CUBASE 13 - An Honest Review
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- Let's talk about Cubase 13 in this honest review where we will cover the most overrated and the most underrated features in Cubase 13, an update that feels a bit mediocre...
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The Cubase 13 Upgrade receives a lot of hype but i don't see big innovations here. Of course, we're still talking about Cubase which is - according to many - the best DAW in the world. So i'm complaining on a very high level.
I had my reasons to spend 100 Coins on the update (from Cubase 12 Pro to 13 Pro) but i also can understand people who don't want to upgrade for whatever reasons. Because this update is a bit mediocre imo.
I cover the unnecessary design change, the most overrated feature, more disappointing things but also some of the good stuff in C13, like the most underrated feature and other positive things.
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Thanks for the review! What do you think about the score editor in 13? Do you use the score editor when composing? I’m considering updating from Cubase Pro 10.
I haven't used it so far but i've heard it's pretty good. I really need to have a closer look at it.
I like the new channel strip, and pop up windows. If Steinberg makes them resizable they’d be perfect.
I have a made a couple of videos demonstrating performance issues with certain VST instruments/plugins and Cubase 12/13. I am pretty disappointed that these issues haven't been addressed in 13 (or even in 12!). I have also found a couple of workarounds for the performance issues if anyone is experiencing them. Hopefully Steinberg can get to the bottom of it and the next maintenance update addresses most of the bugs.
Let's hope for the best, thanks for sharing.
G'Day, Marcus. There was a lot of hype around Cubase 13's launch. You, and "One man and his songs" have both given realistic, balanced perspectives. Definitely mediocre for my use cases at the moment. There's nothing in this update to make me rush out and buy it, I will wait for at least one maintenance update, possibly more. Some nice changes to MIDI editing that I will find useful, including the grouping, which I have heard mentioned for the first time in this review! I will be getting Iconica Sketch in the next Dorico release anyway, so I can wait for that. Lots of users have complained that the new colour scheme for the mixer is hard on the eyes, some previously existing features have been removed or broken, and as usual, many people are experiencing crashes on a system that was working perfectly with Cubase 12. There is an expectation that there will be a maintenance release before the end of the year.
It definitely needs an maintenance update quickly, i agree. I'm dealing with some small graphic glitches every now and then, but so far all my stuff seems to work. Have a nice weekend ;)
Thanks for the info. I've been on the fence about the 13 update.
Good video, thanks for your content. I personally like the new GUI but I have limited experience with DAWs and only been using Cubase since version 11. I couldn't agree more about the Amp Rack, I am sure that this could benefit from a modern upgrade. I am primarly a bedroom guitar player and Cubase for me is means to record at home for non-professional use so a good built-in amp simulator would be great.
Thanks for your comment ✨
Been using Cubase since SX. Love it. Haven't upgraded yet - still using 11. something. Use it in conjunction with Reason Studios which makes up a great team, I believe. I'll wait for 14, or maybe later if need be. Actually I'm more inclined to get into Dorico sometime in the near future.
That's cool, 11 is a great version.
Absolutely loved watching your review. Love your style and pretty much confirms my fears about Cubase 13 particularly the channel strip although this can be hidden. Tried the trial version and I'm struggling to justify updating, Really not sure I'd gain very much apart from a load of problems when I'm wanting to make music making easier.
Thanks for your comment! I think, it's totally fine to not upgrade, if even the demo couldn't convince you ;)
Like you I only upgraded to Nuendo because it was cheaper. I think it's snappier but hardly use it because I've switch to Logic Pro X. Better for arranging music, programming drums, woring in surround formats and less of a headache to setup. Honestly I can't think of a reason to go back to using Nuendo/Cubase anymore and probably would save my money if they do upgrades like this in the future. Great video btw!
Thanks for watching! ✌
C13 is more about great > workflow improvments! I like the new GUI. With a litte tweaking it looks good and modern.
