Hi Phil, I would like to see a video on how to setup Tools for machining on sub-spindle. I have seen blog stating T1010.1; T1010.2 but no explanation how to setup these Tools and their respective offsets on Dual Side Tool Holders. Machine is Mazak SQT 10MS with Mazatrol T32-3 controller. Your time and efforts highly appreicated.
I used to use a pin to set tools in the mill all the time because it was a lot easier than shim/paper. And, I found it to be more accurate as well. It also seemed easier on tooling.
@@derick3482 Touch on a known dia. clamped in the spindle, and add the radius of said dia. to the offset. (I am assuming you are referring to radial live tools, not axial).
@@wheelieking71 I meant setting ANY of the vertical Drill bits or endmills on the Z and if I set one can I use that value for all of the vertical cutter?S
@@derick3482 Vertical and Z in a lathe? I'm thinking you are working in a mill huh? All the tools in a mill are "live". And, no, you will need specific tool offsets for each tool in one way or another.
@@wheelieking71 no on a turn mill but I was asking Phil this too I think it's the same principle with a lathe with live tooling think of it like if you're milling at zero degrees vs if you're milling at 90 degrees
I cant believe even today Mazaks cannot understand where the Z axis is without needing to compensate for it with the Z axis datum aswell. On any Fanuc machine you can just set the datum and teach the distance off the face and it reads exactly that.
This is so helpful! I was able to get X on my knurling tool but Z was giving me that funny offset number. Adding the Z offset for the program was 🤦🏻♂️🤯 Thanks
@@mazatroltipsandtricks6816 why did you add 1.4177 instead of just .9177? Didn't you add the .5 when you initially were teaching z? Also what if the z offset is not able to be set because it does not know how long the tool is? Would you just set the z tool offset then set the z work offset?
Hi Phil, thanks for your videos and for teaching us machinist differents methods on how to make our life easier for set ups, I do have a question I hope you have an answer, how to set X for a core bore drill? Thanks and keep up the good work
Depending on how you want to run it. Set it to X0 if using a drill cycle or probe it like a boring bar and then use the MNP and program X at the drill diameter. Check out my other video on MNP programming.
I have one question, i have second spindle and two tools in one position, but only one is defined in the machine. How can i iput more tools in the machine so i can use both at the same time?
@@uroszivanovic2732 You should be able to set multiple tool descriptions for the same turret station. Go to tool data and arrow down to the tool number in question and push insert tool or edit tool on soft keys. It will allow you to make a secondary tool like tool 8A, 8B, etc.
Mazatrol Tips and Tricks okay, I see, thank you anyway. Also I would like to congratulate you on your channel. It’s really helpful. Hope you keep making videos.
@@elconquistaroad4217 i don't know why i didn't see this but i am happy to help i make two programs fanuc style O and P just write a lot of bs initialize with M200!!! that's the key then send it to your sub program subprogram would be THE ACTUAL CUTTING your main program defines the repetition and then M99
Hi Phil. I have a Quick Turn 20N but l lost the manual books especially the parameters in order to reset every thing it's possible to borrow yours book or copy of yours book I will pay for them
Unfortunately I do not have parameters for your machine. Parameters are unique to each machine. Mazak can get you the parameters if you send them your machine serial number. I do not know what the cost is but it should be less than buying the whole manual set for $750.
@@mazatroltipsandtricks6816 I was just asking because some torched off the tool eye about 20 years ago. Some of the boards went bad and we replaced them, but can't run the machine do to the machine thinking the tool eye is extended. We're trying to see what parameters we need to change, but have no clue.
I think a good tutorial, (if you havent already made it), would be tool geometry. For some this can get confusing. For others it causes anomalies in the program. What exactly is the included angle? Where does the 95 degree and 80 degree go when you assign tool data? Things like that.
I don't see how a dowel pin would be more convenient, I do usually use paper or a sacrificial piece turned down with an already set tool, then touch it while turning until a chip goes out. I should be missing something but would you please let me know how the whole setup - circular part vs 90 degree circular dowel pin vs the tip of the tool - would be easier to use than paper? From what I see from the JOG wheel, you probably move the tool near the stock, then start widening the gap between the tool tip and the piece, until the dowel pin slides in, not the other way around, as done with paper or shim? Maybe this would be easier, it's surely worth a try. Great content, keep up the good work!
