinetone and figured it'd be good to use in the context of this video
Why did you leave the M1?
I couldn't deal with the lack of Pr Pro functionality so I went back to the '19 MPB for the time being
This is really really good stuff, man. Love the set. Solid video work. Solid graphic work. Good tips and examples. Sub’d.
Thank you for that and for subscribing to the channel - happy to have ya!
I doubt you'll leave slog3 as you don't seem to mind post processing
👀
S cinetone still seems to have the slight Sony green skintone straight out of camera. But not as bad as previous cameras/profiles. I think your Combo actually has the best skintones.
Agreed, Patrick. I recently started dropping the black level to -3 and have been liking that as well.
S cinetone has some green tint to it, seems like slog 3 wins in this one
Slog3 is a beast 🤙
Hey Sean, I didn't see the DUAL ISO Values for S-CINETONE on your table, would it be then that only ISO 100 is 'native' is that PP ? Great Work BTW!
Johan, yes, that was a miss on my end. 100 and 2,000 for cinetone
S cinetone is not exposed correctly. The shiniest parts of your skin are overexposed and you shirt as well on some parts.
I agree, have made some tweaks, and am planning an update to this video soon. Thanks for the note, Pablo
guess: Slog3 with S-cinetone color space. Yeah?
Negative, but good guess
Ima say s-log + cinetone .... I guess we will see
Great guess, Marvin! Close...but no cigar :)
I am going to take a wild guess (only 1 minute in the video) and say you're filming in S-cinetone.
👀👀👀
@@seandewispelaere Yo! (I'm commenting here to prevent spoilers haha) that is dope what you did there! I came across the same problems as you where I love how easy, simple, and clean S-cinetone is and I think for youtube videos where I want a quick edit, I'll send it out there. Also filmed it with a dance team where we were dealing with inconsistent lighting the whole time and it would leave weird color of skin, so that would be another time to use it.
Where as in daylight where I film a ton of weddings, I used it on a improv shoot with some friends outside and it just didn't hold up as well and I love the creative color freedom I have with Slog-3 in those type of videos. I'll test out your custom made profile for sure! Great content man!
My guess is s-cinetone
Don't punch me.
yea fuck the fan noise.... 5k and its louder than my dryer
MUCH better on the new ones!
De Wispelaere, Flemish roots?
Yes, absolutely. My family is from Mele, I believe. Good eye!
@@seandewispelaere i'm flemish ;)
I think its Melle, double L
It still looks too sharp
😢
S - Cinetone
Don't punch me.
💯
Ha ha! It’s obvious you didn’t give S-Cinetone a fair shake and couldn’t wait to play around with all those bullshit phantom luts. Not at all a fair objective comparison so why bother then . I have seen several great videos on S-Cinetone that did it justice. Shooting at ISO 100 and dimming your light down to 11% and then being disappointed with the result really??? Many experiences videographers rave about S-Cinetone but they did their research and experimented with it over some time not 10 min like you. I USE S-CINETONE A LOT AND HERE’S WHY:
Cinematic look right out of the box!
S-CINETONE was first released in the Sony FX9. A high end video camera and was used to model the colors from the Sony VENICE which is Sony’s premiere cinema camera. It has less dynamic range than the SLOG variants but also comes with a much lower noise floor, stronger contrast in the shadows with a more forgiving curve in the highlights. S-CINETONE is designed to be a perfect happy medium.
Don’t worry. SLOG2 and SLOG3 are not going anywhere because when shooting on larger productions, series projects, etc, you will want the most flexibility over your image. Even if that means spending the needed extra hours dealing with noise, massaging colors in place, and creating a “look” rather than the built in Sony Venice look and feel.
Sony took the characteristics of s709 and created S-Cinetone, which provides images with a more cinematic look in tone and color for the video world than Rec.709.
There really is no clear winner when it comes to Sony SLOG3 vs. S-CINETONE. It’s up to the user and what the shooter is after for their creative process. S-CINETONE for a faster, pleasing and more efficient experience, and SLOG3 for the best results possible although quite time consuming.
bro , your stubs is causing moire to my poor eyes
😶
slog technology will die soon, color look grey!!!!