And this is exacly what I want. I don´t need fancy stuff like clip nmodes or modulation in every directions (If you like such crazy stuff, Ableton or Bitwig is your friend to go).
C123 is very stable on my systems. The new onstock fx and the new 5 GB FREE orchestral Iconica stuff is very nice to have and sound very good.
So far, I also don't have performance issues, and yeah, Iconica is great.
I don't agree with the 'modern' look, because design is highly dependend on personal taste imo. The same with Workflow improvements. What works good for you might not work well for other people.
But hey, i still don't want to work with any other daw ;)
Cubase 13 is working well. Mixed a couple of tunes in it. So far so good!
Good to hear.
Mine crashes when recording. Even with a 1024 buffer. It uses so much audio capacity. Trying to get an answer. They keep wanting more and more crash reports and records. One would think they would be more on top of this. I do not think this is ready for release yet. IMHO
I'll stick with 12 Pro. I have no workflow issues w/12.
13 really isn't offering much besides a new gui and stereo/mono track of which none of that matters to me.
Now I'd upgrade if they would of added in a full version of GA-5 or Halion. Besides, that - there's nothing worth upgrading to tbh imho 🤔
I can understand that. Thanks for your comment ✌
I was late for the party to upgrade to C11, and it blew me away. It was a revolution to me. Then C12 was released in my grace period, and was a no-brainer (and no-dingle-dongle) upgrade. Then they gave me Arturia's CS-80 for free as a little surprise, and I was over the moon, yes! Now with C13, the string library sounds great but, for my own mediocre classical aspirations, BBCCO from Spitfire does the job, and it's free... You're right, this is no more than C12.5, and I am not upgrading as I'm not eligible for a freebie. I like to occasionally play around with a vocoder but then again I have got hardware for that rarely used effect. I also use 3rd party Pultec style EQ's already, and the extra tab for the channel? Sorry, I couldn't even imagine for a second to not mix with 2 screens and you can find a second fully working 16:9 screen by any skip near you!!!!! 🤣Sooooo... well, I am fairly positive I may upgrade in a year when C14 drops but for now, C12 does everything for me. To cut a long story short, they are a great team of developers but I am OK for now.
My story is pretty much the same, mine just starts with 10.5 and i didn't get the Arturia 😡😂
Finally someone who tells it like it is. 😊A minor 0.5 update of a few visuals tweaks, so what. I'll wait till they do the usual 30% off later, maybe... the vocoder would be the only thing that I am interested in. And why do Dev's never keep the the old visual settings as an option? Some of us like it that way.
Yep, thank for your comment ✌
I´ll wait until this upgrade is on sale because i´m still enjoying Cubase 12.
Agree 100% on the GUI change.. A total crap marketing move from Steinberg.. I also tend to upgrade once a year or so to avoid the big cost hit if you wait too long.. but I am concerned about the performance comments I am seeing all over these initial reviews.. I am on the fence on this one.
The GUI change also comes with some smaller graphic glitches, hurray :D
I wish you good luck in case you decide to upgrade.
Like your review. Love Cubase 13 pro, like the new panel on the left and the pop up menu.
That's fine, thanks for watching :)
I wish they would have finally added the undo to the mixer, like any other DAW out there! :) Thanks for sharing your experience.
Totally agree!
The mixer already has undo.
What you said makes sense. I'm almost ready to purchase the upgrade.
Cool 😎
These are 20 year old features (left hand channel slider) that is from CUBASE SX 1- 1.06.
And mixing midi tracks into groups is also a 20 year old features. The "new visual layout" and use of pop up windows are also from the original cubase sx 1.0.
Sounds like and looks like a money grab upgrade.
I will probably get static from cubase users.
However I have used all versions up to cubase 12
I still run an old win xp computer with cubase sx 1.06 aswell. For older projects and to convert older project to .cpr files.
Anyhow my observation is that they RECYCLED old deleted FORGOTTEN user features which were there back in 2002.