Thanks for the feedback. I will usually set tools by cutting the workpiece and measuring the diameter myself. I just wanted to show my viewers another method of touching off the tools if the workpiece was already cut to size. I found the dowel pin method to be much more accurate than using a paper or shim though if I have to resort to touching off tools manually. I do like having a working tool probe.
how do I set the Z on my ENDMILL or Drill if it was in 90 degree vertical ?? say .5" end mill and if I set one up can I rely on it for all the other cutters? drill bits and endmills alike at 90 degree position?
@@mazatroltipsandtricks6816 so say the Z OFFSET right? is "-.5" the value in setup info page bring the end mill to the edge of the part then in the tool offset page TEACH , Z "-1."? something like that? so you add .5 plus the main Z offset? (where the Z zero is in front of the part)
Hi Phil, I would like to see a video on how to setup Tools for machining on sub-spindle. I have seen blog stating T1010.1; T1010.2 but no explanation how to setup these Tools and their respective offsets on Dual Side Tool Holders. Machine is Mazak SQT 10MS with Mazatrol T32-3 controller. Your time and efforts highly appreicated.
I'm sorry but my machine does not have a sub spindle. I cannot demonstrate that on video.
I used to use a pin to set tools in the mill all the time because it was a lot easier than shim/paper. And, I found it to be more accurate as well. It also seemed easier on tooling.
do you have a machine with live tooling? end mills? drills? how would you set the X or Z on those live tooling tools
@@derick3482 Touch on a known dia. clamped in the spindle, and add the radius of said dia. to the offset. (I am assuming you are referring to radial live tools, not axial).
@@wheelieking71 I meant setting ANY of the vertical Drill bits or endmills on the Z
and if I set one can I use that value for all of the vertical cutter?S
@@derick3482 Vertical and Z in a lathe? I'm thinking you are working in a mill huh? All the tools in a mill are "live". And, no, you will need specific tool offsets for each tool in one way or another.
@@wheelieking71 no on a turn mill but I was asking Phil this too I think it's the same principle with a lathe with live tooling
think of it like if you're milling at zero degrees vs if you're milling at 90 degrees
My tool eye is broken so this video helped a ton!!! Im used to mazak integrex 400s so im learning backwards.
do you use EIA at all?
I cant believe even today Mazaks cannot understand where the Z axis is without needing to compensate for it with the Z axis datum aswell. On any Fanuc machine you can just set the datum and teach the distance off the face and it reads exactly that.
This is so helpful! I was able to get X on my knurling tool but Z was giving me that funny offset number. Adding the Z offset for the program was 🤦🏻♂️🤯 Thanks
You're welcome.
Can you make a video doing the same thing but instead of an O.D. tool could you do a boring bar?
@@aarontabor2915 Sure thing. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@mazatroltipsandtricks6816 why did you add 1.4177 instead of just .9177? Didn't you add the .5 when you initially were teaching z? Also what if the z offset is not able to be set because it does not know how long the tool is? Would you just set the z tool offset then set the z work offset?
Hi Phil, thanks for your videos and for teaching us machinist differents methods on how to make our life easier for set ups, I do have a question I hope you have an answer, how to set X for a core bore drill? Thanks and keep up the good work
Depending on how you want to run it. Set it to X0 if using a drill cycle or probe it like a boring bar and then use the MNP and program X at the drill diameter. Check out my other video on MNP programming.
Yes how to set 0 on X, and I will see the video on how to run it on a manual program
I have one question, i have second spindle and two tools in one position, but only one is defined in the machine. How can i iput more tools in the machine so i can use both at the same time?
What control do you have?
Mazatrol T Plus
@@uroszivanovic2732 You should be able to set multiple tool descriptions for the same turret station. Go to tool data and arrow down to the tool number in question and push insert tool or edit tool on soft keys. It will allow you to make a secondary tool like tool 8A, 8B, etc.
@@mazatroltipsandtricks6816 Thank you, I did it.
Can you make a video about broaching a key way using Mazatrol and not EIA if possible?