It's not even a side step upgrade, looks to me like regurgitated old retro vintage user functions and visuals.
Hardly deserving of a Cubase 13 title/name. More so should have been released as a cubase retro package.
Very disheartened to see the new 1000 dollar software to new users or 150 buck upgrade to existing users has done little to nothing to improve anything. How do they justify the upgrade? Or " NEW" title. Seems like a way to remove compatibility with old VST instruments and or plug-ins. As computer technology is rapidly changing they write programs to run on the new latest OS. Be it Linux Apple or Microsoft.
Don't get me wrong steinberg has done well with keeping our existing versions compatible with new hardware. (Drivers etc)
I just don't see anything new worth the upgrade fees.
Visually yes I prefer the old versions of cubase (closer to the new look of 13) but hardly worth the upgrade when I seems like only yesterday we paid for the improved look of 11 and 12 etc...
In the end they don't tell you the compatibility features that are silently removed. Be sure they are there for us users to find.
Interesting, because i have forgotten everything about old versions and their features. Thanks for bringing that up ;)
@@thegroundnoise yeah there are probably people somewhere on TH-cam with tutorials for the older versions for you to compare 13 too.
Cheers
Yup, grab'n the cash
Hey guys! Just upgraded to 13, but the most important workflow feature is gone! "the back to start point when stop" Do you know where it went or how to do it now? Thanks!! Great video!
You're right, i can't find it either! Why did they remove that? It's really bad if you're used to it.
It is in your preferences tab
No it isn't! It was there in C12, it's gone in C13 (edit/preferences/transport) @@michaelteems5813
@@thegroundnoise sorry my mistake told you the wrong place open your project, go to transport click on that go to start mode and look for what you’re looking for
You can find that on your project by going to transport, click on that, scroll down to start mode click on that follow the directions
I haven't upgraded yet and now I'm thinking about it. I don't like new GUI changes that I don't ask for. I guess though that I'm jsut going to do it soon anyway.
Yeah, that's what i thought too :)
I don’t mind the new look of the UI but I still use Cubase Elements 9 as it serves me well as it’s good enough for me. The only thing I wish Steinberg would do is give the ASIO standard a much needed overhaul, some quality of life improvements are needed for the future. If they would modernise the standard to make it possible to use two ASIO drivers at the same time to separate the recording device from the playback device I would totally upgrade. ASIO still beats the native windows audio drivers in I/O features but in some ways it’s kind of stuck in 1997 beeing limited to a single device model. These days instruments with built-in USB audio interfaces are a thing and I just want to be able to use my Roland TR-6S together with my Steinberg UR-242 interface at the same time without having to use ASIO4all. Having to switch drivers gets a bit inconvenient at times. Steinberg used to be very innovative but they have totally forgotten about ASIO for so many years. I love Cubase and I hope they dust off the ASIO standard some day.
Wow, that's a very good point! ASIO really needs an overhaul, i totally agree 👍
I have no complaints about cubase 13 i love it no glitches, GUI is cool ,workflow is better so im good
Cool 😎
TOTALLY AGREE!!!...i wish cubase 13 could have ,,routing tracks,, like pro tools, logic, and st1....its a great feature too...regards
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I think the VST Amp Rack and VST Bass Amp can be retired to offer a Cubendo-proprietary Helix Native or some dumbed down (but not too much) version of Helix Native.
Nice one,I enjoyed this video ... The changes to the mixer are not for the user ,IMO, I feel this is more about the programming and integration with operating systems, I have only limited experience of other DAWs but it seems to me that cubase is now looking more like all the others, as opposed to everyone else trying to look like cubase, as in the past. A bit like cars, they all look the same these days, but thats just my opinion, cubase user since Atari days😀A lot of people are like me, long time user, so change is hard, we have our workflow and any change means this old dog has to learn some new tricks, so some us will have a little bark every time there is an "update".
Woof Woof! 😂
Thanks for the comment.
Sibelius made the same "new modern look" mistake with ver. 7. I still use 6.
Switched to Dorico, because Avid
What do you mean by grouping midi into groups and mix with audio?
When you route Midi and Audio into one and the same group. I've made a mistake here, since that was also possible in C12. It's just more obvious now. I'll make a vid about that soon 😎
Agree, 12 looked great, and there was no need to make Cubase/Nuendo look like Maschine.
I have the same mindset when upgrading - better pay a smaller update fee here and there. When it comes to Cubase 13 I think it will be good 1: when I can run it (horrible graphic glitces all over) 2: I get used to the new design . I wish the majority of new features was workflow and stuff integrated into the Cubase GUI/workflow. I don't care anything about their VST plugins as I have way more plugins than I can ever use
yep 😊
When your goal with upgrading annually is to cut down costs, although you're not in need to always using the latest version, then you're actually doing the opposite: Burning money is what you actually do. To avoid huge upgrade costs when only upgrading once in a while, you can purchase now and then simply sit on the license for years. When you activate a Cubase upgrade license for the first time, you are always allowed to use the most recent version of Cubase, regardless of what version upgrade you originally bought. This way you pay only 100 coins (or 50 on sale) and may skip some versions. For example what I will do next is buy the upgrade in spring '24 when the come out with theyr usual offering, then stay happy with the beautiful GUI of C12 for another couple of years and then have a look if maybe C15 will be worth switching. So I upgrade from C12 to c15 for 50 coins. I don't feel any need to waist 100 precious coins year by year just to feel somewhat fancy.
You did some serious math here :D
Upgrade from older versions than the recent one is 200 coins. But at least you don't have to buy a new full version. Are they really doing 50% sales? I wasn't aware of that :o
@@thegroundnoise If you upgrade directly from e.g. C11 to C13 you pay 200 coins. That's true. The trick is, not to do this. Instead, you should have bought the upgrade from C11 to C12 and only activated it when C13 came out. This way, you automaticly are free to use C13 (and have it officially activated), even though you only paid for C12. All you need is some patience. Got it now? ;)
Nice cheatcode, but better don't tell Steinberg :D
@@thegroundnoise I'm pretty shure they knew it before I did.
I only up graded to 13 pro to save paying the much higher cost of paying for a full new version.
I agree I liked the 3d screens in cubase 12 pro. Easier on the Eyes.
The screens are getting too busy ,especially if one is using a laptop.
I would like them to add a screen dedicated to live tracking with only the need information on the screen in an analog mixer format.
Good video, but yeah... It's all subjective, of course.
GUI: I think the new "old" look has a lot to do with the overall performance of the program and the advancement of processors and UHD screens. Besides, I don't want my processors occupied with the program's display; I'd rather see the performance become more stable and quantitatively better. So, for me, it's a logical step - aside from the general trend in the digital world toward clear style lines.
Fader Window: This feature is quite valuable, especially if you're professionally involved in pop music. This feature significantly speeds up the workflow.
That's something you can't ignore. It might not interest a hobbyist, but let me tell you: time is money.
Guitar Player: Yeah, that might be unfortunate, but most guitarists I know curse all digital solutions for them anyway. That's why I believe the demand for it is simply too low.
Vocal Chain: More and more upcoming producers are working in electronic genres. Vocal mixing is one of the most searched topics on TH-cam among new producers! It's a logical move for Steinberg to focus on this feature. That was just a good idea! It might not interest you, but it's a big deal in the young community.