Broaching would take a lot of programming and it would require a manual process. Never tried it yet.
Mazatrol Tips and Tricks okay, I see, thank you anyway. Also I would like to congratulate you on your channel. It’s really helpful. Hope you keep making videos.
@@elconquistaroad4217 Thank you. Yes, I will keep making videos.
@@elconquistaroad4217 i don't know why i didn't see this but i am happy to help
i make two programs fanuc style O and P
just write a lot of bs initialize with M200!!! that's the key
then send it to your sub program
subprogram would be THE ACTUAL CUTTING
your main program defines the repetition and then M99
Phil, can you make a video how to use the work origin like G54 and G55. Can be used two work origin in one workpiece?
Not possible on my old controller.
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How do you added a tool number not abc but a actual number like 1234 now I got it
Hi Phil. I have a Quick Turn 20N but l lost the manual books especially the parameters in order to reset every thing it's possible to borrow yours book or copy of yours book I will pay for them
Unfortunately I do not have parameters for your machine. Parameters are unique to each machine. Mazak can get you the parameters if you send them your machine serial number. I do not know what the cost is but it should be less than buying the whole manual set for $750.
I use a 2.0 touchoff light on the z axis vs the face to protect the insert.
@@derick3482 Hello Fred. No I don't
Hi Phil have done any videos on horizontal mazak mills. thanks jagan
I only have access to film my machines at home and that is just the Mazak lathes.
Thanks a lot for your information
You're welcome.
Is there a way to disable the tool eye?
The OP parameters control the tool eye. I don't know which one though.
@@mazatroltipsandtricks6816 I was just asking because some torched off the tool eye about 20 years ago. Some of the boards went bad and we replaced them, but can't run the machine do to the machine thinking the tool eye is extended. We're trying to see what parameters we need to change, but have no clue.
Por favor preciso un tutorial de transferencia tengo un torno dual tur de 20
Nice way to chip the nose radius on your tool .
I think a good tutorial, (if you havent already made it), would be tool geometry. For some this can get confusing. For others it causes anomalies in the program. What exactly is the included angle? Where does the 95 degree and 80 degree go when you assign tool data? Things like that.
I did do a video on this subject. I will have to find a link for you.
@@mazatroltipsandtricks6816 Hi there, thank you for the useful tutorial. If you find the link on tool geometry, can you please forward me the link
@@etiennelabuschagne5833 I have another video that describes the tool geometry. Maybe that will help.
Hi Phil. Can we hope that you will post something new in the near future? Thanks
I'm planning on shooting more videos this weekend. Thanks for the continued interest.
I don't see how a dowel pin would be more convenient, I do usually use paper or a sacrificial piece turned down with an already set tool, then touch it while turning until a chip goes out. I should be missing something but would you please let me know how the whole setup - circular part vs 90 degree circular dowel pin vs the tip of the tool - would be easier to use than paper? From what I see from the JOG wheel, you probably move the tool near the stock, then start widening the gap between the tool tip and the piece, until the dowel pin slides in, not the other way around, as done with paper or shim? Maybe this would be easier, it's surely worth a try. Great content, keep up the good work!
Thanks for the feedback. I will usually set tools by cutting the workpiece and measuring the diameter myself. I just wanted to show my viewers another method of touching off the tools if the workpiece was already cut to size. I found the dowel pin method to be much more accurate than using a paper or shim though if I have to resort to touching off tools manually. I do like having a working tool probe.
do you watch edge precision ? he's got an integerx he always uses a dowel pin to touch off his bits
Thanks..
now we need someone to teach us EIA
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Ah yes the ghost load on the x axis
how do I set the Z on my ENDMILL or Drill if it was in 90 degree vertical ??
say .5" end mill
and if I set one up can I rely on it for all the other cutters? drill bits and endmills alike at 90 degree position?
Probe the side of the endmill and then add half of the diameter to the Z geometry so it is a larger negative number.
@@mazatroltipsandtricks6816 so say the Z OFFSET right? is "-.5" the value in setup info page
bring the end mill to the edge of the part
then in the tool offset page TEACH , Z "-1."?
something like that? so you add .5 plus the main Z offset? (where the Z zero is in front of the part)