Midi and Audio into Groups: What are you talking about?🤔I've been doing that for over ten years?!? Maybe even 15 years!!! Or did something get lost in translation here? I've always been able to group things like VST synths and guitar recordings and work within those groups, at least since Cubase 5. I don't get it. Or maybe I misunderstood you.😉
All in all, your criticism seems somewhat unnecessary because, after all, you still have all the other features you probably enjoy. So, you can still use Cubase. Most features are optional. For me personally, three things are real game-changers - and that's why it really is about this "game." As a professional producer, I used to use a different DAW as a precaution to enhance the workflow for certain artists/genres. And gradually, with the updates since Cubase 11, I've been able to stop that. Those are arguments in favor of Cubase.
loved the vid....you're so right on so many things....the GUI is an abomination......but overall ...yu set the mood right with mediocre.....pultec style eq, all in one vocal strip...who needs either....and the channel strip inspector is simply clutter....zero development on vst connect, which should take steinberg's attention, and as you highlight, nothing in vst amp rack...overall....a real ordinary upgrade....(not even sure that's the right term)
Thanks for your feedback 😎
Big issues with the asio guard. It's always clipping for project that used to work properly on cubase 12
Weird... I hope you get it working ;)
Well said! Vastly underwhelming and greatly over-priced. I'm waiting until they make me an offer I can't refuse... 😊
I hope there'll be a Christmas Sale for you :)
@@thegroundnoise Ha! Ha! I don't think it'll drop this soon. IIRC, the last offer was a bit before v12. I think I had 10 and they offered an upgrade to 11 which would include 12 when released. If memory serves...
"I'm not sure if it's a big game changer" Why would it need to be a "game changer"? The game is the same, composing and sequencing music. I don't want my DAWs to change any game, I just want them to improve their tools and workflows slightly, introduce some new built-in effects, and so on.
You take it way to literally :D But i get what you're saying and i agree.
I'm not a young Cubase user but as a retiree I use it A LOT. Cubase 12 Pro is an amazing piece of software and I was really impressed with the list of C13 workflow improvements until I just saw the GUI on the C13 trial version. OMG! I wear glasses that are set up for my screen distance BUT NOT the C13 bold white and tiny fonts. Completely unusable on my 23" screen. IF SB brings in an option that allows me to use a C12 GUI then I'll upgrade otherwise ...
Good points. Thanks for commenting :)
Hmm, with Logic Pro X you don't pay for any upgrades (while they are in the same league - Cubase and Logic, that will say). "Upgrading every year with Cubase" becomes a no-issue with Logic. At least, this is why I went completely Logic Pro X, after been using Cubase and Reason for years. I finally don't have to care.
Interesting video though; keep up the good work! 🙂
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info ✌
I'm agree with you. The design of new UI is weak. Not sexy. Looks like poor reaper design
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I have been around since Cubase 5. I am a loyal user; I do reggae (roots)
You are very funny ,I like that but your review is honest and very professional,love it!Too many serious people are booooorrrrriiiinng!
Thank you so much! 😎
I don’t think I can move forward from 12 💪
I'm switching from DAW Logic Pro X to DAW Cubase Pro 13.
Apple keeps dropping the ball on their new M2 or M3 chips.
Welcome to Cubase :)
Which cubase works better on mac or pc?
Difficult question. I'm a PC user, but as far as i know Cubase should work on both OS.
@The Ground Noise: tip - you should really buy a bigger screen.
Because that's what Cubase is designed for.
I'm good, thanks ;)
In the meantime I will continue with the negative path for a while 😂😂😂😂 best part of the video
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You're complaining about the fact that there are new effects like great vocal compressors or coloring EQs. Otherwise you've been complaining that there isn't a new vst amp.
I prefer the new C13 effects, there are enough different vst guitar amps on the market for all tastes. the onstock vst amp in Cubase is a good one. Only metal hi gain tones are not included.
I've made very clear that i'm not reading the feature list from the Cubase Website. Also, this is about what's included in the update and not what's available on the market. There are also tons of compressors and EQs on the market.
me are stuck in a old Cubase in win32 as my soudcard is a 32bits(in windows) it goes to 64bits under Linux but no Cubase for Linux!
I don't use Linux but it's a shame that Cubase is still not available for that. But i'm sure you can make great music with 32bit still ;) Keep on creating!
Don't usually care how things look but there is a basic user interface design 101 with many things that relate to our brain/eye coordination. Steinberg keeps missing these basic things and have really dropped the ball on 13.
i hate their upgrade prices that penalize you if wait too long.
i moved on to another DAW.
The GUI is much better now.
I think the biggest let down is it's still just as unstable. Id prefer a rock solid program on my M1, compared to a flakey, fancy looking program. 3 full on crashes in less than 3 hours of use. Got my money back and will stick with Logic.
Sorry to hear it doesn't work for you.
I was really pissed off about the new modern (flat) look of Logic Pro X 10.8 (everyone's trying to copy Ableton, thinking it's what young people like, just as Roland, Yamaha and Korg have been copying Nord keyboards). But seeing Cubase 13's GUI made me realize how lucky I was. Who are those GUI graphic designers? They should be designing Gucci shoes, not DAW GUIs.
Gucci Shoes, that's funny :D
There's no way a significant UI change would happen for marketing purposes alone. And I doubt the engineers would tolerate gratuitous revisions. To me, 13 looks like groundwork for the next 2 to 3 revisions.
Good point. That would explain why the ui change is so half-assed done ;)
I don't see any readings to spend money for version 13 and the GUI sucks. They finally shall implement modulation features to helm the parameters of VST, like in Ableton live or Bitwig and other DAW. It's a shame we can't use complex LFO routing in Cubase. I'm getting pissed by the Japans.
Thanks for your comment ;)
I don't think its complaining on a high level. Things like changing the UI or not letting people choose the way their workstation looks are really important things because the influence our whole experience and how effecient we are using Cubase. Looking at the type of things steinberg chose to "improve" or the type of new content they deliver tells you a lot about their thinking and priorities. The thing that bothers me the most is that we get a couple of good things and then some really bad things. Thats not an upgrade. That's a downgrade, really.
Oh well..
Thanks for your comment. Keep calm and carry on ;)
It’s the first update that doesn’t crash on shut down.
I never had that problem.
I hate the new look updated to 12 and because of the grace period updated again to 13 i opened ait and just stared at it with disgust plus havent used any new feature ither
Are there any other users here who are suffering from the software's ability to Work with Plugins that consume more processing power and that way it Reaches overload very quickly.?
Does anyone know if this is because the base of the software has not been Upgraded and only additions and upgrades are added to an old " engine "
For example, the amount of sends per channel is not increased,
If the Software was upgraded from the base it would have already been Increased.........?
Yes, choosing skins would be good. "Switch to classic view"
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At least The new free library is pretty good tho
Yes it is :)
Guitar Amp will be upgrade in Cubase 14 for another 100 USD
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They can change their UI because it’s their company.
Very much a copy of Studio One.
You mean the UI? Yeah, i've heard people saying that :\
People who tell true will never get as many views as liars who sing odes on how great C13 is. For me it's a disappointing upgrade too. Too few features to care about moving all settings from 12 to 13.
Thanks for your comment ✌
Cubase becomes more Logic)
I don't know much about Logic but i've heard many people saying that. :\
I like it 🤷♂️
That's cool 😎
Disagree 100% on the GUI change, love the clean non-skeumorphistic look. And actually I use Nuendo, the upgrade was only $199, for some great new plugins as well. Cubase upgrade is $99, really that's pretty cheap.
Price should be zero as like FL Studio and Logic Pro .. Now Cubase is 1000USD for a new user...
They are not going back to that outdated bubble look from the early 00's and the fools that want that are just that, fools.
Says the man with all the worn-out vintage speakers in his header pic :D
Yes UI is epic fail! Flat or not its ugly and unfinished, if they keep like this Cubase 12 will be my last edition. Only change I like is death of Mac-like menu bar. Such lame and annoying idea. What is going on UI side? Nobody want pay designers and UX people anymore or?.
Well... i don't know :)
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"Upgrade"...yeah. Not.
The new look is SHIT. Why get used to shit?